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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. We have some doozies today. Our stories

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Speaker 1: is from you, and we are back. We have returned.

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Speaker 1: what you're watching is not real cheese. It's very cleverly designed,

428
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: uh substance. But turns out, Ryan, there is something called

429
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: the Illuminati of cheese and I I can't, I can't,

430
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: It's it's true. It's the It's something called dairy Management Incorporated.

431
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: So here's here's what happened. The government of the US,

432
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: like many other world governments, places a lot of emphasis

433
00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: on supporting its domestic agriculture that includes livestock and dairy,

434
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: and dairy farmers noticed that there was a decline in

435
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: their sales. So Uncle Sam intervened and Uncle Sam started

436
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: buying more sustainable or like a dairy product with a

437
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: longer shelf life, which would be cheese. And the US

438
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: for a number of years has had a massive cheese surplus,

439
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: which sounds funny until you realize we're talking about like

440
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: one point one nine billion pounds of cheese. It's crazy

441
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: because our cheese consumption is more than doubled, but we

442
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: still aren't putting a dent in that surplus. And you

443
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: could say that the government was right to intervene and

444
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: buy this cheese to help out these dairy farmers. It's

445
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: still pretty rough though, because like in farmers had to

446
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: resort to just straight up pouring out almost fifty million

447
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: gallons of unsold milk, like literally depression erastyle, pouring it

448
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: out into holes in the ground. And that's where the

449
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: National Dairy Promotion Board, a trade group, came in and

450
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: created Dairy Management Incorporated. They're a marketing branch of the U.

451
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: S d A. And they're funded through something that are

452
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: called check off fees, not like the playwright, like check

453
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: off this thing from a list. They're the they're the

454
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: folks who gave us the got Milk campaigns. You guys

455
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: remember got Milk? Like that? That's it? Really well? Right?

456
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that and what pork? The other white meat?

457
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: And because it's for dinner? Yeah, yeah, that's a very

458
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: good embarrassing. Yeah, they're very similar in design and they

459
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: wait when did when did stuffed crust become a thing?

460
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Because we can match this up? I think, you know what. Honestly,

461
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I feel like we we've done some really heavy dark

462
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: stuff for full episodes lately. Would you guys be interested

463
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: in doing a full cheese conspiracy episode? Oh my gosh, yes, Matt,

464
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: you make a really good point. I mean, what a

465
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: what a what better place to like inject a little

466
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: extra cheese into a thing that's already like cheese? You know,

467
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: maybe that's a little high, but yeah, it's it's true,

468
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: and it's popular. The kids love it because it's like

469
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: a novelty. It makes it. It's like a cheesy breadstick

470
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: and a pizza in one. Um. But Ben, wasn't there

471
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: even an allegation or the notion that like Kraft Macaroni

472
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: and cheese powder was in some way repurposed government cheese? Yeah? Yeah, exactly,

473
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Well that's what that's what Ryan's referring to. I think

474
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: that's part. Honestly, that's part of why I want us

475
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: to make this a full episode, because I feel like

476
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: we can find the answer if we dig in. Uh.

477
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: We know that Taco Bell and mc donold's, Pizza Hut, Dominoes,

478
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: they've all upped their cheese, uh, their cheese content right

479
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: as a proportion of the stuff that you order. And

480
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: that part of that is with help from Dairy Management Incorporated.

481
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: Because this didn't come from nowhere. They didn't just like

482
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Wendy's didn't just decide let's make stuff extra cheesy. Agents

483
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: this natural conspiracy. Agents of the Dairy Management Incorporated organization

484
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: are in contact with Burger Kinge. They have infiltrated Dominoes.

485
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm a huge fan of cheese,

486
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: like a lot of people. Is it because I've been brainwashed?

487
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Is it because I actually like cheese? Uh? I don't care.

488
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I liked, I don't care. From my perspective, cheese is

489
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: top notch. Should It was a second cheese related episode

490
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: that we've cheese related story we've done, where we had

491
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: a criminal um who got caught on an encrypted app

492
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: um by posing with a piece of cheese is a

493
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: piece of blue cheese. And I believe I mentioned and

494
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't know like exactly what the science behind us,

495
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: but there definitely is a study or two that I've

496
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: seen that conflates cheese the way it affects the pleasure

497
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: receptors in the brain to a similar way the drugs

498
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: are are specifically stimulants like cocaine affects the brain. So

499
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: there is such thing as the cheese addiction. At the

500
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: very least, it is something that triggers uh endorphins in

501
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the brain. Absolutely, you're absolutely right before we go with this.

502
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: So first Ryan, this this part of the show is

503
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit short because we don't

504
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: want to reveal too much about the hidden hand that

505
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: is slinging cheese secretly across the nation. But we want

506
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: you to know the conspiracy is real. There is an

507
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: actual thing. And here's one example. In two thousand and twelve,

508
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: uh d M I embedded a food scientist named Lisa

509
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: mcclintlock into the Taco Bell product of development team. This

510
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: is something Ryan already knows, we're just sharing it with

511
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: everybody else. Mcclintlock worked with the senior manager for product

512
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: development at Taco Bell, a guy named Steve Gomez to

513
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: develop a specific kind of cheese filling that would literally

514
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: that would actually stretch like taffy the way it does

515
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: on the commercials, figure out how to mass produce it,

516
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: and then also invent some proprietary machinery along the way.

517
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: So they were creating a need for cheese on a

518
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: commercial scale. And this creation, this thing they come up with,

519
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: you might recognize it if you go to a Taco

520
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Bell today. It's called the Casa Lupa. Each shell in

521
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: a case of Lupa contains an entire ounce of cheese.

522
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: It's about five times the amount of cheese that you

523
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: would see in your garden variety crunchy taco. So just

524
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: to make the shells, Taco Bell had to buy four

525
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: point seven billion pounds of cheese. Well done Egypt mcclintlock,

526
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: and I say that as a guy is eating a

527
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: case of loopa. They're pretty they're pretty solid. They hold up.

528
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: I did not like them, just putting that out there.

529
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I did not like them. I recently tried Taco Bell's

530
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: new naked chicken Chaloopa. I didn't even realize what it

531
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: was I just thought it was kind of interesting. They

532
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: had naked in the title, and it made it sound

533
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: like it was like a healthy item. When I see

534
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: naked chicken, I think undressed, kind of like less saucy chicken,

535
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: maybe a little better for you. But it turns out

536
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: what it means is that chalupa shell is made of

537
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: a piece of fried chicken. Yeah. Yeah, so not healthy

538
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: at all. Just so it is not what I was

539
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: expecting at all, but that we need to I think

540
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: we need to trace down these cheese pulls, uh to

541
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: their sort um, go down these cheesy rabbit holes and

542
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: and see what what lurks beneath the bubbling surface. It's true.

543
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: Look for this episode coming up in the next few weeks.

544
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: But the last thing I'll say before we move on

545
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: to our third story today is one time president of

546
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: the d m I President Barbara O'Brien said, here's a

547
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: little secret to the pizza companies. If you use more cheese,

548
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: you sell more pizza. Kind of similar to the way

549
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. That statement reminds me of the way

550
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: members veterans of the plastics industry said recycling sells more

551
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: plastic and Matt we can trace we can correlate. We

552
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: can do more than simply correlate stuffed crust. The story

553
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: about stuffed crust is that the first person to claimed

554
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: to invent it is a Brazilian guy named Rubens Augusto Jr.

555
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: He's the founder of a pizza chain called Petroni. He

556
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: says he invented stuffed crust back in six but the

557
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: d N I d M I, which was brand new

558
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: on the scene. They worked specifically with Pizza Hut to

559
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: create the stuffed crust pizza. And yeah, and they did

560
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: because because their goal was and they've they've provided these estimates.

561
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: You can find them. They said, if every US pizza

562
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: maker added one extra ounce of cheese per pie, the

563
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: industry would sell an additional two hundred and fifty million

564
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: pounds of cheese every year. This is happening. There is

565
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: a conspiracy a foot, and it has been around for

566
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: more than a couple of decades now, to make you

567
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: eat more cheese as a way of moving this massive

568
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: cheddar surplus. Like this is a real story. This is amazing.

569
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking the freaking Ninja turtles were created by

570
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: dairy management to sell more pizza. Maybe not, maybe not

571
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: the original comic, but the film adaptations shows if you

572
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: can get to the children, you know, like like old

573
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: Dirty said, you know, thanks for the kids, because the

574
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: kids get their parents to buy stuff. I don't believe

575
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: that children are a future. Yes, yes, everybody agrees that

576
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: the battle of hearts and minds, you make your most

577
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: significant wins with children. From a cold marketing perspective, it

578
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: does make sense because any income that a child will

579
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: have will tend to be disposable income. And then it

580
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: becomes all driven by nostalgia and driven by fond memories

581
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: of childhood, and then you pass it on to your kids.

582
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's an endless cycle that benefits Big Cheese,

583
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Big Cheese. That's right, So Ryan, it turns out that

584
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: we cannot only say this conspiracy is true, but we

585
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: can say there's more too. There's more to chew on here.

586
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is pause. We'll check back

587
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: in with you in probably a few weeks when you

588
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: do a full episode on this. But for now, let's

589
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: hold for a word from our sponsors while Matt Nold,

590
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: Doc and I go get our caseo dip, which is

591
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: what we during the commercials look to the Missouri Caves,

592
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and we're back with our final message from you, the public,

593
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: the conspiracy realists of the world. This one comes from

594
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: the Sexy Beast episode Rife with with Amazing pseudonyms, and

595
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna jump right into it. Hey, y'all. I

596
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: have a lot of interesting Internet stalking stories, unfortunately, but

597
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: there's a particular one that came to mind during a

598
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: recent Strange News show. As it likely came about from

599
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: an app behaving poorly with data, A friend and I

600
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: would sign off text calling each other off the wall

601
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: pet names. One such time, I referred to my friend

602
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: as sexy Beast. I have never used the term sexy

603
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: beast in my life, and while the term okay, so,

604
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I guess sexy Vast technically is the friend's nickname, but

605
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with it because this listener did ask to

606
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: remain anonymous. I have never used the term sexy beast

607
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: in my life, and while the term beast could have

608
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: popped up to spark the idea for the name in

609
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: some subliminal way, combining it with sexy is just something

610
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: that wasn't in my vernacular, and I had not recently

611
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: observed those two words together. It cracked me up immediately

612
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: it would have stood out. I checked my spam folder

613
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: within a couple of days of sending that text in

614
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: a particular set of words caught my attention. In the

615
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: message preview, Hello sexy Beast, I was referred to as

616
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: sexy beast through the entire email, courtesy of an auto

617
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: phil format. Wherever the ad targets name should grammatically appear,

618
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: there was sexy Beast. I took a screenshot and found

619
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: this real estate person the advertiser, on Facebook, and posted

620
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: to their page asking about the email. I never received

621
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: a reply. While the specific advertiser likely bought this information,

622
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: someone pulled the information from my text as there was

623
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: never another correlation. Of course, they didn't observe I wasn't

624
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: the sexy beast, but maybe I'm just there sexy beast.

625
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: I may be able to find some screenshots, though I

626
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: don't use some of those accounts or devices anymore. This

627
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: was several years ago now, which also says to me

628
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff has all gotten much worse, stuff

629
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: being gross invasions of privacy. I prefer to me anonymous.

630
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: I probably have some other pretty out there on topic stories.

631
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: I may relay in part another day. Thanks for an

632
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: interesting show, Anonymous or sexy Beast. So, yeah, this is interesting,

633
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: and this really fit feeds into a lot of the

634
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of big picture paranoia of like our apps listening

635
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: to us. You know, um, you talk about a thing

636
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: that you have no recollection of ever googling or writing

637
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: in an email. I think email is pretty much known

638
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to be on the table. Uh as far as your

639
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: devices and things, you know, social media apps pulling from email,

640
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're using Gmail, I certainly have. Uh, we

641
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: we do. We deal with a lot of sponsors for example. Right,

642
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: So the moment I get an email vetting a sponsor

643
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: for us, I start getting ads for that sponsor all

644
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: the time. I think we've all probably seen this happen.

645
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: There's no question there's some cross talk going on. The

646
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: second one that people that one I think is relatively conclusive.

647
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: The second one is listening, right, is Facebook listening to

648
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: our conversations and then serving us with ads? Facebook says no, Um,

649
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: there was a report that they are. A statement they

650
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: issued back in that said they unequivocally are not listening

651
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: to our conversations. The mic only is turned on for

652
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: specific uses UM when you grant it permission to do so,

653
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: and it would not you know, have cross talk with

654
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: other apps. But we're talking about today or with sexy

655
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: Beast is talking about is something different. I didn't get

656
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: from this email whether UH Sexy Beasts using an Android

657
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: device or an Apple device, but Apple devices UM pretty

658
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: unequivocally UH encrypt both ends of of eye message interactions.

659
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: So actually I was looking on Reddit and I found

660
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: a post very similar to this where a an individual

661
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: was talking about messaging with his sister about an Acer

662
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: laptop that she bought like years ago, asking if they

663
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: knew she knew where still was and then boom, immediately

664
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: starts getting served with ads for Acer laptops UM in

665
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: in the In the the chatter on the the post,

666
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: people point out that my message is encrypted, that not

667
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: even Apple can see the content of those messages. That

668
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: something must have been happening that is giving this advertiser

669
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: UH visa this information, but it's not from my message.

670
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: Somebody pointed out that it's possible that Spotlight, which is

671
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: a search feature within the phone UM, perhaps was targeting

672
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: a keyword in the message. Or you know, sometimes if

673
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: you have a message and then there's like an underlined term.

674
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: You can hit it, or you can search for it

675
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: in spotlight and then it'll like give you web results

676
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: that somehow that had happened. But um, the idea that

677
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: it that I message was being you know, pulled from

678
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: uh covertly is pretty easily debunkable. I think how much

679
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: detailed do we have about whether it was specifically I message.

680
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: We don't don't because if it was Facebook Messenger, it

681
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: could easily happen because I believe they only have for example,

682
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Facebook or Snapchat or whatever, they only have in transit encryption.

683
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: And then also I think maybe we're gonna breadcrumb a

684
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: little bit. We had that earlier, the earlier piece from

685
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: the privacy advocate who had kind of walked through how

686
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: this sort of data scraping occurs. Uh. That's from Strange

687
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: News with Robert Somebody. Yeah. Yeah, he lays out a

688
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: really convincing case. His his conversation is still available on Twitter.

689
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: What this is making me think if we Hansel and

690
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Gretel just a bit, I'm wondering, you, Sexy Beast, how

691
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: many how many apps on your device at the time

692
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: were granted access to various things? Right like you might

693
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: get you might pull up an app depending on your device,

694
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: and have these weird requests, and you're thinking, well, why

695
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: does this thing need to know my location to work?

696
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: Why does it need to have access to my microphone

697
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: or my camera, etcetera. And I think, you know, maybe

698
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: all of us are kind of on the same page there.

699
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: It can be tough to figure out where the leak occurs, right, yeah,

700
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: it can, because it also what of all of this

701
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: is just coincidence? You know? I mean, sexy Beast is

702
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: a movie. Um. Our listener did not mention that it's

703
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: a movie starring Ben Kingsley. That's a pretty popular movie.

704
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: I I have no reason to believe that that has

705
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: anything to do with anything. But the listener did kind

706
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: of say, I'm not sure where this term came from,

707
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: felt as though they had kind of made it up

708
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: on the spot or combine these words in a nonsensical fashion.

709
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: But I think maybe even subconscious uh, listener was aware

710
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: of the movie sexy beast. Um. I think it is

711
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: a British slang, perhaps referring to someone as being good looking.

712
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: You say, oh you sexy beast you and um, I

713
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: think that's where it comes in. In the movie. It's

714
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: a it's a British character. And to be fair, we

715
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: cannot and have no way of confirming the beastliness or

716
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: sexiness of this person. Would you not accurate? Beastliness and

717
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: sexiness have ever been in the eye of the beholder?

718
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: I say, believe in yourself, folks, you know, be that

719
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: beast cold if you want to be, You're You're as

720
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: sexy as you feel. You're a sexy beast you want

721
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: to see in the world. That's what I'm saying is

722
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: we cannot determine what what was whatever system or advertiser

723
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: or company, what did they use to determine the beastliness

724
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: and sexiness? What were they gleaning from other information that

725
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: listener was putting out onto the Internet and into these

726
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: other channels that perhaps caused an algorithm to determine that

727
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: this in fact was in a appropriate nickname. And that's

728
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: the coincidence there. Either way, I'm gonna I'm gonna say

729
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: we were getting back in the T shirt game. We're

730
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna make a T shirt that out of context, makes

731
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: no sense to anybody. It'll just say stuff they'll want

732
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, you're you're as sexy as you want

733
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: to be you're as sexy as you want a beast. Okayo,

734
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: and uh, I cannot hang out today. I have I

735
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: am become weird. Yeah, I'm sticking with that becomes strange

736
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: this in the field. No, I think you gotta you know,

737
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: it's like sexiness. It's however you feel. I've been doing

738
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: it in the field, and um, people take you seriously.

739
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: They're not going to call you on it. When you

740
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: say it becomes strange. It just it sounds like. But

741
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I think I am become weird could also work. I'd

742
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: love to hear your results for anybody who's tried this

743
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: out in the wild. But this goes to something else.

744
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: Another detail that you mentioned um Nolan sexy beast, which

745
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: is is clearly as an automated form, which means they

746
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: were pulling that phrase and they were applying it imperfectly right.

747
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: So it could also you know what it could be.

748
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: It could be that um our sexy Beast has done

749
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: nothing wrong whatsoever, and that it was something on the

750
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: other person's side. I have another theory, ben um my daughter,

751
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: you can actually tell Siri on your iPhone to call

752
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: you something and then emails will refer to you as

753
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 1: that thing. So I still have an email account where

754
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: my daughter changed my name in my phone to Princess,

755
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: and so I occasionally get emails addressed to Princess. Um.

756
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe some of these texts were happening

757
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: via voice Uh, and it was saying Sirie. Who knows.

758
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: Maybe Sirie got her wires crossed and decided that this

759
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: gentleman's name was sexy Beast. Um. It is. It is

760
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: a it is a sort of a hidden under the

761
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: hood feature that Siri will do. You can say, hey, Siri,

762
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: from now on, I want you to call me sexy Beast,

763
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: and then in any interaction with Siri, she will refer

764
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: to you as sexy Beast or Princess in my case. Mhm.

765
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: So lots to unpack here, um, lots to keep an

766
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: eye on, as you know. And again this is these

767
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: these Reddit threads are quite old. Like I ran into

768
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: one um of of a gentleman who and his wife

769
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 1: who decided they were going to talk about cat food

770
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: um for a day. Uh. And they don't have cats.

771
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: They haven't had cats in twenty years, they said, and

772
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: that was not something they would ever talk about. And

773
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: then lo and behold. Two or three days later, they

774
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: started getting served up ads for cat food. Um. Again.

775
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: Facebook says it doesn't do this. Facebook say it doesn't

776
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: listen um. But you know, that's what we're here for,

777
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: is to question these official lines that these companies put

778
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: forth right. I don't know if I believe them or not.

779
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: I've still got my super yacht experiment going on, and

780
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with everyone, I've had mixed to middling results.

781
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: I think it's because I have to be too much

782
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: of a cartoonish stereotype of myself. I think it's because

783
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: I have a lot of different proxies and blockers and

784
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: things like that on and I want to have targeted

785
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: ads for obscene billionaire stuff like the riguals, of course.

786
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just not ready to turn off all the stuff,

787
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles, you know. I mean. Ah,

788
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: It's tough, though. It's tough because the point like, unless

789
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: you do not participate in online communication, someone has your stuff.

790
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: Someone is going to like that. We haven't done a

791
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: story on this yet, but the FBI was confirmed recently

792
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: to have made up their own like encrypted criminal app

793
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: like the one we talked about, similar to the encrypted

794
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: app that got infiltrated by law enforcement that we mentioned,

795
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: I think earlier this week or the past week. The

796
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: FBI actually just made one up. Obviously, the Navy was

797
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: involved with the creation of the Onion router technology. The

798
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: illusion of privacy is increasingly and very much uh true,

799
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: really an illusion. To be fair with that thing, they

800
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: paid a dude who was going to go down like

801
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: he was really he was going to go down uh

802
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: legally really hard. But they got him and then paid

803
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: him to make a whole encrypted app, and then they

804
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: distributed to everybody, and then massive amounts of criminals were

805
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: just texting and that feathers like, oh, really, you're gonna

806
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: be at the dock at what time? Because turns out

807
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: even organized crime gets a case of fomo every now

808
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: and then. You know, you're talking to your compos and

809
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, well, the other families got this

810
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: cool app. Well, you guys, we gotta live in the future. Well, well,

811
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: it's like that app we were talking about in the

812
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: cheese story, not today's cheese story, the previous cheese story

813
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: that was created specifically you know, and and and tied

814
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: to a piece of hardware with all of these things

815
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: turned off, you know by design um and speaking of that,

816
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: then you made a good point. If you do just

817
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: know your settings, know your device and and UH and

818
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: do what you can if you wish to limit those

819
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: local san um tracking you know, settings, you can go

820
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: into your devices UH specifically, you know, I think we

821
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: all use iPhones um settings and then privacy and location

822
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: services in iOS and then you can literally scroll down

823
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: and turn it on or off for various applications that

824
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: you have on your phone. There's even one that's called

825
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: significant locations to see a log a record of where

826
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: you've been, and then you can turn that off. You

827
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: can clear that history. You can also limit ad tracking.

828
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: There is a cap that you can put on ad

829
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: tracking in iOS where you go to Settings Privacy, Advertising

830
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: and limit ad tracking turn that on. UM and and

831
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: Android you can go to settings, Google Ads and opt

832
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: out of ads personalization. So those are a few things

833
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: you can do. Are they just kind of a little

834
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: little gimmes to make us feel better? Possibly? I know, Matt,

835
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just trying to give the good people

836
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of information, to give them some piece

837
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: of money because now that we're gonna stop using our devices,

838
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, and the bad ones too, absolutely, but that's

839
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: it for me all. It is a really interesting perspective

840
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: from the Sexy Beast, whether coincidence or whether something nefarious

841
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: that we haven't even begun to fully wrap our heads around.

842
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: It's definitely fascinating. Uh And and we thank you for

843
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: that email, as we thank everyone that wrote in and

844
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: called in today. Yes, Yes, shout out to Sexy Beast,

845
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to two Chains, the one and only Ryan

846
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: in my head. The three of you are in a

847
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: band called Big Cheese Secrets. Uh up for workshopping, of course,

848
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: it's it's your creative endeavor. We support you. We're looking

849
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: forward to the first single. If you want to take

850
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Speaker 1: a page from our fellow conspiracy realist books and be

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Speaker 1: Ben is making that scary clown face that he does.

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