1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. You're listening to the 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: noon Eastern on Applecarplay and then Rounoto with the Bloomberg 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Business App. Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts, 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: or watch us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: Return to our other top story here, and it brings 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: us to the Supreme Court oral arguments now underway a 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: couple of hours now in Trump versus Anderson. This is 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: the ballot access case, not to be confused with the 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: one about presidential immunity. We're waiting to hear likely from 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court on that as well. But what we 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: haven't gotten that far yet today is about primary ballot 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: access after he was removed from the ballot by the 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Colorado Supreme Court. 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: This brings us back to December. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: This is a case involving the Fourteenth Amendment and it 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: has to do with Donald Trump actually engaged in and 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: that's the appropriate term to use here, insurrection. Dave Ehrenberg's 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: got his eyes on this from his perch in Florida. 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: The Palm Beach County State Attorney is with us now 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: and David's great to see you it's been a minute. 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: I wonder if you can just first before we analyze 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: all of this, and we don't need to relitigate what 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: happened on January sixth, I want to understand what are 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: the questions that the justices are trying to ask here, whether, 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: in fact, beginning with the big one, whether in fact 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: Donald Trump engaged in insurrection. 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: How do you answer that question? 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: Well, Joe, good to be with you. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 5: As expected, the justices are largely avoiding that question. Instead, 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 5: they're dealing with larger constitutional issues such as did the 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 5: framers intend that states would go ahead and do this 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 5: on their own or would Congress have to pass a law? 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 5: Is the Fourteenth Amendment self executing? And although I think 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: in the end they will probably say that the fourteenth 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 5: Amendment is self executing, meaning you don't need Congress to 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: make it happen, there is still section five of the 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 5: fourteenth Amendment which says that Congress shall enforce this section. 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 5: So what I think the Court's going to do is 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 5: they're going to punt and they're going to say, hey, Congress, 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 5: do your job. Pass some uniform laws so we don't 42 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 5: have fifty different states going in fifty different directions because 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 5: even the liberal justices were worried that Colorado as one state, 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 5: could decide the election for the whole country and they 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 5: didn't want mass chaos. So I think, to me, the 46 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 5: only question I have is whether this will be a 47 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 5: unanimous nine zero opinion that overturns the Colorado Supreme Court case, 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 5: or will it be eight to one with Justice Soda 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 5: Mayor of dissenting, Because it seems like even the liberal justices, 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 5: with the exception of possibly Soda Mayor, are going to 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: go along with the majority of the conservatives on this one. 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: Interesting. This is. 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: A pretty interesting moment for this court, and I know 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: that at least the conventional wisdom is they want to 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: be very careful here. The fourteenth Amendment really just about 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: the Civil War, Dave, because a lot of people seem 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: to think so. 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 5: Well, it's about preventing insurrectionists from getting into power again. 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: I mean, it was. 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 5: Written in response to the Civil War, but then it 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 5: was not meant just to pertain to that. This was 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: meant to pertain to any traders in government. They didn't 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 5: want any future insurrectionists, any traders to be elected to office. 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 5: People who were in office at the time of an 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 5: insurrection and then later tried to stay in office. 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: They didn't want those folks. 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 5: Now, one question, one issue that Trump's layers are making 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 5: is that they want him to be exempt from the 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: Fourteenth Amendment because they'd like to say that the Fourteenth Amendment, 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 5: Section three does not include the president. So what they're 71 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: trying to say is that the framers of the amendment 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 5: were so worried about having insurrectionists lead the way in 73 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 5: our government except for being president. Like they could be senators, 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 5: they can be. They don't want them to be senators. 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 5: They don't want to be congressmen. But it's okay or 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 5: an insurrection is to be the president. That defies common sense. 77 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 5: So I think that argument is a loser for Trump's side. 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 5: I think ultimately, though, the Supreme Court is going to say, 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 5: come on, we can't have fifty different states going in 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 5: fifty different directions. 81 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: This would be mass chaos. 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 5: Let Congress establish some uniform set of rules here. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: If the Court David has to consider whether Donald Trump 84 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: engaged in an insurrection, it also has to establish whether 85 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: January sixth was an insurrection. 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 5: Right, they don't actually have to go into whether Trump 87 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 5: engage in insurrection. That would be an embarrassing review because look, 88 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: all the justices in Colorado, even the one trial court 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 5: judge that rule for Trump, all agree that he engage 90 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: in insurrection. The Supreme Court is not going to tackle that. 91 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 5: They're going to avoid it, and they're just going to 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: do with constutional issues because if they did deal with it, 93 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 5: it would get really messy, and they don't have to. 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 5: They don't like to get their hands dirty where they 95 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 5: don't have to. One thing I musty, Joe, is that 96 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 5: I'm a little disturbed that Justice Clarence Thomas not only 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 5: is sitting on the bench for this case despite what 98 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 5: seems to me having a conflict because his wife was 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: part of the whole insurrection attempt, but he also asked 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 5: the very first question from the bench. 101 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 4: And so it just shows. 102 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: You why so many people have a low estimation of 103 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 5: the High Court. 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: Dick Durbin had called on him that share of the 105 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee in the Senate to do that very thing 106 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: and recuse himself by Monday. Dave Ehrenberg, Donald Trump is 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: also expected, and it could come before then to ask 108 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court to rule on this immunity claim. 109 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: Where do you see that going. 110 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think he's going to lose there. 111 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 5: But the question is how long will the Supreme Court 112 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 5: take to act. Now, they could just accept the review 113 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: or accept the petition and then deny the review, and 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 5: hopefully that'll happen because that will speed things up and 115 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 5: then we can get to the trial before the election. 116 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 5: On the other hand, they could sit on it and 117 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 5: they could review it, and they could make it impossible 118 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 5: to try this case before the election. It's all in 119 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: the hands of the Supreme Court. My best guess is 120 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 5: that they don't want to wade into this one much either, 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 5: especially because the DC Circuit Court of Appeals issued a 122 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 5: very comprehensive, very strong opinion that I think the Supreme 123 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 5: Court is. 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: Just going to defer to. 125 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 5: And when that happens, because I think it's a when, 126 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: I think, then it's game on in DC and Judge 127 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 5: Chuckkin is going to move forward with that trial for 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 5: election interference, perhaps sometime in the late spring. 129 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: So what's the most likely scenario then, as you just outline, 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court decides to not take up the case 131 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: and just just let it lie where it is in 132 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: the appeals court, or they in fact uphold that ruling. 133 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 5: Is there a difference, Yes, One is whether they take 134 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 5: it up, which is called cerciori or CERT. Well, they 135 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 5: grant CERT, you need four judge justices is to grant 136 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: CERT out of the nine. I don't think they're going 137 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: to grant it because of the strength of the lower 138 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 5: court ruling, but they could, and then if they do, 139 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 5: then there'll be a built in stay and then we 140 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 5: wait for an opinion on the merits, and that would 141 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 5: take a lot longer. So a lot depends, not necessarily 142 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 5: how they will rule, because I don't think there's a 143 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 5: chance in the world they're going to give a president 144 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 5: absolute immunity like Trump is seeking. 145 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 4: But Trump's ttrategy really is delayed, delayed delay. 146 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 5: And if they grant CERT and they take a long 147 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 5: time to review and make a decision, then Trump will 148 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: win by losing. 149 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: Wow, do you have timeline in mind? 150 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: I know you must hate being asked that, because nobody 151 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: knows what the heck the Supreme Court is going to do. 152 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: It can do whatever it wants, but will it be. 153 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: Compelled to rule quickly on both of these Fourteenth amendments 154 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: and presidential immunity? 155 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 5: Yes, they see what's going on just like the rest 156 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 5: of us. They know how important this is to get 157 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 5: this done before the election, and I think they want to. 158 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: I mean, just Chief Justice Roberts cares so deeply about 159 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 5: the legitimacy of the Court. He wants people to buy 160 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 5: into the Court as an a political institution. But if 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 5: they sit on their hands and delay this thing so 162 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 5: that he cannot be tried until after the election, they 163 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 5: will look very political. So I think the Chief Justice 164 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: is going to make sure this happens sooner than later. 165 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 5: And I do believe that the two cases and only 166 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 5: two cases involving Trump that will be heard before the 167 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 5: election will be the DC case in front of Judge 168 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: chuck In. I think that's the most powerful of the 169 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 5: two cases. And then the second case, I think the 170 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 5: New York case involving the Stormy Daniels hush money payments, 171 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 5: will be heard before the election. The other two criminal cases, 172 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 5: the mar Lago documents case, which I do believe is 173 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 5: the strongest of all the cases, that's got Judge. 174 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 4: Cannon, and she's slow walking that case. 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: That's not going to be heard before the election, and 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 5: the Fulton County case with all the issues with Fannie 177 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 5: Willis and conflicts and all the complex Rico issues that's 178 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 5: not going to be heard before the election either. 179 00:08:59,400 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: Amazing. 180 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that off the top 181 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: of your head. Still great insights from Dave Ahrenberg. Let 182 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: us know when you're back in the capitol. Palm Beach 183 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: County State Attorney with us here on Balance of Power. 184 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington with a lot more straight ahead. 185 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast kens 186 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: just live weekdays at noon Eastern on Applecarplay and then 187 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: roud Oto with the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 188 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station, 189 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 190 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 6: Here we are indeed on both Bloomberg Television and radio. 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 6: Thank you so much as always, and Joe, we were 192 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 6: just discussing here on set the idea that so much 193 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 6: has happened over the course of just a few days 194 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 6: after months of build up, months it took to actually 195 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 6: get the text of the deal that would combine border 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 6: security with aid for US allies. It was launched or 197 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 6: released on Sunday, fell apart almost instantly finally was killed 198 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 6: for real last night, and then we see I guess 199 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 6: a resurrection of at least parts of the package that 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 6: were not border security related. Now pass it cloture on 201 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 6: the Senate floor. 202 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: Well done, that's what is that? 203 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: An accurate summary? 204 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 7: Yeah? 205 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: Look, the ambassador to Ukraine is in town today, the 206 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: ambassador Ukrainian ambassador to the US. To be clear, We're 207 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 2: going to spend some time with her later. This is 208 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: a critical moment for Ukraine. We know it's a critical 209 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: moment for Israel. No one talks about Taiwan in this bill. Yeah, 210 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: but apparently the border provisions that Republicans demanded turned out 211 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: to be the poison pill for Republicans and that's getting 212 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: to be hard to decipher. 213 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 6: Yes, it is confusing to the point you raised a 214 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 6: few minutes ago, though, as Chuck Schumer just pointed out 215 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 6: the possibility potentially of amendments to this bill, perhaps you 216 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 6: could see some border related measures put back in after 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 6: they were killed us. 218 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you figure that out. You let us know. 219 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: Maybe Megan's gully will look, Megan was just cranking on 220 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: this story in the newsroom about two minutes ago. The 221 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: story that you'll read on this terminal in online and 222 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: is with us now. She helps to run our congressional 223 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: coverage here at Bloomberg. This is like the hand of 224 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: the end of the horror movie that comes popping out 225 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: of the water, maybe with one limb another limb missing 226 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: in this case. If it passed the procedural vote, does 227 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: that indicate that it will pass the full Senate. 228 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 8: Yes, it most likely will pass the full Senate. They 229 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 8: overcome the major hurdle. The issue, though, is what happens 230 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 8: in the House. It needs to pass the House too, 231 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 8: and we've already heard from Speaker Johnson that he will 232 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 8: not bring this bill up. They're still clinging in the House. 233 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 8: So House Republicans to their much stricter border language, and 234 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 8: they're saying, we're not doing anything on this until we 235 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 8: get what we want on the border. What was in 236 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 8: the very short lived deal that we saw Sunday and 237 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 8: that was ultimately killed yesterday doesn't go further far enough 238 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 8: for them, but it's dead on arrival with Democrats. The 239 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 8: Republican language. 240 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 6: HR two is what we're talking about, the border bill 241 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 6: that they passed months ago, that never even got a 242 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 6: vote on the Senate floor. Why not just put it 243 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 6: up for a vote and see if it passes, because 244 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 6: theoretically it wouldn't get the requisite support of sixty votes 245 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 6: in the Senate, right, so why not just call the bluff. 246 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 8: Well, anytime you put something on the floor, people are 247 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 8: taking risks right when they especially in an election year, 248 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 8: when they vote. So if you are Kirson Cinema, for instance, 249 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 8: who hasn't yet decided whether she's running for reelection or not, 250 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 8: she's from a border state, this is a huge issue 251 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 8: in her district. She doesn't want to vote on the 252 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 8: Republican only bill because that then could be used against 253 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 8: her as a vote against immigration changes. So I think 254 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 8: that a lot of that, a lot of this election 255 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 8: year politics is what's factoring in here. This is why 256 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 8: things don't tend to get done, particularly in presidential election 257 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 8: yeers on. 258 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: Capitol Hill, Steve Danes, who chairs the NRSC, is telling 259 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: members to vote against this or was and I suspect 260 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: he will again if this comes to the floor, which 261 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: we expect that it will, well that end up having 262 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: a corrosive effect here as he reminds these members they 263 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: want to run on the border if you vote for this, 264 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: and of course we don't know what changes might go 265 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: into the bill. You're effectively telling people that you're good 266 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: for this with this money going out the door without 267 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: securing the border. 268 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 4: Yeah. 269 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 8: So Steve Danes has a much different mandate than Mitch McConnell, 270 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 8: per se. He's trying to protect these Republicans who are 271 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 8: running and immigration is becoming quickly the top issue, particularly 272 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 8: in these border states, as our own polling has demonstrated. 273 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 8: So what Steve Danes is saying is we don't want 274 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 8: to have these candidates in a position where they're making 275 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 8: a vote that can come back to haunt them in 276 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 8: the general election. If you're Mitch McConnell, you're thinking he's 277 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 8: made statements on the floor on an almost daily basis 278 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 8: on the need to get money to Ukraine. That is 279 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 8: what he is being driven by as well, as you know, 280 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 8: from his standpoint, this is the direct that they need 281 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 8: to go in order to keep the Senate in November. 282 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 8: You have different, you have different. 283 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: But that can change votes. 284 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 8: Yes, yes, oh sure. If you're running for re election 285 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 8: in the swing state and the chairman of the Republican 286 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 8: Committee there is telling you this is not a great Yeah, 287 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 8: you might listen. 288 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 6: Well, and that speaks to what you were talking about earlier, 289 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 6: not just with Senator Cinema, but if you're Shared Brown 290 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 6: or John Tester, who are in these potentially flippable seats, 291 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 6: then it's probably pretty difficult for you to vote against 292 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 6: any vorder related measure. Absolutely, there's another individual I want 293 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 6: to raise here because you talked about days, who potentially 294 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 6: will encourage people to vote against this. Rand Paul is 295 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 6: suggesting that this is not something he's going to allow 296 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 6: to happen in a quick manner, because sure, you need 297 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 6: sixty votes to pass a bill, but the way the 298 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 6: Senate works, you need unanimous consent to do so quickly. Yes, 299 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: So what kind of timeline realistically are we looking out 300 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 6: here if he makes good on that threat. 301 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 8: So we're coming up on a two week recess for 302 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 8: the Senate, and as I've said before, the smell of 303 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 8: jet fumes is a powerful motivator on Capitol Hill. I'm 304 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 8: not making any plans for Saturday. 305 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: I will say that I think that the. 306 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 8: Senate will be in and working probably that day. 307 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: Well, keep that in mind. We'll be here too, maybe. 308 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: Megan Scully, thank you great reporting. Help us figure this 309 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: out as we make our way through it, because it's 310 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: getting to be pretty complicated. We haven't talked about a 311 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: funding bill either, Kaylee before Oh, there's that three weeks 312 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: from now a government shutdown could be starting partial partial 313 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: shutdown by the eighth, maybe full shutdown. I just don't 314 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: know if this is a crowd that's going to be 315 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: in the business of writing spending bills between now and then. 316 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 6: Well, if you can't pass a bipartisan piece of legislation 317 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 6: that actually was pretty much negotiated over the course of 318 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 6: months actively versus spending bills that I'm not really sure 319 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: anyone's actively working on because we're all focused on this 320 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 6: kind of stuff, how are you going to get it 321 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 6: together in a couple of weeks with enough. 322 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: How about that enough support? 323 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I look, maybe I'm a skeptic. 324 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: Let's put that aside for now. 325 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 6: Well, and keeping in mind that after next Tuesday, the 326 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 6: margin in the House could be different. Speaker Mike Johnson's 327 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 6: already having difficulty getting things done, and yet, uh. 328 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: What if Tom Swazi is the next memory of the House, 329 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: which is entirely possible. And the reason why Kaylee points 330 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: to this is because we're yeah, we've got an election 331 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: next week, and there are new numbers out today. This 332 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: is the first credible poll we've seen on New York Three. 333 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: It's coming from Sienna College. Did you see these numbers? 334 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: It's pretty close, actually, Kaylee, and Sienna is working with 335 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: Newsday on this. Remember this is the seat held by 336 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: George Santos. Tom Swazi in this poll leads Mazi Pillup 337 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: by only four. 338 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 6: Points, yes, forty eight to forty four, so. 339 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: Pretty close to within the margin here. If you're watching 340 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg TV or on YouTube, you can see what 341 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: we're talking about here. As we turn to Don Levy 342 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: for his experience. You know, Don was rated the nation's 343 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 2: top polster by ABC and five thirty eight. 344 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: That is quite a distinction. Don. 345 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: It's great to have you with us here on Bloomberg. 346 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. What's going to happen next 347 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: week in New York three? 348 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 7: Close rays, As you point out right now, in our poll, 349 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 7: we have Tom Swazi, the former congressman, up by four 350 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 7: points over Mazzi Pillop, the Republican challenger who has a 351 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 7: really engaging biography. And when we start to break this 352 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 7: down by you know, where voters think these candidates are 353 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 7: going to be better. You have opposite sides of the coin. 354 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 7: Voters tend to feel as though Mazzi Pillup is better 355 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 7: on the issue of immigration, you know what in New 356 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 7: York is called the influx of migrants. Also on taxes, 357 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 7: they prefer Pillop to Swazi. But you flip that around 358 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 7: and Swase has an enormous lead amongst voters on issues 359 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 7: like protecting democracy and on the very important issue in 360 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 7: this of addressing abortion. So voters really have two different 361 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 7: views of these candidates right now a small lead for Swase. 362 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 6: Well, is this, then, don kind of a litmus test 363 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 6: for the wider general election in November when the issues 364 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 6: that you just mentioned border security and the economy, on 365 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 6: the one hand, the big talking points for Republicans threats 366 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 6: to American democracy and abortion rights the talking point for 367 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 6: Democrats depending on how New York three goes, what issue 368 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 6: it turns out came out on top. Should we read 369 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 6: that straight through to November? 370 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 7: I think we're going to absolutely read it that way. 371 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 7: Whether that's fair or not, I'm not quite sure, but 372 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 7: we're going to read it that way. I think we 373 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 7: have to add another wrinkle to this story is that 374 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 7: in this poll, even though these are special election voters, 375 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 7: these are people who are going to turn out on 376 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 7: a Tuesday in February. We're thinking that turnout will be 377 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 7: no more than twenty five percent. Know that this is 378 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 7: a district that in a presidential year this year, we're 379 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 7: probably going to be looking at six two to sixty 380 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 7: five percent. Still, we asked these voters, in addition to 381 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 7: who are you going to vote for on Tuesday to thirteenth, 382 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 7: if your vote for president was right now, would you 383 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 7: vote for Joe Biden or Donald Trump? And this district 384 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 7: moves nine points in Trump's erection. So instead of a 385 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 7: four point Democratic advantage when we pit Biden against Trump, 386 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 7: Trump is five points up in this district amongst these 387 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 7: highly motivated special election VOTs. So again, if indeed it 388 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 7: turns out that Swazi wins by this four and to 389 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 7: whatever extent there are any exit polls at all, and 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 7: these very same voters would prefer Trump, that's going to 391 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 7: weigh heavily on the national discussion moving forward. 392 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: Don we heard every day while George Santos was still 393 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: in office, and there was an effort to have him 394 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: ousted starting about a day after he got here, that 395 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: he was ruining the district for Republicans for the foreseeable future. 396 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: Does this tell us that the people of New York 397 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: third are forgiving to the Republican Party because they have 398 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: blamed the man? 399 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 7: Well, certainly, the voters in New York three have a 400 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 7: very strong Republican base. The Republican Party has a tremendously 401 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 7: effective ground game there. Joe Biden is not popular in 402 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 7: New York three. He's about eighteen points underwater in his favorability. 403 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 7: And some of these issues, taxes protecting New York three 404 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 7: and New York in general from what is seen in 405 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 7: the district as an uncontrollable influx of migrants, and also 406 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 7: the issue of safety and crime in general. These are 407 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 7: all issues that have worked in New York in general. 408 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 7: You remember that Lee Zelden came within six points a 409 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 7: race for governor against our governor Kathy Focal in a 410 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 7: state with a two to one democratic advantage. So New York, 411 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 7: although historically bright blue, is starting to trend a little 412 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 7: bit towards the purple tone, especially in a place like 413 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 7: New York three. 414 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 6: Well, and when we Joe was talking about the candidates 415 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 6: in question here and how it's coming after George Santos, 416 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 6: who obviously no longer is in Congress and can't be 417 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: considered an incumbent here. But when we think about the 418 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 6: body of Congress and the view of it, I also 419 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 6: noticed you pulled voters on the idea that Swaz used 420 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 6: to be in Congress, and the question you asked was 421 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 6: new energy and new ideas representing us in Congress. Do 422 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 6: voters think that's needed? Fifty eight percent said yes. Should 423 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 6: that be a warning for all incumbents? 424 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 7: Well, certainly a warning for Tom Swas Tom Swazi is 425 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 7: known in this district, voters, in many cases a majority 426 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 7: feel has always had his chance. He was a three 427 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 7: term congressman. Prior to that, he was a county exec 428 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 7: in Nassau County, So there is a little bit of 429 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 7: we've seen this guy now. At the same time, you know, 430 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 7: Tom Swase has his backers. And when we asked voters 431 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 7: about some of the normal work of Congress people issues 432 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: that are important in this district nine to eleven, relief, 433 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 7: energy issues. The folks in New York three see Tom 434 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 7: Swazi as being probably more effective than Mazi Pillop. So 435 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 7: there is some anti incumbent and in some ways Swazi 436 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 7: is representing more of the incumbent than of course his Pillop, 437 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 7: But still there's an undergirding of strength that Swazi has 438 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 7: in the districts he's known. This is a district that 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 7: felt as though they got blindsided. Mazi Pillop, although her 440 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 7: biography has been really well vetted, has not been front 441 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 7: and center around the district. They're debating tonight, the first debate. 442 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 7: It's the first time that Swazi and Pillop will appear 443 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 7: on the same stage. So there are still some voters 444 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 7: who have not been fully introduced to Pillop, despite the 445 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 7: amount of money that her campaign and to a greater extent, 446 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 7: Swazi has spent trying to tell the voters of the 447 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 7: district who these candidates are. Swazi says he's a common 448 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 7: sense vs. Problem solver who's going to go do the 449 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 7: work of this district in Congress. The district knows him. 450 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 7: Mazzi Pillop is an unknown person, an engaging biography, and 451 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 7: rides this wave of an anti Biden sentiment of concern 452 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 7: over crime, concern over migrants. It's going to be a 453 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 7: close election that's going to come down to turnout. In 454 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 7: our poll, we have the turnout being equal percentages of 455 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 7: Democrats and Republicans. We do that because we anticipate that 456 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 7: Republican ground game really getting Republicans out. If this turnout 457 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 7: looked like an election year. In an election year, the 458 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 7: Democrats have a ten to eleven point advantage in turnout. 459 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 7: So Thomas Swazi has already said if he were not 460 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 7: to prevail in the special, he's going to run again 461 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 7: in November. An election year turnout, he might have a 462 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 7: better opportunity than he has this coming Tuesday, still very close, 463 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 7: four point lead for Swazi. 464 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: All right, we brought you the authority here from Siena College. 465 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: He's the director of Sienna's research Institute, Don Levy. Great 466 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: to have you, Don. This sounds like an awfully important 467 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: debate tonight. We appreciate your sharing your work with us 468 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: here on Bloomberg. 469 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: Don't be a stranger. 470 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: I want to hear from Don next time they do 471 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: it next absolutely big poll on the presidential race, which 472 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: will be later on this month. I'm Joe Matthew alongside 473 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: Kaylee Lines on the Fastest show in Politics. Thanks for 474 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: being with us on the radio, on YouTube, and on TV. 475 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg. 476 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. 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But something Joe we should 483 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 6: note as well is the issue of the Congressman Matt Rosendale, 484 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 6: who apparently is jump into the Montana Senate race, one 485 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 6: that could be one of the most closely watched in 486 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four because the incumbent Democrat John Tester could 487 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 6: be vulnerable. But you get a Republican actual primary contest, 488 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 6: maybe things look different. And we all woke up this 489 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 6: morning to news that the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, 490 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 6: might be endorsing Rosendale for the job. And then they 491 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 6: pulled it. 492 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: This is really funny if you like the back room 493 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: yeah drama here Mitch McConnell, the Senate Leadership Fund had 494 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 2: gone with a different candidate here. So you wonder if 495 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: Mike Johnson was poking Mitch McConnell in the eye or 496 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 2: what the whole point of this. 497 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 6: Was, well, there's certainly been a lot of poking between 498 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 6: the two chambers going on in recent days. We know 499 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 6: that to be sure. But actually the Congressman Rosendale weighed 500 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 6: in on x just a few minutes ago, saying, Speaker 501 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 6: Johnson and I have always had a great relationship. I 502 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 6: am thankful for his continued to support, going on to say, 503 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 6: Mitch McConnell and the DC cartel are terrified about me 504 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 6: going to the US Senate. They know they can't control me. 505 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 6: They know I won't vote for McConnell as a leader. Unbelievable, 506 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 6: there's the latest on that. 507 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: Rick Davis must have thoughts on this, Sure he does. 508 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: Republican strategist who's been in the throes of a lot 509 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: of back and forth in the Senate. Of course, Bloomberg 510 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: Politics contributor, what do you make of this, Rick, What 511 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: is Speaker Mike Johnson doing. 512 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 9: Well? Mike Johnson is cawtaling to Donald Trump, which we've 513 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 9: seen a lot of lately. There's no other explanation for 514 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 9: him to get involved in a Senate primary as Speaker 515 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 9: of the House than if he's just towing someone else's load. 516 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 9: The reality is Mitch McConnell in the entire Republican Caucus 517 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 9: need two seats. They need Tester's seat this race, and 518 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 9: they need West Virginia, which is almost a foregone conclusion. 519 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 9: So the Tester race is probably the most important race 520 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 9: in America for Mitch McConnell and the Republicans to regained 521 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 9: the majority. And they went out of their way to 522 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 9: recruit Tim Shee to be that candidate, knowing after the 523 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 9: twenty twenty two elections that candidates matter in these candidates 524 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 9: and Donald Trump hands selected like Rosendale lost to Democrats, 525 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 9: and so this was the hope that they could get 526 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 9: competitive candidates to be in these seats. And this Rosendale's 527 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 9: continued persistence in the primary just ties up the race, 528 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 9: expends needed resources for a general election, and frankly is 529 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 9: a lifeline to Democratic Tester. So it made no sense 530 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 9: why he would stick his nose into it. It makes 531 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 9: a lot of sense why the Speaker got his nose 532 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 9: punched and went back into his turf. And so now 533 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 9: we'll see whether or not Rosendale can mount any kind 534 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 9: of real significant challenge against Shihi. 535 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 6: Okay, so maybe the Speaker shouldn't have cared as much 536 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 6: about this racer and his vocal about that. But Rick, 537 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 6: we know that he definitely cares about the race that's 538 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 6: ongoing right now in the third District of New York. 539 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 6: We were just speaking to Don Levy of Siena College 540 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 6: about this, because there is that special election to replace 541 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 6: George Santos, who was kicked out of the House of Representatives, 542 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 6: coming up quickly next week. When we're talking about a 543 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 6: speaker in Mike Johnson, who already has had great difficulty 544 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 6: getting anything done, including the impeachment of the Homeland Security 545 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 6: Secretary attempted earlier this week in the Israel Aid standalone 546 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 6: package that also was attempted and failed earlier this week. 547 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 6: What changes for him if this seat flips to the Democrat. 548 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 9: Yeah, I know. I mean, it's like the nightmare scenario. 549 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 9: He started with the smallest margin in the history of 550 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 9: a major party control of the House, and it's only 551 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 9: gotten smaller since he's been elected Speaker, which hasn't been 552 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 9: for that long. So it's a disaster. Democrats see this 553 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 9: as just another opportunity to hold things up in the House. 554 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 9: They're on defense, and frankly, Republicans if they lose another 555 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 9: seat like this one they're going to be on defense 556 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 9: to and nothing's going to get done. And it really 557 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 9: does portend, as Joe and you mentioned earlier, a real 558 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 9: crisis potentially with the funding a government, because right now 559 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 9: there's no plan publicly announced by the Speaker on how 560 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 9: he's going to actually knit together, you know, some vehicle 561 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 9: that allows the government to be funded, and certainly not 562 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 9: before the deadlines that he's self imposed on these CRS 563 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 9: continuing resolutions, and so I don't know, I mean, it's 564 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 9: a very big problem coming up. I know we've all 565 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 9: been focused on the supplemental and the immigration package, and 566 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 9: those are incredibly important, but nothing is more important than 567 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 9: funding the government. 568 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: You've been of the mind that they can pull this 569 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: out of the fire here, Rick, Are you starting to 570 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: get concerned because we've got a recess coming and not 571 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: a lot of time to write these spending bills. 572 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, trying to legislate like this in an election year 573 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 9: is crazy, right, I mean, Speakers and leader in the 574 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 9: past say, you know, like we got to get all 575 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 9: our work done on time in an election year for 576 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 9: president because nothing ever happens in the election year. It's 577 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 9: just too political. And we saw just that happen, you know, 578 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 9: with this immigration package. I mean, Republicans demand an immigration package, 579 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 9: they get one, and then they have to vote against 580 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 9: it makes them look foolish. Republicans extend the budget until 581 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 9: you know, the first quarter of this year, and now 582 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 9: they're going to have a hard time finding the votes 583 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 9: for it. It is a no brainer to package together 584 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 9: these appropriations bills and pass the budget. They were supposed 585 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 9: to have done that by September thirtieth, and they have 586 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 9: been just kicking the can ever since then. They have 587 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 9: a top line negotiated agreement, so the hard part of 588 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 9: knowing how much you're going to spend has already been done, 589 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 9: and the fact that you then apply that to each 590 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 9: of these appropriations bills is not that hard a task. 591 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 9: But we just don't see the committees doing the work 592 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 9: to get those things passed. Maybe it all gets thrown 593 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 9: into an omnibus. That would be certainly an easy way 594 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 9: to get it done on time, say on time at 595 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 9: this time, and maybe this is what the speakers. Maybe 596 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 9: even his last act will be to fund the government. 597 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 6: That would be saying something after he's only been the 598 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 6: speaker for one hundred or so days. In bibment in 599 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 6: March will be at what maybe one hundred and fifty 600 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 6: and Kevin McCarthy this. 601 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: Prospect, is it going to be a state of the 602 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: Union or is it going to be a state of 603 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: the Union without Speaker Johnson standing behind sitting behind Joe Biden. 604 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 6: Can the State of the Union even go on if 605 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 6: the government. 606 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: Has partially sure? Great questions. 607 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 6: I guess Congress keeps doing its work right. 608 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: Not necessarily if they're not in session. In fact, I 609 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: think Rick was encouraging Joe Biden to do the speech 610 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: from the White House? 611 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: Am I right? 612 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 7: Rick? 613 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 9: Yeah? 614 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 615 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 9: I mean the President does not actually have to be 616 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 9: in the well of the House of Representatives to give 617 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 9: the State of the Union. In fact, they used to 618 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 9: just send over a memo and never even did the speech. 619 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 9: So the reality is, if his political came pain prevails, 620 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 9: they would say, absolutely, you got to talk about the 621 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 9: state of the Union because it's messed up and without 622 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 9: your leadership is not going to get any better. And 623 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 9: so show leadership by giving the speech sitting in the 624 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 9: Oval Office behind the resolute desk and commence Americans that 625 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 9: you are the only one who are keeping the lights 626 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 9: on right now. 627 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 6: Well, Donald Trump would probably beg to differ on that argument, 628 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 6: and it raises the question for me, Rick, we just 629 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 6: saw what Trump was eble, even if it wasn't entirely 630 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 6: due to his thumb on the scale, his influence perhaps 631 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 6: and members of the House, and how that ultimately proved 632 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 6: enough to kill this border deal entirely. He used to 633 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 6: be suggesting back what we were dealing with continuing resolutions 634 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 6: about to expire twice before this. The Republicans shouldn't be 635 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 6: fearing a government shutdown? Could the weather or not it 636 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 6: happens actually come down to whether or not the former 637 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 6: president gives his blessing for it to happen. 638 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 9: Well, we've seen him metal in the House business this week, 639 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 9: so sure that could have an influence on it. Although 640 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 9: we haven't heard that from any of the leadership or 641 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 9: even the rabble rouses in the Freedom Caucus lately that 642 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 9: they actually want the government to shut down. I mean 643 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 9: that conversation was really more germane. You know, at the 644 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 9: end of last year. We haven't seen people actually think 645 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 9: that's a good strategy right now. So the hope is 646 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 9: that nobody actually believes that it's somehow their political advantage 647 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 9: to shut the government down and that they do find 648 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 9: a resolution to this, or what happens in these cases, 649 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 9: a year long continuing resolution gets thrown on the floor 650 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 9: and voted on that actually results in a budget cut 651 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 9: based on the top line numbers that they'd already agreed to. 652 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 9: But it also hurts the Defense Department at a time 653 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 9: when we're in conflicts all around the world. And you know, 654 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 9: I sure wouldn't want to be a Republican leader who 655 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 9: has to go back to his district and explain to 656 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 9: people that I was just party to a huge cut 657 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 9: in defense spending at a time when our security is 658 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 9: in jeopardy. 659 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: Rick Davis, we thank you as always, Rick, thanks for 660 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: the analysis and the clutch insights here as this bill 661 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: clears a procedural hurdle in the Senate to fund Ukraine, Israel, 662 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: and Taiwan. 663 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 3: Rick was with us a bit earlier when this. 664 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: Happened, and it looks like it could pass the full house. Here, Kayleie, 665 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: this is important. It happened just a short time ago, 666 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: teeing up a floor vote sooner than later. 667 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 6: So it could pass potentially the full Senate. Even the 668 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 6: tally that we've seen in the test measure today. If 669 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 6: you will the House, though, is a massive question for 670 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 6: everything we were just discussing with Rick. This is a 671 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 6: speaker who has proven to have great difficulty exercise and 672 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 6: control over his conference and also still has the motion 673 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 6: to vacate potentially hanging over his head with every decision 674 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 6: he makes. And there's members like Marjorie Taylor Green who 675 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 6: have said, yes, we will bring that if you put 676 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 6: Ukraine aid on the floor of this chamber. 677 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: Indeed, it was only two days ago, by the way, 678 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: a standalone Israel funding bill in the House failed. So 679 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: let's wait to see what happens because. 680 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 8: We simply can't REGI. 681 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Balance of Power podcast. Make 682 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: sure to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, 683 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can find 684 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: us live every weekday from Washington, d C. 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