1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Ryan and I played Holly Flax on The Office. Hello, Hello, everyone, 2 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: welcome to another installment of the Office Deep Dive. I 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: am your host, Brian bond Gardner. I hope you're doing 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: very well today, and if you're not well, I think 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to change that because my guest on the 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: podcast today is the truly extraordinary Amy Ryan. Now I 7 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: have to come clean about something here, Okay. When Amy 8 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Ryan showed up on the set of the Office for 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: the first time, I freaked out a little bit because 10 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: I am a huge Amy Ryan fan. If you have 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: not seen her work prior to the Office, you should 12 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Season two of The Wire Genius. Her Oscar nominated performance 13 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: in Gone, Baby Gone is so heartbreaking and amazing. Now, 14 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I interviewed Amy in New York right after my interview 15 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: with Paul Feig, and partly because we live on opposite coasts, 16 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I had not seen Amy in such a long time, 17 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: many years in fact, and immediately boom, I'm just so 18 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: happy to see her again. I have this special place 19 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: in my heart for Amy, and what's amazing to me 20 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: is that so many people have a special place in 21 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: their heart for Amy, even though she only appeared in 22 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: fifteen of our two hundred plus episodes. I mean, I 23 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: could imagine a world where people were not so fond 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: of Amy and the character she played, because basically she's 25 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: the reason that Michael left the office. Right. But Amy 26 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: was so undeniably perfect and wonderful as Holly that you 27 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: just couldn't help falling in love with her. Plus she 28 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: and I, for better or worse, we are linked together 29 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: forever because of the very special Kevin Holly storyline, which 30 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: well you'll hear us get into shortly. Anyway, am I am? 31 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: I gushing? I'm gushing. I can't help it, Ladies and gentlemen, 32 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Here she is Amy, Ryan, Bubble and Squeak. I love it, 33 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Bubble and squeak, Bubble and Squeaker, cooking every month, lift 34 00:02:47,880 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: over from the night before. So I was here and 35 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: we were thank you anything else. I'm okay, thank yousus. 36 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: What's on the list. There's nothing but beverages on this table. 37 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, Hidrake, I'm caffeinating. I was here very briefly. 38 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: I saw John Um, they let me get rid of 39 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: these Paul things, just get rid of it. And then yeah, 40 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: Paul was I think he's doing a pilot and then 41 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: a movie back to back. So he was like, you 42 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: can come to New York or else you in May 43 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: or something like that. I'll come back. That's great. Yes, 44 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: how are you good? Really good? Yeah? Um? Alright, So 45 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: before you were cast, did you watch the show? My 46 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: My History The Office started with my neighbor Noline Burke, 47 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: who came home from Ireland visiting her family with the 48 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: British series. She said, this is a really funny show. 49 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: You have to watch it, and she had, you know, 50 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: like the DVD pal or whatever. So I was full 51 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: on in convert from the Ricky Gervais series. Then I 52 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: heard they were making an American version and I thought 53 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: that was just blasphemous. Why why can't they just import 54 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: the show? Why do we import our shows or export 55 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: our shows there? But we Americans need to remake something 56 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: that's perfect, And I thought it was the worst idea ever. 57 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: And then I started seeing the cast assembled. I was like, oh, 58 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: this is going to be funny, and it was. And 59 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: I watched the American version happily. Um, and then I thought, 60 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: like I I enjoy comedy. I never I'm not good 61 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: at the four cameras sitcom thing. I can't land the 62 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: boom boom, the whatever. But I when I saw The Office, 63 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is character based comedy. This 64 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: is not rhythm. I mean, there are some rhythms and 65 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: of course, but like it's not so dependent on that joke. 66 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: And then the alternative punchline for that joke that all 67 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: the writers stand around writing and let me get it. 68 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: That is like too stressful for me. So anyway the Office, 69 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, here's the world I could fit 70 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: into in terms of building a character. And there, you know, 71 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: everything is life for death for them. So what was 72 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: the process of you being cast on the show? Did 73 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: they approached you to come in? That was the year 74 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: I was nominated for an Oscar for Gone, Baby Gone, 75 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and I remember saying to my agent, half joking but 76 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: not really, I was like, you know, if we have 77 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: any role right now, I want to cash it in 78 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: on the Office. I had not heard that, yeah, and 79 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: he's like okay. And apparently simultaneously, Paul Lieberstein, who I 80 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: had known from sitcom many many years earlier, called the 81 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Naked Truth that he was writing on knew of me 82 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: but also as a fan of the Wire, And so 83 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure who called first, but I 84 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: think both were, Like there was a coincidence of timing 85 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: that in that case. So so I showed up, like 86 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Why? Anyway? I I felt 87 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: very very confident in my decision that this is where 88 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to be next because a lot of all, 89 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the opportunities as well, Like 90 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: there's not much imagination once you maybe poked through with 91 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: a role. You know, as you may know from your 92 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: own experience, like people like, great, we have this new 93 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: role for you, and she's a drug addicted mother. You're like, 94 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: you mean, like the one I just played. Okay, that 95 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like so much fun. For a while, playing 96 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: someone intelligent was not coming to me surprisingly, isn't that frustrating? 97 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: It so so? But making those hard right turns and 98 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: giving other people whiplash is what I was after, Like 99 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: it's so certainly like going to a comedy and just 100 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: being well groomed in a role, you know, So I 101 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: was I was really grateful for that that they thought 102 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: it was a good idea too. So when you were cast, 103 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: did you at that moment have any idea of where 104 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: it was going to go? No, but I I understood 105 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: that I was there on a trial basis. I think 106 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: it was the last episode like Goodbye Toby. I came in, 107 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: and I think it was a pretty fancy addition, basically 108 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: like having not read for the role, like okay, if 109 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: this doesn't work out, because they said, like, you know, 110 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: maybe might might be love interest from Michael Scott. We're 111 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: not sure, but you know, we still have some ideas. 112 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: But yet again, there was the British version to kind 113 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: of go By, and there was that character I forget 114 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: her name, but where he finally found someone that the 115 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: affection was mutual. But then I believe that about that 116 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: part is I think where it stopped, like the comparison, 117 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: So I knew it was a little up in the 118 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: air and depended on how well I did. I mean, 119 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: it felt very welcome by all you guys. But there 120 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: is a weird thing about being a fan of a 121 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: show and then being employed by that show. I remember 122 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: doing it, like one episode of e Er back in 123 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: the day, like shocked that the hallway was so little 124 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: that they did all that choreography of like running through 125 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: with gurneys and such, and you know, the wire was 126 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: the same thing like being a big fan of the 127 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: show and then joining the company in the second season, 128 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: it was it's it takes a minute. You're just like 129 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: calm down right, No, No, Well, being a guest star 130 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: is a very difficult thing. You're the transfer student from 131 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: another school. Totally. Yeah, well, who's going to sit with 132 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: me at lunch? Were you were? You? Were you nervous 133 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: when you walked onto set the first time? I was nervous. 134 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I can tell because my head is tilted down like this, 135 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: and because because my daughter just watched that episode, and 136 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: so having the hindsight, like I was like, oh, yeah, look, 137 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: you're not like standing up straight. Yeah, just that little 138 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: till to the head, like maybe no one will notice 139 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: if I mess up. And then I was, And then 140 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of that quickly subsided because the 141 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: nature of being on the offices, you are a main 142 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: character and an extra all in one. Right. You are 143 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: in the background every scene if you don't have spoken lines. 144 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: And I remember were being positioned by one of the 145 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: low file cabinets and pretending to go through papers, and 146 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of shock is all that those papers were like 147 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: old medical records. Yeah, I thought, oh my god, this 148 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: is somebody's it's also security number, this is somebody's medical history. 149 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: This is just shocked anyway, Yeah, they recycle. That was 150 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: Kate flannering I talked about, which I had forgotten. Get 151 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: a shredder, people shred your stuff. You might end up 152 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: a prop on the office exactly. Your chemistry with Steve 153 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: from the beginning thing is amazing. Did you guys have 154 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: a discussion. I mean, you were a fan of the show, 155 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: so you knew his character very well. But how much 156 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: of that was a discussion about you know, potentially Holly 157 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: being the female version of him or is that how 158 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: it was described or no, Um, it wasn't described that way, 159 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: but you know, just in the writing, I mean, it 160 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: was so generous of the writers too offer me those tidbits, 161 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: whether it was like rapping with him or you know, 162 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: the Yoda saying clearly they're saying she is of like kinfolk. 163 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: And then just as an actors like, well, I can't 164 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: do you know Steve's bit like I can't and even 165 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: if I tried, I couldn't. But like, how do you 166 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: make it the same but different? You know? Um? And 167 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: I just I just love that idea that there's a 168 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: lid for every pot. You know, I was, I don't 169 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: know my really want to admit this. But after however, 170 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: many years playing different parts and theater and other TV 171 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: and film, I get a call from my high school boyfriend. 172 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,359 Speaker 1: He's like, well, I'm so glad you're finally playing yourself. 173 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: Really Yeah, and I can't really deny that. Yeah, yeah, 174 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: that's amazing. My my like nerdy, geeky side was on 175 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: the rise. Yeah. So drug adult single mother. Oh no, 176 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: that's part of that's that's the other side of my personality. 177 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: I like to keep it balanced, don't pigeonhole me. You 178 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: had worked with Steve before, very briefly, yeah or um. So, 179 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: Steve started a film called Dan in real life, and PETERR. 180 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: Hedges wrote and directed. Peter's an old friend of mine 181 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: and I have really teeny tiny part in there, playing 182 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: his sister in law. It's a big extended family and 183 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: Peter got together a bunch of his New York actor friends. 184 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: We all were up in Rhode Island for I don't know, 185 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: six eight weeks or so. Anyway, the whole company was 186 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: very close and that's where that's where I met Steve Um. 187 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, just chit chatting. We really didn't have any 188 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: scenes together and stuff like that, but I don't I 189 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I got asked that a lot about what's 190 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: the chemistry with Steve, and I have to say, I 191 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: have to give him credit for being the most grounded, 192 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: down to earth creative genius that um you can dream of, 193 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: because he's got a really good thing going on, and 194 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: he he isn't subliminally subliminally like I can. I want 195 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: to change that work as who can say subliminally. He 196 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: is in no way saying back up, let me do 197 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: my thing. I've experienced that on sets with other actors, 198 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: like they're they're not even really looking at you or 199 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: you know, they can do it all. They don't even 200 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: need you off camera for their close up. But Steve, 201 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: and I guess that's his early days, you know, improv 202 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: being with a group. He's so generous, and I always 203 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: thought it was weird. He'd be like the first one 204 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: to be like, that's so funny. He'd tell everyone like 205 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: how funny they were, you know, and you just like 206 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: just your shoulders dropped a little bit. You're like a 207 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: little more relaxed each time. But I don't know. I 208 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: did say to him one time, I said, I know 209 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: this sounds really flaky, but um, I really feel like 210 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I've known you before in my life, and he said 211 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: I feel the same. So I think it was just 212 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: about trust and just having fun. Like so you were 213 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: there and then you left. And it's interesting because you know, 214 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: you talk about Jim and Pam, their relationship played just 215 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: very purely, and then all of Michael's relationships played essentially 216 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: totally for comedy, at least until Holly, you know, like 217 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: the Carol, the real estate agents and Jan that was 218 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: like so preposterous and terrible. But I think for me, 219 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: even though you guys were so close and that chemistry 220 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: was there in my head, you left and it went away, 221 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: like it went away. And for some reason the Herpies 222 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: episode where he calls you, I suddenly went, oh, this 223 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: is it, Like this is this is where they're going. 224 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Where were you in terms of discussion about you coming 225 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: back or did you say no? Where? No? We left 226 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: it open and I'd love to come. But for me, 227 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: it was also about location. I live in New York 228 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: and I love being in New York, so I didn't 229 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: want to relocate to Los Angeles. But I was happy 230 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: to come and go. And then also in that time 231 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: then I was pregnant and had my daughter Georgia, So 232 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: so there was a big chunk off while that was happening. Yeah, 233 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: where do you feel like Michael's search for the American dream? 234 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: You know, happiness, success, family? You know that that that's 235 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: all he's looking for and nobody will give it to 236 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: him except d whit that he doesn't want anything but 237 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: that it becomes the people that are in this office 238 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: until until you come along. How do you feel like 239 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: that transition for him his character happened or how did 240 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: you see it? Well? I don't know if I can 241 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: speak so clearly about Michael in that way, but um, 242 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: I just feel like, maybe you know, Michael just became 243 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: just a happier person, and you know, he's still crazy, 244 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: That's what I still like, Like he still makes really 245 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: bad choices along the way and things that make other 246 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: people cringe. Like it's not like suddenly Holly comes and 247 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: spreads this magic pixie dust on him and he's like 248 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: a normal person. But she got a little of that too, 249 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: so it's it's permissible in their world. Um I I 250 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: think you know, when I'm stopped or asked questions. You know, 251 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: if it's someone on the street or I just I'm 252 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: always amazed at how much like they root for a 253 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: guy they don't like and they're so glad he met me, 254 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: you know that, or you home and I love that. 255 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: That's all in conflict with each other. Um So what 256 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: does what does Holly mean? From Michael? I mean, it's 257 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: a guy who's just so so desperate to have a 258 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: win somewhere in his life or to be that guy. 259 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: You know, he poses at that for so long and 260 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: then here's someone he doesn't have to work that hard 261 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: with for the I think the first time we see him, 262 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: or that we've known him rather and I don't know, 263 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: maybe that it's it's all gonna be okay, like if 264 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: there's one phrase to it, like, you know, we all 265 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: matter the end of the day, we all matter. There's 266 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: there is someone for you and if you don't feel 267 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: good along the way, then you you're just with the 268 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: wrong person. And maybe that sounds easier said than done. 269 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: There's someone single alone being Yeah, you know, thanks thanks 270 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: for that advice, sing me Ryan, you suck like I 271 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: think I think there's um, I guess progress. It's the 272 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: word he's gotten out of his own way. Yeah, but 273 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: I think that in the show. On the show, all 274 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: of the characters, you bring up a really interesting point 275 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: that people haven't talked to you so much, but so 276 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: much is about just wanting to win one just having 277 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: that one success, be it in work or in life 278 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: or in love or whatever. And Holly really is that 279 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: for him? Yeah? Yeah, and he didn't have to work 280 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: that hard for it. I mean she was in as 281 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: fast as he was pretty much. So you know that's 282 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: that's also on to see him get knocked back a bit, right, 283 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: He can more be himself. Isn't to stalk a woman 284 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: to date her. He doesn't have to pose. Yeah, And 285 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: then of course we all feared his viewers if you say, like, 286 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: what does this mean for the show? Is he leaving 287 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the show with what? No? No? What? Back up? Back up? 288 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Back up? You know that proposal? When I had to 289 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: walk down the line of everybody holding candles, I couldn't 290 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: stop crying. I thought it was one of those things 291 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: where it's like I had to tell meself, like this 292 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: isn't real. But there's something about everybody's face, like looking 293 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: so lovingly and they can't like it. Was such a 294 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: beautiful setting. But I had to I had to tell myself, like, 295 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: these are actors, you're not getting married, but it's like 296 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 1: any wedding, Like, oh, it makes me cry. I've often 297 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: I've often said there was something about that that seen 298 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: that water comes, you know, the sprinklers coming down, that um, 299 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, what's so sort of beautiful and moving 300 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: to me. I Steve directed that episode and I remember, 301 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, the water being such a big effect and 302 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: that first take, which is what's in the show because 303 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: it was shocking and it was cold and it was 304 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: goofy and it wasn't cinematic. And I don't know who, 305 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: but you know, on the other side of the monitors 306 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: like we have to go again. And Steve got up 307 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: and he remember he fought for it. He's like, no, 308 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: this is better. It's not it's not slick, it's not cool. 309 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: It's they look terrible, but it's funny, you know. And 310 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: I was so glad too reasons because I agreed with 311 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: him and the others, like I really didn't want to 312 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: get wet again because that water was so cold. It 313 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: was such a shock when it opened up. Yeah, well, 314 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: and I just remember that um that the it's how 315 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: life is right, like everything is not. It's not the 316 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: perfect moment that you that you assume that it's going 317 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: to be. And even though it is this beautiful moment 318 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: with the candles, like there's something that's going to screw 319 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: it up of course. Yeah, but that's the life I 320 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: prefer to live in. Like weird is good to me. 321 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Odd is really good to me. You know, that's what 322 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: makes me laugh through life that just things slightly off kilter. Yeah. Well, 323 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: I think the moment that always like anytime I see it, 324 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and I felt it as a human being in the 325 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: moment that it happened when he says I'm going to 326 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: Colorado and Kevin says all of us right because with Michael, 327 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: we all must go right because that's how to us. 328 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: Michael is the office that Yeah, but because of you 329 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: there there's that transition there, you know. I think when 330 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: you've find true love and nothing else matters, so like 331 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: his old in ways aren't necessary, but you know, eventually 332 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: he finds his true family, which is you. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, you. Um, 333 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: there's a question that I've been asking everybody, Um, not everyone. 334 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it until halfway through. But um, 335 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: when Michael Scott left to go be with you, there 336 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: was obviously a hole on the show. And the question 337 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: is what do you feel like was the bigger loss, 338 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: Steve Correll or Michael Scott? Well, what do you may 339 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: be your question? If there you mean if Michael, Well, 340 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: that Steve was you know, as you mentioned before, he 341 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: is just such a good and loving person and really 342 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 1: was the head of the ship. Oh yeah, right in 343 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: terms of the whole cast, Like when he left, don't 344 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. We retired his 345 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: jersey like literally number one on the call sheet did 346 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: not exist he left. He certainly set the right energy 347 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: of being the lead of the show. I feel like 348 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: he brought out the best in everybody because he's so 349 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: kind and he's so generous, and I feel like, um, 350 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: I'll use myself an example. One morning because we had 351 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: those early morning makeup sessions like four report in the 352 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: morning and uh, Steve said, he's like, how are you? 353 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: I said, tired? You know, got up like minutes before 354 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: the alarm and I drove over the hill and I 355 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: think a Starbucks wasn't open. He goes, oh, poor, you 356 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: like being paid a lot of money. They come beyond 357 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: a hit show. I was like, oh, yeah, right, you guys, 358 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: don't complain out in l a in New York. This 359 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: is our good morning check. But you know, he was 360 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: being playful obviously, but it was like a reminder of 361 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: like this tube will pass, and you know remember that 362 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: because you might not have it so good one day. Right. 363 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Well you you came in ultimately to be a love 364 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: interest for Michael. But I have to tell you the 365 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: storyline between you and I on the show. Um gets 366 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: talked about a lot, and I think in the history 367 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: of table reads that we had on the show, it 368 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: was never more laughed because of how long that Joe 369 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: used to set up. And you know when I get 370 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: asked now about moments in the entire show where I 371 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: could not stop laughing, was Hugh and the button is 372 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: literally if you with the change Nickel, this is this 373 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: is a button. And there was something about the sweetness 374 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: on your face and you just very genuinely explaining to 375 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: Kevin that this was a button made me smile every 376 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: single time. And I was like, I can't do it, 377 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: and they're right there with the cam like I can't 378 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: do it, And basically then just turned it into a 379 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: grin to say I'm gonna I'm gonna bang you, but 380 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: that Yeah, do you think that story could play now? 381 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much of the Office that I 382 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: don't know if it could play now. Um, it's interesting. 383 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: So I just happened to watch that episode because my 384 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: ten year old he and all her friends at school 385 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: are really into the Office and my daughter is a 386 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: little behind the rest of her friends because I think 387 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: it's weird for her. But but anyway, so watching my 388 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: husband Eric and I like we're just out of her eyeline. 389 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: But here comes your line like I'm totally going to 390 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: bang her, and you know, I'm like, we look at 391 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: each other, like then you look over at her face. 392 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: Does she registered that, you know? No, because somehow it's 393 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: going right over their head, I think, or she maybe 394 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't, you know? Um, I mean I don't know. 395 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: I think I hope a lot of it still plays 396 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: because I think it's well intentioned. I don't think we 397 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: were cruel statistic people on this show. I mean, but 398 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: the stuff that doesn't play, it's interesting to think about 399 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: as we all think we're like well intentioned, liberal minded, 400 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: caring people, and the stuff that we didn't pay attention to. 401 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: And so you know, you're asking me, is it okay 402 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: to make fun of a person who we think is 403 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: mentally handicapped? Probably not, but it was really funny. Then 404 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: so what do we do with it? Like, you know, 405 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where that lives. Um, I certainly don't 406 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: want to offend anybody. I mean, I think the joke 407 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: is upon the person who made the mistake, you know 408 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, it's how could Holly be that 409 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: thick or or that well, you know white? Really, I 410 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: mean that it's really that it's Dwight who But I'm 411 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm in the middle there of not using my own 412 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: good judgment or maybe asking for a second opinion or 413 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we all we're all judgmental. We 414 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: say we don't, but we judge everybody that walks down 415 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: the block, you know, in our heads, in a little 416 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: private tapes in our head. Um, why do you think, 417 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, part of why we're doing this exploration is 418 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: we haven't owned anything in six years, and essentially, by 419 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: almost any measure, now, The Office is the most watched 420 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: show on television. Why well, I think I think these 421 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: are relatable characters and First of all, it's funny, so 422 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: that's what's holding up through time. The writing is funny, 423 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: and it's a really great uh ensemble of actors and 424 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: uh what you know, you look back at what what 425 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: old show like I love Lucy's Still Hands holds up 426 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's funny and it's not about like, 427 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: um pop culture, you know, which obviously fades away. We 428 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: don't understand the references over time, we forget them and such. 429 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I think also the culture of binge watching. It's you know, 430 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: it's written well for that. It's written well for that, 431 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um, you know, I have friends who tell 432 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: me their kids watch it as really like also a 433 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: soothing effect if they're having a bad day, they go 434 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: and they pop in the office and it lifts them. Right. 435 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? It's about paper salesman? Right? Well, 436 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there's that you know joy we 437 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: get in knowing like, well, at least my life isn't that. 438 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting though, the fact that we are employees at 439 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: a paper company that actually make a living doing one 440 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: job with a specific small Because now if you're selling paper, 441 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: you're working at staples or you're just getting it from 442 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: Amazon or whatever like that. That that sort of like 443 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: office community, that that group. Whether you like the people 444 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: or don't like the people, it's still a community. Well 445 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe that's it's also community is the key word. Maybe 446 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: not so much like I could be in a job 447 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: for the next three years and get my pension. I 448 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: don't know if people are really dreaming about that, but 449 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: I think you're right. A community and this is such 450 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: a world where everyone is expressing their emogens, emogens, emotion 451 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: emotions with emojis and um, you know, connecting with people, 452 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: even misconnecting, you know, like the conflict is probably interesting 453 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: and fun and enviewable. Yeah, well you I mean you 454 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: talked about Paul being a fan of yours on the Wire. 455 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it cannot come as a surprise that everyone 456 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: who was on set was such a huge fan of 457 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: yours and the Wire and the fact that it seems 458 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: like the whole ensemble for the Wire and going on 459 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: to it's one point or other. It was like, how 460 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: can we think of a way to go? Do we do? We? Do? 461 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: We need to go to the docks? Is there docks 462 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 1: near Scraping? Yeah? Um, but anyway, I uh, yeah, thanks 463 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: for coming and talking to me. My pleasure. It's so 464 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: good to see you again. It's so good to see you. Yeah, 465 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: I will tell you. You know, I go to college 466 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: campuses and I'll talk and and I know that all 467 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: people want if they want, they want to hear it. 468 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: They want to hear Kevin. Yes. And just so you know, 469 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: it almost always comes out as I'm totally going to 470 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: bang Holly. That's it. That's it. Two hundred and six episodes, 471 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: two hundred and six episodes. No, but I'm saying that's 472 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: the line. Maybe maybe you'll update it for this generation 473 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: and you'll say, with her permission, yes, but it's funny 474 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: that that is, uh, that's always the line. Oh, thank 475 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: you so much. Well, there you have it. Thank you 476 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: Amy so much for coming in to sit down with me. Luckily, 477 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: I am pretty sure I do not need Amy's permission 478 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: to say that was one of the most delightful half 479 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: hours of my life. That's what she said. Anyway, I 480 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: hope you all feel the same way. Thank you all 481 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: for listening, have a wonderful week, and I will see 482 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: you next time for another episode of the Office Deep Dive. 483 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive produced by 484 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. Our senior 485 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: producer is Tessa Kramer, our producer is Adam Massias, our 486 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: associate producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is 487 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: Die goo Topia. My main man in the booth is 488 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: Alec Moore. 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