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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. This episode number one thirty one

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Speaker 1: Taylor's show. We're joined by Donnie Vincent, an incredible hunter

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Speaker 1: and filmmaker, and we're discussing everything from his recent whitetail hunts,

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Speaker 1: to how to have conversations about hunting, dealing with opposing viewpoints,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear and today on the show,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Donnie Vincent. And way back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen had Donnie on the Show of Us.

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Speaker 1: But if you miss that one or somehow don't know

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Speaker 1: who Donnie is, you know he is a super serious

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Speaker 1: hunter and a filmmaker, and that's probably what he's most

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Speaker 1: known for right now. He's produced some of the most

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Speaker 1: impressive hunting films in recent years, such as The Rivers Divide,

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Speaker 1: Terra Nova, and a short film called Who We Are,

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Speaker 1: which kind of spoke to kind of this answering that

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Speaker 1: question of why we hunt, and that video kind of

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Speaker 1: went massively viral across not just the hunting world, but

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Speaker 1: the non hunting world too, and got a lot of

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Speaker 1: non hunters to kind of look at what we do

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Speaker 1: as hunters maybe a little bit differently. So Donnie has

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Speaker 1: been doing some really cool things, and recently he's been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of white tail hunting too. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have him on the show with us today to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how the white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: has been going this year, what he's been doing, what's

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Speaker 1: been working, what he's learned, and then you know, if

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Speaker 1: we have time, we might even dive into some of

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Speaker 1: these bigger picture topics related to some of the themes

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Speaker 1: of some of his work and some of these films,

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Speaker 1: maybe talk about what's next and some interesting stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So before all that, though, man, Dan, we probably have

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Speaker 1: some updates that are worth sharing. Two. All right, Dan, um,

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Speaker 1: maybe I do you you want you want to hear? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You want to hear kind of a funny story. I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear a funny story. All right. So the

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Speaker 1: other day, right, this has nothing to do with hunting

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Speaker 1: at all. I'm not surprised. Okay, So the other day, Um,

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Speaker 1: the restroom, and then I walked in like maybe five

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Speaker 1: Oh Dan, you you totally got all out for the

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Speaker 1: creepy old man. Look right right. It's like, if I'm

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Speaker 1: Like if if I saw you, like taking pictures of

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Speaker 1: It looks like that guy dropped the hammer on his

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Speaker 1: Me and Corey still laugh about your dropping the hammer

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Speaker 1: Although it might not be good for business, but probably not.

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Speaker 1: It takes to rock that. But when have I really

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Speaker 1: made decisions in life? Now? Stay consistent, dude, stay existent.

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Speaker 1: So so what's up with you? Man? I've got one

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Speaker 1: But I got Trailcaren pictures of holy Field day before yesterday. Nice,

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Speaker 1: So he's alive. And for the last I got pictures

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Speaker 1: of him on the twenty six November and then nothing

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Speaker 1: don't know something happened, um in between that period of time.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about him so many times, and I've

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Speaker 1: And like now I've been thinking about that more, and

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Speaker 1: the way I actually hunt. Right? Who has influenced this

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Speaker 1: animal influenced me as a bow hunter? And you know,

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Speaker 1: also you also mentioned the word journey, right, and you

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Speaker 1: a journey. But just so you know, journeys come to

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Speaker 1: there's an ending point. And I feel that you need

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Speaker 1: somebody else. You know, you're you're talking about a whole

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Speaker 1: he's on your hit list this year and next year.

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Speaker 1: now is better than tomorrow, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: the show. Donnie. Thanks man, I appreciate it. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: it has kind of backed off a little bit. It's

426
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: it's basically the balls in my court to produce as

427
00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: much or as little as I want. Originally, I don't think, ah,

428
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: we draw the audience that Discovery was anticipating. Um, I'm

429
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: trying to put this in a gentle fashion. Basically, you know,

430
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: they worked with content teams and and content individuals that

431
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: are going to deliver work that they can sell advertising around. Right.

432
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: That's that that's their that's their main mode of operation.

433
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: And so everyone loved our work. Everyone loved the quality

434
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: of the work, everyone loved the storytelling. The companies they

435
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: just have this impossible wall in front of them to

436
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: get around the fact that we're hunters. It's amazing how

437
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: quickly the human population has progressed beyond being being hunters

438
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: in such a short time, and so these companies. That's

439
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: not that the companies don't support it themselves. They've sat

440
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: in the room with some of these uh you know

441
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: people that are driving these companies, and there their directors

442
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: that are their director of marketing, and and they love it.

443
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: They love the idea. They're just so nervous about there

444
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: uh customer that they just kind of stay a lane.

445
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: So I still work for those guys. I still talk

446
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: with those guys quite a bit, but it falls falls

447
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: into however much or however little I want to work

448
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: towards it. So so something similar to what happened with

449
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: this whole spear hunting and under armor thing, right, Yeah,

450
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, um, yeah, I guess hunters and I want

451
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: to be careful here because I don't want to split

452
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: my own throat. But hunters love to uh you know

453
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters love to go looking for a fight,

454
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I don't want to propel

455
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: that at all. I'd much rather than go looking for

456
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: a fight. I'd much rather hunt ethically and hunt with

457
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: conservation and popular and age dynamics and habitat reconstruction, in

458
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: my mind, than I would to just go out and

459
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: spear a bear or do something that is going to

460
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: ride that line, attract a lot of attention and make

461
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: people get their dander up, you know what I mean? Right? Definitely?

462
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: How what kind of I mean when you mentioned the

463
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: fact that you know, so many people have moved away

464
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: from hunting, such a significant portion of our population is

465
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: so very disconnected from nature that then hunting seems even

466
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: farther beyond that. Um, it's so foreign for so many people.

467
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there does seem to be

468
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: this resurgence in a certain segment of population of interest

469
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: in kind of going back to our roots in a

470
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: certain way. And I imagine with some of your work

471
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: and your films, especially something like Who We Are, UM,

472
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: which I think speaks to some of these reasons why

473
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: we hunt that maybe don't seem as apparent to non

474
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: hunt is when they look at their stereotypical hunter. Um.

475
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: What kind of reaction did you get from that film

476
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: and did that change your opinion at all about how

477
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: the outside world sees hunting? Um? Well, first of all,

478
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of looking back a little bit at the transition

479
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: of when most people were hunters and I'm not talking

480
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: about original human societies where everyone literally all of us,

481
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: everyone coming from these original thirty one societies UM, where

482
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: where everyone was hunters and gathers. After that, as people

483
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: kind of started to mitigate through time and UM, our

484
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: world started to become recognized UM. People started to have

485
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: the ability of going to the grocery store to get

486
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: things for breakfast and lunch and dinner. People didn't have

487
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: to be responsible with their lands and be responsible with

488
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: their bowler with their rifle to provide for themselves. As

489
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: as things started to get divided for us, this laziness,

490
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: if you will, just kind of perpetuated into some of

491
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: the modern day people today. They they people have this

492
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: great disconnect with killing an animal. It's if you, if

493
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: you take a step back as a hunter, it's not

494
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: that difficult to see there disdain. Right, You're taking an

495
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: amazing animals life. You are the executioner. You are taking

496
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: this animal's life potentially for your saltish gains. You know.

497
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Especially some people get confused about quote unquote trophy hunting.

498
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: They say, oh my god, you are killing that deer.

499
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Elecan just cutting that head off and going home with

500
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: the head. People don't realize that that really doesn't happen anymore,

501
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: or if it ever even really did happen beyond UM

502
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, the massacres of Buffalo, if you will. So

503
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: UM as people, as as our lives became more and

504
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: more mechanized, as our lives became easier and easier to

505
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: UM maintain and to get our food and to have

506
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: a shelter and to provide warmth for ourselves, it just

507
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of perpetuated. It just human being that now UM

508
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: has this to stain towards killing because they have the

509
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: ability to grow to our store and they may stop

510
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: their foot and say that they're vegetarian or they're vegan.

511
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: But still, these are very new ideas in the human diet.

512
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: These are these are are very short lived, UM, I

513
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: guess you know, dietary decisions or call a philosophy decisions whatever. UM,

514
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: these things have not been along around very long. However,

515
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: people stand on them hard and fast, and it's it's uh,

516
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: it's there is a difficult group to talk to. However,

517
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I do think you know, when we came out with

518
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: who we are UM, much of the population responded by,

519
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're very pro a little short if you like,

520
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a film, but you know,

521
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: hunters were of course all for it. People who understood

522
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: factory farming and that there's a better way to get

523
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: our food and that this is the more of a

524
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: connected way to get our food, they understood it. People

525
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: who are undecided, they while they maybe didn't pick a side,

526
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: which I think is great, they definitely were encouraged to

527
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: learn more about it or wanted to learn more about it.

528
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I received um lots of letters of people that had

529
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: had questions to UM, ask me about you know, it's

530
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: hunting sustainable for us? All? We're approaching nine billion people

531
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: or eight billion people on the earth. Um, can we

532
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: all go hunting? Is there enough wildlife for us all?

533
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: And of course there isn't, and and there are issues

534
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: that lying there with human population. But I do think

535
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: that the majority of people have, if they're not hunters themselves,

536
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: have an understanding that this is um who we are,

537
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: this is where we've come from, and this is having

538
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: a fantastic connection with your mother Earth. This is us

539
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: with the greatest barrier of entry, the greatest investment in

540
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: getting our food and participating. It's not just getting our food,

541
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: but it's participating with the wilds. It's taking the time

542
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: to watch small birds, taking the time to watch geese

543
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: fly over your head. It's it's really enveloping yourself into

544
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: the habitats that are around your home or that you

545
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: travel to to be part of. And there's just a

546
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: very small population that I received letters from that were

547
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: absolutely against this, And I don't want to judge them

548
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: at all, but I will say this. Their letters were

549
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: borderline assinine. Their letters were borderline psychotic, saying very aggressive things, UM,

550
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: wishing hate and disgust on my family, UM, saying things like, oh, well,

551
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm gonna just go by a mountain bike

552
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: to arm and two chainsaws, and I'm gonna ride around

553
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: the woods with my two chainsaws and I'm gonna cut

554
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: all the trees down, and I'm gonna call it mountain

555
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: bike chainsawing. And I'm gonna create a new sport, just

556
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: like you created the sport of hunting. And if you

557
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: actually look, it's obviously this. Obviously this gentleman was very

558
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: passionate about this argument. But obviously if you sit back

559
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and look at his argument, it's almost complete nonsense. One

560
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the other he is basically saying,

561
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: he's equating hunting and fishing too. We go into wild

562
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: places and just harvest, harvest, harvest, harvest, harvest. We literally,

563
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: if you, if you if you've seen the if you've

564
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: read the Dr. Seuss book about the Lower Acts, you

565
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: know that this one flur is this creature that goes

566
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: into the woods and creates this this item that he

567
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: wants to sell to the population. There's so much connection

568
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: in this story. We have this person who represents a

569
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: population of people wants to go into the wild to

570
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: chop everything down to harvest all the water, harvest, harvest

571
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: all the trees, harvest everything that they can to create

572
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: a product for the populations, and in doing so, you know,

573
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: basically create a wasteland of the earth. And so that's

574
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: what some of this very small population I think that's

575
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: they're wrapping their heads around. Uh, they're confusing killing of

576
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: animals with murder. Uh, they're confusing animals. They're they're adding

577
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: anthropomorphism with animals. Through all of our connections to Walt Disney,

578
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: um and and they just have went so far down

579
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: the wrong path that their their argument is witless. And

580
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: and like I said, borderline nonsense and psychotic, and so

581
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: it's a very small group. So, again a long winded answer,

582
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: I think the majority of people either support it or

583
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: understand why we do it. They might they might not

584
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: do it themselves, or they might not um you know,

585
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: beyond the front lines if you will, but they definitely

586
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: understand why we do it, why we do it. Yeah,

587
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: it seems like they're like you said, there's that small

588
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: minority of your extreme anti hunters who are not open

589
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: to any other way of looking at things that you know,

590
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can say or do that's going to

591
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: make them feel Differently, there's this much broader population of

592
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: people who are kind of on the fence. They're kind

593
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: of okay with it. But at the same time, I

594
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: think they're very easily influenced by some of the things

595
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: that might pop up in the media by way of

596
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: the anti hunters or because of mistakes made by hunters

597
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: that can be then easily used to to h to

598
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: support some of these arguments by anti hunters about these

599
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: different crazy theories that of course make no sense when

600
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you think about them logically. But when you put a

601
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: picture of a deadline in front of a headline it

602
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: seems appalling to people that grew up on the Lion

603
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: King and Bambi and all this kind of stuff. I

604
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: think so much though, to unders stand what we do

605
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: and to understand hunting when you have none of that context,

606
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: it's a really difficult thing to wrap your head around

607
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: without thinking about it and without under without meeting people

608
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: and talking about these types of things and understanding everything

609
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: that goes into it. So I feel like it's increasingly

610
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I rant about this a lot,

611
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: but I think it's increasingly important for us as hunters

612
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: to you know, participate in that discussion and to be

613
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: positive representative representatives of this hunting way of life or

614
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: our community and what we do, because um more and more,

615
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: if you if you mess up, or if we do

616
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: something that you know obviously isn't what we want to

617
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: be shown, is what hunters are all about. That stuff

618
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: can now be spread across the internet so quickly or

619
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: used in propaganda or whatever. I mean, it's it's that,

620
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly, That's exactly what I mean. Let's kill

621
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: the rumors, Let's kill the negativity, Let's kill the hard

622
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: line of black and white where you're either forward or

623
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: against it. Let's kill that by hunting ethically, by um

624
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: speaking clearly about our intentions with the habitat, our intentions

625
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: with the wild places, our connections with the wild places.

626
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Let's if you show them the engagement that you have

627
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: with in the wild, and you show them why you're there,

628
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: and you show them what you're doing, and you're completely transparent,

629
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: you're doing it with great ethics. The arguments just start

630
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: to fall away. And like I said, then you reduce

631
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: your population of naysayers down to people who are really

632
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: never going to listen. And certainly I guess you should

633
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: still take time to speak with them, but um, you

634
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: might not wanna. You might not want to be your

635
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: your head against the wall too bad. And like when

636
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: people send me, if somebody sends me a letter and says, hey,

637
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian who I can't really get over that

638
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: hump of killing an animal. I can't really get over

639
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: that hump of eating flesh or watching you eat flesh.

640
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I just can you maybe explain it to me a

641
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: little bit more. Absolutely, UM going to engage with him

642
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: or her. We're going to have a conversation. This is

643
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for me to speak with them, not

644
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: to persuade them, just to enlighten them into what I do.

645
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: They can make up their own minds. They're an articulate individual.

646
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: But if if if we're if we're engaging with the

647
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: wrong audience, Um, you just might you just might FALLIFID

648
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: on your face. So if somebody sends me a message

649
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: saying I'm in a mountain like with two chainsaws, I uh,

650
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, I don't chuckle. It doesn't amuse me. I

651
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: kind of roll my eyes and move on with my life.

652
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: And I don't even think anything. You know, I don't.

653
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think twice about it. But in the

654
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: same regard, um, you know, and I would be interested

655
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: to hear how you guys feel. But about this gentleman

656
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: that speared this bear. Uh and then under arm or

657
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: all these people attacking under armoured because they you know,

658
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: because they drop them. Um. Was it legal to spear

659
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: to bear? I get it was. I haven't really listened

660
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: to it. But let's assume that it was legal to

661
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: spear the bear. Was it ethical? Well, that's an entirely

662
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: another question. And um, is that is that the message

663
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: that we want to send to the people that are

664
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of on the fence or the people that are

665
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: looking for more information. Is that is that what we're

666
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: trying to represent. We now have modern weapons, whether it

667
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: be even traditional weapons of long bows, recurved bows, compound bows, crossbows,

668
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: high part rifles, black powder shotguns. All these things are

669
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: incredibly lethal. Um, why not choose something that is insanely

670
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: lethal and it's going to make it quick and ethical?

671
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Right off to that, then challenging the I wonder if

672
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: this spear is going to do it. I'm gonna sit

673
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: on the ground and spear a bear over bait, and

674
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if this spear is gonna do it and

675
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: and then create some controversy. I just that's that's the

676
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: realm that I don't quite understand. Yeah, it's to play

677
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate. Just second, Donnie. If with maybe

678
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: a thought process like that, then I guess why are

679
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: we even bow hunting? If there is another weapon like

680
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: a rifle or a shotgun that is maybe more accurate

681
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: and more uh potentially deadly than all the things that

682
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong with U with a bow? Well,

683
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: I guess, um, I guess that is I guess the

684
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: the bow is definitely uh uh more challenging weapon if

685
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: you won't because you have to close the distance. But

686
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I I don't know if you

687
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: could make the argument on lotality with a bullet versus

688
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: a broadhead. Um, I think that would be a tough

689
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: argument too to make for in either case either way.

690
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: And so, um, I see it is more of a

691
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: distance thing. And um and uh and I'll hunting tactic

692
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: things that I that I do, that I do anything again.

693
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, there are hundreds of animals killed all over

694
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the world like sphere every single year by Aboriginal tribes.

695
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: And um, absolutely, I'm just saying in in I wonder

696
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: if bringing it to the mainstream and airing it out

697
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: and challenging people is the best message for us. That's that's,

698
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: That's all I'm I'm curious about. Yeah, And I think

699
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: there's I think there's a lot of a lot of

700
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: things you mentioned there are right for us to be

701
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: concerned about and thinking about. In my opinion. Um, though,

702
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying to Dan, and it's I

703
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: think something kind of popped into my head kind of

704
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: related to what you're mentioning earlier donning. With some people

705
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: you can get engage with some people you just simply can't.

706
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: I think it's good and necessary that we have conversations

707
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: like this, both within the hunting community and outside of it. Um.

708
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, yes something is legal, but is it the

709
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: right choice for us as a hunting community moving forward?

710
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And there's we often talk about this. There's this um,

711
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: there's two different ways sometimes these touches of is go.

712
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: There's where we get into a spat about our different

713
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: opinions on how to hunt or something like that. More

714
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: one guy says, you know, if you're using a crossbow,

715
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: your your worst and you're not really a hunter. And

716
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: then so and so says, well that's the only way

717
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: to hunt. Blah blah. So there's some people that like

718
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: to argue about the different semantics of hunting. And then

719
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: there's the other side that gets that gets mad at

720
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: you if you have a different opinion, because then they

721
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: say you're tearing down the hunting community. You should never

722
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: question anything of its legal support them um. And I

723
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: think that either one of those two isn't very productive.

724
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I wish that more often, whether it be within the

725
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: hunting type of conversation or just in the world, like

726
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: when you're talking about politics or differences of opinion or anything.

727
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a serious um deficit of logical, reasonable,

728
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: open minded conversation UM and being able to have an

729
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: open mind two different ways of looking at the world.

730
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: I've just become increasingly frustrated over the this past year, really,

731
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes to all these things with

732
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: politics lately, and then also when we talk about stuff

733
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: like this in the hunting world, Um gosh, why can't

734
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: we just talk about this stuff? And I think more

735
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: and more so within the hunting world, we need to

736
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: be willing to talk about these things and examine ourselves

737
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: as hunters because if we don't, and if things like

738
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: the under arm or thing happen more often, whether you

739
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: think it's right or not what he did, If we

740
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: have those bad pr type things when it comes to hunting,

741
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: the more and more that happens, the greater chance I

742
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: think there are for knee jerk reactions to happen by

743
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: the general public that damage our long term privileges as hunters. UM.

744
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: So I hope we can at least open ourselves up

745
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: as a hunting community to talk about this stuff and

746
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: to at least be open to thinking about these things.

747
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Is this the right thing for us moving forward and

748
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: then being open to the different opinions on it? I agree?

749
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: I agree. People UM, I think, more often than not

750
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: love to enter an argument with their mind may up

751
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: or you know, perception that they are correct. And uh,

752
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I'm referring to. I don't know.

753
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: There are so many variables, um, that we don't even

754
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: know about. Right. Let's like, let's say this gentleman with

755
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: a with the spear and the bear. There are so

756
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: many variables that we don't even know about. Yet we

757
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: see UM one one whip lash. We see under armur

758
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: making a business decision and reacting to the negativity. I'm

759
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: guessing the negative comments on probably this gentleman or his

760
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: wife's video. So you see under armor making a quick,

761
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: uh decision, and then you see the whole rest of

762
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: the world. Right, people are sending me videos of them

763
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: burning their under arm or gear and and then you

764
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: have that backlash over there. But really, no one is,

765
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: like you said, no one is talking about you know,

766
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of of UM. I guess why

767
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: he speared the bear or why bear hunt Batman or um.

768
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, if it's if it's legal and ethical, is

769
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: it you know, do we do? We just support it regardless.

770
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: And there's many many tactics of hunting that I have

771
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: no interest in participating in myself. But um, I either

772
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to denounce them if they're legal, but

773
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to talk about them if I'm

774
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: not in in support of them, because I'm certainly not

775
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: the type that just blindly supports. If it's for hunting

776
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: and it's pro hunting, then I'm going to support it

777
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: no matter what. I'd much rather have the most information

778
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: possible and make up my own mind. Yeah. Right, there

779
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: was actually kind of interesting to bring this up. There's

780
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: a kind of situation like this on Facebook right now

781
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: which I think I should just shut down Facebook and

782
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: not look at stuff on there anymore. Is it just

783
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: endlessly frustrates me. Um. But somebody posted a picture of

784
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: a deer they'd shot to some group message board or whatever,

785
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: and they had shot this deer in the head and

786
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: blew off blew off its mouth. Um, and this hunter

787
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: killed it and killed it up, killed it. So he

788
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: had the picture of him holding the deer with his

789
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: face blown off, and he was a super happy hunter

790
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: about it. And then you had, you know, you had

791
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: the two sides of the argument, and then just go

792
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: off in the thread here where you've got one side

793
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: that says, congrats, you know it was a legal kill

794
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: and nothing wrong with it, and then he had one

795
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: side that said, how unethical or how you know this

796
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: is you know, there's some serious concerns with this type

797
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: of thing, thinking that's okay, and then you've got these

798
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: people saying, well, and he shots a good shot, and

799
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: just all the different things that might come up within

800
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: that type of topic. I just read through this and

801
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: it just it just saddened me. I think, just seeing

802
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: the a, the vitriol, and then also then the unwillingness

803
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: to think about the ethics of something like this or

804
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: to think about the ramifications of that kind of thing. Um,

805
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, the whole thing just kind of put

806
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: me in a bummer of a mood. Food and um,

807
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: I worry about that stuff a lot, just the ram Yeah,

808
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be uh

809
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: if if there is a downfall beyond the complete implosion

810
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: of Earth through overpopulation and and just uh habitat destruction.

811
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: If there's if if if it doesn't go that route. Um,

812
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and we have to make decisions on hunting in the

813
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: in the future. I mean, it's it's things like social

814
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: media and uh, it's going to be our our our downfall.

815
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be are it's you know,

816
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: it spreads, It spreads the negative message, and it gives

817
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: anyone with a keyboard a voice. And anything can be

818
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: toted as a fact. Anyone can give their anyone can

819
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: spin it however they want. Uh, and and photos like that.

820
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, who knows you know that's uh. You know,

821
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: I I myself guard my comments. I mean, listen to

822
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: me even speaking, I myself guard my comments because I

823
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: don't want to feel ten thousand emails tomorrow is saying

824
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: it's my god given right to shoot a deer in

825
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: the head when I I, you know, I may have

826
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: my own opinions of it, you know, and and and

827
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: we you know it it's everything is spun. Everything is spun,

828
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: and and it's really tough to make h It's really

829
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: tough to make a decision. And you know, back in

830
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: the day, UM, let's call it nine if you will,

831
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: and you and I are. Um, you know, you drive

832
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: your car over to my farm and and we're gonna

833
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: you and I are gonna still hunt my farm. And

834
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go over it's still hunt your farm.

835
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: And you and I are still hunting along our field

836
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: edge and uh, you know, a big door big buck

837
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: jumps up and starts running, and you and I pull up.

838
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: We take a running shot, and one of us is

839
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: off and hits the animal on the head and drops

840
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: in these tracks or uh, you know, something along that fashion.

841
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: We you know, we go up there, we walk up

842
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: to it. If it's not dead, we dispatch it as

843
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: quickly as possible. If it is dead, um, you know,

844
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: we we probably shake hands, grab the front leg, dragged

845
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: it back to the barn and skin it out with

846
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: not even thinking twice about it. And obviously that wasn't

847
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: the intended bowl to shoot it in the head, but

848
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's what happened when we were hunting together,

849
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: and we skin it out and split the meat, and

850
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, and and we go on our merry way.

851
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: Well that that completely changes when you post a photo

852
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: to the world of this deer. That is um, you know,

853
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: that is that is destroyed in such a way or

854
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: has been hit in such a way. It's just shocking

855
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: for people. If anyone has any preparation about it, there there,

856
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: their argument can really quickly be pushed the other direction

857
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: when they see a deer that's been shot in the head,

858
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: really really quickly. And uh, and so the times have changed,

859
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's we have to be I

860
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: don't want to say we have to be careful because

861
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't want people to center their opinions and the

862
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: things that they do. I just want to be honest

863
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: with themselves and honestly, the way they go about thinks

864
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: that this guy went hunting and he wanted dear me,

865
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I think needed dear me. It's probably

866
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: a very select few people, but wanted dear me, and

867
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: this dear presented a shot of its head. And this

868
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: gentleman felt like he could make that shot, and that

869
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: was a shot he want to take. I don't know.

870
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: It's not a shot that I would take. I'll tell

871
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: you that. And I'm not passing judgment on on what

872
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: he did. It would because to your point, I would

873
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: have done something different. But you know, you don't know

874
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: the circumstances you don't know, and I don't know all

875
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: the details either, but I think it just raised looking

876
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: at all the various comments and opinions and there's just

877
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: all there were all sorts of things mixed in there

878
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: that make you kind of just I don't know, I

879
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: don't know, just frustrates you a little bit. Sorry, Damn,

880
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: what were you saying? I was just gonna say, Donnie,

881
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, throughout my entire life, I've been taught that.

882
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, communication is a two way street. You know,

883
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: we have to do our best to try to communicate

884
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: with them, and they have to try to do their

885
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: best to try to communicate with us. How important is it,

886
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: you know? And seeing what you do, you are doing

887
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: your best to try to put hunting in a positive

888
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: light and maybe showcase how it's supposed to be done.

889
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: How you do it there, you know, the kind of

890
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: the right way to explain to maybe people who are

891
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: not pro hunting or maybe do or don't support it

892
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: but are non hunters, um kind of that light. How

893
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: important is it for us as hunters too then see

894
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: things from their point of view if we're asking them

895
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: to see things from our point of view. Yeah, and

896
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: Dan just so you know, like when I put together

897
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: my films are our films, I should say I'm obviously

898
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: on the camera, but there's a lot of guys working

899
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: on the things together. But when we put together our films,

900
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: it's not to show I'm not showing hunters how it

901
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: should be done. I'm not showing hunters the correct way

902
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: that it should be done. I'm not showing hunters that

903
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm a better or more successful hunters than

904
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: they are. I'm showing the way that I enjoy hunting.

905
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: This is how I enjoy hunting. These are the things

906
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: that I enjoy to see and talk about. And so

907
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm just putting forth, um, what what how I feel

908
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: about hunting, and then people are open to interpret it

909
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: themselves and and literally, uh, you know, the first time

910
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: I wrote The Rivers Divide, I was writing, um, the

911
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: script if you will the voiceovers, and I wrote it

912
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: and handed at the Kyle and he's like, no, you're

913
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: writing it for TV. And I said, well, you know,

914
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of trying to tread lightly, Like don't let's

915
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: not tread lightly. Just be honest. Let's just talk about

916
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: let's talk about how you are sad, and will you

917
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: can when you kill an animal. And so I thought,

918
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: screw it, all right, whatever I'm doing it, I have

919
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing to lose from this. I'm putting it out there

920
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: and just started hunting. I just started portraying hunting and

921
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: hunting on film, the way that I hunt when I'm

922
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: not on film, and the way I act and speak

923
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: when when I'm not on film. And so I just

924
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: try to do it honest to myself, and everything else

925
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: can fall by the wayside. Like this. This new film

926
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: that we're coming out with is about my journey as

927
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: a bear hunter, because I have evolved as a bear

928
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: hunter and and and we can talk more about that later,

929
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: but I do think it's important that we sit down

930
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: and listen to their viewpoints and um, try to look

931
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: at things through through their lenses, if you will, and

932
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: understand that's that's what I'm saying. Like it, if you

933
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: actually take a step back, it is not that difficult

934
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: to think about, um, how violent and how upsetting it

935
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: can be to shoot a deer and maybe a little

936
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: bit less of it's a doctor or something like that,

937
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: because um, it just seems like the larger the animal,

938
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: the bigger the brain. It seems like it has the

939
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: more impact on us the more we relate to it.

940
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: So I definitely, I definitely think it and I feel

941
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: it myself when when I'm sitting in a tree and

942
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: I see a big, mature dough headed my way and

943
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: she's walking right down the past. You're gonna come within

944
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: the distance of my bowl or my gun. Uh. One

945
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: of the reasons my heart starts beating out of my chest. Um,

946
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: is this, this decision that I'm about to make is

947
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: a one way street. She if she walks past me

948
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: and I make the decision, she dies today. Right now.

949
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: She doesn't know she's going to die. She's just walking

950
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: down this trail. I know she's going to die. And

951
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: that is overwhelming. It's very very heavy for me. And

952
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: it's a really big decision when I move forward with

953
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger or releasing my arrow, and so, um,

954
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I already I feel like I already

955
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: understand the other side a little bit. The only thing

956
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: that I don't understand is this big these There's many

957
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: things that I don't understand with their argument. Um. If

958
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: if we're describing them as side, but one of the

959
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: biggest of some of the elements of their argument that

960
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: I failed to see and when people are making what

961
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: I believe to be really silly decisions with you know,

962
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: um um, you know, having having birth control amongst deer,

963
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: or or protecting deer from hunters, because people think, if

964
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: we don't kill them, if we don't kill some of

965
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: these animals, this population, then this population, this habitat, this

966
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: wild area is going to perpetuate into a perfect balance.

967
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: Right if we leave this forty acre woods alone, it

968
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: is going to perpetuate into Walt Disney is going to

969
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: perpetuate into the perfect forty acres. Nothing could be further

970
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: from the truth. All of these animals, whether it be

971
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: a gray squirrel, whether it be the non indigenous buckfiorn,

972
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: whether it be the white tailed deer, all these animals

973
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: are aggressively going to go after their habitat to go

974
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: through their differential reproductive success. They want to reproduce. They

975
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: want to be the biggest, strongest, most successful they can

976
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: be so that they can have sex and produce offspring.

977
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Whether it's a plant, whether it's an animal, they are

978
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: going to go after the resource with absolute Now, when

979
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: we weren't here or we had limited numbers, these animals

980
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: kind of kept each other in check and balances. Those

981
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: days are long gone. Now we have to participate both

982
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: in habitat reconstruction. We have to participate in selective hardness.

983
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: We have to participate in bringing money into different economies

984
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: so that animals have um a worth to them, to

985
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: to ward off poachers, to employ people, to keep eyes

986
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: on these populations, to try to to try to control

987
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: this shrinking. Right, this is shrinking, no way, no other

988
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: way to look at it, unless we have a catastrophic

989
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: die off of the human population. There's one thing that's

990
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: that's we cannot argue is that we are burning through

991
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: our habitat. We are burning through our earth faster than

992
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: any other species. That is the only thing that you

993
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: can't argue. Yeah, and that's something that keeps me up

994
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: a lot thinking about that kind of stuff. Yeah. Man,

995
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of things here, kind of within

996
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: this whole larger topic that keep me up at night. Um.

997
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: And And to to interrupt you quick, Mark, that's why.

998
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: And as silly as the sounds, that's why when I'm hunting,

999
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking into the camera or whatever it is. I

1000
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: just want to appreciate this moment right now. I have

1001
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: no idea what the next time is going to be

1002
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: like when I'm sitting in a tree, or sneaking up

1003
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: on a mule deer, or sitting in a ground blind

1004
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: or sneaking up on a water buffalo or whatever. I

1005
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: just want to be super present when I'm hunting, when

1006
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm fishing, when I'm even just outdoors scouting or just

1007
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: taking a walk with a friend, I want to be

1008
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: super present and I wanna appreciate the blue jay, the

1009
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: connecticate warbler, the brook trout, the garter snake. I just

1010
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: I just really really really reduce my interactions. I really

1011
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: reduce my mind down to just really appreciating all these

1012
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: simple things that are right in front of my face

1013
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: and try not to get caught up in the you know,

1014
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: this fit that we have to be successful. Yeah, that's

1015
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: definitely one of my biggest um oh qualms of myself.

1016
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: I guess is I am definitely guilty of sometimes getting

1017
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: so caught up in the you know I don't want to.

1018
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that the hunt so

1019
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: consumed with trying to get that quote unquote success that

1020
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I forget to pay attention to the simple things

1021
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and everything in the in the greater why. Um, I

1022
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: constantly need to remind myself to kind of step away

1023
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: from myself for a moment or from the actual task

1024
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: at hand, and just remember why it is we're out

1025
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: here in the first place. UM. And I think when

1026
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: you if you can do that, a lot of things

1027
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: kind of fall into place naturally. But it's easy these

1028
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: days with and I think we're as guilty as anyone

1029
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: sometimes just being in the media. You know, it's so

1030
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: easy to get consumed with trying to kill the next

1031
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: big deer, or to do this or that and post

1032
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: a picture, and I mean all these things. Is easy

1033
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: to get worked up and caught up in that kind

1034
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. But get this, get this ego food. I

1035
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. I was just talking to Tile today,

1036
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: Colin Nick, and I thought, imagine if next year in

1037
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: the United States, And not that I'm against them at all,

1038
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: I absolutely love them in fact, but what if in

1039
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the United States next year for a year, we just

1040
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: said absolutely no trail cameras, none. You have to just

1041
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: go to the woods, climbing your tree, stand, climbing your groundline,

1042
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: or go sit behind your binoculars and glass the water hole.

1043
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: If you're in Arizona. You have to sit there and

1044
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: glass the water hole in morning and night to see

1045
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: if a giant muley is is coming to take a drink,

1046
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: or a desert big horns coming to take a drink.

1047
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: No trail cremors whatsoever. You just I would be astounded

1048
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: if sportsmen and women didn't go to the woods with uh,

1049
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: with a heart that was a lot more full of

1050
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: the experience than when they go there with looking for

1051
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: this dear to do this and get it on film

1052
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: and to get a picture of it, put it on Facebook,

1053
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: put it on Instagram, whatever. We're all guilty of it.

1054
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: I just wonder, um, if the enjoyment factor would go

1055
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: off the charts. Yeah, that's interesting question. I mean it's

1056
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: so true. I mean I'm I'm guilty of it too.

1057
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I've become so all consumed of that kind of stuff.

1058
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: And I would be very interesting to see because part

1059
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: of what I personally love about hunting, or one piece

1060
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: of it is that journey, sometimes you know, tarding one

1061
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: specific buck like I am this year. Um, But then

1062
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: it's also like sometimes that it you lose something because

1063
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: of that, you lose all that. It's almost like I

1064
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: found myself, you know, over the course of October and November,

1065
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: every hunt that didn't you know, get me one step

1066
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: closer to killing this one buck. I it was I

1067
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: wasn't enjoying or I found myself like upset, and I'm like,

1068
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: why I shouldn't be upset about that, or frustrated by this,

1069
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: or not enjoying seeing a beautiful deer having that experience,

1070
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: or being out in nature and stuff. There definitely is

1071
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: that risk of um of losing some of those things

1072
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: that there's there's some great things about trail cameras and

1073
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: management and all that kind of stuff, but there's definitely

1074
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: risks that if you let that get out of hand,

1075
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: it can you can lose sight of some of the

1076
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: bigger things. So almost like having a certain expectation going

1077
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: into the woods is ruining the overall experience of hunting. Yeah,

1078
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: you're looking past the things that are just before you.

1079
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: You're looking past them. You're looking through the chain lying

1080
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: sense instead of looking at it. And and it's it's

1081
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: something that I'm challenging myself with because we all slip

1082
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: into it, and in creating films is my job now

1083
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: and uh, and so you know, I slipped into it too.

1084
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: But I I have come through this evolution like a

1085
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of people are, you know, like we started our

1086
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: conversation out with a lot of people are saying, hey, man,

1087
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: when's the next film gonna come out? We need the

1088
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: next film, and and uh, you know, I I feel

1089
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: like I don't owe anything to anyone, and I just

1090
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: want to produce the next film when it's honestly done,

1091
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: and when it's honest to who I am and and

1092
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: what I am, and then I'll release it them. And

1093
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: and my point is, I'm just trying to pull myself

1094
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: real myself back in from the from the you know,

1095
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: slipping into the exact same rat race. And I've actually

1096
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: been contemplating lately, um doing quite a bit of hunting

1097
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: in the in the future here where I pull my

1098
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: trail cameras back um and still do the management. I

1099
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: still want to manage the land. I really enjoy adding

1100
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: the much needed betting cover and food to the properties

1101
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: that I hunt for the deer, squirrels, pheasants, turkeys, snakes, turtles, everything.

1102
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: I really enjoy improving the habitats. So I would still

1103
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: do that. But then when I go hunting, um, you know,

1104
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: take a recurve. Uh, and uh, pull on my woolends

1105
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: and go take a recurve and and and just take

1106
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: a step back and empty the backpack out and get

1107
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: rid of all the gadgets and this, that and the

1108
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: other thing, and and uh just try to clear my

1109
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: mind and enjoy the experience a little bit more. When

1110
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: when you kind of watch these surfing films you listen

1111
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: to these people talk about, uh, you know, find trying

1112
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: to find the perfect ride or you know, find the

1113
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: perfect wave and be caught in that quote unquote perfect moment.

1114
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: Are you kind of a purest when it comes to

1115
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: hunting and trying to find like the search for that

1116
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:34,479
Speaker 1: perfect moment? Yes, yes, I I yes, I've um. Yes,

1117
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: it falls in lines with with like what what you said, Um,

1118
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: that gentleman shooting that deer in the head. I wouldn't

1119
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: do that. Why wouldn't I do that? And that doesn't

1120
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit my bill of being a hunter that

1121
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mind not not a person that that as soon

1122
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: as that took place, um, that that interaction would be

1123
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: tainted for me. And uh, and that's not what I'm

1124
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: looking for. I actually had a friend of mine and

1125
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: this is when I first started hunting. Um, I was

1126
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: calling in a turkey, a big tom turkey, and he

1127
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: was gobbling his head off, and he was full strout

1128
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: and he was coming and uh, something wasn't right. He

1129
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't like something, and he wasn't really spooked. But he

1130
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: came out of full strout and just kind of skirted

1131
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: the edge of the field and went down in the timber.

1132
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: And I had a shotgun with me, and I jumped

1133
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: up when I ran down the ridge, and I stuck

1134
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: around this oak tree. And here he comes walking on

1135
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: this logging road, maybe like picken yards away from me,

1136
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: and I just let him walk on by. And later

1137
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: on I met up with my friend and said, yeah,

1138
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: how was your morning? I said, oh, man, I had

1139
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: this big tom coming to me. I'll never forget it.

1140
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: It was a picked corn field. He was gobbling every

1141
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: staff or every second step. I could see his big

1142
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: beard was just slapping against his chest. And Um, I

1143
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: was sitting with my back to the east, and so

1144
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: the sun was just firing up his feathers, and I

1145
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: can I can see this as though I'm still sitting

1146
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: against that I was sitting against a wood aisle. I

1147
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: can still see this as though. I was sitting against

1148
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: a wood pile, and he came down and then I

1149
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: told him the story as just as I had just

1150
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 1: told you. Uh And he said, why did you shoot him?

1151
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: And I said, he didn't do the deal. And he said, man,

1152
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: you you read too many books and you watched too

1153
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: much TV. That's what he said. He said, you read

1154
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: too many books, you watched you watched too much TV.

1155
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: I said, no, that's that's not at all. I just

1156
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: wanted him to do the deal. I wanted to trip

1157
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: him with my call to my decoy. I wanted the

1158
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: trout to build up and eat the fly. I just

1159
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, if if if the trout goes up to

1160
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: eat the fly and it turns out the last second

1161
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: and I hooked hooked the trout and the caudle fin,

1162
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: and I real admit, it's not the same for me.

1163
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: It just isn't. And um, you know I don't live

1164
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: in a cabin in northern Alaska five miles from a

1165
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: grocery store. If I if I did, and I needed

1166
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: a moose to make it through the winter for me

1167
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: and my family, and a cow moose presented only her

1168
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: head to me. Uh on in a in a late

1169
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: October hunt. You bet your ass I would shoot her

1170
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: in the head. But that's not where I am right now.

1171
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: And so my my personal degree of hunting success and

1172
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: my enjoyment comes with a set of standards, both ethical

1173
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: and and heavy with conservation. It's just who I am. Yeah,

1174
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, and I think a lot of

1175
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: us go through an evolution. We each have our own

1176
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: individual evolution as a hunter. I think, um, and I

1177
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: think I'm I'm getting to the point where I feel

1178
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: more and more like you do in those types of moments, Donnie,

1179
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: where you know, for a long time as I just

1180
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: want to kill a deer, and then I finally was

1181
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: able to do that consistently, and then I was like,

1182
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: all right, I want to kill a mature deer or

1183
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: a bigger deer. And then I feel like I've proven

1184
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: I can do that. And now now I'm like in

1185
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: this weird place where all of a sudden getting to

1186
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: kill I don't know, I'm in a weird place where

1187
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: we were just talking before you joined us, Donny, about

1188
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: how I've been after one buck this year. Um, it's

1189
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: been for two years. I've been after him, and I've

1190
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: been hunting him and I've seen him twenty times and

1191
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: now I just found out he's still live and I

1192
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: could take a muzzleloader out there, and I actually just

1193
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: saw him recently in daylight, and I think I could

1194
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: probably kill him with a gun. And now I'm thinking,

1195
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to, Like, I don't

1196
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: know if I even if I even want that hunt

1197
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: to come to an end this way. Um. And it's yeah, yeah,

1198
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: and I it's just really interesting to have all these

1199
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: different feelings about the how and the why. Um. And

1200
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: if anything, I guess it just reminds me and brings

1201
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: home the fact that hunting is a very complicated, complex thing. Um.

1202
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: And see, maybe that gentleman Mark, maybe that gentleman with

1203
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: the spear, maybe that maybe that was the next step

1204
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: for him, Right, That's that's those are the elements that

1205
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: we don't know. That's that's what I'm talking about. Maybe

1206
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: that was the next step for him. Yeah, yeah, which

1207
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: which goes back to original point of the importance of

1208
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: of being open to talking about these things and open

1209
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: to other people's perspectives on these kinds of things. And hey, yeah,

1210
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: it's man, there there's so many different takes and I

1211
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: think The issue is when we get so hard line

1212
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: on this is the one right way to do it,

1213
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: and if you don't do it the way I do it,

1214
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: or look at it the way I look at it,

1215
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: then you're an idiot. And I you know, I'm gonna

1216
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: lambast you. That's I think where we're get into trouble. Um.

1217
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: But but man, we've been talking about all sorts of

1218
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: these these deeper parts of hunting. I'd be I'd have

1219
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: some angry listeners if I didn't at least ask you

1220
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: about the more surface level aspects of hunting too. Being

1221
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: your deer hunting this year, I know you've been doing

1222
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: a little more deer hunting um recently, and I want

1223
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: to know how that's been going for you. But real quick,

1224
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: before we get to that, we need to pause for

1225
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: word from our sponsors of this episode, Redneck Blinds and

1226
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds is offering a few special deals this month

1227
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: for Wired hunting listeners. But first, I recently spoke with

1228
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: Bill Winkie of Midwest Whitetail about how he's been having

1229
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: success with these blinds, in particular, how he used one

1230
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: of these to kill a this year he called Lefty,

1231
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: and I wanted to share that with you. One of

1232
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: the things that I've had the most success with over

1233
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: the years is hunting um corn fields right after the

1234
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: farmer combines those, and that can be really challenging because

1235
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: the deer come from all different directions, so it's pretty

1236
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: tough to hunt those spots from a tree stand. But

1237
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: they're so attractive that you want to find some way

1238
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: to hunt it um. You know, you get the weird

1239
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: wind directions that may not coincide with the day that

1240
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to be in there, and and that sort

1241
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: of thing. So what I've started doing now is putting

1242
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: these rednecklines on trailers and pulling them into the fields

1243
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: while the farmer is pulling out with the combined So

1244
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: basically he's finishing up while I'm pulling in. And the

1245
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: deer have gotten so used to farm equipment over the

1246
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: years in the Midwest that it's no big deal to them.

1247
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, a wagon sitting in a field or

1248
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: something like that is nothing to a deer, so they

1249
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: don't know that that blind is anything other than a

1250
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: piece of farm equipment. So that's the I it on

1251
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: this hunt for this buck that I had nicknamed Lefty.

1252
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: It was the same day that the farmer combined that

1253
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: I drove. I drove the wagon or the trailer in

1254
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: there with the blind on it and set it up.

1255
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: Two days later, I was finally able to get back

1256
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: there and hunt that spot, and uh, the buck came

1257
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: out at thirty yards fifteen minutes left in legal shooting time,

1258
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: never even looked at the blind. Um, he stepped out

1259
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 1: of the brush and really kind of caught us by surprise.

1260
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean we were about ready to pack up and

1261
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: leave because we just felt like there was just one

1262
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: of those nights, you know, where nothing was going to

1263
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: show up, And the only day that came out was

1264
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: the buck that I was hunting. So it was kind

1265
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: of a kind of a cool little uh twist of

1266
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: that hunt. But the point is he paid absolutely no

1267
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: attention to that blind and it'd only been there for

1268
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: two days. Uh. To him, it was a piece of

1269
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: farm equipment. And having the flexibility to be able to

1270
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: do that, um, it's super important. And the redneck blinds,

1271
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean are are overall their grape blinds and hunt

1272
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Speaker 1: out because you have so many shooting window options. So

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01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: when you move into a field like that, uh, you

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01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: know you've got so many different places where you can shoot,

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: and the deer I always going to cooperate and you

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: walk right past the front of the blind. So it's

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01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: nice to have all the corner windows that you can

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: swing open real quick and easy and get shots wherever

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01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: you need them. M The other thing too, is, like

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: I said, the wind direction can be pretty variable for you,

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: and these blinds are really good because you can you

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: can shut all the windows um and that bottles your

1283
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: sent up inside and then at the last second you

1284
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: can swing them on the corner windows open and make

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: your shot. So that's kind of the quick summary of

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,480
Speaker 1: how that hunt was successful for that buck named Lefty,

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: but we've done it on many other deer too, under

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: almost identical situations. So if you are interested in trying

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Speaker 1: something out from Redneck Blinds through the end of the year,

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: you can use the promo code wired that's w I

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: R E D to get one off one of their

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: pay bail blinds, fifty off one of their soft side

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01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: of blinds, twenty dollars off one of their very comfortable

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: hunting chairs, or twenty dollars off one of their te

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: post feeders. So again at checkout, use promo code wired

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01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: to get a hundred dollars off the bail blind, fifty

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01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: off the side side, or twenty bucks off their chair

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: or te post feeder. You can go to Redneck Blinds

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01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: dot com to see all of those. And now back

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01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: to the show, and Donnie was just about to tell

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01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: us about how his recent white tail hunts have been going. Uh,

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: it's been going. I mean, uh that the conversation I

1303
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: just told you about that I had with Kyle where

1304
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: I said that would be fantastic to take a step

1305
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: back from show cameras, take a step back from all

1306
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: the gadgets with you either on the ground or in

1307
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: the tree, and and just you know, a good bowl,

1308
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: good parapin oculars, good set of wool, and just enjoy

1309
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: your time in the tree or on the ground, wherever

1310
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 1: it may be. Um. That stemmed from my dear hunting

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: in North Dakota this year because I basically, quote unquote,

1312
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't even like to say it this way, but

1313
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: I basically know of all the books that live on

1314
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: this ranch, right, I've gotten all of their pictures a

1315
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: thousand times and um, and through that process I know

1316
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: who was the oldest, not the biggest, the oldest um,

1317
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: And so I started fixating on this deer this year

1318
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: that I call Beefcake. And I call him Beefcake because uh,

1319
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: he's just has a massive body. He has you know,

1320
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: not not nothing to write home about frailers. So he

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01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: would probably score if you're a score guy. He'd probably

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01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: met in the upper one thirties as an eight pointer.

1323
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: Maybe if he's bigger than I think, he might met

1324
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: in the low and forties as an eight pointer. Um.

1325
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: But his body was just so huge and he's so tough.

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: I've watched him chase a couple of other big box

1327
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: off of dose and and fight and win and saw

1328
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, he just I just liked

1329
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: who he was and and knew he would be difficult

1330
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: to hunt. So I picked him, but in inadvertently I

1331
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: ended up passing every other box that lives on the ranch.

1332
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: I saw them all. There's only one other one that

1333
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have a chance to shoot, and um, and

1334
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: I saw him twice, he just was too far away.

1335
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: And that was that was a deer who I know

1336
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: was five and a half years older night, and selfishly

1337
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to see when he's six and a half

1338
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: years old, but to answer your question. Like, I went

1339
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: out to North Dakota early in September just to kind

1340
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: of scout, and I knew I was going to have

1341
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: access to this branch for the rut, so I didn't

1342
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: want to kill a deer early, even though it was

1343
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: deer season. I just want to watch him check everyone out,

1344
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of learn their behaviors and really started to gain

1345
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: this connection with them just personally and uh. And I

1346
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: went out there and did that and it was incredible,

1347
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: and I went back during the rut two weeks to

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: do it. The first was ten days of the two

1349
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: weeks where somewhere in between sixty and seventy degrees during

1350
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: daytime highs, so the mornings were non existent. But I

1351
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: never barely saw a deer in the morning. In fact,

1352
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: I was seeing all of my movement morchs throughout the

1353
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: rut the first two weeks. I was there November five

1354
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: and so November seven eleven, I was seeing almost all

1355
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: of my movement between ten am and noon, and then

1356
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't see anything essentially in the morning or in

1357
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: the evening. There was just a movement in the middle

1358
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:44,839
Speaker 1: of the day. And I came very very close killing beefcake. Um.

1359
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: I set up. I set up, and this is this

1360
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: is kind of the cool part about doing your homework.

1361
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: And and I talked a lot with Mark Durry. I

1362
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: know you guys have interviewed Mark before talking market floor.

1363
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? Mark a good friend of mine. UM,

1364
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: and he's the one I go to for advice because

1365
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: I think he is the greatest deer hunter in the world.

1366
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: And and you know him or him or Leelakoski or whatever,

1367
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: both friends of mine, both um a hundred times better

1368
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: deer hunters than I will ever be. And so I

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01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: talked to more often when I'm stumped or when I

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01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: need some reassurance, and and and so I I ended

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01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: up kind of doing a Mark like set up. I

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: set up a stand on the south side of this

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: wood lot, and I thought, okay, if we have a

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01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: northwest wind, Um, beefcake. I've watched him here before, from

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: way up on the in the hills. I've watched him

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: skirt this edge, and I think he you know, this

1377
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: is all in my head. I think he's sent checking

1378
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: this whole betting area for doze. And then he does

1379
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: this big loop, crosses the river and goes around this

1380
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 1: whole big other loop and then and I'm I'm judging

1381
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: this off of my actual visual sightings from the hill,

1382
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: using my my binos and spawning scipe and also my

1383
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: trail cameras, right because then I'm like, okay, I lost

1384
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: sight of him here, and then I got a picture

1385
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: of him here at noon, you know, so I'm starting

1386
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: to put this stuff together. Well, he came down the

1387
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: trail just like the doctor ordered. Perfect. William Altman, my photographer,

1388
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: saw him first, and he's like, hey, Donnie, Beefcake is

1389
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: coming right here, perfect, just like we want. And he

1390
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: was already at like thirty yards when we first saw him,

1391
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: because he kind of has to come through this little

1392
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: s curve. So he just turned to me and said, hey,

1393
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 1: Beefcake right here, just you know, exactly like we wanted.

1394
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: And I grabbed my ball. Isn't isn't that even funny?

1395
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: My sentence structure there exactly how he wanted. It's so repecurous.

1396
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: And so I spin around and I worked myself around

1397
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: and he's coming. I range everything, the wind is perfect,

1398
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: and um, there must just have been a little swirl

1399
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: right when it's just like hunters sometimes I think, aren't

1400
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: wrapping their heads around this. But air is just like water,

1401
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: so it's very fluid, and so there's little eddies and

1402
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: little currents here and there. And so as much as

1403
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: we like to think we have our wind right at

1404
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: the base of our tree or in a little ravine um,

1405
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: it might not be perfect. And so he just came

1406
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: and that he needed to take thirteen more steps to

1407
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: be in my shooting. And he just stopped, stayed very

1408
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: still for five seconds, turned around in his tracks, had

1409
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: his tail talk between his legs, and he walked out

1410
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: of there with absolute purpose. And I loved hated watching

1411
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: him walk away, loved watching how he walked away. He

1412
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: just walked away angry. He was upset that something had

1413
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: disrupted his path. I could see his muscles are all

1414
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: flexed and as he walked away, this was really cool

1415
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: for me. He kept his one ear, he kept his

1416
01:19:55,400 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: left ear um facing like quartering backle for his body

1417
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: to catch anything that might be off his left side.

1418
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: He kept his right ear talked straight back to see

1419
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: if something was directly on his tail. So he was

1420
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: protecting his left side quarter and his straight back. And

1421
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: then as he walked and as he started to go

1422
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: through that es curve. He pulled his left ear in

1423
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: um and and quartered his right ear out to do

1424
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: just the opposite because he was going to be turning

1425
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: to that blind side. And and of course I didn't

1426
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: notice on the need of this sinceil I watched it

1427
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: frame by frame from the camera afterwards. But I was

1428
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: just breath taking to see him and and when he

1429
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: walked away, and you know, there's I didn't curse it

1430
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: or curse the experience with all. I just thought, you know,

1431
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: that son of a gun gets to be a deer

1432
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: for another day, and excuse me, and he gets to

1433
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: enjoy you know, he gets to enjoy the stars tonight,

1434
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: and and you know, he just gets to enjoy being

1435
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: him a little bit more. And and uh, you know,

1436
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: he got me. He he just had my number that day.

1437
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: So beyond that, after that, it just went downhill. It

1438
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: just I started getting This is embarrassing to admit, but

1439
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: I just started getting frustrated. And um, I literally would

1440
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: sit in Spot A. He showed up and stopped Spot B.

1441
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: I'd show up and I should spot be. He showed

1442
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: up Spot A. UM, so then I'd show up. I'd

1443
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: sit Spot B, like three days in a row, because

1444
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: I was like, he's toggling back and forth. So I'm

1445
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna fit Spot B three days in a row and

1446
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: he'll he'll make an appearance. And then um, and then

1447
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: he didn't show up at all anywhere, just completely disappeared.

1448
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: Obviously obviously got with a dough, right. So then I'm

1449
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: sitting over the only a couple of days left, and

1450
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he's gone. He's he's hunkered up with

1451
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: a little SUSI que guess today I'm gonna hunt Spot A.

1452
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: So I hunt Spot A. Showed up at Spot B

1453
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: out of the blue. So then the last day I'm like, oh,

1454
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt Spot BE. Showed up a spot when

1455
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: I came home. That's a mature buck, right, it's hard.

1456
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: He's seven, he's seven years old. Wow. They they they've

1457
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: got a way of avoiding the script. They definitely. And

1458
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: that's why we do it though, right, I mean that

1459
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: is why we do it. Yeah, I I could have

1460
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: shot everyone else other than this other deer that um

1461
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: William named Roger. Don't ask me why I named Roger.

1462
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: He just did one day and it's stuck and and

1463
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: uh and yeah, it's just is what it is you know,

1464
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: it just I could have shot every other deer there.

1465
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: And that's that's why I kind of thought like, if

1466
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: I didn't have a turtle camera, if I didn't spend

1467
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: so much time watching the deer, which I don't regret,

1468
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: I would always even if I got rid of all

1469
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: my turial cameras, um, I would still glass my face

1470
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: off because it's my absolute favorite thing to do it.

1471
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest with you, I use I use

1472
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: Reconics cameras when I can afford them. I have some

1473
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: other branded cameras also, but I buy Recall X when

1474
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: I can afford them and when I can pick up

1475
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: that little card. And I watched the video because I've

1476
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: been putting them on a video a lot. I see

1477
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: the video, it's just like, not only do you get information,

1478
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: you just get to see how they move, how they

1479
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: interact with each other, and are they bullying each other?

1480
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: You know? Is there a fight? Are they dogging a dough?

1481
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: You know? How are they going under this fence over

1482
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: this spence? I just I'm just I love it. I

1483
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: love watching them fascinating animals. So okay, so what scenario

1484
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: do you think you enjoy more? Would it be the

1485
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: scenario where you go to a brand new property and

1486
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: un you know nothing and it's just pure surprise and

1487
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: happenstance and you shoot something. UM or the scenario where

1488
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: you do know everything, You've managed it, you've scouted, you

1489
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: know what's out there, you have one deer in your mind.

1490
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because there's a certain level of

1491
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: unique amount of satisfaction that you can get out of

1492
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: either or UM. I don't even know what I'm enjoy

1493
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: more because I've done both now and there's something really

1494
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: cool and special about both different scenarios. Yeah, and I

1495
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: don't know whether in fact I'm leaving UM. I leave

1496
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: on Tuesday to go to Illinois for a week, and

1497
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a property that I know nothing about. I'm

1498
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: going there for a fundraiser to UH. Essentially, ten guys

1499
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: are going in to hunt this place, and a lot

1500
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: of the money, a lot of proceeds from us paying

1501
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:31,520
Speaker 1: the hunt there go to this group of special needs children. UM.

1502
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: And And so I know, talking about the property, I

1503
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: don't want to know anything about the property. Like the

1504
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: guy that runs the property has messaged me a couple

1505
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: of times, say oh, let me send you some trail photos,

1506
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: and I said, don't don't send me any trail photos.

1507
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't even care what's there. I'm just coming. There's

1508
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting with a camera. I'm just coming to hunt.

1509
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: And the first mature boss that walks past me is

1510
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: getting an arrow. And until that happens, or if it

1511
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: does happen at all, I'll just shoot my dough or does.

1512
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what's legal this year in Illinois, but

1513
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: I'll either shoot a mature dough or I'll shoot mature

1514
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: does until I get an opportunity at a five year

1515
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: old or plus older box. And if I don't, who cares?

1516
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: If I do super And the first one that comes

1517
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: by doing it, I don't care. If he's got pictures

1518
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: of a two double drop time kickers stickers, I don't care.

1519
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. The first big boy to

1520
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: watch past me is getting a narrow. Yeah, yeah, there's

1521
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: something kind of I don't know what. I honestly don't know.

1522
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I could I've done both, I don't.

1523
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there's there's something. Yeah,

1524
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: I don't know either. There's something cool about the idea

1525
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: of you just never knowing what might pop out, because

1526
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: I think a sense of mystery has been lost a

1527
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: little bit when we have these hypermanaged properties. Um, which

1528
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: is so cool. I mean, like we've been talking about,

1529
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: but there's a little bit of something that did you

1530
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: lose maybe a little bit. So I don't know. Um, Yes, yes,

1531
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: I was gonna, I was gonna kind of pivot a

1532
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. I was just curious, what do you

1533
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: think you learned from that two weeks stint in North

1534
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: Dakota and having those close encounters. Um, is there anything

1535
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: you do? And I think for a lot of us

1536
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: every year, at least for me, I kind of sit

1537
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: back and look at the season and say, what what

1538
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: big new thing did I can I take away from this?

1539
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: What did you take away from your from your two

1540
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: weeks there? Um, well this is obvious, but there is

1541
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: nothing that fools they're sent sense of smell, nothing, period,

1542
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: end of story. Nothing. There isn't a product, there isn't

1543
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: a machine, There isn't a spray, there isn't a wash,

1544
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 1: There isn't anything that can I've done it all, I've

1545
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: attempted it all. It's I don't believe in any of it.

1546
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: So UM that that in and of itself was yet

1547
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: another learning experience um to to have happened to me. Um.

1548
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a gadget guy at all, but I know, UM,

1549
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: I know, UM I've used Um have you guys ever

1550
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: used ozonics machines? Yep? And I've used osonics in the past,

1551
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: and UM, I know osonics does exactly what they say

1552
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: it does. And UM if you use osonics in a

1553
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: ground blind excuse me, UM, I think it is terribly effective. UM.

1554
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, we used a couple of units

1555
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 1: in the tree stand there this year for the first

1556
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: time ever, and when the wind was bad, the wind

1557
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: was bad just the way, it was like nothing saved us.

1558
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: And so I think I seem to continue to learn

1559
01:27:55,680 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: that exact same um circumstances, that you just can't beat

1560
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: their nose when when the wind is in their favor.

1561
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: And UM. So that's one Number two is even though

1562
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I've been on this property for four years, UM, I

1563
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: felt like I should have scouted This year. I poked

1564
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: around in new areas more than I ever have before,

1565
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: and I really wish I would have made it out

1566
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: to this property in the spring and scouted it just

1567
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more in finding out different travel corridors

1568
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: and different bedrooms, because I think I could have been

1569
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: a better deer hunter in the fall had I done

1570
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: my homework in the early spring before green up. And uh,

1571
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: and I just felt like I was a tiny bit

1572
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: out of position on a few things that I really

1573
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: feel like now having spent two weeks there, I could

1574
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: have dialed things in a little bit more on out

1575
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: I looked around a little bit more. But um, you know,

1576
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that's basically it. That's that's I still, I still and

1577
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: I relied too heavily. Um, this is the other thing

1578
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: that I learned in this. I don't just place every

1579
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: one or not, but I just learned again that I

1580
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: relied too heavily on cameras, you know what I mean,

1581
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: just just kind of like what we're talking about. I

1582
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: relied too much on that information and not just being present,

1583
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: and I ended up chasing my tail and then just

1584
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: rather than sitting back and looking at the conditions and

1585
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,919
Speaker 1: looking at what might be going on this present day,

1586
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: oftentimes I used old information and and thus was always

1587
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: just a little bit behind, whereas if I would have

1588
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: if I didn't have the old information and I would

1589
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: have sat back and just analyzed things face value. I

1590
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: just wonder if, if um, if I would have been

1591
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,480
Speaker 1: had another opportunity or would have had a different experience,

1592
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, you know, do you ever

1593
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: find yourself It sounds like maybe you do where you

1594
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 1: you find yourself in this internal battle between like a

1595
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: gut instinct and then like overthinking and like over analyzing

1596
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: the situation based on all the data. I find myself

1597
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: in a constant battle between like what all this a lot? Yeah? Yeah,

1598
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: it's a constant chess match. But sometimes they feel like

1599
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: we go too far. Yeah, and that's that's that's what

1600
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I wonder, I wonder if um, I

1601
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:41,440
Speaker 1: wonder if we just if it's just too much information,

1602
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: Like for instance, Mark jury genius deer hunter. What has

1603
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: made Mark a genius? Isn't that he goes out in

1604
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: the yard and grabs a handful of dirt on a

1605
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: September twelfth morning and tossed it in the air and said,

1606
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: you know it has this connection where he says, yes,

1607
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: hunt the acorn stand. I really feel like, you know, no,

1608
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: that's not it at all. The reason Mark is a

1609
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 1: fantastic deer hunter. And some people say, oh, it's because

1610
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: he has these great properties. No, it's not the reason

1611
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: he's a fantastic deer hunter is because he has taken

1612
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: data that he knows. He has used trail cameras, not

1613
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: in the manner that we're talking, but he has then

1614
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: since went back and looked at variables that are changing

1615
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: to cause such behavior, whether it be a dope, a

1616
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: young buck, or a mature buck. And in doing that,

1617
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: in organizing these findings, he's been able to see trends

1618
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: to where now I know, some people think, like, you know,

1619
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: he's he's able to kind of, you know, make make

1620
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: guesses or decisions on where a deer is going to

1621
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: move that are kind of almost hauntingly accurate. But all

1622
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: he's doing is he has a really great set of

1623
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 1: clean data, either in his office or in his brain

1624
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: probably vote where he extrapulates, um, the best laid plan

1625
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: over a huge amount of area, a huge amount of data. Rather,

1626
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, um. Whereas like, for instance, what I was

1627
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 1: doing in North Dakota, I was looking at a single

1628
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: data set. I was looking at Oh my god, Mark

1629
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: came down here this morning at nine am and got

1630
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 1: coffee I'm going to sit here and kill Mark tomorrow

1631
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: morning at nine am when he goes to get coffee.

1632
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: But but you only freaking get coffee on Wednesday, and

1633
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: it's day. It's not o'clock. Where's Mark, you know? And

1634
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: whereas where it's where's Mark? Jury has looked at these

1635
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: he he just has more data that he's extra extrapolated from.

1636
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's uh, that was the pitfall

1637
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: that I saw him to this year. That I just

1638
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: think that we second guess ourselves. We sit there and

1639
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: go stand a or stand or grown blind air b

1640
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: or or you know, even guys that, even guys that

1641
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: on stock Hunt, you know, I do a lot of

1642
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: spawn Stockholm, even those guys. You know, you get up

1643
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: in the morning you're looking for sheep. Oh do we

1644
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: go down drain and Jane already go down drainage B.

1645
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: Last year I saw a couple of good rams and

1646
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: drain and j But I've never even really looked down

1647
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: drain as B. Which one you want to go down tonight? Today? Uh? Uh?

1648
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: You know you start to you can talk to yourself

1649
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: into a circle. Yeah, that is the truth. The the

1650
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: analysis and the data and all that stuff. It's fascinating

1651
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: and I love it and I obsess over. But sometimes yeah,

1652
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: it can definitely get you chasing your tail too. I want,

1653
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: I wanna. I want to jump back to something you

1654
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: said a while ago, totally off topic here but didn't

1655
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: offend you. No, no, not at all. Um. You told

1656
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned that your buddy says that you read too

1657
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: many books and watch too many movies that maybe influenced

1658
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 1: why you approach hunting the way you do or something

1659
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 1: on those lines. What what kind of stuff do you read?

1660
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: What kind of stuff do you watch? Um? Lots of

1661
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: different stuff. I don't watch much. Um. I don't even

1662
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: really have TV at my house. I actually have actually

1663
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: have rabbit ears at my house TV. Um. Yeah, so, UM,

1664
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 1: I do take some time to watch football a little

1665
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: bit here and there. I do like football, but yeah,

1666
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 1: like I I don't have the Outdoor Channel of Sportsmans

1667
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: Channel and any of that stuff. I don't watch any hunting.

1668
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 1: Mark Drury sends me his films and I sit down

1669
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: and watch those and and uh so I watched that

1670
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 1: stuff in regard to hunting, but it's in regards to reading.

1671
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: Like right now, I'm reading two books I'm reading actually

1672
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: right here in my office, I'm rereading for probably the

1673
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth time. Uh, Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold.

1674
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: You guys, Yeah, I think. I I think literally all

1675
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 1: hunters should be required to read this book in hunter

1676
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: safety or do you know, I don't know. I don't

1677
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: know how you prove somebody read a book, take a test,

1678
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: write a book report. I don't know. But I think

1679
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: all hunters, fisherman, anyone that wants to spend their time

1680
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: outdoors and engage in in while there's a wildlife, I

1681
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 1: think need to read this book. Like I said, I

1682
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: read this thing constantly. It's I carry this book with

1683
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: me even on cheap hunts. That's that tells you how

1684
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: much I actually on that book. And I'm reading a

1685
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: book right now called wild Ones. Uh. And it says

1686
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: that sometimes this smaying weirdly reassuring story about looking at

1687
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: people looking at animals in America. More album. Maybe there's

1688
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: a poor bear on the cover. It's New York in

1689
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: New York Times one Notable Books, New York Times Book Review. Yea,

1690
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: So I'm reading this because, uh this I say so

1691
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: many things that I think hunters are going to take

1692
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: offense too but so I'm reading this. I had a

1693
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: conversation with a guy this year that wants me to go.

1694
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: He wants me he wants to book a polar bear

1695
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: hunt for me. He wants me to book a poor

1696
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: bear hunt through him. And I said, I, I don't

1697
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: know how I feel about or bear hunting. I said,

1698
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: I would love to go polver hunting. I would love

1699
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: to see a polar bear. I would love to see

1700
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: the wilderness that that polar bear calls home. I just

1701
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know much about what's going on with the polar bear.

1702
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: And he said, well, what do you mean, I said,

1703
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:29,440
Speaker 1: I I don't know. You'd hear from different news outlets

1704
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: that their habitat and their numbers could possibly threatened. He goes, oh,

1705
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: that's hogwashed. I said, well, very well, could be very

1706
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: well to be. And he said I went on a

1707
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 1: poorlar hunt last year and I saw eight bears. And

1708
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I was like it made me chuckle because I was like, Okay, great,

1709
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: he saw eight bears. Devil's advocate, what if you saw

1710
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 1: the only eight bears in five hundred thousand square a mile.

1711
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: I have no idea if you did or didn't. I'm

1712
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 1: just saying what if for some reason there was a

1713
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: sal and heat and you saw all eight bears that

1714
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: live in the entire area. Whatever. So I just said,

1715
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, all I said to him was, if you

1716
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: talk to hunters, there's tons of pollar bears. If you

1717
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: talk to biologists that are studying the polar bear, um,

1718
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: the data is inconclusive, I think probably right now. And

1719
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: if you talk to quote unquote environmentalists, the polar bear

1720
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: are incredibly threatened and we may see them extinct or extirpated,

1721
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: if you will, in our lifetime. And so I don't

1722
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: know if any of that is true. But I saw

1723
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: the pullar around the cover of this book. I was

1724
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: actually at Discovery Channel uh speaking to a group when

1725
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: I saw this uh in in Manhattan, New York, and

1726
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: I saw this book and I just thought, huh, that's

1727
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: quite interesting. So I thought that title that sometimes just

1728
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: being weirdly reassuring story about looking at people looking at

1729
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: animals in America taught my eye. So I just started

1730
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 1: reading it. So, um, those are the two things I'm

1731
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: reading right now, and and there's a host of other things.

1732
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: I also read a lot of older books too, from

1733
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, like Jack O'Connor and and those boys, because

1734
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: they it inspires me, like Fred Barrett just inspires me

1735
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: that these guys went out and hunted. You know, they're

1736
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: big expeditions. They went out not knowing really where they

1737
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: were going or what they want to accomplished. But they

1738
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: went out to seek adventure and to find the story,

1739
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,879
Speaker 1: and and and they came back to fantastic stories and memories,

1740
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and it's really inspiring to me. I wish I was

1741
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: born in a different era. I wasn't, but I think

1742
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: if I can still if I think, if I can

1743
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: still find a story worth telling, I think hopefully we

1744
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: tell it in such a manner that people will still

1745
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: want us to keep bringing them films. Yeah, I feel

1746
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,879
Speaker 1: the same way. I read a lot about the eighteen hundreds,

1747
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and I'm just fascinated with that time period and just

1748
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm always wondering what it would have been like to

1749
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: come over a hill and see a herd of a

1750
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: thousand buffalo, or to to be on the Great planes

1751
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: and to have Grizzly walking along a river bank, you

1752
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: know in Nebraska, um or all these different things like

1753
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: like you said, there's um I don't know, there's some

1754
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: fascinating things that have been running around and happening in

1755
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: this on this continent, and hopefully we as hunters can

1756
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: maybe contribute to to keeping some of these wild places

1757
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: and animals around longer for us to keep creating some

1758
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: of those stories. Yeah, and honestly, that's so that's kind

1759
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: of the appreciation, right Mark dance, Like what if this is?

1760
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: What if this is the wild West? Right now? What if?

1761
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: What if on your deathbed or your son's deathbed or

1762
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 1: daughter's death beds, what if you get to say, yeah,

1763
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: we used to get this. We used to pack our bags,

1764
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: a pack our bows on our guns, and we used

1765
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 1: to your grandpa and I. We used to hop on

1766
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: an airplane. We fly up to uh, you know, white

1767
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: Horse and the Yukon and from there we'd hop on

1768
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: a little float plane. We'd fly into a lake, we

1769
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,759
Speaker 1: climb up in the mountains and we'd hunt all sheet.

1770
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Like, what if this is the

1771
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 1: wild West for your children? What if this is really

1772
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: silly to think about, but what if your children are

1773
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: eating you know, can group meal replacement stuff, because literally

1774
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: we have eaten ourselves out of house and home and

1775
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: everything is a tarmac or everything is covered in concrete

1776
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: or tar, and really the wild places have have gone away?

1777
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: What if? You know? So that's you know, trying even

1778
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 1: though we're not in the eighteen hundreds right now, I'm

1779
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: the same as you. I I look at those days

1780
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: longingly or read about those days longingly. But you know

1781
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: what if right now is our wild West? Yeah, I

1782
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: hope not. I hope we can hold onto some of

1783
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: these places. But I know what you're saying, that stuff

1784
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: keep cranking out population, Yeah, sure do. I've been in

1785
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: a weird and I don't want to take us in

1786
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 1: a weird direction, but I've been in a weird kind

1787
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: of funk the last few weeks where like I just

1788
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: haven't been interested in writing about how to kill deer

1789
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: or talking about like tactics or you know, all the

1790
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: stuff that I usually do on this podcast on my

1791
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: website usually it's usually strategy focus and all that kind

1792
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: of stuff. I can't stop thinking, and I don't know,

1793
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: my mind is completely consumed with the future of this

1794
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: country and continent, and like the wild life and wild places,

1795
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: like I'm just becoming So I don't know if this

1796
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: stuff I love so much, I feel like there's so

1797
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: many forces against it. There's so many different people and

1798
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 1: things and just forces of civilization stuff that are just

1799
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: chipping away at it, chipping away, and it chipping away,

1800
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: and it has been for a long time, and it's

1801
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 1: just getting so much stronger every day. And I'm just

1802
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: like more and more feeling like I need I want

1803
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: to do something. I want to I just somehow want

1804
01:41:56,479 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm somehow keeping that from happening, contributing,

1805
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: and and uh, it's just it's all I can think about,

1806
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 1: all I can read about, It's all I can like.

1807
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I've just become more and

1808
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: more and I think I think many of us you

1809
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: just want to somehow give back to this thing that

1810
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: has given us so much. Um M, in the same way,

1811
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm the exact way, and I don't I don't even

1812
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: get I don't even get consumed with the tactics and

1813
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: the strategies, and I try not to anyway. I mean,

1814
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: obviously I do my very best to be successful, but

1815
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: um I'm much more want to engage in the experience

1816
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: and I'm much more want to be present in in

1817
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: in the wild places than than anything else. Yeah, what

1818
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 1: were younna say Dan, I just said, it's it's levels.

1819
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: It's just for me, like I have goals in the

1820
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 1: white tail woods, but for for turkey. Man, I've killed

1821
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: a hunt, I've killed fifty times turkeys, it feels like,

1822
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: and I don't even care if I kill another tom

1823
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: turkey in my life. But I do want to take

1824
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: my buddies out who have never hunted before and introduced

1825
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: them into hunting through turkeys. I want to. I want

1826
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: to introduce my kids to turkey hunting and get them.

1827
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: Last year was one of the best hunting seasons hunting

1828
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: turkey hunting seasons I've ever had. Where uh, the first

1829
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: day we got skunked. The second day I called in

1830
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: a bird for my wife. She killed one. The next

1831
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: morning I called in a bird for my stepdad and

1832
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: he killed one. I didn't even fill a tag, but

1833
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: it was it was so awesome to be there and

1834
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: to enjoy that with other people, where you know, that's

1835
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: the level that I'm on right now, and that's to

1836
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: try to, you know, be there for others, if that

1837
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. Definitely, Yeah, that's very rewarding. I do the

1838
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: exact same thing. I love it. In fact, like when

1839
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: I find a I have a hunting lease here in Wisconsin.

1840
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: I find a mature box. Um nine phront of the time.

1841
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: I started calling my buddies that have never arrowed a

1842
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: big mature box and trying my very best to put

1843
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: them on it because it's just I just absolutely love it.

1844
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: Love love seeing them shaking in their boots. Love, it's

1845
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: just incredible. I'm not quite there yet that I'm sending

1846
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: my buddies to shoot the mature bucks on my farm,

1847
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: but hopefully one day, one day I'll get Yeah, I know,

1848
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: I I hear you, but I I kind of keep this.

1849
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: I keep this property to myself. And actually I think

1850
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start filming on it next year because it's

1851
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and fifty three acres and it's just

1852
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 1: your average little farm or average little hunting least, and

1853
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 1: so I just kind of want to start filming on

1854
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,600
Speaker 1: it to see what kind of crazy cool stuff we

1855
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 1: can capture and then just you know, release some small

1856
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: shorts to show people like this is look within your backyard?

1857
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: Is that is that the farm that that Ben Harshin

1858
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 1: from HUNTERA was over helping you with some stuff on

1859
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: m Yeah, Ben, and I have done quite a bit

1860
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: of work on it and and that's going to continue

1861
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: this year and and um, we haven't had a chance

1862
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: to film on it deer hunting this year, but um,

1863
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 1: but you know, everything's just becoming more mature, and from

1864
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 1: the plants and the cuts that we've done and the

1865
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: deer themselves, everything is just kind of uh maturing, and

1866
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: so you know it'll be it'll be, it'll be right

1867
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: for the for the experience. When we finally get some

1868
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 1: time to spend out there, can you give us a

1869
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: really quick and then we're running that time here, but

1870
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 1: can you use a quick rundown of what you guys

1871
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: did this year to try to improve the habitat there. Yeah,

1872
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: so it is. It was um a twenty seven acre

1873
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: field in the middle of the property and it kind

1874
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 1: of has a big U shaped chunk of woods that

1875
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,560
Speaker 1: goes all the way around it. Um. All of the woods,

1876
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: aside from some pine trees, all of the woods are

1877
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: late stage secondary girl, so a lot of maples, a

1878
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 1: lot of poplars, a lot of things that are UM.

1879
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Twelve of the eight inches around with this big field

1880
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of that was that did go back

1881
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 1: into um rogue saw it if you will, But a

1882
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 1: farmer came in three years ago and turned it into

1883
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: road crops beans and corn, and so um I leased

1884
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 1: the hunting rights three years ago. This year I leased

1885
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 1: the full land rights and the hunting rights. So I

1886
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:29,639
Speaker 1: took that twenty seven acre field, planted like fifteen acres

1887
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:34,759
Speaker 1: of different species of warm season grasses, switch grasses, different

1888
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: um cultures and and varieties, and then planted uh some

1889
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: food uh for the dearest that they would have a

1890
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: late winter food source and um and something that could

1891
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: hopefully keep them from starving to death throughout January, recovery March.

1892
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: And then we actually went into the forest where some

1893
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: of these you know, just the trees were kind of

1894
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,600
Speaker 1: competing against each other, just choking each other out and

1895
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: keeping everything just a really small diameter. And really, uh,

1896
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 1: we just did some small cuts knock the trees down. Um,

1897
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 1: not so much a hinge cutting, but we did some

1898
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: hinge cutting, but more we just dropped everything to the ground,

1899
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 1: broke it up, and dragged it away so the fun

1900
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 1: I could get in there to create little pockets of

1901
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: true um succession, right, get get things like raspberries growing

1902
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: in there, and get things um smaller, younger trees growing

1903
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: in there and create these little thickets throughout these kind

1904
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: of monoculture or kind of um, you know, lifeless woods

1905
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 1: if you will. And and so that's that. That was

1906
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: this year. That was basically like Phase one. Nice. Yes,

1907
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: I think, um, did you guys do like a short

1908
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 1: video or maybe Bend did a short video about some

1909
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: of the stuff you guys are doing? And I think

1910
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 1: with Eric longs with you guys too, is that right? Yep? Yep?

1911
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: Eric Long from Drumming Long Wildlife Management. It's a friend

1912
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: of a friend of Bends and of course a friend

1913
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 1: of mine now and and so he's been coming out

1914
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: from Ohio and we've been doing the work as a trio.

1915
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: And it was really funny because last year I had

1916
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of bucks on the property, uh, two really

1917
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: nice six year old and several up and comers, and

1918
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 1: we did all this work this year and they are

1919
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: basically all gone. I don't know. It was just kind

1920
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: of funny because we're all giggling about it and I

1921
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: don't it doesn't consume me at all. I know, I

1922
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: surmise what's going on. You know, there's just a little

1923
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: lag or maybe a bunch of them got shot. I

1924
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know, but um, I actually just went out there

1925
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: yesterday and did some scouting around and found some really

1926
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: fantastic big buck signs, So I know there's some there's

1927
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 1: a couple of boys that are hanging out there that

1928
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know of yet, but but yeah, it was

1929
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 1: just funny how we did all this work, most work

1930
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: we've ever done, and it is the least amount of

1931
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 1: box I've ever seen. But I know there's there's some

1932
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: lag there, and I know as we create it, you know,

1933
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 1: they'll really start to flourish there. Yeah, that that is

1934
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 1: a really cool thing, Like you mentioned um a little earlier,

1935
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,200
Speaker 1: being able to improve the habitat and give back to

1936
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 1: a place like that and then see the impact it makes.

1937
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 1: See the deer using that cover and using that food

1938
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: and that that's pretty cool. It's very cool to see.

1939
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: And you know it's cool. I told Eric, I said, man,

1940
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 1: I've been on this property for three years now. I've

1941
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: never seen a snake ever. I've never seen a turtle

1942
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: cross in the field, seen very few frogs, never seen

1943
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: a snake. I said, I want to see these things

1944
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: when I'm coming out to spend time here at a hunt,

1945
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: and so I sent him several videos this year. I

1946
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 1: saw several snakes this year, um, and I would I

1947
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 1: would send him some videos of them in my hand

1948
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then, um, I never really had seen

1949
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: any rough grouse out there before, And now when I

1950
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: go out there, almost every time I'm flushing four or

1951
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: five rough grouse in the woods or on the or

1952
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 1: on the field edge. And and yeah, it's just I'm

1953
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,640
Speaker 1: just starting to see some different species of birds utilizing

1954
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 1: some of the grains that I planted for the deer.

1955
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 1: And so it's cool. It's gonna be really cool to

1956
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 1: see the thing kind of perpetuate away from a sterile

1957
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: farm field to actually having grasses um and and food

1958
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: being available in them. So yeah, that's awesome, very cool

1959
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: to see. Well, that's that's where it's got to start,

1960
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 1: one step at a time. Well, we've used up a

1961
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: lot of your time, Donnie, Um, so I guess we

1962
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: should probably wrap it up. But Dan, do you have

1963
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: any final thoughts or anything you want to wrap things

1964
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 1: up with on your end? No, man, Hey, thanks for

1965
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: coming on. I appreciate the conversation. It's always nice talking

1966
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 1: to someone who who loves adventure. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate

1967
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 1: you guys, I really do. I really appreciate taking the

1968
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: time to reach out to me and and UH and

1969
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 1: have the conversation and and U and I appreciate the openness.

1970
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: I know I have some different views or extreme views

1971
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 1: of how we're doing things, so I appreciate the openness

1972
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 1: and the candidness. Yeah. Yeah, of course we I think

1973
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: we see things very similarly. So it's nice to have

1974
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: someone to speak to about some of these things that

1975
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of you know, gets gets some of the interesting

1976
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 1: things made from where we're coming from too. But I

1977
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 1: guess that said, Donny, is there anything that you want

1978
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 1: to end on any final thoughts on any of these

1979
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 1: things we've we've been chatting about that you want to

1980
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: leave with our with our listeners to kind of wrap

1981
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 1: things up. No, I just appreciate I'm taking the time

1982
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: to listen to it, and and if they have any questions,

1983
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 1: reach out to me, and and I'm very much looking

1984
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 1: forward to releasing our next film. It's going to be

1985
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: here shortly. And Uh, I think people really really dig it,

1986
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: so definitely keep an eye out for it. Yeah, So,

1987
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 1: where can people go right now to pick up a

1988
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 1: copy of your past films or learn more Donny Vincent

1989
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: dot com or search Donny Vincon on Facebook, Instagram, things

1990
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: like that perfect. We'll make sure to link to all

1991
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: that and um and I definitely recommend if anyone listening

1992
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: right now if you haven't seen any of his work,

1993
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 1: The Rivers Divide, Terra Nova, who we are, any of

1994
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, you really need to go check

1995
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: it out. Donnie, You're doing great work, and uh and

1996
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 1: keep it up. Appreciate it, guys, thank you so much,

1997
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 1: thank you, and that will do it for us today.

1998
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,839
Speaker 1: But before we go, a couple of quick things. First,

1999
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 1: if you haven't yet left a rating or review of

2000
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: this podcast on iTunes, if you could just take a

2001
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: minute to do that, it would be hugely, hugely helpful.

2002
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: You just go over to iTunes, you choose how many

2003
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 1: stars you'd rate us, leave a couple honest thoughts on

2004
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 1: what you think, and I take a look at those

2005
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and I really take that stuff to heart. So thank

2006
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: you in advance for letting us know what you think. Secondly,

2007
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: I want to throw back to something that Donnie mentioned

2008
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: earlier in our interview and encourage you all to pick

2009
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 1: up a copy of the Sand County Almanac. This is

2010
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: just a tremendous book. It's one of really the cornerstones

2011
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 1: of of what we do as hunters and conservationists, and

2012
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I think it's one that all of us hunters should

2013
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: be reading. So check out the Sand County Almanac. And finally,

2014
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 1: we need to thank our partners who helped keep this

2015
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2016
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2017
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2018
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: And of course thank you all for listening today. I

2019
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed our conversation with Donnie, and I hope

2020
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 1: you'll stay wired to hunt