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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Chris Harrison, Lauren Zeema coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the Gloomy Home office in Austin, Texas. We begin today

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Speaker 1: with some very sad news. Legendary Dancing with the Stars

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Speaker 1: judge Lynn Goodman has died just shy of his seventy

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Speaker 1: ninth birthday. Lynn had been diagnosed been battling bone cancer.

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Speaker 1: He died surrounded by his family, his wife Sue, and

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Speaker 1: his son James. Lynn was someone who he had been

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Speaker 1: with the show for seventeen years. He was one of

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Speaker 1: the first judges and came on when the show began

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. Very beloved figure. Even when

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Speaker 1: he was kind of snarky or kind of tough on people,

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Speaker 1: everybody loved. He was just this English gentleman that everybody

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Speaker 1: really loved and admired, and they made everybody smile.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there is someone who more perfectly critiqued,

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Speaker 2: because even when he critiqued, you respected his opinion. That's

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Speaker 2: the thing. You never felt like. It wasn't like I

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Speaker 2: think the dancer sometimes felt he was so hard on them,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that was where some of that conflict

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Speaker 2: came from, but he was almost like that father figure

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Speaker 2: that they also wanted to impress. They would all tell

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Speaker 2: me when I covered the show that, well, if you

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Speaker 2: get that good score from Len, you know, you know

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Speaker 2: it means it, and you know that it means something.

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Speaker 2: And they were always trying to work for those scores

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Speaker 2: from Len, even though they'd all been frustrated with him

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Speaker 2: at different points. And you and I really wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about this because I think when we both woke

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Speaker 2: up to this news, we both, I mean, your heart

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Speaker 2: sinks a little bit because we both felt such fund

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Speaker 2: memories of him. I mean, I covered the show for years,

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Speaker 2: and you'd covered it, you'd been there. You and I

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Speaker 2: had gone and sat in the audience of Dancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars a couple times to support Hannah Brown one

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Speaker 2: time together, and I just, I mean, I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: that he was with his family. And there's actually this

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Speaker 2: really sweet story. I guess in an interview last year,

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Speaker 2: he had said he had actually predicted. He'd said, well,

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Speaker 2: my dad passed at seventy nine, and I love the

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Speaker 2: way he went, and he went, you know, surrounded by

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Speaker 2: what he loved, and if I go that way I'm

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Speaker 2: okay with it. So I just feel like he lived

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Speaker 2: a beautiful, full life and I think you know you

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Speaker 2: and I also felt like there's so much more to

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Speaker 2: say about Len.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to do that. We do have

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Speaker 1: a lot more to say, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that have things they would love to share

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Speaker 1: and talk about Lynn Goodman, and we're going to do that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to drop a very special Lynn Goodman episode

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Speaker 1: of the most dramatic podcast ever. His life, his legacy,

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Speaker 1: his memories on Dancing with the Stars, and what he

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Speaker 1: meant to everybody. So look for that. The most dramatic

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Speaker 1: podcast ever Lynn Goodman will drop very soon. Shocking news

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Speaker 1: yesterday in the world of cable TV news, First Fox

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Speaker 1: announced that Tucker Carlson was fired and would be leaving

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Speaker 1: the network immediately. He would not be passing go, he

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Speaker 1: would not collect two hundred dollars, He would not have

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Speaker 1: a goodbye show. He would not be giving a farewell speed.

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Speaker 1: His last show has already aired. He is gone and removed.

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Speaker 1: This was an absolute shocker to everybody yesterday.

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Speaker 2: This was wild. I mean, like you and again like

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Speaker 2: the Big News Day, and you and I both I

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Speaker 2: think our journalism roots come out and we're like, whoa

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Speaker 2: big news day, breaking news day. And the Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 2: announcement was shocking to me. Of course, we're going to

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Speaker 2: that was much less shocking to me. But Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we just come off this news of the

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Speaker 2: big Fox lawsuit settlement with Dominion voting Fox settled. There

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be this big trial because Dominion was

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Speaker 2: accusing Fox of hurting their brand, of spreading false information

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Speaker 2: about them, and then Fox ends up not going to trial,

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Speaker 2: settling for seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars, the

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Speaker 2: biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And everybody defamation is

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Speaker 2: something that is hard to prove, so notoriously a lot

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Speaker 2: This is the biggest defamation lawsuit in American history. And

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Speaker 2: so the news of Tucker Carlson being I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Was fired, yes, one hundred percent being let go.

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Speaker 2: After that, of course people are connecting the two.

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Speaker 1: Well. I think initially people started connecting that this had

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Speaker 1: lawsuits pending as well after this defamation. There's other people

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Speaker 1: as people started digging into this, it really had more

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Speaker 1: to do with Rupert Murdoch and Tucker Carlson stepping out

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Speaker 1: of line and crossing the big red line, the conservative line,

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Speaker 1: and going against basically the Fox talking points.

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Speaker 2: The reports are coming out that Rupert Murdoch, head of Everything, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Fox didn't like the way that Tucker covered the January

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his conspiracy theories and all the things he went with.

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Speaker 2: And there was something else he didn't like that way,

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Speaker 1: Really kind of went after this one figure Ray EPs

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm lacking on something. I don't watch Succession,

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Speaker 2: but it just sounds like it's real.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Succession is HBO. Check it out.

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Speaker 1: It is. I'm going to say, yeah, I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: No, that's what everyone says. And this is on me.

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Speaker 2: If I have to binge it, I am lacking. I

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know, for the Lauren Zemas of

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Speaker 1: the world, it is a story of this family, this

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Speaker 1: unbelievably rich family that owns I mean, it's torn out

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Speaker 1: of the pages of Fox. It's Rupert Murdoch and it's

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Speaker 1: the Murdoch family and they have the kind of evil,

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Speaker 1: power in the empire. Anyway, long story short, Two things. One,

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Speaker 1: Succession is spectacular. You must watch it. Number two, Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: This is I don't know if it's art imitating life

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Speaker 1: This is the crazy man from Succession torpedoing his own network.

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Speaker 1: Because look, guys, I know people on the left, even

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Speaker 1: this from the analytics and the business side. Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: is easily the most successful television show I would say

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Speaker 1: on TV right now. He gets three million viewers a night.

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Speaker 1: To put that in perspective, that is bigger than most

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Speaker 1: primetime shows, not to dog on the Bachelor. That's much

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Speaker 1: bigger than the Bachelor gets once a week on their show.

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's getting that every night, three million viewers. So

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Speaker 1: he is the one hundred million pound gorilla in the

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Speaker 2: I was also reading and listening to a few podcasts

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Speaker 2: yesterday that he had a pretty sizable by cable news

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Speaker 2: to advertising dollars that younger audience, and to be honest,

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Speaker 2: cable news could use some younger viewers. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: it drives home to me like I'd never turn on

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Speaker 2: unless maybe something crazy breaking happens, like when the riots happened.

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Speaker 2: I turned on CNN to cover that or to follow that.

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Speaker 2: But like for sure, your kids, college kids, they're not

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh.

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Speaker 2: Ever, No, So that that is what I think you

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Speaker 2: and I were talking about the most is the fact

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Speaker 2: that and I don't know what it says about Rupert

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Speaker 2: Murdoch if it says that he is incredibly confident or

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Speaker 2: incredibly stupid, but that he just got rid of his

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson and Fox News are fairly synonymous with each

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because they went through this before with

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Speaker 1: was let go as well, and everyone thought, Okay, that's it,

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Speaker 1: that's the end of Fox. And now seemingly it happens

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Speaker 2: But and it wasn't, by the way, it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: When any means and so, look, is everybody replaceable. We're

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Speaker 1: go on and do something. But Fox really and again

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Speaker 1: this isn't taking sides. This has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: And this is why CNN, MSNBC, everybody goes after them

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Speaker 1: But if you go look at the ratings, which I

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Speaker 1: And so that's why everybody's rejoicing is I mean, this

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Speaker 2: By the way, as much as I'm saying biggest defamation

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Speaker 2: in an article where they were kind of talking about

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Speaker 2: the Tucker Carlson thing, that Fox made two point eight

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Speaker 2: billion dollars last year. Son hundred and eighty seven million

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Speaker 1: I was the other one I was referring to, and

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Speaker 1: that one could be deeper and more impactful. Actually, and

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Speaker 2: The precedent of a huge settle. So we'll see. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what this means for Fox, but it's very

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Speaker 2: Again Rupert Murdoch. I guess what everybody says about him

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Speaker 2: is that when he's done with you, he's just like done.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're gone. And that is what happened with

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson here. His last show was last Friday. He's

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Speaker 2: not going to get to say goodbye. But it's also

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Speaker 2: hard for me to not. We've said this before on

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Speaker 2: the show. You guys, if you get a great ending

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Speaker 2: rarely happens. If things don't end well for you at work.

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Speaker 2: Know that it's more than likely like that. Statistically overall,

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Speaker 2: you're probably not gonna it's like a breakup. It happens

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Speaker 2: for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Very few get the farewell tour. Very few say, oh,

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Speaker 1: This is huge for Tucker Carlson, This is huge for

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Speaker 2: I liked him a lot. I can't exactly pinpoint where

433
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Speaker 2: that changed for me, but I do think he got,

434
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Speaker 2: you know, caught up in the like I used to

435
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Speaker 2: watch CNN, and I think CNN was trying to be

436
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: like Fox and be opinionated. I can't handle watching five

437
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: people screaming at each other on what's supposed to be

438
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 2: a news broadcast, and like it gives me a headache.

439
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch it. It just wasn't the

440
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: news to me anymore, and I stopped watching for me personally,

441
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: I think Don Lemon got caught up in that. Where

442
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 2: he's going to go from here, I don't know, but

443
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: I do know that he doesn't have that same power

444
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: that Tucker Carlson does.

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00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 1: Clearly like you said, Tucker Carlson three million viewers. He

446
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: is the highest rated, just dominant force in television. Don

447
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: Lemon was on a sinking ship. He had been demoted.

448
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: His show was I mean not great. I mean just

449
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: look at the ratings. This is not a personal take

450
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: on it. It's just the truth. Now, if you thought

451
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: you couldn't tie these two things together, and these two

452
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: people together, Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon, you're thinking, wow,

453
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: these we're talking extreme right, extreme left, these guys political,

454
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: they couldn't be further apart. Well, guess what they're together.

455
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: That's right. Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon have the same lawyer, gentlemen.

456
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: Both gentlemen have lawyered up quickly. By end of business Monday,

457
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: when all this was announced, Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson

458
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: had both hired power attorney Brian Friedman, a familiar man

459
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: to you, a very familiar man. He handled a certain

460
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: situation I was in at one time, but also known

461
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: for handling Megan Kelly, and Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson

462
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: are tight. So no doubt that that was probably the

463
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: connection there. Gabrielle Union so pualmo.

464
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Speaker 2: I believe has retained Brian.

465
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: Yes, he's working with Chris Cuomo.

466
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Speaker 2: So Brian's really carving out a niche he really televisions.

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00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: He is kind of he's he's the batman. That's what

468
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: people put up, the bat signal, and they go to

469
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: Brian Friedman and he's good, He's very good. And so look,

470
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Speaker 1: I got to say, how funny is that that? Like,

471
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Speaker 1: you know, these two guys that probably talked about each

472
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: other many times and got after each other, and you know,

473
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: in these fights on cable news, and they're now sharing

474
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Speaker 1: the same lawyer and really sharing the same fight. And honestly,

475
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: these cases kind of probably have a lot of similarities.

476
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Speaker 1: And so as one goes, maybe the other one goes.

477
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: As far as a settlement, do you.

478
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: Think either or both of them could get settlements.

479
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It seems like CNN

480
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: has a very strong public case against Don Lemon. I

481
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: don't know what the sentiment is, what legally they have

482
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: on Tecker Carlson, because while you know, there's the dominion stuff,

483
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: there's all these other talking points. I'm not sure that

484
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: stuff was so muddled over there at Fox.

485
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Speaker 2: I hadn't read that he was still in the middle

486
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: of a contract, like he's had years left Donna's contract, Tucker,

487
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: So I could see him getting a payout of the

488
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Speaker 2: rest of his contract unless they've got something on him.

489
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Speaker 1: But can they can they can they pin all of

490
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: this legal stuff on him? You know, is he's escapegoat

491
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: for the dominion stuff and for the you know, the

492
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: pending defamation suits possibly. You know that his has just

493
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: been so kind of quiet. It's hard to know legally

494
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: what they may have on him. But Don Lemon's has

495
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: been very public because he's been doing it himself on

496
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: the show for so.

497
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Speaker 2: Long then, I mean, has been saying stuff probably and.

498
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of complaints as well against Don

499
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Speaker 1: Lemon behind the scenes. I know at CNN he's not

500
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Speaker 1: a very popular figure.

501
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of feet in the fire with

502
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Speaker 2: both of them. But I'm really just again, when it

503
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: comes back to the ratings, I was shocked far more

504
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: by the Tucker Carlson news. And it'll be really interesting

505
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: to see where Fox goes from here. I mean, they

506
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: have a lot of other very polarizing personalities. We're coming

507
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: up on an election year. Who will they bring in

508
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: to quote unquote replaced Tucker the way he replaced Bill O'Reilly.

509
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, and nobody will say this over there,

510
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: but look, that leaves a huge hole at the top,

511
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: and it very rarely happens in this business. Huge. So

512
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of prime slot when you are talent

513
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're waiting for your moment,

514
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: you're waiting for your time. Believe me, there's a lot

515
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: of excited people. There's a lot of agents on the

516
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: phone this morning, calling Fox, calling around. There's people from

517
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: other networks calling Fox and pitching. So the you know,

518
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: if you think the funeral lasts long, it does not.

519
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: There are people already making those calls in vying for

520
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: those spots. Same goes for Don Lemon. You know, is

521
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: that a coveted spot, not as coveted as primetime, but

522
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: it's a great spot to get on CNN and start

523
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: the morning show. So believe me, talent, we may publicly

524
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: say they're sorry and sad, but they also see opportunity

525
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: when there's blood in the water.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about just now, and

527
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know the answer. Who replaced t J

528
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: Holmes and Amy Roebuck.

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Speaker 1: Is that show still on the air. I have no idea,

530
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Speaker 1: no idea, yeah, gm A three or whatever it was.

531
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Speaker 1: I don't know idea right, and no one talks about it.

532
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: It's not been seen or heard from. Again, I don't know.

533
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: Speaking of people that may need legal help. Country megastar

534
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Morgan Wallin So he was doing a show at Old

535
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Myth the other night and he canceled because he lost

536
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: his voice. This is not something that's crazy, out of

537
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: the blue or new. This happens to performers all the time.

538
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: What made this different is that the show actually went on,

539
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: the warm up acts performed, everybody was there at the stadium,

540
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: the show was happening, and then he pulled out that

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: is actually pretty rare. I talked to some people in

542
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: country music that it's pretty rare that you wouldn't have

543
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: already announced before the show to stop people from coming.

544
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: The fact that the show is already happening, that was

545
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: what made this very interesting and fans as much as

546
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: people love Morgan walland by the way, he is the

547
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: hottest thing. He is the biggest ticket. He is the

548
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: biggest money maker in country music right now, hands down

549
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: for sure.

550
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I think he just set a record the other day

551
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: with his what music. He is at the top of

552
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: Billboard and.

553
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Printing it. He's printing money killing it well.

554
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: But of course this is the crazy thing is that

555
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: he announced. It's like a big paragraph comes up on

556
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: a screen at the show that Morgan's lost his voice

557
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: and won't be coming out. People had already been they

558
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: bought drinks, they'd bought merchandise. They're standing there waiting, and

559
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: that is why everybody's so mad. And I mean, now,

560
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: some of it's a little bit funny, like somebody tweeted

561
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: they rode up their bill for Morgan Wallan because this

562
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: big paragraph that came up on screen said you will

563
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: be refunded, yes, for the tickets. But this person wrote

564
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: out on social media, Morgan Wallan, since you're offering refunds,

565
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: here's our itemized bill for you. Hotel five hundred and

566
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Speaker 2: sixty dollars, gas eighty dollars, tickets sixteen hundred dollars. Dang

567
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: my outfit one hundred and twenty dollars. Husband's outfit two

568
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen dollars. Wow, the hubby got a better

569
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: outfit for he spent more to eighteen He got the

570
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: boots dinner two thirty five, Cracker Barrel dinner forty dollars.

571
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Wait, dinner and Cracker Barrel were.

572
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Going well, so it was one dinner. I never heard

573
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: of the Oxford grill house.

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Speaker 1: That must be in they're for miss yeah, because they're

575
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: at all miss but Crackerbail.

576
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: They spent last forty bucks loose parileros forty five dollars.

577
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: I butchered that pronunciation.

578
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: They ate a lot. They went to three meals.

579
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Hey, they were there.

580
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: For a long time. We're here for a good time.

581
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Drinks at the concert two twenty Damn Morgan Wallen merched

582
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: two thirty five for a grand total of three nine

583
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: and eighty two dollars.

584
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Holy crap.

585
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the cracker Bail thing kind of cracked

586
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: me up because it's like, well, you know, I mean

587
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: it's just so specific.

588
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: We what stood up to me there? The husband spent

589
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: more money. There was at least three meals. They spent

590
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: about three hundred bucks on drinks. But it also goes

591
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: to show God, these these concerts these days. I don't

592
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: know how anybody can go the Taylor Swift concerts.

593
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, we were those parents. We were by the way,

594
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: we didn't have any big connections for Taylor Swift, but

595
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: we wanted to get your daughter tickets for her birthday,

596
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: you and I and her mom, and we were all

597
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: in our laptops trying to get the tickets and we

598
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: were we spent I think we spent seven hundred dollars

599
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: each on the tickets, two tickets.

600
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: It's expensive, it is. Concerts are just well, that's how.

601
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: Artists make their money today, right, because they don't sell albums,

602
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: so they got to make it touring, and it's in

603
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: some ways horrible for them. It's exhausting. They got to

604
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: do more and more shows, and it can be a

605
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: lot of artists, you know, are very mentally drained and

606
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: end up having a cut concerts short for that reason.

607
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: It's physically draining. They train for it like athletes trained for,

608
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, to play sports. But I did, you know,

609
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: and as much as we might like be like, this

610
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: is all very specific. And one other wild part is

611
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: somebody's already filed a lawsuit. This just happened like twenty

612
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: four to thirty six hours ago, and someone's already filed

613
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: a lawsuit against Morgan Wallen. But I will say I

614
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: did take issue with this. You gotta know sooner than

615
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: minutes before you're supposed to go on, right, How do

616
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: you at least not announce earlier that afternoon or before

617
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: the whole show begins? What are you doing back there

618
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: to your voice?

619
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Like he said, I'm so.

620
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: Esteem and hoping for the best.

621
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I promise you, guys. I tried everything

622
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I could. And look, there are rumors about that maybe

623
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: there was some other reason he couldn't go on, but

624
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: you I could see that where it's close, you also

625
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: can get shots. You get steroid shots. And because I've

626
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: done that before, I've lost my voice and I've gotten

627
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: a steroid.

628
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: Shot to the neck. Where do they put it?

629
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: No, it's in your butt. And the idea it'll help

630
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the inflammation, because that's what it is when you're when

631
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: your vocal cords are inflamed and you can't sing, and

632
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: so it will reduce that inflammation. It doesn't fix everything,

633
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: but it can make it about fifty percent better. And

634
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: it happens.

635
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: So maybe he was hoping I can get there enough

636
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: to just perform, and.

637
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he had doctors there if this was

638
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: indeed the case, you know, and he thought, just give

639
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: me some time, give me some time. You know, we

640
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: can probably pull this off. And it wouldn't have been

641
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: his best show, but it you know, and he could

642
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: have maybe slipped some tracks in here and there. So

643
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: there's some tricks of the trade to get through a show.

644
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: But unfortunate And look, is this going to hurt Morgan Wallen? No, No,

645
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I just won't stick on him. But this is his base.

646
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an Oxford. I mean he's at Old

647
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: Miss that is as deep south as you can get.

648
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Those are his people. So you know, if one of

649
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: these instances happens, not a big deal, most people will

650
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: forgive them. And these lawsuits are all kind of trivial

651
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: and they're funny to talk about on a podcast. If

652
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: this happens repeatedly, then you'll see some chinks in the armor.

653
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: But I was thinking of Adele when she cancel her

654
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: Vegas residency the night before it was supposed to start.

655
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: And look, I am an Adele fan, but I didn't

656
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: think that was cool. The problem is people have traveled

657
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: and just like that woman said on her bill, they've

658
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: spent money on hotels and airline tickets and gas, and

659
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean with Adele, people had obviously gone to Vegas

660
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: to see this. Very few people lived in Vegas.

661
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Six months in advance. Now here's in advance. This is

662
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: a planned out event, and.

663
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Speaker 2: It's not just the cost of the tats that you

664
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: need reimburse that's the problem. I don't know. I don't

665
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: remember what ended up happening with Adele in the way

666
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: she reimbursed people, But it's an interesting question if an artist.

667
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Adele was very open. She said, I'm just

668
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: not doing the show because it's not the typest show

669
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Speaker 2: I want to do. It's not coming together the way

670
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: I want it. I don't know what she ended up

671
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: reimbursing people for, but part of me kind of thinks,

672
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people have a legitimate claim

673
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: if they've paid for hotels and airline tickets, that you

674
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: should pay them for more than just the price of

675
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: the concert going ticket. It's not completely off base to

676
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: me so anyway, But it didn't hurt Adele in the

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: long run. She's back doing her residency and I want

678
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: to see it. I've heard it's amazing she's extended it.

679
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't think this will hurt Morgan Wallen in the

680
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: long run, let's get into the most dramatic corner of entertainment.

681
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Speaker 2: There is.

682
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Speaker 1: I that you're going to say, Kardashians.

683
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh that too. This story brings you both.

684
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's when worlds collide. That's when you know

685
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: you have a big story. The Theata, the Kardashian which.

686
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: This might be the first time it's happened, so musical theater.

687
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: I can't Patti Lapone, She's a very opinionated woman, which

688
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: I love about her, but I don't agree with her

689
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Speaker 2: on this one. Kim Kardashian, In case she missed it,

690
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: it's been announced that she will be playing a guest

691
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Speaker 2: starring part on a new season of the hit show

692
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Speaker 2: American Horror Story. Patti Lapone asked about this on Watcher

693
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Speaker 2: Rappins Live, and she slammed the idea. She said, Kim,

694
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Speaker 2: what are you doing with your life? Which I felt

695
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: like was a pretty big existential question over a guest

696
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: starring role on a TV show, which I would say,

697
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: Kim's killing it, And she said that this upsets her

698
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: because she thinks that it's taking away parts from more

699
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: established actors. She's not okay with it. Kim, what are

700
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: you doing with your life. I don't have a problem

701
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: with this. I just I agree with Patti Lapone completely

702
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Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian doing a guest starring role on a show.

703
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: First of all, let's see what she does. Maybe Kim

704
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: kills it. Maybe she does a great job with the part.

705
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to judge it after she's

706
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: up there. If she absolutely sucks, then okay, you could say, wow,

707
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: an actor could have had this part. But we don't

708
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: know how it's going to go. And obviously American Horror

709
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Story is doing that for their own benefit to get

710
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Speaker 2: to use Kim's name to get the show back in

711
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: the headlines. So if you're blaming everybody, say to American

712
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: Horror Story, wow she plugged. You're using a Kardashian to

713
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: get your show publicity and you should be casting better actors.

714
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: Why are we blaming Kim for this?

715
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: What are you doing with your life? She's a billionaire

716
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: and if it didn't come through on the podcast, that's

717
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: a bee. She's a billionaire, so she hasn't made a

718
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: lot of missteps financially or in the business world. And

719
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I completely agree that if first of all, this is

720
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Speaker 1: not on Kim Kardashian. It's like if someone came to

721
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: me from Jerry Jones calls and from the Dallas Cowboys,

722
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: the owner says, hey, Chris, do you want to coach

723
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: next year? Yeah? By the way, my answer is yes,

724
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: I will be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys

725
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: just because I get fifty yard line tickets and I

726
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: get to watch every game. Now, am I going to suck? Absolutely?

727
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: But that's on Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, not on me.

728
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: But I think about Kim the same way. Yes, they're

729
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: using it for publicity. Great, Now how she approaches this,

730
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Speaker 1: If you want to say, she's not putting her heart

731
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: and soul in it. She's not showing up for practice,

732
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: she's not working at this craft, she's not respecting the craft.

733
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Speaker 1: Later you can come out and say those things and

734
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Speaker 1: that she wasn't great and it wasn't a good call.

735
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: But I agree right now to say who are you?

736
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Speaker 1: What have you done? And this could be going to

737
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Speaker 1: somebody else. You can always say that, you can always

738
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Speaker 1: say it could go to someone who's better.

739
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Speaker 2: Post That's a good point. You could say that with

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Speaker 2: any acting, any active role, and Kim is historically puts

741
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Speaker 2: I mean, she is a hard worker. When she did

742
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Speaker 2: a Saturday Night Live, she took that so seriously. She

743
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: called people for advice. She was putting in the hours.

744
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean, she worked her butt off, and she works

745
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 2: her butt off whenever she takes something off.

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Speaker 1: Knowing the Kardashians as little as I do, I know

747
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Chris better and I've talked to the others sparingly. They

748
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: don't do anything half ass, right. They they go for

749
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: it and they usually succeed. So I can't imagine she

750
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: won't put her heart and soul in this. And it

751
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: just reminded me of kind of early days of because

752
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: there was one there was one quote in particular that

753
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: really struck a chord with me about, you know, basically

754
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: saying that there are other there's more important people, there's

755
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: other actors that deserve this spot. And it reminded me

756
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: of early days when The Bachelor launched and I would

757
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: go to upfronts. Upfronts is this presentation where the network,

758
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, sells the shows to the advertisers and stuff

759
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: like that. And I remember back in the day it

760
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: was Survivor and US and I didn't even think American

761
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: Idol had started yet. But we were the pond scum

762
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: of television. Reality TV was looked down upon. Oh my god,

763
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: all of these actors, a lot of them, I mean

764
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: a lot of big names came after us and came

765
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: out speaking against us of you are taking real jobs

766
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: away from real actors, people that really respect this craft.

767
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: And that happened for quite some time. I mean that

768
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Speaker 1: lasted for the early two thousands when we came on

769
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Speaker 1: and what two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

770
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Speaker 1: probably through like two thousand and seven, I mean a

771
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: good five six years before people finally saw and gave

772
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: into this. But early on, I mean a lot of

773
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Speaker 1: actors and by the way, ironically, actors that probably now

774
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: host game shows, host reality shows, do their own thing,

775
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: their own version of reality TV, were the ones talking

776
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: about this. But I remember, man, we were just vilified

777
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: early on, and again it was all because actors, you know,

778
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: we were taking and I my whole thing was, they've

779
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: never canceled a great show, a show that's doing phenomenal

780
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: in the ratings to replace it with the reality show

781
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: that's never never in the history. So true, it's good.

782
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: It's going to stay on and right I wish I

783
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: could remember the name of this actress's name I follow

784
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: because Chris and I are both in the Union, the

785
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: SAG After Union. I followed them on Instagram and they

786
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: post some really good content with advice for actors for

787
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: other actors, and I forget who it was, but she

788
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: said this thing that has always stuck with me because

789
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Speaker 2: I think it applies to life now. In actors and

790
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: people in entertainment, you get a lot of rejection, right

791
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: Like our business is a lot of because you're constantly

792
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: auditioning or pitching shows and and you or you get

793
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: the ratings and for your show every week. It's a

794
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: lot of up and down reaction, rejection or or you're

795
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: doing well. It's roller coaster. And she said that when

796
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: she was auditioning, you know, she would find herself if

797
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: she really wanted a part, she'd be jealous of the

798
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: person who got it, or mad and why didn't she

799
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Speaker 2: get it? And then she learned this phrase and it

800
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: stuck with her. Someone told her those are not your blessings,

801
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: that's that person's blessing, and like your blessing is coming,

802
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: and that you just have to think about it that way, Like, look,

803
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: why can't you say great for Kim. I hope she

804
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: has fun with that part. I bet she'll kill it stylistically,

805
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: at the very least. We'll see what she brings to

806
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: it and move on.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes, by the way, it's a bullet dodged. Sometimes

808
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: you think, oh, I want that partner for me. There

809
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: was a certain show that I thought I had in

810
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: the bag. It was a game show and the rug

811
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: was kind of pulled out from under me and I

812
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: didn't get the job, and I was really kind of

813
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: crushed by it. I was already doing The Bachelor. This

814
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: is going to be just on the side, and I

815
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: thought this was a layup and I didn't get it,

816
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: and I was so upset. And the show ended up

817
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: barely making it one season and it completely tanked. It

818
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: looked terrible, it wasn't produced great and turned out to

819
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: be that was the blessing, was not getting it. So

820
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: it's not on your record, so you never know.

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Speaker 2: There's another great phrase from a friend of mine. I

822
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: heard this from my friend Carissa, who used to be

823
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Speaker 2: on E and I think she heard it from our

824
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: mutual friend Zuri Hall, who's another correspondent, which is sometimes

825
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: rejection is God's protection.

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00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: So true that is so true. That goes for relationships,

827
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: it goes for work, It could be applied on so

828
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: many levels. As we're wrapping things up, I need to

829
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: throw out a big congratulations. You know, I'm a big

830
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: soccer fan and this kind of is me slipping sports

831
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: into this podcast. But don't be angry. So I love

832
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: the show. Welcome to Wrexham. This is the story of

833
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds and Rob mclhaney and the fact that they

834
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: bought Wrexham Football Club At Welsh Football Club. This is

835
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: a football club for the last fifteen years that has

836
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: been mired in mediocrity. They are not even in a league.

837
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: It's called a non league. It's actually a pub league.

838
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: These are non money making teams that have fallen through

839
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: the ranks and barely exist. This sounds so Ryan Reynolds

840
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: Rob mclhaney famously bought this team in Wrexham and over

841
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: the last several years, if you've been following Welcome to Wrexham,

842
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: and this is a bit of a spoiler. They've been

843
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: to this documentary. They did the documentary, Yes, yes, and

844
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: they've been trying to get the whole story. Is buying

845
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: this small club in this small town and getting it

846
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: out of this non league, moving it up and the

847
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: way it works. By the way, I'm just going to

848
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: give you a quick synopsis of how this world of

849
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: football works over there. And you can be relegated or

850
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: promoted if you win the league. If you are a champion,

851
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: you move to the next level. That means more money,

852
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: more fame, more players, et cetera. If you suck and

853
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: you're in the bottom, you get relegated, you get kicked

854
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: out of that league and you get demoted to the

855
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: league below you. That means less money, you lose players,

856
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: you lose fans, et cetera. So for fifteen years Wrexham's

857
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: been battling and they have spoiler alert, won the champions.

858
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: They won the league. The league's not officially over, but

859
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: they have enough points that they have locked it up.

860
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: So Wrexham is moving up to the Football League. So

861
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: they are lowest level professional, but that means a lot

862
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: more money for Ryan Reynolds, Rob mclhaney and the club.

863
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: And so it's just exciting because I've been following this journey.

864
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm a huge soccer fan and I was a little

865
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: worried about how they were going to appreciate this because

866
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: they weren't quite huge football followers when they started this journey,

867
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: but they are all in now at their heart and soul.

868
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: And Paul Rudd actually was at the game the other

869
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: day when they clinched it and Paul Rudd was videoing this.

870
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: This is all over social media and as the final

871
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: whistle blows and they locked up the championship and they

872
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: move up into the next league, Rudd is filming both

873
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Rob mclhaney and Ryan Reynolds and there's just this moment

874
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: where their soul leaves their body and they're both they

875
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: both kind of collapse and the crowd's going crazy and

876
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: they just collapse to their knees and then they turn

877
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: into hug each other and they embraced for quite some time.

878
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: You could just tell it meant so much to them.

879
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: And so congratulations Ryan and Rob, and by the way,

880
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: kudos to them because what doesn't get a lot of press.

881
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: They also support the women's team, and the women's team

882
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: has also moved up amazing, So Rob and Ryan, congrats

883
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: and by the way, kudos to you for supporting not

884
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: just the men's Rexham team but also the women's club.

885
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: And congrats to the ladies of Wrexham as well.

886
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: You are always such a warrior for women's sports, which

887
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

888
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: I love women's sports. Yes, and I grew up with

889
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: some incredible female athlete because I was a soccer player.

890
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends played. They were amazing soccer

891
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: players and went on to do great things in college

892
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: and pro and all that. And so I'm a huge

893
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: proponent of women's sports and.

894
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: Sports and your daughter's soccer teams.

895
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: Into coaching my daughters, that was my favorite. I love coaching.

896
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: Coaching the kids was the best. That's if I miss

897
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: anything the most of parenting in the young days, it's

898
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: little league.

899
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: What was different about coaching girls teams versus boys teams

900
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 2: because you coach your son andrew daughter.

901
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: This is the best advice I ever got about coaching,

902
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: and that is boys need to play good to feel good.

903
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: And it's very true. As a guy, if you have

904
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: a good game, I feel good. I am confident. That's

905
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: where I get my power from. Women need to feel

906
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: good to play good. And when I was coaching, I

907
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: saw this firsthand with the little girls I was coaching,

908
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: and that is if you know, yell at them the

909
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: way you do boys, tough love or whatever. If a

910
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: girl could start crying and it's over, Like, if she

911
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good, she doesn't feel empowered going into the game,

912
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: she's not going to have a good game.

913
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: Overall, do you I mean, first of all, I agree,

914
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: but overall, though, do you feel I actually was wondering this.

915
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm not that into the sports,

916
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: but just on Sunday, we were at your son Josh's

917
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: lacrosse playoff playoff lacrosse game at TCU and they were

918
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: champions last year and that was amazing. And by the way,

919
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: just like theater, sports has a lot of rejection, a

920
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: lot of losing, a lot of winning. It's a big

921
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: roller coaster eyes, so I see the similarities. But they

922
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: were down and I could see their coach talking to them,

923
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: and I was wondering what he was saying, and I

924
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: did want to ask you, do you think, overall, as

925
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: a coach, regardless of you know, which, whether you're coaching

926
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: men or women or whatever, is it more effective to

927
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: be inspirational or to like, do you sometimes have to

928
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: give that tough love? What just works best?

929
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: It's it is the exact same thing as parenting, you

930
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: have to find what reaches each kid. And when I

931
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: started parenting and when I started coaching, it was my

932
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: way or the highway, and I quickly learned. You quickly

933
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: learn these are all individuals. Everybody is different on your team.

934
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: Some kids need to be motivated and they need tough love.

935
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Some don't. Boys and girls, it goes both ways. Some

936
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: need that arm around them and tell them everything's okay,

937
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: and I believe in you still and you still got this,

938
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: So some need aspirational inspirational It changes from child to child,

939
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: for sure. That was the biggest lesson I learned in coaching.

940
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: In parenting, you can't parent the same.

941
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: My mom told me, well, here's what's hard about parenting.

942
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: First you have to figure out how to parent, and

943
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: then you have to figure out how to parent each kid.

944
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Right, and you think you got it down, You're like, oh,

945
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I got this. You know, Joshua was doing great. When

946
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Taylor comes along, I got this. Nope, it is one

947
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty degree difference.

948
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 2: But then what do you do when you're standing there

949
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: coaching a whole group of kids at once, when you're

950
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: down and you know, and it's halftime and you got

951
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: to bring everybody up together.

952
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: That is. It depends. It really depends on the moment.

953
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: I've done both. You've been hard on them, I've been inspirational,

954
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, believe in you. It depends on what has

955
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: gotten them to that moment. You know, if they're having

956
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: if they're just kind of.

957
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: Like if the team's tougher than them, or if they're

958
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: kind of scrubs, like if.

959
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: They're giving one hundred and ten percent. You see that,

960
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're just playing a better team and you're

961
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: getting your brains kicked in. You got to be there

962
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: for them. But if everybody went out the night before

963
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and it is a little hung over and they showed

964
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: up late and they're just kind of lolligaging through the game,

965
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: then maybe you need to get in their face a

966
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: little bit.

967
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Sounds like you might be referencing college sports at this point.

968
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: You're like, the ten year olds are hungover, Yeah that

969
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: was it, and too many brownies last night, I will.

970
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: You know, those pre night parties we had in the

971
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: in Little league. So anyway, so so big news out

972
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: erects some congratulations to the men's and women's clubs, and

973
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait now to watch the upcoming season where

974
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: they're finally going to make it. I mean they've been acquiring.

975
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: There is one more thing I will say. It's funny

976
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: people think, oh, they've made it now, and if you

977
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: don't know the world of professional football over in Europe,

978
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: this just means, honestly, Rob and Ryan are going to

979
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: spend more money because then to get once you get

980
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: to that next level, you're the bottom of the barrel

981
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: in that next level, right, you're moving up. And so

982
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: everybody's been doing this for a while. They have better players,

983
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: they have better coaching, they have better facilities. So now

984
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: you get to that next level, if you want to

985
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: compete there, you got to spend more money and then

986
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: more money, and so it is kind of a never

987
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: ending battle.

988
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: Okay, well, since you got to give a congratulations, I'm

989
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: going to give a congratulations, and actually it has to

990
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: do with money a little bit.

991
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, a big.

992
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: Congrats too, Absolutely champion. There aren't even enough words to

993
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: describe her incredible legacy and talent. Simone Biles. Simone got married,

994
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: sham Now I know someone a little bit because I

995
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: interviewed her when she did her season of Dancing with

996
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: the Stars, and I mean Wow, you want to talk

997
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: about a hard work or somebody who puts their.

998
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: All in and one of the greatest gymnasts of all

999
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: times all the time, there's no way to put it intowards.

1000
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: So she just got married. And interestingly she kind of

1001
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 3: said on this one, well, she didn't totally put her

1002
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: all in in this way. This is a courthouse wedding.

1003
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: She got married at court with her now husband, apparently

1004
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: because they are going to have a bigger destination wedding

1005
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: in a few weeks, so they had to go legally

1006
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: knock it out in America. But Simone says on Instagram, well,

1007
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: she didn't really have it fully together for her wedding

1008
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: look for the courthouse wedding, she just he's got a

1009
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty dollars dress, ordered some shoes on Amazon.

1010
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: Looked beautiful. But everybody's kind of loving that she is

1011
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: wearing such an affordable dress and these kind of inexpensive

1012
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: shoes for her wedding. Now, she did say she's got

1013
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: some more major fashion looks coming for the big wedding.

1014
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: But I love this, I mean again, congrats on getting

1015
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: officially legally married. Period.

1016
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, she got married to Houston, Texan's

1017
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: NFL football player Jonathan Owens. So sports on sports. When

1018
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: they have kids, they're gonna have some freakish DNA.

1019
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: This is gonna be amazing.

1020
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, stud NFL football player, one of the greatest

1021
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: gymnasts ever. Wow.

1022
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I wanted to talk to you about the

1023
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: money part of it.

1024
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Uh huh, because we've been planning our wedding.

1025
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that she did this. I've actually

1026
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not joking. I've been looking like on

1027
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: Zara at some dresses I have because I just don't

1028
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: think it. I am not here for the spending a

1029
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: ton of money on the wedding dress thing. And I

1030
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: don't judge it. Like, if you want to do it,

1031
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: I guess if you have the money, it's an important

1032
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: day and so do that. But for me, I can't

1033
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: do it. I would rather spend our money on traveling,

1034
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: on experiences together. Look, you have to put a certain

1035
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: amount of money into a wedding day to have a

1036
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: great experience, which you want to have. You want to

1037
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: have a fun party with your friends, and that costs

1038
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: some money. But I can't get behind. I mean, some

1039
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: people spend tens of thousands of dollars on wedding dresses.

1040
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: Sophia Richie Lionel Richie's daughter, by the way, a lovely man.

1041
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: I interviewed him many times on American Idol and just

1042
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: like a mirindous man. Rich You've seen him in concert.

1043
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Y, Yes, I went to a lot of Richie concert

1044
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: in Vegas because I love him.

1045
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: So his daughter just got married at one of the

1046
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: most incredible expensive I've never been there hotels in France,

1047
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: and she wore at least three Chanel wedding dresses, I think,

1048
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know if she paid for those. I

1049
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: don't know if she got those for free. Whatever, do

1050
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: your thing, but for me, Simone might as she has

1051
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: a big destination wedding coming up. She said she's got

1052
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: more going on. But I love that she did this

1053
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: because it doesn't have to be like ultimately. One thing

1054
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: to remember is if you're too focused, I think, and

1055
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: I've been married before and the first time around I

1056
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: probably was a little too focused on the party and

1057
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: all that. If you're too focused on that, I don't know,

1058
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: you got to remember what the day is really about.

1059
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: And as we wrap things up, obviously, Simone Biles as you.

1060
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: Mention was on Dancing with the Stars, and we started

1061
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: this show, and we'll end it with a couple of

1062
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: actually a couple of said notes, because as we've been

1063
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 1: doing this, we just learned, Oh my gosh, one more

1064
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I know.

1065
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: I just pulled this up on my phone. Out with

1066
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: Harry past someone you can't even put into words. First

1067
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 2: of all, ninety six years old, Harry Belafonte, perhaps best

1068
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: known for the song we all know Deo, the Banana

1069
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: Boat song. But he, I mean an incredibly award winning musician,

1070
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: an activist. He organized the We Are the World concert,

1071
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: helped fight for civil rights, to help fight poverty, was

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Speaker 2: a very outspoken, vocal, talented, just undeniable figure. He I

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Speaker 2: just looked this up. I didn't know he was the

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Speaker 2: first person ever to sell a million albums.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say he was the Bono

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Speaker 1: before Bono. I'm someone who took his status as a

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Speaker 1: incredible musician and used it for bigger, better things that

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Speaker 1: he wanted to fight for.

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Speaker 2: He'd set the standard. So Harry Belafonte, rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: My God, what a life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and same to God. Bless Lynn Goodman, the legendary

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the stars, judge who had been with the

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Speaker 1: show for seventeen years who passed away, and again a reminder,

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Speaker 1: we're going to drop a very special Lynn Goodman edition

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Speaker 1: of the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever. Until then, thank you

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