WEBVTT - This is Dramatic: The News This Week! 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.040 This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.400 Hello everybody, Chris Harrison, Lauren Zeema coming to you from 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.480 the Gloomy Home office in Austin, Texas. We begin today 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.280 with some very sad news. Legendary Dancing with the Stars 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.119 judge Lynn Goodman has died just shy of his seventy 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.720 ninth birthday. Lynn had been diagnosed been battling bone cancer. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.120 He died surrounded by his family, his wife Sue, and 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.760 his son James. Lynn was someone who he had been 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.280 with the show for seventeen years. He was one of 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.880 the first judges and came on when the show began 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.760 in two thousand and five. Very beloved figure. Even when 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.600 he was kind of snarky or kind of tough on people, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.760 everybody loved. He was just this English gentleman that everybody 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.560 really loved and admired, and they made everybody smile. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.080 I don't know if there is someone who more perfectly critiqued, 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.800 because even when he critiqued, you respected his opinion. That's 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.000 the thing. You never felt like. It wasn't like I 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.800 think the dancer sometimes felt he was so hard on them, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.480 you know, and that was where some of that conflict 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.240 came from, but he was almost like that father figure 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.600 that they also wanted to impress. They would all tell 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.319 me when I covered the show that, well, if you 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.800 get that good score from Len, you know, you know 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.200 it means it, and you know that it means something. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.200 And they were always trying to work for those scores 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.960 from Len, even though they'd all been frustrated with him 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.720 at different points. And you and I really wanted to 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.280 talk about this because I think when we both woke 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.920 up to this news, we both, I mean, your heart 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.399 sinks a little bit because we both felt such fund 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.119 memories of him. I mean, I covered the show for years, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.760 and you'd covered it, you'd been there. You and I 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.120 had gone and sat in the audience of Dancing with 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.399 the Stars a couple times to support Hannah Brown one 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.720 time together, and I just, I mean, I'm so glad 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.920 that he was with his family. And there's actually this 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.120 really sweet story. I guess in an interview last year, 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.240 he had said he had actually predicted. He'd said, well, 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.480 my dad passed at seventy nine, and I love the 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.480 way he went, and he went, you know, surrounded by 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.120 what he loved, and if I go that way I'm 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.880 okay with it. So I just feel like he lived 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.640 a beautiful, full life and I think you know you 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.600 and I also felt like there's so much more to 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:12.400 say about Len. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.000 Yeah, and we're going to do that. We do have 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:15.560 a lot more to say, and there are a lot 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.360 of people that have things they would love to share 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.480 and talk about Lynn Goodman, and we're going to do that. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.000 We're going to drop a very special Lynn Goodman episode 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.799 of the most dramatic podcast ever. His life, his legacy, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.040 his memories on Dancing with the Stars, and what he 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.000 meant to everybody. So look for that. The most dramatic 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:37.359 podcast ever Lynn Goodman will drop very soon. Shocking news 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:44.520 yesterday in the world of cable TV news, First Fox 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.240 announced that Tucker Carlson was fired and would be leaving 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.799 the network immediately. He would not be passing go, he 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.000 would not collect two hundred dollars, He would not have 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.919 a goodbye show. He would not be giving a farewell speed. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.040 His last show has already aired. He is gone and removed. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.320 This was an absolute shocker to everybody yesterday. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.200 This was wild. I mean, like you and again like 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.000 the Big News Day, and you and I both I 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.600 think our journalism roots come out and we're like, whoa 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.000 big news day, breaking news day. And the Tucker Carlson 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.640 announcement was shocking to me. Of course, we're going to 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.320 get into Don Lemmon being let go from CNN, and 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.240 that was much less shocking to me. But Tucker Carlson, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.120 I mean, we just come off this news of the 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:37.400 big Fox lawsuit settlement with Dominion voting Fox settled. There 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.480 was supposed to be this big trial because Dominion was 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.800 accusing Fox of hurting their brand, of spreading false information 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.760 about them, and then Fox ends up not going to trial, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.640 settling for seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars, the 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:55.000 biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And everybody defamation is 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.240 something that is hard to prove, so notoriously a lot 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.840 of the time these cases don't go to trial or 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.240 they you know, I guess you can hope for a settlement. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:08.240 This is the biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.920 so the news of Tucker Carlson being I mean, I 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:12.960 guess fired, right, he. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.160 Was fired, yes, one hundred percent being let go. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.080 After that, of course people are connecting the two. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.400 Well. I think initially people started connecting that this had 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.920 something to do with the dominion settlement and the fact 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.800 that Tucker was listed and he would be, you know, 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.120 one of the witnesses, et cetera. And there are other 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.159 lawsuits pending as well after this defamation. There's other people 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.520 in line. So there's more to come for Fox. But 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.760 as people started digging into this, it really had more 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.560 to do with Rupert Murdoch and Tucker Carlson stepping out 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.440 of line and crossing the big red line, the conservative line, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.560 and going against basically the Fox talking points. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.279 The reports are coming out that Rupert Murdoch, head of Everything, Yeah, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.320 Fox didn't like the way that Tucker covered the January 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.359 sixth yats. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.440 Yeah, his conspiracy theories and all the things he went with. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.960 And there was something else he didn't like that way, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:05.240 and he. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.440 Really kind of went after this one figure Ray EPs 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.920 sixty minutes did a big story on that. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.400 Okay, now I'm lacking on something. I don't watch Succession, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.480 but it just sounds like it's real. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.120 I mean, first of all, Succession is HBO. Check it out. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.240 It is. I'm going to say, yeah, I'm trying to 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.080 run through my memory bank. It's the best show on 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.080 TV right now. I think by fall. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:29.960 No, that's what everyone says. And this is on me. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.160 If I have to binge it, I am lacking. I 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.920 feel like I'm going to love it when I binge it, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:34.880 and I'm behind. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.560 And if you don't know, for the Lauren Zemas of 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.200 the world, it is a story of this family, this 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.800 unbelievably rich family that owns I mean, it's torn out 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.080 of the pages of Fox. It's Rupert Murdoch and it's 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.920 the Murdoch family and they have the kind of evil, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.080 maniacal overlord father, and then you have the kids who 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.440 are really don't have any redeemable qualities about them either, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.080 and they're all kind of climbing on each other and 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.000 stabbing each other in the back to try and gain 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.839 power in the empire. Anyway, long story short, Two things. One, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:08.520 Succession is spectacular. You must watch it. Number two, Rupert Murdoch. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.760 This is I don't know if it's art imitating life 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.479 or life imitating art. I mean, but this is happening. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:19.080 This is the crazy man from Succession torpedoing his own network. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.119 Because look, guys, I know people on the left, even 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.000 you know, the silly display of the ladies on the 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.800 view yesterday singing no, no, no, no goodbye and doing the 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.040 wave and all that. So people on the left are rejoicing, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.839 people on the right are angry. If you have no 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.520 dog in this fight, you're just going to look at 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.680 this from the analytics and the business side. Tucker Carlson 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.039 is easily the most successful television show I would say 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.760 on TV right now. He gets three million viewers a night. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.799 To put that in perspective, that is bigger than most 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.120 primetime shows, not to dog on the Bachelor. That's much 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.920 bigger than the Bachelor gets once a week on their show. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:05.040 Tucker Carlson's getting that every night, three million viewers. So 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.800 he is the one hundred million pound gorilla in the 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:10.560 room at Fox. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.720 I was also reading and listening to a few podcasts 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.840 yesterday that he had a pretty sizable by cable news 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.280 standards younger demographic, which is so critical when it comes 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.680 to advertising dollars that younger audience, and to be honest, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.960 cable news could use some younger viewers. I mean, you know, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.920 it drives home to me like I'd never turn on 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.440 Fox or CNN or anything anymore. I don't turn on 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.400 unless maybe something crazy breaking happens, like when the riots happened. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.120 I turned on CNN to cover that or to follow that. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.560 But like for sure, your kids, college kids, they're not 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:44.560 flipping on CNN. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:45.120 Oh gosh. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.680 Ever, No, So that that is what I think you 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.600 and I were talking about the most is the fact 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.440 that and I don't know what it says about Rupert 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.840 Murdoch if it says that he is incredibly confident or 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.960 incredibly stupid, but that he just got rid of his 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.920 biggest ratings star. I mean, I think in most people's minds, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.560 Tucker Carlson and Fox News are fairly synonymous with each 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.040 other at the well. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.840 And it's interesting because they went through this before with 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.520 Bill O'Reilly, who had some allegations against him and he 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.040 was let go as well, and everyone thought, Okay, that's it, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.520 that's the end of Fox. And now seemingly it happens 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.720 again with Tucker Carlson. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.600 But and it wasn't, by the way, it wasn't the 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:25.440 end of Fox. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:30.240 When any means and so, look, is everybody replaceable. We're 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.760 about to find out. You know, Fox will survive, They'll 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.199 go on and do something. But Fox really and again 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.200 this isn't taking sides. This has nothing to do with 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.960 partisan politics whatsoever. I'm just giving you the facts Fox News. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.080 And this is why CNN, MSNBC, everybody goes after them 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:50.120 so hard they dominate. It's the ratings and the money 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:55.120 aren't even comparable. CNN is a barely a blip on 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.480 the radar. They barely exist anymore. MSNBC isn't far behind. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.400 But if you go look at the ratings, which I 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.200 do often, you'll see I don't know, five to ten 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.640 Fox shows and then you get down to a Rachel Maddow, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.840 you get down to these other shows of Don Lemon, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.280 and they are far far down the list on the ratings. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.280 And so that's why everybody's rejoicing is I mean, this 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.000 is just a good feather in their cap because it 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.679 gives them a chance to succeed well. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.240 By the way, as much as I'm saying biggest defamation 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.400 settlement in history, I also read yesterday on the Hill 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.560 in an article where they were kind of talking about 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.960 the Tucker Carlson thing, that Fox made two point eight 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:38.240 billion dollars last year. Son hundred and eighty seven million 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.960 isn't nothing. And also they're facing another lawsuit from a 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:42.880 smartmatic a two point seven billion. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.200 I was the other one I was referring to, and 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.200 that one could be deeper and more impactful. Actually, and 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.280 now the precedent has been set, so people are saying 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.600 that could be big on the horizon. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.560 The precedent of a huge settle. So we'll see. I 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.440 don't know what this means for Fox, but it's very 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.720 Again Rupert Murdoch. I guess what everybody says about him 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.720 is that when he's done with you, he's just like done. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.480 You know, you're gone. And that is what happened with 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.040 Tucker Carlson here. His last show was last Friday. He's 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.720 not going to get to say goodbye. But it's also 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.000 hard for me to not. We've said this before on 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.440 the show. You guys, if you get a great ending 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.040 at your job, you're lucky. I mean, I think this 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.839 all the time. I see it the more and more 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.080 as I grow up. It's not not everybody gets that 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.600 retirement party and sailing off into the sunset. It very 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.720 rarely happens. If things don't end well for you at work. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.280 Know that it's more than likely like that. Statistically overall, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.920 you're probably not gonna it's like a breakup. It happens 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:40.439 for a reason. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.040 Very few get the farewell tour. Very few say, oh, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.080 I'm going to retire this season and get to play 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.600 this beautiful season and end up on top and you know, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.000 get that parade. Well, you're right. It usually does not 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.840 end well. Like relationships, if it ends, it ends for 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:56.360 a reason. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.240 And I have to say for both Fox and Again 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.200 we'll get into don but they can't really give you 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.600 a platform to go like, they can't fire you and 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.439 then say and go ahead on your show on Monday 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.400 and see whatever you want to. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.040 The viewers exactly do that. It is I will go back. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.080 And it does just go to show that this Rupert 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:20.600 Murdoch is very much like lead character and succession. I 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.400 mean he really just at the expense of whatever, he 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.679 just will set fire to everything and he. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.040 Here's a part of me that kind of admires it. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.400 I wish I was that ballsy. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.240 I don't know if you if you are an overlord 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.720 and you are a dictator, that's what you get to do. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.360 I mean, it's his, it's his built the empire. Yeah, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.560 And that's the thing is, you know, when there's an 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.120 interesting thing that I've watched happen in my lifetime because 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.640 it happened at ESPN. And ESPN is struggling as well, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.400 and that is making stars. And these stars get so big, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.000 do they get too big and too powerful? That partly 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.719 came into play for my situation as well. Back when 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.560 I was growing up, there was Dan Patrick, there was Overman, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.439 there were all these stars. Stuart Scott was brilliant, and 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.200 these guys became huge, and you would watch Sports Center 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.680 on ESPN more so to see the Dan Patrick Show 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.160 or to see Keith Ober whatever. Chris Berman was another one, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.720 and Chris is kind of hung around. But ESPN made 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.000 a concerted effort to retire all these people, fire all 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.520 these people, or just not renew their contracts as they 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.360 came up, to get rid of anybody who had star 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.280 power who could hold them over a barrel during negotiations, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.080 and that was a big deal. Now they have Scott 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.400 Van Pelt SVP, who is I think fantastic, and he's 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.240 the only really name brand left at ESPN that has 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.360 his own kind of brand and show, and this is 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.600 kind of the same thing at Fox. I think his 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:50.400 thing is I can make a star. It's me, not them. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.000 Well, and you know, I mean again, it's a good 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.679 business sense. I will say, Look, as much as I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.800 loved my family at Entertainment Tonight, they're at my work. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.679 Family were Look, Mary Hart was synonymous with entertainment Tonight. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.000 People still think she's there. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.200 They still think she's there, and she left several years 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.240 ago before I even started. It's got to be about 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.520 ten years or more by now, if not more than 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.560 ten years. And I don't think that the people in 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.720 business affairs wanted anybody else to get that big. You know, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.880 when we would go into negotiations, I mean it was mental. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.679 It was you know, there are a lot of other 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.280 people that want this job. There's a lot of other 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.320 people who could do this job. And they didn't want 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.480 you to become this big star because yeah, again that 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.000 just meant they'd have to pay you more money. They 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.760 wanted Entertainment Tonight to be I mean, we would be 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.360 sort of trained that when you're going into an interview, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.680 you are entertainment Tonight. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.240 This is huge for Tucker Carlson, This is huge for 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:50.680 his fans. This guy has three million viewers a day. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.000 If you don't think he's not walking across the street 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.080 starting his own network, joining I don't know whoever else 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.800 is out there and crushing it. You're crazy. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.560 I mean, also, we're not even talking about the fact 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.839 that they did this and there's an election next year. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:07.880 Yeah, I mean. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.920 To lose you again, your fate. You just paid this 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.079 huge settlement, you're facing another lawsuit, it's an election, you're 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.080 coming up, and you fired your biggest start. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.800 Okay, well you just hit on Okay, I hate to say. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.680 Now we have one more point. You hit on a 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.920 very important point. Who does Rupert Murdock love and who 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.280 does he probably want to be? President? Donald Trump? Who 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.800 came out with some really nasty tweets, text messages, whatever 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.560 it was that he did not like Donald Trump was 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.720 not in his camp. That was Tucker Carlson. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.800 So there were some text leak texts leaked Tucker saying 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.000 he thought Trump in the White House was a disaster. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.520 The fact that Trump is in line, he's leading really 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.400 really strongly in all the polls, and Rupert Murdoch is 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.040 firmly in the Trump camp. Fox will be firmly in 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.960 the Trump camp. Tucker Carlson again had already crossed that line. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.320 Was not going along with all the talking points, and 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.240 so I think that had a lot to do with 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.360 it as well, although I. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.600 Will say Trump was still supportive of him. I had 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.440 to look this up because I thought i'd seen this headline. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.720 During an interview on Newsmax late Monday night, Donald Trump said, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.480 I was shocked. I'm surprised. He's a very good person, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.800 a very good man, and very talented. I can hear 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.680 his whist in my head, and he had very high ratings. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.760 He's been a Trump well, who can't do it Trump? 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.800 He's been terrific, especially over the last year or so. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:35.200 He's been terrific to me. So Trump, I mean, maybe smartly. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.720 They're not slamming Carlson, not saying good he was fired, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.600 not all that I would imagine. I'm totally guessing here, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.760 but I would imagine Trump knows Carlson's power and knows 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.720 he's going to go start something on his own. I've 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.680 got an election coming up next year, and I'm going 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.560 to stand on the good side. You're right, So, I mean, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.640 the truth is, whatever texts were leaked, I think Carlson 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.680 and Trump have very similar audiences, so it's smart for 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:58.840 them to stay in each other's orbit. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.040 That is not over. We will see where Tucker Carlson lands, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.280 and I imagine it'll come out pretty quickly where he 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:21.200 will move in the least surprising announcement in the least 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.040 in the cable news world. It was a bit of 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.000 a shock that had happened, just because I think we 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.840 thought it was probably gonna happen at some point. You 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.920 just didn't know it was going to happen yesterday. But 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:38.360 CNN fired Don Lemon. Finally. I mean, how this guy 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.880 had been surviving for this long, considering what he has 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.320 done and what he's gotten away with. But finally, you know, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.440 I think CNN capitalized off the huge news of Tucker 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.480 Carlson and they went ahead and announced that Don Lemon 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.000 was fired from CNN. It was a bit of a 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:58.000 roller coaster for CNN as they tried to graciously let 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.640 Don Lemon exit in base say, as that you often 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.840 do in a press release, we wish him the best, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.919 we are parting ways. Don Lemon quickly jumped on social 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.320 media and released a statement saying that after all this time, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.520 all the work he had done, he was shocked that 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:21.680 nobody gave him the courtesy of after being there seventeen 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.200 years the courtesy of a call from a manager one 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.240 of his executives, and CNN quickly fired back. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.280 My favorite part about CNN firing back is that I 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:32.720 didn't know if it was real or not for a 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.359 minute because Elon Musk took away everybody's blue check mark. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.080 So that's funny. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.120 I saw this tweet from CNN. It is from CNN's 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:47.040 communications account at CNNPR, but they didn't have a check mark, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.080 So at first I'm like, is this a fake account? 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:50.600 But then I went and looked at a lot of followers, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.199 but CNN PR team, the CNN PR team tweets from 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.520 their account. Don Lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.679 He was offered an opportunity to meet with management but 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.240 instead released a statement on Twitter. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.879 So yeah, so Don Lemon. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:08.560 That did later kind of get verified. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.320 It was a real account and Don Lemon. So Don 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.800 Lemon got fired, and obviously they offered him an olive 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.960 branch to like, let's go peacefully. Don took his last 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.440 final shot by trying to, you know, get out first 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.560 and say he was shocked. He was surprised. What shocked 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.040 me about Don Lemon's statement was that he said, you know, basically, 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.119 he said he couldn't see this coming. There was the 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.439 Nicky Hayley stuff where he said, you know, women are 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:33.280 past their prime. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.960 Well and again, well, let's talk business more so ratings. Yeah, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.119 I mean, he'd been his primetime show had been not 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.160 doing well, he'd been moved to this morning show. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.399 Right, technically, he said, it wasn't a demotion. But you 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.919 don't get moved from primetime where Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.080 everybody that the big hitters are in prime. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.560 You get moved from having your own show in primetime 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.680 to being one of three co hosts on a morning show. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.960 That's an emotion, right, And so then that morning show 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.840 was not doing well, not well at all, and I can't, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.640 I mean done. Lemon's got to be a big paycheck 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.159 at CNN at this point. So I was like, okay, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.160 when again, from a business perspective, I'm not whatever anybody's 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.400 politics are. If you're not getting good ratings, you've got 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.440 to be one of the biggest paychecks CNN is paying 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.080 out over there. And then on top of it, you're 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.080 offending your female co hosts. And I mean there have 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.200 been rumors and other reports about the way he's behaved 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.240 over the years in kind of a diva way behind 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.560 the scenes. I was surprised he was still there. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.640 A lot of stories have come out about his behavior 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.960 towards you know, co female co hosts. He just had. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.600 He's had several controversial moments on air. It wasn't just 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.000 the Nicki Haley thing, because you're right, the Nicki Haley 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.160 thing alone, where he said women are past their prime 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.840 or have it whatever? That alone. If you are killing 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.720 it and ratings are high and the money's flooding in 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.720 Lauren's right, that's not going to get you fired, whether 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.919 you think it should or shouldn't. That's just the life 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.399 we live in and the world we live in. 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.200 Business wise, you were savvy and saying that, oh, they 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.760 slipped this news in right after the Tucker Carlson. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.320 Right there, the most least shocking news. So someone said, Wow, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.600 what a crazy day, What a coincidence. I'm like, there 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.480 are no coincidences like this in our business. This was calculated, 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.119 this was planned. It wouldn't have shocked me at all. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.199