1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from different 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: locations here at lambeau Field as the Packers are in 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: the midst of OTAs and wes. Two weeks of OTAs 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: are in the books, one week left to go, followed 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: by the mandatory mini caamp to wrap up the off 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: season program. One topic I wanted to get to that 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: we actually didn't get to on our last show. That 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: was a I guess you'd call it maybe one of 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: the more lighthearted or humorous moments of the off season 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: program so far as in relation to the media, was 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: with the announcement of that whole fair catch rule thing 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: with regard to kickoffs. And then just so happened, Keyshawn 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: Nixon made himself available at his locker after practice that day, 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: and let's just say he was having a little fun 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, what's a fair catch? I've never 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: heard of. I've never heard of that. So I don't think, 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: at least it doesn't seem as though this fair catch 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: rule on kickoffs is going to change number twenty five's 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: approach back there for Green Bay. 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to change rich Spasacia's approach 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: either from some of the tea leaves I've been reading 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: and hearing, and I'm sure that trickle down effect has 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: gotten a key Sean too. Hey, listen, I understand the 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: mixed opinions on this. Obviously, Mark Murphy touched on it too, 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: and Murphy's take five on Saturday. It's a sensitive issue 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: because I think, first and foremost, as exciting as the 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: play is, as much as it was a real big 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: difference maker for the Packers last year. You know, I 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: still think of Jonathan Franklin, I think of I believe 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Sean Richardson was injured on that a kickoff. It is 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: a dangerous play. It's an inherently danger is played. As 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: Mark Murphy outlined, it's not just the speed, it's the 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: spacing of the players and the collisions that take place. 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: For that reason, I hate to be the kind of 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: guy that's, you know, saying, hey, take the physicality out 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: of football, because it is a physical sport. I understand 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: and appreciate where the league is coming from. To be 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: perfectly honest with you, Mike, I don't know how much 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: XFL you watched this year. I really ended up enjoying 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: their kickoffs a great deal because it's still kept in 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: the component of the kickoff, in the kicker kicking the 44 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: ball off from the thirty thirty five wherever it was. 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: It just moved the coverage players closer to the play 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: it is. It makes the kickoff slower, but it does 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: make you still have to be gap sound and disciplined, 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: or you could potentially end up creasing and breaking for 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: a touchdown. I wonder if that is the ultimate direction 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: this thing swinks, because, as I've said to you so 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: many times, I don't like fourth and fifteen at all. 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: I don't I don't trust the officials with it. The 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: last thing I want to see is a defensive holding 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: call resulting in a team getting a fresh stet of 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: downs and maintaining possession of football. I don't care about. Well, 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: if you get a fifteen yard completion or twenty yeard 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: completion a touchdown, it'd be exciting. That's not what I'm 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: worried about. I'm worried about holding. I'm worried about defensive holding. 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm worried about some obscure, subjective pass interference call contact. Absolutely. 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: So given all these various scenarios, I look at the 62 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: fair catches the middle ground in all of it. Andy 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: Reid doesn't like to play no problem. You can coach 64 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: your kickoff returner to never signal for fair catch. The 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: ball could be anywhere and you tell them to return it. 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: But some teams, like the Packers before Keishawn Nixon, where 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: they were struggling to find a guy back there. It 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: does make some sense, both strategically and from the player's 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: safety perspective. As Mark Murphy talked about it, it's worth 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: exploring considering an It's an avenue that college football has 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: been using for some time now. 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you asked about the XFL part of things. 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: I didn't watch any of the XFL, but I've read 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: and I've seen the highlights in terms of how they've 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: adjusted the kickoff, and I agree with you. I think 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: eventually that is the direction the NFL is going to 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: go because it keeps the the basics of a kickoff 78 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: return in the game, but you are reducing the speed, 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: the nastiness, so to speak, of the potential collisions. And 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: you know they'll study the data in the XFL, certainly 81 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: with regard to injury rates and things like that. I 82 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: do think it's going to go that way eventually. What 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about is the other issue that you raise. 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Then if that's what you're doing, and all those coverage 85 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: guys are already downfield for a kickoff, then what do 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: you do for an onside kick? And maybe it needs 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: to be something where the kicking team has to declare 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: that they're going to try an onside kick and then 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: they actually are forced to kick the ball on the ground. 90 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: They you know, you can't declare you're going to do 91 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: an onside kick and then pull a switcher through and 92 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: kick a you know, a pop up, or kick a 93 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: deep or something that recreates the dangerous elements of the play. 94 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: So so those kinds of things that you know, I 95 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: think will be in the works here in the NFL 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: over the next several years as they as they try 97 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: to get the injury rate on kickoffs reduced. 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: And even if they would end up and I agree 99 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent on what you're saying with 100 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: the on site, but even if let's say they would 101 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: have a pop up, you still have a returner back 102 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: there and you still have the coverage players and the 103 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: return team closer together. That's the biggest thing in this 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: that I've learned over the last ten years, because dude, 105 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: trust me. When they pushed up the kickoff from the 106 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: thirty to thirty five, however, many years ago, that was 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: I hated the idea. I hated the idea of there 108 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: being more, you know, kickoffs that are just going to 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: be brought for a touchback, you know, and starting at 110 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: the twenty five. I didn't like that because it is 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: an exciting play. I grew up with Desmond Howard and 112 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: Alan Rossam and you know, these guys that made a 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: lot of excitement out of that. But that being said, 114 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: as you grow older and you understand the physical safety 115 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: aspect of this, and that a majority of these plays 116 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: that I have significant injuries are coming off of special teams, 117 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: I feel like you do need to finance because unfortunately, Mike, 118 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: you worry about every single player on the field. But 119 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: let's be honest when you're talking about special teamers, these 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: are your rookies, these are your first year players. These 121 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: are some young guys a lot of times that still 122 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: have their entire careers ahead of them, and I want 123 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: to see them be able to have those opportunities to 124 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: be on the respective side of the ball that they 125 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: desire and you know, not just that introductory phase. 126 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a story to watch throughout this season 127 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: as we see. You know, if the Packers are gonna 128 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: have Keishawn Nixon back there, he may not call any 129 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: fair catches all season. Line. 130 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: I doubt it. 131 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: There may be, there may be other teams. There may 132 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: be other teams that will call a fair catch every 133 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: single time and just say, hey, we're gonna take it 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: out of the twenty five. We're not going to risk 135 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: a hit, an injury, a turnover, you know, possible fumble, 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: anything like that. 137 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: So but this is this is why they do it, right, Mike, 138 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: because at the end of this year, they'll take all 139 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: that data. They'll see if it's gone up, if it's 140 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: gone down, what the returns have been, what have the 141 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: percentage has been, how many touchdowns have there been. They'll 142 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: take all of that into consideration and make their best 143 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: move forward. I like the one year your sort of 144 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: provisionary rules at the Packers now the Packers, but the 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: NFL has done I think that's been a good change, 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: not just with special teams, but all across the board 147 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: to see do a test trial to see if something works. 148 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: Put that balloon out there and see what comes back. 149 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, the other thing from a news standpoint, 150 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: I want to get to here before we dive a 151 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: little bit more into OTA's and our observations. The Packers 152 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: are during training camp this year, are going to be 153 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: having joint practices with two different teams. They've Matt Lafleur 154 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: has announced that for the first week of the preseason, 155 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: when the Packers travel to Cincinnati, they will go a 156 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: couple of days early and have a joint have one 157 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: joint practice with the Bengals a couple of days before 158 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the game, than do the usual walk through the day 159 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: before the game. The following week, when the New England 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Patriots are coming to lambeau Field for a preseason game, 161 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: there is a joint practice agreement of some kind, although 162 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: the details in the schedule with regard to that have 163 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: not been released. But we've seen we've seen this trend developing, 164 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: and not just with the Packers, but with teams all 165 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: across the league. West that you know, the more starters 166 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: are not playing in the preseason because of injury risk, 167 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 1: and the preseason games are about, you know, your roster 168 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: evaluation for guys who are going to make the team 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: or not make the team, and the starters are going 170 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to rest and not take that risk that joint practices, 171 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: joint practices in August, practicing against another team, you know, 172 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: against another defense, against another offense, in that controlled environment 173 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: where the quarterbacks not getting hit, where you know where 174 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: you know guys are going to you know, still take 175 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: care of each other because it is it is just 176 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: a practice. That's that's where things are going. And the 177 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Packers are now going to have joint practices in two 178 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: different weeks in the preseason in twenty twenty three. 179 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: And this is the older I get again, kind of 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: like in the special teams side of things. I think 181 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: this is the right way to go. I think there 182 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: is We've seen a handful of these just says. Yes, 183 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: the first one they did against the Houston Texans wasn't great, 184 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: But over the years, especially like the Jets ones where 185 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: you had Robert Salah, Matt Lafleur be that friendship, some 186 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: of the cohesiveness between the staffs. I thought they gave 187 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: themselves really good work. I thought the practices last year 188 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: with New or with New Orleans were really good. The 189 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: idea of Green Bay, you know, the Packers leaving Green 190 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Bay to go down to Cincy for an extra day. 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: When I first thought about it, I'm like, oh, wow, 192 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: that's different. But you know, at the end of the day, 193 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: we typically end up not seeing that last practice before 194 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: a preseason game anyway, So I don't know how much 195 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: really changes. It maybe takes one away that we normally 196 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: the public and the media would see. But to go 197 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: up against a team like the Bengals with Joe Burrow 198 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: and you know Jamar Chase, you know, seeing you know 199 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: jyr Alexander working against him, You're not going to see 200 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,119 Speaker 2: that in the preseason. So so to have those opportunities 201 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: I think is really big. Certainly to see an old 202 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: school mindset coach like Bill Belichick buying into this and 203 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: wanted to make the trip over here, I think it 204 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: says a lot in terms of where this league is headed, 205 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: and in the fact that these joint practices are probably 206 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: going to become more commonplace. I would be really interested 207 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: to see if this is the first time in franchise 208 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: history the Packers have had two joint practices against another team, 209 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: two separate teams in the same preseason exhibition season. I 210 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: don't know if that ever happened, maybe in the six 211 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: preseason game seasons. But one thing I'll mention this has 212 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: nothing to do with your question, but I was because 213 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: the question is going to keep coming up about Jordan 214 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: Love and is he going to play in the preseason? 215 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: Are the starters going to play? You know what I 216 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: didn't realize, Mike, because I'm a couple years younger than you. 217 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: Somebody asked, just a couple, just a couple somebody asked 218 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: an inside or inbox about how Steve Young did in 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: his first couple of years replacing Joe Montana. I knew 220 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: the story with Montana, the elbow injury that kept him 221 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: out in ninety one. I did not realize that he 222 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: suffered that elbow injury in the preseason. I didn't know 223 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: that that was something. It took thirty five years for 224 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: me to realize. And there's been countless you know, when 225 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: Green Bay we always talk about Jordan Nelson in fifteen, 226 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: but you know, in a seventeen game season, the more 227 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: I just wonder if the juice is not worth the 228 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: squeeze in that regard to putting your guys out there, 229 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: because the tangent there is if you're putting Jordan Love 230 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: out there, well, is David Bakhtiari practicing or is he playing? 231 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: Is Elton Jenkins playing? 232 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Right? 233 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: Those are really hard questions in scripted, somewhat vanilla game situations. Well, 234 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: in these joint practices, you can actually throw the book 235 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: at the opponent a little bit more kind of a 236 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: handshake agreement, you know, so show some of your stuff. 237 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: It's probably not a great answer in terms of what 238 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: the NFL wants and keeping. You know, people go into 239 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: preseason games. But the more time that passes, the more 240 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: I'm sold. Now on these training camp joint sessions. 241 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, you just look at the number of reps too, 242 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: because you know that in the day when the starters 243 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: did play in the preseason, there would maybe be one 244 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: game in the preseason where the starters would play a 245 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: whole half and otherwise these other preseason games they were 246 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: playing one series or two series. Well, those games, I mean, 247 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: what's one series, two series? Maybe eight snaps, ten snaps, 248 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: maybe a dozen. You play a joint practice against another team, 249 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: whereas you say the Bengals with Joe Burrow and Jamar 250 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: Chase are going to go up against the Packers defense. 251 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, Jay r Alexander and Preston Smith on the 252 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: other side, you can go eleven on eleven in a practice, 253 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: they might go twenty five thirty snaps against each other, 254 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, in a in a controlled environment, in you know, 255 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: a relatively short amount of time, and it helps with 256 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: the you know, just you know, the looks as well 257 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: as the conditioning and everything that you're supposed to get 258 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: out of training camp. So it's not a surprise that 259 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: that things are trending this way in the NFL. And 260 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: who knows, we may get to the day. We may 261 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,479 Speaker 1: get to the day west where with these three preseason 262 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: games where every preseason week, whether you're at home or 263 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: on the road, you're going the team is going to 264 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: go early in practice once or twice, you know, in 265 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: a joint practice against the other team. That will just 266 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: be be part of how training camps in preseason schedules 267 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: are built. It may it may get to that point. 268 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Because the Packers now already are at two out of 269 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: three with with just the three preseason games on the slate. 270 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: A couple of other things to touch on really quickly before 271 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: you look at some more at OTA's first and foremost 272 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: Family Knight has now been announced August fifth. Can bring 273 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: your family, your friends, your fireworks, all of that good stuff. 274 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: We leave. Mccaren would say, leave the fireworks. 275 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, leave your fireworks. We'll have the fireworks. 276 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Stadium has its own. Yeah, oh yeah yeah. 277 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: But Family Knight always need to see that tradition. But 278 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: did you notice something last week that I thought was 279 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 2: very interesting that Matt Lafleur said, as we start to 280 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: transition into OTAs from all this the call it periods 281 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: in practice in you know, they also made the switch, 282 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: so we're not doing installs all four practices. It's not 283 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: a new install. They're doing basically two per week, and 284 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: within those installs and within those two minutrils, they're doing 285 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: call up periods, you know, kind of mixing it up 286 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: a little bit. Obviously, it's everything that they're doing is installed. 287 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: They're not just calling it off the dirt. But does 288 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: that remind you at all about the end of training 289 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: camp last year when Aaron Rodgers was talking about, you know, 290 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: how much he enjoyed those final practices because he didn't 291 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: have the last preseason game, they did a little bit 292 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: more unscripted stuff. Yeah, it's interesting to me that that's 293 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: that's something that's getting more incorporated into this thing. And 294 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: I just wonder again, is teams look to maximize their 295 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: amount of time that they get with these guys every day. Yeah, 296 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: it's just it's it's very I feel like you and 297 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: I are watching an evolution of how teams are preparing, 298 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: not just Green Bay but in general, and what the 299 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: NFL is doing to sort of tailor itself now to 300 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: this this post. You know, two player safety heavy cbas 301 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: to to make sure that you get the most out 302 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: of your preparation. 303 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to explain a little further for those 304 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: who might not be familiar with what a call it 305 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: period is in practice, traditionally, when teams are installing their playbook, 306 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: you have a series of installations, you know, where each 307 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: practice you're installing certain segments of the playbook. Maybe it's 308 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: one installer, two installs in a given practice, But the 309 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: plays that are going to be run essentially are scripted 310 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: ahead of time and the players actually have a chance, 311 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: at least the ones that are putting in their time 312 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: off the field. Certainly the young players who don't know 313 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: the playbook very well. They have a chance the night 314 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: before the morning of whatever to go over all of 315 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: those plays that they would potentially be running in practice 316 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: the next day, and to really get the mental part down, 317 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: the assignments down, all that kind of stuff. What Matt 318 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Lafleur has done this year for the first time in 319 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: OTAs is part of the installation of the playbook. It's 320 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: not just scripting all the plays. Okay, here's the fifteen 321 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: plays of this installation we're going to run in practice tomorrow. 322 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, here's the installation, here are the various concepts, 323 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and here are the various plays. But then when they 324 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: walk out on the practice field, he's calling a play 325 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: into Jordan Love's helmet or into Sean Clifford's helmet and saying, Okay, 326 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: this is what we're going to run. And then the player, 327 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: the players have to draw on their knowledge that Okay, 328 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: this is what I remember this play. Now I got 329 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: to go out and run it. They didn't have the 330 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: extra that extra preparation time in advance knowing that that 331 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: play was going to be run in the practice. So 332 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: there's certainly a balance point there. When you're dealing with 333 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: a lot of young players. The Packers have a lot 334 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: of young wide receivers, young tight ends all of that, 335 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of young linemen with the twos and 336 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: threes certainly trying to work their way into things. So 337 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: there's a balancing act there in terms of getting the 338 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: young guys to learn the playbook, but also testing them 339 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: and finding out, you know, what is it that how 340 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: do these guys think on their feet and react Because 341 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: because when it comes to you know, September week one, 342 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: week two, and the Packers are going to be counting 343 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: on these young guys to do some things, the coaching 344 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: staff can't be standing there on the sidelines wondering, well 345 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: is this guy gonna be able to handle it or not. 346 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: They've got to find out, and they're trying to They're 347 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to find out even a little bit earlier than 348 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: in the past. Instead of waiting for training camp, they're 349 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: doing it. They're doing it more here during OTAs. One 350 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: last thing, also on Family Night. Tickets for Family Night 351 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: will go on sale Thursday, June twenty ninth, ten dollars 352 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: a piece, So for those who who take part in 353 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: that wonderful annual summer tradition at Lambofield, no better deal, 354 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: no better deal to see the Green Bay Packers in 355 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: the see Lambo Field. Ten dollars gets you in the 356 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: door and gets you a pretty up close seat to 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: what normally is a pretty entertaining practice as long as 358 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: the weather cooperates, which doesn't always happen on that particular evening. 359 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: So I will get to some sponsor business here Wes 360 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: before I forget, though, I have a couple other topics 361 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I want to get to. But serious XM NFL Radio 362 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: delivers hard hitting analysis, an up to the minute NFL 363 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: news that true fo ball fanatics need. 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Jordan Love We spoke with both bak 373 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: Tiari and Jenkins in the locker room after last week's 374 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: open locker room session following the practice that was open 375 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: to the media, and Elton Jenkins came right out and 376 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: said it. He said, you know, he's talked to Dave. 377 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: Their goal is at left guard, left tackle. Their goal 378 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: is to be the best left side in the NFL. 379 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: And certainly when you're talking about a guy who's had 380 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: five All Pro selections at left tackle, you know, multiple 381 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: first team, multiple second team All Pro selections in Baka, 382 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: and then a guy like Jenkins at left guards who 383 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: has been named to a Pro Bowl and then also 384 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: played obviously various other positions along the line. But you 385 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: get the sense, Wes that the goal here, as much 386 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: as Elton Jenkins has helped out this offensive line through 387 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot of injury situations with moving around and everything else, 388 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: the goal here in twenty twenty three is to have 389 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: David Baktieri and Elton Jenkins lining up side by side 390 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: on the left side absolutely as often as possible for 391 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: Jordan Love here, because that is what is going to 392 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: help this Packers offense really make this transition to a 393 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: new quarterback. 394 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: It feels like to me, Mike, like your favorite band 395 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: getting back together, right like the reunion tour, the Blink 396 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: twenty two reunion tour here, because while there wasn't a 397 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: separation by any means, obviously Bakhtiari and Jenkins kind of 398 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: went their own directions and a lot of that had 399 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: to do with injuries. But I felt like the Packers 400 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 2: finally started to find some answers with their offensive line 401 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: during the final month of that season after well. Sandwiched 402 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: in between was the appendec to me, because obviously you 403 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: have to just throw in an emergency app and dect 404 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: to me in there. 405 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Right right when things were starting to settle down and 406 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: they were going to start lining up next to each other, 407 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: then David Boktieri has an appened neck. To me, interesting though, 408 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I'll throw the statistic at you and then I'll let 409 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: you continue. I actually look back because of Boktieri hurting 410 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: his knee at the end of twenty twenty and then 411 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: obviously November twenty one, Elton Jenkins has his knee injury, 412 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: Boktieri has complications with his return and then ends up 413 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: having the appendct me and everything last year, if I 414 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: did the research correctly, including playoffs. The Packers last thirty 415 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: eight football games, Baktiari and Jenkins have lined up side 416 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: by side on the left side only six times in 417 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: thirty eight games. And when you think about how important 418 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: those two players are to this Packers offense being at 419 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: its best no matter who the quarterback is, Yeah, and 420 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: just the continuity that that can provide. If those two guys, 421 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: two of the best in the business at those spots 422 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: left tackle and left guard, if they can be side 423 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: by side on a weekly basis, how much of a 424 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: difference that makes, And how for the last thirty eight 425 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: games only six times in thirty eight games. It's kind 426 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: of hard to fathom that note that those numbers are 427 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: what they. 428 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: Are well, and just how freaking good they were next 429 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: to each other in nineteen and twenty nineteen was a 430 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 2: situation where it wasn't even looking like that was going 431 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: to be the original arrangement because Lane Taylor had made 432 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: his way back from his injuries. It was going to 433 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: step in there, but that's the direction it had to go, 434 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: and Jenkins proved to be just a revelation at that spot. 435 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: I give so much credit to Elton because no matter 436 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: where you put him. He always stood up, He stood 437 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: in and really stepped up. But we got to remember 438 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: that this guy is a two time Pro Bowler at 439 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 2: left guard, and I think, in my opinion, when he's healthy, 440 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: he's the best less left guard in the National Football League. 441 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: Could he play something else down the line, sure, but 442 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 2: right now you have a five time All Pro left 443 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: tackle that is healthy again, a guy that still has 444 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: potential Hall of Fame, you know, possibilities in David Boktiari. 445 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: Being able to work those guys together. I think that 446 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: was one of the reasons why Jenkins grew as quickly 447 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: as he did in this offense, being able to be 448 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: between Baktyari and another All Pro and Corey Linsley, and 449 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: now those two are going to become sort of the 450 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: stalwarts on this thing. Is things we try to figure 451 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: out what gets worked out to their east. Everything I 452 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: think is pointing up for them right now. The other 453 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: aspect of it I like too, and this is where 454 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: the Packers are going to have to figure out what 455 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: the plan is for David Baktiari with how much he practices, 456 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 2: you know, how much he plays because I look at 457 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: him in a lot of ways as like a level 458 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: one hundred Pokemon, where if you ever played the video game, 459 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: a guy gets to a certain level and you know, 460 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: I know they always say you can improve and whatnot, 461 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: but realistically, we know what David Boktiari is going to 462 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: give you if you get him to Sunday. How do 463 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: we get him full health, full stamina to those markers. 464 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: That's what I want to see because I felt like 465 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 2: in the second half of the year, once we got 466 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: past that Washington game and a little bit of a 467 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: hiccup in a really weird day in Detroit, that that's 468 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: what they were able to do. And that Thursday night turnaround, Mike, 469 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: because I wrote in the story that I put together 470 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: on Monday, when you think back to the fact that 471 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: the Packers they needed to start winning some games there 472 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: and David stepped up and played on four days rest 473 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: in that game against the Titans, that was what showed me, Okay, 474 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: they figured something out here, and if you get that 475 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: piece worked out, then things start to settle in with Okay, 476 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: where's the Ashneimen working, Where is Zach tom working? Is 477 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: John Runyan going to stick in there at right guard? 478 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: That everything when you look at the possibilities off on 479 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: the offensive line starts with having David Baktiari and Nelton 480 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: Jenkins available and healthy on the left side. 481 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and what's going on on the right side 482 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: will certainly be a story to watch all throughout training camp, 483 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: especially after the pads go on in terms of you know, 484 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: where is Zach tom competing You mentioned John Runyan, is 485 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: he going to you know, stay in trench there at 486 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: right guard or is anything anything going to happen there? 487 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: And then with Josh entering his third season at center. 488 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: Although you know, as Luke Bukis pointed out, I mean, 489 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: Josh Myers only played a handful of games as a rookie, 490 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: so last year wasn't really year two for him. It 491 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: was more like year one point five. So this is 492 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 1: sort of like year two point five for Josh Myers, 493 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of expectations there for him 494 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: as well as the rest of that offensive line sorts 495 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: itself out. So one other topic I want to get 496 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: to before we go today, and it has to do 497 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: with the rookie receiver Romeo Dobbs. He was another player 498 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: that spoke and to his credit, he's often available at 499 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: his locker and is very accommodating to the media with 500 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: all the questions that want to be asked about the 501 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: rookie wide receivers. But we saw something in practice. The 502 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: one practice we got to see last week, there's a 503 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: two minute drill at the end of practice. Jordan Love, 504 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: I believe, completed either six or seven passes on that 505 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: drive to get the offense down into field goal range. 506 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: Four of those completions went to number eighty seven went 507 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: to Romeo dobs and I don't want to make too 508 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: much of it. It was one practice, it was one 509 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: two minute drill. But we know that those two guys 510 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: have worked a little bit together in the off season, 511 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, away from Green Bay, and then with what 512 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: we saw with with four catches and one two minute drill, 513 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: there's definitely a chemistry developing between Romeo Dobbs and Jordan Love. 514 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: And it's going to be really, really interesting to see 515 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: just where this goes between those two guys, because they 516 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you can hear when either one of them talks. You 517 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: can hear the excitement in their voice as far as 518 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: as far as where this might be headed and their 519 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to work together in Green Bay. 520 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: I just love watching Romeo Dobbs play the game of football. 521 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: You know. The fact is, Mike, Now, Christian Watson's going 522 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: to probably over the long haul here, if he stays healthy, 523 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: He's going to get a lot of a national recognition 524 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: and accolades. His size, his speed, I mean, he's a 525 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: walking sports center top ten, right, I mean, I think 526 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: the ten longest plays last year for the Packers, I 527 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: think he had five or six of them, and he 528 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: played in like half the games. So we understand what 529 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: there's a reason why Christian Watson was drafted where he 530 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: was and why a lot of people thought he could 531 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: have potentially been a first round pick. But Romeo Dobbs 532 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: is the type of player that you win with because 533 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: I think he could be just as productive in the 534 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: National Football League. I think he is an absolute magnet 535 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: to the football. But you know what you said there, 536 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: and it just brings me back. And I wrote about 537 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: an inbox last week too, about you know, it was 538 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: just one practice, just one two minute trill. But by golly, 539 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: when he's healthy, this is all this kid does. It's 540 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: all he does, Mike. The only time we've seen Romeo 541 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: Dobbs kind of had a hiccup was when he was 542 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: coming off with that ankle injury. A couple drops here 543 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: and there, but by and large, man this guy last year, 544 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: every single practice we kept putting that same qualifier on him. 545 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: One practice, one OTA, one offseason program, one training camp practice, 546 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: one preseason game, and he just kept stacking. And what 547 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: does that tell you, might Well, it tells you that 548 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: the quarterback that was throwing to him and learning a 549 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: lot of those offseason practice is the quarterback that was 550 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: throwing to him in those preseason games was Jordan Love. 551 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: And as Jordan Love gets his comfort level in this offense, 552 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: I think there really is something to be said for 553 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: the fact that he's already developed the report that he 554 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: has with Dobbs, with Samori Toure. You know, Christian Watson 555 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: missed a lot of camp last year with the knee thing. 556 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: But the fact is is that these young guys that 557 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: came in last year, they got to rep a lot 558 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: with Jordan Love. And I think when you're seeing some 559 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: of these team periods now with these now second year receivers, 560 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: you can tell that there's a chemistry and a bond 561 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: that has sort of been forged in those settings that 562 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: now we're going to have a chance to see sort 563 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: of translate on game days. 564 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought I pressed Dobbs a little bit 565 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: with regard to, you know, that comeback from the injury 566 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: and you know, sort of what he learned and his 567 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: perspective on it was really interesting because he admitted like 568 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: it was really tough and he knows that when he 569 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: came back after missing a month and that was that 570 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: was a nasty ankle injury from uh. I mean, in essence, 571 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: he missed five games because it happened on the first play, 572 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: first offensive play in Detroit. He messes up the ankle, 573 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: he misses that game and the next four before he 574 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: comes back. But we also saw he wasn't he wasn't 575 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: the same player when he came back from that, and 576 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: I think that's something that that's something that stuck with 577 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: him a little bit. And uh and he appreciates, you know, 578 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: looking back at it now, it wasn't fun. It was 579 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: difficult to go through, but he appreciates the fact that 580 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: he had to work through something that significant as a 581 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: rookie when you know he was off to a really 582 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: good start. You know, his arrow is pointing up, things 583 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: are going great. He has a major setback as a 584 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: rookie with the injury, and then he comes back and 585 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: he's not able to quite get back to the player 586 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: that he was. That's something that could that that can 587 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: provide a lot of fuel and and really a solid 588 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: foundation for a guy like Romeo Dobbs going into year two, 589 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: because there is nobody there. There isn't There isn't a 590 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: young player. I shouldn't say nobody, but it's been a 591 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: long time since I've talked to a young player in 592 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the locker room with with a lot of expectations put 593 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: on him and a lot of early success and everything 594 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: that we've been talking about. Who is so self aware? 595 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: He you know, he doesn't. There's there's nothing there. There's 596 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: nothing phony about this young man. It's everything. Everything he says, 597 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Everything he says is absolutely genuine. He's he's very very 598 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: introspective and uh and he wants to be as honest 599 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: and forthright in answering the questions as possible. And it's 600 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: just it's how it's how he carries himself. What he 601 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: went through as a rookie, both the positives and the negatives, 602 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I think provide a foundation for a young man who's 603 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: going to have a really, really good career in the NFL. 604 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point something I hadn't really thought about 605 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: because when you think about his last two years in Nevada, 606 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: I mean, he was just a world burner, right, I mean, 607 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: the guys has a thousand yard season, seasons, touchdowns after touchdown. 608 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: I mean, he was the wolf Packs offense a lot 609 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: of times, and in certainly the passing game aspect of it. 610 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: So here he is, he hits the ground running, He's 611 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: the NFL offensive player the way three weeks into his career, 612 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: rookie Offensive Player of the Week, and next thing you know, 613 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: you know, it looks like he's just skyrocketing. Hey maybe 614 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: this guy will be, you know, better than Christian Wantson. 615 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: Those debates started, and then he has the ankle injury 616 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: in Detroit. Fortunately for the Packers, they only have to 617 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: play in Detroit once a year, so hopefully you hope 618 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: that you can get through that, you know, trap and 619 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, continue on. But I think in a lot 620 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: of ways it can be positive because it is now 621 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: kind of telling Romeo Dobbs, this is what adversity looks like, 622 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: and it's what it looks like at this level. Because 623 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: I think one thing that I've started to learn more 624 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: and appreciate is that difference between like injured and hurt, right, yeah, 625 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: because it's not just about hey, Okay, you were out 626 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: for four weeks and now you're back and now you're 627 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: a hundred percent again. I doubt Romeo Dobbs is one 628 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: hundred percent the rest of the season with the foot 629 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: way no way so or with the ankle. So it's 630 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: like that I learned so much from that in twenty 631 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: fifteen with DeVante and how that can affect you and 632 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: you and I were talking with some readers last week 633 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: about the footwork of you know, Jordan Love translates at 634 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: every position. It starts from the bottom and works its 635 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: way up, and how you're able to play the game. 636 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: So I'm just really excited for it because I feel like, 637 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: as much as we've talked about and beaten the whole 638 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: hey do they need a veteran receiver, the thing I 639 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: keep coming back to is, as long as they're healthy, 640 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: I want Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs on the field 641 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: as much as possible. And beyond them, you have five 642 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: other draft picks that could potentially be In that conversation 643 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: as well, so the options are limitless, and as Romeo 644 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: Dobbs keeps proving, no matter what the challenge is, even 645 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: for a second year player, he continues to meet that standard. 646 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's gonna be. It's gonna be fun to 647 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: watch with with that entire receiver group, but certainly with 648 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: all the attention that's going to be paid to Christian Watson. 649 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: The foundation that Romeo Dobbs got is a rookie in 650 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: this offense and now the raport he's developing with Jordan Love, 651 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be fun to watch. 652 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: You ever talked to a player like Romeo Dobbs. Can 653 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: you think of one that you've talked to? 654 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean, been in that locker room for a lot 655 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: of years and he he is a one on one Yeah, 656 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: he is. He just the way the way he addresses questions. 657 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: I even I even mentioned an insider inbox. He has 658 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: a way of he has a way of being of 659 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: being honest and revealing but also very protective of certain 660 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: details at the same time. You know, he can give 661 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: you a really good answer to a question and you 662 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: really appreciate the answer, and then you walk away kind 663 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: of going like, oh, I wish I knew more, like 664 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I want to know more and he doesn't. But he 665 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: doesn't quite give you, doesn't quite give you, and you 666 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: have to respect that. You know, the players are players 667 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: are not obligated to share every detail, you know, in answering, 668 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, every question about trials and tribulations that they've 669 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: gone through. But he gives. He gives very very good answers. 670 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: But he does leave you. He does leave you wanting 671 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: more because you always feel like there's a little bit 672 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: more to the story that he's keeping to himself, and 673 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: you respect that and then you pay attention and see 674 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: where it goes. 675 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what the antonym is for, like a cliche, 676 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: but that's him, Like he's just he's so genuine when 677 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: in how he answers things. But at the same time, 678 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: it's not like he's just sitting at his locker with 679 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: the lights on him, with his big smile and you know, like, hey, everyone, 680 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: come talk to me. He sits in his locker, people 681 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: come talk to me. He always says yes. He stands up, 682 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: you know, he's very thoughtful, has his arms crossed usually 683 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: like this, and usually a smile will peak up. But 684 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: it's not like he's like this extremely extroverted I've never 685 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: covered anyone like Romeo Dobs for real, Like he's like, 686 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: there's so many of these guys that it's like they 687 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: kind of fit into a certain area. And not saying 688 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: if you're extroverted that's a bad thing, that's a great 689 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: thing we appreciated as writers. But like he just defies 690 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: a lot of different laws and uh. 691 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he certainly defies some conventions. But it's yeah, but 692 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: he's very he's very refreshing. He's very refreshing and and 693 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: and very introspective and interesting to listen to. 694 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: At the same time, I felt really bad because like 695 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: at the one point last year, I remember talking to 696 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: somebody locker Room'm like, man, Romeo is talking like every days. 697 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: It's like, is he when's he going to get worn out? Right? 698 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's like we try, we try to pick 699 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: our spots and uh, but yeah, it seems like, uh, 700 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like sometimes sometimes maybe he does 701 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: need to say no just uh, just so he can 702 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: give himself a break. 703 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's just he's just really super chill guy. 704 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed covering him so far. 705 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, absolutely well with that we will call 706 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be 707 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 708 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: one more week of OTA's mandatory mini camp next week. 709 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: We'll have it all for you on packers dot com 710 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in. 711 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 2: Everybody. 712 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.