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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. West Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here today,

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Speaker 2: of course, on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: the Black and Gold on this Wednesday, Matt, so, we

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Speaker 2: were heading towards the back half of the week, getting

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Speaker 2: closer and closer to our arrival in Indianapolis, and I

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Speaker 2: look forward to that the combine next week. Me too.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you, this today was kind

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Speaker 2: of the in the I guess what since late July,

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Speaker 2: when you and I have been doing a show together

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Speaker 2: pretty much every day. Today was I think the first

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Speaker 2: day where I really had to work to come up

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Speaker 2: with some topics.

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Speaker 3: It could be challenging at that. I mean, we joke,

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Speaker 3: but I mean thirty segments a week's a lot. And

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Speaker 3: it doesn't mean they all through thirty different segments, but

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Speaker 3: it's you know, there's times throughout the course of the

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Speaker 3: year where what's the time the team's hybern eight and

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Speaker 3: nothing really happens.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny is in the middle of October

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Speaker 2: thirty segments a week is easy. Oh yeah, it's take

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Speaker 2: a candy from.

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Speaker 3: Amaking, right right.

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Speaker 2: We could do fifty, but this time of year it

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Speaker 2: gets a little bit more difficult with that. I figured,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's have some fun today. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to have a show tomorrow, just to let everybody know.

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Speaker 2: Right now, maintenance day for the drive on Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: we're we're optimistic that we'll be back on Friday, but

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Speaker 2: we will not have a show tomorrow. February nineteenth, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: maintenance day for the drive here. You know, got to

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Speaker 2: pop the hood, get the oil, change some new times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need some stuff that all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: So with that up, Monday is definitely not a show.

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Speaker 2: Mondays travelers, we're traveling and setting up in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So with that, Matt, I thought it would be fun

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Speaker 2: to have some fun today. We will. We will talk

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Speaker 2: to Cody Alexander in about an hour.

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Speaker 3: People might not know who he is, but I think

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be really I think.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be very impressed. One of the better defensive

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Speaker 2: analysts in the media across the football world. But I

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Speaker 2: wanted to start here today. Matt very simple, Fernando Mendoza. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the number one overall pick, the QB one, hands down

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Speaker 2: of this draft class. How does he compare? How does

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Speaker 2: he contrast? How does he stand up to the last

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Speaker 2: ten qb ones in the NFL Draft?

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Speaker 3: Fun I've been kind of wanting to do this, just

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Speaker 3: even on my own, you know, Like I've thought about

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Speaker 3: him against cam Ward. I've thought about him against those

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Speaker 3: top three or actually the six that went in the

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Speaker 3: Caleb class, Caleb Jaden dra Where would I rank him

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Speaker 3: in that list? But I haven't gone back further than that.

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Speaker 3: In my in my cranium, I think the way to

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Speaker 3: do this isn't what they turned into. It's what you

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Speaker 3: thought of the prospect at this stage of his development, what.

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Speaker 2: They were coming out of, and how you think they

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Speaker 2: transition to the pros because you can't rewrite the history

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Speaker 2: on Trevor Lawrence, Like he was one of the most

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Speaker 2: touted qb ones of the twenty first century, probably him

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Speaker 3: And if he were to do this one year ago,

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Speaker 3: be like, man, he looks like he might be a boss.

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Speaker 3: But I liked him a lot going out.

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Speaker 2: I know he was not a single person saying I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you should take him first overall.

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Speaker 3: This is funny to me too, just to talk about

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Speaker 3: first overall history from what I recall, and I was

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Speaker 3: not doing this professionally at the time, or certainly not

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Speaker 3: to this level. I may have been at pitt I

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Speaker 3: can't remember. No one killed the Raiders for taking JaMarcus Russell.

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Speaker 3: But oh way, that was not considered a crazy pick.

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Speaker 2: He falls just outside of the ten year window. Eleven

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Speaker 2: years ago was Jameis Winston. People were saying he was

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Speaker 2: more athletic Ben Roethlisberger when he was coming out of

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Speaker 2: Florida State. Absolutely, he's big, he can move, he's got

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Speaker 3: And the other one I think is even way more

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Speaker 3: telling to go back is at this time and really

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Speaker 3: up till like two days before the draft paid Manning

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Speaker 3: Ryan Leaf and everyone just like history is that one's

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Speaker 3: the biggest buss ever. That's like the best quarterback ever.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was a no brainer. It was a coin flip.

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Speaker 3: It was Yes, this was a forty nine fifty one

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Speaker 3: or JaMarcus.

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Speaker 2: Russell, right right, great examples, great example, they don't. We're out,

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Speaker 2: so we'll start. You want to go more recently down, Let's.

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Speaker 3: Go Ward first. Yes, I like Ward better now and

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Speaker 3: I liked Ward better then. And I am not an apologist.

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Speaker 3: I'm an enthusiast on Ward.

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Speaker 2: And you've been saying this for a year.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not even going to talk about his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: But it was very up and down, a lot not

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Speaker 2: You didn't have a head coach for the past half season.

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Speaker 3: Head coach halfway through the season. But I I think

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Speaker 3: his ability is way higher than Mendoz. Not way higher,

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Speaker 3: but noticeably higher than Mendoza's effortless thrower, more athletic. I

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Speaker 3: like Mendoza, but I have a feeling I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to ruin his favor all that often.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think it's funny. As I was putting

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Speaker 2: this list together, pretty much all of these There's a couple,

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Speaker 2: but pretty much all of these feel like an easy

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Speaker 2: yes better than Mendoza or an easy no. There's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of fifty one forty nine splits like you were.

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Speaker 2: We're just talking about now.

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Speaker 3: I bet there's plenty of analysts who I trust. Maybe

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Speaker 3: if Dane was sitting here, he'd be like, I have

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Speaker 3: a higher great on Mendoza and I did Ward just

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Speaker 3: one year ago, and I would understand it. I think

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Speaker 3: Ward has a chance to be special special. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that Mendoza could be special special. I see like

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Speaker 3: Matt Ryan's ceiling, which is great. Jared Goff, you know.

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Speaker 2: My safer pick than a lot of these guys in

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Speaker 2: think it's probably the same conversation as cam Ward, but

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Speaker 2: even greater with Caleb Williams if we go back to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that one because so recent that I know

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Speaker 3: off the top of my head, I had that class

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Speaker 3: Mendoza would have been four. I liked all three of

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Speaker 3: those guys better. What I don't remember is how I

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Speaker 2: I think people were surprised he went as early as

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Speaker 2: There was some, uh, there was some murkiness around JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: but the other four were clearly the quote unquote better prospects. Yes,

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Speaker 2: like Pennix was coming off a they lost in the

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Speaker 3: Watched it eight year but he had Troy Fatanu and

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Speaker 3: was a gardener's tackles and yeah, you know, and people

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Speaker 3: forget Penix ran like a four to four eight Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he doesn't play that way. You never saw it

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Speaker 3: So I think I had McCarthy ahead of Penix. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but even those versions, clearly i'd have been doze over

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Speaker 2: Hey, so the top three it's worked out so far,

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Speaker 2: so good. Right, Daniels has to come back from the

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Speaker 3: But and I hope people know me well enough, like

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to just try to make myself look

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Speaker 3: I told you it's gonna be great. Yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think May is great. I'm super smart, you know.

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Speaker 3: I had hope for McCarthy and Pennix and those guys too,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't and Knix is far exceeded my expectations.

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Speaker 3: If he turns into bow Nick or the Raiders Happy, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I'd win a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd learn a little bit more too. But

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Speaker 3: after two years.

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Speaker 2: But if he's if he's somewhere between bow Nix and

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, I'm very thrill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But after two years, I think a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: If he is Bonix, it's not a disaster, but i'd

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Speaker 2: still obviously fish. I'd go Fish and yeah, yeah, easy one.

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Speaker 2: If you go back three years to me Bryce Young,

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Speaker 2: I would much rather have Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: I preferred Stroud to Young class most of us did,

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Speaker 3: and I would take Mendoza over both of those versions.

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Speaker 3: Young to me is just too little, and I really

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Speaker 3: have a problem with I probably had Richardson ahead of

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Speaker 3: him too. Now I'm thinking about that class. Yeah, now

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Speaker 3: it doesn't look great.

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Speaker 2: But like the sixth overall pick or something like that,

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Speaker 2: seventh or fourth year he was high.

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Speaker 3: It was five or six or four or five or six,

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Speaker 3: just because I've really changed my tune, especially after the

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Speaker 3: Picket thing, but even leading into it. If you listen

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Speaker 3: to the drive before the Steelers took Picket that year,

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Speaker 3: I'm swinging for the fences on quarterbacks, like if I

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Speaker 3: swing and miss, that's fine, but I'm looking for my homes.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking for golf, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 3: that was my problem with Picket at the time. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I just don't think it's upsides high enough. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I was kind of enthralled with Richardson.

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Speaker 2: Least there's more juice to squeeze there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right. He just didn't have a lot of experience.

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Speaker 3: He can't stay on the field.

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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett is the next one from four years back.

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Speaker 2: That's another obvious Mendoza greater than.

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Speaker 3: No question, and I had Willis ahead of Picket. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's something we'll do come draft time. But

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Speaker 3: Dale and I every year wherever the.

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Speaker 2: Steelers pick, I love this exercise.

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Speaker 3: It's really really telling. It's one of the best things

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Speaker 3: we do all year. So assuming Steelers say twenty one,

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Speaker 3: you and I are going to put a list together

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Speaker 3: of one through twenty one, and if I am on

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Speaker 3: the clock, you know, and you'll never get to twenty first.

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Speaker 2: So pick one. We're taking Mendoza, duh. Yes, but then

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Speaker 2: after that than what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's like a great edge rusher, you might

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Speaker 3: not take him, Like Abdul Carter was low on our

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Speaker 3: list last year for the Steelers. You know, that's why

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Speaker 3: you usually get like your twelfth best player at twenty one,

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Speaker 3: which sounds crazy, but it's your twelfth best player, you know,

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Speaker 3: for your specific needs, your specific needs. So anyway, that

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Speaker 3: Picket draft, I remember, remember the Steelers picked twenty that year,

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Speaker 3: have staying true to my board, I would have drafted

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Speaker 3: Dax Hill. Now he hasn't really worked out, but he

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Speaker 3: was my highest rank guy that was still still on

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Speaker 2: I think there were times Jacob was worried that Motes

436
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Speaker 2: and I were gonna throw fists, arguing about I wouldn't

437
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Speaker 2: thrown fist with notes that would that would not have

438
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Speaker 2: ended well. I'm betting on.

439
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Speaker 3: Notesde both of us beauful room. So yeah, I was

440
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Speaker 3: a little hesitant on Dak for a while too, because

441
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Speaker 3: he was an inaccurate college guy. Back then, I didn't

442
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Speaker 3: believe they could get more accurate.

443
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Speaker 2: Do you think you would have gone Golf or Wentz

444
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Speaker 2: over Mendoza or men.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mendoza so last year, Golf was a better athlete

446
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: than than he is now. He did scramble around and

447
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 3: threw on the move and could buy time. Like people

448
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Speaker 3: forget these scents.

449
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Speaker 2: Last year, we're going ward two years ago, we're going Caleb.

450
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Speaker 2: That's two yeah, Yeah, that's two no's. But then two

451
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Speaker 2: yes is for Bryce Young and Kenny Pickett easily, Trevor

452
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Speaker 2: Lawrence No, right, Joe Burrow, I gave it a tie.

453
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Speaker 2: I think I kind of liked that. Yeah, yet give

454
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Speaker 2: to tie Murray Yes, three and three Baker Mayfield Yes.

455
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Speaker 2: So four for four yes is for Mendoza. Three nay's Trubisky, Yes,

456
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Speaker 2: golf Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: That would be It's kind of a reindorsement, is.

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Speaker 2: I did not. If you would have asked me before

459
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Speaker 2: we started this, how many yeses for Mendoza, I would

460
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Speaker 2: have probably said four.

461
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. So like a lot of people were

462
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Speaker 3: like most years, he wouldn't be the first overall pick

463
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Speaker 3: well in the last ten.

464
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Speaker 2: Right right, right, that's a little eye opening for me there.

465
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Speaker 3: Now, I did like throwing out, you know, like I

466
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Speaker 3: was really high on ma Homes. I would have taken

467
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Speaker 3: Mahomes over Trubisky and Mendoza. But we're just talking about

468
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Speaker 3: who went first. You know. I liked this.

469
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Speaker 2: This was this was this was a fun exercise. I've

470
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Speaker 2: got some wood.

471
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Speaker 3: If we get real bored, we could do it like every.

472
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Speaker 2: Position that now you're speaking my christ.

473
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Speaker 3: Genty versus bijon verse.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love having a I love having equity

475
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Speaker 2: in the bank for future content ideas for when we

476
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Speaker 2: need to go to that tree, Matt, when we return

477
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Speaker 2: on the other side, something that we will continue to

478
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Speaker 2: do until the draft. Every Wednesday, I'll give you some

479
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Speaker 2: would you rather draft related scenarios? Okay, we'll do that

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Speaker 2: when we return West Shouler, Matt Williamson, just getting started

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Speaker 2: here on a Wednesday. It is the Drive Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here on the Drive on this Wednesday, we

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Speaker 2: are going to have some awesome Patrick Graham conversation with

487
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Speaker 2: our friend Cody Alexander in about a half an hour.

488
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Speaker 2: Make sure you are tuning into that to kick off

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Speaker 2: hour number two. But some teas to cross and some

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Speaker 2: as to die before we get there, mister Williamson, would

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Speaker 2: you rather Wednesday? Like I said, I'm going to continue

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Speaker 2: to do this with you. Maybe some of these will

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Speaker 2: be free agency relays, but most of them I imagine

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Speaker 2: will be draft related. Just something fun for us to

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Speaker 2: do on Wednesdays to kind of continue conversation. Would you rather?

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Speaker 2: I'll present two scenarios to Matt and he gets to

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Speaker 2: pick the one that he would choose door number one

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Speaker 2: or door number two. All right, I've got three of

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Speaker 2: these for you today, Would you rather? Wednesday? Question number one?

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Speaker 2: Would you rather in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: with any of your picks, so not specific to second round,

502
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Speaker 2: fourth round, whatever, would you rather in this upcoming NFL

503
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Speaker 2: draft hit on your running back of the future or

504
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: hit on your off ball linebacker of the future if

505
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Speaker 2: you could find one of those in this draft, because.

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Speaker 3: That would definitely be a late pick. Like I don't prove, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think at the Day three mid round, Hey pick.

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Speaker 2: Let's Jeremiah Love falls to pick twenty one.

509
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Speaker 3: Or rest ends up at twenty Sonny? Uh name is Styles?

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Speaker 2: Sonny Styles?

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Speaker 3: Is there? Twunny one?

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Speaker 2: Signed me up?

513
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Speaker 3: By the way, they might be the three best players

514
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Speaker 3: this whole draft. The three Ohio State defenders are unbelief

515
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Speaker 3: absolutely insane. Please help me on this. Why didn't they

516
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Speaker 3: win the national title.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so remember I kind of alluded to, Yeah, I

518
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Speaker 2: don't know if I'm in lockstep enough with Ohio State

519
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Speaker 2: to really comment on Ryan Day as a head coach.

520
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Speaker 2: But if you look at his record since he took over,

521
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Speaker 2: and he's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be the first receiver taking and he's the

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Speaker 3: second best teas.

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Speaker 2: Won a national championship. Yeah yeah, but but I he

525
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Speaker 2: might not be I shouldn't even say Nick Saban because

526
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Speaker 2: who the belief he might not be Kirby Smart, you know,

527
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Speaker 2: or Kurt Signetti. But he has won a national championship.

528
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Speaker 2: His record in his few years of head coach is

529
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Speaker 2: like fifty and five, you know, right right? Yeah, you

530
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Speaker 2: go back and you because I.

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Speaker 3: Think lost good teams, right yes, yeah, yeah, yes, I

532
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Speaker 3: mean real good teams. Oh, Michigan and Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Michigan and Oregon and Indiana Miami. You know, you look

534
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Speaker 2: at the teams that he's beaten too, it's been pretty

535
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Speaker 2: stink and impressive.

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Speaker 3: I mean they killed the Coastal Carolinas, yes.

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Speaker 2: And the gauntlet that they ran last year, Matt when

538
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Speaker 2: they won the national championship, they beat Tennessee, who was

539
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Speaker 2: the number two team in the SEC. Really good that year.

540
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Speaker 2: Then they beat Oregon, who was undefeated in the number

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Speaker 2: one team in the country, who had beaten them earlier

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Speaker 2: in the year. Then they beat they beat Notre Dame

543
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Speaker 2: for the Natty who Texas who was who was the

544
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Speaker 2: SEC champion? So they beat the top two SEC teams,

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Speaker 2: They beat the Big ten champion Oregon, and then they

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Speaker 2: beat Notre Dame in the national Championship.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was something.

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Speaker 2: But when you look at it this year, it's very

549
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Speaker 2: easy to say, man, that team should have probably won more.

550
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Speaker 2: But if you look at that Miami game, Miami dominated

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Speaker 2: in the trenches on both sides of the ball, which really,

552
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Speaker 2: as you know, can make things lobsided. And remember Julian saying,

553
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Speaker 2: throw a pick six. So when you combined losing in

554
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Speaker 2: the trenches and you you gave them a defensive touchdo

555
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Speaker 2: that's how you lose a close one to Miami.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So I just look at defense, like, how

557
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Speaker 3: did anyone score, especially with Patricia's the defense coordinate.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you him, the head coach.

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Speaker 2: Miami's offensive line had the game of their lives, right Okay? Yeah?

561
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Speaker 2: Uh hit on running back of the find your running

562
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Speaker 2: back of the future or off ball linebacker of the

563
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Speaker 2: future in April.

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Speaker 3: The easy answer is off ball linebacker because it's just

565
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Speaker 3: a harder position to find longer shelf life. Yeah, you know, like, okay,

566
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Speaker 3: Queen leaves after this year, you put them right in there.

567
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Speaker 3: Even Queen is a good year. You know, like, if

568
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Speaker 3: you would find this dude in the fifth round, you're

569
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Speaker 3: not gonna cut Peyton Wilson at this point. You know,

570
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Speaker 3: you probably let Queen walk, You get a calm pick

571
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Speaker 3: for him, and you insert new guy. I'm gonna pick

572
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Speaker 3: running back for this instance, for this team because let's

573
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Speaker 3: say they have a really good rookie running back, you'd

574
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Speaker 3: be a pretty good offense.

575
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Speaker 2: And you'd be a lovely nest to drop that rookie

576
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Speaker 2: quarterback or a Will Howard or whoever it may be into.

577
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Speaker 3: I'm picturing that guy as being someone bigger than Warren

578
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Speaker 3: Gamewell might be on this team. Caleb Johnson might look

579
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: better this year than last. I mean kind of know

580
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Speaker 3: where to go but up. But if you find a

581
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Speaker 3: legit dude that's not a pro bowler but rushes for

582
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Speaker 3: eleven hundred yards and is on a fantasy starter in

583
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Speaker 3: the fourth or fifth round. You probably a pretty good

584
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Speaker 3: year on the ground. That's a pretty nice start to

585
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Speaker 3: where you want to be. And maybe you won eleven

586
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Speaker 3: games in a playoff game or something, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I uh, maybe just because we've been in a

588
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: little bit of a spin cycle at the running back

589
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: position over the last few years too. But I would

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Speaker 2: I would love to find.

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Speaker 3: A yeah, you know, nice having let Bell.

592
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: I would love even like a Junkins or a Henderson,

593
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Who just you look at

594
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: him and you go, all right, that guy's gonna be

595
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: around for a while.

596
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really good at what he does. Yeah. I'm

597
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: trying to think of a good example of you know,

598
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Speaker 3: the mid.

599
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Speaker 2: Round Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of like a four like

601
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Speaker 3: Chase Brown for the Bengals, but maybe a little bit

602
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: better version, you know, like if you got that guy. Yeah, okay,

603
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: I think a round he was a third, but still

604
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: it's in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather Wednesday? Question number two, Omar Khan comes

606
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Speaker 2: to you, Matt, and he says, we got twelve draft

607
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: picks this year. That's too many. We got these three

608
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: third round picks I want to get aggressive with one

609
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: of those. Should I use that to move up in

610
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: the first or second round, or should I use it

611
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: to try and get more capital for next year.

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00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: I'd lean towards the latter.

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Speaker 2: I had a feeling that was going to be, like,

614
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Speaker 2: if you could turn one of those three round three

615
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: third rounders into a second for next year.

616
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Speaker 3: Especially if it's one of the later two, you'd be

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00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: Dallas Ones in the middle of Yeah. If I could

618
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Speaker 3: take the the complimentary or compensatory pick, and maybe I

619
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: had to throw in a six to get a team

620
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: that might not be so good second round pick, I'm

621
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Speaker 3: doing that today, not even and who's on the board. Yeah,

622
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: as you can always trade that second round pick two.

623
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be for a quarterback. You could

624
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: trade the trade deadline for a J.

625
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Speaker 2: Brown.

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00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: That's a good point, you know, like you it's it's

627
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: a very liquid asset you got there.

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00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 2: That's a very good point. Yeah, I think I'm with

629
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: you on that one.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who had trade up for in round one. Well,

631
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Speaker 3: I mean maybe that three receivers distinguish themselves and two

632
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: are off the board, and you know, maybe.

633
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: So that's funny that you say that because would you

634
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: rather Wednesday final question number three scenario evolves where it's

635
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: picked seventeen or eighteen, Caleb Downs is still available, one

636
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: of those quote unquote big three wide receivers is still available,

637
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: or heck, I guess I could even throw in a

638
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: QB two to this too, now that I'm talking about it,

639
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: would you rather trade up a few spots? And I'm

640
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: talking like the Progerck Jones type, just a couple of

641
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: st nothing crazy.

642
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: Cost you like that late third or something, yeah, to

643
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: make them Yes.

644
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Would you rather trade up a few spots for Caleb

645
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Downs QB two wide receiver three Downs? I was hoping

646
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: you were gonna say that because that's my answer.

647
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Speaker 3: Because I don't even think it's a need, but I'm

648
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: living a big nickel. He might be my vote for.

649
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: I do this every year too, Like if there's gonna

650
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: be one Hall of Famer from this draft, it's one.

651
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Speaker 2: Of those Ohio State defensive guys.

652
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Speaker 3: Gonna be it's probably gonna be Downs or Reese, you know, yeah,

653
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Speaker 3: not even knowing where they land or any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: If I can move up three or four spots to

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Speaker 2: get potentially the best player in this draft. That's a

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Speaker 2: risk I'm taking every time.

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Speaker 3: I don't hear what position he plays every time, because

658
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Speaker 3: I don't think the Steelers will probably win the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl this year, but he might make you win this

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Speaker 3: help the super Bowl next year.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe six years from now. Yeah, when he's you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty seven in the best defensive back in the world.

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Speaker 3: And I think you noticed by with me by now

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Speaker 3: is and I think that's a good GM trait is. Okay,

665
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Speaker 3: if you gave me downs out of the blue, what's

666
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Speaker 3: the next move then well, I might trade Ramsey at

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Speaker 3: the trade deadline for a second round pick, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, like, depending how the season's going, and

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Speaker 3: open up twenty million on the books, or trade him

670
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Speaker 3: in camp or live in Big Nickel. And if he's

671
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: gonna be on the field all the time, that's someone

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00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: else that doesn't have to be that I can maybe

673
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: get something for. You know, I just want that guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of dudes once in a

675
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: while it's like, I just want that guy.

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Speaker 2: I think of all the prospects, by the time we

677
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: get to the end of April, I think he'll be

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Speaker 2: the one that we're most in love with I just.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna say him Ma Reese is the

680
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: best player in this draft, and Love might have a

681
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: have a chance at it too. But like Mendoza should

682
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Speaker 3: go first, but Mendoz is not better. If we did

683
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: downs versus the safeties like we did, he'd be.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton probably the only one that would even be

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Speaker 2: a conversation.

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00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kyle Hamilton man like a four or five eight,

687
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like there was a little

688
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Speaker 3: bit of he went in the middle of first round. Yeah,

689
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking like Sean Taylor, like big time prospects.

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Speaker 2: That's our would you rather for this Wednesday edition, we'll

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Speaker 2: talk a little free agency when we returned to close

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Speaker 2: down the first hour or Buddy Cody Alexander Lee off

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Speaker 2: our number two. A lot more good stuff to get

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Speaker 2: to today on the Drive Yeueler Williamson Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Matt, We've got just a few minutes here to kind

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Speaker 2: of reset at the bottom of this hour. Get ready

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Speaker 2: for hour number two in our fun conversation with Cody

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Speaker 2: Alexander coming up here. In just a few minutes, there

702
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Speaker 2: was an article on nfl dot com Free agency article

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Speaker 2: eight players who could be overpriced and underpriced, so four

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Speaker 2: and four. Four who could be overpriced in free agency,

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Speaker 2: four who could be underpriced in free agency?

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Speaker 3: And this cost makes me bring up one thing quick

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Speaker 3: because I think I've had this conversation with you. Peacock

708
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: and I have talked about it a lot because and

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00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: it's very Steeler relevant. These free agent wide receivers to

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Speaker 3: be I don't know if though any of them were

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Speaker 3: on this list or not. Pierce Stobbs, Wandel Robinson, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: We've all been like, they're pretty underrated, they're good young players,

713
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: they're about to be all overrated. It's like when you

714
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: see the contract across.

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Speaker 2: It's the it's the Aaron Smith. And I don't think

716
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: Aaron Smith is overrated now by a Ritans, but we

717
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: spent decades and decades and decades everyone's saying how underrated

718
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Smith is. Now he's probably rated. I think everyone

719
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Speaker 2: now appreciates how good that guy is. Steelers each other

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Speaker 2: on anybody. He's not going to Canon, but he's in

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Speaker 2: the hall of really good, right.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody listening knows. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Uh. This list caught my eye because there's a guy

724
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: on the overpriced side that we have mentioned many times.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy on the underpriced side that's a Pittsburgh Steeler.

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Speaker 2: So let's start with the overpriced side and leading off

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Speaker 2: the list, Malik Willis.

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Speaker 3: I knew he'd be on there. I just disagree. I mean,

729
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: the CAP's going up so fast. I don't know what

730
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna get, Like if you go to spat Track,

731
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: he's gonna get ten million.

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Speaker 2: No chick, no way, no chick, no way.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's gonna get twenty to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I would say between twenty and thirty. Yeah, my kind

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Speaker 2: of blanket.

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Speaker 3: Guess now, what I'm guessing is the teams that are

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Speaker 3: interested aren't real attractive landing spots though they're like Arizona Jets, Browns, Miami.

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Speaker 3: So if the Steelers were really interested, I'd rather play

739
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: with the Steelers than all those teams.

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Speaker 2: Maybe get him for eighty cents on the dollar. If

741
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't want to go to a dumpster.

742
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Speaker 3: Fire, or at least if you match their offers, he

743
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: should say yes here Over those teams, you know, like

744
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: you're not fighting, you know, playoff teams for him.

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: He's an interesting one.

746
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: But he's gonna get a lot of money.

747
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna get a lot of money because he's be

748
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Speaker 2: the answer.

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Speaker 3: That's all the matters, and he might be the answer.

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Speaker 2: And he's not gonna get He's gonna get a lot

751
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: of money, but not the type of money that if

752
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: you with on him, if he ends up not hitting

753
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Speaker 2: that it buries you for a long time.

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Speaker 3: With all respect to Rodgers, that's still my favorite avenue

755
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, you know, like a two year deal.

756
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: It's forty eight million, forty eight million.

757
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: Maybe some incentives in there. It's it's the major inflated

758
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: version of the fields of the Jets deal. I think

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: he got two years twenty each and you could get

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: out of the second one. They're about two not too bad.

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00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: You know, you paid him a lot of it upfront.

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Speaker 2: If it works out, it works, you extend them and

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Speaker 2: you give him another nice big payday and give them fifty.

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Speaker 2: If it doesn't, you have a small dead cap hit

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Speaker 2: for a year. It's no bag.

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Speaker 3: You draft another one, right and maybe he's your backup

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Speaker 3: if he's good enough. To do that, or you trade

768
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Speaker 3: him for a fifth round pick whatever. It's not that

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Speaker 3: big of an investment.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. If he was asking he was about

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Speaker 2: to make fifty million dollars a year, then it's that.

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Speaker 2: Then it's a real risk.

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Speaker 3: But I mean Donald was getting more than that, and

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Speaker 3: he should have coming off the Minnesota the year Donald

775
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: was worth more years.

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Speaker 2: That's that's given Sam Donald one hundred million dollars was

777
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: a risk. Yeah, it's one that clearly paid off and worked.

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Speaker 2: But yes, let's not change our tune of how we

779
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: were all talking to year course, of course, three more

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00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: names on this potential could be overpaid list. Jammel Dean

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Speaker 2: Corner from the Bucks could be.

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Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about him, kind of a

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00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: nondescript player. That's good, not great.

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: He's turned thirty and has some injury history.

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00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say age is not working in his favor.

786
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: But I bet just a hunch. I mean, this is

787
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Speaker 3: off the top of my head that if we talked

788
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: about whoever the highest paid corner that actually hits the

789
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: market every year, probably he's on the overrated list. Yeah,

790
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: it's a lot of teams and he's gonna be high

791
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: on the cornerback list, so he's gonna have five teams

792
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: after him, which means he's probably gonna get overpaid.

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00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: Dan Moore Junior exactly doesn't mean you're not a good

794
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: player and you don't belong on an NFL field.

795
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: Or you're not worth the money. It's just it's a.

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00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: The You're probably just pure value.

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: You're worth whatever you get.

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00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, That's that's what the free market dictates.

799
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Two more on the could be over pay list David Edwards,

801
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: the guard from the Bills, and Kyle Pitts, the tight

802
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: end from the Falcons.

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00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Edwards is a piece in a really good line.

804
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 3: They probably won't cry to lose them. They'd probably rather

805
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: have the third round comp pick, like the Dan Moore situation. Pitts,

806
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this well you know what

807
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: I mean.

808
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: And they're saying if they don't franchise tag him, he'll

809
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: be the top kind of playmaker at that position, and

810
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: so someone will attempted to overpay for someone.

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Speaker 3: We're kind of hoping that he's the Florida version. And

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: I don't know whoever be that guy, Like I don't

813
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: know who's ever be worth a top five pick.

814
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: And to be fair, there's probably not many tight ends

815
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: throughout history you would say would be right, you better

816
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: be growk and Kelsey and.

817
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe Bowers, you know, and he didn't got in

818
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: top five.

819
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right?

820
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: Four?

821
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: Who could be underpriced? And I'll start with the Pittsburgh

822
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: Steeler connection Kenneth Gainwell, sure.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he's gonna make. I've been really

824
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: kicking this one around, and contracts aren't my specialty. Like

825
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: if you said you could get him for five, I

826
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: think Warren's making like five or six.

827
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: I think like five and a half second, Yeah.

828
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: About right. I'm thinking he'll get a little more than

829
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: Warren if he hits the open market two year deal

830
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: at fourteen. I don't know if I'm interested in that

831
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: in or not, but I wouldn't blow me away either.

832
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: If the Titans or somebody has so much money is

833
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: like two years, eighteen million, and then he should be

834
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Speaker 3: on this list.

835
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Speaker 2: Because who cares? Right who? Yeah, we're overpaying for him,

836
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: but we got the money to do it. We have

837
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: to spend it.

838
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's the thing people don't realize.

839
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: You have to spend You have to at least hit

840
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: a floor.

841
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: You have to hit a floor. So okay, we are

842
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: overpaying a little bit, but he makes cam Ward's life

843
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: a little easier dumping them the ball out of the backfield.

844
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: So we don't care because we have monopoly money.

845
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: That's how like there's been some of these struggling NBA

846
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: franchises and some of these struggling NHL franchises where it's

847
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: just like there's a night it's a nice kind of

848
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: retirement landing pad for some of these guys to get

849
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: a last payday. Yeah, because they have to hit the

850
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: salary cap floor and they're gonna give you a couple

851
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: million extra and a come be part of a bad organization.

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00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: So super quick. I had this conversation today with Marcus Mosher.

853
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: He's been on a show here he does Locked on Cowboys,

854
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: and we're talking about Breese Hall, and we're like, why

855
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: would they franchise Breese Hall. Sounds like they're going to

856
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: They're not gonna win anything this year. Running backs don't

857
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: help you win because they can't spend their money anywhere else.

858
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: They get all their good guys they traded, right, they

859
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: have nowhere else to spend it. They have the second

860
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: most cash based in the league. So Marcus mentioned he's like, well,

861
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: what they'll probably do is they'll give Haul a three

862
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: year deal and give them like all the money now,

863
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: so it hurts their cap now, and whenever they stink

864
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, they'll trade them for a third

865
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Speaker 3: round pick. Is oppose a fifth round pick because the

866
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: salaries will be so beautiful, hurts.

867
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Speaker 2: Your cap next year and just gets you rade the

868
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: draft capital.

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Speaker 3: And the new team's like, great, we get Breese Hall

870
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Speaker 3: for pennies on the dollar that you guys paid all

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Speaker 3: the moneys. A ton of Jets are like, we get

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Speaker 3: a better draft pick out of it.

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Speaker 2: Matt, we got like two minutes left. Two off ball

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Speaker 2: linebackers on this list of could be underpaid Nakobe Dean

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Speaker 2: from the Eagles and Leo Chanel of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Channell's a certain type of guy. I mean, he's like

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Speaker 3: a banger to sixty throwback, can play on the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage. But I see where they're going with both

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Speaker 3: these players because both those teams have had a lot

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Speaker 3: of linebackers, so they're not even always like every down

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Speaker 3: player since they've been there. You know, they Zach Bond

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Speaker 3: comes out of nowhere and is never leaving the field.

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Speaker 3: They draft your hot Campbell in the first round and

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Speaker 3: he's good. So yeah, they might be hitting, especially Dean

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Speaker 3: might be hitting their stride as we often talk about

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Speaker 3: linebackers at the right time, and or the leader of

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Speaker 3: their new team that never leaves the field type guy.

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Speaker 3: I could see that. Yeah, yeah, he's one that, particularly Dean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's won the modern day. If you tell me

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Speaker 2: a scenario that Queen is no longer with the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, he'd be one that I'd be interested in kicking.

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Speaker 3: The times they chose to cut Queen, I'd be like

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Speaker 3: cal Dean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, clean, pul Dean. That sounds like one of

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Speaker 2: those beads a billboard or sound. It's like a bad

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Speaker 2: version of better call Saul. There. We have an hour

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Speaker 2: in the books, another hour to go, and we are

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Speaker 2: very excited to kick off our number two with Cody Alexander.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the finest up and coming media

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Speaker 2: minds when it comes to dissecting defenses across the National

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Speaker 2: Football League. He will join us on the other side

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Speaker 2: to talk Steelers new defensive coordinator Patrick Graham. Our number two,

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Speaker 2: when we return west Uler Matt Williamson, it's the Steelers

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