1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 4: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 4: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: they don't want you to know. Dylan, let's get a 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 4: quick record. Scratch nice maybe, hall elujah cool. Okay, that's 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 4: the last sound que we'll ask for. This is part 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 4: two of a two part series on something called the 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 4: Third Man Syndrome or the Third Man Factor. If you 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: have not listened to part one, please please please pause this. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 4: We'll still be friends, we promise, and check out part 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: one because guys, we went to some weird places. 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 5: Boy did we ever? 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah? 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: And guys, in the in between these two episodes, I've 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: mentioned just off air that I was reading that book 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: The Nameless, and I didn't realize that a big part 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: of that book is about the Enochian language that we 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: covered in Do Angels have a Language? 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 5: That's the one. 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminded me of this episode. 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Nameless is a wholesome, rollicking read fun for the 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 4: entire FAU. 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 5: Don't do it. Do not Christmas, gift this to your child. 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: The first to forget Judy Bloom. This is what your 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 4: kid needs to be read. 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you there, malk Yeah, it's uh. 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: It's written by one of our favorite graphic novel authors, 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: Grim Morrison. That Ben, you got me into with the 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: Invisibles when I was just a wee kid, so thank 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: you for that. 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: But it really is dark, like be careful. 38 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: Oh and also check out clean Room. No, I'm bullish 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: on it. Anyway. This is part two. So we can 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: say logically then that the mind, reacting to adverse environmental 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: conditions conjures its own ghost as a defense mechanism. This 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: means the explanation could be as simple as your neurons 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 4: misfiring in your brain. They're playing their snaptic air hockey 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: wrong or another I like that image, another biochemical reaction. 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, but then the question becomes are they misfiring or 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: are they firing exactly as intended to get the desired effect? 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: You know what I mean? 48 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,279 Speaker 6: So many things that we look at as like a malfunction. 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 6: When you dig a little deeper, it starts to feel 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 6: quite functional. 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: Like sickle celademia and malaria. 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think I get what you're saying, 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 6: man Like, it's something that maybe there was a time 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 6: where certain circumstances led to those being positive mutations, but 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 6: then when those conditions are changed and the thing remains, 56 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 6: it no longer is Is that right? 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: That's possible? Yeah, this is It's definitely clearly not an 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: everyday thing for the vast majority of human beings. But 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 4: each human being is kind of snowflake or fingerprint level unique. Right, 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: You've got the same factory equipment, but that factory equipment 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: is continually modified by cultural, environmental, and internal decision points 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: to quote Bush. 63 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: So it sounds like we're getting towards some of the 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: stuff we've talked about with the complexity of the evolution 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: of this old noggin, the thing we got inside this 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: skull of ours. 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, the bi camera, mind, let's introduce that, because look, 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: all we're saying about environmental factors and physical privation, it 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: does not explain like that explains how people can hallucinate. 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: But it does not explain a common factor of third 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: man syndrome, which is the presence seems to actually help 72 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: to trigger or inspire action. History is riddled with people 73 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: who have hallucinated, and let's be brutally honest, believing you 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: can fly, really believing you can fly has not once, not, 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: never resulted in a person actually flying. Dang, so far, 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: so right, So we believe in you don't jump? So 77 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: what's the difference between third man factor and these other 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 4: cases a skewed perspective. This is where we got to 79 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: go to our pal, Joe McCormick of stuff to blow 80 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 4: your mind. If you like our show, you will love theirs. 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: In an earlier episode, years and years ago, now we 82 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: teamed up with Joe to explore this idea of the 83 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 4: bi cameral mind. What is it for a quick recap? 84 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 6: Yeah so yeah, wonderful episode, Definitely worth checking out again. 85 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 6: It is this idea of bicameral mentality that is a 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 6: hypothesis created by a psychology just Julian James, who argues 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 6: that for a large portion of human history, up to 88 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 6: the time of the ancient Greeks, humans didn't consider their 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 6: emotions and desires to be something that came from within, 90 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 6: rather that. 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: Came from external sources. 92 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: It was almost like we are a television receiver being 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 6: broadcast into you know, from outside of ourselves. 94 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 5: There is no inner monologue thought occurs to you. 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 6: Instead of thinking about thinking metacognition, you are have, in fact, 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 6: had something beaming this information into your skull. 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: What I know, So instead of thinking, I'm hungry, I 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: would like you know, I'd like a Philly cheeseteak. I'm hungry, 99 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: I'd like a Casadia. The bi cameral mind theory argues 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: that up until the time of the ancient Greeks, people 101 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: would think they heard a voice from outside, be that 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: God or a demon, saying you're hungry, you want a 103 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: case adia. And this is way before the invention of 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: the case adia. 105 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: If you're looking for this episode, guys, I don't know 106 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: if we ever put it out as a classic, but 107 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: the original was back in twenty seventeen. I couldn't find 108 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: it in our meta as a classic, but it came 109 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: out in twenty seventeen. 110 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: If you're looking for it. 111 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: We're big fans of this one. The theory posits that 112 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 4: the human mind once operated in a divided state. Cognitive 113 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: functions were split, and one part of your brain appeared 114 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 4: to be speaking. A second part of the brain that 115 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 4: was your quote unquote you're you that you think of 116 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: when you think of yourself. That part was listening and obeying, 117 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 4: and so our buddy, Julian James says. The erosion, the 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: breakdown of this divide is what created the thing we 119 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: call human consciousness today. Gotta be careful, not every This 120 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: theory is not universally accepted, as a fair share of critics, 121 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: but god, how fascinating. 122 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: It makes sense the brain thinking about thinking, because it's 123 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: not the same part thinking, right, it's one part of 124 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: your brain thinking about the other part of your brain 125 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: having ideas. 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: Weird, right, right? What does the air conditioner know about 127 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: the tires? 128 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 5: One hundred percent? 129 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 6: But this is somewhat now, I wouldn't say controversial, but 130 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 6: this theory is not something that's universally accepted. 131 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if this mental state did or does 132 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: indeed exist, could it be possible we're just spitballing here, folks. 133 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: Could it be possible that extreme stress could trigger a 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: temporary return to this cognitive pattern? Could your brain go 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: into a kind of retreat mode, regressing back to bicameralism 136 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: as a survival mechanism. 137 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a definite possibility and it 138 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: would be super helpful in those moments if that's what 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: was happening. 140 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm also thinking too, before we continue, just 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: the various spin offs of this, what if you have 142 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: third man syndrome. This is a good comedy sketch for us, 143 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: and the third man never goes away and just ask 144 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 4: you to do increasingly weird and cartoonish stuff and reminds 145 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: you of the time that they saved your life in Antarctica. 146 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. 147 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: Oh you know what it makes me think of the 148 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: I mean we've kind of already mentioned this, but the 149 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: fight or flight thing, where that is your brain reverting 150 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: back to old school. Just take action right now. This 151 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: is what we're gonna do. 152 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: Take it. 153 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: Do it now, don't think, just go at right now. Yeah, 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: either fight that thing or get the heck out of 155 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: here right now. We're not gonna contemplate it. We're not 156 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: gonna even think about what it looks like or you know, 157 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: any of the details. We're just gonna put our feet 158 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: to the ground and go. 159 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we do have some good news for people who, 160 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: like us, are fascinated with the bi camera mind theory. 161 00:08:53,360 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: Research into this concept is continuing. Neuroimaging appears to a 162 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: potentially support the idea that auditory hallucinations may arise from 163 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: the right temporal paradial lobe and the be transmitted to 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 4: the left temporal paradial lobe. All that to say, if 165 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: you look at someone's brain in the correct circumstances, then 166 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: it does appear that some kind of interaction or communication 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 4: is happening in a way that would not normally occur 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: to most human beings. Also, third man, you might not 169 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 4: always see the presence, but you often hear a voice. 170 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was such a fascinating thing. We covered that topic. 171 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: I remember. I think we learned that in some people 172 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: who are experiencing schizophrenia, they're actually moving their jaw in 173 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: like these micro movements of vocalization. Yeah, causing the person 174 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: to physically hear the thoughts that were being formed that 175 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: they were unaware of because they were being potentially formed 176 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 3: in the right parietal as you're talking about, Well, then 177 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: transfer to the left as they hear the sounds that 178 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: they're making. 179 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: So weird that's wild, man, it's wild. The human brain 180 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: is still very much an unknown country as the literary boffins, 181 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: which is. 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 6: So much stuff is happening under the surface. I mean, 183 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 6: just the idea of like this inner life that we 184 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 6: may or may not even be tuned into half of 185 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 6: the time, not to mention like those involuntary muscle movements 186 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 6: and like you said, the jaw movements and things that 187 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 6: are kind of indicators of all of this stuff bubbling 188 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 6: just under the surface. 189 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 5: It kind of really makes your head spend when you 190 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 5: think about it. 191 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: Well, you could go so deep into some of this 192 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: stuff that we're talking about here, because it could, you know, 193 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: if you break it way out and allow yourself to 194 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: at least contemplate some of the more metaphysical things. Sure, 195 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: even though we're narrowing down into some of the scientific parts, 196 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: we still don't understand the mechanisms right of why it happens, 197 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: which is why we have the religion thing, as you said, Ben, 198 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: to bring it in to explain the why. But like 199 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: something could be taking possession in some way of just 200 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: that one part of your physical body, your brain, to 201 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: then send those ideas to you. 202 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: You're a vessel of a higher power. 203 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean, what a perfect tool and all 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 6: of the receivers you know that we are equipped with 205 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 6: as human beings. I mean, it just blows my mind, 206 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 6: just the specialization and the ability for our human forms 207 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 6: and the equipment that we've got on board. I guess, 208 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 6: for lack of a better way of describing it, that 209 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 6: links up so perfectly with these concepts that we're talking about. 210 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. 211 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: I know it's sort of like I'm stating the obvious, 212 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 6: but I do occasionally just get overwhelmed by it. 213 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: It's an overwhelming thing I like to you know, I 214 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: love to think in metaphor. Similarly, it's a great way 215 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: to learn. One example could be looking at this as 216 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 4: the human brains version of the local TV station taking 217 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: over the broadcast for an emergency warning. You know what 218 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: I mean. You think that you can change the channel, 219 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: but if things get rough, they're taken over. 220 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 6: Can we talk about the God helmet, guys, Yes, all right, 221 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 6: this is the most metal thing of all time. 222 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 5: I just love it, just the name of the concept alone. 223 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: Ah, Yes, the god helmet. I love that you describe 224 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: it as metal. Sometimes also called the Koran helmet ko 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: R E. N This thing is like, it looks kind 226 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: of silly if you pull up the picture. It's created 227 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 4: by a guide named Stanley Koran and a neuroscientist named 228 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 4: Michael Persinger, and they wanted to say they wanted to 229 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: find out what happens to a person's subjective experience, what 230 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: you feel you're encountering if you stimulate the temporal lobes. 231 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: How does this make them feel about thoroughly human things 232 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: like creativity and religious experience. This is straight up a 233 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: snowmobile helmet, all right. Name makes it sound like a 234 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: crazy warhammer forty k kind of thing or a magic 235 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: the Gathering card. But god, helmet is a snowmobile helmet 236 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: with some brain monitoring toys strapped across it. 237 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 5: I think you've seen it in Ghostbusters. Probably. 238 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 6: It's definitely very It's that cliche kind of like science helmet. 239 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 6: It's that kind of DIY in your science garage, custom 240 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 6: built mind reading helmet. 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't just protect you from you know, 242 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: going over the handlebars. This thing's got magnetic fields that 243 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: it produces. 244 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: Like TCDs or TMS transcranial magnetic stimulation, transcranial direct current. 245 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: This is a method of subjecting parts of the brain 246 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: to weak magnetic force. We know it sounds bonkers because 247 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: you might be saying, hey, guys, is the idea that 248 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: we're using science to trigger an experience with the divine 249 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 4: or the sensation of such. Yes, yeah, so stick with 250 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 4: us here. We know how it sounds. We wanted to 251 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: go to some great writing by our colleague Molly Edmunds, 252 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: who penned an article about this for our alma matter, 253 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: How Stuff Works. She has a great description of this 254 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: that is going to take us to some very interesting places. 255 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: Shout out to Molly. 256 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 6: Indeed, Molly says the god helmet includes electrodes that Persinger 257 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 6: used to alter the electromagnetic field at the temporal lobes. 258 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: Persinger claims that he can create a religious experience for 259 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 6: anyone by disrupting the brain with regular electric pulses. This 260 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 6: will cause the left temporal lobe to explain the activity 261 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 6: in the right of the brain as a sensed presence. 262 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what side of your brain says, hey, man, 263 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: what the heck? And the other side of your brain says, oh, yeah, dude, 264 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: there's someone here whoa And that's what your other that's 265 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 4: the original half your brank go WHOA, No way we 266 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: get to cultural priming, because the sensed presence could be 267 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: anything from God to demon, maybe a lost loved one. 268 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: And what they found that's so fascinating is it depended 269 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 4: upon the expectations of the person downing the helmet if 270 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: they were not told the patience or participants in the 271 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: experiment were not told what the experiment involved. About eighty 272 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: percent of people wearing the God helmet reported sensing an 273 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: unseen presence, and this shows us crucial information. First, most amazingly, 274 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: the god helmet does work, just not for everyone and 275 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: not all the time. And I don't know about you, guys, 276 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: but I first really learned about the God helmet thanks 277 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: to the famously kind and not curmudgeonly Richard Dawkins. Oh. 278 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: I really liked that guy for a long time my life. 279 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: It's another I don't like him now. 280 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: It's just I've I don't know, well, I lived on 281 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: his word for a little while there. 282 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 5: But did he have a cancelation moment kind of though? 283 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: Guys, I don't know, I don't know. 284 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: I just yeah, he went he goes hard on on 285 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: the paint when it comes to shooting down anything that 286 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: could be even, you know, slightly just veering on the 287 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: edge about there. 288 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: He's tried to cancel religion, and he would agree with 289 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: agree with us saying that, Yeah, I know. 290 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 6: He had the Humanist of the Year award stripped from 291 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 6: him for making some anti trans comments. 292 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay. 293 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: That's weird for a skeptic. 294 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, okay, very very Anyway, that's back in 295 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. 296 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, he also did not get the god helmet vibe. 297 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: He put it on again. Famously, we could call him 298 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: huge critic of religion. Some folks have called him a 299 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: militant atheist. He tries on the god helmet and he says, look, 300 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: I felt a little bit dizzy. I had some twitchy 301 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: legs for a minute. And this led Persenger to believe 302 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 4: that some people may, for one reason or another, be 303 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: inherently more inclined to have these experiences, maybe due to 304 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: genetic factors, maybe cultural factors. And let's remember the god 305 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 4: helmet was invented pretty recently in the grand scheme of things. 306 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 4: So how do we explain other people having encounters, epiphanies, 307 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: experiences with what they saw as the divine? Well, it 308 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: must mean that you don't always have to have the 309 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: technology to do this. Your pre existing beliefs and expectations. 310 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: They have a huge influence on how folks would explain 311 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 4: the God helmet to themselves. You already believe in God 312 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: right or gods or angels, your brain is going to 313 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: instantly conclude that's what you're encountering. 314 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, totally. 315 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: Will pause for a moment for a word from our sponsors, 316 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: and we'll be right back, and we've returned. 317 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: Guys, it took me to a place to contemplate fasting 318 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: and this concept of depriving yourself of food for a 319 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: long enough time to get closer in some way to 320 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 3: the spiritual side, right to God, in some way to 321 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: show your devotion and what if it is or was 322 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 3: at least originally a physical way to make your mind, 323 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: dude get closer there. 324 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 6: Well, it's sort of like self flagellation, right, Like, you know, 325 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 6: if you whip yourself enough, then your fight or flight 326 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 6: you triggers will will kick in that you were actually 327 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 6: causing and perhaps cause you to experience that third man syndrome, 328 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 6: Like is the third man God? 329 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 5: You know? I don't know. 330 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 4: It's very explained as such. 331 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, and also I found an article I just love 332 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 5: the headline. 333 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 6: It was in the UK's Guardian Bad Science column and 334 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 6: it says, bring me a God helmet and bring it now, 335 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 6: by Ben Goldacre. 336 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 5: And then he just described it really beautifully. 337 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 6: It says the temporal lobes have long been implicated in 338 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 6: religious experiences. Epileptic seizures in that part of the brain, 339 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 6: for example, can produce mystical experiences and visions. Persinger's helmet 340 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 6: stimulates those temporal lobes with weak electromagnetic fields through the skull, 341 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 6: and in various published papers, this stimulation has been shown 342 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 6: to induce a sensed presence under blinded conditions. 343 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 344 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 4: I would also add to this pre God helmet to 345 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 4: that point, meditation, which is still practiced. Meditation can create 346 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: that sense of psychological isolation, diving into your inner world 347 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 4: to see if there's something that reaches out to you. 348 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 4: So it isnmpletely possible, even weirdly enough, Maynard came from 349 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: tool Energy. Yes, yes, Keenan, Yes, Old Maynard recommends the 350 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: the similar thing. You know, you could also perhaps use 351 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: drugs or hallucinogens to induce this stuff. He said, Yeah, 352 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 4: that's fine, tried it a couple times, but then figure 353 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 4: out the natural way to get there on your road. 354 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: I think it's Capsayson guys. 355 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 5: Spicy spicy boys. 356 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: Yes, No, but really like you guys have probably had 357 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: that experience where like, if I eat something so spicy, 358 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: it is this moment of all it's almost clarity because 359 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: you're you cease thinking about anything else. I wonder if 360 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 3: it is the same thing or close to the same thing. 361 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 362 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 6: A buddy of mine recently turned me on to a study. 363 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 6: I'll see if I can find. 364 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 5: It for later. 365 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 6: But where there are these like Janused monks I believe, 366 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 6: or these specific sect of monks that will do this 367 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 6: intense form of meditation where they stare at a candleplane 368 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 6: for like days on end, and the study has shown 369 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 6: that it genuinely produces an experience almost. 370 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: Identical to that of being on DMT. 371 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, meditation, focused meditation can do this the mind. 372 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: The thoughts that you choose to experience over time can 373 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: have physiological impact upon your brain. Shout out the knowledge, 374 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: Shout out Buddhist meditation. 375 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: Shout out the infinite social scroll that is doing the 376 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: opposite of what we're talking about. 377 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: Really, yeah, depends on how I curate it right. Another 378 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 4: example about priming, Let's say you are pining for a 379 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 4: long lost loved one. They have been on your mind 380 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 4: for some time now. Obviously bad faith actors purporting to 381 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 4: be mediums have they made bank off this since time immemorial. 382 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: But you may if you're wearing a god helmet, because 383 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: you're primed to think of that person, and you may 384 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 4: feel the presence you have interacted with or encountered is 385 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: that person from beyond the grave. And if you're more secular, 386 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: you haven't been primed at all. Then you get to 387 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: a hilarious gotta catch twenty two situation. One side of 388 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 4: your brain is going bonkers saying, man, man, there's something there, 389 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: there's something there. The other side says, oh, what is it? 390 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 4: What is it? And the first size of your brain 391 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: says the fuck, I don't know, And then you take 392 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 4: off the helmet. 393 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I just had a conversation about 394 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: this with somebody. We do have the genetic code of 395 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: our ancestors in our code, or at least bits and 396 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: pieces of it, right segments of it. So there's another 397 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: whole thing. If you get in, you know, you dig 398 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 3: deeper into that then potentially there is not there is 399 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: some kind of interaction that you could be having not 400 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: only would the neural connections and the memories you have 401 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: of that person, but with the actual code that. 402 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: Is a part of you. 403 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: It's very Graham Hancock. Yeah, I've read those books that 404 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 4: the idea that Graham Handcock takes a little bit further 405 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: and argues that what is often described as quote unquote 406 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: junk DNA is actually memory encoded. It reminds me of 407 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 4: our earlier Strange News segment where we're talking earlier listener 408 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: mail segment. We're talking about the possibility of genetic memory 409 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: and thank you Anonymous for sending us a really cool 410 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: picture of your dog. Just going to leave that withe there. 411 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 4: But okay, so we've got these things. We all saw 412 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: the email. That's a champion dog right there, top tier. 413 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: We've got these things trauma and survival. So we know 414 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 4: the factors influencing the experience. We know that the experience 415 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: can be purposely or something like it can be purposely 416 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 4: created through technology the god helmet. We also know there's 417 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: a really fascinating argument that once upon a time the 418 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: human brain was more divided whether that be to culture, 419 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 4: whether that's be to psychology, something environmental that we can't explain. 420 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: But I'm thinking if we take all these if we 421 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: treat them like puzzle pieces, maybe we can use them 422 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 4: to build a better picture of this thing we call 423 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: the Third Man mystery. The neuroscience really is one of 424 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: the key players here, right, Like, neurosciences pretty legit. 425 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's definitely a thing. You can 426 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: get a degree in it. We know several people that 427 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: have those we do. 428 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. I guess maybe that's a little bit 429 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: of a softball for me to go. Now, No, you guys, 430 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: this neuroscience thing bullshit. 431 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: No, so it does. 432 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 4: It does show us that, like you were saying earlier, No, 433 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: there are plenty studies on the activity of the brain, 434 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 4: and they show increased activity in areas associated with social 435 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 4: cognition and self awareness. Right, Like I am in a 436 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: school of fish? Which fish am I? How do I 437 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 4: relate to the other fish? During what are called simulated 438 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: isolation experiments, you put someone alone, you put them in 439 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: the hole. You see what happens their brain. It looks 440 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 4: like your brain starts to work over time to fill 441 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 4: the void by the left in the absence of real 442 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: social interaction. So in short, if we do not have 443 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 4: friends our brains, if your human may start working to 444 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 4: make them. 445 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: Man, that's so weird because I think back to Shackleton 446 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: and how there were three human beings there that's experiencing 447 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 3: the same thing, and. 448 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 5: So does that. 449 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 6: But then we also know about like collective hallucinations. Does 450 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 6: that explain that if people usually experience those under duress. 451 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: Like FOLLI you do? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's another piece 452 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: of the puzzle that's difficult for us to grapple with. 453 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: So the God Helmet shows us proves that certain subtle 454 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: magnetic stimulations can create the feeling of an unseen presence. 455 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: We also know from our earlier episode on the science 456 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: of ghosts, which was dope, honestly, we know that certain 457 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: infrasound frequencies can create the experience of sensing a ghost. 458 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 6: Yeah for sure, ooh and shout out to I don't 459 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 6: know if we should talk about it real quick, guys. 460 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 6: We've got a pretty cool live event coming up in 461 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 6: the new year where we're going to. 462 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 5: Talk about a lot of that kind of stuff. 463 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 6: Infrasound, how sound can affect our physicality and our mental state. 464 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a blast. 465 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: If you've got your calendars for twenty twenty five out, 466 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: go ahead and write down these dates. February nineteenth through 467 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: the twenty first. 468 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 5: In Brooklyn, New York at the Wife Hotel. 469 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: That's the on air fest at the legendary National Sawdust Venue. 470 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 4: We can't wait for you to be there. We'll have 471 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: more information emerging as we get closer. No word yet 472 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 4: on whether or not we'll have a god helmet, but really, 473 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 4: the god helmet's the friends we made along the way. 474 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 3: We're gonna turn that entire venue into a god helmet. 475 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 5: You guys, they're going to be God tier, that's for sure. 476 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 6: Ed. 477 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 4: Speaking of god helmet, we noted again as we're building 478 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 4: out our puzzle pieces here, the god helmet may not 479 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: be necessary to trigger these experiences. Other factors or mixtures 480 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: of factors could produce a similar result, as we talked 481 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 4: about in depth a few minutes ago. But the god 482 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 4: helmet itself, again, it doesn't appear to conjure entities that 483 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: tell you to do a specific set of actions, telling 484 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 4: you to do something, helping you do something that is 485 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: the primary defining factor. Of third man syndrome, and I 486 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: posit the bicameral mind might help us solve for that part. 487 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, dude, I think there's also something to 488 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: this figure. I mean, this doesn't go into explaining at 489 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: you guys, but a figure that is there that is 490 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 3: just pushing forward. 491 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: Right. 492 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 3: So, just to go back to that Shackleton experience, You've 493 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 3: got three guys who are you know, on their last legs, 494 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 3: doing everything they can to move one foot forward, and 495 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: you've got this third party, fourth party I guess that 496 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: is just trudging through the snow and just isn't stopping. 497 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: And laughing all the way. 498 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: But just say that that thing that you are both visualizing, hearing, sensing, 499 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: all that stuff that just continues. 500 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's similar perhaps to the stories of what's sometimes 501 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: called hysterical strength. So you can actually, if you're a 502 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: human being, you can actually lift and move way more 503 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: stuff than you feel like you can ordinarily your body 504 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 4: just has hard mental constraints to stop you from hurting yourself. Yeah, 505 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: and so in times of emergency, like the common trope 506 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 4: that you always hear is a mother the back of 507 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: a card, a savor kid and maybe gives themselves injuries 508 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 4: in the process because they're able to bypass that stuff. 509 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: So if the by camera mind is telling us that 510 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: people can experience a form of disassociation due to a 511 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: number of factors, then we're looking at neurological, environmental, cultural, psychological. 512 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: Something adds into this stew and creates the certitude that 513 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 4: an internal thought is coming from an external source. In 514 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: those cases, in the bi camera mind theory, those voices 515 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: from the ether do tell people to do certain things, 516 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 4: to take certain actions. 517 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 6: All right, let's take a quick pause, hear a word 518 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 6: from our sponsor, and then we'll jump right back into 519 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 6: this conversation on the third man theory. 520 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: And we've returned, let's learn more about the third man syndrome. 521 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 6: To me, though, sometimes even when we drill down into 522 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 6: the science of some of these metaphysical kind of experiences. 523 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 5: It doesn't like cheapen it not to me at all, 524 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 5: if anything. 525 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I think they do coexist the way you 526 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 6: so beautifully put it earlier. 527 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 5: Science and spirituality, Well good news. 528 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: I think it's the world we live in fair enough. 529 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's weird because you know, if there is 530 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: a force out there that is so much grander and 531 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: greater than us. I can't imagine a version of it 532 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: where it cares what you call it, you know, or care, 533 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: it really cares how you worship it. 534 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be the weirdest thing to get hung up on? 535 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: Can you imagine people murder each other over it? Yeah? 536 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: They murder each other. Here I'm talking about what the 537 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: metaphysical death sentence of going to damnation? On a technicality? Yeah, well, buddy, 538 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 4: but that's funny. 539 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 6: So many religions are based on it's a technicality. If 540 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 6: you don't believe in this exact way, Saint Peter's sending 541 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 6: you home. 542 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 4: The wrong animal once. Okay, yeah you did get baptized, buddy, 543 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: but whoo whoa, whoa, woah. Let me stop you at 544 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 4: the gate. Did you get sprinkles or did you get dumped? 545 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 5: Dude? 546 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: As you get closer to the center, the smiling man 547 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: doesn't care what you call him. He's just waiting for 548 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: you in the black bar. That's a shout out to 549 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: Gideon falls really. 550 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 6: Good, really and Ben to your point, your your your 551 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 6: baptismal materials were not approved, you know, for use. 552 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: Let me see the tip of your penis. 553 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 5: Yes, please say it like that. 554 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: You're like, Wow, Heaven is way more intense than I thought. 555 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: You were that close, Sorry, Matt. 556 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 4: Matt is clearly indicating the foreskins distance away from the 557 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: divine a foreskin to hell. Uh, the new tell all 558 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: memoir of the afterlife by your bowels and stuff. They 559 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: don't want you to know. I mean, yeah, we can't 560 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 4: cast we never do, and I think we're all this 561 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: is very important to all of us. I'm extremely proud 562 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 4: of us on the show for never casting aspersion on 563 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: spiritual beliefs. There is a surprisingly fascinating collection of science 564 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: that's ongoing that might explain what's happening with third man syndrome. 565 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: And because cultural perspective and cultural framework is such a 566 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 4: big part of what may be going on here, that 567 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 4: means it's the opposite of dismissing spirituality. It means spirituality 568 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 4: must be acknowledged as a piece of the explanation. I mean, 569 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 4: you're dude, think about it. You're on death's door. It's 570 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 4: a worse day or days of your life, and you, 571 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 4: the you that you think of as you yourself that 572 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: you has given up done so, and then your brain 573 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 4: and a last ditch effort to keep the whole show 574 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: going conjures up another version, a better version of you. Temporarily, 575 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 4: it says you're not alone, can't give up. Now hold 576 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 4: my hand, walk a little further over the next time, ill, 577 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: I will take you somewhere safe. 578 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 5: You know. 579 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that version of you might be a loved 580 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: one that passed away, right because just because that's how 581 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: your brain ends up visualizing it, and it knows that 582 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: you will be motivated by that specific person. 583 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 4: Well. 584 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 6: And so often we talk about the idea of experiencing 585 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 6: ghosts too, or like you know, what's apparitions out in 586 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 6: the world. Oftentimes we link those experiences back to memory. 587 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: You know, the idea of being haunted quote unquote or 588 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 6: visited by a loved one is really just a different 589 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 6: way of experiencing your love and your memories of that 590 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 6: person manifesting in a way that can help you. 591 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,479 Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, one hundred percent. I mean it's a 592 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 4: positive conspiracy. It's a positive weaponization of very complex mechanisms. 593 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: I mean, science seems to imply that the third Man 594 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 4: factor is an internal conspiracy on the part of your brain, 595 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: but not to hurt you, just to try to help you. 596 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 4: And again we have to say this has not been 597 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 4: proven because spoiler, folks, it is cartoonishly difficult to study 598 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 4: this in a lab because you can't, you know, right now, 599 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 4: you can't legally strap a brain monitoring device on someone 600 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 4: and just slap them on the keyster and push them 601 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 4: out into the Arctic until they starve. You can't do 602 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 4: that just to see what happens. 603 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 5: We're getting there with VR though soon enough. 604 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 4: Hey, that's actually that's a really good point, man. 605 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, shut out Unit seven thirty one. 606 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: Sorry. 607 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: Also, their science was bad, Yeah, but act they were 608 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 3: doing crap like that. 609 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 4: They were. They're part of the reason we have such 610 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 4: strict ethical guidelines now. 611 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 5: I mean. 612 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 4: Also, what's that movie with Keith for Sutherland. I used 613 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 4: to love it where the those med students start taking 614 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 4: themselves to near death experiences Flat flights. Yeah, you guys 615 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 4: remember flat Lighters? 616 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? Not great but interesting and of its time. 617 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: No, I love that concept. 618 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: Really, smart inquisitive people are like, you know what, let's 619 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 3: just kill each other a little bit and see what happens. 620 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: Who's got the right blanket for this? That was a 621 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 4: big plot point, right, Flat Lighters. Jacob's Ladder was another 622 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 4: one kind of in that vat. 623 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 5: That's a good one. Jacob's Ladder. 624 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned that Ben the earlier. 625 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 6: When we were talking about this, the quote occurred to me. 626 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 6: What is it If you're dying and you're hanging on, 627 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 6: you'll see devils tearing your life away, But if you 628 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 6: make peace, then the devil has become angels, freeing you 629 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 6: from the earth. 630 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 4: Oh that's cool. Is that from Jacob's Ladder? 631 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, it is. 632 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 4: Oh that's beautiful. Yeah, flat lighters, I will defend. I mean, 633 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 4: it's obviously no vibes, but it does show this idea 634 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 4: of you know, one of the I mean, it's a 635 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 4: horror movie. We won't to spoil it too much, but 636 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 4: one of the big debates they have for a while 637 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 4: is whether they are encountering external forces because they've pierced 638 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 4: the mortal veil or the mortal pale, or whether they 639 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 4: are doing something to their brains through near death experiences 640 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 4: that make them perceive an internal thing is an external thing. 641 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: And that's that's where we have to say, don't try 642 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 4: to give yourself an NDE. Now, even if you have 643 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 4: a lab don't do it. It's super tricky. And you 644 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 4: only have to mess up once. 645 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: Oh for sure, guys, you mind if I get one 646 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 3: more example just of this that found was really sweet 647 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: and maybe I don't know, it actually made me feel good. 648 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 3: It's another example that came from our buddy John Geiger 649 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 3: there from his the third Man factor, and this was 650 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 3: a person named Stephanie. Stephanie Schwab. I want to say, 651 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: who went into one of those underwater cave systems, you know, 652 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 3: the ones where people take their scuba equipment and go 653 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 3: deep into caverns that are labyrinthine and the only way 654 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: you know where you are inside that thing is through 655 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: a guideline that is connected to you and attached to you, 656 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 3: so you can then follow that line back out of 657 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 3: the system, because there's no way in the darkness of 658 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: that cave with your little lights you'd be able to 659 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 3: find your way out. 660 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 4: Well. 661 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: In this specific instance in nineteen ninety seven, Stephanie lost 662 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: her guideline while she's deep in this cave system, and 663 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 3: she began running out of oxygen and panicking. And for 664 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 3: her at least, what she experienced was that her a 665 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 3: presence was with her that she ascribed to her recently 666 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 3: dead husband, who helped her calm down, find the guideline 667 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 3: at the very you know you're talking about time running out, 668 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 3: find the guideline, and pull herself out. I just think 669 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: that's amazing that she had that in her and had 670 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: that experience, which is really beautiful if you think about it, 671 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 3: But just that maybe all of us haven't in us 672 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: the potential to either save ourselves through all these mechanisms 673 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 3: we've described, or to actually get some kind of outside 674 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 3: help from someone who's been in our lives. I just 675 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 3: think it's I don't know. 676 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 4: Sweet, and when it works out, it definitely is. We 677 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 4: also have to remember that there have statistically, if everything 678 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 4: we're saying is somewhat on base, there have statistically been 679 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 4: moments where the third man came too late. 680 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we would never know, right. 681 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 4: We'll never know. There also is still a great stigma 682 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 4: around reporting or sharing these experiences. Partially that's because people 683 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 4: don't want to seem like they're off base, right or 684 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 4: mentally asymmetrical. The third man syndrome is a mysterious phenomenon. Still, 685 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 4: even this evening, we know something is definitely happening, But 686 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 4: what according to all the signs so far, that appears 687 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 4: to be the stuff your brain doesn't want you to 688 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 4: know and if you trust us. Folks, if you've come 689 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 4: this far with us, thank you again for your time. 690 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: We would love to hear your stories. If you have 691 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 4: encountered something like this, something you cannot explain, and if 692 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 4: any of what we've explored over these past two episodes 693 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 4: has spoken to you, tell us about it. We'd love 694 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 4: to learn more and we'd love to potentially share your 695 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 4: stories with your fellow listeners. You can find us via 696 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 4: email you give us a call. We also are on 697 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 4: all sorts of internet lines. 698 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 5: It's right catch us outside online. That's where we are. 699 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 6: We exist in the handle Conspiracy Stuff where we exist 700 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 6: on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy, 701 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 6: on exfka, Twitter and on YouTube with video content Galora 702 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 6: for your perusing enjoyment on Instagram and TikTok. 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Join us out here in the dark. You 714 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 4: can send us any old thing. We love episode suggestions. 715 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 4: We want to hear your third man stories. We also 716 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 4: welcome your jokes. Could I share one if we haven't 717 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 4: gotten to it yet. Guys, it's okay. H ZS. Rex 718 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 4: said something so good I had to write back to 719 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 4: you Directly's Evius. He said, my dog got into our 720 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 4: scrabble game. His next bowel movement could spell disaster. 721 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 6: That's very funny, hey, at least it's definitely a cut 722 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 6: above humor. 723 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 5: As Harry I will say that multiple cuts. 724 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 4: So I'm bringing this up to thank you zus Rex, 725 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 4: and thank everybody who again trust us enough to reach 726 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 4: out and hang with us here in the dark. Join 727 00:40:48,840 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 4: us conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 728 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production 729 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 730 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.