WEBVTT - #711 Packers Unscripted: Springtime subjects

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my

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<v Speaker 1>trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from different

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<v Speaker 1>locations here at lambeau Field as the Packers are in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of OTAs and wes. Two weeks of OTAs

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<v Speaker 1>are in the books, one week left to go, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by the mandatory mini caamp to wrap up the off

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<v Speaker 1>season program. One topic I wanted to get to that

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<v Speaker 1>we actually didn't get to on our last show. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a I guess you'd call it maybe one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more lighthearted or humorous moments of the off season

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<v Speaker 1>program so far as in relation to the media, was

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<v Speaker 1>with the announcement of that whole fair catch rule thing

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to kickoffs. And then just so happened, Keyshawn

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon made himself available at his locker after practice that day,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's just say he was having a little fun

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, what's a fair catch? I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of. I've never heard of that. So I don't think,

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<v Speaker 1>at least it doesn't seem as though this fair catch

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<v Speaker 1>rule on kickoffs is going to change number twenty five's

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<v Speaker 1>approach back there for Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to change rich Spasacia's approach

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<v Speaker 2>either from some of the tea leaves I've been reading

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<v Speaker 2>and hearing, and I'm sure that trickle down effect has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a key Sean too. Hey, listen, I understand the

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<v Speaker 2>mixed opinions on this. Obviously, Mark Murphy touched on it too,

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<v Speaker 2>and Murphy's take five on Saturday. It's a sensitive issue

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<v Speaker 2>because I think, first and foremost, as exciting as the

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<v Speaker 2>play is, as much as it was a real big

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<v Speaker 2>difference maker for the Packers last year. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>still think of Jonathan Franklin, I think of I believe

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Richardson was injured on that a kickoff. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous play. It's an inherently danger is played. As

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Murphy outlined, it's not just the speed, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>spacing of the players and the collisions that take place.

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<v Speaker 2>For that reason, I hate to be the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>guy that's, you know, saying, hey, take the physicality out

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<v Speaker 2>of football, because it is a physical sport. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>and appreciate where the league is coming from. To be

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly honest with you, Mike, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>XFL you watched this year. I really ended up enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>their kickoffs a great deal because it's still kept in

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<v Speaker 2>the component of the kickoff, in the kicker kicking the

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<v Speaker 2>ball off from the thirty thirty five wherever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It just moved the coverage players closer to the play

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It makes the kickoff slower, but it does

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<v Speaker 2>make you still have to be gap sound and disciplined,

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<v Speaker 2>or you could potentially end up creasing and breaking for

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<v Speaker 2>a touchdown. I wonder if that is the ultimate direction

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<v Speaker 2>this thing swinks, because, as I've said to you so

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<v Speaker 2>many times, I don't like fourth and fifteen at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't trust the officials with it. The

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I want to see is a defensive holding

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<v Speaker 2>call resulting in a team getting a fresh stet of

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<v Speaker 2>downs and maintaining possession of football. I don't care about. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you get a fifteen yard completion or twenty yeard

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<v Speaker 2>completion a touchdown, it'd be exciting. That's not what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried about. I'm worried about holding. I'm worried about defensive holding.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about some obscure, subjective pass interference call contact. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So given all these various scenarios, I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>fair catches the middle ground in all of it. Andy

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<v Speaker 2>Reid doesn't like to play no problem. You can coach

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<v Speaker 2>your kickoff returner to never signal for fair catch. The

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<v Speaker 2>ball could be anywhere and you tell them to return it.

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<v Speaker 2>But some teams, like the Packers before Keishawn Nixon, where

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<v Speaker 2>they were struggling to find a guy back there. It

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<v Speaker 2>does make some sense, both strategically and from the player's

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<v Speaker 2>safety perspective. As Mark Murphy talked about it, it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>exploring considering an It's an avenue that college football has

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<v Speaker 2>been using for some time now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you asked about the XFL part of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch any of the XFL, but I've read

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<v Speaker 1>and I've seen the highlights in terms of how they've

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted the kickoff, and I agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 1>eventually that is the direction the NFL is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go because it keeps the the basics of a kickoff

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<v Speaker 1>return in the game, but you are reducing the speed,

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<v Speaker 1>the nastiness, so to speak, of the potential collisions. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know they'll study the data in the XFL, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to injury rates and things like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think it's going to go that way eventually. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about is the other issue that you raise.

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<v Speaker 1>Then if that's what you're doing, and all those coverage

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<v Speaker 1>guys are already downfield for a kickoff, then what do

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<v Speaker 1>you do for an onside kick? And maybe it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be something where the kicking team has to declare

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to try an onside kick and then

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<v Speaker 1>they actually are forced to kick the ball on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know, you can't declare you're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>an onside kick and then pull a switcher through and

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<v Speaker 1>kick a you know, a pop up, or kick a

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<v Speaker 1>deep or something that recreates the dangerous elements of the play.

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<v Speaker 1>So so those kinds of things that you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think will be in the works here in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>over the next several years as they as they try

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<v Speaker 1>to get the injury rate on kickoffs reduced.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if they would end up and I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you one hundred percent on what you're saying with

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<v Speaker 2>the on site, but even if let's say they would

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<v Speaker 2>have a pop up, you still have a returner back

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<v Speaker 2>there and you still have the coverage players and the

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<v Speaker 2>return team closer together. That's the biggest thing in this

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<v Speaker 2>that I've learned over the last ten years, because dude,

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<v Speaker 2>trust me. When they pushed up the kickoff from the

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<v Speaker 2>thirty to thirty five, however, many years ago, that was

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<v Speaker 2>I hated the idea. I hated the idea of there

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<v Speaker 2>being more, you know, kickoffs that are just going to

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<v Speaker 2>be brought for a touchback, you know, and starting at

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty five. I didn't like that because it is

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<v Speaker 2>an exciting play. I grew up with Desmond Howard and

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Rossam and you know, these guys that made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of excitement out of that. But that being said,

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<v Speaker 2>as you grow older and you understand the physical safety

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of this, and that a majority of these plays

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<v Speaker 2>that I have significant injuries are coming off of special teams,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you do need to finance because unfortunately, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>you worry about every single player on the field. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest when you're talking about special teamers, these

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<v Speaker 2>are your rookies, these are your first year players. These

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<v Speaker 2>are some young guys a lot of times that still

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<v Speaker 2>have their entire careers ahead of them, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see them be able to have those opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the respective side of the ball that they

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<v Speaker 2>desire and you know, not just that introductory phase.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it's a story to watch throughout this season

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<v Speaker 1>as we see. You know, if the Packers are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have Keishawn Nixon back there, he may not call any

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<v Speaker 1>fair catches all season. Line.

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 1>There may be, there may be other teams. There may

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<v Speaker 1>be other teams that will call a fair catch every

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<v Speaker 1>single time and just say, hey, we're gonna take it

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<v Speaker 1>out of the twenty five. We're not going to risk

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<v Speaker 1>a hit, an injury, a turnover, you know, possible fumble,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So but this is this is why they do it, right, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>because at the end of this year, they'll take all

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<v Speaker 2>that data. They'll see if it's gone up, if it's

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<v Speaker 2>gone down, what the returns have been, what have the

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<v Speaker 2>percentage has been, how many touchdowns have there been. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>take all of that into consideration and make their best

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<v Speaker 2>move forward. I like the one year your sort of

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<v Speaker 2>provisionary rules at the Packers now the Packers, but the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL has done I think that's been a good change,

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<v Speaker 2>not just with special teams, but all across the board

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<v Speaker 2>to see do a test trial to see if something works.

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<v Speaker 2>Put that balloon out there and see what comes back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Well, the other thing from a news standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get to here before we dive a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more into OTA's and our observations. The Packers

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<v Speaker 1>are during training camp this year, are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>having joint practices with two different teams. They've Matt Lafleur

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<v Speaker 1>has announced that for the first week of the preseason,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Packers travel to Cincinnati, they will go a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days early and have a joint have one

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<v Speaker 1>joint practice with the Bengals a couple of days before

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<v Speaker 1>the game, than do the usual walk through the day

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<v Speaker 1>before the game. The following week, when the New England

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots are coming to lambeau Field for a preseason game,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a joint practice agreement of some kind, although

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<v Speaker 1>the details in the schedule with regard to that have

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<v Speaker 1>not been released. But we've seen we've seen this trend developing,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just with the Packers, but with teams all

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<v Speaker 1>across the league. West that you know, the more starters

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<v Speaker 1>are not playing in the preseason because of injury risk,

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<v Speaker 1>and the preseason games are about, you know, your roster

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation for guys who are going to make the team

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<v Speaker 1>or not make the team, and the starters are going

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<v Speaker 1>to rest and not take that risk that joint practices,

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<v Speaker 1>joint practices in August, practicing against another team, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>against another defense, against another offense, in that controlled environment

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<v Speaker 1>where the quarterbacks not getting hit, where you know where

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<v Speaker 1>you know guys are going to you know, still take

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<v Speaker 1>care of each other because it is it is just

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<v Speaker 1>a practice. That's that's where things are going. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are now going to have joint practices in two

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<v Speaker 1>different weeks in the preseason in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the older I get again, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like in the special teams side of things. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is the right way to go. I think there

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<v Speaker 2>is We've seen a handful of these just says. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one they did against the Houston Texans wasn't great,

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<v Speaker 2>But over the years, especially like the Jets ones where

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<v Speaker 2>you had Robert Salah, Matt Lafleur be that friendship, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the cohesiveness between the staffs. I thought they gave

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<v Speaker 2>themselves really good work. I thought the practices last year

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<v Speaker 2>with New or with New Orleans were really good. The

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<v Speaker 2>idea of Green Bay, you know, the Packers leaving Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay to go down to Cincy for an extra day.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first thought about it, I'm like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's different. But you know, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>we typically end up not seeing that last practice before

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<v Speaker 2>a preseason game anyway, So I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>really changes. It maybe takes one away that we normally

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<v Speaker 2>the public and the media would see. But to go

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<v Speaker 2>up against a team like the Bengals with Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 2>and you know Jamar Chase, you know, seeing you know

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<v Speaker 2>jyr Alexander working against him, You're not going to see

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<v Speaker 2>that in the preseason. So so to have those opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>I think is really big. Certainly to see an old

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<v Speaker 2>school mindset coach like Bill Belichick buying into this and

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make the trip over here, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>says a lot in terms of where this league is headed,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the fact that these joint practices are probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to become more commonplace. I would be really interested

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<v Speaker 2>to see if this is the first time in franchise

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<v Speaker 2>history the Packers have had two joint practices against another team,

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<v Speaker 2>two separate teams in the same preseason exhibition season. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that ever happened, maybe in the six

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<v Speaker 2>preseason game seasons. But one thing I'll mention this has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with your question, but I was because

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<v Speaker 2>the question is going to keep coming up about Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Love and is he going to play in the preseason?

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<v Speaker 2>Are the starters going to play? You know what I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize, Mike, because I'm a couple years younger than you.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody asked, just a couple, just a couple somebody asked

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<v Speaker 2>an inside or inbox about how Steve Young did in

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<v Speaker 2>his first couple of years replacing Joe Montana. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>the story with Montana, the elbow injury that kept him

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<v Speaker 2>out in ninety one. I did not realize that he

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<v Speaker 2>suffered that elbow injury in the preseason. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that that was something. It took thirty five years for

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<v Speaker 2>me to realize. And there's been countless you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay we always talk about Jordan Nelson in fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, in a seventeen game season, the more

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<v Speaker 2>I just wonder if the juice is not worth the

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<v Speaker 2>squeeze in that regard to putting your guys out there,

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<v Speaker 2>because the tangent there is if you're putting Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>out there, well, is David Bakhtiari practicing or is he playing?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Elton Jenkins playing?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Those are really hard questions in scripted, somewhat vanilla game situations. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in these joint practices, you can actually throw the book

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<v Speaker 2>at the opponent a little bit more kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>handshake agreement, you know, so show some of your stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably not a great answer in terms of what

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL wants and keeping. You know, people go into

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<v Speaker 2>preseason games. But the more time that passes, the more

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sold. Now on these training camp joint sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you just look at the number of reps too,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know that in the day when the starters

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<v Speaker 1>did play in the preseason, there would maybe be one

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<v Speaker 1>game in the preseason where the starters would play a

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<v Speaker 1>whole half and otherwise these other preseason games they were

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<v Speaker 1>playing one series or two series. Well, those games, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what's one series, two series? Maybe eight snaps, ten snaps,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a dozen. You play a joint practice against another team,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas you say the Bengals with Joe Burrow and Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>Chase are going to go up against the Packers defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jay r Alexander and Preston Smith on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, you can go eleven on eleven in a practice,

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<v Speaker 1>they might go twenty five thirty snaps against each other,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in a in a controlled environment, in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively short amount of time, and it helps with

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, just you know, the looks as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the conditioning and everything that you're supposed to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of training camp. So it's not a surprise that

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<v Speaker 1>that things are trending this way in the NFL. And

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, we may get to the day. We may

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<v Speaker 1>get to the day west where with these three preseason

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<v Speaker 1>games where every preseason week, whether you're at home or

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<v Speaker 1>on the road, you're going the team is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go early in practice once or twice, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>a joint practice against the other team. That will just

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<v Speaker 1>be be part of how training camps in preseason schedules

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<v Speaker 1>are built. It may it may get to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Packers now already are at two out of

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<v Speaker 1>three with with just the three preseason games on the slate.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of other things to touch on really quickly before

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<v Speaker 2>you look at some more at OTA's first and foremost

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<v Speaker 2>Family Knight has now been announced August fifth. Can bring

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<v Speaker 2>your family, your friends, your fireworks, all of that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We leave. Mccaren would say, leave the fireworks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, leave your fireworks. We'll have the fireworks.

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium has its own. Yeah, oh yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But Family Knight always need to see that tradition. But

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<v Speaker 2>did you notice something last week that I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting that Matt Lafleur said, as we start to

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<v Speaker 2>transition into OTAs from all this the call it periods

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<v Speaker 2>in practice in you know, they also made the switch,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're not doing installs all four practices. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a new install. They're doing basically two per week, and

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<v Speaker 2>within those installs and within those two minutrils, they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>call up periods, you know, kind of mixing it up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Obviously, it's everything that they're doing is installed.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not just calling it off the dirt. But does

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<v Speaker 2>that remind you at all about the end of training

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<v Speaker 2>camp last year when Aaron Rodgers was talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how much he enjoyed those final practices because he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the last preseason game, they did a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more unscripted stuff. Yeah, it's interesting to me that that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that's getting more incorporated into this thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just wonder again, is teams look to maximize their

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time that they get with these guys every day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's it's very I feel like you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are watching an evolution of how teams are preparing,

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<v Speaker 2>not just Green Bay but in general, and what the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL is doing to sort of tailor itself now to

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<v Speaker 2>this this post. You know, two player safety heavy cbas

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<v Speaker 2>to to make sure that you get the most out

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<v Speaker 2>of your preparation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just to explain a little further for those

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<v Speaker 1>who might not be familiar with what a call it

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<v Speaker 1>period is in practice, traditionally, when teams are installing their playbook,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a series of installations, you know, where each

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<v Speaker 1>practice you're installing certain segments of the playbook. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>one installer, two installs in a given practice, But the

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<v Speaker 1>plays that are going to be run essentially are scripted

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time and the players actually have a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the ones that are putting in their time

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<v Speaker 1>off the field. Certainly the young players who don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the playbook very well. They have a chance the night

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<v Speaker 1>before the morning of whatever to go over all of

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<v Speaker 1>those plays that they would potentially be running in practice

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, and to really get the mental part down,

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<v Speaker 1>the assignments down, all that kind of stuff. What Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur has done this year for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>OTAs is part of the installation of the playbook. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just scripting all the plays. Okay, here's the fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>plays of this installation we're going to run in practice tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, here's the installation, here are the various concepts,

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<v Speaker 1>and here are the various plays. But then when they

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<v Speaker 1>walk out on the practice field, he's calling a play

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<v Speaker 1>into Jordan Love's helmet or into Sean Clifford's helmet and saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we're going to run. And then the player,

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<v Speaker 1>the players have to draw on their knowledge that Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I remember this play. Now I got

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<v Speaker 1>to go out and run it. They didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>extra that extra preparation time in advance knowing that that

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<v Speaker 1>play was going to be run in the practice. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's certainly a balance point there. When you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of young players. The Packers have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of young wide receivers, young tight ends all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of young linemen with the twos and

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<v Speaker 1>threes certainly trying to work their way into things. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a balancing act there in terms of getting the

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<v Speaker 1>young guys to learn the playbook, but also testing them

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<v Speaker 1>and finding out, you know, what is it that how

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<v Speaker 1>do these guys think on their feet and react Because

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<v Speaker 1>because when it comes to you know, September week one,

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<v Speaker 1>week two, and the Packers are going to be counting

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<v Speaker 1>on these young guys to do some things, the coaching

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<v Speaker 1>staff can't be standing there on the sidelines wondering, well

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<v Speaker 1>is this guy gonna be able to handle it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got to find out, and they're trying to They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find out even a little bit earlier than

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. Instead of waiting for training camp, they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. They're doing it more here during OTAs. One

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<v Speaker 1>last thing, also on Family Night. Tickets for Family Night

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<v Speaker 1>So I will get to some sponsor business here Wes

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<v Speaker 1>of better. All right, you brought up their names just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit ago, David Baktiari and Elton Jenkins talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Okay, what are going to be the decisions as

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<v Speaker 1>to whether or not they play in the preseason? How

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<v Speaker 1>does that impact? Jordan Love We spoke with both bak

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<v Speaker 1>Tiari and Jenkins in the locker room after last week's

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<v Speaker 1>open locker room session following the practice that was open

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<v Speaker 1>to the media, and Elton Jenkins came right out and

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<v Speaker 1>said it. He said, you know, he's talked to Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>Their goal is at left guard, left tackle. Their goal

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<v Speaker 1>is to be the best left side in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly when you're talking about a guy who's had

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<v Speaker 1>five All Pro selections at left tackle, you know, multiple

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<v Speaker 1>first team, multiple second team All Pro selections in Baka,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a guy like Jenkins at left guards who

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<v Speaker 1>has been named to a Pro Bowl and then also

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<v Speaker 1>played obviously various other positions along the line. But you

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<v Speaker 1>get the sense, Wes that the goal here, as much

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<v Speaker 1>as Elton Jenkins has helped out this offensive line through

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of injury situations with moving around and everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>the goal here in twenty twenty three is to have

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<v Speaker 1>David Baktieri and Elton Jenkins lining up side by side

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<v Speaker 1>on the left side absolutely as often as possible for

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love here, because that is what is going to

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<v Speaker 1>help this Packers offense really make this transition to a

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<v Speaker 1>new quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like to me, Mike, like your favorite band

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<v Speaker 2>getting back together, right like the reunion tour, the Blink

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two reunion tour here, because while there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>separation by any means, obviously Bakhtiari and Jenkins kind of

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<v Speaker 2>went their own directions and a lot of that had

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<v Speaker 2>to do with injuries. But I felt like the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>finally started to find some answers with their offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>during the final month of that season after well. Sandwiched

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<v Speaker 2>in between was the appendec to me, because obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>have to just throw in an emergency app and dect

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<v Speaker 2>to me in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right when things were starting to settle down and

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to start lining up next to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>then David Boktieri has an appened neck. To me, interesting though,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll throw the statistic at you and then I'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you continue. I actually look back because of Boktieri hurting

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<v Speaker 1>his knee at the end of twenty twenty and then

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<v Speaker 1>obviously November twenty one, Elton Jenkins has his knee injury,

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<v Speaker 1>Boktieri has complications with his return and then ends up

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<v Speaker 1>having the appendct me and everything last year, if I

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<v Speaker 1>did the research correctly, including playoffs. The Packers last thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight football games, Baktiari and Jenkins have lined up side

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<v Speaker 1>by side on the left side only six times in

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight games. And when you think about how important

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<v Speaker 1>those two players are to this Packers offense being at

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<v Speaker 1>its best no matter who the quarterback is, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>just the continuity that that can provide. If those two guys,

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<v Speaker 1>two of the best in the business at those spots

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle and left guard, if they can be side

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<v Speaker 1>by side on a weekly basis, how much of a

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<v Speaker 1>difference that makes, And how for the last thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>games only six times in thirty eight games. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to fathom that note that those numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are well, and just how freaking good they were next

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<v Speaker 2>to each other in nineteen and twenty nineteen was a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where it wasn't even looking like that was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the original arrangement because Lane Taylor had made

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<v Speaker 2>his way back from his injuries. It was going to

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<v Speaker 2>step in there, but that's the direction it had to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jenkins proved to be just a revelation at that spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I give so much credit to Elton because no matter

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<v Speaker 2>where you put him. He always stood up, He stood

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<v Speaker 2>in and really stepped up. But we got to remember

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<v Speaker 2>that this guy is a two time Pro Bowler at

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<v Speaker 2>left guard, and I think, in my opinion, when he's healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the best less left guard in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 2>Could he play something else down the line, sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>right now you have a five time All Pro left

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<v Speaker 2>tackle that is healthy again, a guy that still has

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<v Speaker 2>potential Hall of Fame, you know, possibilities in David Boktiari.

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<v Speaker 2>Being able to work those guys together. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the reasons why Jenkins grew as quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as he did in this offense, being able to be

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<v Speaker 2>between Baktyari and another All Pro and Corey Linsley, and

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<v Speaker 2>now those two are going to become sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>stalwarts on this thing. Is things we try to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what gets worked out to their east. Everything I

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<v Speaker 2>think is pointing up for them right now. The other

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of it I like too, and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers are going to have to figure out what

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 2>the plan is for David Baktiari with how much he practices,

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, how much he plays because I look at

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 2>him in a lot of ways as like a level

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 2>one hundred Pokemon, where if you ever played the video game,

0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a guy gets to a certain level and you know,

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I know they always say you can improve and whatnot,

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>but realistically, we know what David Boktiari is going to

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 2>give you if you get him to Sunday. How do

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.120
<v Speaker 2>we get him full health, full stamina to those markers.

0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to see because I felt like

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 2>in the second half of the year, once we got

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>past that Washington game and a little bit of a

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:06.160
<v Speaker 2>hiccup in a really weird day in Detroit, that that's

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 2>what they were able to do. And that Thursday night turnaround, Mike,

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>because I wrote in the story that I put together

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 2>on Monday, when you think back to the fact that

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the Packers they needed to start winning some games there

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and David stepped up and played on four days rest

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>in that game against the Titans, that was what showed me, Okay,

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 2>they figured something out here, and if you get that

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>piece worked out, then things start to settle in with Okay,

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.439
<v Speaker 2>where's the Ashneimen working, Where is Zach tom working? Is

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.639
<v Speaker 2>John Runyan going to stick in there at right guard?

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.879
<v Speaker 2>That everything when you look at the possibilities off on

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line starts with having David Baktiari and Nelton

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Jenkins available and healthy on the left side.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and what's going on on the right side

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>will certainly be a story to watch all throughout training camp,

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.919
<v Speaker 1>especially after the pads go on in terms of you know,

0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.879
<v Speaker 1>where is Zach tom competing You mentioned John Runyan, is

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>he going to you know, stay in trench there at

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.359
<v Speaker 1>right guard or is anything anything going to happen there?

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And then with Josh entering his third season at center.

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Although you know, as Luke Bukis pointed out, I mean,

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Josh Myers only played a handful of games as a rookie,

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>so last year wasn't really year two for him. It

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>was more like year one point five. So this is

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.479
<v Speaker 1>sort of like year two point five for Josh Myers,

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and there are a lot of expectations there for him

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>as well as the rest of that offensive line sorts

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>itself out. So one other topic I want to get

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.400
<v Speaker 1>to before we go today, and it has to do

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 1>with the rookie receiver Romeo Dobbs. He was another player

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.439
<v Speaker 1>that spoke and to his credit, he's often available at

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>his locker and is very accommodating to the media with

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 1>all the questions that want to be asked about the

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>rookie wide receivers. But we saw something in practice. The

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>one practice we got to see last week, there's a

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>two minute drill at the end of practice. Jordan Love,

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>I believe, completed either six or seven passes on that

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>drive to get the offense down into field goal range.

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Four of those completions went to number eighty seven went

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to Romeo dobs and I don't want to make too

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 1>much of it. It was one practice, it was one

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>two minute drill. But we know that those two guys

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 1>have worked a little bit together in the off season,

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, away from Green Bay, and then with what

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>we saw with with four catches and one two minute drill,

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely a chemistry developing between Romeo Dobbs and Jordan Love.

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>And it's going to be really, really interesting to see

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>just where this goes between those two guys, because they

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 1>you can hear when either one of them talks. You

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.719
<v Speaker 1>can hear the excitement in their voice as far as

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>as far as where this might be headed and their

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to work together in Green Bay.

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I just love watching Romeo Dobbs play the game of football.

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 2>You know. The fact is, Mike, Now, Christian Watson's going

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 2>to probably over the long haul here, if he stays healthy,

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 2>He's going to get a lot of a national recognition

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and accolades. His size, his speed, I mean, he's a

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 2>walking sports center top ten, right, I mean, I think

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the ten longest plays last year for the Packers, I

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>think he had five or six of them, and he

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 2>played in like half the games. So we understand what

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why Christian Watson was drafted where he

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 2>was and why a lot of people thought he could

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>have potentially been a first round pick. But Romeo Dobbs

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is the type of player that you win with because

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I think he could be just as productive in the

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>National Football League. I think he is an absolute magnet

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.640
<v Speaker 2>to the football. But you know what you said there,

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and it just brings me back. And I wrote about

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 2>an inbox last week too, about you know, it was

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 2>just one practice, just one two minute trill. But by golly,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>when he's healthy, this is all this kid does. It's

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>all he does, Mike. The only time we've seen Romeo

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Dobbs kind of had a hiccup was when he was

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>coming off with that ankle injury. A couple drops here

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and there, but by and large, man this guy last year,

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>every single practice we kept putting that same qualifier on him.

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>One practice, one OTA, one offseason program, one training camp practice,

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>one preseason game, and he just kept stacking. And what

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>does that tell you, might Well, it tells you that

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback that was throwing to him and learning a

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of those offseason practice is the quarterback that was

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 2>throwing to him in those preseason games was Jordan Love.

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>And as Jordan Love gets his comfort level in this offense,

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I think there really is something to be said for

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's already developed the report that he

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>has with Dobbs, with Samori Toure. You know, Christian Watson

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 2>missed a lot of camp last year with the knee thing.

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is is that these young guys that

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>came in last year, they got to rep a lot

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 2>with Jordan Love. And I think when you're seeing some

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>of these team periods now with these now second year receivers,

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>you can tell that there's a chemistry and a bond

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>that has sort of been forged in those settings that

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>now we're going to have a chance to see sort

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>of translate on game days.

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I thought I pressed Dobbs a little bit

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>with regard to, you know, that comeback from the injury

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know, sort of what he learned and his

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>perspective on it was really interesting because he admitted like

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 1>it was really tough and he knows that when he

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 1>came back after missing a month and that was that

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>was a nasty ankle injury from uh. I mean, in essence,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.719
<v Speaker 1>he missed five games because it happened on the first play,

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>first offensive play in Detroit. He messes up the ankle,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>he misses that game and the next four before he

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>comes back. But we also saw he wasn't he wasn't

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the same player when he came back from that, and

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that's something that that's something that stuck with

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit. And uh and he appreciates, you know,

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>looking back at it now, it wasn't fun. It was

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>difficult to go through, but he appreciates the fact that

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>he had to work through something that significant as a

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>rookie when you know he was off to a really

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 1>good start. You know, his arrow is pointing up, things

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>are going great. He has a major setback as a

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>rookie with the injury, and then he comes back and

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.719
<v Speaker 1>he's not able to quite get back to the player

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that he was. That's something that could that that can

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.479
<v Speaker 1>provide a lot of fuel and and really a solid

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>foundation for a guy like Romeo Dobbs going into year two,

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>because there is nobody there. There isn't There isn't a

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>young player. I shouldn't say nobody, but it's been a

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>long time since I've talked to a young player in

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the locker room with with a lot of expectations put

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>on him and a lot of early success and everything

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that we've been talking about. Who is so self aware?

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>He you know, he doesn't. There's there's nothing there. There's

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing phony about this young man. It's everything. Everything he says,

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Everything he says is absolutely genuine. He's he's very very

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>introspective and uh and he wants to be as honest

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and forthright in answering the questions as possible. And it's

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>just it's how it's how he carries himself. What he

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>went through as a rookie, both the positives and the negatives,

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I think provide a foundation for a young man who's

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>going to have a really, really good career in the NFL.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That's an excellent point something I hadn't really thought about

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>because when you think about his last two years in Nevada,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was just a world burner, right, I mean,

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>the guys has a thousand yard season, seasons, touchdowns after touchdown.

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was the wolf Packs offense a lot

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of times, and in certainly the passing game aspect of it.

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>So here he is, he hits the ground running, He's

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the NFL offensive player the way three weeks into his career,

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>rookie Offensive Player of the Week, and next thing you know,

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, it looks like he's just skyrocketing. Hey maybe

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>this guy will be, you know, better than Christian Wantson.

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Those debates started, and then he has the ankle injury

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>in Detroit. Fortunately for the Packers, they only have to

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>play in Detroit once a year, so hopefully you hope

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that you can get through that, you know, trap and

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, continue on. But I think in a lot

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>of ways it can be positive because it is now

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of telling Romeo Dobbs, this is what adversity looks like,

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's what it looks like at this level. Because

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I think one thing that I've started to learn more

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and appreciate is that difference between like injured and hurt, right, yeah,

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>because it's not just about hey, Okay, you were out

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>for four weeks and now you're back and now you're

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 2>a hundred percent again. I doubt Romeo Dobbs is one

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent the rest of the season with the foot

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>way no way so or with the ankle. So it's

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>like that I learned so much from that in twenty

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>fifteen with DeVante and how that can affect you and

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you and I were talking with some readers last week

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>about the footwork of you know, Jordan Love translates at

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 2>every position. It starts from the bottom and works its

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>way up, and how you're able to play the game.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just really excited for it because I feel like,

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>as much as we've talked about and beaten the whole

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>hey do they need a veteran receiver, the thing I

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>keep coming back to is, as long as they're healthy,

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I want Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs on the field

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>as much as possible. And beyond them, you have five

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>other draft picks that could potentially be In that conversation

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>as well, so the options are limitless, and as Romeo

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Dobbs keeps proving, no matter what the challenge is, even

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 2>for a second year player, he continues to meet that standard.

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, it's gonna be. It's gonna be fun to

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>watch with with that entire receiver group, but certainly with

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>all the attention that's going to be paid to Christian Watson.

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>The foundation that Romeo Dobbs got is a rookie in

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>this offense and now the raport he's developing with Jordan Love,

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it'll be it'll be fun to watch.

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>You ever talked to a player like Romeo Dobbs. Can

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>you think of one that you've talked to?

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, been in that locker room for a lot

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of years and he he is a one on one Yeah,

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>he is. He just the way the way he addresses questions.

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I even I even mentioned an insider inbox. He has

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a way of he has a way of being of

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>being honest and revealing but also very protective of certain

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>details at the same time. You know, he can give

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>you a really good answer to a question and you

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate the answer, and then you walk away kind

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of going like, oh, I wish I knew more, like

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I want to know more and he doesn't. But he

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite give you, doesn't quite give you, and you

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>have to respect that. You know, the players are players

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>are not obligated to share every detail, you know, in answering,

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, every question about trials and tribulations that they've

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>gone through. But he gives. He gives very very good answers.

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>But he does leave you. He does leave you wanting

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>more because you always feel like there's a little bit

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>more to the story that he's keeping to himself, and

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you respect that and then you pay attention and see

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>where it goes.

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the antonym is for, like a cliche,

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>but that's him, Like he's just he's so genuine when

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>in how he answers things. But at the same time,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's just sitting at his locker with

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 2>the lights on him, with his big smile and you know, like, hey, everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>come talk to me. He sits in his locker, people

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<v Speaker 2>come talk to me. He always says yes. He stands up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's very thoughtful, has his arms crossed usually

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and usually a smile will peak up. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's like this extremely extroverted I've never

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<v Speaker 2>covered anyone like Romeo Dobs for real, Like he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many of these guys that it's like they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fit into a certain area. And not saying

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<v Speaker 2>if you're extroverted that's a bad thing, that's a great

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<v Speaker 2>thing we appreciated as writers. But like he just defies

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different laws and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he certainly defies some conventions. But it's yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's very he's very refreshing. He's very refreshing and and

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<v Speaker 1>and very introspective and interesting to listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, I felt really bad because like

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<v Speaker 2>at the one point last year, I remember talking to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody locker Room'm like, man, Romeo is talking like every days.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, is he when's he going to get worn out? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like we try, we try to pick

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<v Speaker 1>our spots and uh, but yeah, it seems like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it seems like sometimes sometimes maybe he does

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<v Speaker 1>need to say no just uh, just so he can

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<v Speaker 1>give himself a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he's just he's just really super chill guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed covering him so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, absolutely well with that we will call

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<v Speaker 1>it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to follow all of our coverage of the team

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<v Speaker 1>one more week of OTA's mandatory mini camp next week.

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<v Speaker 1>for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you next time.