Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, November the eighth, and
Speaker 1: what do a Harvard professor, survivors of sex abuse, and
Speaker 1: members of Congress all have in common? Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: welcome everybody to this episode of Amy and TJ. What
Speaker 1: a day we saw in DC. Robes. It is amazing.
Speaker 1: This man has been dead for five plus years and
Speaker 1: continues to have an impact in this country on our politics,
Speaker 1: on our policy, and nr on our headlines. But the
Speaker 1: headline today is the biggest one, no doubt, Robes. Congress.
Speaker 1: The House representative just said, okay, release the files.
Speaker 2: And there has been a dramatic change in just a
Speaker 2: matter of hours because.
Speaker 3: The President changed his tunes, and.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, we see all the Republicans changing
Speaker 2: their tunes because it did take a few rogue, brave
Speaker 2: Republicans to break rank and vote with the Democrats for
Speaker 2: them to realize, hey, we might lose this thing. And
Speaker 2: so look, the President, if nothing else, is a realist.
Speaker 2: He saw the numbers, he saw where things were headed,
Speaker 2: and he decided to be on the winning side of things.
Speaker 1: As we call it writing on the wall, we call
Speaker 1: it that right. Yes, the back and forth for months
Speaker 1: not wanting to release the files. And to think the
Speaker 1: vote was not close, It wasn't competitive, Robes, this was
Speaker 1: almost everybody in Congress, after all this voted to say
Speaker 1: yes to releasing the files. After all, this what we're
Speaker 1: fighting about for the past severe exactly.
Speaker 3: And so then you asked, Robes, why would anyone not.
Speaker 1: Want to run to the files?
Speaker 2: Okay, we understand initially the president said it was to
Speaker 2: protect the victims, and yet they were the first people
Speaker 2: to say, oh, that victim that you guys are pointing, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was Virginia ju freh.
Speaker 3: So they actually outed one of the.
Speaker 2: Redacted names almost immediately from some of the released emails.
Speaker 2: And at that point, honestly, when you've got the victims themselves,
Speaker 2: when you've got the women whose names were redacted or
Speaker 2: whose names weren't included because they were underage, standing there
Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill, while this vote is about to happen,
Speaker 2: saying release the files, and the only argument is on
Speaker 2: behalf of the victim's identities, you gott a pr problem
Speaker 2: because if the victims who you're claiming that you want
Speaker 2: to protect are saying that they want you to release
Speaker 2: the files, that's a tough argument to continue.
Speaker 1: And that's what they were dealing with today, folks in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: So it was another Epstein day in large parts. So
Speaker 1: your headlines today is that, yes, the House voted to
Speaker 1: release all Epstein files. You have a big time Democrat
Speaker 1: saying that he is ashamed of his relationship with Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein and saying he is going to step back from
Speaker 1: his public roles. This is the former Harvard President Larry Summers.
Speaker 1: And of course, as you heard Robot just mentioning there,
Speaker 1: you had a press conference with the survivors. Let's start
Speaker 1: what we saw late today ropes the back and forth
Speaker 1: over months, the White House, the President has been fighting,
Speaker 1: fighting to keep a vote from taking place for all
Speaker 1: these Epstein files to be released. But sure enough they
Speaker 1: forced the hand. They didn't have a choice. Let's be
Speaker 1: clear today, the White House and the Speaker of the
Speaker 1: House of Representative did not have a choice. They had
Speaker 1: the votes at least the what they call it a
Speaker 1: discharged position petition. We've learned a lot about how the
Speaker 1: House of Representatives works.
Speaker 2: Yes, when your only argument is that you're protecting the
Speaker 2: very people who are claiming they want you to release it,
Speaker 2: it's hard to continue with that line of arguments. So yes,
Speaker 2: the vote ended up being four hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 2: to one.
Speaker 3: What was the point of what to release all the
Speaker 3: Epstein files?
Speaker 1: What are we fighting about for the past several months?
Speaker 1: Then if everybody overwhelmingly now yeple's that was unanimous, damn near.
Speaker 1: There was one guy.
Speaker 3: Public political pressure from the victims themselves saying please, and
Speaker 3: they have been saying this for months now, but it
Speaker 3: was especially effective today for them to be on Capitol
Speaker 3: Hill saying please release these files.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear here, this was, as we said, the
Speaker 1: Democrats had enough votes. They had enough votes to force
Speaker 1: a vote. They did not have to leave it up
Speaker 1: to Speaker Johnson, but they had enough votes to force
Speaker 1: a vote. And that's why we are where we are today.
Speaker 1: This was not the President or Speaker Johnson saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, out the goodness of our hearts, public pressure, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they had no choice. There were enough votes to force
Speaker 1: this vote. So sure, now, as you said, Ropes, the
Speaker 1: President got on board with this just in the past
Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight hours, correct saying sure, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I don't care. And also as a part and added
Speaker 1: bonus to this. He tried to flip the script and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is bad for Democrats, not Republicans. Knock yourselves out,
Speaker 1: release this stuff.
Speaker 2: Let's look at Bill Clinton, Let's look at Larry Summers,
Speaker 2: let's look at JP Morgan, Chase.
Speaker 3: He starts throwing every other name out there.
Speaker 2: My hunch is that perhaps maybe some of the worst
Speaker 2: emails that he thought were going to be the most
Speaker 2: damaging or damning emails got released in this House committee.
Speaker 2: They were able to get some of these emails twenty
Speaker 2: thousand plus emails from Jeffrey Epstein from that estate and
Speaker 2: release them, trickle them out like day after day. So
Speaker 2: he has been enduring day after day after day of
Speaker 2: new headlines, new emails, can connections and ties between him
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: He's kind of suffered through the worst of it.
Speaker 2: So at this point I maybe can understand he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's just release them all because the
Speaker 2: worst of the worst perhaps has already been released on him.
Speaker 3: Maybe what he was fearing the most has already been released.
Speaker 1: There's that possibility as well, that possibility, but I mean,
Speaker 1: truth of the matter, the man didn't have he had
Speaker 1: no choice, there's nothing to do. So he is on board,
Speaker 1: said he's going to sign this thing. So that freed
Speaker 1: up a lot of people to say they don't feel
Speaker 1: necessarily chained restricted in voting for it, because the President
Speaker 1: himself has said he's on fort So sure enough, they
Speaker 1: did this, Robes. I'm looking at this as we are
Speaker 1: sitting here. As of this recording, the Senate has now
Speaker 1: moved forward with releasing these files. The Senate. Now, this
Speaker 1: was a hold up. We didn't know as we started
Speaker 1: this record, folks, we didn't know what the Senate was
Speaker 1: going to do. This bill has now been sent to
Speaker 1: the Senate Robes, and there was a question of whether
Speaker 1: or not they would take it up, when they would
Speaker 1: take it up, and if they would change it at all.
Speaker 2: A lot of folks thought that this could happen immediately,
Speaker 2: and I do think here is Look, this is such
Speaker 2: a headline and such this is the empowerment of the
Speaker 2: American public. When lawmakers, the president, congressmen and women realize
Speaker 2: that public sentiment is squarely on one side of the fence,
Speaker 2: they will come to us.
Speaker 3: They will meet us where we are.
Speaker 2: They don't want to be on the wrong side of
Speaker 2: things when it comes to reelection, etc. So it's very
Speaker 2: clear now to all lawmakers in the House, and now
Speaker 2: it appears in the Senate that you don't want to
Speaker 2: be on the wrong side of this one. You don't
Speaker 2: want to be on the side of let's not release
Speaker 2: information to the American public.
Speaker 3: That clears up all of this mystery that has.
Speaker 2: Been surrounding this man and these victims for decades now cleared.
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't be on the side of transparency. That is
Speaker 2: hard to justify with American sentiment, where it is not
Speaker 2: shocking that the Senate is saying, let's go ahead and
Speaker 2: streamline this.
Speaker 1: So, yes, folks, as of this recording, this is happening
Speaker 1: as we are speaking. But the Senate has unanimously voted,
Speaker 1: they've given unanimous consent now to move that bill ahead
Speaker 1: when they receive it. So the only hold up right now,
Speaker 1: Robes is just them getting the thing they've already voted to.
Speaker 1: When we receive it, We're gonna go ahead to prove
Speaker 1: this thing. It could be on President Trump's desk tonight, signed, sealed, delivered,
Speaker 1: and before the day is out, we have got a bill,
Speaker 1: a law that is now saying the Epstein files must
Speaker 1: be released by the DJ and robes this has Is
Speaker 1: this gonna satisfy everybody? Finally?
Speaker 3: I think it will.
Speaker 2: You think I will know as long as we actually
Speaker 2: get all of the files.
Speaker 3: Yes, because that's always been the case. There's always be all.
Speaker 3: I know, we just got twenty thousand emails we didn't
Speaker 3: even know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know existing that was from the estate, but
Speaker 2: didn't know that that was even on the table.
Speaker 3: What else is out there?
Speaker 2: So now if we now have an order to have
Speaker 2: everything released, what else is there? Once you have everything
Speaker 2: out in the open, there is nothing else. So I
Speaker 2: do think this will put conspiracy theory theorists either they'll either.
Speaker 3: Be proven right or it'll be put to bed.
Speaker 2: But it is nice to at least have the information
Speaker 2: that we've all been seeking for all these years, and
Speaker 2: for some of these victims decades trying to get out
Speaker 2: in the open, trying to get people to give a
Speaker 2: shit about. And so the cool thing is people care now,
Speaker 2: and now when you've got American public sentiment, they want
Speaker 2: to know. Now, the pressure is on lawmakers, and wow,
Speaker 2: turns out when there is pressure, they actually can act,
Speaker 2: and they can actually act unanimously.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna give it. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: give them too much credit. This is literally Grivalda representative,
Speaker 1: Grivalda from Arizona. They delayed and delayed and delayed swearing
Speaker 1: her in that gave and put over the top a
Speaker 1: number of votes to where they were. Their hand was forced.
Speaker 1: This wasn't even a matter that much of I just
Speaker 1: I hate I get it, but they did. They had
Speaker 1: they were forced to because of the number of votes.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. And they've come around now. That's fine.
Speaker 1: And Dan the president has done it. He's come around now,
Speaker 1: and he's trying a new tact. Let me try this now.
Speaker 1: He is trying to turn Epstein into a Democrats problem.
Speaker 2: Even he is the one who is named in the
Speaker 2: majority of these emails, and it isn't good for him.
Speaker 3: The emails that we've seen are horrific. Why is not
Speaker 3: not even being discussed?
Speaker 1: Well, it is, obviously, but he has not been accused
Speaker 1: of anything criminal, no it related to Epstein. It just
Speaker 1: all looks bad, it looks funky. Why not just get
Speaker 1: this stuff out there? A lot of it's going to
Speaker 1: be embarrassing. I am sure, and I think no one
Speaker 1: can attest to that more than Larry Summers. Stay here, folks,
Speaker 1: will tell you what the former Harvard president, current Harvard
Speaker 1: tenured professor, and former Obama and Clinton administration officials says
Speaker 1: now about his relationship with Epstein. What he's going to
Speaker 1: do now now that so many emails have come out
Speaker 1: about his relationship between him and Epstein. Also coming up,
Speaker 1: we told you the vote was for what twenty seven
Speaker 1: to one? Is that right, Ropes? It's correct, four hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty seven to one in the House of Representatives
Speaker 1: to release the files. Who was the one? He was
Speaker 1: a dude from Louisiana and he is standing by that vote.
Speaker 1: We'll let you hear his statements. Stay here, all right, folks,
Speaker 1: Welcome back. We continue here. Four twenty seven to one. Robes.
Speaker 1: They voted, and it's got to be tough and lonely
Speaker 1: to be that one guy, right four hunch. Overwhelmingly, you'll
Speaker 1: never see a vote like this, right on something so consequential.
Speaker 2: I have never seen a vote like this with these
Speaker 2: many eyes on this vote, so many people are looking
Speaker 2: to see who voted what way and to be lone
Speaker 2: the lone congressman who voted no when everyone else voted yes.
Speaker 2: And the vote is for transparency. The vote is for
Speaker 2: the release of documents. The vote is for folks to
Speaker 2: understand what we're actually dealing with when it comes to
Speaker 2: the epstecize, would you possibly justify a no vote when
Speaker 2: the President of the United States, who potentially has the
Speaker 2: most to lose, yes out of anybody even him, go
Speaker 2: ahead release the file?
Speaker 1: He said? Transparency, isn't it? Cole? That is the official
Speaker 1: name of the bill is the Jeffrey Epstein Transparency Yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, so well named okay so?
Speaker 1: Who is drum roll please? Who stood by his guns?
Speaker 1: And no matter what, was not going to vote for
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Roges Representative Clay Higgins, who a Republican from Louisiana. All right,
Speaker 2: he said, I have been principled no on this bill
Speaker 2: from the beginning. What was wrong with the bill three
Speaker 2: months ago is still wrong today. It abandons two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years of criminal justice procedure in America. As written,
Speaker 2: this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people, witnesses,
Speaker 2: people who provided alibis, family members, et cetera. If enacted
Speaker 2: in its current form, this type of broad reveal of
Speaker 2: criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely
Speaker 2: result in innocent people being hurt.
Speaker 3: Not by my vote.
Speaker 1: Okay, to stop saying, we're going to read the rest
Speaker 1: of it here as well. Do you buy that so far?
Speaker 1: How can four hundred and twenty seven people not see
Speaker 1: what he sees? Right? Is he the only because if
Speaker 1: you take him at his word, we'd all go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, no, of course we shouldn't do We shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing that. So how is it? Is he standing
Speaker 1: by his guns? He's trying to make a point? Is
Speaker 1: he trying to get attention?
Speaker 2: I think all of the three things you just said.
Speaker 2: My counter to what he just said and wrote as
Speaker 2: to his reasoning behind voting no is bs. Because when
Speaker 2: you have the victims themselves, the women who take claims
Speaker 2: to be protecting, standing there on Capitol Hill begging lawmakers,
Speaker 2: begging the president to release the files, I call bs.
Speaker 3: You can't possibly know what they know.
Speaker 2: And for you to act like you know what's best
Speaker 2: for them is condescending and for me, it doesn't It
Speaker 2: doesn't work.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Wait, we still will take him at his
Speaker 1: word as this being a principled one. But to your point,
Speaker 1: and that you made me think of our stands when
Speaker 1: it comes to the death penalty. If the victims family
Speaker 1: doesn't want the person to be put to death, we
Speaker 1: should listen to that person. This is kind of feels
Speaker 1: like that to me. To your point, isn't that what
Speaker 1: you're saying?
Speaker 2: No better, I know what's best for you. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: you know what's best for you. That's the only way
Speaker 2: I can take this, because we've heard directly from the
Speaker 2: women who were the victims in this situation. And so
Speaker 2: for him to say he doesn't want the information released
Speaker 2: to the American public on behalf of the victims who
Speaker 2: are asking for the information to be released, I call bs.
Speaker 1: On that, Okay. So he continues on saying the Oversight
Speaker 1: Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released
Speaker 1: well over sixty thousand paties of documents from the Epstein case.
Speaker 1: That effort will continue in a manner that provides all
Speaker 1: due protections for innocent Americans. If the Senate amends the
Speaker 1: bill to properly address privacy of victims and other Americans
Speaker 1: who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will
Speaker 1: vote for that bill when it comes back to the House.
Speaker 1: He does robes. I will say make a point because
Speaker 1: even if the Senate votes and accepts the House built
Speaker 1: and say, hey, everybody, the President signed a bill to
Speaker 1: release all the fire, there might be a while for
Speaker 1: law enforcement, you know, FBI and others to go through
Speaker 1: this and make sure no in current investigation is being hurt,
Speaker 1: to make sure no victims' names or innocent witnesses or
Speaker 1: their names are out there. So this could take a while,
Speaker 1: which now a public who is waiting for the files.
Speaker 1: It's been approved that the files could go out, and
Speaker 1: now we still got further weight.
Speaker 3: But is that enough to vote no?
Speaker 1: His argument is that he doesn't think it has proper
Speaker 1: enough protections in the bill for.
Speaker 3: The very people who are asking for it to be released.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there are some out there, aren't there
Speaker 1: a witness, his his thing, people who have provided alibis, witnesses,
Speaker 1: family members, those things need to be redacted. I would
Speaker 1: assume they would be. But he's saying it doesn't have
Speaker 1: proper protections. He's the only one. I don't all of
Speaker 1: them doesn't think.
Speaker 2: What's his motivation? I'm actually curious and fascinating.
Speaker 1: What if it's sincere, and I know it's very lonely
Speaker 1: to be the person who might be screaming and yelling
Speaker 1: about something that nobody everybody else seems right. Maybe he
Speaker 1: has a point, I don't know. I actually don't.
Speaker 2: You are a contrarian, so I can see you siding
Speaker 2: with and feeling some sort of camaraderie with the contrallrier.
Speaker 1: I am not suggesting contrarian at but he is though
Speaker 1: in this case. But I am saying, I know what
Speaker 1: it feels like to be a lonely person when you
Speaker 1: might be right and everybody else thinks they are because
Speaker 1: they're on the same page. I am not. So I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to lend or offer this man, Representative Higgins,
Speaker 1: a little opportunity and a little grace for the possibility
Speaker 1: that he is standing by what he truly believes and
Speaker 1: that his motivations are just such rare.
Speaker 2: And I think that would be admirable if that were
Speaker 2: in fact the case, because obviously he knows it's not
Speaker 2: actually going to move the needle, is not actually going
Speaker 2: to change things, but he wants to be on the
Speaker 2: record for whatever it is he believed. So yes, if
Speaker 2: you are correct, that would be amazing. Forgive me if
Speaker 2: I am slightly cynical when it comes to members of Congress.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not me. I have faith in our system. Now.
Speaker 1: The other point we had was on this. It was
Speaker 1: a big Epstein day, the Epstein surviris, as you mentioned
Speaker 1: several of them. That's always powerful, Is it not to
Speaker 1: have a woman standing there in her I guess they're
Speaker 1: an forties and fifties at this point, are they not?
Speaker 1: But to be standing there with pictures. They were holding
Speaker 1: up pictures of themselves as teenagers and saying, this is
Speaker 1: how old I was when I was abused by this man.
Speaker 1: That's powerful stuff.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I think that is such an important thing for all
Speaker 2: of us to remember. We see these women and they
Speaker 2: are women now, but when this was happening to them
Speaker 2: decades ago, they were teenagers.
Speaker 3: And that You look at women's stories and what they've
Speaker 3: been through very.
Speaker 2: Differently based on how old they are, what the experience
Speaker 2: is that they've had. And these were women who were
Speaker 2: underage and clearly not in a position to be to
Speaker 2: be put in the position of transaction sex transactions. These
Speaker 2: were vulnerable women. They told their stories. A lot of
Speaker 2: these women were not in positions of power or education,
Speaker 2: or had strong family ties, or they didn't have the
Speaker 2: resources that they may seem to have now as grown women,
Speaker 2: and so yes, it's important to remember them.
Speaker 3: Where they were, who they were, what they looked like
Speaker 3: when these atrocities were happenings.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't children is a name. We don't
Speaker 1: assign enough to teen girls.
Speaker 3: They're little there, they are children. Even my nineteen year
Speaker 3: old Anil's is a child.
Speaker 1: Children. I think that. I think the thing with the
Speaker 1: pictures today was very It was effective, powerful and impactful.
Speaker 1: The other big headline today with Epstein is a name
Speaker 1: I don't think. Maybe it sounds familiar to some people,
Speaker 1: but Larry Summers has been in democratic circles and at
Speaker 1: the highest point of governance for decades in this country
Speaker 1: and including as a Harvard professor. But Roes I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize. I was familiar with stories and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: this former Harvard president and current tenured Harvard professor, this
Speaker 1: latest batch of emails wrote show some interactions between him
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein that don't show anything criminal, don't show
Speaker 1: anything suggesting criminality and anything in that relationship. But god damn,
Speaker 1: this was all after Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender,
Speaker 1: and they were as chummy and broie as it gets.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm gonna say this, they guess they were
Speaker 2: chummy and broe but it was look yes, after the
Speaker 2: fact that he was a convicted.
Speaker 3: Pedophile.
Speaker 2: Yes, and for several years leading up to just the
Speaker 2: few months before Jeffrey Epstein was arrested once again and
Speaker 2: then soon thereafter died by suicide. So but the gross
Speaker 2: thing about it was here's a Harvard tenured professor with
Speaker 2: tremendous power and sway and is talking to Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: about how to woo women.
Speaker 3: That was what was so gross about it.
Speaker 2: He was leaning on Jeffrey Epstein, a known convicted pedophile,
Speaker 2: and getting tips from him on how to converse with
Speaker 2: and send text messages to women outside of his marriage
Speaker 2: to basically get them, like to string them along or
Speaker 2: to keep them going.
Speaker 3: It was gross. And the idea that you would.
Speaker 2: Be sending your child to Harvard to learn under this
Speaker 2: man's tutelage, who, yes, might be a remarkably gifted, intelligent economist.
Speaker 2: Clearly you don't want your daughter in his classroom.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 2: When you read and see these exchanges. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 2: just me as a mom speaking. I don't want my
Speaker 2: daughter in his class.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would take necessarily issue with what
Speaker 1: you're saying once you see the emails, and we want
Speaker 1: to be clear, he folks, the emails are not suggesting anything.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. He is not at all
Speaker 1: being accused of anything criminally and not being accused of
Speaker 1: right robes being involved in going to the island and
Speaker 1: with the massages and the teenagers, he is not involved
Speaker 1: to connected.
Speaker 2: Well, well, he's being what the problem is he's being
Speaker 2: implicated is ignoring all of that. They're ignoring all of
Speaker 2: what was known and still relying on him as.
Speaker 3: A friend and a mentor to help him woo women.
Speaker 3: I think that's the issue. He didn't even consider.
Speaker 2: It seems in these emails and text exchange that what
Speaker 2: he was convicted of and what he was accused of,
Speaker 2: it didn't bother him at all to be personally and
Speaker 2: intimately connected with the man who was guiding him in
Speaker 2: extramarital potential relationships.
Speaker 1: And what you're saying there is I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the back and forth. You might be okay, fine,
Speaker 1: a couple of guys doing that. I don't think everybody
Speaker 1: would scratched a head or think that necessarily much of it.
Speaker 1: But the emails in the back and forth were talking
Speaker 1: about and robes. You said it, right, this went up
Speaker 1: how many like how close before hisst months Within months,
Speaker 1: Larry Summers was still emailing and exchanging messages.
Speaker 2: In the spring of twenty nineteen, they were still oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: emailing each other back and forth about his this is
Speaker 2: Larry Summers girl he was trying to go after and get.
Speaker 2: That was literally within months of Jeffrey Epstein actually dying
Speaker 2: by suicide in his jail cell.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going I'm just to give a quick
Speaker 1: idea here of what we're talking about again, folks. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein at one point in twenty eighteen wrote to Larry Summers,
Speaker 1: She's doomed to be with you again. They're back and
Speaker 1: forth talking about a woman another professor from what we
Speaker 1: understand at Harvard, that Larry Summers was sweet on and
Speaker 1: was trying to pursue. But he was a mentor too.
Speaker 1: Is that all right? Yes, okay, Larry Summers responds, Think
Speaker 1: for now, I'm going nowhere with her except economics mentor
Speaker 1: I think I'm right now in the scene very warmly
Speaker 1: in rear view mirror category. Again not none of this
Speaker 1: suggests anything necessarily he's the worst guy in the world,
Speaker 1: but it gives us some insight into the relationship he
Speaker 1: had with Jeffrey Epstein. At another point, Larry Summers writes
Speaker 1: to him, to Jeffrey Epstein game day at conference. He
Speaker 1: was apparently at some event. She was extremely good, smart,
Speaker 1: assertive and clear gorgeous. I'm fucked he was. Again. Several
Speaker 1: of these and little back and force robes that show
Speaker 1: that he was so close and chummy with the guy,
Speaker 1: and the email exchanges I just read, We're in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty nineteen. There are a bunch more. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not suggesting that any of these or smoking
Speaker 1: gun type stuff related to what Jeffrey Epstein did. But
Speaker 1: the reason Larry Summers robes has now come out and
Speaker 1: said I'm stepping back from my public roles is that
Speaker 1: these are embarrassing. They're devastating. They knew, we've known for
Speaker 1: years he had a close relationship, but to see that
Speaker 1: it was so close, even after a conviction for.
Speaker 3: Sex, Yes, that he.
Speaker 2: Was relying on Jeffrey Epstein to help guide him in
Speaker 2: pursuing women outside of his marriage, knowing what he knew
Speaker 2: about him, knowing what the world knew about him, and
Speaker 2: still given his role at Harvard within the Democrat community,
Speaker 2: that he was still so chummy that actually Epstein referred
Speaker 2: to himself as Larry Summer's wingman.
Speaker 3: That is not what you want to get out. And
Speaker 3: that's certainly what has been revealed this week.
Speaker 1: And that's why Summers stepping back now, but again wrote,
Speaker 1: every single day, every single day, a guy has been
Speaker 1: dead for six years. Yes, now almost is making headlines.
Speaker 1: It's still changing lives, it's still bringing people down, it's
Speaker 1: still number one in polity. Is still so much of
Speaker 1: this may I have? This is incredible how much he touched.
Speaker 2: My mom used to always tell me who you're friends
Speaker 2: with matters, Who you hang out with, matters, Who you're
Speaker 2: seen going out and doing whatever with matters.
Speaker 3: This is exhibit A. It matters.
Speaker 2: Even if you didn't commit a crime, even if you
Speaker 2: didn't do anything technically wrong, just being associated with someone
Speaker 2: who did matters. And this is what we're seeing unfold
Speaker 2: right now. And transparency is everything. And it looks like
Speaker 2: we are actually I'm shocked. I am shocked. We are
Speaker 2: actually potentially going to actually know what is in the
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein files in a matter of days or weeks,
Speaker 2: depending on what it takes to but they need to
Speaker 2: redact to protect the privacy of whomever they need to protect.
Speaker 2: But we are likely now going to see what we
Speaker 2: have been waiting to see now for a very long.
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