Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Chris Harrison, Lauren Zeema coming to you from
Speaker 1: the Gloomy Home office in Austin, Texas. We begin today
Speaker 1: with some very sad news. Legendary Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 1: judge Lynn Goodman has died just shy of his seventy
Speaker 1: ninth birthday. Lynn had been diagnosed been battling bone cancer.
Speaker 1: He died surrounded by his family, his wife Sue, and
Speaker 1: his son James. Lynn was someone who he had been
Speaker 1: with the show for seventeen years. He was one of
Speaker 1: the first judges and came on when the show began
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. Very beloved figure. Even when
Speaker 1: he was kind of snarky or kind of tough on people,
Speaker 1: everybody loved. He was just this English gentleman that everybody
Speaker 1: really loved and admired, and they made everybody smile.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is someone who more perfectly critiqued,
Speaker 2: because even when he critiqued, you respected his opinion. That's
Speaker 2: the thing. You never felt like. It wasn't like I
Speaker 2: think the dancer sometimes felt he was so hard on them,
Speaker 2: you know, and that was where some of that conflict
Speaker 2: came from, but he was almost like that father figure
Speaker 2: that they also wanted to impress. They would all tell
Speaker 2: me when I covered the show that, well, if you
Speaker 2: get that good score from Len, you know, you know
Speaker 2: it means it, and you know that it means something.
Speaker 2: And they were always trying to work for those scores
Speaker 2: from Len, even though they'd all been frustrated with him
Speaker 2: at different points. And you and I really wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about this because I think when we both woke
Speaker 2: up to this news, we both, I mean, your heart
Speaker 2: sinks a little bit because we both felt such fund
Speaker 2: memories of him. I mean, I covered the show for years,
Speaker 2: and you'd covered it, you'd been there. You and I
Speaker 2: had gone and sat in the audience of Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars a couple times to support Hannah Brown one
Speaker 2: time together, and I just, I mean, I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that he was with his family. And there's actually this
Speaker 2: really sweet story. I guess in an interview last year,
Speaker 2: he had said he had actually predicted. He'd said, well,
Speaker 2: my dad passed at seventy nine, and I love the
Speaker 2: way he went, and he went, you know, surrounded by
Speaker 2: what he loved, and if I go that way I'm
Speaker 2: okay with it. So I just feel like he lived
Speaker 2: a beautiful, full life and I think you know you
Speaker 2: and I also felt like there's so much more to
Speaker 2: say about Len.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to do that. We do have
Speaker 1: a lot more to say, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have things they would love to share
Speaker 1: and talk about Lynn Goodman, and we're going to do that.
Speaker 1: We're going to drop a very special Lynn Goodman episode
Speaker 1: of the most dramatic podcast ever. His life, his legacy,
Speaker 1: his memories on Dancing with the Stars, and what he
Speaker 1: meant to everybody. So look for that. The most dramatic
Speaker 1: podcast ever Lynn Goodman will drop very soon. Shocking news
Speaker 1: yesterday in the world of cable TV news, First Fox
Speaker 1: announced that Tucker Carlson was fired and would be leaving
Speaker 1: the network immediately. He would not be passing go, he
Speaker 1: would not collect two hundred dollars, He would not have
Speaker 1: a goodbye show. He would not be giving a farewell speed.
Speaker 1: His last show has already aired. He is gone and removed.
Speaker 1: This was an absolute shocker to everybody yesterday.
Speaker 2: This was wild. I mean, like you and again like
Speaker 2: the Big News Day, and you and I both I
Speaker 2: think our journalism roots come out and we're like, whoa
Speaker 2: big news day, breaking news day. And the Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: announcement was shocking to me. Of course, we're going to
Speaker 2: get into Don Lemmon being let go from CNN, and
Speaker 2: that was much less shocking to me. But Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 2: I mean, we just come off this news of the
Speaker 2: big Fox lawsuit settlement with Dominion voting Fox settled. There
Speaker 2: was supposed to be this big trial because Dominion was
Speaker 2: accusing Fox of hurting their brand, of spreading false information
Speaker 2: about them, and then Fox ends up not going to trial,
Speaker 2: settling for seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars, the
Speaker 2: biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And everybody defamation is
Speaker 2: something that is hard to prove, so notoriously a lot
Speaker 2: of the time these cases don't go to trial or
Speaker 2: they you know, I guess you can hope for a settlement.
Speaker 2: This is the biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And
Speaker 2: so the news of Tucker Carlson being I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess fired, right, he.
Speaker 1: Was fired, yes, one hundred percent being let go.
Speaker 2: After that, of course people are connecting the two.
Speaker 1: Well. I think initially people started connecting that this had
Speaker 1: something to do with the dominion settlement and the fact
Speaker 1: that Tucker was listed and he would be, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the witnesses, et cetera. And there are other
Speaker 1: lawsuits pending as well after this defamation. There's other people
Speaker 1: in line. So there's more to come for Fox. But
Speaker 1: as people started digging into this, it really had more
Speaker 1: to do with Rupert Murdoch and Tucker Carlson stepping out
Speaker 1: of line and crossing the big red line, the conservative line,
Speaker 1: and going against basically the Fox talking points.
Speaker 2: The reports are coming out that Rupert Murdoch, head of Everything, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Fox didn't like the way that Tucker covered the January
Speaker 2: sixth yats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his conspiracy theories and all the things he went with.
Speaker 2: And there was something else he didn't like that way,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 1: Really kind of went after this one figure Ray EPs
Speaker 1: sixty minutes did a big story on that.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm lacking on something. I don't watch Succession,
Speaker 2: but it just sounds like it's real.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Succession is HBO. Check it out.
Speaker 1: It is. I'm going to say, yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: run through my memory bank. It's the best show on
Speaker 1: TV right now. I think by fall.
Speaker 2: No, that's what everyone says. And this is on me.
Speaker 2: If I have to binge it, I am lacking. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm going to love it when I binge it,
Speaker 2: and I'm behind.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know, for the Lauren Zemas of
Speaker 1: the world, it is a story of this family, this
Speaker 1: unbelievably rich family that owns I mean, it's torn out
Speaker 1: of the pages of Fox. It's Rupert Murdoch and it's
Speaker 1: the Murdoch family and they have the kind of evil,
Speaker 1: maniacal overlord father, and then you have the kids who
Speaker 1: are really don't have any redeemable qualities about them either,
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of climbing on each other and
Speaker 1: stabbing each other in the back to try and gain
Speaker 1: power in the empire. Anyway, long story short, Two things. One,
Speaker 1: Succession is spectacular. You must watch it. Number two, Rupert Murdoch.
Speaker 1: This is I don't know if it's art imitating life
Speaker 1: or life imitating art. I mean, but this is happening.
Speaker 1: This is the crazy man from Succession torpedoing his own network.
Speaker 1: Because look, guys, I know people on the left, even
Speaker 1: you know, the silly display of the ladies on the
Speaker 1: view yesterday singing no, no, no, no goodbye and doing the
Speaker 1: wave and all that. So people on the left are rejoicing,
Speaker 1: people on the right are angry. If you have no
Speaker 1: dog in this fight, you're just going to look at
Speaker 1: this from the analytics and the business side. Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: is easily the most successful television show I would say
Speaker 1: on TV right now. He gets three million viewers a night.
Speaker 1: To put that in perspective, that is bigger than most
Speaker 1: primetime shows, not to dog on the Bachelor. That's much
Speaker 1: bigger than the Bachelor gets once a week on their show.
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's getting that every night, three million viewers. So
Speaker 1: he is the one hundred million pound gorilla in the
Speaker 1: room at Fox.
Speaker 2: I was also reading and listening to a few podcasts
Speaker 2: yesterday that he had a pretty sizable by cable news
Speaker 2: standards younger demographic, which is so critical when it comes
Speaker 2: to advertising dollars that younger audience, and to be honest,
Speaker 2: cable news could use some younger viewers. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it drives home to me like I'd never turn on
Speaker 2: Fox or CNN or anything anymore. I don't turn on
Speaker 2: unless maybe something crazy breaking happens, like when the riots happened.
Speaker 2: I turned on CNN to cover that or to follow that.
Speaker 2: But like for sure, your kids, college kids, they're not
Speaker 2: flipping on CNN.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
Speaker 2: Ever, No, So that that is what I think you
Speaker 2: and I were talking about the most is the fact
Speaker 2: that and I don't know what it says about Rupert
Speaker 2: Murdoch if it says that he is incredibly confident or
Speaker 2: incredibly stupid, but that he just got rid of his
Speaker 2: biggest ratings star. I mean, I think in most people's minds,
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson and Fox News are fairly synonymous with each
Speaker 2: other at the well.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because they went through this before with
Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly, who had some allegations against him and he
Speaker 1: was let go as well, and everyone thought, Okay, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's the end of Fox. And now seemingly it happens
Speaker 1: again with Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2: But and it wasn't, by the way, it wasn't the
Speaker 2: end of Fox.
Speaker 1: When any means and so, look, is everybody replaceable. We're
Speaker 1: about to find out. You know, Fox will survive, They'll
Speaker 1: go on and do something. But Fox really and again
Speaker 1: this isn't taking sides. This has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: partisan politics whatsoever. I'm just giving you the facts Fox News.
Speaker 1: And this is why CNN, MSNBC, everybody goes after them
Speaker 1: so hard they dominate. It's the ratings and the money
Speaker 1: aren't even comparable. CNN is a barely a blip on
Speaker 1: the radar. They barely exist anymore. MSNBC isn't far behind.
Speaker 1: But if you go look at the ratings, which I
Speaker 1: do often, you'll see I don't know, five to ten
Speaker 1: Fox shows and then you get down to a Rachel Maddow,
Speaker 1: you get down to these other shows of Don Lemon,
Speaker 1: and they are far far down the list on the ratings.
Speaker 1: And so that's why everybody's rejoicing is I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just a good feather in their cap because it
Speaker 1: gives them a chance to succeed well.
Speaker 2: By the way, as much as I'm saying biggest defamation
Speaker 2: settlement in history, I also read yesterday on the Hill
Speaker 2: in an article where they were kind of talking about
Speaker 2: the Tucker Carlson thing, that Fox made two point eight
Speaker 2: billion dollars last year. Son hundred and eighty seven million
Speaker 2: isn't nothing. And also they're facing another lawsuit from a
Speaker 2: smartmatic a two point seven billion.
Speaker 1: I was the other one I was referring to, and
Speaker 1: that one could be deeper and more impactful. Actually, and
Speaker 1: now the precedent has been set, so people are saying
Speaker 1: that could be big on the horizon.
Speaker 2: The precedent of a huge settle. So we'll see. I
Speaker 2: don't know what this means for Fox, but it's very
Speaker 2: Again Rupert Murdoch. I guess what everybody says about him
Speaker 2: is that when he's done with you, he's just like done.
Speaker 2: You know, you're gone. And that is what happened with
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson here. His last show was last Friday. He's
Speaker 2: not going to get to say goodbye. But it's also
Speaker 2: hard for me to not. We've said this before on
Speaker 2: the show. You guys, if you get a great ending
Speaker 2: at your job, you're lucky. I mean, I think this
Speaker 2: all the time. I see it the more and more
Speaker 2: as I grow up. It's not not everybody gets that
Speaker 2: retirement party and sailing off into the sunset. It very
Speaker 2: rarely happens. If things don't end well for you at work.
Speaker 2: Know that it's more than likely like that. Statistically overall,
Speaker 2: you're probably not gonna it's like a breakup. It happens
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 1: Very few get the farewell tour. Very few say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to retire this season and get to play
Speaker 1: this beautiful season and end up on top and you know,
Speaker 1: get that parade. Well, you're right. It usually does not
Speaker 1: end well. Like relationships, if it ends, it ends for
Speaker 1: a reason.
Speaker 2: And I have to say for both Fox and Again
Speaker 2: we'll get into don but they can't really give you
Speaker 2: a platform to go like, they can't fire you and
Speaker 2: then say and go ahead on your show on Monday
Speaker 2: and see whatever you want to.
Speaker 1: The viewers exactly do that. It is I will go back.
Speaker 1: And it does just go to show that this Rupert
Speaker 1: Murdoch is very much like lead character and succession. I
Speaker 1: mean he really just at the expense of whatever, he
Speaker 1: just will set fire to everything and he.
Speaker 2: Here's a part of me that kind of admires it.
Speaker 2: I wish I was that ballsy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you are an overlord
Speaker 1: and you are a dictator, that's what you get to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's his, it's his built the empire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, you know, when there's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing that I've watched happen in my lifetime because
Speaker 1: it happened at ESPN. And ESPN is struggling as well,
Speaker 1: and that is making stars. And these stars get so big,
Speaker 1: do they get too big and too powerful? That partly
Speaker 1: came into play for my situation as well. Back when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, there was Dan Patrick, there was Overman,
Speaker 1: there were all these stars. Stuart Scott was brilliant, and
Speaker 1: these guys became huge, and you would watch Sports Center
Speaker 1: on ESPN more so to see the Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 1: or to see Keith Ober whatever. Chris Berman was another one,
Speaker 1: and Chris is kind of hung around. But ESPN made
Speaker 1: a concerted effort to retire all these people, fire all
Speaker 1: these people, or just not renew their contracts as they
Speaker 1: came up, to get rid of anybody who had star
Speaker 1: power who could hold them over a barrel during negotiations,
Speaker 1: and that was a big deal. Now they have Scott
Speaker 1: Van Pelt SVP, who is I think fantastic, and he's
Speaker 1: the only really name brand left at ESPN that has
Speaker 1: his own kind of brand and show, and this is
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing at Fox. I think his
Speaker 1: thing is I can make a star. It's me, not them.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, I mean again, it's a good
Speaker 2: business sense. I will say, Look, as much as I
Speaker 2: loved my family at Entertainment Tonight, they're at my work.
Speaker 2: Family were Look, Mary Hart was synonymous with entertainment Tonight.
Speaker 1: People still think she's there.
Speaker 2: They still think she's there, and she left several years
Speaker 2: ago before I even started. It's got to be about
Speaker 2: ten years or more by now, if not more than
Speaker 2: ten years. And I don't think that the people in
Speaker 2: business affairs wanted anybody else to get that big. You know,
Speaker 2: when we would go into negotiations, I mean it was mental.
Speaker 2: It was you know, there are a lot of other
Speaker 2: people that want this job. There's a lot of other
Speaker 2: people who could do this job. And they didn't want
Speaker 2: you to become this big star because yeah, again that
Speaker 2: just meant they'd have to pay you more money. They
Speaker 2: wanted Entertainment Tonight to be I mean, we would be
Speaker 2: sort of trained that when you're going into an interview,
Speaker 2: you are entertainment Tonight.
Speaker 1: This is huge for Tucker Carlson, This is huge for
Speaker 1: his fans. This guy has three million viewers a day.
Speaker 1: If you don't think he's not walking across the street
Speaker 1: starting his own network, joining I don't know whoever else
Speaker 1: is out there and crushing it. You're crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, also, we're not even talking about the fact
Speaker 2: that they did this and there's an election next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: To lose you again, your fate. You just paid this
Speaker 2: huge settlement, you're facing another lawsuit, it's an election, you're
Speaker 2: coming up, and you fired your biggest start.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you just hit on Okay, I hate to say.
Speaker 1: Now we have one more point. You hit on a
Speaker 1: very important point. Who does Rupert Murdock love and who
Speaker 1: does he probably want to be? President? Donald Trump? Who
Speaker 1: came out with some really nasty tweets, text messages, whatever
Speaker 1: it was that he did not like Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: not in his camp. That was Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2: So there were some text leak texts leaked Tucker saying
Speaker 2: he thought Trump in the White House was a disaster.
Speaker 1: The fact that Trump is in line, he's leading really
Speaker 1: really strongly in all the polls, and Rupert Murdoch is
Speaker 1: firmly in the Trump camp. Fox will be firmly in
Speaker 1: the Trump camp. Tucker Carlson again had already crossed that line.
Speaker 1: Was not going along with all the talking points, and
Speaker 1: so I think that had a lot to do with
Speaker 1: it as well, although I.
Speaker 2: Will say Trump was still supportive of him. I had
Speaker 2: to look this up because I thought i'd seen this headline.
Speaker 2: During an interview on Newsmax late Monday night, Donald Trump said,
Speaker 2: I was shocked. I'm surprised. He's a very good person,
Speaker 2: a very good man, and very talented. I can hear
Speaker 2: his whist in my head, and he had very high ratings.
Speaker 2: He's been a Trump well, who can't do it Trump?
Speaker 2: He's been terrific, especially over the last year or so.
Speaker 2: He's been terrific to me. So Trump, I mean, maybe smartly.
Speaker 2: They're not slamming Carlson, not saying good he was fired,
Speaker 2: not all that I would imagine. I'm totally guessing here,
Speaker 2: but I would imagine Trump knows Carlson's power and knows
Speaker 2: he's going to go start something on his own. I've
Speaker 2: got an election coming up next year, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to stand on the good side. You're right, So, I mean,
Speaker 2: the truth is, whatever texts were leaked, I think Carlson
Speaker 2: and Trump have very similar audiences, so it's smart for
Speaker 2: them to stay in each other's orbit.
Speaker 1: That is not over. We will see where Tucker Carlson lands,
Speaker 1: and I imagine it'll come out pretty quickly where he
Speaker 1: will move in the least surprising announcement in the least
Speaker 1: in the cable news world. It was a bit of
Speaker 1: a shock that had happened, just because I think we
Speaker 1: thought it was probably gonna happen at some point. You
Speaker 1: just didn't know it was going to happen yesterday. But
Speaker 1: CNN fired Don Lemon. Finally. I mean, how this guy
Speaker 1: had been surviving for this long, considering what he has
Speaker 1: done and what he's gotten away with. But finally, you know,
Speaker 1: I think CNN capitalized off the huge news of Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson and they went ahead and announced that Don Lemon
Speaker 1: was fired from CNN. It was a bit of a
Speaker 1: roller coaster for CNN as they tried to graciously let
Speaker 1: Don Lemon exit in base say, as that you often
Speaker 1: do in a press release, we wish him the best,
Speaker 1: we are parting ways. Don Lemon quickly jumped on social
Speaker 1: media and released a statement saying that after all this time,
Speaker 1: all the work he had done, he was shocked that
Speaker 1: nobody gave him the courtesy of after being there seventeen
Speaker 1: years the courtesy of a call from a manager one
Speaker 1: of his executives, and CNN quickly fired back.
Speaker 2: My favorite part about CNN firing back is that I
Speaker 2: didn't know if it was real or not for a
Speaker 2: minute because Elon Musk took away everybody's blue check mark.
Speaker 1: So that's funny.
Speaker 2: I saw this tweet from CNN. It is from CNN's
Speaker 2: communications account at CNNPR, but they didn't have a check mark,
Speaker 2: So at first I'm like, is this a fake account?
Speaker 2: But then I went and looked at a lot of followers,
Speaker 2: but CNN PR team, the CNN PR team tweets from
Speaker 2: their account. Don Lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate.
Speaker 2: He was offered an opportunity to meet with management but
Speaker 2: instead released a statement on Twitter.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Don Lemon.
Speaker 2: That did later kind of get verified.
Speaker 1: It was a real account and Don Lemon. So Don
Speaker 1: Lemon got fired, and obviously they offered him an olive
Speaker 1: branch to like, let's go peacefully. Don took his last
Speaker 1: final shot by trying to, you know, get out first
Speaker 1: and say he was shocked. He was surprised. What shocked
Speaker 1: me about Don Lemon's statement was that he said, you know, basically,
Speaker 1: he said he couldn't see this coming. There was the
Speaker 1: Nicky Hayley stuff where he said, you know, women are
Speaker 1: past their prime.
Speaker 2: Well and again, well, let's talk business more so ratings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd been his primetime show had been not
Speaker 2: doing well, he'd been moved to this morning show.
Speaker 1: Right, technically, he said, it wasn't a demotion. But you
Speaker 1: don't get moved from primetime where Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow,
Speaker 1: everybody that the big hitters are in prime.
Speaker 2: You get moved from having your own show in primetime
Speaker 2: to being one of three co hosts on a morning show.
Speaker 2: That's an emotion, right, And so then that morning show
Speaker 2: was not doing well, not well at all, and I can't,
Speaker 2: I mean done. Lemon's got to be a big paycheck
Speaker 2: at CNN at this point. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: when again, from a business perspective, I'm not whatever anybody's
Speaker 2: politics are. If you're not getting good ratings, you've got
Speaker 2: to be one of the biggest paychecks CNN is paying
Speaker 2: out over there. And then on top of it, you're
Speaker 2: offending your female co hosts. And I mean there have
Speaker 2: been rumors and other reports about the way he's behaved
Speaker 2: over the years in kind of a diva way behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. I was surprised he was still there.
Speaker 1: A lot of stories have come out about his behavior
Speaker 1: towards you know, co female co hosts. He just had.
Speaker 1: He's had several controversial moments on air. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: the Nicki Haley thing, because you're right, the Nicki Haley
Speaker 1: thing alone, where he said women are past their prime
Speaker 1: or have it whatever? That alone. If you are killing
Speaker 1: it and ratings are high and the money's flooding in
Speaker 1: Lauren's right, that's not going to get you fired, whether
Speaker 1: you think it should or shouldn't. That's just the life
Speaker 1: we live in and the world we live in.
Speaker 2: Business wise, you were savvy and saying that, oh, they
Speaker 2: slipped this news in right after the Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: Right there, the most least shocking news. So someone said, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a crazy day, What a coincidence. I'm like, there
Speaker 1: are no coincidences like this in our business. This was calculated,
Speaker 1: this was planned. It wouldn't have shocked me at all.
Speaker 1: Because it's a small world. It probably got out that
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson was being fired and it was going to
Speaker 1: happen Monday, and so CNN had their ducks in a
Speaker 1: row and they were ready to go with Don Lemon.
Speaker 1: The fact that it came out a little bit after
Speaker 1: the news cycle, and you know, the Don Lemon stuff
Speaker 1: came out a little bit later in the day, they
Speaker 1: were just kind of trying to slip it in, because really,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to just slip this in, you would
Speaker 1: have waited till Friday afternoon. Which that shocked me about
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson is that it came out early Monday morning.
Speaker 1: That is when you want it to make news. That
Speaker 1: is Rupert Murdoch saying, I want this to make headlines.
Speaker 1: I don't care. CNN was just riding on the wave
Speaker 1: and hoping there was so much noise about Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 1: which there was, that they could just kind of slip
Speaker 1: under the radar.
Speaker 2: You're right, that's your Murdoch saying shots fired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is an FU to Tucker Carlson. It's
Speaker 1: an f you to everybody who loved him, who wanted
Speaker 1: him on the air, because you don't announce things super
Speaker 1: early on a Monday morning unless you want it to
Speaker 1: be big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bury it on a Friday, you let it
Speaker 2: kind of hopefully people miss it a little bit over
Speaker 2: the weekend. It doesn't pack as much of a punch.
Speaker 2: It's just like when celebrities announced the divorce.
Speaker 1: When did mine was on a Friday afternoon at five o'clock.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Don Lemon's future now. Look, I
Speaker 2: got to say, I actually, years ago, I used to
Speaker 2: like Don Lemon a lot. I respected him a lot,
Speaker 2: I liked him a lot. I can't exactly pinpoint where
Speaker 2: that changed for me, but I do think he got,
Speaker 2: you know, caught up in the like I used to
Speaker 2: watch CNN, and I think CNN was trying to be
Speaker 2: like Fox and be opinionated. I can't handle watching five
Speaker 2: people screaming at each other on what's supposed to be
Speaker 2: a news broadcast, and like it gives me a headache.
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch it. It just wasn't the
Speaker 2: news to me anymore, and I stopped watching for me personally,
Speaker 2: I think Don Lemon got caught up in that. Where
Speaker 2: he's going to go from here, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I do know that he doesn't have that same power
Speaker 2: that Tucker Carlson does.
Speaker 1: Clearly like you said, Tucker Carlson three million viewers. He
Speaker 1: is the highest rated, just dominant force in television. Don
Speaker 1: Lemon was on a sinking ship. He had been demoted.
Speaker 1: His show was I mean not great. I mean just
Speaker 1: look at the ratings. This is not a personal take
Speaker 1: on it. It's just the truth. Now, if you thought
Speaker 1: you couldn't tie these two things together, and these two
Speaker 1: people together, Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon, you're thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: these we're talking extreme right, extreme left, these guys political,
Speaker 1: they couldn't be further apart. Well, guess what they're together.
Speaker 1: That's right. Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon have the same lawyer, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Both gentlemen have lawyered up quickly. By end of business Monday,
Speaker 1: when all this was announced, Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: had both hired power attorney Brian Friedman, a familiar man
Speaker 1: to you, a very familiar man. He handled a certain
Speaker 1: situation I was in at one time, but also known
Speaker 1: for handling Megan Kelly, and Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: are tight. So no doubt that that was probably the
Speaker 1: connection there. Gabrielle Union so pualmo.
Speaker 2: I believe has retained Brian.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's working with Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 2: So Brian's really carving out a niche he really televisions.
Speaker 1: He is kind of he's he's the batman. That's what
Speaker 1: people put up, the bat signal, and they go to
Speaker 1: Brian Friedman and he's good, He's very good. And so look,
Speaker 1: I got to say, how funny is that that? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, these two guys that probably talked about each
Speaker 1: other many times and got after each other, and you know,
Speaker 1: in these fights on cable news, and they're now sharing
Speaker 1: the same lawyer and really sharing the same fight. And honestly,
Speaker 1: these cases kind of probably have a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: And so as one goes, maybe the other one goes.
Speaker 1: As far as a settlement, do you.
Speaker 2: Think either or both of them could get settlements.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It seems like CNN
Speaker 1: has a very strong public case against Don Lemon. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the sentiment is, what legally they have
Speaker 1: on Tecker Carlson, because while you know, there's the dominion stuff,
Speaker 1: there's all these other talking points. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: stuff was so muddled over there at Fox.
Speaker 2: I hadn't read that he was still in the middle
Speaker 2: of a contract, like he's had years left Donna's contract, Tucker,
Speaker 2: So I could see him getting a payout of the
Speaker 2: rest of his contract unless they've got something on him.
Speaker 1: But can they can they can they pin all of
Speaker 1: this legal stuff on him? You know, is he's escapegoat
Speaker 1: for the dominion stuff and for the you know, the
Speaker 1: pending defamation suits possibly. You know that his has just
Speaker 1: been so kind of quiet. It's hard to know legally
Speaker 1: what they may have on him. But Don Lemon's has
Speaker 1: been very public because he's been doing it himself on
Speaker 1: the show for so.
Speaker 2: Long then, I mean, has been saying stuff probably and.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of complaints as well against Don
Speaker 1: Lemon behind the scenes. I know at CNN he's not
Speaker 1: a very popular figure.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of feet in the fire with
Speaker 2: both of them. But I'm really just again, when it
Speaker 2: comes back to the ratings, I was shocked far more
Speaker 2: by the Tucker Carlson news. And it'll be really interesting
Speaker 2: to see where Fox goes from here. I mean, they
Speaker 2: have a lot of other very polarizing personalities. We're coming
Speaker 2: up on an election year. Who will they bring in
Speaker 2: to quote unquote replaced Tucker the way he replaced Bill O'Reilly.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and nobody will say this over there,
Speaker 1: but look, that leaves a huge hole at the top,
Speaker 1: and it very rarely happens in this business. Huge. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of prime slot when you are talent
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're waiting for your moment,
Speaker 1: you're waiting for your time. Believe me, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of excited people. There's a lot of agents on the
Speaker 1: phone this morning, calling Fox, calling around. There's people from
Speaker 1: other networks calling Fox and pitching. So the you know,
Speaker 1: if you think the funeral lasts long, it does not.
Speaker 1: There are people already making those calls in vying for
Speaker 1: those spots. Same goes for Don Lemon. You know, is
Speaker 1: that a coveted spot, not as coveted as primetime, but
Speaker 1: it's a great spot to get on CNN and start
Speaker 1: the morning show. So believe me, talent, we may publicly
Speaker 1: say they're sorry and sad, but they also see opportunity
Speaker 1: when there's blood in the water.
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about just now, and
Speaker 2: I don't even know the answer. Who replaced t J
Speaker 2: Holmes and Amy Roebuck.
Speaker 1: Is that show still on the air. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: no idea, yeah, gm A three or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know idea right, and no one talks about it.
Speaker 1: It's not been seen or heard from. Again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Speaking of people that may need legal help. Country megastar
Speaker 1: Morgan Wallin So he was doing a show at Old
Speaker 1: Myth the other night and he canceled because he lost
Speaker 1: his voice. This is not something that's crazy, out of
Speaker 1: the blue or new. This happens to performers all the time.
Speaker 1: What made this different is that the show actually went on,
Speaker 1: the warm up acts performed, everybody was there at the stadium,
Speaker 1: the show was happening, and then he pulled out that
Speaker 1: is actually pretty rare. I talked to some people in
Speaker 1: country music that it's pretty rare that you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: already announced before the show to stop people from coming.
Speaker 1: The fact that the show is already happening, that was
Speaker 1: what made this very interesting and fans as much as
Speaker 1: people love Morgan walland by the way, he is the
Speaker 1: hottest thing. He is the biggest ticket. He is the
Speaker 1: biggest money maker in country music right now, hands down
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: I think he just set a record the other day
Speaker 2: with his what music. He is at the top of
Speaker 2: Billboard and.
Speaker 1: Printing it. He's printing money killing it well.
Speaker 2: But of course this is the crazy thing is that
Speaker 2: he announced. It's like a big paragraph comes up on
Speaker 2: a screen at the show that Morgan's lost his voice
Speaker 2: and won't be coming out. People had already been they
Speaker 2: bought drinks, they'd bought merchandise. They're standing there waiting, and
Speaker 2: that is why everybody's so mad. And I mean, now,
Speaker 2: some of it's a little bit funny, like somebody tweeted
Speaker 2: they rode up their bill for Morgan Wallan because this
Speaker 2: big paragraph that came up on screen said you will
Speaker 2: be refunded, yes, for the tickets. But this person wrote
Speaker 2: out on social media, Morgan Wallan, since you're offering refunds,
Speaker 2: here's our itemized bill for you. Hotel five hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty dollars, gas eighty dollars, tickets sixteen hundred dollars. Dang
Speaker 2: my outfit one hundred and twenty dollars. Husband's outfit two
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen dollars. Wow, the hubby got a better
Speaker 2: outfit for he spent more to eighteen He got the
Speaker 2: boots dinner two thirty five, Cracker Barrel dinner forty dollars.
Speaker 1: Wait, dinner and Cracker Barrel were.
Speaker 2: Going well, so it was one dinner. I never heard
Speaker 2: of the Oxford grill house.
Speaker 1: That must be in they're for miss yeah, because they're
Speaker 1: at all miss but Crackerbail.
Speaker 2: They spent last forty bucks loose parileros forty five dollars.
Speaker 2: I butchered that pronunciation.
Speaker 1: They ate a lot. They went to three meals.
Speaker 2: Hey, they were there.
Speaker 1: For a long time. We're here for a good time.
Speaker 2: Drinks at the concert two twenty Damn Morgan Wallen merched
Speaker 2: two thirty five for a grand total of three nine
Speaker 2: and eighty two dollars.
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the cracker Bail thing kind of cracked
Speaker 2: me up because it's like, well, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: it's just so specific.
Speaker 1: We what stood up to me there? The husband spent
Speaker 1: more money. There was at least three meals. They spent
Speaker 1: about three hundred bucks on drinks. But it also goes
Speaker 1: to show God, these these concerts these days. I don't
Speaker 1: know how anybody can go the Taylor Swift concerts.
Speaker 2: Well, look, we were those parents. We were by the way,
Speaker 2: we didn't have any big connections for Taylor Swift, but
Speaker 2: we wanted to get your daughter tickets for her birthday,
Speaker 2: you and I and her mom, and we were all
Speaker 2: in our laptops trying to get the tickets and we
Speaker 2: were we spent I think we spent seven hundred dollars
Speaker 2: each on the tickets, two tickets.
Speaker 1: It's expensive, it is. Concerts are just well, that's how.
Speaker 2: Artists make their money today, right, because they don't sell albums,
Speaker 2: so they got to make it touring, and it's in
Speaker 2: some ways horrible for them. It's exhausting. They got to
Speaker 2: do more and more shows, and it can be a
Speaker 2: lot of artists, you know, are very mentally drained and
Speaker 2: end up having a cut concerts short for that reason.
Speaker 2: It's physically draining. They train for it like athletes trained for,
Speaker 2: you know, to play sports. But I did, you know,
Speaker 2: and as much as we might like be like, this
Speaker 2: is all very specific. And one other wild part is
Speaker 2: somebody's already filed a lawsuit. This just happened like twenty
Speaker 2: four to thirty six hours ago, and someone's already filed
Speaker 2: a lawsuit against Morgan Wallen. But I will say I
Speaker 2: did take issue with this. You gotta know sooner than
Speaker 2: minutes before you're supposed to go on, right, How do
Speaker 2: you at least not announce earlier that afternoon or before
Speaker 2: the whole show begins? What are you doing back there
Speaker 2: to your voice?
Speaker 1: Like he said, I'm so.
Speaker 2: Esteem and hoping for the best.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I promise you, guys. I tried everything
Speaker 1: I could. And look, there are rumors about that maybe
Speaker 1: there was some other reason he couldn't go on, but
Speaker 1: you I could see that where it's close, you also
Speaker 1: can get shots. You get steroid shots. And because I've
Speaker 1: done that before, I've lost my voice and I've gotten
Speaker 1: a steroid.
Speaker 2: Shot to the neck. Where do they put it?
Speaker 1: No, it's in your butt. And the idea it'll help
Speaker 1: the inflammation, because that's what it is when you're when
Speaker 1: your vocal cords are inflamed and you can't sing, and
Speaker 1: so it will reduce that inflammation. It doesn't fix everything,
Speaker 1: but it can make it about fifty percent better. And
Speaker 1: it happens.
Speaker 2: So maybe he was hoping I can get there enough
Speaker 2: to just perform, and.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he had doctors there if this was
Speaker 1: indeed the case, you know, and he thought, just give
Speaker 1: me some time, give me some time. You know, we
Speaker 1: can probably pull this off. And it wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: his best show, but it you know, and he could
Speaker 1: have maybe slipped some tracks in here and there. So
Speaker 1: there's some tricks of the trade to get through a show.
Speaker 1: But unfortunate And look, is this going to hurt Morgan Wallen? No, No,
Speaker 1: I just won't stick on him. But this is his base.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an Oxford. I mean he's at Old
Speaker 1: Miss that is as deep south as you can get.
Speaker 1: Those are his people. So you know, if one of
Speaker 1: these instances happens, not a big deal, most people will
Speaker 1: forgive them. And these lawsuits are all kind of trivial
Speaker 1: and they're funny to talk about on a podcast. If
Speaker 1: this happens repeatedly, then you'll see some chinks in the armor.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking of Adele when she cancel her
Speaker 2: Vegas residency the night before it was supposed to start.
Speaker 2: And look, I am an Adele fan, but I didn't
Speaker 2: think that was cool. The problem is people have traveled
Speaker 2: and just like that woman said on her bill, they've
Speaker 2: spent money on hotels and airline tickets and gas, and
Speaker 2: I mean with Adele, people had obviously gone to Vegas
Speaker 2: to see this. Very few people lived in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Six months in advance. Now here's in advance. This is
Speaker 1: a planned out event, and.
Speaker 2: It's not just the cost of the tats that you
Speaker 2: need reimburse that's the problem. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: remember what ended up happening with Adele in the way
Speaker 2: she reimbursed people, But it's an interesting question if an artist.
Speaker 2: I mean, Adele was very open. She said, I'm just
Speaker 2: not doing the show because it's not the typest show
Speaker 2: I want to do. It's not coming together the way
Speaker 2: I want it. I don't know what she ended up
Speaker 2: reimbursing people for, but part of me kind of thinks,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people have a legitimate claim
Speaker 2: if they've paid for hotels and airline tickets, that you
Speaker 2: should pay them for more than just the price of
Speaker 2: the concert going ticket. It's not completely off base to
Speaker 2: me so anyway, But it didn't hurt Adele in the
Speaker 2: long run. She's back doing her residency and I want
Speaker 2: to see it. I've heard it's amazing she's extended it.
Speaker 2: I don't think this will hurt Morgan Wallen in the
Speaker 2: long run, let's get into the most dramatic corner of entertainment.
Speaker 2: There is.
Speaker 1: I that you're going to say, Kardashians.
Speaker 2: Oh that too. This story brings you both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's when worlds collide. That's when you know
Speaker 1: you have a big story. The Theata, the Kardashian which.
Speaker 2: This might be the first time it's happened, so musical theater.
Speaker 2: I can't Patti Lapone, She's a very opinionated woman, which
Speaker 2: I love about her, but I don't agree with her
Speaker 2: on this one. Kim Kardashian, In case she missed it,
Speaker 2: it's been announced that she will be playing a guest
Speaker 2: starring part on a new season of the hit show
Speaker 2: American Horror Story. Patti Lapone asked about this on Watcher
Speaker 2: Rappins Live, and she slammed the idea. She said, Kim,
Speaker 2: what are you doing with your life? Which I felt
Speaker 2: like was a pretty big existential question over a guest
Speaker 2: starring role on a TV show, which I would say,
Speaker 2: Kim's killing it, And she said that this upsets her
Speaker 2: because she thinks that it's taking away parts from more
Speaker 2: established actors. She's not okay with it. Kim, what are
Speaker 2: you doing with your life. I don't have a problem
Speaker 2: with this. I just I agree with Patti Lapone completely
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian doing a guest starring role on a show.
Speaker 2: First of all, let's see what she does. Maybe Kim
Speaker 2: kills it. Maybe she does a great job with the part.
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to judge it after she's
Speaker 2: up there. If she absolutely sucks, then okay, you could say, wow,
Speaker 2: an actor could have had this part. But we don't
Speaker 2: know how it's going to go. And obviously American Horror
Speaker 2: Story is doing that for their own benefit to get
Speaker 2: to use Kim's name to get the show back in
Speaker 2: the headlines. So if you're blaming everybody, say to American
Speaker 2: Horror Story, wow she plugged. You're using a Kardashian to
Speaker 2: get your show publicity and you should be casting better actors.
Speaker 2: Why are we blaming Kim for this?
Speaker 1: What are you doing with your life? She's a billionaire
Speaker 1: and if it didn't come through on the podcast, that's
Speaker 1: a bee. She's a billionaire, so she hasn't made a
Speaker 1: lot of missteps financially or in the business world. And
Speaker 1: I completely agree that if first of all, this is
Speaker 1: not on Kim Kardashian. It's like if someone came to
Speaker 1: me from Jerry Jones calls and from the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: the owner says, hey, Chris, do you want to coach
Speaker 1: next year? Yeah? By the way, my answer is yes,
Speaker 1: I will be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: just because I get fifty yard line tickets and I
Speaker 1: get to watch every game. Now, am I going to suck? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: But that's on Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not on me.
Speaker 1: But I think about Kim the same way. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: using it for publicity. Great, Now how she approaches this,
Speaker 1: If you want to say, she's not putting her heart
Speaker 1: and soul in it. She's not showing up for practice,
Speaker 1: she's not working at this craft, she's not respecting the craft.
Speaker 1: Later you can come out and say those things and
Speaker 1: that she wasn't great and it wasn't a good call.
Speaker 1: But I agree right now to say who are you?
Speaker 1: What have you done? And this could be going to
Speaker 1: somebody else. You can always say that, you can always
Speaker 1: say it could go to someone who's better.
Speaker 2: Post That's a good point. You could say that with
Speaker 2: any acting, any active role, and Kim is historically puts
Speaker 2: I mean, she is a hard worker. When she did
Speaker 2: a Saturday Night Live, she took that so seriously. She
Speaker 2: called people for advice. She was putting in the hours.
Speaker 2: I mean, she worked her butt off, and she works
Speaker 2: her butt off whenever she takes something off.
Speaker 1: Knowing the Kardashians as little as I do, I know
Speaker 1: Chris better and I've talked to the others sparingly. They
Speaker 1: don't do anything half ass, right. They they go for
Speaker 1: it and they usually succeed. So I can't imagine she
Speaker 1: won't put her heart and soul in this. And it
Speaker 1: just reminded me of kind of early days of because
Speaker 1: there was one there was one quote in particular that
Speaker 1: really struck a chord with me about, you know, basically
Speaker 1: saying that there are other there's more important people, there's
Speaker 1: other actors that deserve this spot. And it reminded me
Speaker 1: of early days when The Bachelor launched and I would
Speaker 1: go to upfronts. Upfronts is this presentation where the network,
Speaker 1: you know, sells the shows to the advertisers and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And I remember back in the day it
Speaker 1: was Survivor and US and I didn't even think American
Speaker 1: Idol had started yet. But we were the pond scum
Speaker 1: of television. Reality TV was looked down upon. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: all of these actors, a lot of them, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of big names came after us and came
Speaker 1: out speaking against us of you are taking real jobs
Speaker 1: away from real actors, people that really respect this craft.
Speaker 1: And that happened for quite some time. I mean that
Speaker 1: lasted for the early two thousands when we came on
Speaker 1: and what two thousand and one, two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: probably through like two thousand and seven, I mean a
Speaker 1: good five six years before people finally saw and gave
Speaker 1: into this. But early on, I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: actors and by the way, ironically, actors that probably now
Speaker 1: host game shows, host reality shows, do their own thing,
Speaker 1: their own version of reality TV, were the ones talking
Speaker 1: about this. But I remember, man, we were just vilified
Speaker 1: early on, and again it was all because actors, you know,
Speaker 1: we were taking and I my whole thing was, they've
Speaker 1: never canceled a great show, a show that's doing phenomenal
Speaker 1: in the ratings to replace it with the reality show
Speaker 1: that's never never in the history. So true, it's good.
Speaker 2: It's going to stay on and right I wish I
Speaker 2: could remember the name of this actress's name I follow
Speaker 2: because Chris and I are both in the Union, the
Speaker 2: SAG After Union. I followed them on Instagram and they
Speaker 2: post some really good content with advice for actors for
Speaker 2: other actors, and I forget who it was, but she
Speaker 2: said this thing that has always stuck with me because
Speaker 2: I think it applies to life now. In actors and
Speaker 2: people in entertainment, you get a lot of rejection, right
Speaker 2: Like our business is a lot of because you're constantly
Speaker 2: auditioning or pitching shows and and you or you get
Speaker 2: the ratings and for your show every week. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of up and down reaction, rejection or or you're
Speaker 2: doing well. It's roller coaster. And she said that when
Speaker 2: she was auditioning, you know, she would find herself if
Speaker 2: she really wanted a part, she'd be jealous of the
Speaker 2: person who got it, or mad and why didn't she
Speaker 2: get it? And then she learned this phrase and it
Speaker 2: stuck with her. Someone told her those are not your blessings,
Speaker 2: that's that person's blessing, and like your blessing is coming,
Speaker 2: and that you just have to think about it that way, Like, look,
Speaker 2: why can't you say great for Kim. I hope she
Speaker 2: has fun with that part. I bet she'll kill it stylistically,
Speaker 2: at the very least. We'll see what she brings to
Speaker 2: it and move on.
Speaker 1: And sometimes, by the way, it's a bullet dodged. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you think, oh, I want that partner for me. There
Speaker 1: was a certain show that I thought I had in
Speaker 1: the bag. It was a game show and the rug
Speaker 1: was kind of pulled out from under me and I
Speaker 1: didn't get the job, and I was really kind of
Speaker 1: crushed by it. I was already doing The Bachelor. This
Speaker 1: is going to be just on the side, and I
Speaker 1: thought this was a layup and I didn't get it,
Speaker 1: and I was so upset. And the show ended up
Speaker 1: barely making it one season and it completely tanked. It
Speaker 1: looked terrible, it wasn't produced great and turned out to
Speaker 1: be that was the blessing, was not getting it. So
Speaker 1: it's not on your record, so you never know.
Speaker 2: There's another great phrase from a friend of mine. I
Speaker 2: heard this from my friend Carissa, who used to be
Speaker 2: on E and I think she heard it from our
Speaker 2: mutual friend Zuri Hall, who's another correspondent, which is sometimes
Speaker 2: rejection is God's protection.
Speaker 1: So true that is so true. That goes for relationships,
Speaker 1: it goes for work, It could be applied on so
Speaker 1: many levels. As we're wrapping things up, I need to
Speaker 1: throw out a big congratulations. You know, I'm a big
Speaker 1: soccer fan and this kind of is me slipping sports
Speaker 1: into this podcast. But don't be angry. So I love
Speaker 1: the show. Welcome to Wrexham. This is the story of
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds and Rob mclhaney and the fact that they
Speaker 1: bought Wrexham Football Club At Welsh Football Club. This is
Speaker 1: a football club for the last fifteen years that has
Speaker 1: been mired in mediocrity. They are not even in a league.
Speaker 1: It's called a non league. It's actually a pub league.
Speaker 1: These are non money making teams that have fallen through
Speaker 1: the ranks and barely exist. This sounds so Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 1: Rob mclhaney famously bought this team in Wrexham and over
Speaker 1: the last several years, if you've been following Welcome to Wrexham,
Speaker 1: and this is a bit of a spoiler. They've been
Speaker 1: to this documentary. They did the documentary, Yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: they've been trying to get the whole story. Is buying
Speaker 1: this small club in this small town and getting it
Speaker 1: out of this non league, moving it up and the
Speaker 1: way it works. By the way, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: give you a quick synopsis of how this world of
Speaker 1: football works over there. And you can be relegated or
Speaker 1: promoted if you win the league. If you are a champion,
Speaker 1: you move to the next level. That means more money,
Speaker 1: more fame, more players, et cetera. If you suck and
Speaker 1: you're in the bottom, you get relegated, you get kicked
Speaker 1: out of that league and you get demoted to the
Speaker 1: league below you. That means less money, you lose players,
Speaker 1: you lose fans, et cetera. So for fifteen years Wrexham's
Speaker 1: been battling and they have spoiler alert, won the champions.
Speaker 1: They won the league. The league's not officially over, but
Speaker 1: they have enough points that they have locked it up.
Speaker 1: So Wrexham is moving up to the Football League. So
Speaker 1: they are lowest level professional, but that means a lot
Speaker 1: more money for Ryan Reynolds, Rob mclhaney and the club.
Speaker 1: And so it's just exciting because I've been following this journey.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge soccer fan and I was a little
Speaker 1: worried about how they were going to appreciate this because
Speaker 1: they weren't quite huge football followers when they started this journey,
Speaker 1: but they are all in now at their heart and soul.
Speaker 1: And Paul Rudd actually was at the game the other
Speaker 1: day when they clinched it and Paul Rudd was videoing this.
Speaker 1: This is all over social media and as the final
Speaker 1: whistle blows and they locked up the championship and they
Speaker 1: move up into the next league, Rudd is filming both
Speaker 1: Rob mclhaney and Ryan Reynolds and there's just this moment
Speaker 1: where their soul leaves their body and they're both they
Speaker 1: both kind of collapse and the crowd's going crazy and
Speaker 1: they just collapse to their knees and then they turn
Speaker 1: into hug each other and they embraced for quite some time.
Speaker 1: You could just tell it meant so much to them.
Speaker 1: And so congratulations Ryan and Rob, and by the way,
Speaker 1: kudos to them because what doesn't get a lot of press.
Speaker 1: They also support the women's team, and the women's team
Speaker 1: has also moved up amazing, So Rob and Ryan, congrats
Speaker 1: and by the way, kudos to you for supporting not
Speaker 1: just the men's Rexham team but also the women's club.
Speaker 1: And congrats to the ladies of Wrexham as well.
Speaker 2: You are always such a warrior for women's sports, which
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I love women's sports. Yes, and I grew up with
Speaker 1: some incredible female athlete because I was a soccer player.
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends played. They were amazing soccer
Speaker 1: players and went on to do great things in college
Speaker 1: and pro and all that. And so I'm a huge
Speaker 1: proponent of women's sports and.
Speaker 2: Sports and your daughter's soccer teams.
Speaker 1: Into coaching my daughters, that was my favorite. I love coaching.
Speaker 1: Coaching the kids was the best. That's if I miss
Speaker 1: anything the most of parenting in the young days, it's
Speaker 1: little league.
Speaker 2: What was different about coaching girls teams versus boys teams
Speaker 2: because you coach your son andrew daughter.
Speaker 1: This is the best advice I ever got about coaching,
Speaker 1: and that is boys need to play good to feel good.
Speaker 1: And it's very true. As a guy, if you have
Speaker 1: a good game, I feel good. I am confident. That's
Speaker 1: where I get my power from. Women need to feel
Speaker 1: good to play good. And when I was coaching, I
Speaker 1: saw this firsthand with the little girls I was coaching,
Speaker 1: and that is if you know, yell at them the
Speaker 1: way you do boys, tough love or whatever. If a
Speaker 1: girl could start crying and it's over, Like, if she
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good, she doesn't feel empowered going into the game,
Speaker 1: she's not going to have a good game.
Speaker 2: Overall, do you I mean, first of all, I agree,
Speaker 2: but overall, though, do you feel I actually was wondering this.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm not that into the sports,
Speaker 2: but just on Sunday, we were at your son Josh's
Speaker 2: lacrosse playoff playoff lacrosse game at TCU and they were
Speaker 2: champions last year and that was amazing. And by the way,
Speaker 2: just like theater, sports has a lot of rejection, a
Speaker 2: lot of losing, a lot of winning. It's a big
Speaker 2: roller coaster eyes, so I see the similarities. But they
Speaker 2: were down and I could see their coach talking to them,
Speaker 2: and I was wondering what he was saying, and I
Speaker 2: did want to ask you, do you think, overall, as
Speaker 2: a coach, regardless of you know, which, whether you're coaching
Speaker 2: men or women or whatever, is it more effective to
Speaker 2: be inspirational or to like, do you sometimes have to
Speaker 2: give that tough love? What just works best?
Speaker 1: It's it is the exact same thing as parenting, you
Speaker 1: have to find what reaches each kid. And when I
Speaker 1: started parenting and when I started coaching, it was my
Speaker 1: way or the highway, and I quickly learned. You quickly
Speaker 1: learn these are all individuals. Everybody is different on your team.
Speaker 1: Some kids need to be motivated and they need tough love.
Speaker 1: Some don't. Boys and girls, it goes both ways. Some
Speaker 1: need that arm around them and tell them everything's okay,
Speaker 1: and I believe in you still and you still got this,
Speaker 1: So some need aspirational inspirational It changes from child to child,
Speaker 1: for sure. That was the biggest lesson I learned in coaching.
Speaker 1: In parenting, you can't parent the same.
Speaker 2: My mom told me, well, here's what's hard about parenting.
Speaker 2: First you have to figure out how to parent, and
Speaker 2: then you have to figure out how to parent each kid.
Speaker 1: Right, and you think you got it down, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got this. You know, Joshua was doing great. When
Speaker 1: Taylor comes along, I got this. Nope, it is one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty degree difference.
Speaker 2: But then what do you do when you're standing there
Speaker 2: coaching a whole group of kids at once, when you're
Speaker 2: down and you know, and it's halftime and you got
Speaker 2: to bring everybody up together.
Speaker 1: That is. It depends. It really depends on the moment.
Speaker 1: I've done both. You've been hard on them, I've been inspirational,
Speaker 1: you know, believe in you. It depends on what has
Speaker 1: gotten them to that moment. You know, if they're having
Speaker 1: if they're just kind of.
Speaker 2: Like if the team's tougher than them, or if they're
Speaker 2: kind of scrubs, like if.
Speaker 1: They're giving one hundred and ten percent. You see that,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're just playing a better team and you're
Speaker 1: getting your brains kicked in. You got to be there
Speaker 1: for them. But if everybody went out the night before
Speaker 1: and it is a little hung over and they showed
Speaker 1: up late and they're just kind of lolligaging through the game,
Speaker 1: then maybe you need to get in their face a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you might be referencing college sports at this point.
Speaker 2: You're like, the ten year olds are hungover, Yeah that
Speaker 2: was it, and too many brownies last night, I will.
Speaker 1: You know, those pre night parties we had in the
Speaker 1: in Little league. So anyway, so so big news out
Speaker 1: erects some congratulations to the men's and women's clubs, and
Speaker 1: I can't wait now to watch the upcoming season where
Speaker 1: they're finally going to make it. I mean they've been acquiring.
Speaker 1: There is one more thing I will say. It's funny
Speaker 1: people think, oh, they've made it now, and if you
Speaker 1: don't know the world of professional football over in Europe,
Speaker 1: this just means, honestly, Rob and Ryan are going to
Speaker 1: spend more money because then to get once you get
Speaker 1: to that next level, you're the bottom of the barrel
Speaker 1: in that next level, right, you're moving up. And so
Speaker 1: everybody's been doing this for a while. They have better players,
Speaker 1: they have better coaching, they have better facilities. So now
Speaker 1: you get to that next level, if you want to
Speaker 1: compete there, you got to spend more money and then
Speaker 1: more money, and so it is kind of a never
Speaker 1: ending battle.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, since you got to give a congratulations, I'm
Speaker 2: going to give a congratulations, and actually it has to
Speaker 2: do with money a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a big.
Speaker 2: Congrats too, Absolutely champion. There aren't even enough words to
Speaker 2: describe her incredible legacy and talent. Simone Biles. Simone got married,
Speaker 2: sham Now I know someone a little bit because I
Speaker 2: interviewed her when she did her season of Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars, and I mean Wow, you want to talk
Speaker 2: about a hard work or somebody who puts their.
Speaker 3: All in and one of the greatest gymnasts of all
Speaker 3: times all the time, there's no way to put it intowards.
Speaker 3: So she just got married. And interestingly she kind of
Speaker 3: said on this one, well, she didn't totally put her
Speaker 3: all in in this way. This is a courthouse wedding.
Speaker 2: She got married at court with her now husband, apparently
Speaker 2: because they are going to have a bigger destination wedding
Speaker 2: in a few weeks, so they had to go legally
Speaker 2: knock it out in America. But Simone says on Instagram, well,
Speaker 2: she didn't really have it fully together for her wedding
Speaker 2: look for the courthouse wedding, she just he's got a
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty dollars dress, ordered some shoes on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Looked beautiful. But everybody's kind of loving that she is
Speaker 2: wearing such an affordable dress and these kind of inexpensive
Speaker 2: shoes for her wedding. Now, she did say she's got
Speaker 2: some more major fashion looks coming for the big wedding.
Speaker 2: But I love this, I mean again, congrats on getting
Speaker 2: officially legally married. Period.
Speaker 1: And by the way, she got married to Houston, Texan's
Speaker 1: NFL football player Jonathan Owens. So sports on sports. When
Speaker 1: they have kids, they're gonna have some freakish DNA.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, stud NFL football player, one of the greatest
Speaker 1: gymnasts ever. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I wanted to talk to you about the
Speaker 2: money part of it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, because we've been planning our wedding.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that she did this. I've actually
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not joking. I've been looking like on
Speaker 2: Zara at some dresses I have because I just don't
Speaker 2: think it. I am not here for the spending a
Speaker 2: ton of money on the wedding dress thing. And I
Speaker 2: don't judge it. Like, if you want to do it,
Speaker 2: I guess if you have the money, it's an important
Speaker 2: day and so do that. But for me, I can't
Speaker 2: do it. I would rather spend our money on traveling,
Speaker 2: on experiences together. Look, you have to put a certain
Speaker 2: amount of money into a wedding day to have a
Speaker 2: great experience, which you want to have. You want to
Speaker 2: have a fun party with your friends, and that costs
Speaker 2: some money. But I can't get behind. I mean, some
Speaker 2: people spend tens of thousands of dollars on wedding dresses.
Speaker 2: Sophia Richie Lionel Richie's daughter, by the way, a lovely man.
Speaker 2: I interviewed him many times on American Idol and just
Speaker 2: like a mirindous man. Rich You've seen him in concert.
Speaker 1: Y, Yes, I went to a lot of Richie concert
Speaker 1: in Vegas because I love him.
Speaker 2: So his daughter just got married at one of the
Speaker 2: most incredible expensive I've never been there hotels in France,
Speaker 2: and she wore at least three Chanel wedding dresses, I think,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if she paid for those. I
Speaker 2: don't know if she got those for free. Whatever, do
Speaker 2: your thing, but for me, Simone might as she has
Speaker 2: a big destination wedding coming up. She said she's got
Speaker 2: more going on. But I love that she did this
Speaker 2: because it doesn't have to be like ultimately. One thing
Speaker 2: to remember is if you're too focused, I think, and
Speaker 2: I've been married before and the first time around I
Speaker 2: probably was a little too focused on the party and
Speaker 2: all that. If you're too focused on that, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you got to remember what the day is really about.
Speaker 1: And as we wrap things up, obviously, Simone Biles as you.
Speaker 1: Mention was on Dancing with the Stars, and we started
Speaker 1: this show, and we'll end it with a couple of
Speaker 1: actually a couple of said notes, because as we've been
Speaker 1: doing this, we just learned, Oh my gosh, one more
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I just pulled this up on my phone. Out with
Speaker 2: Harry past someone you can't even put into words. First
Speaker 2: of all, ninety six years old, Harry Belafonte, perhaps best
Speaker 2: known for the song we all know Deo, the Banana
Speaker 2: Boat song. But he, I mean an incredibly award winning musician,
Speaker 2: an activist. He organized the We Are the World concert,
Speaker 2: helped fight for civil rights, to help fight poverty, was
Speaker 2: a very outspoken, vocal, talented, just undeniable figure. He I
Speaker 2: just looked this up. I didn't know he was the
Speaker 2: first person ever to sell a million albums.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say he was the Bono
Speaker 1: before Bono. I'm someone who took his status as a
Speaker 1: incredible musician and used it for bigger, better things that
Speaker 1: he wanted to fight for.
Speaker 2: He'd set the standard. So Harry Belafonte, rest in peace.
Speaker 2: My God, what a life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and same to God. Bless Lynn Goodman, the legendary
Speaker 1: Dancing with the stars, judge who had been with the
Speaker 1: show for seventeen years who passed away, and again a reminder,
Speaker 1: we're going to drop a very special Lynn Goodman edition
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