WEBVTT - Healing Requires Practice with Devi Brown 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Deeply Well. This show is a soft place

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<v Speaker 1>to land on your journey, a space where we explore

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<v Speaker 1>what it truly means to live well from the inside out,

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<v Speaker 1>not perfectly, but honestly. This is deeply Well. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Deeply Well. I'm Debbie Brown. If you haven't yet,

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it now so Apple, Spotify, even YouTube. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>today we are diving in to practice. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about something that I think has become deeply misunderstood

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<v Speaker 1>within the wellness industry and the overall culture of wellness.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the idea of having a practice. We have

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<v Speaker 1>confused having a practice with performance perfection and aesthetics, but

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<v Speaker 1>real practice is not about creating an ideal version of

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<v Speaker 1>yourself or an aspirational version of yourself. It's about building

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with yourself that you can return to consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of life is about building relationship. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's one of the areas that even as we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to deepen conversations about community and not self isolating

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<v Speaker 1>and really the loneliness epidemic, we have to understand is

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship can be found in any end, absolutely everything

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<v Speaker 1>whatever involves your participation, you are in relationship with, so

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<v Speaker 1>that can be a person, that can be a place,

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<v Speaker 1>that can be a thing, that can be a limiting

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<v Speaker 1>thought and idea, and that can absolutely be the system

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<v Speaker 1>of self care practices that you employ every day. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that they start to feel hard or

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<v Speaker 1>honestly even annoying as you're getting started is because you're

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning stages of what it takes to be

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<v Speaker 1>in relationship. There is a certain amount of ego death

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<v Speaker 1>that happens. There is a unmasking, there is a letting

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<v Speaker 1>down of walls and armor. There is an opening to

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<v Speaker 1>the unknown, and there is a pushing and stretching of

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<v Speaker 1>your capacity and the feelings that you have access to

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<v Speaker 1>that begins to happen when you lock in to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it's something that is nourishing to you each

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<v Speaker 1>and every day. I talk about this a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>my book Living in Wisdom. What are your barriers to healing?

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<v Speaker 1>And most people's barriers to healing is the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>connect to a practice that is supportive for who you

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<v Speaker 1>are and where you're going and what healing work you

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<v Speaker 1>need to do mind, body, soul or spirit, because somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>along the lines, we've lost the meeting and it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to learn what it means so that it can actually

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<v Speaker 1>serve us. Accordingly, when we make our daily practice another area.

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<v Speaker 2>Of our lives that we let our.

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<v Speaker 1>Egos relax in, it can create so much pressure inside

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<v Speaker 1>of us, real irritation, sometimes even anger, instead of what

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<v Speaker 1>it's there to actually do, which is help us regulate

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<v Speaker 1>and support our lives. So I want to gently disrupt

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<v Speaker 1>that today, real practice is not performance. It does not

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<v Speaker 1>matter who is there, who validates you, who sees you,

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<v Speaker 1>or who is inspired by you. That real practice is relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be quite honest, if you feel called out

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<v Speaker 1>right now, just know this is part of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Even this calling out and perfecting and refining it is

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<v Speaker 1>a dance we do with ourselves and our practice for months,

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<v Speaker 1>for years, for decades, And the older I get, the

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<v Speaker 1>more I've realize that the work is certainly not about

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<v Speaker 1>building a perfect ritual. The work is about learning how

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<v Speaker 1>to stay connected to yourself while living your actual life

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<v Speaker 1>and integrating all of the rituals that you amass and

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<v Speaker 1>your ways of doing them to positively benefit you. And

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<v Speaker 1>really keep you in alignment. Recently, I did this event

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<v Speaker 1>with a few other authors and we have this big

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<v Speaker 1>audience in front of us big stage. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a panel and I shared that I believe that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>should attempt to meditate for twenty minutes a day. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just the leading background understanding of meditation. Twenty minutes is

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<v Speaker 1>a great beginning that you really get to see benefit from.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that is counterintuitive to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the hack style infographics you may see online that say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>just two minutes, that's enough. If you can do just

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes, that's enough. Totally get that to each his own.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a meditation teacher and someone that studies the

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<v Speaker 1>sciences of meditation in the brain, it just isn't true.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything is good. But if you want to build a

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<v Speaker 1>practice and you want to work to really rewire yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and reshape yourself, pushing yourself to start at twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>is where the journey begins. Now, part of the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>of being able to eventually enjoy and find that twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes useful is all of the kind of agony that

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<v Speaker 1>moves through you as you learn how to hold that

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<v Speaker 1>space of twenty minutes. So you're gonna feel restless, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna feel irritated, you might feel sad, you might feel hysterical.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to feel that's the thing you're going to feel.

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<v Speaker 1>And everything that was simmering under the surface is going

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<v Speaker 1>to come up to be reviewed, to be met, to

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<v Speaker 1>be released, and then that's when it gets quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is part of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when we go too quickly to rely on

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<v Speaker 1>the one minute or the five minute because we think

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<v Speaker 1>that's more approachable, or we'll feel accomplished or proud from

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<v Speaker 1>having got to that point, we're actually robbing ourselves of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire process and the benefit that meditation brings. So

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<v Speaker 1>while I was on that stage and I was having

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<v Speaker 1>that experience, I explained that science has shown us that

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<v Speaker 1>those measurable benefits from consistent meditation practice, especially around rewiring

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<v Speaker 1>the brain and supporting mental, emotional, and physical healing, could

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<v Speaker 1>be profound. Another person on the panel responded by saying

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<v Speaker 1>to me with the audience, oh, well, that's too hard,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's too much to ask of people. And I

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<v Speaker 1>found that she kept instead of answering the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>were being asked of her, she kept reframing them and

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<v Speaker 1>throwing them back at me, looking for me to tell

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<v Speaker 1>people this was how I received it, Looking for me

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<v Speaker 1>to tell people that they don't really have to do

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<v Speaker 1>any of this, they just need to let go. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that I'm a trauma informed educator who's been

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<v Speaker 1>meditating for fifteen years and teaching for a decade. I

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<v Speaker 1>have worked with people who have had profoundly traumatizing experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>I have my own background of trauma and ADHD, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I take this work so deeply, deeply serious because

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<v Speaker 1>I remember all the times that I couldn't reach it,

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<v Speaker 1>that I was learning how to move through it and

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<v Speaker 1>then feeling the benefits and experiencing the benefits in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of my teaching style is wrapped up

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<v Speaker 1>up to do just that. From the standpoint of you're

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<v Speaker 1>not escaping, you're not looking for perfect peace, you are

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<v Speaker 1>finding ways to rise in the challenges of your life

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<v Speaker 1>and feel more connected to yourself and feel an alleviation

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<v Speaker 1>of internal suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>I will never tell you one or two minutes. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people need to know much as I did, that

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<v Speaker 1>we are capable of rising to this, and part of

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<v Speaker 1>the journey, and I can definitely say this if you

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<v Speaker 1>have neurodivergence, it is so hard someone with ADHD, like

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<v Speaker 1>meditating was so hard. And then when I got into

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<v Speaker 1>the breakthrough point of it, by that consistency I spoke to,

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<v Speaker 1>not only did it become so easy, it becomes the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing I grab whenever I get a chance, and

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes deeply pleasurable. Benefit it has brought to my

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<v Speaker 1>life and my ability to be myself, and my ability

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<v Speaker 1>to quell some of the constant brain chatter and anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>that I experienced. It's been worth every second. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>worth every piece of friction. And you know, we tell

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<v Speaker 1>people you can do hard things quote unquote when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to every other example in our lives, but then

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to us, that's the first thing we

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<v Speaker 1>take off the table. And I want to reintroduce something

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<v Speaker 1>that doctor Mark Bracket said on an episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>show earlier this year, was, you know, it's not difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>It's effortful. It's effortful. And part of the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it feels so overwhelmingly difficult is because of the

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of shame that can rise up when we create

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<v Speaker 1>judgments about.

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<v Speaker 2>Ourselves as we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning to understand and open to what our unique practice

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<v Speaker 1>and process is. It is so easy to decide that

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<v Speaker 1>something is too difficult before we even give ourselves the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to grow through it. That relationship is everything. It

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<v Speaker 1>helps you transcend in such a multitude of ways. And

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<v Speaker 1>that mindset overall keeps so many people really disconnected from

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<v Speaker 1>who they truly are and what effect healing might.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually have for their lives, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Healing might actually be available to them. You miss that window.

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<v Speaker 1>So later during the book signing, it was wild. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a woman approach me as we were signing books

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<v Speaker 1>after we got off the stage, and she shared that

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<v Speaker 1>her husband works with children who have ADHD and that

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<v Speaker 1>there is no way that they can meditate, really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of extending to me a certain kind of punitive, passive,

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and dismissive adde like she was angry at me

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<v Speaker 1>for saying people could. It was a really surprising thing

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<v Speaker 1>to encounter. I gently explained to her that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I teach trauma informed meditation, I also am neurodivergent, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of my work is shaped by supporting people have

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<v Speaker 1>complex lived experiences, who have trauma, who have neurodivergents who

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<v Speaker 1>have different brains and bodies. As I said, I had

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<v Speaker 1>shared with her that I also have ADHD and that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I once believe that that kind of inner

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<v Speaker 1>freedom could never be accessible to me. But I've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to maintain a practice now for fifteen years, and

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<v Speaker 1>sure I can dip in and out. Sometimes sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>feels great. Sometimes I still get mad at it. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I began responding about what the process is, that

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<v Speaker 1>I was speaking to my thoughts or my experience, she

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<v Speaker 1>just completely turned away. She turned her body and her

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<v Speaker 1>back to me. She stopped listening, and she fixed her

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<v Speaker 1>eyes on the author that was next to me and

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<v Speaker 1>just looked to get their attention. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You do what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>I realize that you can't meet me because you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>met yourself. So someone that has no attachment to being

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<v Speaker 1>right and can easily maneuver out of a situation like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I just put my hands together and said, God bless.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone had shared with me later that actually, while I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the stage and talking, she was crying in

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<v Speaker 1>the audience. And you know, I came to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>this can really be a process that is filled with shame,

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<v Speaker 1>with our own stories, with our own frustrations. They are

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<v Speaker 1>our limitations and our barriers. And you know, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment with me, and I think neither was

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<v Speaker 1>the woman who shared the stage with me. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually a moment for there to be dialogue. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a moment for there to be projection. There was something

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<v Speaker 1>painful about hearing that or how you might regulate it

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<v Speaker 1>or heal it, that felt impossible, that felt inaccessible to them,

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<v Speaker 1>to their understanding, to the experience. And you know, over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, that is something that I have learned deeply

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<v Speaker 1>through teaching this work. And I love that because I

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those people too before I started. People's

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<v Speaker 1>resistance to self care is rarely about the practice itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually tied to something much.

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<v Speaker 2>Older, much deeper, and much.

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<v Speaker 1>More emotional than the actual habit or modality that they

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<v Speaker 1>claim to reject. I remember another example I have years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I was leading a retreat and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Were probably it was a big group.

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<v Speaker 1>There was probably like maybe one hundred people there, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we were doing processes and you know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>work every day, meditating, doing tai chi, doing yoga, doing

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<v Speaker 1>breath work, and she was very vocal, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>always standing up and presenting her knowledge. I believe she

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<v Speaker 1>had told me she was a therapist or a coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she was always kind of standing up in

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<v Speaker 1>group share and looking to lead really and looking to.

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<v Speaker 2>Give advice.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't really do at retreats, but that I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is where she felt most comfortable. And anytime

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<v Speaker 1>it came time to practice throughout the day, she would

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<v Speaker 1>gently completely leave the group and go beyond her phone

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<v Speaker 1>in the back or the side of the room. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we went and did this beautiful breathwork journey

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite teachers, and we were all in there.

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<v Speaker 1>We were in it for an hour and if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever do like holotropic breath work, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>like whoosh, it gets spicy, so many things go on.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the end of it, you know, all of

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<v Speaker 1>us were sitting there, we had beautiful you know, tears

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<v Speaker 1>in our eyes. You were either laughing or crying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you felt, you felt something. And she came from the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the room and I asked her, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how is your experience, how did you like breath work?

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<v Speaker 1>And her response was just, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know all about that. Yeah yeah, I do breath

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<v Speaker 1>work all the time, so I didn't need to do

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<v Speaker 1>it tonight. I do it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I read a book on breath work, and so that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the process.

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<v Speaker 1>And I encounter that a lot. I mean, even some

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<v Speaker 1>of your faves, y'all, like not all meditation teachers meditate

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, and that's what makes the difference though.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you know who is living their work, who

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<v Speaker 1>is embodied in their advice, who has integrity with their

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<v Speaker 1>own process and their own limitations. And so I always

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<v Speaker 1>urge people when you feel rejecting towards caring for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>take a second and think about why, because it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>an absurd feeling to have. When we think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's rooted in deep things, so we're not undervaluing what

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<v Speaker 1>leads us there. But there is a kind of funniness

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<v Speaker 1>to it when you realize that it's your body and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to take care of it. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just ways to kind of begin to approach these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>if they feel tender, if they hold charge. Hi, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Debbie Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>I am so excited to share that.

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<v Speaker 1>This July fifth through the tenth, I'll be guiding a

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<v Speaker 1>five day Living in Wisdom Retreat at the Omega Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>For Holistic Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, I released Living in Wisdom, a book that

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<v Speaker 1>is devoted to embodying your authentic self, embracing grief, and

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<v Speaker 1>developing self mastery. And this year we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be stepping into that work together. In practice, this retreat

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<v Speaker 1>is a potent container to devote real time to your

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<v Speaker 1>inner life. We're going to spend time in daily meditation. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you will learn how to do it, how to enjoy it,

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<v Speaker 1>and how to use it as a powerful tool in

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<v Speaker 1>your life. We'll have movement every day, breath work, community

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<v Speaker 1>sharing which can get so deep and expansive and deep reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to be having creative exploration and intentional

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<v Speaker 1>rest to not only strengthen your discipline, but also create

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<v Speaker 1>the space to envision what is next and align your

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<v Speaker 1>life accordingly. So, if you feel called to this work,

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<v Speaker 1>I would truly love to share this.

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<v Speaker 2>Space with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be so so special and the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>alone are just what brings.

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<v Speaker 2>Me to life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so beautiful, it's so nourishing, You can reserve your

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<v Speaker 1>spot through the Omega website. The link is in the

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<v Speaker 1>bio of this video. Really hope to see you there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what a practice.

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<v Speaker 2>Really actually is.

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<v Speaker 1>Practice feels very synonymous with the word discipline, and something

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<v Speaker 1>that I've opened my work up two years ago was

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not discipline. It is devotion. It's not achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>It supports your relationship with yourself, and it supports your

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<v Speaker 1>human experience. Is awareness, regulation, consistency, and habit. But the

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<v Speaker 1>point is not mastery overnight, because your practice evolves as

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<v Speaker 1>you evolve. And I say that in a really beautifully

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<v Speaker 1>exciting way watching one's practice evolve. And I know for

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<v Speaker 1>all the teachers that are listening, or any facilitators that

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<v Speaker 1>are listening, oh, I know, you might be smiling to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even grimacing, to be honest, because this part can

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<v Speaker 1>be like oough, it can be gnarly. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>gnarly when you learn what you really need and then

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<v Speaker 1>bring about the courage to give it to yourself. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about practice now, I think about it

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<v Speaker 1>much more like a devoted relationship that I'm honestly honored

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of. Than a routine. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like doing it. Sometimes you don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>being in relationship. Sometimes you know, you feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>falling short. Sometimes you have to get creative. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>have to invest a lot more thought, time and energy

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<v Speaker 1>into it. But your practice gives you what you put

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<v Speaker 1>into it. And you know, as we explore at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this episode, everything and everyone that we participate

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<v Speaker 1>with is a relationship we are relating to. They require listening,

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<v Speaker 1>it requires a little bit of adjustment, It requires compassion, compromise, attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and intention. And that's really what a practice is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not punishment, it's not rigidity. It's not proving how evolved

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<v Speaker 1>you are or proving how knowledgeable you are about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've picked up. A practice is simply the

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<v Speaker 1>collection of ways that you choose to support your inner life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can change all the time anytime. Matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it does change all the time, and that's the fun

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the mastery in it. There were seasons of

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<v Speaker 1>my life where my practice looked incredibly structured.

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<v Speaker 2>It had to. I needed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was falling, I was broken, I was flailing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I needed a practice that could really push me thrust

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<v Speaker 1>me into a new life, into a new way of

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<v Speaker 1>relating to my body and myself. And then there were

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<v Speaker 1>seasons where my practice was simply surviving gently doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Some seasons my practice has been really fun, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in active healing about anything in particular. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I get to really just explore, like, ooh, what is

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<v Speaker 1>my body?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? What does this body need? Sometimes your practice is just.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing, like a long meditation. Sometimes your practice is

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<v Speaker 1>taking one conscious breath before responding to someone that you

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<v Speaker 1>love or someone that you care about. That counts this

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<v Speaker 1>practice too, So it's not the time unless you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>to run away from the time spent. It's really about

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<v Speaker 1>what are the things that you are actively applying that

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<v Speaker 1>you know are for your betterment and are for your

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<v Speaker 1>higher good and are for your health and well being.

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<v Speaker 1>The way I've taught wellness practice for many years, especially

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<v Speaker 1>at a beginner's level, is settle into creating a roadmap

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<v Speaker 1>or kind of like a paper put into quadrants, and

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<v Speaker 1>identify the four areas of your human experience that needs

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<v Speaker 1>support mental, emotional, physical, spiritual that is existing inside of

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<v Speaker 1>us at all times. At the same time, having each

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<v Speaker 1>their own experience. And so if you put one in

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<v Speaker 1>each square of that piece of paper that's folded so

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<v Speaker 1>that there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Four there's four squares.

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<v Speaker 1>You would just write down a list of things that

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<v Speaker 1>you would consider doing that can fit within those categories

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<v Speaker 1>what you do to help and support your mentality, your physicality,

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<v Speaker 1>your spirituality, and your emotional world.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a great way to get started.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you get to pick and choose what enters

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<v Speaker 1>and leaves that box based on the information you're receiving

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<v Speaker 1>from trying from beginning. The problem with modern wellness culture

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<v Speaker 1>is that wellness has become aestheticized. People are teaching who

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<v Speaker 1>have not created real process or practiced themselves. Advertisers that

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what any of this means anyway, are

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<v Speaker 1>just putting the best buzzwords on the projects that they're

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<v Speaker 1>working on, and people feel like they are failing before

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<v Speaker 1>they even begin. And that is the biggest difference of

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so important who and what you consume and

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<v Speaker 1>that you make practice and process your own. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people in the world are grifters, y'all, and that

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<v Speaker 1>hits every industry, every in any industry, and yes, even

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<v Speaker 1>this one, even mental health, even wellness and wellbeing. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are people giving advice that they don't live. It

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<v Speaker 1>is so much harder for you to apply it if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not being shown by someone who knows and understands

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<v Speaker 1>the process, who has moved through the process themselves, so

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<v Speaker 1>that they can adequately and properly guide you about the experience,

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect and what the possibilities are. Quick fixed

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>culture will have you thinking that you can change your

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<v Speaker 1>life in a weekend. You can't, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You can spark profound awareness that over time leads to

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<v Speaker 1>profound change, but the change happens when the awareness is practiced.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanting healing without devotion, wanting healing without practice, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not believe is possible. Practice cannot be rushed. It has

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<v Speaker 1>to be surrendered to, It has to be integrated, It

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<v Speaker 1>has to be authentic. I think one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>distortions right now is that the mainstream wellness has that

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<v Speaker 1>level of performance. Because it's so linked to instant payment

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<v Speaker 1>and monetary success. People think that practice needs to look impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Healing is usually.

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<v Speaker 2>So much quieter than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I notice often is that many of us

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<v Speaker 1>want transformation without the relationship, which is why it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>harder to reintegrate into the world in a world of

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<v Speaker 1>community if you have been on your own healing journey.

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<v Speaker 1>We want that thirty second version, right. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>shared this story before, but I did this other event

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<v Speaker 1>recently and I was teaching this group of women leaders

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<v Speaker 1>and I did a like nervous system regulating breath took

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<v Speaker 1>probably thirty seconds a minute at most. And I remember

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<v Speaker 1>later on I had opened it up for questions and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked everyone, you know, if they had questions. This

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<v Speaker 1>woman said, yeah, I did the breath when you did it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I took the deep breath. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>have anything faster? Because I'm really busy, Like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have anything faster than that, faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Than thirty seconds?

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<v Speaker 1>I do not. But isn't that funny because that's information

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<v Speaker 1>about how we look at time and how we think

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<v Speaker 1>of rushing by our own needs.

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<v Speaker 2>But will happily and easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Binge watch or scroll for hours the thirty seconds. We

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<v Speaker 1>want the life hack, we want the shortcut. No, no,

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not real. It never will be real. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to do your work. You can't bypass it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not doing it, you may have come very far,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a lot you're leaving on the table,

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<v Speaker 1>most especially your own new experiences and freedoms. Your nervous

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<v Speaker 1>system does not heal through performative nourishment or urgency. Your

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<v Speaker 1>inner life does not unfold through pressure or well positioned

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<v Speaker 1>and perceived Instagram photos and fodder. That's why, specifically, in

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<v Speaker 1>my book Living in Wisdom, i wrote, it's the slow

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<v Speaker 1>unfolding that makes this kind of work real and sustainable.

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<v Speaker 1>It is only sustainable through consistency and practice and acceptance.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's elaborate a little deeper on what constitutes to practice.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the four quadrants. Not everyone, No one

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<v Speaker 1>needs a super refined formal practice, especially depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>season of life you're in. It can always shift and change.

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<v Speaker 1>Some days it might be twenty minutes. Some days you

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<v Speaker 1>might get that hour. Some days you might get an

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<v Speaker 1>entire day to do some of the things that you need.

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<v Speaker 1>But micropractices matter, to rituals matter, real life integration matters.

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<v Speaker 1>So taking that breath outside of the privacy of your

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<v Speaker 1>home and doing that breath in the exact moment you're

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated in real life, that's practice. Those small moments of

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<v Speaker 1>noticing your nervous system and bringing yourself some support. Presence

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>is inside every day ordinary life. That is where the

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<v Speaker 1>highest amount of your practice is going to unfold and

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<v Speaker 1>take shape. And I also want to say something that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is important. Not everyone needs this elaborate kind

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<v Speaker 1>of spiritualized structure either, depending on where you are in

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>your journey, some people might just be looking to stay

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<v Speaker 1>connected to themselves in real time, and it may not

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<v Speaker 1>be about developing a deeper relationship with your spirit or

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>your spiritual curriculum at this time, and that's okay. So

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>then meet your physical needs of being human and give

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<v Speaker 1>your nervous system and your brain the support and help

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.959
<v Speaker 1>that they need, and take some of that out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make it pragmatic and practical, or you can

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>connect so many of those other deeper layers of your

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual experience to it. And I think in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways, I personally do both. Sometimes the practice is

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<v Speaker 1>deeply devotional and I am in conversation with God the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time. Sometimes the practice is just deeply structural, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about getting a flared up body to feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't need to disappear into the mountains to

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<v Speaker 1>begin caring for yourself. Sometimes the practice is just softening

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>your shoulders when you notice that they're a little too high,

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>unclenching your jaw when you notice it's feeling tight, taking

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<v Speaker 1>in breath when you notice you stop breathing, and simply

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<v Speaker 1>pausing for a h before reacting. Sitting in silence for

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<v Speaker 1>just two minutes in between meetings. That is practice too.

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<v Speaker 1>The work is not always in the ritual. The work

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<v Speaker 1>is in how you live in all the moments. The

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<v Speaker 1>work is in whether you can stay present with yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of your actual life, in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>So if there is anything that I hope you take

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<v Speaker 1>away from this episode, it is this. You do not

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<v Speaker 1>need to perform your healing, and healing requires practice. Life

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<v Speaker 1>elevation requires practice. You do not just need the perfect routine.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not need to become someone else before you

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<v Speaker 1>were worthy of your own care and tending. Start smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>Start honestly, Start with one breath, one pause, one moment

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<v Speaker 1>of returning to the core of who you are. Practice

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<v Speaker 1>is not something you need to prove. It's just something

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<v Speaker 1>that you live and you see where it takes you,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time, if you stay devoted to returning to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself with honesty and compassion, your practice becomes less about

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<v Speaker 1>your self improvement and healing what feels broken, and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes more about honoring who you already are and just

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<v Speaker 1>giving yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>What you need and what you deserve.

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<v Speaker 1>So for today's soul work, I want the practice to

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<v Speaker 1>be really simple. Get a journal, get in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>close your eyes, sit down, tap your chest, put your

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<v Speaker 1>hand over your heart or your solar plexus, and just say,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I need right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What does my body need?

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<v Speaker 1>What does my heart and my emotional world need? What

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<v Speaker 1>does my mind need? What does my spirit need? Slowly

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<v Speaker 1>answering each question, what do I need? And then just

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<v Speaker 1>slowly see the things that start to arise and write

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<v Speaker 1>them down without judgment, without thinking about it, without trying

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<v Speaker 1>to dress it up or dress it down or make

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<v Speaker 1>it sound anything other than what it is, and then

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<v Speaker 1>start getting creative. How do you want to meet that need?

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<v Speaker 1>How can you meet that need? Are there even non

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<v Speaker 1>traditional and fun ways that you could meet that need

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<v Speaker 1>right now, even without having everything in front of you?

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<v Speaker 1>Sit with that, play with that most especially, play with that,

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<v Speaker 1>experiment with that, practice that, and then arrive back next

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<v Speaker 1>week and everything that we've been talking about in this episode, practice, practice, Practice,

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<v Speaker 1>Connect with my substacks, self care simplified. We continue this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation there and hit me up on IG let me

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