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Speaker 2: We are very excited to be joined this morning by

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Speaker 2: Graham Platner. He is a Democratic Senate candidate in the

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Speaker 2: state of Maine, challenging ultimately if he gets through the primary,

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Speaker 2: Susan Collins, who obviously been there for quite a while.

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Speaker 2: In addition, he is a veteran, and he is an oysterman,

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Speaker 2: and he joins us this morning. Great to meet you, Graham.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So let's start with what made you

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Speaker 2: jump in the race.

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Speaker 5: I mean, at his core, I really love the state

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Speaker 5: of Maine. I was born and raised here. I got

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Speaker 5: to come after here or come come home here after

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Speaker 5: my time overseas. We've got a really unique way of

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Speaker 5: life up here. I think there's a lot of kind

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Speaker 5: of hard scrabble making it work. Most people I know

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Speaker 5: have two or three jobs, lots of seasonal work, lots

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Speaker 5: of non traditional stuff like clamming, oyster farming, lobster fishing,

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Speaker 5: and yeah, it's just a it's a really unique place.

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Speaker 5: And it's allowed me to feel very grounded and connected

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Speaker 5: and and I love it. And right now it feels

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Speaker 5: like a lot of the the underlying structures that allowed

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Speaker 5: us to live the way that we do up here

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Speaker 5: are really beginning to fall apart, and us Senate race

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Speaker 5: is pretty much the uh, this is the place. This

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Speaker 5: is the way to get in the fight if I

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Speaker 5: want to really be able to fight for this place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and people who've been talking to the media, who've

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Speaker 6: known you for a long time have been saying they

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Speaker 6: you've been the same Graham, you know, basically your whole life.

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Speaker 6: But now you're taking that to the kind of Senate

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Speaker 6: race level. And so I want to ask about that,

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Speaker 6: but I want to preface it with a crazy story

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Speaker 6: which the audience should know. You would be maybe the

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Speaker 6: second bartender serving in Congress, but you would be the

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Speaker 6: first one that I knew when he was a bartender.

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Speaker 6: So Graham, for people who don't know, Graham, bartender at

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Speaker 6: the tune In, which is a bar on Pennsylvania Avenue

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Speaker 6: near the Capitol, went while he was a student at

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Speaker 6: GW which to your great credit, you didn't finish.

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Speaker 7: Which I think is a feather.

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Speaker 6: In your feather in your cap And while there you

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Speaker 6: worked Friday, Saturday, Sunday nights at the tune In. I

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Speaker 6: was off in there there basically every Sunday night and

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Speaker 6: some Fridays and Saturdays with some other city Washington City

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Speaker 6: Paper crew and then later Huffingham Post crew, back before

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Speaker 6: we had kids. And when you jumped in, I reached

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Speaker 6: out to Ned, who was another bartender there who had

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Speaker 6: gone to college with my brother and my brother and

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Speaker 6: I went to the same school.

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Speaker 7: He was a better friend with my brother, but I

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Speaker 7: know Ned well. I was like, Ned, is this.

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Speaker 6: The same Graham? And he's like, Graham is running for senator?

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Speaker 4: He sure is.

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Speaker 6: I was like, Wow, that's that's amazing. So I hope

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Speaker 6: I tipped, well, I hope I left a good impression.

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Speaker 4: No, I remember, I have nothing but good memories. Ryan,

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Speaker 4: so excellent.

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Speaker 6: I very I have very few memories, but so so

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Speaker 6: to the to the point of you being the same

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Speaker 6: guy your whole life. This is something I've seen people asking.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to get your, uh, your story on it,

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Speaker 6: which is, so you're you're in high school. I think

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Speaker 6: when you went and protested Bush's speech in Maine, you

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Speaker 6: went and protested the in two thousand and two and

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Speaker 6: the run up to the war in Iraq. You know

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Speaker 6: in your yearbook you you've got free Palestine, free Cashmere,

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Speaker 6: free Tibet. You know you're most likely to lead a revolution,

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Speaker 6: and then you enlist, and so a lot of people

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Speaker 6: have been like, why did you do that? Like you

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Speaker 6: you were kind of eyes wide open and way that

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Speaker 6: other people who enlisted weren't. And so walk us through

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Speaker 6: your decision to enlist out of was it right out

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I took a.

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Speaker 5: Quick break to go work in the appalation, uh in

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean I I graduated, went into the woods for a while,

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Speaker 5: and then joined the corps.

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Speaker 7: So well, why like, what, what.

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Speaker 6: What drew you to that, given that you were already

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's really it's I think it's

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Speaker 5: it's two things on one. On one hand, there was

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Speaker 5: the you know, I've all I don't know how to

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Speaker 5: quite explain this, but I'd always wanted to take part

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Speaker 5: take part in in uh In, Yeah, like big things,

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Speaker 5: Like I do believe in service. I very much believe

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Speaker 5: in doing what you can for your community. And you know,

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Speaker 5: the United States military service is just culturally a big

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Speaker 5: part of that. There was a draw there, But as

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Speaker 5: you mentioned, I was clearly skeptical of certain bits of

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Speaker 5: American foreign policy. And the other part of it, though,

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Speaker 5: is that like I was nineteen and I was looking

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Speaker 5: for an adventure, and I certainly got one. Tied into

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Speaker 5: that though, was this idea back then and I've been

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Speaker 5: mostly disabused of it by now, but this idea that

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Speaker 4: The cutting edge.

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Speaker 5: I joined the infantry, I was a machine gunner in

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Speaker 5: the Marine Corps. If you're out there where all the

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Speaker 5: bad things are happening if you're a decent person, if

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Speaker 5: you can maybe bring a little bit of decency into

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Speaker 5: an indecent thing. I did believe that when I was

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Speaker 5: a kid. It is true to an extent, but inside

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Speaker 5: of a much larger failed policy, failed strategy. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's obviously there's only so much you can do, and

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Speaker 5: I had to learn that the hard way. I yeah,

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Speaker 5: so it's my It's been funny. A lot of people

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Speaker 5: it's kind of like how it runs up against kind

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Speaker 5: it never really did. It was all kind of the

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Speaker 5: same thing. I wanted to go out there and see.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to see the reality. I didn't want to

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Speaker 5: read about it. I wanted to know if I was

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Speaker 5: talking about. And sadly, with war, you know, it's hard

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Speaker 5: to it's hard to just read about it and feel

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Speaker 5: like you've gotten all of the information.

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Speaker 4: And that was one of the things that took me there.

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Speaker 2: Where were you deployed and what was that experience like

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Speaker 2: what did you learn through that experience?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I joined I joined the Corps in

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Speaker 5: early two thousand and four, and I deployed within a year.

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Speaker 5: My first deployment was the outside of Fallujah in two

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Speaker 5: in August of five, immediately began preparing for our deployment

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Speaker 5: to Ramadi, which we went to I think five or

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Speaker 5: We were just rolling from deployment to deployment. Went to

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Speaker 4: It was a hard one.

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Speaker 5: After that, we got back a number of us who'd

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Speaker 5: been around the block at that point all extended our

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Speaker 5: enlistments so we could go on a third deployment. We

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Speaker 5: which woud up being a Marine expeditionary unit. So we

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Speaker 5: go into a RAQ.

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Speaker 4: Not that time.

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Speaker 5: And then I wound up getting out briefly, frankly, getting

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Speaker 4: So and then many.

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Speaker 5: Years later, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I went back to

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Speaker 5: My disillusionment had become quite quite pronounced at that point.

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Speaker 6: So do you meet a lot of veterans out on

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Speaker 5: Yes, and the response is always very positive. I mean,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: People always talk about this kind of bitterness that a

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Speaker 5: There's also an element where you come back and you

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Speaker 5: to see your friends frankly get sacrificed, and you come

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Speaker 4: That's hard. That's an I still struggle with this.

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Speaker 5: It's a it's an emotionally complicated situation, and a lot

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Speaker 5: and women. I was in the infantry, so I apologize.

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Speaker 5: That's that's still a hang up of mine. A lot

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Speaker 5: like that you have to layer on top of all

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Speaker 5: it meant anything. And I know a lot of vets

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Speaker 5: who are conservative and progressive, Republican and Democrat who have

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Speaker 5: the same critique that I do that it was all

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Speaker 5: very wealthy. And when you just say that out loud,

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Speaker 5: a ton of people understand that that's the truth because

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Speaker 5: they feel it too. And it's gotten a lot of

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Speaker 5: I think, positive response because it's just I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: stuff that everybody kind of knows already. I'm not inventing.

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Speaker 2: Anything here, Grem How much interest has there been in

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Speaker 2: your outspoken opposition to the genocide and Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Less than I expected, I will say, I mean from

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Speaker 5: the obvious channels, you know, if that's expected. Susan Collin

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Speaker 6: Thought you would get hit harder. You mean, yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: got it?

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Speaker 8: You? Your votes destroying are supreme.

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Speaker 10: More you have towns, you.

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Speaker 8: Can't every I have a suggestion. Did you listen to

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Speaker 5: I mean, Susan Collins has it held a town hall

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Speaker 6: Because in Washington, you know, that's that's the thing that

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Speaker 5: So, uh, for the record, I just made to put

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Speaker 4: What can we do.

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Speaker 5: And now we're talking about building working class power, we're

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Speaker 5: We have three hundred volunteer sign ups a day, which

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Speaker 2: Graham, last question for me. I saw you on CNNZ.

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Speaker 2: you probably have some critiques of Hakeem Jefferies as well

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Speaker 6: And last question for me, your campaign put out a

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Speaker 7: Now, Paul's and Maine have been bad in the past.

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Speaker 5: What jumped out to me is that, like my theory

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Speaker 2: Well, Graham, congrats on a massively successful launch. Please keep

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Speaker 2: CNN recently had Anna Kasparian of TYT on a panel

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Speaker 2: is the first time it has ever been mentioned on CNS.

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Speaker 1: Story Brok.

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Speaker 3: I know that it is, and in fact, you know,

443
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you're in this job. One

444
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Speaker 3: of the fun things is is that I talked to

445
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Speaker 3: some of these people behind the scenes. They all know

446
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Speaker 3: that it's messed up. They want to cover it. In fact,

447
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: many of them congratulated me and us on all of

448
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Speaker 3: our reporting around the subject, and I was like, thanks,

449
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Speaker 3: but you know, when are you.

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Speaker 1: Going to cover it? I was like, I'm just you know,

451
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Speaker 1: a YouTube guy. Silence.

452
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Speaker 3: Nothing they know all right, I mean, I don't know

453
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Speaker 3: if the order has come from the top or whatever,

454
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Speaker 3: but this is very like you said, the very first

455
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Speaker 3: mention of it on their air. I believe they it's

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Speaker 3: clear Jennings and you know what's the guy's named, Kevin

457
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Speaker 3: O'Leary and all that they either had heard about it

458
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Speaker 3: and they're totally shutting up, or they'd never heard about

459
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Speaker 3: it before. Both their indictments. Actually, if you ask me,

460
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Speaker 3: same with the overall news panel, and it's one of

461
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Speaker 3: those where guys, I mean, this is a genuine story.

462
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Speaker 3: It's actually a scandal, the fact that he hasn't been returned.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to it in a little bit and give

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Speaker 3: everybody an update. But I thought that broadly, I mean,

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Speaker 3: look props to her for it going on, because that

466
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Speaker 3: is like the only way that their viewers would ever

467
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Speaker 3: even be exposed to this type of information. Because one

468
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Speaker 3: thing you can say, at the very look the internet.

469
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Speaker 3: We've spent done a lot, almost an hour now on

470
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Speaker 3: the show about all the problems with that, but one

471
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Speaker 3: thing I generally appreciate, at the very least people who

472
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Speaker 3: watch the show or others, you're going to get exposed

473
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Speaker 3: to a lot of information. You were going to get

474
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Speaker 3: exposed to from not just both sides, but like even

475
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Speaker 3: in general, if you're on Twitter, Blue Sky, whatever, wherever

476
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Speaker 3: you are, like your information diet is such that you

477
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Speaker 3: probably had heard about this or you had some sort

478
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Speaker 3: of inkling. But that's just so not the case with

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Speaker 3: the Fox News, the CNN, or the MSNBC viewer.

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Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, having people like Annon or at.

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Speaker 3: Least in this particular case, like that view just never

482
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Speaker 3: gets represented. Otherwise you're just going to get these shibble

483
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Speaker 3: if you know, mantras and be.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, what about the hostages? What about the hostages?

485
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Speaker 3: Or you know, Israel is a right to defend itself

486
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Speaker 3: and a right to exist, and you're like, bro, what

487
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Speaker 3: are we doing here, Like it's not October twenty eighth,

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Speaker 3: two thousand, twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I love when they have her on. She's

490
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Speaker 2: really excellent on these panels. They've had her on a

491
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Speaker 2: few times, and she's just so effective in the way

492
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Speaker 2: she communicates, and she's clear, she's so fierce when it

493
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Speaker 2: comes to Israel and just does not pull any punches

494
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Speaker 2: and to your point about you know, the Internet, which

495
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Speaker 2: is both you know, incredible promise and incredible peril. I

496
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Speaker 2: guess is sort of the theme of this show today. This

497
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Speaker 2: story would never have seen the light of day in

498
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Speaker 2: a pre online media environment. This is a purely like

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Speaker 2: internet independent media or like non traditional media. I guess

500
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Speaker 2: we'll say story that got picked up on and all

501
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Speaker 2: the reporting that has been I shouldn't say, oh, there's

502
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Speaker 2: been some local news reporting, but you know, the most

503
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Speaker 2: of the reporting has been like you and Village Crazy Lady,

504
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Speaker 2: the Twitter account online, you know, and otherwise this would

505
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Speaker 2: have been just completely vanished and disappeared instead. It really

506
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Speaker 2: is an international scale. I mean, Netanya, who's had to

507
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Speaker 2: address it. You've had Trump administration officials who have had

508
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Speaker 2: to address it, and CNN there's now enough sort of

509
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: there's enough problems with the mainstream press and they can

510
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Speaker 2: see their writings decline, and they see the writing on

511
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: the wall that they have to they feel like they

512
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Speaker 2: have to bring on some figures like Anna onto their

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Speaker 2: panels just to remain any sort you know, maintain any

514
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Speaker 2: sort of relevance and competitive you know, ability in the marketplace.

515
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Speaker 2: And so these things start to seep into the conversation

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Speaker 2: there in a way that they never would have in

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Speaker 2: a different era. So there's another moment here that I

518
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Speaker 2: want to play for you where Anna is going back

519
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Speaker 2: and forth with Scott Jennings about the you know, man

520
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Speaker 2: made the Israeli imposed famine in the Gaza Strip. Let's

521
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 1: About this, because this is a talking point that comes

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Speaker 1: up a lot.

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Speaker 10: Not a talking point, it is definitely a talking point.

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Speaker 10: When you block the Gaza Strip straight, it not only

526
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Speaker 10: impacts the palest To news, which I know you can

527
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Speaker 10: care less about, but it also obviously is going to

528
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Speaker 10: impact the hostages they're going to starve.

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Speaker 2: To death as well.

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Speaker 1: You're saying Israel is starving the hostages.

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Speaker 10: I'm saying yes, when you block three months, where do

532
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Speaker 10: you think they're going to get the food from?

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Speaker 1: Max? Israel to joke and the Hamas.

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Speaker 10: Have been Why axing the West Bank right now? Why

535
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Speaker 10: is Israel annexing the West Bank, which of course is

536
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Speaker 10: not governed by Hamas at all? Why are Israeli settlers

537
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Speaker 10: allowed to just run Palestinians out of their legal homes,

538
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Speaker 10: build thousands of illegal settlements West Bank has nothing to

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Speaker 10: do with Hamas. Why is Israel annexing? Why Why didn't

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Speaker 10: net Yahoo say that his stated goal in an interview

541
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Speaker 10: with I twenty four news and Israeli publication say that

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Speaker 10: he has a religious need to pursue the greater Israel.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to let just not answer quickly, and then

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Speaker 1: we've got to go ahead school that. Scott.

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Speaker 11: My view is this, the hostages have been there for

546
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Speaker 11: almost seven hundred days. There's a reason that Hamas isn't.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to answer her question?

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Speaker 12: I don't.

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Speaker 11: I don't work for the Israeli government. All I really

550
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Speaker 11: care about is that the hostages come on home. And

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Speaker 11: I have no belief that Hamas that took the hostages,

552
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Speaker 11: that murdered all these people, are ever going to let

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Speaker 11: them go unless they're totally ready.

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Speaker 1: We accept they have.

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Speaker 10: Let them go.

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Speaker 2: Man Anna just cooked his ass in both those exchanges.

557
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Speaker 1: And there's really government. Brother. You got a lot of

558
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Speaker 1: connections there though.

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Speaker 3: You remember during the Iran War, whenever you were down

560
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Speaker 3: there and an Israeli bunker.

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Speaker 1: You can ask them if you want to. You got

562
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Speaker 1: you know, you got your little pin on. You know

563
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Speaker 1: you're in the system. You call them.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure, Are you sure you're not working for

565
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: those Reeli government, because if you're not, then maybe you

566
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: should be get collecting a check, because you're certainly doing

567
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Speaker 2: the dirty work for them. But again, having heard there,

568
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Speaker 2: those are points that very few other CNN guests would

569
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Speaker 2: be I'm not going to say none, but very few

570
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: would be willing to make. And you know, he just

571
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: tries to laugh off this idea. Oh, what you think

572
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Speaker 2: Israel starving the hostages? Lool, It's like, of course they are.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's been so clear. It's really been clear

574
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Speaker 2: from the beginning, but it's been undeniably clear for months

575
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Speaker 2: at this point that not Yahu and his government they

576
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Speaker 2: don't care at all about the hostages. In fact, the

577
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: hostages are a problem for them because you know, when

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Speaker 2: they come back, and you know, when they are brought

579
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Speaker 2: back alive, then they're able to speak about how they

580
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: were terrified that they were going to be bombed and

581
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Speaker 2: murdered by their own government. So no, they don't give

582
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Speaker 2: a shit about the hostages. They know they're starving the hostages.

583
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Speaker 2: Of course they are. When you blockade the whole Gaza

584
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Speaker 2: strip that includes the hostages that are being held there.

585
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Speaker 2: So it's amazing to watch him have to even grapple

586
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Speaker 2: with that point, not to mention the point about the

587
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Speaker 2: West Bank. It's like, okay, well, if this is all

588
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 2: about Hamas, and I think this is a really important

589
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: point that needs to be made more often. If this

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Speaker 2: is just all about Hamas being bad guys, tell me

591
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Speaker 2: about the West Bank. Tell me about why they are

592
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Speaker 2: going forward with this aggressive, illegal settlement plan. Tell me

593
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Speaker 2: why all of these you know, violent settlers are attacking

594
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Speaker 2: and murdering Palestinians in the West Bank with the back

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Speaker 2: of the IDF, with the backing of the government. Tell

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Speaker 2: me about that. Tell me how that has anything to

597
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: do with Hamas. Because when you put all of those

598
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: pieces together, not to mention that the whole greater Israel

599
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 2: and the attacks on all of their surrounding neighbors by

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Speaker 2: and large, then you start to see the bigger picture

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Speaker 2: and the broader plan, and you can no longer stick

602
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Speaker 2: to your dumb ass talking points about like Hamas and

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Speaker 2: the hostages, because we are so far beyond that holding

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Speaker 2: any water. If you actually have the facts at your disposal.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part here, because I do

606
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Speaker 3: want to give everybody an update on Tom Alexandrovitch's case.

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Speaker 3: Can we go ahead and put this up there please

608
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Speaker 3: on the screen. Media was allowed in the courtroom yesterday

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Speaker 3: where some extraordinary stuff happened. So basically, as I'd said before, yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Alexandrovitch had a court appearance basically to respond about the

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Speaker 3: criminal complaint that was just recently filed against him regarding

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Speaker 3: this case where he effectively got caught in an FBI

613
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Speaker 3: joint operation with the local police department where they posed

614
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Speaker 3: as a fifteen year old girl online and which he

615
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Speaker 3: showed up basically to meet with her with the intent

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Speaker 3: to have sex with her.

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Speaker 1: Basically admitted it.

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Speaker 3: He waived his Miranda rights ur in questioning as you

619
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Speaker 3: can all see in the arrest reports which I exclusively

620
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Speaker 3: reported over here. Well since then, after he fled the

621
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Speaker 3: country some twenty days ago after being caught up in

622
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Speaker 3: this sting, he has hired the literally the most powerful

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Speaker 3: lawyer in the state of Nevada, and there was a

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Speaker 3: showdown between that lawyer and the judge.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday his lawyer, David.

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Speaker 3: Chesnoff quote told the court that on Wednesday, his top client,

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Speaker 3: he told his client not to attend the meeting. Quote

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Speaker 3: he was instructed by me that he did not have

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Speaker 3: to be there. The judge very quickly shuts down. David

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Speaker 3: Chesnoff says that suspects released on bond have to quote

631
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Speaker 3: make every court appearance. I am looking at his bond

632
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Speaker 3: documents to indicate court appearance that he was ordered to appear.

633
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Speaker 3: Was today request without anything before the court to wave

634
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Speaker 3: his appearance today is hereby denied. What eventually came after

635
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Speaker 3: some back and forth with the judge is that Alexandrovitch

636
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Speaker 3: will be due for a virtual appearance next week in court.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's the compromise. But remember all of this is

638
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Speaker 3: about the showdown between whether he is ever going to

639
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Speaker 3: return to the United States, because one of the things

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Speaker 3: that Chesnoff actually said is that the state attorney and

641
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Speaker 3: him had quote come to some sort of an agreement.

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Speaker 3: That's what he alluded to from the reporting here in

643
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Speaker 3: the story. And the judge was like, I don't care

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Speaker 3: what kind of agreement you have going on with the state.

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Speaker 3: I'm the judge overseeing this case. This guy has got

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Speaker 3: to appear in my courtroom. So that's the only update

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Speaker 3: that we have so far. But already we're seeing the

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Speaker 3: signs of some sort basically a corrupt bargain. Okay, most

649
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Speaker 3: powerful lawyer in the state of Nevada who donated to

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Speaker 3: the state's attorney. This is a verifiable fact.

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Speaker 1: You can go and look.

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Speaker 3: It was actually a scandal in Vegas back in twenty

653
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Speaker 3: twenty one. They called it paid to play Justice, where

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Speaker 3: they had somebody like this, the high, high powered lawyer who,

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Speaker 3: by the way, went and quote volunteered at a hospital

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Speaker 3: in Israel actor October seventh, got an award for being

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Speaker 3: a friend to the Jewish people, you know, a hog

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Speaker 3: like by his own account in the Las Vegas Review Journal,

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Speaker 3: which is owned by Miriam Adelson, the most powerful pro

660
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Speaker 3: Israel donor in the United States who's written pro Israel

661
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Speaker 3: puff pieces about this lawyer. So let's start with that

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Speaker 3: he's hired by this guy Tom Alexandrovitch. You know, by

663
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Speaker 3: the way, I'd love to know who's paying his bills.

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Speaker 3: And I have sent those questions over to the chestnut's

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Speaker 3: office and they have not returned any of my calls

666
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Speaker 3: or my request for comment. Just so people understand. But

667
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Speaker 3: in the courtroom, it's clear that the judge wants Alexandrovitch

668
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Speaker 3: to appear. He has now agreed to appear virtually. But

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Speaker 3: the question around this is about the conditions of release,

670
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Speaker 3: because previously the cope from the pro Alexander's side was

671
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Speaker 3: he was bailed out, which you are allowed to after

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty bail reform laws in Nevada, without ever appearing

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Speaker 3: before judge. That's why there was the open question why

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Speaker 3: was he allowed to leave? It's like because you can

675
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Speaker 3: just post bail and get out of there. Well, what's

676
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Speaker 3: now clear is with the filing of the criminal complaint

677
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Speaker 3: and now having to appear before the judge, this is

678
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Speaker 3: when the type of restrictions that could typically be imposed

679
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Speaker 3: on an individual for potentially leaving the country, that is when.

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Speaker 3: But the complicating factor is he's not here in the

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Speaker 3: United States of America. He's in Israel, and so it

682
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Speaker 3: very out much opens a question as to whether the

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Speaker 3: state's attorney and the lawyer have reached some sort of

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Speaker 3: agreement and plea, which will very likely, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: lead to probation. The reason why I'm saying that is

686
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Speaker 3: that an interview that the state attorney actually gave to

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Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Reviewed Journal, he floated that yes, well,

688
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: technically is punishable by one to ten years in prison.

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Speaker 3: Probation is also an option, and he said something like, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't really know anything about extradition. I presume that

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Speaker 3: we have extradition treaties. So I dug into that the

692
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Speaker 3: extradition treaty that we have with Israel is one of

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Speaker 3: the most insane things I've ever seen. Prior to nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety nine, they just didn't They did not extradite anybody anybody.

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Speaker 3: What happened is that a seventeen year old murdered another

696
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Speaker 3: kid actually nearby from here in Maryland. His father was Israeli.

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Speaker 3: They flew to Israel. They fled to Israel. This guy

698
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: butchered this other person. The Israelis, because they wouldn't extradite him,

699
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Speaker 3: came up with some novel solution after crazy diplomatic pressure

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Speaker 3: from the Clinton administration, where they would try him for

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Speaker 3: the crime and he would serve out a sentence there.

702
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Speaker 3: But after that they were like, look, this is done.

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Speaker 3: We have to have something done and dusted. In the

704
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Speaker 3: interim period, there's been a number of cases where high

705
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Speaker 3: profile pedophiles here in the United States flee to Israel.

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Speaker 3: And because they're Jewish, they can claim the right of

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Speaker 3: return in Israeli citizenship and they can fight extradition in

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Speaker 3: Israeli court.

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Speaker 1: Chrystal.

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Speaker 3: The most recent example I've found of a prolific pedophile

711
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Speaker 3: charged here in America was it took eleven years to

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Speaker 3: go through the Israeli justice system before he was returned

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Speaker 3: to the United States to face trial. Eleven years. Even

714
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Speaker 3: that sham extradition treaty that we have with Israel basically

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Speaker 3: gives defendants in Israel the right to drag this out

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Speaker 3: out in Israeli court for as long as humanly possible.

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Speaker 3: And that's in the case of somebody who was an

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Speaker 3: American citizen. In this case, we have somebody who is

719
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Speaker 3: an Israeli government official. So it is a major question

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Speaker 3: where without massive diplomatic pressure from the United States, I

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Speaker 3: don't think we will ever see.

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Speaker 1: This guy again on u It's territory.

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Speaker 3: That's my own personal speculation, but all of the facts

724
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Speaker 3: currently indicate that with the sham extradition treaty that we

725
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Speaker 3: have with Israel, it's effectively not one.

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Speaker 1: It basically it might as well not exist.

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Speaker 3: Because eleven years of dragging through justice, especially in a

728
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Speaker 3: case like this one to ten, what's a prosecutor to say,

729
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: is it really worth the millions of dollars, you know,

730
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Speaker 3: to try and fight all his case or should we

731
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Speaker 3: just give him a slap on the risk in probation

732
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Speaker 3: that's most likely, you know, affected what's going to happen,

733
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Speaker 3: And what everyone needs to pay attention to is let's

734
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Speaker 3: compare his sentence or his eventual outcome to what happens

735
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Speaker 3: to the seven other individuals who were all caught up

736
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Speaker 3: in this.

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Speaker 1: One of them was a pastor by the way, Just so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not even words for that.

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Speaker 3: But the point just broadly about the justice is that

741
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Speaker 3: all of those people had criminal complaints filed against them

742
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Speaker 3: almost immediately after the case was made public. Alexandrovitch's criminal

743
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Speaker 3: complaint was not fired up until a couple of days ago,

744
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Speaker 3: almost a week long delay. There's still a major I

745
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: haven't gotten my hands on that yet. It's still inside

746
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Speaker 3: of the court. If anybody has access to it, please

747
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Speaker 3: send it to me. But my point just broadly is

748
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Speaker 3: that the special treatment that this guy has gotten already

749
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: is crazy. Fled to Israel now his lawyer is saying, well,

750
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Speaker 3: I told him and he didn't have to show up.

751
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Speaker 3: You know, I've got some deal with the state's attorney.

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Speaker 3: So everything here stinks. It's thinks to high having it

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Speaker 3: and you know, all of the just the fact that

754
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Speaker 3: he's gone, it almost ties the hands of our justice

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Speaker 3: system at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it's crazy too because in those you know,

757
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Speaker 2: interview notes that you were able to obtain, he's in

758
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Speaker 2: there like I got to catch my flight. It's not

759
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: that he hit it. He's like, I've got a flight.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of here in just a

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Speaker 2: few days. And still he's allowed to allowed to leave.

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Speaker 2: I think, last note on this and then I know, soccer,

763
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Speaker 2: you've got a run, so we'll let you go. We

764
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Speaker 2: have another piece on Epstein that we'll kick to the

765
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Speaker 2: Friday show that's also very interesting. They released a bunch

766
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Speaker 2: of emails between him and a former Israeli Prime minister,

767
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Speaker 2: Aho Brocks. So you definitely want to you definitely want

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Speaker 2: to be there Friday to take a listen to that.

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Speaker 2: But just as a reminder to everyone, when this all unfolded,

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Speaker 2: Netanyahu and his government just utterly and completely lied, like

771
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Speaker 2: provably lied about it. Now they were like, oh, there

772
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: was some issue, and then he returned. They did not

773
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Speaker 2: admit that he was arrested. They certainly didn't admit that

774
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Speaker 2: this was in the context of an FBI sting to

775
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Speaker 2: catch pedophiles who are pursuing, you know what they thought

776
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Speaker 2: to be young girls for sex online. So just one

777
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Speaker 2: more indication of how they will lie about absolutely anything,

778
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Speaker 2: even when they know that the information is going to

779
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Speaker 2: come out and going to be made public. So to me,

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Speaker 2: that's also just an extraordinary piece of this and this

781
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Speaker 2: guy's position in Israel. He's in charge of like cybersecurity

782
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and he's out there serving the Internet

783
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Speaker 2: allegedly for young girls to exploit.

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Speaker 3: He created their cyber iron dome. He is the head

785
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Speaker 3: that was this head of the cyber division. I mean

786
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Speaker 3: remember in the notes I released, he was like, Hey,

787
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Speaker 3: by the way, I'm meeting with the NSA tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: He was like, I was like, oh, okay, got it,

790
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Speaker 3: I'm here for a black cat hacking conference.

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Speaker 2: The information that he likely has access to on can

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Speaker 2: you imagine the number of people probably you at this point, Soger,

793
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's part of what makes the story.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the other reason why mainstream media has

795
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Speaker 2: no interest in touching this one.

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Speaker 3: Hey Tom, bring it on, brother, all right, okay, right,

797
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, at a certain point, it's

798
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: like people need to stand up and to speak out.

799
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Speaker 3: It's the worst type of crime that you can commit

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Speaker 3: in my opinion. And yeah, I mean the fact that

801
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: he's currently he's on the glide path to slap on

802
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: the wrist and everybody in Nevada just wants this case

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Speaker 3: to go away.

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Speaker 1: Props to the judge at.

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Speaker 3: The very least for saying no, no, no, no, no, that's

806
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Speaker 3: not how this works over here. So you know, who

807
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: knows she has to get reelected, wouldn't want to be

808
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be her because I'm sure some anonymous

809
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: donation is going to come in for some election that

810
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: like six hundred people vote in and miraculously, you know something,

811
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: a nice big check will hit for the opponent. But

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Speaker 3: that's the way that our system works. All right, we

813
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Speaker 3: got Jeffrey Stack standing by. Let's get to it. Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry that you know, things are a bit disjoined today.

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Speaker 3: Just I said, personal matter came up. I got to

816
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Speaker 3: head out a little bit early, but thank you Crystal

817
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Speaker 3: as well for holding down the ford.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, And guys, we are going to take

819
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Speaker 2: Labor Day off, so we'll be back soccer and I'd

820
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Speaker 2: be back on Tuesday. And with that we'll get to

821
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Sachs to talk about the very latest with regard

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Speaker 2: to Israel and Gaza. We are very fortunate to be

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Speaker 2: joined this morning by economists and professor at Clemia University,

824
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Sachs. Great to have you again, sir, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: wonderful to be with you, of course. So let's go on,

826
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Speaker 2: guys and put this first element up on the screen. Screen.

827
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Speaker 2: Axios got this scoop that apparently now we've got Tony

828
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Speaker 2: Blair and Jared Kushner involved in some sort of Trump

829
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Speaker 2: Gaza quote unquote post war plans. There is a meeting

830
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Speaker 2: which is set to occur with regard to this as well.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of this?

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Speaker 12: Well, who knows what to make of anything? When Blair,

833
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Speaker 12: Kushner and Trump get together, that is really a holy alliance.

834
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Speaker 12: But this is not the way to any solution right now.

835
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Speaker 12: The way to a solution lies in immediately ending the

836
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Speaker 12: genocide that's underway, the mass starvation that's underway, which the

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Speaker 12: US again denied yesterday in the UN Security Council, which

838
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Speaker 12: Israel has denied, but which the whole world sees before

839
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Speaker 12: our eyes, that at least half a million people are

840
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Speaker 12: being starved to death right now before our eyes. And

841
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Speaker 12: so this has nothing to do with Kushner and Blair.

842
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Speaker 12: This has to do with the ending a genocide. It

843
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Speaker 12: has to do with the creating a state of Palestine immediately,

844
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Speaker 12: and it has to do with this absolutely fascist government

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Speaker 12: in Israel being stopped by the United Nations.

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Speaker 6: As somebody who follows Global South politics pretty closely, including

847
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Speaker 6: you know, Russia and China, India as well, India's separate

848
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Speaker 6: case here, When is the world going to do anything

849
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Speaker 6: about what's happening in Gaza? I think the UN obviously

850
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Speaker 6: has the United States sitting on the Security Council and

851
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Speaker 6: will veto it, but it feels like there's been very

852
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Speaker 6: little pressure brought to bear from the Global South. And

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Speaker 6: South Africa obviously took Israel to the ICC and was joined,

854
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Speaker 6: you know, at some significant risk by a number of

855
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Speaker 6: other countries from.

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Speaker 7: The Global South. But that's about it.

857
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Speaker 6: Like is there no countervailing force that exists on a

858
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Speaker 6: kind of just moral and ethical level willing to push

859
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Speaker 6: back against this genocide? And other where is it If

860
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: the Chinese and the Russians don't see it in their

861
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Speaker 6: specific national interests, are they okay to just sit back

862
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Speaker 6: and allow a genocide to unfold? Is that the realist

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Speaker 6: politics that we live in. Am I too naive to

864
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Speaker 6: expect that. I'm like, there's got to be somebody who's

865
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Speaker 6: going to do something about this, but there isn't.

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Speaker 7: Like what if I can from.

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Speaker 4: I think that there are.

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Speaker 12: Probably three arenas that we should consider. First is the

869
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Speaker 12: battlefield itself, where Israel is mass murdering the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 12: I don't expect any of the regional powers to land

871
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Speaker 12: troops or to be in a direct war over this issue.

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Speaker 12: So I don't expect Russia or China or any of

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Speaker 12: the Arab countries to land troops and open a war

874
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Speaker 12: with Israel. The second area is on the diplomatic front.

875
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 12: Every single day there is a worldwide condemnation of Israel,

876
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 12: some of which gets reported in the US, most of

877
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 12: which does not. The Security Council meeting yesterday was an

878
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 12: overwhelming condemnation of Israel's genocide and starvation, but it doesn't

879
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 12: get even mentioned. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation had a

880
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 12: meeting in Jedda on August twenty fifth condemning this. That's

881
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 12: fifty seven Muslim majority countries. The Bricks condemned this routinely. China, Russia, Brazil,

882
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 12: India condemned this routinely. It doesn't get picked up, so

883
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 12: they don't intervene on the battlefield. But they are not

884
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 12: sitting back or complacent or winking at Israel, but they

885
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 12: don't do more, let's say, than condemnation. The third would

886
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 12: be an increasing set of measures that I think should

887
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 12: be taken. I think Israel is courting suspension from the

888
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 12: UN General Assembly. I would recommend it because I believe

889
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 12: that this is a completely lawless, murderous, genocidal regime. I

890
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 12: don't think there's any other country in the world remotely

891
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 12: doing what Israel is doing in terms of the violence

892
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 12: and the mass murder and the mass starvation. So there

893
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 12: could be Israel suspension from the UN.

894
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: This was.

895
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 12: At least raised at the OIC meeting. There could be

896
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 12: a break of diplomatic relations, which I think should be

897
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 12: in the cards, there could be a suspension or end

898
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 12: of the so called Abraham Accords. Remember, of course, I

899
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 12: think everyone knows the US military is all over the

900
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 12: Middle East. In a way, the Middle Eastern countries often

901
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 12: feel more like occupied countries than they do with sovereigns.

902
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 12: They worry that if they are too vocal, the United

903
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 12: States will do something overthrow their regimes, fo men to unrest,

904
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 12: do the things that the United States covert operations do

905
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 12: for a living. So I think that there is some

906
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 12: trepidation there. But the fact of the matter is both

907
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 12: the Arab League and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and

908
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 12: most other groups in the world, and I would say

909
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 12: the UN General Assembly more than one hundred and eighty

910
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 12: of the one hundred and ninety three countries are openly aghassed.

911
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 12: But I think stronger measures are needed right now. And

912
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 12: these are measures that might be blocked if it's through

913
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 12: the UN, but could be taken by dozens or well

914
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 12: over one hundred countries on their own, breaking diplomatic relations,

915
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 12: putting on boycotts and sanctions. Israel is completely out of control.

916
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 12: Mass starvation is not an acceptable policy for the world.

917
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 12: It should not be tolerated one moment longer.

918
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: And what do you make of the American politics. There's

919
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: just a poll that came out yesterday. I want to

920
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: have an element for a but, and I don't know

921
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: if you saw it or not, but seventy seven percent

922
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: of Democratic voters say this is a genocide, you know,

923
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an overwhelming consensus among the Democratic base,

924
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: and yet you only have a handful of Democrats who

925
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: are willing to say it. The leadership of the Democratic

926
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: Party had Kee Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer and the like

927
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: are still very much, you know, anything for Israel and

928
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 2: whatever APAC wants us to do. And look, I don't

929
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: expect these people to be moral actors, but you would

930
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: think at some point there would be a political calculation,

931
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: like a cynical politic calculation that occurs. And it's genuinely

932
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: perplexing to me at this point that that hasn't happened. Obviously,

933
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: understand you the money of APAC and their affiliates Democratic

934
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: majority for Israel, et cetera, But it still doesn't seem

935
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: like that would be sufficient to keep them from seizing

936
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: what is a genuine, wide open, obvious political imperative and

937
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: political opening in the landscape. What is your assessment of

938
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: what keeps these politicians so tied to the status quo

939
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: with regard to, you know, Israel and their commitment to

940
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: allowing Israel and facilitating Israel's commitment to this genocide.

941
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 12: This is an excellent and very important question, and it

942
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 12: starts with the fact that in foreign policy, public opinion

943
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 12: plays almost no role in the United States in general.

944
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 12: That's true across wars, that's true across almost all of

945
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 12: the issues that we have.

946
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: A foreign policy.

947
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 12: This is an executive branch, largely covert. It's very heavily

948
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 12: CIA and national security driven rather than any publicly driven

949
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 12: decision making.

950
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 4: Congress is pretty.

951
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 12: Much useless across the board in foreign policy and has

952
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 12: been for a long time. Of course, the Congress is

953
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 12: suborned by the military industrial complex to begin with, by

954
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 12: the military contractors. And then there are the specific issues

955
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 12: of Israel, so you mentioned, of course the biggest one,

956
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 12: which is the Zionist lobby Apak and others. There's just

957
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 12: a tremendous amount buying of votes and corruption and threats

958
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 12: against individual congressman. I'm sure that the Epstein files play

959
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 12: some role in this Epstein was a Masad agent, and

960
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 12: there's no doubt that there's blackmail involved in this in

961
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 12: some way or another that we don't fully know. The

962
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 12: CIA Mosad relationship dates back many, many decades. Mosad does

963
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 12: murders on behalf of the CIA. They deeply share intelligence.

964
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 12: The CIA is the single most powerful agent of our

965
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 12: foreign policy. And so this is not only the Israel

966
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 12: lobby because after all, by the way, the Jewish community

967
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 12: is profoundly unhappy with what's happening. Of course, there are

968
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 12: Jews that support Israel, but there's a vast community of

969
00:52:53,280 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 12: Jews that is completely aghast and disgusted and also reviled

970
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 12: at what Israel is doing. Because Israel claims to do

971
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 12: it in the name of world jewelry, that is an obscenity.

972
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 12: I would say, Israel is doing it in the face

973
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 12: of opposition of world Jewelry. So this is another element

974
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 12: the CIA Mossad lincolns that go quite strongly. They are

975
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 12: very powerful in Silicon Valley right now. Palanteer is the

976
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 12: AI murder inc Company of the world. It does the targeting.

977
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 12: We know that Microsoft and many other companies are deeply

978
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 12: involved with Israel. There's a lot of money in all

979
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 12: of this. The Israeli stock market has been up during

980
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 12: this war, so there's a lot of corruption, blackmail, campaign finance,

981
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 12: a deep STATEI Mosad relations. But I have to tell you,

982
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 12: saying all of that, it's still shocking. It's still shocking

983
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 12: because we don't have genocides before our eyes this way,

984
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 12: all recorded, day by day, all with the thank you

985
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 12: of the Israeli ministers Smotrich and Ben Gavier, every day

986
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 12: explaining that it's the genocide, making no bones about it,

987
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 12: being very explicit about it.

988
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: So your question.

989
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 12: Hangs there even after all of the explanations. It is

990
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 12: a puzzle. How corrupt can America be? We're plumbing new

991
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 12: depths basically.

992
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 7: Jerlie, while we have you, I wanted to.

993
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 6: Ask you about the newest piece from you that I

994
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 6: read that may not be the most recent piece that

995
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 6: you wrote, but called a new foreign policy for Europe

996
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 6: in the Horizons magazine, taking a look at the historical

997
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 6: relationship between Europe and Russia and envisioning a new kind

998
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 6: of path out that doesn't involve Europe constantly invading Russia,

999
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 6: and then at the same time having this fear that

1000
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 6: Russia's going to invade them. Can you talk a little

1001
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 6: bit about what do you lay out this vision that

1002
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 6: you presented here and what's been the reaction to it?

1003
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 12: Basically Russia for more than two hundred years, going back

1004
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 12: to Napoleon, certainly including Hitler, including the remilitarization of Germany

1005
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 12: by the United States after World War Two, in the

1006
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 12: years immediately following Nazism, and by the way, bringing a

1007
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 12: lot of Nazis to leadership of West Germany, including the

1008
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 12: new intelligence agencies led by the chief Nazi intelligence official

1009
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 12: for Hitler for Eastern Europe Galen.

1010
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 4: The Russian said, what are you doing? You know again, we.

1011
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 12: Just lost twenty seven million people. The Western idea going

1012
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 12: back absolutely to Napoleon in his invasion in eighteen twelve,

1013
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 12: going to Palmerston and Napoleon three and there invasion of

1014
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 12: Russia in eighteen fifty three, going to Germany's attack and

1015
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 12: war on Russia in August nineteen fourteen, going to Hitler's

1016
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 12: invasion in nineteen forty one, and then going to the

1017
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 12: creation of this military machine of Germany.

1018
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: After World War Two.

1019
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 12: There's never been an honest moment of discussion about what

1020
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 12: a real security arrangement in Europe would be that respects

1021
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 12: Russia's security as well as Europe's Western europe security. Russia

1022
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 12: is to an important extent Europe, but I'm talking about

1023
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 12: the non Russian western part of Europe, and that's what

1024
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 12: has been needed all along. But the United States has refused.

1025
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 12: The British, which ran the world up until basically World

1026
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 12: War Two, were completely Rusophobic from the eighteen forties onward,

1027
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 12: and then the United States took over in nineteen forty five,

1028
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 12: and our goal from nineteen forty five onward was first

1029
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 12: to defeat the Soviet Union. And then I watched with

1030
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 12: my own eyes in shock by the way, after nineteen

1031
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 12: ninety one that our goal continued to be even after

1032
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 12: the Soviet Union was over, Communism was over, and so

1033
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 12: forth our goal continued to be, now we defeat and

1034
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 12: divide Russia.

1035
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: Well.

1036
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 12: Eventually, after so much provocation, with the US being the

1037
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 12: major impetus to a coup in Ukraine and twenty fourteen expanding,

1038
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 12: NATO dissing a peace agreement called the MINS two Agreement

1039
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 12: in twenty fifteen and so forth, eventually it came to

1040
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 12: full scale war. And then when it did in February

1041
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 12: twenty two, after maybe you could say one hundred and

1042
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 12: eighty years of provocation, or maybe you could just say

1043
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 12: thirty years of provocation, or maybe you could say eight

1044
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 12: years of provocation from the Maidan Kup. Then we said,

1045
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 12: you see Russia unprovoked expansionism. It's unbelievable how primitive this

1046
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 12: discussion is. I once counted between February twenty twenty two

1047
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 12: and February twenty twenty three, I had an assistant count

1048
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 12: the number of times that the New York Times used

1049
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 12: the word unprovoked to characterize the Ukraine War. And it

1050
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 12: was twenty six times that we were able to count

1051
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 12: that in the opinion pages of the New York Times.

1052
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 12: So basically, there's a propaganda war. Now Europe is so

1053
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 12: devoid of sense and diplomacy. Trump, this is not exactly,

1054
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 12: mister diplomat. There's just confusion, and the war will continue

1055
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 12: until the confusion is sorted out. So what I've been

1056
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 12: saying to the Europeans who don't like my saying it,

1057
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 12: but I'm going to keep saying it, is they need

1058
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 12: diplomacy with Russia, not through the White House. They don't

1059
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 12: have to meet Zelensky, who rules by martial law. In

1060
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 12: a complete contradiction to the real interests of Ukraine and

1061
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 12: to the public opinion in Ukraine, which wants this war

1062
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 12: to end because they're suffering in Ukraine. The Europeans meet

1063
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 12: with Zelenski a thousand times, but they don't meet with

1064
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 12: Putin once, and this is what passed in this pathetic

1065
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 12: way for foreign policy right now, So my article is

1066
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 12: do something different. Talk directly with your counterparts. Understand that

1067
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 12: there are real security issues that need to be solved.

1068
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 12: One other thing I might add, which is almost never

1069
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 12: mentioned but absolutely at the top of mind for Russia

1070
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 12: for more than twenty years, is that in two thousand

1071
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 12: and two, the United States unilaterally abandoned the Anti Ballistic

1072
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 12: Missile Treaty. From Russia's point of view, that was a

1073
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 12: threat of a decapitation strike by the United States, because

1074
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 12: the idea of the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty was to

1075
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 12: prevent a decapitation strike by making it plain that there

1076
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 12: would be a credible deterrent a second strike. But with

1077
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 12: the anti ballistic missiles, a decapitation strike becomes a possibility.

1078
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 12: So the russ said, after two thousand and two, you

1079
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 12: have completely destabilized the nuclear Arms Control Framework. It's in

1080
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 12: that context that the United States was pushing missile systems

1081
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 12: in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These agias

1082
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 12: anti ballistic missile systems overthrew the government in Ukraine, built

1083
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 12: a one million person man army in Ukraine under Trump,

1084
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 12: by the way, he calls himself the man a piece.

1085
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 12: He armed Ukraine in the first term to a million

1086
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 12: man army, the biggest army in Europe. And then in

1087
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Speaker 12: twenty nineteen, Trump walked out of the Intermediate Nuclear Force Treaty,

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Speaker 12: basically destroying the nuclear arms control framework while also pushing

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Speaker 12: missile systems and US military bases up to Russia. Knows

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Speaker 12: this is why we're in such a dangerous, unstable mode,

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Speaker 12: and there's such lack of clarity and honesty for one

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Speaker 12: moment in any of this. Trump, by the way, one

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Speaker 12: of many many weaknesses, but one of his great weaknesses

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Speaker 12: is the confusion of speaking truthfully to the American people

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Speaker 12: in a speech, for example, which he never gives, versus

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Speaker 12: a truth social post with eight exclamation points in capital letters,

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Speaker 12: which is not the same thing as trying to explain

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Speaker 12: what is happening and how we get out of this

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Speaker 12: he probably doesn't have the capacity to do what needs

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Speaker 12: to be done just at an individual level. But we

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Speaker 12: lack any clear understanding, and that's why there is so

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Speaker 12: much instability, and Washington is is completely incoherent because there

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Speaker 12: is no clarity of policy from one moment to the next.

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Speaker 2: Professor, last question for me. Let's say, you know, going

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Speaker 2: back to Israel and Gaza. Let's say the world does

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Speaker 2: nothing and this final solution is allowed to just unfold.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean for the future of the world.

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Speaker 12: The world is in the most dangerous state since the

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Speaker 12: end of World War Two, and the doomsday clock, which

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Speaker 12: portrays how close we are to armageddon, puts the clock

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Speaker 12: at eighty nine seconds to midnight, the closest that it's

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Speaker 12: been since the clock was unveiled in nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 4: We have no rules of the road.

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Speaker 12: Right now, we have no clarity, we have no consistency

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Speaker 12: of policy, and Western values has been exposed to mean

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Speaker 12: open genocide. So I would say that we're in an

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Speaker 12: extraordinarily dangerous world. And Trump, who in his delusion calls

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Speaker 12: himself a president of peace, is complicit in an open

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Speaker 12: genocide that the world sees. And I travel all over

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Speaker 12: the world all the time. Everybody knows. Everybody knows what's

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Speaker 12: happening right now, and this is a tremendous, tremendous risk

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Speaker 12: to global security and to any place of the United

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Speaker 12: States in the international system which is being squandered. I

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Speaker 12: think it's also a fundamental risk to Israel's survival. Israel

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Speaker 12: banks in higherly on the United States for its survival

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Speaker 12: because virtually every other country in the world is a

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Speaker 12: gas at the crimes that Israel is committing, and because

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Speaker 12: as you pointed out, the American people are also aghast.

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Speaker 12: It's a pretty pretty slender and fragile thing to depend

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Speaker 12: on the United States when public opinion is against you

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Speaker 12: as your sole source for survival. So I think Israel

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Speaker 12: has put itself at absolutely mortal risk. Of course, it's

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Speaker 12: mass murdering the Palestinian So I'm not expressing that in sympathy.

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Speaker 12: I'm just stating a fact that this is wildly against

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Speaker 12: Israel's security interests.

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Speaker 2: Well, Professor Sachs, is always a privilege to get to

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Speaker 2: speak with you. Thank you so much for spending some

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Speaker 2: time with us.

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Speaker 4: A pleasure to be with you. Likewise, thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, thank you so much for watching today, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: thank you for jumping in last minute, hanging out out

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Speaker 2: with me for a few of these blocks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my pleasure. Always happy to hop on for a

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Speaker 7: soccer crisis moment.

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Speaker 6: Did you say anything crazy that we need to that

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Speaker 6: we need to clean up by the way, need to.

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Speaker 2: Talk me to talk shit about while he's not here.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think we kept it on

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Speaker 2: the rails more or less for today. Hope you got tomorrow, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: Friday Share tomorrow, and then long weekend. We are going

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Speaker 2: to take Monday off, so everybody enjoyed that, and then

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Speaker 2: Soger and I will be back here Tuesday. Everybody have

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Speaker 2: a great day and we'll see you soon.