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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows

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Speaker 1: and more. We are your two ministers of Minutia. I'm

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Speaker 1: Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan. Run talk. That's very good.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. I'm glad you're running out of

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Speaker 1: I'm glad more in the tank. Baby got my second win.

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Speaker 1: Um and Jordan, Today we're talking about one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite movies when I was a kid. At the movie

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Speaker 1: that really cemented my love of Tommy Lee Jones if

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Speaker 1: nothing else. Um, that's right. We are talking about Men

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Speaker 1: in Black, the Tommy Lee Jones starring Will Smith, co

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Speaker 1: starring Barry Son and Felt directed weird little movie with

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Speaker 1: all the great gadgets, awesome practical effect aliens, and of

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Speaker 1: course my boy Vinny din Afrio's amazing ten thousand chefs

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Speaker 1: kiffs turn as the giant cockroach stuffed in a skin

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Speaker 1: suit Edgar. Um, I almost said that was too real

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Speaker 1: for me, but that's that's not the right phrase there.

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Speaker 1: It was too too unreal for me too. Terrifying for me.

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Speaker 1: Tonight mais for me. It is so good I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to dive into it. Um. I almost airbrushed will

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Speaker 1: Smith out of that entire description, and then I threw

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Speaker 1: them a bone. This movie came out when I was ten,

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Speaker 1: and I saw it in the theaters, and therefore that

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Speaker 1: would and I held onto that belief firmly. I rewatched

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Speaker 1: it not long ago. And despite the sequels, which we

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Speaker 1: will not be talking about, and despite the long, slow,

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Speaker 1: excruciating the public decline of Will Smith which we will

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Speaker 1: also not be talking about, the first one has really

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Speaker 1: really help up. And I just still love it so much.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those few movies that could just

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Speaker 1: which is like just the best thing in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy to turn twenty five years old this month.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really, I mean, it does not seem except

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Speaker 1: those effects are still top notch. You know, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I actually pretty much totally missed this movie as a kid. Um. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: I kind of only a room in my heart for

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Speaker 1: one Will Smith alien related movie, and since Independence they

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Speaker 1: was released the year before, that had kind of gotten

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Speaker 1: to me first, kind of like how the who got

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Speaker 1: So my allegiance was with that, and so as a result,

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Speaker 1: I think I've seen like pieces of it at you know,

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Speaker 1: this is really something that was new to me. Independence

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Speaker 1: Day is like the jock version of Like this is

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Speaker 1: like the Apen Club kid. Like this is the indoor

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Speaker 1: of sense. It's like Douglas Adams versus uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: James Patterson. Well yeah, I mean, but yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: don't really we're not going to cover the plot, but

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Speaker 1: like Tommy Lee Jones character is like a whole little

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Speaker 1: melancholy arc and the way that it ends with the girlfriend. No,

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Speaker 1: him so that he can retire. It's so like there's

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Speaker 1: you're also a ginormous alien buff. Yeah. I, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: leave and you'll never feel again. Um So. On June,

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Speaker 1: he's not interested. Sorry, Yes, we gotta go with Will Smith.

428
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: And as part of his push to get Will Smith,

429
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: he arranged for a helicopter to take Smith from a

430
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Speaker 1: wedding in Philadelphia to East Hampton, New York, where Spielberg

431
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: was summering. Uh, and I guess thankfully Spielberg and Smith

432
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: hit it off. Smithberg, I've read various things about Will

433
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: Smith's casting. Supposedly he thought he was being pranked the

434
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: first time Steven Spielberg talked to him on the phone

435
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: about the role, and he almost turned it down, which

436
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: is adorable. And he also almost turned it down because

437
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: he's just done Independence Day, which famously, as I mentioned,

438
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: is also about Aliens, and he, I guess didn't want

439
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: to become the alien guy Aliens. Yeah, why am I

440
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: always the alien guy? Um? And it came out and

441
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: was a huge hit right before Men and Black wrapped.

442
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: His wife, Jada Pinkett Smith of yea, of let's not

443
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: do that. Let's not gonna do that, We're not going

444
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: to do that. She was the one who convinced Will

445
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: to take the part of Men and Black. I have

446
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: this that just reminds me of one of my favorite

447
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: jazz anecdotes, which is when Herbie Hancock talks about this

448
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: in this um It's called Miles Electric A Different Kind

449
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: of Blue. It's this beautiful, beautifully shot version of his

450
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: performance at UM I Love White, and they interview all

451
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: the band members and Herbie Hancock says, the first time

452
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: he got the call to be in Miles Davis his band,

453
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: he thought someone was playing with him because they all

454
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: used to imitate Miles Davis behind his back, just doing

455
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: like the whisper like Herbie, and so he like picked

456
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: up the phone and he's like, here's like, Herbie, I

457
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: got a gig for you, and he's like, get the

458
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: catty here, you know whoever this is like quit trolling

459
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: me and hangs up the phone and yeah, man, hanging

460
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: up on Miles, making Miles call you back. It's a

461
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: quick way to um piss him off. Similar thing happened

462
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: to the producer Glenn John's when Paul McCartney called to

463
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: ask him to produce the Get Back sessions. He's like,

464
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: quit taking the piss. Yeah, he was tight with Mick

465
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: Jagger because he produced a bunch of Rolling Stone sessions

466
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: and he thought it was Mick just calling to imitative

467
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: and he told him to go to hell and long

468
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Speaker 1: up on. That's hilarious. I feel like there's there's a

469
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Speaker 1: list school that needs to be written of people hanging

470
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: up on their big break because they think they're being pranked.

471
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: Because there's a long list of that. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Sonna Fell talking about Will Smith, had a really interesting comparison. Uh.

473
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: He compared him to John Travolta. He said they both

474
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Speaker 1: have that movie star thing going on. That's an interesting comparison. Yeah,

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00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: I will just gonna leave that one there. We'll let

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00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: that hang there. Yeah, imagine if it was Will Smith

477
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: and John Travolta in this can you get John Travolta

478
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: as uh as well, we gotta give rid of these aliens.

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00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

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00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment. Uh,

481
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: much like this episode. The tone of this movie was

482
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: something that they really struggled to get down. And it

483
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: seems like Tommy Lee Jones, God love him, was really

484
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: he didn't understand that when you're doing a buddy comedy,

485
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: you can't have two comedians. You gotta have the straight

486
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: person and the funny person. And uh, he thought that

487
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Barry Sona Felt was trying to make him not funny,

488
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: and he was very not happy about that. And Barry

489
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: Sonna felt rem bird Tommy Lee Jones is being quote

490
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: very intimidating as a result. These quoted are saying Tommy

491
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: just hadn't been in comedies and just didn't know that

492
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: you just need to play the same reality as you

493
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: do in dramas. Calls from his agent at the time saying,

494
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: you only want Will Smith to be funny, you don't

495
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: want Tommy to be funny. It's just hilarious. Yeah, I

496
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: just love the idea that Jones, who was just this

497
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: soulful text and hard ass just wanted to like played

498
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: to the cheap seats and do like broad comedy. It's

499
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: so good. I um, I just want to shoe horn

500
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: this in there. This is the moment when I want

501
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: to bring up the fact that Tommy Lee Jones was

502
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: I guess college roommates with Al Gore at Harvard. Maybe

503
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: it was kicking around in my skull somewhere, but yeah,

504
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones is stony countenance is pretty legendary. There's

505
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: the famous anecdote about him and Jim Carrey on the

506
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: set of Batman Forever. I guess Jim Carrey was sort

507
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: of picking up on kind of the frosty nous from

508
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jones on the set and a pro him

509
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: off the set at a restaurant and asked him, you know,

510
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: what's up? What's what's with the problem, And Tommy Lee

511
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Jones responded by saying, I can no longer sanction your buffoonery.

512
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: One of the all time put downs. Um yeah, Rolling

513
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: On production designer bow Welch referred to Jones as kind

514
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: of a pain in the ass. Sullivan said it was

515
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: my experience that if he knew it was a comedy.

516
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: He certainly didn't think it was funny, and he let

517
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: me know on quite a few occasions, sometimess funny. Though. Yeah,

518
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: it's like when you it's like when you put a

519
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: hat on a cat. Now it's just like they they're

520
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: they're not. This is not funny to me. This is

521
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: like you know, hence it makes it even funnier. Um, yeah,

522
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: he said, Uh, sometimes I'd write a whole paragraph and

523
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I would just see him exit out with his pen

524
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and then just do it and look during the scene,

525
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 1: which is pretty badass. I was gonna say, you had

526
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: to be able to do a whole graph on a look.

527
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: That's called good acting. Yeah. The guy who plays Mikey

528
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: in the opening scene is an act named Sergio Calderon.

529
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: And uh, he said, of Tommy, he is a little

530
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: bit difficult. But I do like how easy going Tommy

531
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: was with the goo in the movie being covered with

532
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: the google in the slime. Apparently that was fine with him,

533
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: whereas with Will Smith not so much. He really hated

534
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: that um stunt coordinator Brian Smurrs no vowels in that name.

535
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: I hope, I said that right. My first meeting with him.

536
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: I said, with Tommy, I said hey, hello and put

537
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: my hand out to shake his hand. He didn't even

538
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: put his hand out. He just said, my doubles, Cliff happy,

539
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: use him and we'll get along fine. And then he

540
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: turns around and walks away. And that guy was His

541
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: first credit was Animal House, which is another Landis appearance.

542
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: Ding Um, I love this. It's very pure to me.

543
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: Tommy's favorite aliens on the set with the worm guys

544
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: who were in the break room just shooting about coffee,

545
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: and he would just take pictures of them to show

546
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: his son. Um. We'll talk about Rick Baker in a second.

547
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Who is want just one of the all time practical

548
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: effects guys, just truly an artist. And Sanenfeld recalled that

549
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: Baker told him, you always want to work with puppeteers

550
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: because puppet tears are sad guys, and therefore they are

551
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: usually able to add lib and kind of banter with

552
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: actors in real time while they're working, which leads to

553
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: a much more organic relationship than a board twenty two

554
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: year old p a holding up tennis ball on a stick.

555
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: This is the way they do everything these days. Um,

556
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: And so he would he talks about the you know

557
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: the line where he's like, oh, that's not decaf, is it?

558
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: And that was an ad lib and uh and then

559
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: the puppeteers, says Vienna Cinnamon. I love that scene, and

560
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: so just the tone of this movie that they immediately

561
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: hit where they're just like, yeah, aliens are just hanging

562
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: out in the brake room and you know, they just

563
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: they have this easy, owing relationship. It's so good. It's

564
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of in a weird way, reminds me of Roger Rabbit,

565
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: where the cartoons are just like, you know, you have

566
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: just fully integrated exactly. So good. Um. But you know,

567
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: despite all that, Tommy did not quibble with the results.

568
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Sanfeld has a sweet anecdote that when he was doing

569
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: the press for this and someone would ask like, you know,

570
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: you're funny, like how did you get that? And Jones said,

571
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: the secret to being funny is to stand next to

572
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Will Smith and do whatever Barry Sonnenfeld tells you to do,

573
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: which may have sarcastic, may have been oh yeah, that's okay, fair, Um,

574
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: not too much about wille Smith on the set that

575
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: I was able to turn up. Art director Thomas Duffield

576
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: just said Will was always great. I never saw him

577
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: even get mad, and he gave everybody a bottle of

578
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: dom perignon at the end. Um But yeah, maybe a track.

579
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: It was a different story. Son and Field said, Will

580
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: has really nasty farts. There's a scene where he and

581
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Lee are driving through the Midtown Tunnel. He's playing

582
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: Elvis on the radio. No, son, Elvis is not dead.

583
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: He just went home. Uh, and the car turns upside down.

584
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: They're driving on the ceiling. He says. So we had

585
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: a rig to put Will and Tommy into the car body,

586
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: and then we had to seal that and turn the

587
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: rig upside down on a green screen stage. By the

588
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: time you'd seal it, turn it upside down, make sure

589
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: it was safe, it was about ten minutes of work.

590
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: We finally got upside down. We're ready to shoot, and

591
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: then we hear Will say, oh Jesus, I'm so sorry, Tommy. Guys,

592
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: get out of here, get us out. And we panicked

593
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: and started to turn it around, and you hear Tommy say, no, Will,

594
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: it's okay, and Will it was like, no, it's not,

595
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: get us out. He had farted so bad in this

596
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: enclosed space. Tommy is a manly man. So he played

597
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: it cool, but man, as soon as we opened it up,

598
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Tommy was out of there, he said, for all of

599
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: his disgruntled nous. Both the material, yeah, the goo being

600
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: locked in as soon as the camera starts rolling, and

601
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: t LJ is there for results. Baby, Um Tommy Jones

602
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: so much kind of like calling just Tommy Jones. Uh

603
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: Snefeld told Insider I think this year that the first

604
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: time they shot the two of them in scene together

605
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: was the pawn shop scene with Tony shall ub Um

606
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: and Smith ad libs the last line where he goes, yeah,

607
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back about those role xes and like

608
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: that was the lightbulb moment with Son and Fold was like, yeah,

609
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: we did the right thing. These guys have good chemistry together.

610
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: This is really gonna work. Uh. Smith also came up

611
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: with the classic I make this look good scene during rehearsals.

612
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Are you agent K or Agent J in our in

613
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: our dynamic? I don't think either of us are. Yeah, yeah,

614
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: we're not cool enough to be Will Smith and we're not.

615
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: I'm probably I'm angry enough, but so you're basically saying

616
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm not too which I'll take us a badge of honor. Um.

617
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: You know, I do not want to feed into the

618
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: narrative about difficult women in Hollywood, But good luck finding

619
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: anyone who has anything nice to say about Linda Fiorentino.

620
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: She went around telling people that she won the role

621
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: of deputy medical Examiner Laurel Weaver in a game of

622
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: poker with Sonenfield, and he flatly denied this, saying, that's

623
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Linda's legend. Um brag about that. Yeah, I didn't. I

624
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't hear in this role. I wanted in a poke.

625
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean so in a way it almost works against her. Yeah,

626
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: And he just said that, Yeah, we played poker together

627
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: at one point, and or she was sat down at

628
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: a table where I was already playing poker, and I

629
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: that's where I thought of her. Um. The inverse oral

630
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: history does not even mention her at all. And there

631
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: has been a persistent rumor that Jones would only return

632
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: for the film's sequel if she didn't, which she has

633
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: obviously denied. Yeah, a lot of people have said not

634
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: nice things about her. Kevin Smith, who worked with her

635
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: on Dogma, did not mince words about her, telling TV

636
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Guide in two thousand, Linda created crisis and trauma and anguish.

637
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Speaker 1: She created drama while we were making a comedy. She

638
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: was ticked off that there were other people in the

639
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: movie who were more famous than she was. Um yeah, yeah,

640
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: scorched earth that her career has certainly suffered. But there's

641
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: an interesting note about her offstage life. In two thousand nine,

642
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: she was involved in a real life, actual FBI case

643
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: involving her boyfriend at the time FBI agent Mark t

644
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: Rassini and her X who is a very famous private

645
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: eye and I'm Anthony Pelicano, big wire tapper p A

646
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: in l A and Linda. I guess was feeding confidential

647
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: FBI documents to her ex boyfriend, this wire tapper guy,

648
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: and she got caught. So she said she wanted these

649
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: FBI documents because she was working on a movie and needed,

650
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, be helpful for her research. This was not true.

651
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: She just wanted to help her ex boyfriend, the wire tapper.

652
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: She was actually put on probation and find over this. Yeah.

653
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I love the fact that she caused the decline of

654
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: an FBI agent to protect an X makes me like

655
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: her more. Now we arrive at a little section I

656
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: like to call vincent ing Dinofrio baby. Yes, um, the

657
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: real star of the film obviously. Ah, he's absolute that turn.

658
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean talk about committing to the bit. He is

659
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: obviously a giant cocker stuffed inside of a skin suit. Um.

660
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: An we all, John to Turo and Bruce Campbell were

661
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: both off of the role. I could see t Turo,

662
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: I can't really see. Campbell would have been amminate too much.

663
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert compared Vincent n Ferro's performance or the character

664
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: at least two orson Wells in a Suit of Armor,

665
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: which I love. Um. Twenty nineteen, Vulture did an entire

666
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: oral history of just the sugar in water scene, which

667
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: is just so perfect. Edgar your skin, his hair off

668
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: her face. Uh, that seems so good anyway, So they

669
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: talked to son Fel, they talked to Vincent for it,

670
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and Sonnfield says, Donofrio's name came up early with the

671
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: casting director and I thought he was great. And then

672
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: he segues into an amazing Stanley Kuberck story. Um, because

673
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: he had directed Vincent in full metal jacket. Uh. Kuper

674
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: apparently made Vincent come to London and drive out to

675
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: his like a baronial estate once a week. For months

676
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: and just like force feed him like a patte goose. Uh.

677
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: He would look at he would look at Vincent and say,

678
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: you need to weigh more, come back in a week.

679
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: Finally Vincent said, okay, now can I ask you some

680
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: character questions? And Kubrick said, that's your job, not mine.

681
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: So Vinnie meets up with makeup artist Rick Baker, Uh,

682
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: the aforementioned uh, one of this geniuses of practicals, and

683
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: started getting a concept for the character Sonevild's only direction

684
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: to him was always be frustrated, which is much more

685
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: than Cooper gave him exactly. So Baker just put out

686
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: a book recently. This is enormous coffee table book. That is,

687
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I haven't showed out for it. I probably will after

688
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: writing this. It is incredible. I mean, the man was

689
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: like Michelangelo with rubbers and Google. He has this insane

690
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: line about Vincent did Apria, which edges into Buffalo Bill territory.

691
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: He says, after losing all of that, after gaining all

692
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: the weight for for full metal jacket and then losing it, quote,

693
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Vincent's skin never came back as tight. Yeah, he had

694
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: this incredibly loose skin. It was great. Baker did apparently

695
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: did not enjoy working on, or at least did not

696
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: enjoy the aspect of this where he was working with

697
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: both Spielberg and Son and Folcus Spielberg was a producer. Uh.

698
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: He had to get all his designs approved by both

699
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: of them, and it was a pain in the ask.

700
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: They would just right back, like, oh, can you put

701
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: this guy's head on? This is this guy's torso, and

702
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I can't. These were designed to

703
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: be like interlocking pieces of like elaborately crafted rubber. You

704
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: can't just play like lego heads with them. But he

705
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Vinnie. They had worked together on

706
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: Tim Burton's ed Wood, which might have snuck up as

707
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: my favorite Tim Burton movie non Nightmare Before Christmas category.

708
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, players plays Orson Wells in that and his

709
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: voice is dubbed though right by the guy who did

710
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: the brand from Picking in the Brain, Maurice La Marsh. Yes,

711
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: um Rick Baker's move for this was trying to do

712
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: these old school lawn Cheney junior kind of effects, like

713
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: our lawn Cheney sr famously for Phantom of the Opera launch.

714
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, for everything, lawn Chaney juniors are one of

715
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: the early masters of weird practical effects and makeup stuff,

716
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: really groundbreaking work in stuff like Phantom of the Opera

717
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: and London After Midnight. I think he is the other one, um,

718
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: but he would do like spirit gum or paste pieces

719
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: of fish skin, I believe is what he used for

720
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Family Opera to distort his facial features. And then where

721
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: these like sort of these appliances all day for these shoots. Anyway,

722
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Rick Baker said to Vincent Detafre, like, that's what I

723
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: want to do for this. I'd like to pull your

724
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: eyelid and glue it down, and it's going to be

725
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: pulled down for the whole day. Is that all right?

726
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: And so they tested it and Vincent goes, can you

727
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: pull it down further? He said, Vincent was up for

728
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: anything I wanted to do to him, as long as

729
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: it made the character more interesting. Subsequently, that makeup took

730
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: six hours a day to apply. Uh San and Field

731
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: said Rick did an amazing job of making various levels

732
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: of deconstruction, which is something I forgot. I went back

733
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: and was looking at this. He gets so gross as

734
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: the skin suit starts to fall apart, and that they

735
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: thought that through because the collagen from the skid would

736
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: start to dry out, and uh, you know, by the end,

737
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: one of his teeth is just like falling out. Um.

738
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: So there's like three or four versions of this makeup

739
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: that Rick did for the film, and he said that

740
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: he thinks Peter Jackson has one of the farmer overalls

741
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: and shirt, which is I don't know, just funny to me.

742
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: And now we arrive at the voice, which is, this

743
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: is just such a class I love this, this little

744
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: image that Vincent din Afrial sketches. Nobody except for Rick

745
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: saw the actual character or heard the character's voice until

746
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: the first day of shooting. We went to the set

747
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: and did a take and he cleared this set. After

748
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: that he said, so, uh, is this what you're gonna do?

749
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: That's the voice, Vincent. Joffrey goes, yeah, that's what I got,

750
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: Harry sound and felt. He says, he said something like

751
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great or it's going to be a

752
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: complete and utter failure. Can you demonstrate I'm trying to

753
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: think of some of the lines that he says, Well,

754
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean the sugar water one. Uh, cot, it was

755
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: a little cot. I'll roll with him, very small cot.

756
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: That's the one. I remember, Um, I'm consistently amazed with

757
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: your ability to do these impressions on demand. Uh So

758
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: those voices Vincent, George C. Scott, and John Houston's, which

759
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: is probably most famous son has heard in Chinatown, and

760
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: we keep coming back to Chinatown in this podcast. George C.

761
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Scott had this particular raspy voice he had his whole career,

762
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: even when he was young. He got more and more

763
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: pronounced and scratchy as he got older. Vincent he had

764
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: this cadence he spoke with, which is kind of staccato.

765
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: He put very weird pauses in and then fly out

766
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: with a bit of dialogue, sort of the Nick Cage

767
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: approach or or Chris Walking. I was also really interested

768
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: in Houston's pronunciation of things. It was pedestrian in an

769
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: elegant way. He sounds out every letter. But I didn't

770
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: want it to be that slow, So I combined George C.

771
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: Scott's raspiness and cadence with John Houston's enunciation, So you go.

772
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Vincent Afrael went on to use this voice in the

773
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: Men in Black cartoon series from two thousand one. He

774
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: went on to voice all of the bugs in that show.

775
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: So even though his character may have died spoiler alerts.

776
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: The GEORGEI Scott thing you can really hear because he

777
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: just kind of like locks his jaw. Yeah, whenever he speaks.

778
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the patent performance he gives like Dr Strange Love,

779
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in the moment um, is something that, yeah,

780
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you can definitely really hear that. So to

781
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: get sort of the physical movement of this character down,

782
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: Vicidenofrio watched hours upon hours of bug documentaries, which is

783
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: this thought of him like aviator style, just in a

784
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: private home cinema. I imagine him as the as the

785
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: guy he plays in full metal jacket, just like sitting

786
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: on a toilet like a thousands of yards staring in

787
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of bug documentaries. And I guess he also

788
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: watched Peter Seller's performance as Doctor Strange Love, the wheelchair

789
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: bound professor whose body is inhabited half by nazis actually

790
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: a Nazi scientists, not unlike the ones that we thing

791
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: um not the last time we'll talk about Dr Strange

792
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Love in this episode. So he reasons after this intense

793
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: research that folded up bug would have very awkward limb

794
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: movements that scans so he went out and bought two

795
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: basketball knee races that locked off his knees and ankles

796
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: so that they couldn't move up or down to the side.

797
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: So for the first week or so of shooting, he

798
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: had these basketball knee braces under his costume to kind

799
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: of give him those herkey jerky movements. It's so upsetting. Yes,

800
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: And to the sugar water scene, yeahs On and Phil said,

801
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: we did seven or eight different takes from several angles,

802
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: and in each one of those he downed an entire

803
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: glass of sugar water. Because there's a wide shot, and

804
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: so you see him drink the entire glass. There's no cutaway.

805
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't an opportunity for him to stop. By the

806
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: end of the night, he had such a sugar rush

807
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: because he drunk eleven or twelve glasses of sugar water.

808
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: He was a real trooper. Yeah, that's that's insane. I

809
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: sort of shocked that there wasn't any easier way to

810
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: do that, or to make it so they didn't have

811
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: to drink actual sugar. I don't mean just this. This

812
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: got me thinking basically about how much sugar could potentially

813
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: kill a person. So I turned to an article in

814
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: the l a times with the truly tremendous headline can

815
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: too much Halloween candy kill you? Which I take offense to.

816
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: According to the American Chemical Society, in order to give

817
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: yourself a fifty fifty chance of consuming a lethal amount

818
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: of sugar, you need to ingest thirteen point five grams

819
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: of sugar for every pound of your body weight. So

820
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the average American man weighs around d pounds. At that way,

821
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: he would need to have eat or drank two thousand,

822
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: six hundred and forty grams of sugar to have equal

823
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: odds of living or dying. To roll the dice there,

824
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: that translates to a hundred and fifty five fun sized

825
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: snicker bars, a hundred and two fun sized packages of

826
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: playing M and m's, or more appropriately for our purposes,

827
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: eleven cups of sugar. So he must have gotten within

828
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: a coin toss of deaths exactly. That's my point, um.

829
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Makeup artist David Leroy Anderson were called the Beau as

830
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: he had to do this six hours and makeup. He

831
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: was on set at like you know whatever, two or

832
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: three in the morning. Um, and so he needed to

833
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: pick me up. Yeah, he said about the time the

834
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: sun was coming up. We'd step out of the trailer

835
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: for a cigarette, and Edgar Vinson is in full character

836
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: and people are walking around the streets of the meatpacking

837
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: district bumming cigarettes from him and not even looking twice

838
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: at the fact he's got nails growing out of his knuckles.

839
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: His whole face is all up. He's got big bald spots.

840
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Didn't matter at all, which just gives Son and Fell's point.

841
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Aliens were here in New York could be the perfect

842
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: place for them to be because no one would even

843
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: look twice. Love incredible speaking of famous people as aliens

844
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: in this movie, in addition to the many celebrity cameos

845
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: that we'll talk about later. The spiny headed alien with

846
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: its parent. That's Fern Troyer Mini me from Austin Powers.

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00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: Did you know that I did not? We cannot forget

848
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Speaker 1: Frank the Pug, the Ramullian alien disguised as a dog.

849
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: He was played by a professional who named Mushu, who

850
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: was given the star treatment. His owner. Gave an interview

851
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: to the National Enquirer for some reason in two thousand two.

852
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: He said he travels by crate in business class. Uh

853
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: goes under the seat the trainer stays in the hotel

854
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: room with this dog, sleeps on her bed, orders meals

855
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: from room service steak and chicken. He drinks only bald

856
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: water when he's on the road. He's a v I P.

857
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 1: Hollywood Frank. The pug is voiced by a guy named

858
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: Tim Blarney, who also provided the voice for robot Johnny

859
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: five from one of my favorite movies as a kid,

860
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Short Circuit. I love Short Circuit. We should do Short Circuit.

861
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I'd have to have to watch it. Yeah, well,

862
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would love it. I loved it.

863
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: A military defense robot gets struck by lightning and gained

864
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: sentience and doesn't want to be a Robotics like the

865
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: robot they've made self aware and then drowned itself. As

866
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: you meditate on at we'll be right back with more

867
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: too much information after these messages. One of the famous

868
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: New York City landmarks in the film gave him a

869
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: particular headache, the scene in which Will Smith chases the

870
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: alien um. I think he also added of the line

871
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: just be braining black men in New York today. That

872
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: was supposed to be shot at Lincoln Center, but the

873
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: New York Philharmonic suddenly decided to charge them for that,

874
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: so Sanenfeld switched it over to the Guggenheim. Clearly, ticket

875
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: sales from Madam Bovary that year weren't great got him face.

876
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: New York Philharmonic production designer bow Wout said on The

877
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: Men in Black Headquarters, it was totally constructed on a

878
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: sound stage at Sony happens to be tremendously long. His

879
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: reasoning was the Men in Black had money because in

880
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: policing aliens, they stumbled across inventions like vel crow uh,

881
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: and subsequently they were able to afford this sixties looking

882
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: airport terminal. He said, it was specifically fascinated with the incredible,

883
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: very famous tw A terminal Kennedy Airport and Queens, which

884
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: looks like I forgot I was supposed to look like

885
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: a bird, and that was the whole idea. That kind

886
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: of mimic the whole flight of a bird. But it's

887
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: just very weird looking piece of incredible piece of architecture,

888
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: which is featured in movies like Catch Me if you Can.

889
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: And it's now a hotel the way New York City

890
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: has been trending, or like it's not like a Starbucks. Um.

891
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: For the aforementioned Will Smith farting scene in the Queen's Tunnel,

892
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: they built a nineties six ft replica of the Midtown Tunnel,

893
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: which is one eighth the size of the real one.

894
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: It was ludicrously accurate, right down to the graffiti, and

895
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: it took him four months to build that thing. Um,

896
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of neat space stuff in here this

897
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: sphere when he's you know, Will Smith is first in

898
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: the amout of Black Headquarters and he picks up like

899
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: the murderous bouncy ball thing that King pongs all around

900
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: the HQ. Great Ripped torn said to be a practical

901
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: joke from the Great Attractor. I always thought that was

902
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: just a tossed offline. The Great Attractor is a real thing.

903
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: It is a gravitational anomaly about two hundred and fifty

904
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: million light years from Earth that is so strong it

905
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: affects the motion of every galaxy within hundreds of millions

906
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: of light years, presumably Ius UH, first detected by astronomers

907
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three. There's a website called Bad Astronomy

908
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: that was sort of a before Neil deGrasse Tyson on

909
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: Twitter was like their whole thing was just being on

910
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: movies for inaccurate astronomy stuff. But they actually praised Men

911
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: of Black for its accuracy. And there's a joke in

912
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: there too that this great attractor was what actually caused

913
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy seven blackout in New York City, uh speaking,

914
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: even saying technical devices within this movie the neuralizer, which

915
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: racist memories. Apparently the prop couldn't open and flash at

916
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: the same time, which created lots of headaches for the

917
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: production team. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, that

918
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: sounds just the sound of a strobe flash reloading, which

919
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: I think is just funny. They're like and just make

920
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: it sound like a camera. Um as is now famous.

921
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: The American Humane Society monitored every aspect of this, especially

922
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: the cockroaches. They're also famous for doing this on Joe's apartment.

923
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: Um wow. Yeah, I think every time I read about

924
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: a movie that has bugs in it, they talked about

925
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: the Humane Society shows up and literally counts the roaches

926
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day to make sure that

927
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: none of them have are famous. So that scene where

928
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: Will's pissing off edgar By like squish, I'm sorry, I

929
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: was that your Auntie Runch. Those were condiment packets like

930
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: mustard um. I guess the costume designer Mary eo Vot

931
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: heard that. Maybe I don't know if she heard or whatever,

932
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: but she consciously wanted to avoid the Blues Brothers the

933
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: kind of baggy ear cut of suit. Um, so she

934
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: tailored all the suits in the film to be these

935
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: more slim cut. The nineteen sixties silhouettes carried grants in

936
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: north By Northwest was a big inspiration. Will Smith said,

937
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: the last time I wore a suit was my eighth

938
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: grade graduation. The sunglasses used in Men in Black are

939
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: Rayband Predator two glasses, supposedly at will Smith's request. I

940
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: guess he really liked them, and after the film's released,

941
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: Rayband reported that sales of these glasses tripled from one

942
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: point six million annually to five million UM and I

943
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: guess there was some minor drama about this. There was

944
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: a special coding applied to the lenses to reduce glare

945
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: and limit the reflection from all the lights on the set,

946
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: but this removed the logo that's famously on all the

947
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: ray Band lenses, and ray Band tried to convince the

948
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: studio to reinstate the logo, but they refused, and after

949
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: some coursing, I guess Will Smith compromised and name dropped

950
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: the brand in the Men in Black theme song black

951
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: Tie with the Black Attitude New style black ray bands.

952
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm stunned, man, I want you to read more rap lyrics.

953
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I want you to read rap rics in a dead

954
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: on a tone for the rest of my life. Um.

955
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: The watch worn by Agent J in these movies is

956
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: a Hamilton's Ventura, which was a style made famous by

957
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley in the movie Blue Hawaii. And I think

958
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: they just did a reissue of it earlier this year.

959
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: It's really cool. It's like this weird triangular shape very uh,

960
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, mid century futuristic watch. How much does it cost?

961
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: The cheapest one I saw was like eight. I know,

962
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I wanted so bad, becoming a watch guy would be

963
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: so bad coveted. Um. But man, for all of this

964
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: care and thought that they put into it, they were

965
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: really scrambling at different parts of this. There were a

966
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: bunch of changes that they made of the plot. Well,

967
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I guess there were two changes that they made costly

968
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: and big ones, yes, huge ones. Uh. Five months into production,

969
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the original ending to the film was scrapped. They were

970
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: originally going to have this kind of comedic philosophical existential

971
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: debate between will Smith and Edgar, which thank god, they

972
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: changed that and they decided to British. Yeah, yeah, Douglas

973
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: atoms again. Uh. And then so they decided to rework

974
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: it into the action scene. This directly affected Rick Baker, who,

975
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: at the cost of one million dollars, had built almost

976
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: twenty foot tall animatronic cockroach and they were like, yeah,

977
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: we're not doing that anymore. So to do all the

978
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: c g I that's in their extra four point five

979
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: mill to the budget, they sent it over to Industrial

980
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: Light and Magic again with like two weeks left in

981
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: shooting for this. Another post production change was they decided

982
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: the whole plot about the smuggled alien galaxy was getting

983
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: very complicated because as part of the lower and backstory

984
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: to that, there was another alien race and they're called

985
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: the Baltians. Um. I don't even understand what I was

986
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: reading about that. It got very confusing to me. So

987
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: they wisely thought this cluttered this up, so in post

988
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: production they changed some of the readoubts and the men

989
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: in black computers. They changed some of the subtitles in

990
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: the diner scenes, all very crafty ways of doing this.

991
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: And then they just redubbed some of Frank's dialog because like,

992
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: obviously you don't need to reshoot a dog to get

993
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: the dialogue to line up. UM, And they cut all

994
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: of the mentions of that race with UM again like

995
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: two weeks left in post um and and so some

996
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: of the bonus making of materials for the home releases.

997
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: The Satton Field jokingly advised all directors to put talking

998
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: dogs in their films as an easy, I guess, sort

999
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: of escape hatch for correcting plot points later. Just have

1000
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: a talking dog to all the exposition so you can

1001
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: change it on the fly. I love that. Um. There

1002
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: are other winks to famous alien sci fi stuff in

1003
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: the film. UM. The driver smuggling the illegal aliens in

1004
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: the opening scene is driving along a road marked three five,

1005
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: and he claims to have been fishing in Cuernavaca is

1006
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: Nevada State road, also known as the Extraterrestrial Highway because

1007
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: it goes near ever aft one road you have driven

1008
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: h and Cornavaca is the Mexican city in which British

1009
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: UFO olive UFO. All that's that's an impossible word to say,

1010
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do in the Edgar voice. Cornavaca there's a

1011
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: Mexican studium which British rawfa. Just Cornavaca is the Mexican

1012
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: city in which British UFO ologist Gordon Creighton claimed flying

1013
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: saucer crashed near in n The explanation that Tommy Jones

1014
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: gives Edgar's wife sort of throws four of the most

1015
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: infamous explanations for UFO sightings into a blender. Uh. Those

1016
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: include swamp gas, which was Dr J. Allen Heinecks explanation

1017
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: of a Michigan sighting weather balloon, which is the original

1018
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: explanation for the Roswell incident, a thermo pocket which is

1019
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: uh Washington d c UFO sighting two, and light from Venus,

1020
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: which is one of the most famously used explanations for UFOs.

1021
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: We mentioned Douglas Adams earlier. There are nods to Hitchhiker's

1022
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: Guide to the Galaxy. The question about cab drivers being

1023
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: aliens could be seen as a reference to a line

1024
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: in So Long and Thanks for All the Fish, in

1025
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: which the guide suggests the dry having a cab is

1026
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: a good way to make a living for aliens visiting

1027
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: New York City and the whole That beautiful ending shot

1028
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: just such a tremendous concept where they zoom out of

1029
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: our galaxy in the universe and go even further than that.

1030
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: It's revealed to be a set of marbles that aliens

1031
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: are playing with. That could also be a reference to

1032
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: a line in the book where Ford Prefect tells Arthur

1033
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: Dent that he knew of a planet that got used

1034
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: in a game of intergalactic bar billiards and was potted

1035
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: into a black pole, and he just says, only scored

1036
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: thirty points too. I love Hitchhiker's Guy. It's so good.

1037
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I read a theory. I don't know how realistic this

1038
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: is that that end shot of pulling out was sort

1039
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: of a nod to the finale the TV show, saying

1040
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: elsewhere where the kids staring at the snow globe, He's

1041
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: imagined it all. The whole series was just in this

1042
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: kid's mind as he's staring in in the snow globe. Um,

1043
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that could be. It's not

1044
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: like a famously hated conclusion, Yes, very much so. It's

1045
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: basically like a giant It's like those jokes that don't

1046
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: have a punch line and just go on and on

1047
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. I think that's how

1048
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: people like kind of like, wait, that was just a

1049
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: giant waste of of time that there was the Yeah. Interestingly,

1050
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: the same year this came out, Contact also came out,

1051
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: and that opens with a similar shot where they start

1052
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: with something being broadcast on Earth and they go out

1053
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: now and now and now and now into space, past

1054
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: the Van Allen Belt, past all the planets, out of

1055
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: the galaxy, and then it ends in uh young whatever.

1056
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: Jodie Foster's character's name is uh air Away somebody air

1057
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: away her I her iris, right, which is really cool

1058
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: to watch that for the first time last year. Oh

1059
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: that was your first time? Would you think so? Just so,

1060
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: it's incredible, No words should have sent a poet. Yes,

1061
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: it was a great oral history, I think on Vulture

1062
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: that just came out like earlier this week. Um, such

1063
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: a good movie. Yeah, the book is amazing. Yeah, yeah,

1064
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: it's so good. It's beautiful. Um. Moving from the end

1065
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: credits to the opening credits. The fault in the opening

1066
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: credits was designed by a guy named Pablo Faro, and

1067
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: they're very distinctive looking, kind of walky handwritten. Um, there're

1068
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: a nod to the work that he did in Stanley

1069
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Kubrick's classic apocalyptic comedy Doctor Strange Love or How I

1070
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb um, which

1071
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: I think you know, in addition to just being a

1072
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: stylistic choice, probably was done to kind of telegraph like

1073
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: this movie will be equally sort of off kilter, government absurdist.

1074
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: So Danny Elfman did the score for this truly. Um,

1075
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I've kind of soured on Danny Elfman. I get too

1076
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: much for his Yeah, his whole like carnival ride. But

1077
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: he made the score to Batman, so you know he's

1078
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: forever grandfathered into being for that. Uh nominated for an

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: Oscar for the score, which, um, sure, and then his

1080
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: anecdote about getting this is so funny. Actually was talking

1081
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: to people TV about it. Elfman was on the set

1082
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: of Uh, I think what is a great movie sort

1083
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: of a misbegotten one, The Frighteners starring Michael J. Fox,

1084
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: directed by Peter Jackson UM, and they guess they were

1085
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: shooting next to each other, and so Vincent Dinofrio invites

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01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: him over to the men in black set. He's like, oh, yeah,

1087
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: we're doing this. I'm playing this gross monster like clean

1088
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: check it out and uh. On Danny Elephant's way back home,

1089
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: his agent calls him. He was like, they want you

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Speaker 1: to do the score for a movie called Men and Black.

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: Like what did you say? And he just goes I

1092
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: don't know. So somehow the presence of Danny Elfin was

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: enough to convince Vincent Dinofria to lobby for him to

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01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: do the score for this movie. Uh Sano Feld has

1095
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: a medium funny anecdote about working on it with Elfman.

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: They gave him some scenes to write for and he

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: goes out to check his progress and uh quote, he

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: had a place in Malibu that was so dark and

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01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: so scary. I go into this bunker that he had

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01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: on his Alibu property. It's pitch black. He's got skeletons, taxidermy.

1101
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty freaked out. And the initial stuff Danny played

1102
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: for me was totally wrong. So not only is he

1103
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: in this bizarre, pitch black Tim Burton esque world, he

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: has to tell Danny like, no, that's not what we want. Um.

1105
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: But he did say a week later, I drove back

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: to that horrible place of his again and loved what

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01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: he had done. Since. Unfortunately, all anyone remembers from this

1108
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: film is that King Will Smith's song. I hate Will

1109
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: Smith's run in the nineties, the laziest thing samples since

1110
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: that Puff Daddy thing. He literally just steals like there's

1111
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: nothing clever about. I took a break from this, and

1112
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: I took a baseline from that, and I took a

1113
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: piano or vocal hook from this. I chopped him up. Nope,

1114
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: he just takes songs and rewrites them. The Men and

1115
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: Black one is forget Me, not by Patrise, Russian Will

1116
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: to k or will any mean whever that piece it

1117
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: is is just the rock the Kasba just con stole

1118
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: rock the Kasba. The Wild Wild West one Wicked Wicked

1119
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: Wild Bob West is a Stevie Wonder song. I hate

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: all of them. Um, they didn't even ask them to

1121
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: do the song until they're in post production, which may

1122
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: account for why it's so being half asked. And then

1123
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: in the video they even ripped. They steal the electric slide.

1124
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: They couldn't be arsed to come up with an original

1125
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: dance for this, but what do I know? Because it

1126
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: topped the charts in Australia, Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland,

1127
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand, Switzerland, and the UK, but not the US

1128
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: because it was not released as a commercial single. You

1129
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: want to best rap performance Grammy for this? Oh is?

1130
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: If that means anything? Yeah? But still um. I think

1131
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: this Theme was Will's first solo song without DJ Jazzy Jeff.

1132
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: Poor Jazzy Jeff is robbed of a Grammy. I don't know.

1133
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: I will always have a soft spot for Will Smith's

1134
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: rapping because of the line and freaking it I read

1135
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: in the rap page if they refer to me as

1136
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: soft Yeah, more like Microsoft Will Gates of the rap

1137
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: game in Malibu and he touched about I just in

1138
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: Malibu and he's He's like Cuban cigar. I don't like it.

1139
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: It's just for the look, like you're such a nerd

1140
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: and I would just forever remember the You know eminem

1141
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: is not aged well, But Will Smith don't have to

1142
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: curse in his rap sell records Well, I do so him,

1143
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you too, just one of the great all time wrap

1144
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: This is the music video for the Men of Black.

1145
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: Theme was one of the highest budgeted in history at

1146
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: the time. I cost around a million dollars and much

1147
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: of this budget went towards executing Will's idea that he

1148
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: danced with an animated alien creature, uh Mikey from the

1149
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: film's opening scene. He wanted to have that character dance

1150
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: in the video alongside of him, and so they employed

1151
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: a really early form of motion capture technology to pull

1152
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: this off. The post production process took three weeks and

1153
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: ultimately gave him an alien dance partner, which looks medium

1154
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: convincing for the time, the same thing with Triple Platinum

1155
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: and has a very early prefame songs from Alicia Keys

1156
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: and Destiny's Child, which just fun I think it was

1157
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: one of the first Destiny's Child songs that came out

1158
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: with them when there were four of them. Yeah, you know,

1159
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: it's funny that the production piste off ray Band earlier

1160
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: because they were over thirty promotional tie ins marketing tie

1161
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: ins for this film, which is ray Ban. As we mentioned,

1162
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: Hamilton's watch watches, and my favorite one, Head and Shoulders,

1163
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: who did a tie in with the line keeping the

1164
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: men in black In Black For any of you who

1165
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: don't know, Head and Shoulders is the famous anti dandruff shampoo.

1166
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. I didn't get it because they were

1167
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: off their black suits. Yeah, it's very that's actually like

1168
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: some ad guy made triple all of our salaries for

1169
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: that song. Felt told Insider this year that we had

1170
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: a family and friends screening near the end of editing

1171
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: where we didn't have the VFS in, which is fairly common,

1172
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster. After the movie Who was released,

1173
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: people who were at the screening quote my agent, my lawyer,

1174
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: Ethan Cohen. After the movie was released and was a hit,

1175
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: they all said, we lied to you when we said

1176
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: it was going to be good. After the friends and

1177
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: family showing, we didn't think it would be I love

1178
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: hearing that after the fact, we thought that sucked. The

1179
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: film comes out breaks a bunch of financial records, but

1180
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: none that really stuck around. They're all subsequently broken pretty quickly.

1181
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: But it is interesting to me to note that this

1182
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: film was knocked out of its number one slot at

1183
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: the box office by your beloved large plane movie Air

1184
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: Force one. Um and Baker's work justifiably one the Academy

1185
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: Award for Best Makeup. Holy He's got seven Amy, All right, Well,

1186
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm is what I know. Uh. The film supposedly gross

1187
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: five eighty nine million worldwide off a reported ninety million budget,

1188
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: but as recently as ed Solomon claimed that the film

1189
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: was somehow still in the red. A few other filmmakers

1190
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: chimed in about this on Twitter, leading to a fun

1191
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: thread about Hollywood bookkeeping. Um. Apparently one of the examples

1192
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: of which and what Solomon is talking about, is that

1193
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: they officially claim a film has never made a profit.

1194
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: They say it's always just in the red to keep

1195
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: anyone from having a cut of the gross rather than

1196
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: the net. So if you negotiate for a gross or

1197
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: a percentage point of the film's gross, the studio will

1198
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: forever claim that the movie has not actually turned a

1199
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: profit to keep you from making any money for it.

1200
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: But how can they claim that when we can google

1201
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: the fact that it made you know, over half a

1202
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: billion dollars? I don't know, man um famous one of

1203
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: this is David One of the many famous ones of

1204
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: this David Prouts, who was the actor inside the Darth

1205
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: Vaders suit for the original Star Wars trilogy. He said

1206
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: he never received residuals from Return of the Jedi. Um

1207
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: As lucasfilm claimed it never made a profit despite making

1208
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: five seventy two million dollars worldwide. Truly the greatest industry Wow. Well,

1209
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: in real honest math, Men in Black was the second

1210
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: highest grossing movie of after my beloved Titanic. Um. Titanic

1211
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: came out in December too. I should probably double check

1212
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: that because that well, although I could see it make

1213
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: in half a billion dollars in one month, so maybe

1214
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 1: that's accurate. Um. It's supposed to be the highest grossing

1215
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: action buddy comedy of all time in the United States,

1216
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: which is a pretty niche category, but trailed closely by

1217
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: Rush Hour too, And I just thought this was really funny.

1218
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: During the film's theatrical run, there was I guess a

1219
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: lab error that caused problems for the film prints. And

1220
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: these film prints were sent out to movie theaters and

1221
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: they weren't formatted correctly for wide screen, so if the

1222
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: projectionists didn't frame it correctly, the audience would be able

1223
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: to see things that it will not supposed to see,

1224
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: like boom mix and lens shades and other technical gear.

1225
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: Wasn't a huge, huge phenomenon, but it happened enough. Man.

1226
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: I love that despite all the millions of the millions

1227
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars in the in Hollywood, this like

1228
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: that happens. Like do you remember when they put out

1229
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: The Mummy that's seen from the Mummy trailer without any

1230
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: of the music. Oh, this is Oh, you gotta google.

1231
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: This is so funny. They put out the I think

1232
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: it was an early trailer, early teaser for the Tom

1233
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: Cruise Mummy, which a film that so famously bad and

1234
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: flopped that it scuttled Universal's plans for an entire rebooted

1235
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: quote Dark Universe, where they were going to take all

1236
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: their old Universal Monsters properties and make them like an

1237
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: m c U style overlapping world and the Mummy. Yeah,

1238
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: I mean in theory and but but all the promotional

1239
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: materials are still up and out there, Like there's a

1240
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: tweet that says announcing the start of a new Dark

1241
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: Universe and has all of the actors in it together.

1242
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: Um and Mummy flopped so hard that they scuttled it

1243
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: and have never spoken of it since. Anyway, they release

1244
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: a teaser trailer from me that has Tom Cruise bouncing

1245
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: around the inside of an airplane in free fall, but

1246
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: there's no music in it, so it's just you just here, Tom,

1247
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: just air. It's so good. Uh. Men and Black is

1248
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: currently sitting in critical seventy nine percent audience rating Rotten Tomatoes.

1249
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: Getting back to what we said at the top of

1250
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: the episode, USA Today described Men in Black as quote

1251
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: Independence Day for smart people, which is pretty much your take.

1252
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: I didn't read that till the end. Oh man. I

1253
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: am appreciant or at the very least share of sensibility

1254
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: with USA Today. Uh. We're not going to talk about

1255
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: the sequels at all, as we mentioned earlier, except for

1256
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: one last bit um. At the end of the first film,

1257
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: agent j reveals to agent l Linda Fiorentino that Dennis

1258
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: Rodden is an alien easy joke to make. This reference

1259
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: was changed to Michael Jackson for the European dubbings of

1260
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 1: the film because Dennis Robin was not widely known in Europe,

1261
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: so that joke would have gone over their heads. But oddly,

1262
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson does make a cameo appearance and Men in

1263
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: Black two, and Seville said that he actually approached them

1264
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: because he loved the first movie and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: make him an alien, but he said, no, I want

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Speaker 1: to wear the Men in Black suit. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: this is like I think episode we've taped, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think i've heard your your Michael Jackson voice. It's

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Speaker 1: all stolen from it's all stolen from those Well, that

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Speaker 1: and the one VH one thing where Paul McCartney starts

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Speaker 1: talking about I'm gonna get your songs, your songs, Paul.

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Speaker 1: It's so cruel and it's just the basis for my

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Speaker 1: entire and Paulcarney, who has never been publicly cruel and

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Speaker 1: as a sore point for him, um run us down.

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Speaker 1: Jordan's The cameos that are in this film, Yes, a

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Speaker 1: bunch of celebrities make cameos as alien ends on a

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Speaker 1: TV monitor. There's Danny de Vito, Al Roker, Sylvester Stallone,

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Speaker 1: Dion Warwick, Anthony Robbins, Newt gang Rich and Scans, Barry

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Speaker 1: Son Fel, George Lucas, and Steven Spielberg. And I think

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Speaker 1: that they were actually like, I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: like footage from them. On IMDb it says that they

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Speaker 1: have an uncredited role, so I assume they, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: showed up and did something for this. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: some of them are in the background, but I think

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Speaker 1: they might be in some of the monitor, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't think that was like previously filmed footage.

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Speaker 1: I think it was specifically for this, at least that's

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Speaker 1: what IMDb says. Uh. There are also tentative plans to

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Speaker 1: do I know you said we were going to talk

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Speaker 1: about any sequels, but this was just so weird to me.

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Speaker 1: There were also tentative plans to do a twenty one

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Speaker 1: Jump Street Men in Black crossover movie with Jonah Hill

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Speaker 1: and Channing Tatum. It was actually announced at the Comic

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Speaker 1: Con in Las Vegas, but it seems like that idea

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Speaker 1: is still in development hell where it is likely to stay.

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Speaker 1: The Hemsworth one flopped pretty bad, right, Yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the film then in Black has an even bigger cinematic influence.

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Speaker 1: After the massive success of Men in Black, Marvel, who

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Speaker 1: owned the Men in Black comic, began to shop their

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Speaker 1: stories to other studios more actively, and this led to

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Speaker 1: the X Men films from Fox and the Spider Man

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Speaker 1: films from Sony. So in a way, Men in Black

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Speaker 1: pave the way for the Marvel cinematic universe. It's this

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Speaker 1: in Blade, yeah, which is incredible. I love it so

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Speaker 1: much that, um, you know these two niche comic book

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Speaker 1: properties that both happened to star like you know, Black Men,

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Speaker 1: which was now such a rarity in these all these

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Speaker 1: whitewashed comic films launched the m c U. Man, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's so cool for me. Got a love blade. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what else I have to say about Men

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Speaker 1: and Black Man. Such a perfect little gem of a

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Speaker 1: niche film. UM can't hold the sins of the sequels

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Speaker 1: really against it. Um. I urge everyone to go and

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Speaker 1: watch it, perfect little summer film. Just sit down and

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Speaker 1: uh taking the wonders of the Reverse and Tommy Lee

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Speaker 1: Jones and Will Smith's farts for you. I shall after

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Speaker 1: you sat through American Pie and Margarita Ville back to back.

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Speaker 1: I will do this well. Folks. Thank you for listening.

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