WEBVTT - Amy Ryan 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:17.439 I'm Amy Ryan and I played Holly Flax on The Office. Hello, Hello, everyone, 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:23.120 welcome to another installment of the Office Deep Dive. I 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.319 am your host, Brian bond Gardner. I hope you're doing 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:31.360 very well today, and if you're not well, I think 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.000 I'm about to change that because my guest on the 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:42.199 podcast today is the truly extraordinary Amy Ryan. Now I 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.280 have to come clean about something here, Okay. When Amy 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.320 Ryan showed up on the set of the Office for 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.720 the first time, I freaked out a little bit because 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.360 I am a huge Amy Ryan fan. If you have 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.520 not seen her work prior to the Office, you should 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:07.640 Season two of The Wire Genius. Her Oscar nominated performance 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:15.160 in Gone, Baby Gone is so heartbreaking and amazing. Now, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.240 I interviewed Amy in New York right after my interview 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.600 with Paul Feig, and partly because we live on opposite coasts, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.680 I had not seen Amy in such a long time, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.640 many years in fact, and immediately boom, I'm just so 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.080 happy to see her again. I have this special place 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.960 in my heart for Amy, and what's amazing to me 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.959 is that so many people have a special place in 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.640 their heart for Amy, even though she only appeared in 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:52.240 fifteen of our two hundred plus episodes. I mean, I 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.400 could imagine a world where people were not so fond 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.360 of Amy and the character she played, because basically she's 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:03.200 the reason that Michael left the office. Right. But Amy 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:08.840 was so undeniably perfect and wonderful as Holly that you 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.200 just couldn't help falling in love with her. Plus she 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.000 and I, for better or worse, we are linked together 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:22.560 forever because of the very special Kevin Holly storyline, which 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.160 well you'll hear us get into shortly. Anyway, am I am? 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.760 I gushing? I'm gushing. I can't help it, Ladies and gentlemen, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:40.320 Here she is Amy, Ryan, Bubble and Squeak. I love it, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:47.680 Bubble and squeak, Bubble and Squeaker, cooking every month, lift 0:02:47.880 --> 0:03:02.880 over from the night before. So I was here and 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:08.600 we were thank you anything else. I'm okay, thank yousus. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.440 What's on the list. There's nothing but beverages on this table. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:21.720 I don't know, Hidrake, I'm caffeinating. I was here very briefly. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.560 I saw John Um, they let me get rid of 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:35.640 these Paul things, just get rid of it. And then yeah, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.640 Paul was I think he's doing a pilot and then 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.960 a movie back to back. So he was like, you 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:42.960 can come to New York or else you in May 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:49.040 or something like that. I'll come back. That's great. Yes, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:55.320 how are you good? Really good? Yeah? Um? Alright, So 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.560 before you were cast, did you watch the show? My 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.280 My History The Office started with my neighbor Noline Burke, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.360 who came home from Ireland visiting her family with the 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.920 British series. She said, this is a really funny show. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.880 You have to watch it, and she had, you know, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.400 like the DVD pal or whatever. So I was full 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:24.080 on in convert from the Ricky Gervais series. Then I 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.960 heard they were making an American version and I thought 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.960 that was just blasphemous. Why why can't they just import 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.560 the show? Why do we import our shows or export 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.240 our shows there? But we Americans need to remake something 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.800 that's perfect, And I thought it was the worst idea ever. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.000 And then I started seeing the cast assembled. I was like, oh, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:52.840 this is going to be funny, and it was. And 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.839 I watched the American version happily. Um, and then I thought, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.560 like I I enjoy comedy. I never I'm not good 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.960 at the four cameras sitcom thing. I can't land the 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.839 boom boom, the whatever. But I when I saw The Office, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.039 I was like, oh, this is character based comedy. This 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.640 is not rhythm. I mean, there are some rhythms and 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.719 of course, but like it's not so dependent on that joke. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.480 And then the alternative punchline for that joke that all 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.800 the writers stand around writing and let me get it. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.320 That is like too stressful for me. So anyway the Office, 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.640 I felt like, Okay, here's the world I could fit 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.479 into in terms of building a character. And there, you know, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.400 everything is life for death for them. So what was 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.520 the process of you being cast on the show? Did 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.320 they approached you to come in? That was the year 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.800 I was nominated for an Oscar for Gone, Baby Gone, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.760 and I remember saying to my agent, half joking but 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.240 not really, I was like, you know, if we have 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.880 any role right now, I want to cash it in 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.960 on the Office. I had not heard that, yeah, and 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:12.320 he's like okay. And apparently simultaneously, Paul Lieberstein, who I 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:17.000 had known from sitcom many many years earlier, called the 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.760 Naked Truth that he was writing on knew of me 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.800 but also as a fan of the Wire, And so 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.080 I think I'm not sure who called first, but I 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.080 think both were, Like there was a coincidence of timing 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:34.560 that in that case. So so I showed up, like 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:42.000 what are you doing here? Why? Anyway? I I felt 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.640 very very confident in my decision that this is where 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.760 I wanted to be next because a lot of all, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.479 you know, a lot of the opportunities as well, Like 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.240 there's not much imagination once you maybe poked through with 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.520 a role. You know, as you may know from your 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.360 own experience, like people like, great, we have this new 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.560 role for you, and she's a drug addicted mother. You're like, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.640 you mean, like the one I just played. Okay, that 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.040 doesn't sound like so much fun. For a while, playing 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.960 someone intelligent was not coming to me surprisingly, isn't that frustrating? 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:21.160 It so so? But making those hard right turns and 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.960 giving other people whiplash is what I was after, Like 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.160 it's so certainly like going to a comedy and just 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.360 being well groomed in a role, you know, So I 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.400 was I was really grateful for that that they thought 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.200 it was a good idea too. So when you were cast, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.720 did you at that moment have any idea of where 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.440 it was going to go? No, but I I understood 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.320 that I was there on a trial basis. I think 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.880 it was the last episode like Goodbye Toby. I came in, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.000 and I think it was a pretty fancy addition, basically 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.640 like having not read for the role, like okay, if 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.160 this doesn't work out, because they said, like, you know, 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.440 maybe might might be love interest from Michael Scott. We're 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.680 not sure, but you know, we still have some ideas. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.280 But yet again, there was the British version to kind 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.520 of go By, and there was that character I forget 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.760 her name, but where he finally found someone that the 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.960 affection was mutual. But then I believe that about that 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.800 part is I think where it stopped, like the comparison, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.840 So I knew it was a little up in the 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.600 air and depended on how well I did. I mean, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.000 it felt very welcome by all you guys. But there 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.720 is a weird thing about being a fan of a 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.480 show and then being employed by that show. I remember 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.680 doing it, like one episode of e Er back in 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.400 the day, like shocked that the hallway was so little 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.760 that they did all that choreography of like running through 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.400 with gurneys and such, and you know, the wire was 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.160 the same thing like being a big fan of the 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.080 show and then joining the company in the second season, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.600 it was it's it takes a minute. You're just like 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.680 calm down right, No, No, Well, being a guest star 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.520 is a very difficult thing. You're the transfer student from 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.360 another school. Totally. Yeah, well, who's going to sit with 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:17.840 me at lunch? Were you were? You? Were you nervous 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.200 when you walked onto set the first time? I was nervous. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.760 I can tell because my head is tilted down like this, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.280 and because because my daughter just watched that episode, and 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.439 so having the hindsight, like I was like, oh, yeah, look, 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:36.960 you're not like standing up straight. Yeah, just that little 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.280 till to the head, like maybe no one will notice 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.959 if I mess up. And then I was, And then 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.720 you know, a lot of that quickly subsided because the 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.520 nature of being on the offices, you are a main 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.679 character and an extra all in one. Right. You are 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.440 in the background every scene if you don't have spoken lines. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.720 And I remember were being positioned by one of the 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.240 low file cabinets and pretending to go through papers, and 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.240 kind of shock is all that those papers were like 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.839 old medical records. Yeah, I thought, oh my god, this 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:21.120 is somebody's it's also security number, this is somebody's medical history. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:26.240 This is just shocked anyway, Yeah, they recycle. That was 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.719 Kate flannering I talked about, which I had forgotten. Get 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:34.200 a shredder, people shred your stuff. You might end up 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:59.319 a prop on the office exactly. Your chemistry with Steve 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.640 from the beginning thing is amazing. Did you guys have 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.800 a discussion. I mean, you were a fan of the show, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.679 so you knew his character very well. But how much 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.960 of that was a discussion about you know, potentially Holly 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.440 being the female version of him or is that how 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:22.520 it was described or no, Um, it wasn't described that way, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:28.000 but you know, just in the writing, I mean, it 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.360 was so generous of the writers too offer me those tidbits, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.000 whether it was like rapping with him or you know, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:41.040 the Yoda saying clearly they're saying she is of like kinfolk. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.360 And then just as an actors like, well, I can't 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.160 do you know Steve's bit like I can't and even 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.480 if I tried, I couldn't. But like, how do you 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.360 make it the same but different? You know? Um? And 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.600 I just I just love that idea that there's a 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.520 lid for every pot. You know, I was, I don't 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.360 know my really want to admit this. But after however, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.800 many years playing different parts and theater and other TV 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.160 and film, I get a call from my high school boyfriend. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:17.359 He's like, well, I'm so glad you're finally playing yourself. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:27.600 Really Yeah, and I can't really deny that. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.200 that's amazing. My my like nerdy, geeky side was on 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:40.280 the rise. Yeah. So drug adult single mother. Oh no, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.960 that's part of that's that's the other side of my personality. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:49.160 I like to keep it balanced, don't pigeonhole me. You 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.679 had worked with Steve before, very briefly, yeah or um. So, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.439 Steve started a film called Dan in real life, and PETERR. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.079 Hedges wrote and directed. Peter's an old friend of mine 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.400 and I have really teeny tiny part in there, playing 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.640 his sister in law. It's a big extended family and 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.680 Peter got together a bunch of his New York actor friends. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.000 We all were up in Rhode Island for I don't know, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.560 six eight weeks or so. Anyway, the whole company was 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.280 very close and that's where that's where I met Steve Um. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.080 You know, just chit chatting. We really didn't have any 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.240 scenes together and stuff like that, but I don't I 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.440 don't know. I got asked that a lot about what's 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.960 the chemistry with Steve, and I have to say, I 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.920 have to give him credit for being the most grounded, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:40.640 down to earth creative genius that um you can dream of, 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.600 because he's got a really good thing going on, and 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.520 he he isn't subliminally subliminally like I can. I want 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.520 to change that work as who can say subliminally. He 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.960 is in no way saying back up, let me do 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.480 my thing. I've experienced that on sets with other actors, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.520 like they're they're not even really looking at you or 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.679 you know, they can do it all. They don't even 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.160 need you off camera for their close up. But Steve, 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.600 and I guess that's his early days, you know, improv 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.319 being with a group. He's so generous, and I always 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.120 thought it was weird. He'd be like the first one 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.080 to be like, that's so funny. He'd tell everyone like 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.320 how funny they were, you know, and you just like 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.480 just your shoulders dropped a little bit. You're like a 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.800 little more relaxed each time. But I don't know. I 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.680 did say to him one time, I said, I know 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.920 this sounds really flaky, but um, I really feel like 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.680 I've known you before in my life, and he said 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.480 I feel the same. So I think it was just 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:43.360 about trust and just having fun. Like so you were 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:48.720 there and then you left. And it's interesting because you know, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.360 you talk about Jim and Pam, their relationship played just 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.480 very purely, and then all of Michael's relationships played essentially 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:01.880 totally for comedy, at least until Holly, you know, like 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.840 the Carol, the real estate agents and Jan that was 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.880 like so preposterous and terrible. But I think for me, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.640 even though you guys were so close and that chemistry 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.240 was there in my head, you left and it went away, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.720 like it went away. And for some reason the Herpies 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.720 episode where he calls you, I suddenly went, oh, this 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.640 is it, Like this is this is where they're going. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.480 Where were you in terms of discussion about you coming 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.040 back or did you say no? Where? No? We left 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.520 it open and I'd love to come. But for me, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.280 it was also about location. I live in New York 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.480 and I love being in New York, so I didn't 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.080 want to relocate to Los Angeles. But I was happy 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.400 to come and go. And then also in that time 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.200 then I was pregnant and had my daughter Georgia, So 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:00.320 so there was a big chunk off while that was happening. Yeah, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:06.760 where do you feel like Michael's search for the American dream? 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.960 You know, happiness, success, family? You know that that that's 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.120 all he's looking for and nobody will give it to 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:19.880 him except d whit that he doesn't want anything but 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.840 that it becomes the people that are in this office 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.600 until until you come along. How do you feel like 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.080 that transition for him his character happened or how did 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.120 you see it? Well? I don't know if I can 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:38.920 speak so clearly about Michael in that way, but um, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.840 I just feel like, maybe you know, Michael just became 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.920 just a happier person, and you know, he's still crazy, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.960 That's what I still like, Like he still makes really 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.280 bad choices along the way and things that make other 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.360 people cringe. Like it's not like suddenly Holly comes and 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.000 spreads this magic pixie dust on him and he's like 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.120 a normal person. But she got a little of that too, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:06.199 so it's it's permissible in their world. Um I I 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.000 think you know, when I'm stopped or asked questions. You know, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.719 if it's someone on the street or I just I'm 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.560 always amazed at how much like they root for a 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.200 guy they don't like and they're so glad he met me, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.280 you know that, or you home and I love that. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.720 That's all in conflict with each other. Um So what 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.160 does what does Holly mean? From Michael? I mean, it's 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.919 a guy who's just so so desperate to have a 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.200 win somewhere in his life or to be that guy. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.199 You know, he poses at that for so long and 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.680 then here's someone he doesn't have to work that hard 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.120 with for the I think the first time we see him, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.879 or that we've known him rather and I don't know, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.600 maybe that it's it's all gonna be okay, like if 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.840 there's one phrase to it, like, you know, we all 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.840 matter the end of the day, we all matter. There's 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.480 there is someone for you and if you don't feel 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.560 good along the way, then you you're just with the 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.320 wrong person. And maybe that sounds easier said than done. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.760 There's someone single alone being Yeah, you know, thanks thanks 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.159 for that advice, sing me Ryan, you suck like I 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.439 think I think there's um, I guess progress. It's the 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.480 word he's gotten out of his own way. Yeah, but 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.840 I think that in the show. On the show, all 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.960 of the characters, you bring up a really interesting point 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.960 that people haven't talked to you so much, but so 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:40.560 much is about just wanting to win one just having 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:45.439 that one success, be it in work or in life 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.720 or in love or whatever. And Holly really is that 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.120 for him? Yeah? Yeah, and he didn't have to work 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.080 that hard for it. I mean she was in as 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:59.000 fast as he was pretty much. So you know that's 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.320 that's also on to see him get knocked back a bit, right, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.160 He can more be himself. Isn't to stalk a woman 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:11.159 to date her. He doesn't have to pose. Yeah, And 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.439 then of course we all feared his viewers if you say, like, 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.400 what does this mean for the show? Is he leaving 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.280 the show with what? No? No? What? Back up? Back up? 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.000 Back up? You know that proposal? When I had to 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.600 walk down the line of everybody holding candles, I couldn't 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.680 stop crying. I thought it was one of those things 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.239 where it's like I had to tell meself, like this 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:36.600 isn't real. But there's something about everybody's face, like looking 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.240 so lovingly and they can't like it. Was such a 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.560 beautiful setting. But I had to I had to tell myself, like, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:50.040 these are actors, you're not getting married, but it's like 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.719 any wedding, Like, oh, it makes me cry. I've often 0:19:54.840 --> 0:20:00.600 I've often said there was something about that that seen 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:07.400 that water comes, you know, the sprinklers coming down, that um, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.760 I don't know, what's so sort of beautiful and moving 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.560 to me. I Steve directed that episode and I remember, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.439 you know, the water being such a big effect and 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.280 that first take, which is what's in the show because 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.000 it was shocking and it was cold and it was 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:26.119 goofy and it wasn't cinematic. And I don't know who, 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.439 but you know, on the other side of the monitors 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.879 like we have to go again. And Steve got up 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.880 and he remember he fought for it. He's like, no, 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.119 this is better. It's not it's not slick, it's not cool. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:43.479 It's they look terrible, but it's funny, you know. And 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.439 I was so glad too reasons because I agreed with 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:47.760 him and the others, like I really didn't want to 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.240 get wet again because that water was so cold. It 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.120 was such a shock when it opened up. Yeah, well, 0:20:54.119 --> 0:21:01.720 and I just remember that um that the it's how 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.520 life is right, like everything is not. It's not the 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.760 perfect moment that you that you assume that it's going 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.919 to be. And even though it is this beautiful moment 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.600 with the candles, like there's something that's going to screw 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.000 it up of course. Yeah, but that's the life I 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.919 prefer to live in. Like weird is good to me. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.000 Odd is really good to me. You know, that's what 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:30.320 makes me laugh through life that just things slightly off kilter. Yeah. Well, 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.760 I think the moment that always like anytime I see it, 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.040 and I felt it as a human being in the 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.960 moment that it happened when he says I'm going to 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:47.440 Colorado and Kevin says all of us right because with Michael, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.040 we all must go right because that's how to us. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.400 Michael is the office that Yeah, but because of you 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.760 there there's that transition there, you know. I think when 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.080 you've find true love and nothing else matters, so like 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:08.600 his old in ways aren't necessary, but you know, eventually 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:34.320 he finds his true family, which is you. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, you. Um, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:39.439 there's a question that I've been asking everybody, Um, not everyone. 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.320 I didn't think about it until halfway through. But um, 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.360 when Michael Scott left to go be with you, there 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.800 was obviously a hole on the show. And the question 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:54.080 is what do you feel like was the bigger loss, 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.399 Steve Correll or Michael Scott? Well, what do you may 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.640 be your question? If there you mean if Michael, Well, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:08.760 that Steve was you know, as you mentioned before, he 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:14.800 is just such a good and loving person and really 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.239 was the head of the ship. Oh yeah, right in 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.200 terms of the whole cast, Like when he left, don't 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.480 I don't know if you know this. We retired his 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.760 jersey like literally number one on the call sheet did 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:31.159 not exist he left. He certainly set the right energy 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.200 of being the lead of the show. I feel like 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.680 he brought out the best in everybody because he's so 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:43.720 kind and he's so generous, and I feel like, um, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.119 I'll use myself an example. One morning because we had 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.560 those early morning makeup sessions like four report in the 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:56.320 morning and uh, Steve said, he's like, how are you? 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.520 I said, tired? You know, got up like minutes before 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:05.399 the alarm and I drove over the hill and I 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.040 think a Starbucks wasn't open. He goes, oh, poor, you 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.400 like being paid a lot of money. They come beyond 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:17.120 a hit show. I was like, oh, yeah, right, you guys, 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.520 don't complain out in l a in New York. This 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:26.760 is our good morning check. But you know, he was 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.120 being playful obviously, but it was like a reminder of 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.600 like this tube will pass, and you know remember that 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.360 because you might not have it so good one day. Right. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.720 Well you you came in ultimately to be a love 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.080 interest for Michael. But I have to tell you the 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:48.919 storyline between you and I on the show. Um gets 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.280 talked about a lot, and I think in the history 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:55.879 of table reads that we had on the show, it 0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.560 was never more laughed because of how long that Joe 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.320 used to set up. And you know when I get 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:09.399 asked now about moments in the entire show where I 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:14.639 could not stop laughing, was Hugh and the button is 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:21.160 literally if you with the change Nickel, this is this 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.119 is a button. And there was something about the sweetness 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.240 on your face and you just very genuinely explaining to 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.399 Kevin that this was a button made me smile every 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.640 single time. And I was like, I can't do it, 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.639 and they're right there with the cam like I can't 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.159 do it, And basically then just turned it into a 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.119 grin to say I'm gonna I'm gonna bang you, but 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.760 that Yeah, do you think that story could play now? 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.440 I mean, there's so much of the Office that I 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.720 don't know if it could play now. Um, it's interesting. 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.239 So I just happened to watch that episode because my 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.959 ten year old he and all her friends at school 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.760 are really into the Office and my daughter is a 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.440 little behind the rest of her friends because I think 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:11.359 it's weird for her. But but anyway, so watching my 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.520 husband Eric and I like we're just out of her eyeline. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.119 But here comes your line like I'm totally going to 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.159 bang her, and you know, I'm like, we look at 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.240 each other, like then you look over at her face. 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.360 Does she registered that, you know? No, because somehow it's 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.680 going right over their head, I think, or she maybe 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:34.240 she doesn't, you know? Um, I mean I don't know. 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.840 I think I hope a lot of it still plays 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.480 because I think it's well intentioned. I don't think we 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:44.960 were cruel statistic people on this show. I mean, but 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:50.120 the stuff that doesn't play, it's interesting to think about 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:53.480 as we all think we're like well intentioned, liberal minded, 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:58.480 caring people, and the stuff that we didn't pay attention to. 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.159