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Speaker 1: Y'all. Welcome to Pathology with doctor Priya. Doctor how are

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Speaker 1: you great?

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Speaker 2: It was great seeing you at crime Con. We had

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Speaker 2: a blast.

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Speaker 1: I cannot even tell you what a just fantastic time

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Speaker 1: I had with you and y'all. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Prey's got some fans, honey.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was interesting. Yeah, I met some. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I always wonder who does my work reek, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I think, right here, this is a powerful medium.

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Speaker 2: People listen, and that really warmed my heart because my

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Speaker 2: husband's sick of hearing me.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we had a meet and greet, y'all,

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Speaker 1: and it was the three of us, doctor Priya and

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Speaker 1: newcomer and myself, and I mean there was a line

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Speaker 1: out there door and the number of people that I heard.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the information, thank you for the knowledge.

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Speaker 1: You cleared so many things up for people that had

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Speaker 1: questions in their own life that could never reach you otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think this is why I love

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Speaker 2: to teach, right and I think sort of bringing myself

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Speaker 2: into another sphere with you here, it's been really interesting.

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Speaker 2: And I love that because I think people often contact

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Speaker 2: me at the worst time in their lives, when they've

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Speaker 2: lost a loved one, right, that's when you need an autopsy.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I sort of pride myself. I take

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Speaker 2: consult on a private autopsy with me, because it's not

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Speaker 2: right for everyone, you know, It's it's not like a

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Speaker 2: a full role that i'd play for the people that

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Speaker 2: I got a call from Rhode Island and I talked

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Speaker 2: I've been there and it sucks. There's no medical term

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Speaker 2: hard diseases took over her body and complications. They were like, wow,

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Speaker 2: that closure is important. And I think it's important to

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Speaker 2: know that even an autopsy is a medical procedure, right,

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Speaker 2: uh like an intro to autopsy maybe next crime pun

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Speaker 2: Let's see if it gets picked up or not. But

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Speaker 2: I really feel like that would be a powerful.

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Speaker 3: Way to connect with people, and I hope people that

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Speaker 3: come on, you know, you're amazing, but it's not CSI

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Speaker 3: in an hour, right, It's not law and order when

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Speaker 2: That's just how it is.

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Speaker 1: It was wonderful to me to watch people engage, you know,

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Speaker 2: No idea what to expect, Mac. It was it was

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Speaker 2: a lot. I just can't believe how many true crime

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Speaker 2: most was the missing or unexplained absences of people the board.

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Speaker 2: I think that was incredibly tastefully done. It was right

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Speaker 2: a times because I do a cold case sort of squad.

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Speaker 2: If you will, team with uh doctor Burgess and Sarah

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Speaker 2: I got to meet amazing p people, amazing fans. But

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Speaker 1: I understand that. And you know, I'm always captivating about

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Speaker 1: the people that have spent their life. You included Nancy

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what. I hate to say this, but

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Speaker 2: I grew up with John Walsh, and I had no

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Speaker 2: but that work was I mean, I'm a mom. I

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Speaker 1: Well, I saw you do that numerous times for a

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Speaker 1: So it was wonderful for me from starting to finish

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel the honor was mine. I feel like

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Speaker 2: But also this was my first crime con so I

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Speaker 2: more celebrity. That's not like why I went. I think

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Speaker 2: you know, because Matt Murphy actually remembered something I don't

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Speaker 1: Hey, I got to tell everybody something. I got to

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Speaker 1: bust in. Listen, y'all, doctor Pria. If y'all do not

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Speaker 1: know by now, when you are her friend, she takes

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Speaker 1: You get there, there's immediately a party. You stay up.

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Speaker 1: It is a marathon. You stay up way too late

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Speaker 1: that first night, seeing everybody, enjoying everybody. I had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm back there. They were like, who is this

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Speaker 1: But I want people to know that's who you are.

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Speaker 1: You could have slept in, you could have enjoyed a

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Speaker 2: It's always a blueberry muffin and a diet coke. I know, Jorida.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. And listen, I must have heard eighty times.

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Speaker 1: When are y'all going to talk about when people put

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Speaker 1: things in their body? Well, y'all, this is it. Get ready,

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Speaker 1: doctor Pria? Tell us, tell us honey.

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Speaker 2: So many weird things. Oh my god, And these are

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Speaker 2: speaking from my experience. I'm not even making it up. Right. Well,

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Speaker 2: Ooh seen a lot too, So I hope to not

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Speaker 2: She was nothing but gracious. It was awesome to connect

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Speaker 4: And yeah, well I'm just saying, just speaking the truth, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Obviously, there's you know, many sexual preferences where things are

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Speaker 2: I mean, in any grocery strive bin, those are pretty

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Speaker 2: it's actually really helpful to me at autopsy. If there's

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Speaker 1: You know, but I can see that in an emergency,

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Speaker 1: What is the death.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of death. So usually

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Speaker 2: like there should be a safe word, there should be

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Speaker 2: So that actually is very important because it sets the

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Speaker 2: So you know it's not to be I'm not shaming anybody.

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Speaker 2: This is just pure observation, and it's actually I asked

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Speaker 1: But that's why I think it's important. That's why I

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Speaker 2: Bondage is also common and not common, but I've seen it,

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Speaker 2: It's not a robbery run wrong. This is sort of

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Speaker 2: by choice. Now, I've seen it where that bondage doesn't

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Speaker 2: But there's always sex toys, there's you know, so much

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Speaker 2: We're we're not TV. And what I say is, you

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Speaker 2: you know, for personal pleasure doesn't turn criminal. Does that

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Speaker 2: doesn't turn twisted. You know, something with consent from two

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Speaker 2: You always, I mean, call me a cynic, right, but

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Speaker 2: You need to make sure like, oh, this is what happened.

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Speaker 2: And obviously I've never seen any other person stick around.

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Speaker 2: Once the partner dies in a sexual act, everybody's out

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Speaker 1: That's right, they're so afraid of being in trouble, you know.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen things where people did not go to this,

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Speaker 1: So it's really important for those new detectives, those rookie officers.

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Speaker 1: If it is a practice that you don't subscribe to,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen so many crazy things. I've seen bottles, cucumbers, carrots,

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Speaker 2: things have been removed from bodies, right, Doc, I fell

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Speaker 2: hopefully those people were patients who are alive, you know,

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Speaker 1: To it, right right, Well, like you said, if there's

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. You know, I hope not all of

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Speaker 2: that's that's really it, and you know that's not to

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Speaker 2: anything can be in there. I've even seen toilet paper

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Speaker 1: I think that's why your expertise is again so critical,

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Speaker 1: and just to remind people, that's why we have to

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Speaker 1: That's right, So why would she go from zero to

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Speaker 1: the most sophisticated sex wing that they can buy. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. So you have to make it

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Speaker 1: where I can with confidence say this was an accident,

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Speaker 1: or this was deliberate, or she got herself in a

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Speaker 1: situation she didn't know how to get out of because

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Speaker 1: she didn't know what she's doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know, we're here to educate the public,

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Speaker 2: and I really want to talk to the detectives out

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Speaker 2: there onlike TV. I do not carry a gun. I

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Speaker 2: had a badge when I was at the office that

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Speaker 2: allowed me to enter crime scenes, but I do not,

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Speaker 2: and my staff did not have the ability to do

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Speaker 2: the police work in terms of interviewing people, and so

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Speaker 2: being aware that this can be pleasurable, you know, someone's choice,

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Speaker 2: or it can be criminal. I mean, it's not always

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Speaker 2: comfortable to talk about these things, but that's the information

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Speaker 2: I need. I need those answers. And this is why

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Speaker 2: we work so closely. I want to educate. I teach

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Speaker 2: a lot, and I love teaching because even like regular

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Speaker 2: pathologists don't know about this, you know what I do,

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Speaker 2: They're not going to look at the world the way

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Speaker 2: we do right mac for better or for worse. And

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Speaker 2: I need them to get into my brain, like, hey, doc,

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Speaker 2: what answers do you need to certify this death? You know?

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Speaker 2: And I do go into things always with the cynical eye.

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Speaker 2: Even if it appears let's say accidental like autoerotic asphyxia,

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Speaker 2: I still need to make sure there's no unexplained injuries.

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Speaker 2: There's no you know, nothing's left in, nothing's inject did

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Speaker 2: that would worry me otherwise?

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Speaker 1: And you know, speaking of crime con I want to

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Speaker 1: end this way. Did you see the muscle building guy

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Speaker 1: wearing the shirt that said I don't have a safe

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Speaker 1: word at the bar?

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Speaker 2: I know, And that's it, that's it, exactly the exactly

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And here's what was funny to me looking at him,

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Speaker 1: there's a group that is pretty volatile in the prison system.

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I bet you do. I

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Speaker 1: bet you do. Yeah, right, given the right circumstance. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to be funny, but given the right circumstance,

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Speaker 1: you're going to tell somebody to quit it. You know.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I had such a ball with you. I

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Speaker 1: cannot tell you all the dinners, all the walks, all

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Speaker 1: the looking at the bunny rabbits, all the sessions, the

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Speaker 1: meet and greets, the being at our table.

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Speaker 2: It was my honor. And I can't wait. I'm already

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Speaker 2: planning for Vegas. I don't get paid for this, but

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Speaker 2: if Prime con wants to am your house me, I'm

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Speaker 2: open for it. Right, but I would love to. I

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Speaker 2: would love to do a talk to reach more people.

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Speaker 2: And it is a very powerful you know, I really

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Speaker 2: had no idea and I'm still sort of processing it.

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Speaker 2: How powerful that group is, how knowledgeable, Like they're not

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Speaker 2: grossed out. They're there for it to learn and hear,

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Speaker 2: you know, people like Matt Murphy, I mean, and Chris Hansen.

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Speaker 2: I didn't sleep well, you didn't see you stood, you know,

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Speaker 2: stayed up late the first night I couldn't sleep after

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Speaker 2: the roadblocks talk being a parent, you know, and so

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Speaker 2: you know what you learn. It's even continuing medical education,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, is there continuing parent education for life?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it was for me.

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Speaker 1: It was parents.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I cried. I cried so much that

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Speaker 2: week and I couldn't believe it. Every time someone was

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Speaker 2: talking about their child. I cried through that session. I

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Speaker 2: couldn't and I was in the front row. I'm supposed

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Speaker 2: to be strong and handle death. Look, everybody, when it's

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Speaker 2: your child, it's unex you know, unexplainable. There's no getting

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Speaker 2: over it right there, there's no getting over it. And

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Speaker 2: their power and what they're doing now is incredible. You know,

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Speaker 2: I covered it, right, I covered Gaby's death court TV,

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Speaker 2: other channels. I know you know the condition of her

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Speaker 2: body and I think you and I unfortunately can visualize that,

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Speaker 2: right And it was so powerful to hear her parents.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure I would be as I

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Speaker 2: don't know, positive or standing up like they were. You

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Speaker 2: know what about their no they're oh my god, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I cried there too, that Ethan smiles. I followed them

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Speaker 2: on Instagrams right after that. So just those the power

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Speaker 2: of the work that the parents, the survivors are doing

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Speaker 2: are just incredible.

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Speaker 1: Amen. Well, I appreciate you, sugar, and I had a ball.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You can hear row Vegas. You can count on it.

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Speaker 2: Ah some I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: M mm hmm