1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I've Never told you production of iHeart Radio. And welcome 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: to episode eight of our reruns of the Last of 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Us the TV show. This was the pin ultimate episode. 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: It was a very intense one. I was discussed in 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: this episode. This is, in my opinion, the scariest part 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: of the game. It's when you're playing as Ellie and 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: you don't really have any weapons, and it's just it's 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: a grim It's a grim episode. It's a grim part 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: of the game. By the way, I just beat the 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: Last of Us to again Surprise. After we got back 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: from Seattle, I replayed it and it was it was 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: very I'm just I know I say it all the time, 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: but I'm very good at that game. I did it 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But now I'm replaying well for the first time. 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm playing Silent Hell to the remake, and I'm horrible 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: at it because I'm so used. 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 2: I can't learn the new buttons. 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: I am dying like all the time, like I'm on 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: the verge of I've been on the verge of death 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: for at least three hours, and that's the entirety of 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the time I played I'm gonna try again tonight and 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: see if. 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: I can improve some things. I'm gonna like practice or something. 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: You got good. 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: It's not good, but yes, this is one of my 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: favorite parts of the game, as brutal as it is, 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: so please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: not going to stepan never told you protection, No, iHeartRadio 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and welcome to what is probably the penultimate episode of 31 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: our Last of Us, a mini series special wherein we 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: react and discuss the HBO Max series, which is not 33 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: a sponsor, And thank you to everyone who is. Lovingly 34 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned that there's an official podcast that they listen to. 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: That's all right, I understand. 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: I haven't listened to it. Does that make you feel better? 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: I only listen to you Annie. Oh thanks, But I 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: do have to remind you that, yes, we are not sponsored. 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's all friendly. It's all in good fun. 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure you hope. 41 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do appreciate you've been hosting. 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: We've been having watched parties. They've been a lot of fun. 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: So as always, there will be spoilers for episode eight, 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: called When We Are in Need, the most recent episode 45 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: of the Last of Us and all of the episodes 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: before that. Samantha was very good, has been very good 47 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: of trying to get me to not spoil anything else. 48 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: So I think, I think we can do it. 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: This one thing. 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: We got, this we do, but. 51 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: I oh, I want to be like, let off the leash. 52 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: I know I will wait, but we know even with 53 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: this finale, you still can't be fully off the leash. 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm gonna I'm gonna put some 55 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: annoying teaser bag teaser things at the end of this one. 56 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: If you don't want to hear them, you can skip it, 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: but I have to put them in, Okay, and if 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, then you know. So 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: these are coming out every Saturday after the most recent 60 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: episode has aired on Sunday, uh and they are replacing 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: my bi weekly Happy Hours, which you've probably noticed have 62 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: been classics. 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: That will we'll go. 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Back to our regular schedules scheduling programming once this is over, 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: probably probably probably They have announced a season two and three, 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: but I think that'll be at least two years from now. 67 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, well sort of prepping. 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, content warning on this one. We're not going to 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: get too in depth on these because this sounds really dire, 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: and this episode is really dire, but we are going 71 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: to be talking about them. Some pedophilia, sexual assault, attempts, cannibalism, 72 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: child abuse, and torture. This is the seconds. There's only 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: one more episode left, and I just saw headline that 74 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: it was record breaking with seventy four viewership increase from 75 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the premiere. 76 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: It was a lot. 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: It was huge increase, so a lot of people watched it, 78 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and it was quite disturbing. 79 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: I'll say that. 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I got a lot of once again angry text. Well sorry, 81 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: So with that teaser, if you haven't seen it, can 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: you give us your excellent recap of the episodes? 83 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 3: Man? 84 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: Well, before we do that, I need to know. 85 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: I need to do a check in because there's one 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: episode left. 87 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 4: One episode. How are we doing? Annie? 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, you saw, I'm like excited. Now it's Tuesday. It 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: doesn't come out till next Sunday. I'm very, very excited. 90 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be absolutely bonkers. I did 91 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: get spoiled on one thing. I'm atle mad about that, 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: but that's okay. 93 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 4: Did I do it? 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you did it. 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: No, you did it, but it had in conjunction with 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: something else that happened together. It spoiled down something. I 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: do think it's it's only forty three minute song. I 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: think it's going to pack in a lot. I think 99 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: there was a recent article with Bill Ramsey where she 100 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: said this is going to really divide the fandom, and 101 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: I think that it will, and that's one of the 102 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: big things I've been wanting to talk about since the beginning. Yeah, 103 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm very very excited. I like that 104 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: kind of like angsty conversation that's gonna come out of it. 105 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm worried there's gonna be a lot of like anger 106 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: and hate, but that's kind of part for the course 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: for gaming, so that's unfortunate. 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: So I'm nervous as well, but I am very excited. 109 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 110 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: Oh and are you doing okay? 111 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: Knowing that your Sundays are about to be a little 112 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: bit emptier with. 113 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: I am going to miss them. It's been really fun. 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: We hang out, we have like a meal, we drink, 115 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: we talk, and then we watch it together and then 116 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: I watch it again. 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: It's like you and my partner have a new tradition 118 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: where you watch it immediately after and I go to bed. 119 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: After everyone has left in Samantha's gun to bed, we 120 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: start again, and I just like picking up on things 121 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: that like I don't really watch TV that often. I 122 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: have it on in the background a lot, but I 123 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: don't really like sit and watch, especially in a group, 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: very often. So it's been fun to do that, be like, oh, 125 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: look at that Easter egg, go look at that thing. 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: I am. I'm gonna miss it a lot in two years. 127 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, I would say, even 128 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: if I have, you know, critiques about it, wish I 129 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: will talk about. And I've heard some from my friends 130 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 1: about it, like oh it's too short, it's moved too fast, 131 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: or all that stuff. I think it's good, Like undeniably, 132 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: it's very good. And that has been very nice to 133 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: like just watch something and be have this kind of 134 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: feedback of people like oh wow, I'm watching it now 135 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and I love this and this scared me so much, 136 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: or whatever it is from people in person and from 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: people online. 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: It's been very fun. 139 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: Good. 140 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: I'm glad now that we've done the check in, let's 141 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: do this recap ready, so we open up to watching 142 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: a new group of people sitting together reading a verse 143 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: from Revelation it seems that they are very churchy, very 144 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: religious group of people. They are mourning. At the same 145 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: time they're worshiping together. A young woman, young lady probably teens, 146 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: is crying and cannot stop from during that time in 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: which he comes over, he being the pastor or the 148 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: leader as we know, find out his name is David, 149 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: and if you. 150 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: Know, you know warning. 151 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: He comes over to talk to her, talking about, you know, 152 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: letting the dead russ and knowing that it's hard to 153 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: lose people we are together, all these things, and then 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: she says, can we at least bury him? And it's 155 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: talking about her father who had gotten killed, named Alec, 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: and he said, everybody stops. We look around, and he 157 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: looks over at probably the secondhand man. 158 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: Who was played by Troy Baker, And if you don't 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: know who that is, we'll explain in a minute, but 160 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: it is. 161 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: Important and we've talked about him before, and his name 162 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: is James, and they kind of give each other the 163 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: face and the David, the leader comes around and he's like, 164 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: you know, we knew, we've talked about this. 165 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: We can't bury him because the ground is too cold. 166 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: It is a wintry, renty wintry mess, ice and cold 167 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: and snow. Everywhere you feel it, you feel in the colors, 168 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: you feel it in their face as they walk out. 169 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 4: After the meeting, David goes to speak. 170 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: With James and there was like, oh, there seems to 171 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: be a lot of doubt there, and James's like, people 172 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: are just scared. He's like, no, I'm not talking about them, 173 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: and ret row not a good sign. Then we hear 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: him saying, you know, come on, we're going to go 175 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: try to find deer, which people have said that have 176 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: been seen out around. 177 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: We cut two. 178 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: Ellie is in the basement with Joel still who was 179 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 3: still unconscious, as she's freaking out, trying to give him 180 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: some water because she's like, are you thirsty? And then 181 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: she splits us two bites of food I guess a 182 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: jerky and places one on his chest hoping that he 183 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: will eat. 184 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 4: Then she takes his rifle decides to go hunt. She hunts, 185 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: and he actually gets a deer. 186 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: There is a moment that you think she's about to 187 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: kill a rabbit, which if you've played. 188 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: The game, you know you know beat dubs. 189 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: She does not, So we go on to see that 190 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 3: she's following the track into the bloody deer. 191 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: Because she did get a shot off. 192 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: Then we come back to James and David, who has 193 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: discovered this dead deer looking around. They're like, well, they're 194 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: not here, so maybe we can grab it. We can 195 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: go quickly, which Ellie pounces and she's like, step away 196 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: from the deer. 197 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 4: Put down your rifle, and David turns around. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 198 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: We don't want to rob you. What if we give 199 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: you a trade? Let me put down the rifle. Bah 200 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: bah them put down the rifle. And he's like, we 201 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: got a whole village of people we would need to feed, 202 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: and she's like, so do why And then he's like, well, 203 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: how about you know, we do a trade. And he's 204 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: like we've got food, we've got boots, and she's like 205 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: do you have medicine and he's like, well, yes, we do. 206 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: And so she's like, okay, well, why don't your buddy 207 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: boy go and grab the stuff. You stay with me, 208 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: and if he brings it, we can split the deer. 209 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: Which I still can't understand how that was going to happen. 210 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: How was she even going to drag the deer? How 211 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: is she going to cook the deer? There were so 212 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: many questions, but I get it. But during this time, 213 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 3: and you know, James's like, oh am, I supposed to 214 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: kill her. And he's like, no, this is not code. 215 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: Go get Pennis, Go get syringes. Go now, we'll stay 216 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: here Ellie and hit them hang out for a minute. 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: Ellie empties the guns and he's like, why don't we 218 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: go into that shelter. I've got supplies to make a fire, 219 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: and we'll just hang out until James comes back. 220 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: Cool. Cool, Cool. 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: They go and sit and there's this lot of philosophical 222 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: conversation happening in this moment, very important conversation in which 223 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: she talks about you know, it's all. 224 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 4: About luck or whatever. He's like, I don't believe in luck. 225 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: For instance, let me tell you this. I sent a 226 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: bunch of men to a village to go see if 227 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: they can find supplies, and turns out they were murdered 228 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: by this really crazy man. 229 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 4: And get this, this crazy man had a little girl 230 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 4: with him. Shoot to see. I don't this is what 231 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: I mean. This is fate. 232 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: And then we see that James has got a gun 233 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: on her, in which David says stop giving the syringes. 234 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: She can go. Essentially, he's like, what you know, Like yeah, He's. 235 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: Like, I can help you. You're not going to survive 236 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: here out in the cold alone. 237 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: And again she's like, you know, I'm not alone. Be fine. 238 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: He's like, we can help you. But whatever, whatnot. 239 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: She takes the medicine, runs away, comes to Joel, and 240 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: then she gives him a shot of venicella into his wound, 241 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: which our friend Marissa, who is in the nursing field 242 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: who you have heard from, had a lot of critique 243 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: on this, the way that she was putting the medicine in, 244 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: but she does it does well, keeps going. This time, 245 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: David and James returned to the village. They're like, look, 246 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: we got venison. But before they get there, all the 247 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: townspeople are eating some kind of yummy meat and everybody 248 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: kind of sits there and goes, what are we eating? 249 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: And they're like venison And then they're like, wait, but 250 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: the venison wasn't there, how hmm. But David comes back 251 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: trying to be joyous, like, look we got deer, we 252 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: got meat, and they are all somber and quiet, and 253 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: he's like, if you've heard this rumor that yes, we 254 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: did find that man. 255 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 4: We did. 256 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 3: I did let her go, but we will go back 257 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: and track them down. At that point, the same young 258 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: teenage girl gets up and says, you should kill them, 259 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: you should kill both of them, at which point David 260 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: comes over and violently slaps her and says, you know, 261 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: you act like you don't have a dad. I'm your daddy, 262 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: and that's not in the internet way we were talking about. 263 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 264 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: So as that goes down, we realize, oh, he's not cool. 265 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 4: This is not cool. 266 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 3: So he does take a group of men and they 267 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: go on their way to hunt him down. While she's 268 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: singing with Joel, she goes back out trying to look 269 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: around to see I guess either maybe get the breath 270 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: of fresh air or a situation, and she hears a 271 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: noise like, oh, fluttering of birds. Obviously something's disrupted the atmosphere. 272 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: Goes and sees that the men have come back, followed 273 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: her to the house. So she goes downstairs, gives Joel 274 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: a knife and says, I'm gonna try to lead them away, 275 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: but if they do come down here, kill them, And 276 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: so she does that. She puts a bookshelf against the door, 277 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: runs away, takes the poor horse, choos off at them, 278 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: tries to distract them. 279 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: As she does, the horse gets shot. 280 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: Very sad I hated that, and she falls off, falls unconscious, 281 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: and David and James and another man take her back 282 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: to the village, while three others stay behind to hunt 283 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: down Joel, in which David says, if you want your vengeance, 284 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: go get it, so we'd go too. They go away 285 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: and huh, and we see that she is locked up. 286 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: She wakes up and she's like, what's going on? Why 287 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: am I in a cage? And then he goes through 288 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: all of these conversations about how, oh you know, I 289 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: can he be here to help you. We're one and 290 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: the same. I have a violent way and so do you. 291 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: I've always known this and I. 292 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: See it in you. We are much alike. We can 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: do a lot together. 294 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: And then does that creepy thing where he touches her 295 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: hand and be implying things, not good things, in which 296 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: at that point he's like, what's your name? 297 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: And she's like, I don't care, like try not to him, 298 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: and then she. 299 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: Breaks his finger and this ruckus happens, and she tries 300 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: to grab the keys and he bangs her head against 301 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: the door and she falls back and he's like, I 302 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: tried to help you, because at that point he was 303 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: bargaining everything from like you'll be helped, you won't be alone. 304 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 4: We'll let Joel go. 305 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell the men to stop hunting them. They 306 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: listen to me. I'm a leader, you're a leader. 307 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: And at that point, because he's bad, he goes, now, 308 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: what you what's going to happen to you? 309 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Now? 310 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: What's going to happen to him? You know this is 311 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: on you. Essentially, I'm gonna go take care of things. 312 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: So he runs out after calling her media words which 313 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: would be bleeped. 314 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: On here, so I won't say it. Flash back to 315 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: oh No. 316 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: The men are hunting Joel down and one of them 317 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: discover where he is. 318 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: But Joel woke up, realizes he has to. 319 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: Get into survival tactic, kills one man real hard and 320 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: then tortures another man oh and knocks out both men, 321 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: essentially ties him up, put him in the same area, 322 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: talks to one man who's tied down, who wakes up 323 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: when he was unconscious to see Joel like covering over him, 324 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: saying where is she? Where did they take her all 325 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: the tricks of the torture. He's like, if you don't 326 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: tell me, I'm gonna blow off your kneecaps. He just 327 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: goes like, man, man, you don't have to do this, 328 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: and then he stabs his knee and we hear him 329 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: scream and the buddy boy scream in the background. And 330 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: so he says, point to where she is on this map, 331 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: and if your partner doesn't agree, y'allre both dead, in 332 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: which the dude does, do do, dude, I'll tell her. 333 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: I tell you here she is, and then he kills them. Anyway, 334 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: the other dude was like, man, what are you doing? 335 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: Why did you do that? I'm never going to tell you. 336 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: Now he's like, that's fine, I believe him, and then 337 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: he kills him too, and then so he goes after Ellie. 338 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: At this point in time, we see James and David come. 339 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: Back grab her out of the cellar. Oh big key point. 340 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: She had seen ears on the floor and. 341 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: Realizes they have been eating people and she accuses them 342 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: of being monsters and she would never She asks him, 343 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: are you going to chop me up in tiny pieces? 344 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: And now he comes back and he's like, yeah, I'm 345 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: going to chop you up in tiny pieces. So they 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: grab her, put her on the butcher block, essentially ready 347 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: to go to town. She starts screaming, no, don't do this, 348 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: don't do this. I'm infected, and they both stop and 349 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: they're like what, because he had at this point gotten 350 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: bitten by her and had a bloody, bloody nub of 351 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: a hand, just getting his bloody hand, and she's like, 352 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: roll up my sleeve. Look you'll see, you'll see I'm infected, 353 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: and now so are you. So they pull up her 354 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: sleeve and James is freaking out and David's trying to 355 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: figure things out. He's like, there's no way, there's no 356 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: way you'd have turned by now, you'd turn by now, 357 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: And this gives her enough time to grab the axe 358 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: and hack James in the neck, which he dies violently, 359 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: while she rolls off and runs away and David is 360 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: shooting at her and chases her down into a restaurant 361 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: of that little area. She throws a burning branch stick 362 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: at him, which hits a curtain, sets the place on 363 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: fire slowly, and he's like, you know what I am 364 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 3: going to take you. 365 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. 366 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: You are going to live, and so am I all 367 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: of these things, and I am good. I decided you 368 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: do need a father and I will be your father. 369 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: That feels very threatening, and. 370 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: Then he does a whisper I'm coming to get you. 371 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 3: Where are you? Illy does all of that stuff, and 372 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: she's hiding in the background. 373 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: She jumps on him. 374 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: He is able to take her down, and at this 375 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: point we know things are getting gross because he is 376 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: implying that he's about to rape her at that point, 377 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: but she's able to grab a knife jams it in 378 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 3: his neck. 379 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: He flips off. She pounces on him. 380 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: And repeatedly stabs him, repeatedly stabs him in a very 381 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 3: violent and malicious way, screaming, and then she runs out 382 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: the door, traumatized, bloody. When Joel comes around and grabs her, 383 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: she's freaking out, thinking to someone else, until he captures 384 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: her face and says it's me, It's me, and she 385 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: stops to look and he hugs her and says I 386 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: got you, baby girl, as she's saying he was about 387 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: to and then they leave. 388 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 389 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: I like how you always ended with it, dude. 390 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: I feel like it has to happen. 391 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent as always, Thank you, Samantha. I do want 392 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: to a couple of like housekeeping at the top. Number 393 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: one is in the last episode we kind of made 394 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: a very vague, weird dimension of the rabbit scene. Yes, 395 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: if you've been like turning over your head, what could 396 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: they have meant about that? So there's an infamous scene 397 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: in the game where Ellie there's like a pretty rabbit. 398 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: It like literally goes to the serene. It goes from 399 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: like you think Joel has done hard cut. You are 400 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: now Ellie and you're hunting, and that there's no other explanation. 401 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: You were playing as Ellie now, which I'm going to 402 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: talk about more in a second. And you see this 403 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: rabbit and it's so pretty, it's like snow is glistening 404 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: in the light. You're like, oh, rabbit, and then an 405 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: arrow comes from right through the neck, blood everywhere. And 406 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: the reason why it's kind of infamous is because a 407 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: lot of those like YouTube videos where a guy is 408 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: usually a guy is like, hey, girlfriend, come watch me 409 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: play this, or come play this. Look how cute, and 410 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: then they're shocked and horrified at what happens. And so 411 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about that and that's why 412 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think with the effects, it 413 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: would have been worse the cost of what would have taken. 414 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: They had a nod at it. 415 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: They had a little like that, and they did switch 416 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: up her lessons. So in the game she has a 417 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: bow and arrow, but they gave her for the show, 418 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: and I'm assuming they'll never have her using a bow 419 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: and arrow in especially in season one, because that's not 420 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: being introduced at all. 421 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that is because what I'm going 422 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: to talk about more in a second, But because these 423 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: are video games, I've seen a lot of arguments about 424 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: like why did they cut this? 425 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: Why did they cut this? 426 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: There is a whole scene where you're playing as Ellie 427 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: where you have to work with David when you first 428 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: meet him, and there are clickers, there are bloaters. 429 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: You have to fight all of them. 430 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: And in the game that's meant to endear you to him, 431 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: like you have to work together. 432 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: He does. 433 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: Protect her, he gives her weapons like you know you 434 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: do you have to work with him, And part of 435 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: that is she only has the bow and arrow and 436 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: he gives. 437 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: Her the rifle. 438 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: It's not Joel's rifle because she leaves that with him 439 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: thinking something maybe he'll need it. But it's also because 440 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: you have a whole scene. As I said in the 441 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: last one, this is the scariest section of the game 442 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, because suddenly you're playing is Ellie. Ellie 443 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: is much smaller, She has like no weaponry other than 444 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: a couple of things, and is like where's Joel can 445 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: take a lot of good hits. She can't, but she's stealthier, Like, 446 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: she has things that she's better at than Joel, and 447 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: like I said, one of them is she can kill 448 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: it clicker in one hit. 449 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: Joel can't do that generally. 450 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: But the bow and arrow is like the compromise because 451 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: they can't hear you use the bow and arrow, So 452 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: if you're. 453 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Really good at it, it's like my favorite weapon. 454 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: Then you can take out a lot of people and 455 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: they'll never hear it, so you're still kind of being 456 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: stealthy but taking people out. 457 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think they'll introduce it at all 458 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: in this season. 459 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I have so much to say about this one, 460 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: but I do want to start with Also, yes, Troy Baker. 461 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: Who's on the podcast. 462 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: Is the voice actor of Joel and also a lot 463 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: of other like if you've played any video game, in 464 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: this realm. You've probably heard him. He does do a 465 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: lot of these kind of griff fatherly figures. It turns 466 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: out I'm telling you about that TikTok. People have been 467 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: sent to me about people cosplaying his quote try Baker's daughter, 468 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: because in so many video games he plays that role. 469 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: He was James who is the Creeper number two And 470 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: you can watch the you know, behind the show afterwards 471 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 1: where he talks about like how amazing this was, how 472 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: rewarding it was for him. He never thought he'd do this. 473 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: He thought maybe he'd be a clicker at most. It 474 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: was cool to it's like we talked about Samantha. It's 475 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: cool to see that they're including the voice actors in it, 476 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: at least some of them. And it was kind of 477 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: a bit. It kind of messed with my mind about 478 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: because in the game he's Joel, yeah, and he's protecting 479 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: Ellie and he looks like Joel. 480 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 2: And then. 481 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: We all had a bet about who was gonna end 482 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: up killing James, and so many people was like, it's 483 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: gonna be Joel on Joel, but it was Ellie on Joel, 484 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: which was almost the worst. 485 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: I know. 486 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I was like, and then he's the one that shoots 487 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: the horse and puts her in this like really dangerous situation. 488 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: So that was a really interesting right. 489 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: And he also knew about the cannibalism. 490 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: Oh I forgot that part where Joel sees the dead 491 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: bodies without their heads hanging upside down. 492 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 4: We'll creep this. 493 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like like curing like meat in their plastic acts. 494 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: And oh they're the dead, including the father. Yes, they 495 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: did not bury. 496 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: Yes, And so David is sitting in front of this 497 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: poor girl who he just slept and she's eating and 498 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: she is eating her father, who she's so worried about 499 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: it wants to bury and she does it though, and 500 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: it's like one of the most. 501 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: Disturbing and disturbing and BT doves. We did not mean to, 502 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: but we do have food during our before us, and 503 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: we ended up having like a meat stew. And I 504 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: did not think about it until my partner's sister because 505 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: she knows we have these themed things and typically it's 506 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: not just themed on Last of Us. It could be 507 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: like something's happening that week, but we're just going to 508 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: make this thing. 509 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: And she asked, did you have be stew? 510 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: We were like, oh, my God, we did, and I 511 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: did not even think about it until then. 512 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: I thought about it, and then I was like, I'm 513 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: not going to mention it because I don't want anybody 514 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: to feel like nauseous. 515 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: It's nauseating, but I thank. 516 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: You for that. It wasn't. 517 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: After I thought, I was like, oh, shoot, we did well. 518 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: They don't really. 519 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: Show that in the game, like you know it's happening, 520 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: but you don't have like such a visceral graphic scene 521 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: of everybody eating it and not knowing. 522 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. 523 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: But also our lovely friend aforementioned versa, she made this 524 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: wonderful meal, but I did not know there was going 525 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: to be a beef stew. 526 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have told her no, but I didn't know 527 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: that was going to be part of it. 528 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so delicious. She slept overs and I'm 529 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 3: eating it still. It's one of my favorite things. We 530 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: were telling her. It feels like just a homy hug 531 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: the soup does. 532 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 4: But then you think about in that context, you're like, oh, 533 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: never mind. 534 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there's something about all of them because they're 535 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: so hungry, and there's like the clanking of the spoons 536 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: against them silently. If to know this is human and 537 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: it's their friend that they're all crying about. 538 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 4: So that this morning, Oh my gosh. Anyway, moving okay. 539 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, So I did want to go back to 540 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the point of playing Ali during the game. So, as 541 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: I said in the previous episodes, the first game is 542 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: divided by seasons h and they get progressively shorter hints. 543 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: Why there's only one episode left, and you do play 544 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: as Ali during the winter section, and I think it 545 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: is the serious section. As I've said, you don't know 546 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: that Joel has survived the first hint. You get that 547 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: he has survived when she's like medicine, medicine and they're like, oh, 548 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: maybe he's still He's still there. But if you've listened 549 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: or watched the behind the show thing, if you've read 550 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: some of the articles about this game, this whole section 551 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: is what inspired the game. What Neil Druckman, the creator, 552 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: inspired him to do. It was because he writes about 553 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: this game he played where wherein it's a very traditional 554 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: game where you're playing the kind of like I got 555 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: to rescue the incess in the castle situation as a 556 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: male protagonist, and then it turns out not only does 557 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: she not need rescuing, she rescues you, so it really 558 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: flips and then you're playing as her. So this was 559 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: what he really wanted to explore. And it kind of 560 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: like I was thinking about this last night when I 561 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: was trying to get over the nightmare I had about 562 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: a spider. 563 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: Long story. 564 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: But whatever, it's unfortunate, but I don't know too many 565 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: games we have done that, Like a lot of times 566 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: you do just play, you know, your traditional hero character, 567 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: and he saves your younger, innocent character, usually a woman 568 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: or a girl. And we're going to talk about that 569 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: more in the finale episode, and we have talked about 570 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: it in our episode on survival gaming, because. 571 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: That's still there in this as well. 572 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: But it was like a new thing, like suddenly you 573 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: are playing as Ellie, this young girl, and it's like 574 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: totally up to her to save. And in fact it's 575 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: interspersed with Joel waking up. He does do this torture scene. 576 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: Like I said in the last one. I know this 577 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: sounds strange, but it's a really cool game mechanic because 578 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: he's still sick, so he can't like aim as well. 579 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: He'll fall over like he's not doing well, but you 580 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: still think he's gonna save her and then. 581 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: He doesn't. 582 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: It's just like the timing of it, but the way 583 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: it's cut, you still think, oh, okay, but that's not 584 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: what happens. And that's what they said in the behind 585 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: the show things that that was like the opposite of 586 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: what they wanted was for him to come in and 587 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: save her, but that you're still expecting it because that's 588 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: the story we see all of the time, and even 589 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, to an extent, you want it to happen, 590 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: like you don't want Ellie to have to deal with 591 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: this this horrific thing. And one of the things I 592 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: love about this game, which I'm gonna have a lot 593 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: more to say about this in the final episode, but 594 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: one of the things I do love about it is 595 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: this event does not leave Ellie. She is traumatized after this, 596 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: like she It changes the way she interacts with you 597 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: and with the world. She is notably despondent and like 598 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: just gets distracted, kind of doesn't listen, Like I really 599 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: like that they didn't just put under the rug, like, oh, 600 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: she she went through this horrible thing and. 601 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: Killed this guy. No, it stays with her. 602 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: For a long time in the game, and there are 603 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of big cuts in the game, which has been 604 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: I think the source of some people is like wait 605 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: a minute, because it just it'll just cut to spring, 606 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll just cut to winter or whatever, and you miss 607 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: kind of a section of them traveling. But and that's 608 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: also like it's unclear how long Joel has been very 609 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: sick in the game, but it's it's not like days, 610 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: it's longer than that. And she the whole, like DLC 611 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: left behind, she had all already kind of exhausted these 612 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: efforts of healing him. So it's not like a couple 613 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: of days. But you know, it's not clear either. All right, 614 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: But we got to talk about this cannibal group, Okay, 615 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: so they really leaned into the religious aspect, which I'm 616 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: going to come back to in this. In the game, 617 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: there is that, but it's like not nearly as prevalent, 618 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: but it is another example that we've talked about throughout 619 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: this of like humans are the worst, Like you've got 620 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: your infected, but what's the. 621 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: Real horror here is humans? And so the big. 622 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: Gosh, the big thing with David he is so creepy, 623 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because you do work with him. 624 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 4: He identifies with those zombies. 625 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: He does he has a whole speech where he's like, 626 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: they're fruitful, they multiply, they provide, and they protect using 627 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: violence when necessary. He does have this strange They kind 628 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: of played it up, especially between him and James. People 629 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: were starting to doubt him because there was no food, 630 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: they were being deprived of food. They were starting to 631 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: doubt his leadership, and he was getting more and more 632 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: angry at his own group and especially around Ellie. Ellie 633 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: was kind of like this blowing up of like, no, 634 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: I think we need her, and they were like, what 635 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: are you talking about. We can't even provide for the 636 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: people that we have. But that whole like his big 637 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: line is everything exists for a reason. When I tell 638 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: you that gives me chills. I was so annoying when 639 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: we were watching. I was like, here it comes. He's 640 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna say it because in the game, that's when you're like, oh, no, 641 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: they know that we killed those people. 642 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 643 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: But him kind of like he says he turned to 644 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: religion after the apocalypse and in part because the cordeous ups. 645 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: He almost makes it sound like that's his God is 646 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: not God, but like cordioships showed him the way you 647 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: see all these like signs he shall provide hanging around 648 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, his constant discussion around fatherhood 649 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: and oh you need a father, I'm your father. 650 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: In his head, he's taking. 651 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: Up this role and it's like a real power trip 652 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: for him, absolutely, And he has so many like petty 653 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: lines that we can you know, we're not talking about cannibals, 654 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: but we can connect to of like, oh, you know 655 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: how it hurts me embarrassed, Ellie, Like you've really humiliated me, 656 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: Like all of these kind of like petty Oh you're 657 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: a guy who's not used to being rejected or any 658 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of like. 659 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: Somebody questioning your authority. 660 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: And then he has also like this whole thing where 661 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm only the leader because they want me 662 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: to be the leader. They need a god, they need 663 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: a father, they need heaven. They're just basically sheep. Well 664 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: he says sheep, but you know, and he's like, I 665 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: want an equal But he's just very condescending of to 666 00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: the people that he's supposedly supposed to look after, which 667 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: I do think is a lot of commentary on religion. 668 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: There's also a lot of commentary of daughters with missing fathers, 669 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: and this was interesting in the behind the show thing 670 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: where they were talking about like, Oh, you think he's 671 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: going to be like a good person and a good 672 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: father and he turns out like the worst, which I 673 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: guess I don't know. I don't think I ever put 674 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: it in my mind like that, but I suppose it's 675 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be some kind of Oh. I think he 676 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: is meant to look like he could be a good guy, 677 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: but he's so creepy. 678 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: Oh anyway, I feel like he's a lot creepier in 679 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: the game from John. 680 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: He's creepier immediately in the game, whereas in the show 681 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: he's like not as creepy, and then oh god, worse. Yeah, 682 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: So this is speaking of This has caused a lot 683 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: of conversation because some people are like, David was never 684 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: pedophilic in the game, and I told you the voice 685 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: actor who played him always intended for him to be 686 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: read that way, and it certainly can be read that way. 687 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: I think it was more overt in the show, but 688 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: it's not like. 689 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 2: It's there. It's there in the game as well. 690 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: Like he does the whole like holding of the hand scene, 691 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: he does the whole like basically become my wife thing 692 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: with Ellie in the game as well. I think what 693 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: really like watching it again, really like struck me is 694 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: I hate he has this line where he was a 695 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: teacher and he taught kids about your age. 696 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: So upsetting. 697 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: But he also has a lot of clients like I'm 698 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: a decent man. You don't know how good I am. 699 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: You do need a father, Like you said, I can 700 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: protect you. It's mercy to protect her. Like he's very 701 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: much painting himself, like, you need me to protect you. 702 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: But if you do anything wrong, anything that is not 703 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: like in my favor, what I think you should do, 704 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: then I'm going to do like the very worst things, 705 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: calling you the very worse things like And there's definitely 706 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: like again commentary, I think about the whole like preacher father. 707 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: Thing happening here. But he, I mean, he's terrified. Like 708 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: this scene. 709 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: Where you're in the restaurant in the game is one 710 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: of the scariest things I've ever played, because you it's 711 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: burning down. He can hear you stepping on glass. He's 712 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: so much bigger than you. He's got like this huge 713 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: cleaver and you have to sneak up on him and 714 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: he's saying like these horrible things. It's just like a 715 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: really upsetting, upsetting scene. 716 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 4: Well, if you're saying all this and we're all like, yeah, 717 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 4: this is our favorite game, y'all. 718 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: I know, we have a really fun idea to maybe 719 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: compare us playing our favorite games, which I think would 720 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: be great. 721 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: Well, so. 722 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: All of this is juxaphose with Yes, Scholl is waking up. 723 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: He's realizing like, oh no, Ellie is in trouble, and 724 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: so he uses the old map trick which we talked 725 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: about in episode six. He does that a couple times 726 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: where he has somebody point to a spot on the 727 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: map and then the other person has to confirm it 728 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that they're not lying. This like really 729 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: horrendous torture scene, and then him you know, struggling through 730 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: to find her and seeing those dead bodies, seeing her 731 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: backpack away. And I do think it's interesting that the 732 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: previous episode no. Episode six set up his like anxiety 733 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: and so much worry of failure, whereas they didn't do 734 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: that in the game, Like he was definitely desperate, and 735 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: you could tell by like how he tortured these men 736 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: and killed them that he was definitely desperate, but it 737 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: didn't set up kind of that like which I felt 738 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: you could feel in his performance of the oh God, 739 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm failing again and here it is. 740 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: But as all this is happening, we see Ellie. 741 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets he threatened, David threatens her with sexual assaults. 742 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: She gets the cleaver and just. 743 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: Like completely is screaming, stabbing him over and over and 744 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: over again, which does happen in the game. And I 745 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: saw the next day a lot of people were like, 746 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: this is she should get an Emmy for this, this performance, 747 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: and it was very you know, I think the first 748 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: time I watch it, I was like, oh, so caught 749 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: up in it, but I have cried at other watches 750 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: because it's so upsetting, like it's so like seeing her so. 751 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: Visceral about it and it's so hurt. And he did 752 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 2: have that. 753 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: David did have that conversation with her where he's like, 754 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: you've got a violent heart. I have one too, I 755 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: see you you in me like I see me and 756 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: you and all of this really upsetting stuff that you 757 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: can tell is like, oh getting in her head. And 758 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: does he say there's no fear in love, which is 759 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: such an upsetting, upsetting line, But this was like, you know, again, 760 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: Ellie didn't need saving. They did say in after the 761 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: show thing like you know, she it was like an 762 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: emotional saving but not like this, and I do love 763 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: she uses that infected trick. 764 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: Is so smart like that she was. 765 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: It was a very show of intelligence during a very 766 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: horrific time when they're about to chop her up into 767 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: pieces and eat her. 768 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: I love the guy and Ellie is. Ellie is the 769 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: girl who broke your finger. 770 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite lines, the little girl who 771 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: broke your finger, because he was so embarrassed. 772 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: Like what am I going to tell the others? 773 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: What will I say? She's like, oh, tell them? But 774 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: then you know, you have the line from the showrunner Cognizon, 775 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: who was like, you know, as much as we love her, 776 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: we have to be a little scared of her. And 777 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: that is something I've said a million times. Ellie is 778 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: so she's got a lot of like curiosity and innocence, 779 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: and she's a child, and I think it's important people 780 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: remember she's a child, because I think they forget. And 781 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: I'll have more to say about that as well. But 782 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: she's terrifying, like I wouldn't mess with her. She will 783 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: kill you. She will kill you. And then yeah, you 784 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: do see kind of this is another example of trauma. 785 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: What does it take to survive in this world? And it, 786 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: as they said in that like after shifting, it scars 787 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: her in a way that forever changes her. It's kind 788 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: of like Riley when Riley died. This is the thing 789 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: that say with her and this whole idea that they 790 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: are very very much hammering home of like Ellie having 791 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: this violent heart of being turning to violence or that's 792 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: the only way she can survive or things like that. 793 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: And again, just like Joel, and the big thing that 794 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: happens here is, you know, finally Joel calls her baby girl, 795 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: which is something that he called his daughter. He hasn't 796 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: used it for twenty years. This is the first time, 797 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: and that's just like the turning point of oh, he's 798 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: finally okay. This is like a daughter figure to me. 799 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: She clings to him. It's like I need some kind 800 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: of comfort. It's it's one of my favorite scenes in 801 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: the game. It's very upsetting, but it's very well done. 802 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: And you know, after again the kind of whole talk 803 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: about what can't fail and seeing this that's definitely definitely 804 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: setting some things up. I also want to just call 805 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: out the sets. This was really on point with the game. 806 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: It was very beautiful, slash terrifying, kind of wintry landscape 807 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: was really good. But yeah, that's it's so funny because 808 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: it's like only sixty minutes, but they packed so much 809 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: into the sixty minutes. 810 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 4: It was full of action, very quick. 811 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 2: It was. 812 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: It was and so many like there was a lot 813 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: of like exclamations of disgust. 814 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. 815 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: It costs a lot of conversation. I do have a 816 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: couple of random things. 817 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: One is, did she lose her pun book in the game. 818 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: She doesn't lose her pun book, but he did not 819 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: pick up her backpack, so I don't know about that. 820 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 4: I'm sure they grabbed it. 821 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 2: I hope so. 822 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: And also, Samantha and I took a BuzzFeed quiz, very legitimate, yes, 823 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed quiz about what character we would be, and. 824 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 4: I got Frank oh, and I was Tess. 825 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 2: Oh who Okay? All excellent. 826 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: Actually, everyone I've talked to about this has gotten a 827 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: different character. 828 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 829 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: I didn't mention in the previous episode how important that 830 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: Aha song is take on me to the series, but 831 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: just to mention that in there, here's my up next 832 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: if you don't want anything. I'm not going to spoil anything, 833 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: but if you don't want anything, you can you can 834 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: click off and return. 835 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 2: Next time there will be. 836 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: A certain animal appearance, perhaps maybe Ashley Johnson, who I 837 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: realized in the previous episode. I just said her name 838 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: and didn't say anything else about her. She's the voice 839 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: actor of Ellie. 840 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: Just Ashley Johnson, and she's somewhat infamoused. She is a 841 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 3: child actor that's been around for a very very long time. 842 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 3: She was in very quickly for the original Avengers as 843 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 3: the waitress. But she is a very distinctive voice. Yes so, 844 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 3: and it's never like she's had since childhood. Like there's 845 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 3: a very distinct way that you when you watch these 846 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 3: family sitcoms, you know you've heard this voice. 847 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and if you know after this ends and 848 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: you're looking for more content, I know I've mentioned it before, 849 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: but you can see a lot of like them filming, 850 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: and she does the filming the games, and she does 851 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: the like acting and body movements and everything. 852 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 2: But it's really cool to see her do it. And 853 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 2: she's great. She's great. 854 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently she's some huge D and D yes I. 855 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 2: Know, yes, I do. 856 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: Also look This was my vague anti promise that they 857 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: are setting some things up. 858 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 2: Okay, like they are really but yeah, it's the end 859 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 2: of the next episode. That's it. 860 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 3: I know, I know we will have another clip of that. 861 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 2: That's what you're in. No, it's gonna be oh my gosh, 862 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. 863 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: But we hope that you have been enjoying these whether 864 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: you've watched the show, played the game, none of the above, 865 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: because we have. 866 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 2: I have, definitely. I hope we have loved doing that. 867 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 2: Yes we have, and I'll miss them. I'll miss them greatly. 868 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: But yes, we will be back next week with our 869 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: final addison. In the meantime, if you like to contact us, 870 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: you can. Our email is Stephanie and Momsteff at iHeartMedia 871 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: dot com. 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