1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Heads up to listeners. This episode contains graphic descriptions of violence. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Please take care while listening. In the summer of twenty twenty, 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: that first COVID summer, a few months after Teleina went missing, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: before anyone had been arrested, a licensed realtor in Mina, 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: Arkansas gets a phone call. The person on the other 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: end of the line is a woman eager to buy 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: some land in the area, but not just any land, 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: a specific parcel. Here's how she later described that call, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: as read by a voice actor. 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: When I answered the phone, she said there was a 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: piece of property she wanted to buy. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: The realtor looks up the property on her computer. It's 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: a four acre plot of undeveloped forest in Arkansas. 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: She asks the. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: Woman if she wanted to be shown the property, they 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: could do a tour. 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: And she said no, she had already looked at it, 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: she'd walked every step of it, and she just loved it. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: Weird but okay. Then the woman says she's planning to 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: live there, but the realtor can see from the plot's 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: description that that might be difficult. 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: And I said, you do understand. There's no utilities, there's 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: no water, no electric nothing there. 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: The woman is undeterred, and she said. 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to live there and I'm going to 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: buy this piece of property, and I want to buy 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: it today. 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: A sale is a sale. So the realtor pulls up 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: some forms and asks for the woman's information. 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: She said her name was Deb Bomily or something like that. 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: Her first name was Corey, but she said she didn't 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: use that name. She used the name of Deb. 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Even though it's getting late in the day. The realtor 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: prepares a contract for the sale of the property and 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Corey signs it just after midnight, but the contract is 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: rejected by the seller because of financing issues. The realtor 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: updates Corey. 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: I talked to her several times and we text back 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: and forth because it was rejected, and she said she 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: still wanted to buy it, and I asked her how 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: she wanted to do that, and she said she was 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: going to sell some stuff and just come pay cash 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: for it. 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: The realtor follows up to check on the progress of 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Corey's cash flow. 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: I called her and I never got a reply, so 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: that was the end. I just filed everything away. 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: The property remains unsold. Seven months later, police will descend 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: on this unassuming plot of land off a dead end 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: logging road called Woody Lane from iHeart Podcasts. I'm Melissa Jell. 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: This is what happened to Telena's our. 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: We could solve what happened, We could fix it. Maybe 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: the first thing that happened, she gets bad migraines. 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: By then, we all had a suspicion that something bad 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: had happened. 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: We're armchair investigators over here, so we just didn't know 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 5: something like that could have happened to Tolena. 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 6: He was like, I've been talking to Corey trying to 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 6: get her to tell me what happened. 60 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 7: So what happened? 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: In a nutshell? And then Sherry told me the exact 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: story of what had happened. 63 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: If you suspected something like that happened, who would be 64 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: the people you would suspect the most. 65 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 8: All of a sudden move, already thought, no explanation, No, 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 8: this is what happened. 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: I don't know she was willing to forgive him for 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: whatever it happened, or maybe he had paid her back. 69 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 8: Oh my god, this just certainly can't possibly be what happened. 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: And I come back and crying. 71 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: And everysing what happened, Episode eight Horizon. I want to 72 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: take you back to this moment when Telena's body is found. 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: It's the dead of winter in a forest in Arkansas, 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and a deputy is standing over a white box freezer. 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: He opens the lid to find visible human remains, but 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: standing just a few paces behind him is a woman 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: watching all this unfold. She's the woman who found the 78 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: freezer and called the police. She's also the woman who 79 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: seven months earlier, saw a suspicious truck and trailer drive 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: down Woody Lane and Park. At that time, she wrote 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: down the license plate number of the truck on a 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: small piece of paper. Even though it's been seven months, 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: she still has it. The woman hands over the paper 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: to investigators. Police run the plates and they matched Tolena's truck, 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: the two thousand and seven Dodge Ram that Corey later 86 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: sold for scrap metal. This small piece of paper is 87 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: the evidence the detective Joel Weber has been waiting for. 88 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 9: With this new information, investigators began looking again at the 89 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 9: data retreat from Corey Bamiley's cellular phones on previous search warrants. 90 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: They discover evidence from Corey's phone that she had been 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: in the area of Arkansas, where Teleina's body was found 92 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: multiple times in June and July. And they also find 93 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: out that the very day that Teleina's truck was spotted 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: parked on Woody Lane, Corey tried to buy that exact property. 95 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 9: Investigators found that corey bamily had been attempting to purchase 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 9: the very plot of land where the body was found 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 9: from a realtor in Mina, just hours after she was 98 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 9: seen there. The realtor advised Corey was adamant about purchasing 99 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 9: the land. Corey refused to meet the realtor to tour 100 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 9: the land, but stated she had already walked on every 101 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 9: foot of the property and demanded that she be able 102 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 9: to purchase it. 103 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: Now able to connect Corey directly to Tellina's body, Wagner 104 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: detectives jump into action. They apply for an arrest warrant 105 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: for murder. Corey is currently living in Wisconsin with her mom, Janet, 106 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: so the Wagner cops coordinate with the Dane County Sheriff's 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: office in Wisconsin to track her down. On January twenty first, 108 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, a week after Tellina's body is discovered, 109 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a few squad cars are dispatched to Janet's home with 110 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: no immediate sign of Corey. Police follow her mom as 111 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: she goes about her day. We've recreated what happened based 112 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: on police reports. 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 10: Subjects seen departing the Meadow Road address on two separate occasions. 114 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: Sometime in the afternoon, Corey's mom leaves her house once 115 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: more and drives her Chevy Equinox to a mechanic. 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 10: Subject parked in the parking lot for a number of 117 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 10: minutes before a second subject was observed walking towards the 118 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 10: Equinox and getting into the front passenger side seat. 119 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: Corey gets in the car with her mom behind the wheel. 120 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 10: The decision was made to attempt a traffic stop in 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 10: the appropriate location and take Bamilei into custody on the 122 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 10: afforementioned warrant. 123 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: But arresting Corey isn't going to be so easy. 124 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 10: At approximately two forty two PM, I pulled behind the 125 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 10: vehicle and activated my squad's emergency red and blue lights 126 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 10: in an attempt to stop the vehicle. However, it did 127 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 10: not stop. 128 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what the conversation was in the car 129 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: between Corey and her mom, if she explained what was 130 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: happening or pretended to be clueless or if they honestly 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: didn't see the police car behind them, But they don't 132 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: pull over. Corey's mom keeps driving, so a deputy puts 133 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: on his siren. 134 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 10: And again the vehicle did not pull over. 135 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: One of the detectives in another squad car speeds up 136 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: and cuts in front of them. 137 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 10: He did begin to break slightly, and it appeared as 138 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 10: though the operator then saw my squad behind her, and 139 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 10: she immediately pulled to the right shoulder of the road 140 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 10: and stopped. 141 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: Gun drawn, the deputy approaches Corey's side of the car 142 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and tells her to step out of the vehicle. 143 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 10: Bombily asked what am I under arrest for? And my 144 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 10: response was murder charges out of Oklahoma. 145 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Corey also wants to know had they found her missing 146 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: roommate's body. The next day, Wagner County District Attorney Jack 147 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Thorpe updates the public on Corey's arrest. 148 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 10: I charged her. 149 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 11: With first degree murder of Tolina Galloway, and we allege 150 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 11: that those crimes did occur here in Wagner County, Oklahoma. 151 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 12: Corey Bomily is also charged with desecration of a corpse. 152 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: She is presumed innocent. 153 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 11: Of both of those charges, and that presumption will remain 154 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 11: throughout the duration of this investigation and prosecution up to 155 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 11: and if she is proven guilty by proof beyond a 156 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 11: reasonable doubt. 157 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 12: It is very important for me to note to you 158 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 12: this that this is still a very active investigation and 159 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 12: it will remain so for some time after today. If 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 12: you do have any information, or you may know of 161 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 12: someone that has some relation or knows something about this case, 162 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 12: please have that person contact the Wagner County Sheriff's Office. 163 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: I would agree that I have never had a case 164 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: involving these kinds of details. 165 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: After her arrest for murder, Corey retains a lawyer, Janet Hudson, 166 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: who defends her client in an interview with KATUL, a 167 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: television station out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. 168 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: I think she's shocked. I think she's concerned. Anybody who's 169 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: been charged with such a serious assas should be shocked 170 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: and should be concerned. 171 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Corey's lawyer adds that she's worried about her client getting 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: a fair trial. 173 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 8: I realize there are going to be those that see 174 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 8: this as sensational and frightening and have opinions, and I 175 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 8: have to fight against that. 176 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: Soon afterwards, Corey is extradited from Wisconsin to Wagner. A 177 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: short video taken by a local reporter shows her in 178 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: handcuffs being escorted by police into the station. She's walking 179 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: with her head down, wearing jeans and a flannel shirt. Corey, 180 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: what do you have to say about Telena's family, Corey says, nothing. 181 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't even look back. More than four years later, as 182 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: I write this episode in June twenty twenty five, Corey 183 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: is still awaiting trial on these charges. 184 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 13: One day, I was driving on the freeway, riding in 185 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 13: the freeway with my husband, and we passed a trailer 186 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 13: that had a freezer on it. 187 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: The details of Teleina's death, they'd be difficult for anyone 188 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: to stomach. Here's Nicole, Talina's friend in Tennessee, who still 189 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: fills the trauma long after receiving the news. 190 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: And again, I just had a complete meltdown. I had 191 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: to get him to pull over because I couldn't be 192 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 3: next to that freezer on that trainer. 193 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: Talina's friends have had a lot of time to ruminate 194 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: on the events that occurred in the beginning of the pandemic. 195 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 5: Here's Greg to you know, basically, murdered her and chop 196 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: her up and put her somewhere where nobody would ever 197 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 5: find or it just I Caro, in the world can 198 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 5: somebody even contemplate doing so? How evil can one person 199 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 5: really be? Tolena was a good lady and did not 200 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 5: deserve what happened to her. For me to be involved 201 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 5: in this whole situation just blows my mind. And like 202 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 5: I said, I live a really boring life here in Oklahoma, 203 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 5: and me and my wife we watch tram stories, but 204 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 5: for us to live you know, living Wood, it's totally different, 205 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 5: and it makes us not want to trust anybody. It 206 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: makes us look at people a little bit differently now 207 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 5: and be a little bit more untrusting about what they're 208 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 5: saying or what they're telling us. And I don't want 209 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: to be that type of person because I feel like 210 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: I'm a person of faith and I feel like I 211 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 5: want to get everybody the opportunity to prove me wrong, 212 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 5: you know, show me that they're bad. But you know, 213 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 5: through this Coury situation, I I look at people a 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 5: lot differently now. 215 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: For Tolena's Oklahoma friends in particular, it's hard to wrap 216 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: their heads around what Corey's been accused of Within months 217 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: of Corey settling into Wagner, she had woven herself into 218 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: their worlds, eating dinner in their homes and sharing beers 219 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: around backyard fires. Was she manipulating them the whole time? 220 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Was she waiting for just the right opportunity to enrich 221 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: herself or to pull off some long held devious fantasy. 222 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: Neighbors are left re examining every moment with her, wondering 223 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: if she exploited their goodwill. For Greg, it's the mattress 224 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: frame he discarded for Corey that bothers him the most. 225 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: Did his actions help Corey get away with murder for 226 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: a while? At least? 227 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: I look back on that and I'm like, oh, I 228 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 5: just still at that point didn't even have a clue 229 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: of what was transpiring, what had happened, And she was 230 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 5: that comfortable around us and doing the things that she 231 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: was doing under our noses. You know what, what else 232 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 5: is she capable of? Or what has she done in 233 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 5: the past. 234 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 6: No one ever really prepares you for her, small men. 235 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 7: There's no amounts of training that can't prepare you for 236 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 7: how to feel or what to. 237 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Expect for Aris. She can't stop thinking about this moment 238 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: a week after Telena went missing, when she brought over 239 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: sausage that Telena had paid for, but Corey wouldn't take it. 240 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 8: She wasn't me and said, you guys should go ahead 241 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 8: and take it. Our creator is stuffed full of meat. 242 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: I didn't find out about how she was found until obviously. 243 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: Months months, months, months after that interaction. 244 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 8: But what I read the details is how her remains 245 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 8: were found. 246 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: I collapsed. 247 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: Well, I connected those who coming back conversation that information together. 248 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: How would you say that? 249 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: Certain stories from Corey's past also take on new meaning, 250 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: like the rumor she once worked at a coroner's office, 251 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: or how she told people she cut up her horse. 252 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: Here's Rachel, Telena's friend and fellow animal lover. 253 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 14: She had this. 254 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: Horse dye and apparently it had this horse for yours. 255 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: Instead of calling somebody to come pick this animal up 256 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: and or even finding somebody with a back hoe that 257 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: could help her bury it, she cut it up like 258 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: it was literally just a piece of meat. 259 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 5: What who even knows how to do some work like that? 260 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Whoever did cut up Telena's body appeared to have had practice. 261 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: The Arkansas Medical Examiner who performed Telena's autopsy, setting court 262 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: documents that the dismemberment appeared to be almost expertly done. 263 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: The incision point points were so clean, so precise, that 264 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: there was only one cut mark on a bone, no 265 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: saw or chop marks at all. The medical examiner added 266 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: that the way it was done required some knowledge of 267 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: how joints are structured so that they could be cut 268 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: around and the limbs removed. As far as the cause 269 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: of Telena's death, the medical examiner found that she died 270 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: from blunt force trauma to the skull. Because of the 271 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: lack of injuries on the rest of her body, he 272 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: believed she was killed before she had a chance to 273 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: defend herself. 274 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: What do I think happened? Like my theory. 275 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: In the years since Corey's arrest, Jess our internet sleuth 276 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, has had plenty of time to refine her 277 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: theory of what exactly happened to telena'sar I asked her 278 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: to lay it out from start to finish her best guess, 279 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: based on the research she's done and the people she's 280 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: talked to. 281 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: I think Telina found out that Corey had either opened 282 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: a credit card in her name or ad used one 283 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: without her permission, and then once the pandemic hit, Teleina 284 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: was no longer traveling for work and she was home 285 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 3: looking at the bills, and that's when she found it, 286 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: and I think she confronted Corey and told her she 287 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: had to leave. But I think Corey also played to 288 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: Telina's feelings and was like, I have nowhere to go, 289 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: give me some time. After speaking to her ex husbands, 290 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: I learned that Corey was all about waiting on end 291 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: times of sorts, and I think she believed that that 292 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: was coming. When COVID hit, she thought this is it 293 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 3: and that's when everything started to spiral. 294 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 9: The mayor today calling the spread unpredictable and. 295 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 10: When get indicated, they die. 296 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: The psycho repeat, and that's when Corey started planning her murder. 297 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: I think she either poisoned her over time to make 298 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: her week, or slip something into her food or drink 299 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: that night's make her extra sleepy. 300 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 5: She was going to lay down. 301 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 8: For a while and said that she would chat with 302 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 8: her later. 303 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: And once Teleina was completely out, Corey probably hit her 304 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: in the back of the head. I think she started 305 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: cutting her up in the bathtub in the master bedroom 306 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: because it was big, and then I think after that 307 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: she moved her into the garage and finished there because 308 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: that's where the freezer was and it was closest. 309 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 4: When we got to the kitchen, we noticed the freezer 310 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: was not there. 311 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: I think she then wracked up Telina in garbage bags 312 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: and put her in the freezer and waited. Eventually she 313 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: brought the freezer in the white trailer over to Billie's 314 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: and plugged it in to keep the body frozen. 315 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 5: Saw an orange extension cord going into the back of 316 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 5: this trailer. That's weird. 317 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: And then when she went to the interview with Weber, 318 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: he asked her about the trailer and she freaked out, 319 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: and that's why she sold it and rented the U haul. 320 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 9: They said there was some sort of travel trailer in 321 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 9: the driveway, a white cargo trailer. 322 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's old. 323 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: She took the truck, hitched up the rented trailer with 324 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 3: the freezer, and drove to Arkansas to the remote property 325 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: she'd been looking at buying. 326 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: And she said, well, I want to buy it today. 327 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: After she returned, she scrapped the truck and tried to 328 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: tie up loose sentence, but the truck was in too 329 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: good of shape to actually scrap so it raised some alarms. 330 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: As for the motive, Corey had nothing. She had no job, 331 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: no money, no car. The car she was even driving, 332 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: the G six, belonged to Telina, So. 333 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 9: Doing things as an executor before we know she's dead 334 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 9: is presumptuous. 335 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: And she realized she'd been caught and she started scrambling, 336 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: and there's really nothing else. 337 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: Jess has had little doubt about Corey's guilt pretty much 338 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: from the beginning, but today she is still on shore. 339 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: If Corey acted alone and if Marty was involved in 340 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: any way. She even shared these concerns with the district attorney. 341 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: I get the number for Jack Thorpe, and I put 342 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: Rosie on three way on conference, and I said, will 343 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: you just mute yourself and just be there, like emotionally, 344 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: just just so I know somebody else is there. And 345 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: I can remember what said later on like I'm really upset, 346 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: And I said, I think Marty helped. I literally told him, 347 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: I'm positive in my mind that he had something to 348 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: do with all of this. 349 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: Jess mentioned that she had been communicating with Marty regularly 350 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: throughout this whole time. She had a lot of material 351 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: that could potentially be useful. 352 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: I shared an album with him on Facebook, I think 353 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 3: the same one that I shared with you, because he 354 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: wanted all of our screenshots, but two and two together. 355 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Still, after their call, Jess was left with the distinct 356 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: feeling that the DA disapproved of how much she inserted 357 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: herself into the case. 358 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 3: He was kind of scolding me. I mean, he made 359 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 3: me feel I'm sure he's really good at his job. 360 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's not saying his bedside manner. Maybe 361 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: isn't that cool. He made me feel like I was 362 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: responsible for something that I'm not the police. 363 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 6: I'm not. 364 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 3: I'm some girl just on the internet and I didn't know. 365 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I had until afterwards. 366 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: Since Corey's arrest for Telena's murder, she's also been charged 367 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: with attempted murder in Wisconsin, accused of trying to fatally 368 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: poison her former neighbors, Sherry and Mike Siegler using homemade ricin. 369 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 7: We came home to stuff kitty litter or broken sheet 370 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 7: rock material scattered throughout our house, especially on my side 371 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 7: of the bed and in my underwear drawer. This was 372 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 7: very personal and I felt particularly scared. 373 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: It's unclear why but prosecutors decided Corey should face charges 374 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin first before standing trial for Telena's murder. The 375 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: rice In trial has been delayed for years, but finally 376 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: it's scheduled to take place in June twenty twenty five, 377 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: just a week after this episode airs. I'll be attending 378 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: and I'll update you all from Wisconsin. Still there's no 379 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: trial date set for the murder of Tilena. Her loved 380 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: ones are waiting, clinging to the hope that a murder 381 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: trial will bring long overdue answers about what really happened 382 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: in the confusing, chaotic early days of the pandemic. There's 383 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: no question that COVID hindered the efforts of the official investigation, 384 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: made it harder to see people behind their masks, isolation, fear, distraction. 385 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: These were unprecedented challenges in a world gone mad for 386 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: a while, and maybe that's exactly what the perpetrator was 387 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: hoping for. Talina's family worries that the more time passes, 388 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: the harder it may get to prosecute the case, that memories, 389 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: evidence could be lost to the winds of time. 390 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 8: There's the typical process of this, there's the murder, the investigation, hopefully. 391 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 8: You know, somebody is a family you know and arrested, 392 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 8: you know, and the family, you know, they bury their 393 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 8: loved one and then two three years down the road 394 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 8: there's a trial as typical. Correct, That is not our case. 395 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: Over many conversations, Talina's sister, Cheryl told me that her 396 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: family was struggling with the fact that Talina's body wasn't 397 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: yet cremated according to her wishes, They were unable to 398 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: give her a final resting place. 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 8: We do not blame authorities. What happened was they determine 400 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 8: that they needed her body. This case is more circumstantial 401 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 8: than evidence wise because of the time frame she went missing. 402 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 8: The body wasn't found for several months, badly decomposed in 403 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 8: a freezer, and so they said we need to keep 404 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 8: the body. We haven't. It's beyond the initial trauma. It 405 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 8: She just said, when I woke up today, she is 406 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 8: in pieces in a freezer. In my moon't and we 407 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 8: woke up today, she's in pieces in a freezer. When 408 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 8: we woke up yesterday, she was a piece of in 409 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 8: a freezer, And when we wake up tomorrow she will 410 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 8: be in pieces in a freezer. And that's our reality. 411 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: We accept that. 412 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 8: It doesn't mean it's easy. In fact, it's gotten harder. 413 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 8: Our biggest source of pain in a lot of ways 414 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 8: is how much pain my mom is seen. Her horrific 415 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 8: grief that my fore mom, she's in worse pain for 416 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 8: her entire exists. Is the worst pain anyone could ever feel. 417 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 8: And we can't do anything to consult her. And we 418 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 8: know that. 419 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: For many years after Telena's murder, her family did not 420 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: speak openly about what happened. 421 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 8: I had worked at my place of work for eighteen years. 422 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 8: I know many people, I work with them four years, 423 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 8: and until about a year ago, a year ago, for 424 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: the very first time I uttered the words to someone 425 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 8: outside the family, my sister was murdered. It took me 426 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 8: that well to be able to save those words to 427 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 8: someone else. She can't tell, she said, you know, moham, 428 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 8: I can't. I've never even talked. 429 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: About this. 430 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 8: Until she said a couple of months ago, her good friend, 431 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 8: she said, she was telling me about some mystery things 432 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 8: she'd seen on TV, a dateline type of thing. You know, 433 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 8: as she said, my aunt was murdered, the first time 434 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 8: she had uttered those words. And all of this time, 435 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 8: my oldest daughter Serisia's never ever said anything outside the family. 436 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 8: Teacher and my youngest daughter, Telsea her too. I know 437 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 8: my mom outside of the coach. He has a small 438 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 8: church group, so of course you know the news got there. 439 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 8: Outside of that, no, nobody. We haven't been able to 440 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 8: even say it outside of our own in our own 441 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 8: world that is so raw and painful because of where 442 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 8: we're trapped. 443 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: Agreeing to do this podcast has meant that Cheryl has 444 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: been able to talk more openly about Telena to me, 445 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: to the world, but also to her family, and those 446 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: long overdue conversations seem like the next step in a 447 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: healing process. 448 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 8: We haven't lost side. We have the horizon. We are 449 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 8: still looking at the horizon. We know these days will ahead, 450 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 8: these times will come. We will be able to gather, 451 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 8: lay flowers and remember my mom. Her biggest fear that 452 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 8: she expresses is she says, I don't want her to 453 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 8: be forgotten. And I know she says that because there 454 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 8: is not a gathering place of remembrance yet for her, 455 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 8: and for some reason in her she fears her daughter 456 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 8: will just be forgotten. 457 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: I'm just really grateful that you decided to do this 458 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: for to Lena not for me, but for her. Everybody's 459 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: going to know, hopefully, and I think they need to. 460 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 14: When you tell people about this whole thing, like how 461 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 14: do you explain it to people? 462 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: Like what you were involved in? Usually tell people I 463 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: helped solve a murder, because I do feel like the 464 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: effort that I put forth, along with you know, Nicole 465 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: and all the people I talked to, did help catch Corey. 466 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: Granted I didn't arrest her or build a case that 467 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: I could take to court. I don't take any credit 468 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: for that, and anybody with half a brain knows that 469 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: a civilian can do that. But I do said I 470 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: contributed to it because I truly feel like I did. 471 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Jess is proud of the work she and the online 472 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: sleuths did to bring to Lena's case to a close. 473 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: The true extent of how much they helped the investigation 474 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: and any ways they may have unintentionally hindered it will 475 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: likely come to light when Corey finally goes to trial 476 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Jess will be right in the middle of 477 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: that too. It's still early days, but the defense has 478 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: indicated it plans to subpoena Jess as a witness. In 479 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: a court document, lawyer wrote that Jess would be expected 480 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: to testify about documents she provided to the police and 481 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: the DA and conversation she had with Nicole Marty, Corey's 482 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: ex Alec Adams, and other Wagner folk like Airis and Greg. 483 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Jess would also be asked to testify about quote any 484 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: credentials she possesses regarding a homicide investigation. 485 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: I do, at this point feel like I'm almost a 486 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: Corey expert. I mean, when you stalk somebody essentially for 487 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 3: almost five years, you know them. I feel like I 488 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 3: know who she is. My obsession might be a problem. 489 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: This might be a problem, This might be an issue. 490 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: A true crime obsession, coupled with the isolation of early 491 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: COVID is what got Jess and the online sleuths started 492 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: down this path. But as time passed, Rosie, Brittany and 493 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: the others moved on their real lives, taking over the 494 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: virtual ones they had created. 495 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 6: I found out that I was actually pregnant, so I 496 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 6: remember I messaged them. I was like, hey, guys, I 497 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 6: don't know how much help I'm gonna be. I'm gonna 498 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 6: have to take a step back a little bit. 499 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: But I still follow all the. 500 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 6: Updates and stuff all the time, and I'll message her 501 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 6: and ask her about stuff. 502 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 13: Slowly, as time has gone on, and this has sort 503 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 13: of become less of a forefront in our lives. You know, 504 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 13: we went from talking hours a day with each other 505 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 13: to less and less and less. 506 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: For Jess this case, this calling only became more central 507 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: to her identity. The obsession grew shifted focus. These days, 508 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: the narrative just tells herself about what happened to Tolenazar. 509 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: Is less of a who done it and more of 510 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: an epic tale of good versus evil? 511 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 14: And what did you learn about yourself during this process? 512 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 14: This five year process, I've. 513 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: Learned a lot about myself, some of it not so endearing. 514 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: Keep thinking about how I lied, and these people are 515 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: going to think my bad person. I think the biggest 516 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: thing I learned is that my sense of right and 517 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: wrong is very black and white. I don't have much 518 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: of a gray area anymore. I'm even lumping myself in 519 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: with the bad guys for being a liar. 520 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: In this version of Jess's story, She's uneasy about some 521 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: of the things she did in her search for the truth, 522 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: but ultimately the ends justified the means. She took on 523 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: a villain and won. 524 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: Any regrets you have about getting involved, no, I think 525 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: the only thing I would have done differently is I 526 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: would have gone straight to Oklahoma. I think I would 527 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: have just driven there and help look for and confront 528 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: Corey literally had on I feel like, and I'm not 529 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: saying I could. I just a feeling that I had 530 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: is that I could have like provoked her enough to 531 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 3: get angry and say she did it. I would have 532 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: sat outside her house harassing her. Literally just sat there 533 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: and stared at her house until she came out and 534 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 3: blew up, and I could have got her in trouble 535 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: for something. That's my only regret is that I didn't 536 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: travel there. I don't regret this at all. I don't 537 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: think I ever will. 538 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Teleina's murder trial is still very far off. First, Corey 539 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: must stand trial for attempted murder in Wisconsin, and Jess 540 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: will be there. Of course, she is now friends with 541 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: Sherry Ziegler and will be staying at her house, the 542 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: house where Risin was found while she attends Corey's trial. 543 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: Jess is eagerly anticipating the moment when she finally gets 544 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: to see Corey in person. In handcuffs, being held to account. 545 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: It would just be interesting to see how she acted 546 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: in the courtroom, and I could see her testify if 547 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: she will. I read a couple books on it, eating 548 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: body language, and I'm by no means an expert. I 549 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: read some books, but I feel like I could pick 550 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: up something on her. I just want to. I'd have 551 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 3: to know. I feel like it's a neat. It's not 552 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: even a want, It's like I need it. You're looking 553 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: at me like I might be crazy. 554 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: Jess and Corey their fates forever intertwined. Jess is convinced 555 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: that Corey's got more to hide, that beyond Sherry Ziegler 556 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: and Tealina Tzar, there might be other victims in other states, 557 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: other bodies in remote forests. Who's going to dig up 558 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: that history if not her. 559 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 3: I think there's so much more to Corey and so 560 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: many more crimes. It feels like this isn't going to 561 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 3: be over for years. I really love to just when 562 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: she's convicted, sit down and be like, just tell me, 563 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 3: just tell me what else did you do so we 564 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: can all stop wondering. Because I don't think this is 565 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 3: ever going to be over for me. I know Corey's 566 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: done more just from knowing who she is. I know 567 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 3: she's done more. 568 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 14: So you're not going to put it down. 569 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: I don't think I can. I don't know if I 570 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 3: want to. It's that terrible. 571 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: A few weeks before the Wisconsin trial was scheduled to begin, 572 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: I got a series of text messages from Cheryl, Telena's sister. 573 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: After years of waiting, Tealina's body had been cremated and 574 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: her ashes sent back to her family in a box. 575 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Cheryl purchased a special urn, white with purple butterflies, just 576 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: to Lena's style, and sent it to her mother. Talina's 577 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: mother placed the ashes into the urn by herself alone 578 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: in her apartment. She said it was her role to 579 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: lay Teleina to rest. Cheryl sent me a photo, and 580 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: I have to admit when I received this image, I 581 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: was hit with an overwhelming sense of relief. I have 582 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: felt for Teleina's family, particularly Telena's mother, and how difficult 583 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: it was not to have a place of memorial for her. 584 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm glad that they at least got that, even as 585 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: they await answers on what happened to Teleina during her 586 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: final days. You can't see this photo, but I want 587 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: to describe it to you. At the top of a 588 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: bookshelf Toleina's urn sits between two framed photographs. On the right, 589 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: a picture of Teleina's brother as an infant, on the left, 590 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: a photo of Telena and Cheryl as toddlers, dressed in 591 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: matching white sweat and matching banks, smiling at the camera, 592 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: looking very much like twins. On this top shelf, the 593 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: family is together. Thank you for listening to What Happened 594 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: to Tealinazar. Although this is our last full episode, we 595 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: will be releasing bonus episodes from the Wisconsin trial and beyond, 596 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: so make sure you're subscribed. 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