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Speaker 1: First of all, Bro, we appreciate you being on the show.

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Speaker 1: We've been watching you since you was in high school. Man,

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Speaker 1: all your accomplishment, what you continue to do. Man, we

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Speaker 1: praise and salute you, Man, and we definitely appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on the show and rocking with us. Man, you

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Speaker 1: wanted the stories we always wanted to tell. We've been

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Speaker 1: wanting to get you, so we glad we got you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Man the rock with Us.

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Speaker 2: Nah, I appreciate it, Man, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 2: the show, and now thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate you for you know, constantly and communication.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So I'm just I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who's the first

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Speaker 1: person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: You know, I knew this was going to be you know,

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Speaker 2: I always tell people to me, the one guy that

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Speaker 2: always stood out to me was Lebron. You know, my

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Speaker 2: path with Lebron has been since I came to the US.

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Speaker 2: He's there. I came to the US. He's the best

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Speaker 2: player in high school. He's a year ahead of me.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we came up around the same time.

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Speaker 2: But I always tell people it's kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: when I played with Derrick Rose his MVP year. There's

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Speaker 2: certain guys in the league that two points are just

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Speaker 5: Else's two points.

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Speaker 2: And you know, with Lebron, with the fans and everything,

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Speaker 2: you know, whether you're playing them in Cleveland or you're

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Speaker 2: playing at home, every basket he scores, it's like ten

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Speaker 2: points on you. You know, the whole crowd. It could

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Speaker 2: be a fatal way jump shot. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know he's a great player, obviously, but the crowd

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Speaker 2: was always you know, Lebron's thirty or forty points seemed

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Speaker 2: watch the highlights and it's going you just yeah, so,

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Speaker 2: you know. So I always tell people I enjoyed playing

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Speaker 2: against Lebron, but I always say he's the one guy

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo, yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 6: Me and the blackest one connecting over these towers were

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Speaker 6: going virtual today. Man, Look, we got a very very

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Speaker 6: special guest today. Man, the Pride of South Sudan is

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Speaker 6: in the building. Was we got a Duke represented, even

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Speaker 6: though you know Duke is whatever, you know, but we

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Speaker 6: got one of the all time grace from the Chicago Bulls,

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Speaker 6: a former All Star, one of the biggest humanitarians there

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Speaker 6: is out there. We got wild dang in the building.

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Speaker 6: People in We appreciate you pulling up, bro man. We've

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Speaker 6: been trying to get this done for a minute. We

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Speaker 5: Nah, definitely no respect. Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, South Sudan. How did you start playing basketball?

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Speaker 1: Where did it all start from the beginning to get

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Speaker 2: It's a crazy story, you know. For me, everybody knows

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Speaker 2: you just kind of get out it up in a

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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that, but I grew

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Speaker 2: I was playing football my brothers. You know, we had

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Speaker 2: took a vacation to go to Egypt, and when he

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Speaker 6: So basically, if not for a chance vacation by Minu

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I always tell people the same thing that

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Speaker 2: Manu was everything. We celebrated minute because he put us

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Speaker 2: So when Minew showed up, everything stops whatever Minut wants

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Speaker 5: Because I you know, my brothers were taught by him.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So meeting Minut and started messing around with basketball, did

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Speaker 5: No, you see what happened was I would go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when I say that, it's like a

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Speaker 5: The background check and everything, and.

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Speaker 2: All these countries they monitor and they would take you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just here is a better opportunity. Let's go there

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Speaker 2: that's really I didn't go to the I didn't go

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Speaker 4: Okay, how was that transition for you? Like, you know

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Speaker 6: You just starting to learn ball and then it's like

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it was the hardest thing. I always tell people

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Speaker 2: I never spoke English, you know, I was fluent in Arabic,

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Speaker 2: I remember when I landed in the UK, and I've

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Speaker 2: took a while to even make friends or speak to

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Speaker 1: So you started playing for the youth national team when

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Speaker 1: you got that, How did that like kind of open

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Speaker 4: Because I know, I tell my sons.

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Speaker 1: When my son was younger, he always wanted friends and

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Speaker 1: if you played basketball, you're gonna make friends. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, definitely, I think it. Sports is a language

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Speaker 5: Was to be a soccer player.

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Speaker 2: So the only way that I knew that I can

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Speaker 5: And that's how I was making friends. You know.

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Speaker 2: I started playing basketball at a club called Brixton Topcats,

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Speaker 2: and that changed my whole life. When when I joined Brixton,

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Speaker 2: at the age of fourteen. And how that worked out

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Speaker 2: get out of England. And you know, go and focus

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Speaker 2: being a boarding school and just see, you know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they really loved you. Loved you in England, man,

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Speaker 1: they kind of got some got.

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Speaker 4: A picture right here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you could see it, but

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Speaker 1: you know up here, I don't know if you can

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Speaker 4: What was that on some money? What was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's uh, I can't believe y'all pull

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Speaker 2: that out. A lot of people, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know that. But I'm on a five pound note obviously,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, playing in Brixton. I come from, you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who could influence the youth and

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Speaker 2: they reached out to me and said, you know, we

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Speaker 2: want to put you on the money, and you know got.

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Speaker 4: His own money I got.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say that I had to live.

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Speaker 2: I have to live through that, you know, being African

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Speaker 2: and being on the money. Yeah, I heard it all man.

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Speaker 2: So but uh now, honestly it's an honor. But also

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Speaker 2: you know, to come out of Brixton and to be

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Speaker 2: an example to all these young guys that you know,

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Speaker 2: just working hard, giving an opportunity, you can influence a

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Speaker 5: So I'm really excited about that.

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Speaker 6: When did you hit your gross, Burt, Like, was that

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Speaker 6: before you came to the US? Was it when you

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Speaker 6: were in England? Was it before? Were you already tall

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Speaker 6: when you were in the South Sudan?

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Speaker 2: I was always tall, you know, as a kid, I

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Speaker 2: was tall. I was all my family's tall. My brother

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Speaker 2: is seven feet, myther brothers six six, six eight, We're

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Speaker 2: all tall. So I was always you know, and it

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Speaker 2: kind of bothered me, to be honest, when I was younger,

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Speaker 6: How was it for you, like you coming from England

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how was it when you started to get ranked high,

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Speaker 1: It was in Cleveland. I think I spoke at that.

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Speaker 1: To hear that, you you know, you got here, you

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Speaker 4: How was that for you?

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Speaker 2: It was amazing, man, because you know, when I first

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Speaker 2: It's good to aim there when you're passing that, you know,

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Speaker 4: Did you think about going straight out of high school?

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Speaker 2: and it really that visit changed everything about, you know,

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Speaker 2: I knew he wanted me to go to Duke. You know,

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Speaker 2: He just kept telling him about the opportunities that I

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Speaker 1: Could have been any other school that almost got you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie and I almost went to Indiana, you know,

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Speaker 2: And after I took my Duke visit, I felt like,

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Speaker 6: go to their school and you played for him for

438
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 6: a year.

439
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 4: How was that experience, fans?

440
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel, you feel the people who hate Duke

441
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: and you feel the.

442
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: People who love Duke. It's like like a fifty to

443
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 4: fifty things. So I was there, y'all. Team was kind

444
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 4: of like a rock star team, So you felt all

445
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 4: of this. JJ Reddick was all world Now.

446
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: It's an experience, man. You know, for me growing up,

447
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: my first basketball tape that a friend of mine gave

448
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: me a VCR tape when we went in the UK

449
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: when I started playing basketball, and it was a tape.

450
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 5: Of Grand Hill.

451
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 2: Uh you know, yeah, yeah, And I'm watching all this

452
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 2: Grand Hill highlights and they're going back to Duke and

453
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: what he did at Duke and Coach K. So when

454
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: I went to Duke, it was really because of Coach

455
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: K and Grand Hill. I wanted to be Grand Hill.

456
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to be you know, coached by Coach K,

457
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: and I kind of envisioned myself for being that. But

458
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: I never really knew that after going to Duke that

459
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: I would leave after one year. The whole reason why

460
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: I wanted Duke was to build a legacy like grand

461
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: Hill did and have that relationship with Coach K. But

462
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: I always tell people, you know, I'm one of the

463
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: first to leave after one year, and that relationship at

464
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: first didn't end well with Coach K. It took a

465
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: while to get that relationship back up and now we're

466
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: very close and I kind of, you know, I really

467
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: appreciate that because leaving after one year, going to Duke

468
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: that wasn't normal, and.

469
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 4: That was Corey McGinty might be the only one who did.

470
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: It before you exactly exactly how was it running to

471
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: Charlie in the final four? Your high school team, man,

472
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: you run into Yukon in the final four?

473
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: Is you and them and.

474
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: You got to match up with him and y'all gotta

475
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: play against each other on one of the biggest stages

476
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: there could be.

477
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: You know, I always tell people this, I could never

478
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: rewind the time back. But you know, in life, you

479
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: have certain things that happened that you cannot take back

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 2: no matter what you do.

481
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 5: You just got to face it. And this is one

482
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 5: of those things.

483
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: Because you know, Charlie and I were roommate for three

484
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: years and my dream was to be in a film

485
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: and to win a chip and what now we won

486
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: in high school, you want to win in college, you

487
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: want to win in the NBA. And also my brother

488
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: went to Yukon and I was supposed to go to

489
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: Yukon and I kind of didn't go, so I went

490
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: somewhere else. So that game, you know, even the way

491
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: I came out that first half, you know, I came

492
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: out sixteen points in the first half, Final four, just

493
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: I wanted it so bad, and when we lost, you know,

494
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: till now, I tell people it's the one loss that

495
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, I've lost many times, but that's the one

496
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: loss that every time I think of losing, that's the

497
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: first thing that came to mind. It made me better

498
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy for Charlie. But at the same time,

499
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: every time this comes up, you know, and I guarantee

500
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: you as soon as Charlie sees this interview, he's gonna

501
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: message me, send me are of the ring. And it's

502
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: always sending me a picture of that ring. It is cool,

503
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: you know, It's cool because in a way I'm happy

504
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: because he has it and I know what you know,

505
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: we went through and how hard we work.

506
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 5: But also at the same time, I kind of enjoyed it.

507
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: It kind of like it humbles you and it makes

508
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: you work hard and you're not supposed to have everything

509
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: in life.

510
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 5: But it's how you respond to it, you know what

511
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 5: I mean.

512
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: Talking about you leaving after one year, what did your

513
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: parents say, because you just said they are all about

514
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: school and all that stuff and you're like, yeah, I'm

515
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: about to burn out and go to the NBA. What

516
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: was that conversation like, if you about to leave school

517
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: after one year?

518
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 5: Cool on?

519
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: You know, once they saw, once they saw that, you know,

520
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a lottery pick, that changed a lot

521
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: That changed, That can change, you know, it changed a

522
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: lot of things. It was like are you sure? Are

523
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: you sure he's going to be a lottery right, Let's

524
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: make sure his first Yeah. So it was like, okay,

525
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: maybe it is time ago, you know what I mean.

526
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: So I think they were okay with it once they understood, uh,

527
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: that I'm doing it for the right reasons. You know,

528
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: my parents always been what do you want to do?

529
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: We know what's best for you, but what do you

530
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: want to do? And it was fine, and you know

531
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: they were with me at the draft and so on,

532
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: and uh, you know that's something that I will never forget.

533
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell us about that draft process.

534
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: Man, Like you, a guy from South Suitan, you lived

535
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of different places, came over to the US,

536
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: and now you're sitting at the table with your family

537
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: goin to get ready to walk up on that stage

538
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: and shake the commission in hands. Like man, just you know,

539
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: looking at your family and just seeing like how far

540
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: y'all and came into this moment. Because I know a

541
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: lot of people say when we go to the draft,

542
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: it's like you kind of flashback of everything you'd have

543
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: been through before that to get to that moment.

544
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so how was it for you?

545
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, going through what you went through and being

546
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: there with your family where they have to dress up,

547
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: look all nice, everybody clean, you know what I'm y'all

548
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: in the represent.

549
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's insane, man.

550
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: You know.

551
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: I always tell people I was drafted at eighteen.

552
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Obviously that was eighteen years old, but if you rewind

553
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: just eight years, you know, you just go back eight years.

554
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: I'm a refugee in Egypt, ten years old, you know,

555
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: just playing around. I don't know, you know, I never

556
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: seen an NBA game on TV. I've never had any

557
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: and sitting there, you know, sitting there in a green room,

558
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: I'm on a table with Minute, and I'm about to

559
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: get drafted. And I remember, you know, I saw as

560
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: soon as they said my name, I remember my mom

561
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: got up and she started doing you know, our tribal

562
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: chan and dances. And if you look back at that take,

563
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: I just got up and I grabbed my mom, and

564
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, I'm young, and at the time, I'm just like,

565
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, no, my mom, don't do too much you know.

566
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: TV, you know.

567
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: But now when I look back, I wish I even

568
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: did my tribal dance with it, you know, things like that.

569
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: But I remember looking across the table and seeing how

570
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: emotional Minute was, and for me, that took me back

571
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: to why we do the things that we do. Minute

572
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: never did it because he thought that, you know, there's

573
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: a kid there, a ten year old kid who might

574
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: be drafted in eight years.

575
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: He just did it to just provide an opportunity.

576
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: And it was real. It was real to you know,

577
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: to look at it like in a is here you are,

578
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: you're being a lottery pick. You went to duke. It

579
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: happened so fast. But I also remember just the fact

580
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: that I have an opportunity to change my life and

581
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: my family's life.

582
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what's up. That's when you get after you

583
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 6: get up there and get drafted. What was it like

584
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 6: when you got the call from the team and they

585
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 6: telling you, you know what I'm saying that you got

586
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 6: to come down and next day you got to fly

587
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 6: private up to the to the shot town.

588
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: You feel me? Was that your first PJ Yeah, no,

589
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: it was.

590
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: And you know what what's crazy is you know I

591
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: got I got traded right on draft right right. Yeah,

592
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: So I always tell people. I did a couple of interviews.

593
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: I was confused because I knew the pick was bought

594
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: by the Bulls. But at the same time, when I

595
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: was drafted, I had to wear a Phoenix hat yea,

596
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: And I did a couple of interviews as if I'm

597
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: going to Phoenix. So I'm sitting there, I'm just like,

598
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, answering, like knowing that I'm just bullshit my language.

599
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm just there. I'm just like, yo, y'all know, you know,

600
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to Chicago, but they just asking me about

601
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: Steve Nash and a Maari and you know, and I'm

602
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: just answering question, and then the next thing, you know,

603
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: five minutes later, I had to switch my hat talk

604
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: about going to Chicago, and the next day I want

605
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: to playing with you know, Ben Gordon and Chris Douhan,

606
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: which you know teammates. You know, we were teammates and

607
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: at Duke, So that kind of helped a lot.

608
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 6: My dog, see dude, shout out to see dohn Man,

609
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: amazing guy. When you first got to Chicago, right you

610
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 6: going to the Bulls, was it? Did you ever have

611
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 6: any of them moments when you're looking up at the banners,

612
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 6: the jerseys, the MJ the statue out front, did you

613
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 6: ever have any of that? Like damn, like I'm about

614
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 6: to put this jersey on coming behind. What these folks

615
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: are done.

616
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: No, it's crazy, man, you know, like it's starting to

617
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: play basketball. Oh we knew, you know, even when I

618
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: was in Egypt.

619
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: It's just the Bulls. Michael Jordan was just so dominant.

620
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: And I've never for a second thought that I will

621
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: ever be in the US or even I never even

622
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: thought I would be in Africa, to be honest, And

623
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: you hear about you know, Michael Jordan. You got people

624
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: wearing the balls, that's all everybody was talking about at

625
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: the time, and then all of a sudden, you know,

626
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: I'm drafted by the Balls, I'm going to the arena.

627
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: I remember I used to look up to the rafters

628
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: before every game, and you know, and I just couldn't

629
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: believe it that this is what it is. And you know,

630
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: even now I look back and I'm just like, you know,

631
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm in the top you know, ten and so many categories.

632
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 5: And I never thought that would happen.

633
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: And you know how it is even in the NBA,

634
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: even if you get dropped by Chicago or anyone, you

635
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: might be there for a year or two and get traded,

636
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: you know how her business is. But I ended up

637
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: playing ten years for one organization.

638
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 5: It's such a blessing, super blessing.

639
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: So when you got there your rookie year, you know,

640
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: this is the highest level of basketball. How did you

641
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: feel like you hold it up?

642
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: You got right in. You was a solid player.

643
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Like one thing I always liked about your game is

644
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: like you did everything like you play d You can

645
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: hit the jump or you could dribble.

646
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: You know, you're tall, you know what I'm saying. You physical.

647
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: How was it when you got to the highest level,

648
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: because you know, you're kind of testing your stuff. This

649
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: is the greats of the Grace. This is where you

650
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: see the guys that's supposed to be the best in

651
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: the world.

652
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you guys know this.

653
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Man, I always say this. I think if when I

654
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: look back at the NBA or even now when I

655
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: watch the NBA, there are certain guys that are so

656
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: good at certain things. You know, you can you got

657
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: guys who could shoot, you got guys who could just score,

658
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: flat out score.

659
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: You know.

660
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: For me, coming into the NBA, I was trying to

661
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: figure it out. Like in high school, I could score

662
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: any time I wanted. In college, the same thing when

663
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I got to the NBA. I was always watching games

664
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: and figuring out players, how guys play. I always wanted

665
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: to fit in, you know, always wanted to be that

666
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: guy who, you know, if I'm playing with you guys, Okay,

667
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: what does d Miles or what does Q Rich do well?

668
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: And how can I compliment them in a way If

669
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: you look at it, it's like, Okay, it worked out

670
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: for me, you know, but sometimes you need to have

671
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: that killer mindset would just say, you know, well, I

672
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: don't care. But for me, it was more like I'm

673
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: going to figure it out. Playing before d Rose came

674
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: playing with Ben Gordon and so on, my game was

675
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: so different. When d Rose came in. I just wouldn't

676
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: stop moving because I knew he had so much attention,

677
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, with Joe Kim cutting all the time and

678
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: so on. I was always trying to figure out, you know,

679
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: how can I be relevant? You know, how do I

680
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: just figure it out? If you give me minutes, I'm

681
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: just going to figure it out. That was really my

682
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: whole game. It wasn't about let me go out and

683
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: get twenty points. It was more so like I need

684
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: you to feel like you need me.

685
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: I need to guard Lebron. You know.

686
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: I go out there and play as hard as I can,

687
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: so the next time we play, the coach can be like, Yo,

688
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: we need this guy to guard Lebron. We need him

689
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: on the court or whoever it is. So that's just

690
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: how I just took my career. You know.

691
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I love about y'all guys too, man.

692
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I always liked y'all play, But the bond that you

693
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: d Rose, Joe Keim and that team had together still

694
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: to this day, when I see y'all be around each

695
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: other in the act. Man, it's just always bring back

696
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: the memories of how close to win in this league,

697
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: you gotta have some type of bond and some type

698
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: of camaraderie with the team. But just speak on the

699
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: bond that you have with that team, with Joe Keim

700
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: and you know once d Row Young d Rose got

701
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: there and just how y'all just became brothers for life.

702
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Nah, definitely, Man, We're so blessed. I think, you know,

703
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: I've had so many good teammates. You know now when

704
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: you look back, the closest people that you are to

705
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: are really people that are similar, that bring the best

706
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: out of you. And you know with Joe, Derek, Van Tabo,

707
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: all these guys, Kirk not the one thing that I

708
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: would say, and I will give packs John Pax.

709
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 5: In the credit.

710
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: He really recruited on character more than just skills. And

711
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: I think because of our character we were okay with

712
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: success being for all of us. We became such a

713
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: caring team. And like for example, when Derek Derek's MVP year,

714
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: I remember thirty or forty games into it, I remember

715
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: being hurt. I remember I had a fractured thumb. But

716
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: we knew everyone knew that Derek had a chance to

717
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: win the MVP. And I always tell people this, what's

718
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: so crazy was I became an All Star that year

719
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: obviously because the team we were winning so many games,

720
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: but honestly, I was so driven at delivering Derek being MVP,

721
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: and that was you know, you could be hurt whatever,

722
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: but all of us, you know, sating screens, you know,

723
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: getting this Derek in the fourth quarter, giving Derek the

724
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: ball cutting move and whatever win games, win as minut

725
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: as we can so we could win the MVP. And

726
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: I remember at the end of the season, you know,

727
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: ten games to go, and we're like, yo, we got

728
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: to win these games. If we have the best record,

729
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: he'll win it. And that's the kind of relationship that

730
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: we ended up having on and off the court, just

731
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: carrying it on. And that comes with character.

732
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: You're talking about d Rose like you know, you were

733
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 6: aware what was going on in college and stuff like that.

734
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 6: Talk about how y'all team was and how the city

735
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 6: responded to when y'all drafted him, because you know, I'm

736
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 6: a Chicago boy. I know I'm watching the post. I'm

737
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: watching how he captivating and how the city he really

738
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 6: had the posts of the city with him, Like, can

739
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 6: you talk about just how that experience and watching that,

740
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 6: how somebody could really move a whole city the way

741
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 6: he had them rocking with him.

742
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was different man, you know, to be

743
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: from Chicago and not only to be as good as

744
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: d Rose was to be the youngest MVP. But what's

745
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: so important was is just Derek as a human being.

746
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: It just changed everything. He influenced so many people. His

747
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: game was so aggressive and explosive, but his personality was

748
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: so humble. You know, Derek would do an interview and

749
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: give credit to everybody, talk about how thankful he is

750
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: for every opportunity he's been given. And he was so competitive,

751
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: but you could never see that because of just how

752
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: he carried himself. But he was the best example for

753
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: that city, not only because of his talent, but just

754
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: the way he was raised. And that's credit to you know,

755
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: his mom and his brothers and everybody around him. They

756
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 2: just did whatever it took to make sure that Derek

757
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: is protected, and Derek did whatever it can so he

758
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: could deliver. You know, he knew all the stigma and

759
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: all the stereotyping that comes from, you know, being from

760
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: Chicago on the South Side and so on. But he

761
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: didn't care. He represented the city and he put the

762
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: city on and you know, just going back, man, there's

763
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: obviously there's nothing like the Michael Jordan era Dve rose Erra.

764
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: I always say this man, the d rose Er was

765
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: something special that a lot of people would never get

766
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: to experience.

767
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 5: And I was just, you know, so blessed and happy

768
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: to be a part of that.

769
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: Nah, that's a fact, man. For that kid, he lived

770
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 6: the dream that every kid from Chicago wanted to dream.

771
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: But he took it to the highest point, you know

772
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, to be the MVP as the youngest dude.

773
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: And he doing it at the.

774
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 6: Crib like I always said, like yo, the way he

775
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 6: just did, Like when he came in and he it

776
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 6: was like an.

777
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: Avalanche, like you feel me, Like he delivered. He delivered.

778
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 6: He delivered, and like that's why he deserved all of

779
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: that love. And the way that everybody you know what

780
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: I'm saying, followed behind him. I understood it. Told you,

781
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 6: like all of us, the oldest Chicago dudes that we

782
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 6: was all looking at like damn, like yo, young fella

783
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 6: is going crazy. And it was dope to see. Man,

784
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 6: it was one of the dopest things to watch from

785
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 6: Afar to how he came from the city. You know,

786
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 6: you know how we heard about him when he was

787
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: at Semeon, when he was coming up, when he was

788
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 6: becoming the guy, and then he was a guy.

789
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: It was him and Searon Collins.

790
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: When Collins went to Kansas and he went to men

791
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 6: Is then then it was like d Rose and it

792
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 6: was like when he arrived, it was over with and

793
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 6: it was like he fit the bill and showed up

794
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 6: and showed the hell out.

795
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he you know, d D special man, and

796
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: d D was so good. He was so good even

797
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: in practices. You know, I just remember every move he made.

798
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: We'll look at each other like you know, and there's

799
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: so many games that he just won for us without

800
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: us even doing nothing, you know, like the fourth quarter

801
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: it would just turn it on and you could see

802
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: and you know, we all saw it. You know, certain

803
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: guys when you just you know, when they're in the zone,

804
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: nobody want to face them. And you just knew when

805
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: d Rose, you know those years that he was just

806
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: on and I would say, man, it's just a blessing,

807
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, everybody's story is different, everybody's path is different.

808
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: But to get to experience such a talent and such

809
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: a character, you know, it's it's something special.

810
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Man, were winning games and you know, being top in

811
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: the East. We win a game, you know, you start

812
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: getting appreciated for the things that you do for a

813
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: team to help win game. When you heard that you

814
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: made the All Star NBA All Star Team, tell us

815
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: about when you heard you made the All Star team.

816
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: And tell us about when you walked in that locker

817
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: room and you see the lebron jerseys, the d wads,

818
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: you see these guys who've been making the All Stars

819
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: in there. You're on the top floor. Now you know

820
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is a room you ain't been

821
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: in the earth, smell different and stuff like that. So

822
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: just tell us about that experience.

823
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Now. It was crazy, man. You know at some point

824
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: during the season, like you know, thirty games in or

825
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: forty games and you start to like get the feeling like, yo.

826
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: I got a chance to make it. You know, there's

827
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 5: some guys in the league not just automatic all right.

828
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: I always tell people, man, some people have a green

829
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: light where you know they will shoot their way till

830
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: they get that point. I didn't have that. Yeah, So

831
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: when everything was going well and I remember, like I

832
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: told you, I remember I fractured my thumb and it

833
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: was part of it. It was like, yo, I'm just

834
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: going to keep going because I don't know if I'll

835
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: ever get this opportunity again.

836
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 5: I want to be an All Star.

837
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: I remember being selected and I just couldn't believe it,

838
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: and going into the All Star game and seeing who's

839
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: there and whatnot, and you start to, you know, take

840
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: it all in, but you start to realize this is

841
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: something that cannot be taken away. Once you make that

842
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: All Star you know, you got that jersey, you made

843
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: the team.

844
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: And so on.

845
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: But now you're just like, man, this is you know,

846
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: when you look back, you're like, man, I'm so thankful

847
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: for how hard I work.

848
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: I'm humble enough to realize this wasn't a given.

849
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't I'm not one of those guys who you

850
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: earned that here. Yeah, every year you just your name

851
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: is caught out. I was sitting there in front of

852
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: TNT just nervous, and as soon as this in your name,

853
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, just excited and happy. I'm most thankful for

854
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: that man.

855
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 6: How was it for you when they you know, you

856
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 6: didn't been there, put me in the work, balling, been

857
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 6: all rookie and all that. When they come to you

858
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 6: with the contract extension and you're about to get that

859
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 6: six years with that, be with that. You know what

860
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 6: I'm saying, That brings trug How did that feel? You

861
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, knowing that you didn't like you say,

862
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 6: ten years ago, nine years ago, you was just in Egypt,

863
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 6: and now now you're about to get the big boy bag.

864
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: Now, it's it's insane, you know, you know how it

865
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: is when you get that big contract. It's like you

866
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: do your best, honestly, you do your best to stay

867
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: humble and realize how hard you work to get that.

868
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: You know, I remember signing that first contract and just

869
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: knowing that, Yo, I'm good. But you know, don't don't

870
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: lose who you are or how hard you worked. You know,

871
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: don't allow yourself to become somebody or not. And I remember,

872
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, with all the money that I was making

873
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: and everything I kept saying, I can't change I can't.

874
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: You know who I am. It's been working for me.

875
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: This is who I am, this is how I want

876
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: to represent myself, and I just kept those things separate.

877
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: I kept going to the gym, I kept working. I

878
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: didn't allow all that. But I knew once, you know,

879
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: once that money is on your name and everyone knows

880
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: your salary, that love is not the same. You know,

881
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: it's it's easy. It's easy to love you when you're

882
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: not making that much and you're working hard and everyone

883
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: is like, you know what, he works hard, he plays hard.

884
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: But you could work as hard as you can if

885
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: you ain't delivering and you're getting that money, that love.

886
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 4: Is bit Yeah, dog, I know how competitive you are.

887
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: You always accept the challenge on defense to hear your

888
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: peers reward you by making All Defense. You know, you

889
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: made the all star team that you're and then you

890
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: cap it off at the end by making All Defensive team.

891
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Did it feel like your peers and everybody appreciated what

892
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: you bring to the table. Like you said, you not

893
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the You're not the one that's going all the points,

894
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: but you're doing all the things that sometimes it might

895
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: not even show up on the stat sheet.

896
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

897
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: No, those are the best awards, any award that you

898
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: get from teammates, you know, not not depressed voting and

899
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: so on.

900
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: But you know, when.

901
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Coaches vote for All Star or when players vote for categories,

902
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: those are the things that you know, you walk around proud.

903
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, you go to the next game knowing that

904
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: these guys voted for you. You know, I remember winning

905
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: the Humanitarian Award, and what made me so happy winning

906
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: that award was because that was an award that it

907
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: wasn't about my talent. It was just about who I

908
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: am as a person, and that was something that I can,

909
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, give back to the way I was raised

910
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: and so on. So those kind of awards are always

911
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: the one that as you get older and you look back,

912
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 2: those are really the awards that matter, not so much

913
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: of the other awards. It's the awards of those are

914
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: your peers, the same people that saw you working hard

915
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: and so on that reward to do that.

916
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: I want to ask you this going back to when

917
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 6: you touched on from you coming to America. You know,

918
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 6: when you playing basketball, Lebron was like, I want to

919
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: go back to those series that y'all had, cause y'all

920
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 6: had some some heated series between you in Cleveland and

921
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: when he was.

922
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: With the Heat.

923
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 6: Just talk about those battles and like I used to

924
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 6: love to watch, even when I was in the league

925
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 6: doing this time, I used to love to watch y'all series.

926
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Joe Kane talking trash, he

927
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 6: ain't really like cause it was like in the time

928
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 6: where everybody knew, you know, go to Cleveland. Yeah, Lebron was.

929
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 4: Top of the league, but it was like y'all was

930
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: meeting them with that aggression.

931
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 6: You had somebody chirping, you had Joe came over there

932
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 6: waving like get that, get that out of here, man,

933
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 6: nobody and y'all it was like, this is the confrontation.

934
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: You know how we are we want to see this.

935
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 6: So it was like, how was it to be locked

936
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 6: in in those wars, especially like y'all got multiple playoff

937
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 6: series to go to it like this is where you know,

938
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, this is a real beef a little bit.

939
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: So how was it for y'all to be in them trenches? Man?

940
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 5: I wanted and Joe said this, it's the same Man,

941
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 5: I wanted to be Bron so bad.

942
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: You know, I knew.

943
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: I knew how good Lebron is and how good he

944
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: made his team even through during the season.

945
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: You know, you kind of circled that game.

946
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: And like you said earlier, as a competitor, I knew

947
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: that everybody was watching Lebron. It wasn't about you know,

948
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: whoever Lebron played, people go to watch Lebron. It's just,

949
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, that's who Lebron was. So for me, I

950
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: made it. I always wanted to give him a hard time,

951
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: no matter what it was. And I wasn't a guy

952
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: who's going to talk trash or do anything. I just

953
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: I just bothered him. I just, you know, every shot,

954
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: whether he saw me or not, I just I worked

955
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: so hard to try or you know, give ourselves a

956
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: chance to win. And you know, it goes back to

957
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, I always felt like we were going to

958
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: get one with the Derek injury and so on. But

959
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: you know when I when I think back, it just

960
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: you start to realize how good he was and as

961
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: talented as Lebron is. I always tell people the story

962
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: I was doing in twenty twelve. We did a McDonald's

963
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: commercial together me and Lebron before the Olympics, and Lebron

964
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: has a hit trailer and I had my trailer. I

965
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: was there with my brother and Lebron was there with

966
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: like fifteen or sixteen people. He had a whole entourage

967
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: in there, right. So every time we would shoot you know,

968
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: a skid whatever for thirty minutes and they would give

969
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: us a break, I would go with my trailer and

970
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: I would just sit there. And then I was just like, ooh,

971
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: I wonder what he's doing, like all those people and

972
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: there I hit the music whatever, whatever. I'm just sitting

973
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: there with my brother quiet.

974
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 5: Nothing.

975
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: I go in his trailer, man, and it changed my

976
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: whole career. I see this guy, he had his trainer,

977
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: he had a massage therapist.

978
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: He had all the bands we won.

979
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: It was actually working. He's actually working on his body.

980
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: And you know, at that time, I thought I worked hard,

981
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: but I wasn't working smart. I was just working, you know.

982
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: But this guy is using his time wisely, and it

983
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: changed my whole approach. I started getting a chef, you know,

984
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: I started getting a trainer. I started taking it so seriously,

985
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: and that led to my All Star years and playing

986
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: those minister and staying healthy. If you look back at

987
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: my career before that, I was gaining a lot of injuries,

988
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: and you know, later on I turned it around, and

989
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: it was really part of learning how to take care

990
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: of my body. I wasn't taught that. I didn't go

991
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: to school for it. I didn't, you know, do any of.

992
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: That and that.

993
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: And they weren't giving those secrets out in the NBA

994
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: and telling you to do that. Figure it out yourself.

995
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I mean, you know, at the end of

996
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: my career after that, I'm traveling with a whole bag

997
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: that's just with bands and form role and massage whatnot

998
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: and ice bags and whatnot, because I started to take

999
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: it serious. I wasn't doing that to begin with, you know. So,

1000
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, as good as Lebron is and as talented

1001
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: as he is, you know, people need to realize from

1002
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: day one, you know, he had the knowledge of what

1003
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: it takes to be at his best and that that's

1004
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: why he's still playing today.

1005
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1006
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definite say that about Lebron, like I

1007
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: always say that. Man, I was three years in the

1008
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: league and already and he came in and he was

1009
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: so much more.

1010
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: Mature than me.

1011
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: The way he carried hisself and what he was doing

1012
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: in the weight room and going to how he was

1013
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: going to the gym. I was putting work in, but

1014
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: not like this guy, for him to be for me

1015
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: to be twenty one, he coming into eighteen and he's

1016
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: doing it already.

1017
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: It was like, man, and I see why he lasted

1018
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: so long.

1019
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: No, definitely, definitely. And now I tell all my you know,

1020
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: all the young guys that I trained and so on.

1021
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: You know, I can't just talk to you about putting

1022
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: the ball in the hoop or dribbling. You know, it's

1023
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: all about how you maximizing the best of your talent.

1024
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: You know, what are you doing to really reach the

1025
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: best of your talent? Because you can be talented enough

1026
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: to be in the NBA for a few years, but

1027
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: let's work on you know, being there, get get every

1028
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: ounce out of it. You know, I didn't have that.

1029
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: I was obviously talented. I just worked hard. But that

1030
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: knowledge came late. But I'm glad at least I got

1031
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: the knowledge. You know, now, I started that from my

1032
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, from my rookie year.

1033
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: Right away, be world different, you rewinded.

1034
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I was sleep and eat in the weight room, in

1035
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: the gym. I've been like Kobe Man, you wouldn't see

1036
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: me until it was game time. I'm already I'm worked.

1037
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: Up, seriously. That's how we all see it.

1038
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: Now, tell me this.

1039
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 6: You you that when the youngest Jimmy Butler walked through

1040
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 6: the door, what was your first impressions of Jimmy Buckets Now, Jimmy, I.

1041
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: Knew, you know, it was at the time, you know,

1042
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: I had Griff was my teammate, Adrian Griffin, and I

1043
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: remember being young and Griff being my vet. Griff was

1044
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: always you know, in the gym, working out to come

1045
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: in at night and all that, and you know, he

1046
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: would just kind of, you know, teach me all these

1047
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: little tricks, you know, and I appreciate it so much.

1048
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: When Jimmy came on board, Adrian Griffin became our assistant coach,

1049
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: and I remember Adrian just being on me like, Yo,

1050
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: you got to take this young guy under your wing,

1051
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: you know. And for me, I just saw Jimmy was

1052
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: so talented and I knew I could see it in practice.

1053
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: He's matching up against me, how he moves the way

1054
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: he's guarded me. And I remember I would go to

1055
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: Tibbs and I would tell him like, Yo, we need

1056
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: to play this young guy. Jimmy needs to play. I

1057
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: remember going to TIBs and telling them, Yo, this kid

1058
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: needs to start is that good. And it took Tims

1059
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: a while, but Jimmy really bought into it and he

1060
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: worked so hard. You know, Jimmy is in the gym,

1061
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: he's getting shot, so you know we're going to the game.

1062
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: He's not playing a single minute. He's back at the arena,

1063
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: he's working out, he's running. And for me, I knew,

1064
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know that he would be this good,

1065
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: but I knew that he's going to be in the

1066
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: league for a long time.

1067
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 4: How was it playing in the Olympics with Great Britain?

1068
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: For me, I always wanted to be an Olympian and

1069
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: at the time, I couldn't really represent Sudan. You know,

1070
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: we were in one country, but we were going through

1071
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: a civil war, same war and the same regime that

1072
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: made me flee my country, you know, because of their

1073
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: own beliefs and how they wanted to separate the country

1074
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: between Muslims and Christians, you know, and Arabs and Africans.

1075
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: So right away, I remember, I said I didn't want

1076
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: to represent Sudan and I went you know, when I

1077
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: was in England, I went to the national team and

1078
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: I told him, I said, look, I was taken in

1079
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: by this country. Yeah, gave me an opportunity. The best

1080
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: thing that I could do is work as part as

1081
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: I can and play every summer and try to really

1082
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: take basketball to a different level in this country. And

1083
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: every summer while I was in the league, I would

1084
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: go back and play with the English national team until

1085
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: we made it to the Olympics. And I remember, I

1086
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: just felt like I gave something back to a country

1087
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: that gave me an opportunity. That's really how I felt

1088
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: about it. I represented it because one I didn't want

1089
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: to represent Sudan because of what was going on, and

1090
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: two I wanted to be an Olympian, and three I

1091
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: just wanted to give back to them.

1092
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Your last year with the Bulls, d Rose was hurt

1093
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: and you was the leading score.

1094
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: Did you feel like once d.

1095
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: Rose got hurt they kind of gave up on that

1096
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: core that y'all had the cores instead of going forward

1097
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: with that corps. But once d Rose got hurt, they

1098
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of gave up on the whole core of that.

1099
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something I never shared, and

1100
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: you know, this is really why it went the way

1101
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: it went.

1102
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 5: If you remember that year we went to.

1103
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: The playoffs, the year that d Rose got hurt. We

1104
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: were playing Brooklyn and there was a flu going on

1105
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: with the team and one of the doctors suggested that,

1106
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, because my fever was so high, they suggested

1107
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: that I had menagitis, and I don't know where, they

1108
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: just sent me to the hospital. When I got to

1109
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: the hospital, they diagnosed me wrong and they ended up

1110
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: saying that my fever was too high and whatnot, and

1111
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: they ended up giving me a spinal tap surgery. Now, yeah,

1112
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: this is what happened. This is how I missed the

1113
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: playoffs that year. So I go and get a spinal tab,

1114
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: knowing that I don't know what a spinal tab is.

1115
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 2: But the doctor told me that, you know, oh, don't

1116
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: worry about it. It's just the procedure to see if

1117
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: you have managitis, because this is serious whatever whatever, mind you,

1118
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: other people in the team had the flu. Anyway, they

1119
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: proceed and just go on with it. Anyway, I ended

1120
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: up this in the playoffs. And what happened was that

1121
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: year there was a dispute going on with the MBPA

1122
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: and so on about me sewing the bulls because of

1123
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: what took place.

1124
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 5: But I knew that if I sue the Bulls.

1125
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: I would either not play bass ever again in order

1126
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: to win the case, to prove that things didn't go

1127
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: well and this could be a career ending. But I

1128
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: wanted to hoop, so I said, Yo, I'm not doing anyone.

1129
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna hoop. I'm just going to come back.

1130
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: I came back that year, and nothing was the same.

1131
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: It just felt like, you know, every game I was

1132
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: given an opportunity to prove that I'm healthy. And as

1133
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: the year went on, like you said, I'm the leading scorer,

1134
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm averaging almost twenty points and so on. You know,

1135
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: the next thing I know is I'm traded to Cleveland,

1136
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, And I still believe that move was made

1137
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: really because I've played enough games to show that, you know,

1138
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: I was healthy enough that when the team started being

1139
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: broken up and one by one after I left, you know,

1140
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: you started seeing people being moved, tips being moved and

1141
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: so on. But when I look back, and you guys noticed,

1142
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: any team that wins the league, they got to be

1143
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: together for a few years, you know, and those you know,

1144
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: the best gms and the best presidents in the NBA,

1145
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: they understand that. If you look at San Antonio, if

1146
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: you look at Detroit Pistons, if you look at the Lakers,

1147
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: you know, if you look at Golden States, you know,

1148
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: you go on and wrong. You got to keep the core,

1149
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: expect to just you know, just because of one injury,

1150
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: you just let everything go. And I think that's where

1151
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: we went wrong. I think once Derek got hurt, they

1152
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: let go of the rope, not knowing that. You know,

1153
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: even with Derek returning, he needed us around him. He

1154
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: needed that, you know, he needed that core that were

1155
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: with him to rock with him because we would believe

1156
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: in him no matter what. And like Joe said, we

1157
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: were on each other. I remember Derek's with his injuries.

1158
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: We kept you know, you got to get on the rehab.

1159
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: You gotta change your diet, you gotta eat better because

1160
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: we can't. It wasn't just about hooping. It was just,

1161
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 2: you know, get the best you can out of your career.

1162
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 6: Tell me this, like you said, like everybody knew. You

1163
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. When you weigh in Egypt, people

1164
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 6: still was the bull the bulls and bulls. Like now

1165
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: you're getting you know what I'm saying. You didn't play

1166
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 6: ten years there, Now you're getting traded away like when

1167
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 6: you look back at it, Like you said, nothing could

1168
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 6: touch the MJ era obviously, but like to note that

1169
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 6: y'all have an era in the organization's history and that

1170
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 6: there's a firm era that the fans in the city

1171
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 6: gonna always remember y'all and respect what y'all did. Like,

1172
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 6: how did that feel to know that y'all impacted the

1173
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 6: city and impacted the town like Chicago.

1174
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 4: En he left being fourth all time and scoring.

1175
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like this story franchise has got championships and

1176
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 6: titles and y'all, y'all got big time bricks in the foundation,

1177
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 6: and y'all gonna be you know what I'm saying, remember

1178
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 6: it there forever?

1179
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nah, honestly, man, it's it's so amazing. I never,

1180
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: like you just said, fourth and score. I never thought

1181
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: I would ever even be in the top twenty with

1182
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: the bulls Eye. That was never a thought. You know,

1183
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm even surprised when I hear about it. But it's time.

1184
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 5: Man.

1185
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: I just really I wish we would have won. But

1186
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm just so thankful. It's almost like, Okay,

1187
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: you know, I'm so thankful for playing for that city.

1188
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for the teammates that I had. You know,

1189
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to be greedy. It's like you're giving

1190
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: so much back.

1191
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1192
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: We're just programmed to just be in this mindset of

1193
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 2: you know, you didn't win a championship, therefore it wasn't

1194
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: a success. But that was you know, in reality, there

1195
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: was so much you know, not only myself, but also

1196
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: like you we said earlier, Derek Rosse's influence with his

1197
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, personality, and Joe Kim and what he's doing

1198
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: with the city now and all that stuff. That's all

1199
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: part of whatever my personality was, whatever Joe's personality was,

1200
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: Kirk and so on, we kind of like, you know,

1201
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: we kind of rubbed on each.

1202
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 5: Other to be better human beings for the city and

1203
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 5: that would live on forever.

1204
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1205
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: Tell us in twenty fifteen, you played with Team Africa

1206
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA's African Exhibition game where you had Giannis,

1207
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: you had Serge, the Kimba King. Just for that to

1208
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: be that game and just tell us that experience of

1209
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: how like dope that was to just do that and

1210
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: just have the exhibition game there.

1211
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: It's insane, man, Because I remember in twenty ten when

1212
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: I was in the league. I went back to Africa

1213
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: with I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do

1214
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: fall and I remember Masai was with us, and what

1215
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: we did was we just did camps. We would pick

1216
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: five countries in Africa and we would spend the summer there.

1217
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: I was going to Rwanda, Angola, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, like whatever.

1218
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: We would just pick five and we would just go.

1219
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: And at the time, it started small, but it started

1220
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: to grow the NBA started joining. They started to see

1221
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: the potential what we're doing. So, you know, to fast

1222
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: forward in twenty fifteen, you know, to be able to

1223
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: play in the continent, it just felt so good. It

1224
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: just felt that, you know, for me growing up, you know,

1225
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: being from Africa and bringing the game back and all

1226
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: these stars coming and.

1227
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 5: Playing against the world.

1228
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: It just felt like I'm a part of, you know,

1229
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: something that can change the narrative, motivate players to actually

1230
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: believe that they can do it. You know, as a kid,

1231
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: I would never ever get an opportunity to see an

1232
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: NBA player, And all of a sudden, everyone is coming

1233
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: back to the continent to play.

1234
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 5: It's special.

1235
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: That's crazy for y'all to have, like the old and

1236
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: the new, to have the Kim Bay and team out

1237
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: there with you and Surge. You know what I'm saying

1238
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: new area to Yiannis, Like that's just crazy. I know

1239
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: that just was a dope, dope event for Africa.

1240
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 5: Now it really it changed a lot.

1241
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1242
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 5: You know, I always used to tell people this.

1243
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: When I first came in the league, being an African player,

1244
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: I always felt like, you know, I would look around

1245
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: the league and so on, and every other African player

1246
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: was a big man. And the way it me like,

1247
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, we would sit down and take and some

1248
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: people sometimes they don't even know what they're saying, and

1249
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: you would watch and you just like, they will be

1250
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: scouting an African player and they'd just be like, yeah,

1251
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: he's raw, he's athletic, he's raw. And it bothered me

1252
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, yo, you know, African players are skilled,

1253
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: Like we can dribble, we can do that. But now

1254
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, in twenty fifteen and all that and seeing Giannis,

1255
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: seeing Siakam and be and now when you look at

1256
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: the league of how many African players are there, it

1257
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: just shows you that all these little things matter, all

1258
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: these things it influence, you know, players whether it's in

1259
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: the US, whether it's in Africa, whatever it is. You know,

1260
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: when players are when you know, kids feel that they

1261
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: can reach you, or they could see you, or they

1262
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: can be like you.

1263
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 5: You know, you change the narrative.

1264
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: You signed with the Heat. How did you adapt to

1265
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: Heat Culture and how did you feel?

1266
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: Like?

1267
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 6: How was your time in Miami? I had, I had

1268
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 6: the one year that I know you had a couple.

1269
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 6: How was your time with Heat Culture?

1270
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 4: Man?

1271
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: I loved it.

1272
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 5: I'm still you know, right now, I'm still in Miami.

1273
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: I live.

1274
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 4: Hey look, look, hey, look, blauda boy.

1275
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 6: I tell people all the time we went and people

1276
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 6: come to the Florida to play and stuff, we don't

1277
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 6: really leave.

1278
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 4: We do not really leave.

1279
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: We say it's different, man, you know. I you know,

1280
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: before I came to the Heat, I hated the Heat

1281
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: because of the Wade and Lebron. I hated it, you know,

1282
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: Like I remember with Joe's interview with you guys, It's

1283
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: like Lebron anytime we want to win, he's there, you know,

1284
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: shut down the East for so long, and Dwayne Wade

1285
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: the same thing. So before I came to the Heat,

1286
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: I was actually worried about that I was like, Yo,

1287
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: I've been battling with these guys. You know, I don't know.

1288
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: But once I signed, man, it's you know, Dwayne Wade

1289
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: is one of the best teammates you d The culture

1290
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: was just so dope in terms of it's a family atmosphere. Uh.

1291
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: It really reminded me a lot of Duke. It's like

1292
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: a brotherhood where you know, spoke par rally. Everybody, everyone

1293
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: in the organization is always checking on you. They make

1294
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: life easier in Miami. Uh, you know, anywhere you want

1295
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: to go. They so for me, I ended up staying here.

1296
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: And obviously the weather, like you said, you know, and

1297
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: I always tell people, man, I ended up in Chicago

1298
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: in one of the coldest cities. Being from Africa, that

1299
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: wasn't easy found you know, I found my way back

1300
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: to the heat.

1301
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1302
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this Ldlando be doing this right, man, Like still

1303
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: wearing shorts when it's cold. It's cold back back East

1304
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: in the Midwell.

1305
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 6: I went from Miami to Orlando and then ain't never leave.

1306
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 6: So since I came to Florida, I ain't left.

1307
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 5: Florida's dope, man, It's dope.

1308
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 4: The weather.

1309
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 5: The weather is a big it's a big part of everything.

1310
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 4: Yo, Heat play Off debut.

1311
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: You scored thirty one points and your Heat Playoff debut,

1312
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: how was that? Reminisce about that game and tell us

1313
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: about that game, coming out and getting the thirty one points.

1314
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: You know, when I think back the way the things

1315
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: worked out for me with the Heat. When I first

1316
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: came in, I was trying to figure it out. I

1317
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: was really trying to figure it out. And I remember

1318
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: sitting with Spoe and I've never had a coach tell

1319
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: me I want you to shoot seven threes in a game.

1320
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, every game, I just want you to shoot

1321
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: seven threes. I've never done that. You know, I always

1322
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: tell people when I go back to my career, this

1323
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: one time I averaged nineteen points and I shot eight

1324
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: threes all season and made one. You know, when I

1325
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: was with the Bulls, so I was always you know,

1326
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: you guys know, mid range was everything. I just wanted

1327
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: to get to my spot and pull up. So when

1328
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: Spoe told me, you know, I want you to shoot

1329
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: seven threes and every time you catch it in the corner,

1330
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: let it go. And that was right before the playoffs,

1331
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: a month or so into it. So I went into

1332
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: that playoff so confident. And you know, when you watch

1333
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: the game today, guys are so skilled. Now, I'm not

1334
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: taking anything away, but if you look back at the

1335
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: way we play, guys, and if you were told, you know,

1336
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: go in a game and shoot seven threes, you know

1337
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: you made four of those and you're coming out with

1338
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: twelve points. Now, you know, any two layups here and

1339
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 2: a couple of fast break and it changes the whole game.

1340
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: So it made the game so much easier for me.

1341
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: So I always look back the easiest time I had

1342
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 2: in my career was with the Heat, where I was

1343
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: working hard, but they made the game so easy for me.

1344
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: I didn't have to like chase anything. It was just,

1345
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, let it go, just trust it, work on

1346
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: your game and let it go. And that's the first

1347
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: time I ever had any coach tell me that, and

1348
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: it made it so much easier for me.

1349
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 6: How was it signing to the Lakers after you know,

1350
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 6: Rad the Kobe retired, Like, how what was it like

1351
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 6: walking into their post Kobe?

1352
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: Like, especially from what you went through to get back

1353
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: to getting a big contract.

1354
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: Now, it's it's insane, man.

1355
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 4: You know I had for years me too nice, you know, listen, it.

1356
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: Came a lot of heat, with a lot of pressure

1357
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: and unnecessary things, uncalled for. But you know the thing back,

1358
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: like you said, I played with the heat. The heat

1359
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: gave me an opportunity. I had one of my best playoffs.

1360
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: I was playing so well. Uh And I remember I

1361
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: wanted to stay in Miami, but Pat Rally kept it

1362
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: real and Pat just said, yo, I can't. I can't

1363
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: pay you that much money. You gotta you gotta take

1364
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: that money. And for me, that was so real. So

1365
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: I looked at it and I'm like, you know what,

1366
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: I might never ever get this opportunity again. But my

1367
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: conversation with going to LA was to go there to whop.

1368
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: You know. I had a mindset of, you know, and

1369
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: now I'm getting paid, I'm going to you know, the

1370
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: lights and whatnot, and I wanted to, you know, make

1371
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: it happen. So I took the chance and I took

1372
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: the money. But I never knew exactly what their plan was,

1373
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: or what the plan was was not what I was told,

1374
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: and that kind of change, you know, how I looked

1375
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: at the league, my love for the game and so on,

1376
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: and I really mean it. I was getting all this money,

1377
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: but it didn't feel right. It didn't feel the same.

1378
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is I wanted to play.

1379
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a part of, you know, the team.

1380
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to change, but I was told we're going

1381
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: to a different direction. I'm not dressing up and whatnot,

1382
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: and you know, and.

1383
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 4: I could basically tell you can go home and we're

1384
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: gonna sing your checks.

1385
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: Basically, honestly, that's what it was. And you know, I

1386
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 2: always tell people, there was a lot of conversation where

1387
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: one month into it, it's like, yo, we're only going

1388
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: to play the young guys. A month into it is like, yo,

1389
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: we need you to get in shape practice and so on.

1390
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: And I would get in shape practice, and then it

1391
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: would be a sit down and be like, oh, actually

1392
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: we decided we're going to play the young guys. And

1393
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: it just kept going so two years. In the second year,

1394
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm never I never

1395
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: want to play here, you know. And I remember it

1396
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: was just it was just like, yo, you're going to play.

1397
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: You're not gonna play. You're gonna play it. And my

1398
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: agent is trying, but you gave me so much money

1399
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: and now you're not playing me. Why would anyone else

1400
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: take that contract. You gotta let me play for people

1401
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: to see, but I was never allowed to play.

1402
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could never understand why teams do that. It's

1403
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 6: so many examples of teams signing the guy, whether it's

1404
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 6: for a lot or a little money, but bringing a

1405
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 6: new player to your team and then tell you one thing,

1406
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 6: and then it's like, why the hell did you bring

1407
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 6: me here if you didn't want me to play like this?

1408
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 6: Like you said, it's a month into this thing and

1409
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 6: y'all telling me this bullshit now like you like. It's

1410
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 6: so many examples of that, whether it's the management ain't

1411
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 6: on the same page with the coach and then they

1412
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 6: didne brought somebody who like bro, y'all gotta get that

1413
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 6: shit together, like y'all needs to be in sync on

1414
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 6: that decision.

1415
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1416
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: I tell the young guys all the time, Uh, don't

1417
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: let the politics or the business take the love of

1418
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: the game out of it, because once you let the

1419
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: politics and the big take.

1420
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 4: Your love, it just adds on to it.

1421
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: Being in Portland and doing all that, Man, I didn't

1422
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: love really love the game. How I used to love

1423
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: it no more because it was like I was dealing

1424
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: with all this politics and is the business part of it,

1425
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: and you can get caught up in that. So I'll

1426
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: tell the young guys, man, fight as much as you

1427
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: can to never lose the love of the game because

1428
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna go through a lot of stuff dealing with

1429
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: the front office, with the politics and the business of it.

1430
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, definitely.

1431
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 5: I always tell people, man, you know, I've learned this

1432
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 5: throughout my career.

1433
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: And obviously everyone could you know, rank them differently, but

1434
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: I will say the three worst thing, you know, beside injury,

1435
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: but the three worst thing that can happen for somebody's career,

1436
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: you know.

1437
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,440
Speaker 5: Number one is obviously having a coach.

1438
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: That doesn't like you for some reason, forget your game,

1439
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: your personality or whatever, or the way you talk or whatever.

1440
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: Number two is when a GM that you know drafted

1441
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: you loses their job, you know, because when a GM

1442
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 2: drafts you, you know, for them to be a good GM,

1443
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: they need to let you play and to the world

1444
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: that they got the right pick, so they do whatever

1445
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 2: it is. And then the third one is when you

1446
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: get traded, you know, because when you get traded, you're

1447
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: really an experiment. You're not really my drafting. So if

1448
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: you get traded to whatever team it is. If there's

1449
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 2: a young guy ahead of you, even if you're better,

1450
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: we're going to make sure that that young guy is

1451
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: it because he's the future and that's who we drafted,

1452
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: you know. So for me, you know, whatever it took

1453
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: place with LA and so on, it's okay. I've learned

1454
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 2: a lot, but I always look back. I was so

1455
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: lucky to be with one organization for ten years. You know,

1456
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: think about it, like not a lot of people could

1457
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: tell you, Like I never knew what everybody is going

1458
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: through until ten years into the league. Like I never

1459
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: knew till I went to Cleveland, and I.

1460
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 4: Was like, I was always the first trade trade team.

1461
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: Just send me, you know, I gave him everything. I

1462
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: played through injuries, whatever, you just send me away. And

1463
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: now you're telling me, I got to get a plane tomorrow,

1464
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: I got to look for an apartment, and now I'm

1465
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 2: in a new organization. It's like, but it took me

1466
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: ten years to experience that. I had so many teammates

1467
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: come into the locker room. I've sat there in Chicago,

1468
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, from the age of eighteen till twenty eight,

1469
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 2: I've seen people come in and leave, but I'm to go. Yeah,

1470
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: but I've never experienced what they're dealing with, looking for

1471
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: an apartment, looking for a house for you know, family,

1472
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: moving so on. I just stayed in one place. So

1473
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: at the same time with everything that happened, you know,

1474
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: I've been so blessed. I don't want to ignore, you know,

1475
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to dwell on what didn't go right

1476
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 2: at the end, because a lot went right for me

1477
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: to get that.

1478
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely.

1479
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: How was it, you know, after the Lakers had your

1480
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: hostage in the closet, How was it to get to

1481
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota and you start seeing familiar faces. You there with Jimmy,

1482
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: you there with de Rose Tides, you got close tips,

1483
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You get some of that

1484
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: home cooking a little bit back, even though it's a

1485
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: different city. But you know, just being around your guys

1486
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: and guys that you can relate to and have them

1487
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: talks with whether you're playing minutes or not. It's like, man,

1488
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: just being on the team with these guys is just

1489
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: a relief. Nah, definitely, I think I needed it.

1490
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: You know. When I was in La it was just

1491
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: a lot going on, but I just didn't feel like

1492
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: I was a part of it. And you know, obviously

1493
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 2: this was publicized and social media and so on, everyone

1494
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: talking about what you're making. But there's nothing you can

1495
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: do about it. I didn't have an opportunity to like,

1496
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: let me fight back or whatever. It was just my words,

1497
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: their word, and then you decide whatever you want to do.

1498
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: But when I got to Minnesota, you know, honestly, I

1499
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: felt like I was back in the family. But that's

1500
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: when I realized I gotta go. That's really when it

1501
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: hit me, because when I was in LA, I was

1502
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: just practicing, and you know how it is in practice.

1503
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: I was holding my own running up and down, getting

1504
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: my jump shots something fight. Yeah, I felt like I

1505
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 2: still had it, but you know, being too is without

1506
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 2: playing in the best league in the world. And now

1507
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm in Minnesota, I'm showing up at practicing. I'm not

1508
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: It's not the same. You know. I had to be

1509
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: honest with myself and just be like, listen, get out. Now.

1510
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: You know you've had the blessing to be paid whatever.

1511
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm not chasing money, you know, just be humble enough

1512
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: and go do something else with your life and be

1513
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 2: okay with it. And I really that one year just

1514
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: allowed me to be okay with everything.

1515
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 6: How was it to say you could sign that last

1516
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 6: contract with the you know, the one day contract with

1517
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 6: the Bulls and kind of close it out still a

1518
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 6: Chicago bull Yeah.

1519
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 5: No, I sang them for that.

1520
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 2: But you know, I called the Bulls and I called

1521
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Packs and I told them, I said, look, this is

1522
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: really how it should be done. I felt like, you know,

1523
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: just for the future, for everybody else, all players, to

1524
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: be honest, they should be able to pick the one

1525
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: organization that drafted them or they felt like they were

1526
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: home and just sign them for one day. Money is

1527
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: no nothing. Just let me you know in Wikipedia when

1528
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 2: you look me up whatever, just let that be my

1529
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: last stop. And you know, they were okay with it,

1530
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: and they said, you know, let's do it and so on.

1531
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: And I'm just so happy that I did it because

1532
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: now even now, you know, when I look back, I

1533
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: always tell people I ended up. I ended my career

1534
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: where I started it. That just allows me to feel like,

1535
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, Chicago is the one place that you know, deserves.

1536
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 5: To be my last team.

1537
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 4: That's dope.

1538
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: Watching d Roe's career and his and the injuries he

1539
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: went through, people don't know. With these injuries, the mental

1540
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: strain is on you for rehabbing and trying to get

1541
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: back even close to where.

1542
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 4: You was before.

1543
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: For him to fight them many years to get back to,

1544
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, to still have a decent career.

1545
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 4: So for long, I feel like he's a Hall of Famer.

1546
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll let him be a Hall

1547
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: of Fame or he'll get selected to. I still feel

1548
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: like d Road's the Hall of Fame of what he did.

1549
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: But how proud of him you are to see the

1550
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: fight of went to these teams. You know, man, de

1551
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: Rose type player. We're never supposed to see him play

1552
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: on that many teams. He was Cleveland, New York, he Minnesota,

1553
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: he you know what I'm saying.

1554
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I honestly feel that d Rose first

1555
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: of all, should be a Hall of Famer. De Rose

1556
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: Jersey should be retired in Chicago as soon as possible. Easy,

1557
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: and I think you know that will push that because

1558
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: as Q, you know Chicago what d Rose means to

1559
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: that city not just but get basketball, but just you

1560
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 2: know where he comes from as an example, like you

1561
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: you showed the money earlier of me being on the money.

1562
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 2: D Rose deserves something like that in Chicago, that number

1563
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: one jersey, Because the thing with retiring a jersey, it's

1564
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:54,560
Speaker 2: not just about.

1565
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 5: How good you were. It takes you back to you know, who.

1566
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: The person is that number one? I did he wear one?

1567
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 2: Why was he drafted one? Being from Chicago, you know,

1568
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: being from semeon what he did, being the youngest MVP

1569
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: ever being from that city. I think that alone, you know,

1570
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 2: is just the legacy. But to go back to what

1571
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: you were saying with the injuries, he's to me, it's

1572
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: such a special talent. It's such a special talent that

1573
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: doesn't come around often. And you know we all recognize that,

1574
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: and that's why you were so you know good at

1575
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 2: playing for so long. Because even b roses sixty percent,

1576
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: it's still a lot of people.

1577
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 6: Real talk you somebody's got a crazy real estate portfolio.

1578
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 4: Like when did you start getting into real estate? And

1579
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 4: what made you do that? Start using your money and

1580
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 4: buying real estate and taking that path.

1581
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 5: It started with a friend of mine in London just

1582
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 5: teaching me what real estate really is.

1583
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: You know, money working for you, you know, purchasing something

1584
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: and then you know income coming in. I if you

1585
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: sent me down with real estate moguls or whatever. I

1586
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: can't hold my owning that conversation. You know, I'm not

1587
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: I didn't go to school for it and none of that.

1588
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: But I had a passion.

1589
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 5: You know, I don't. I'm not a flashy guy. I

1590
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 5: don't have cars, I don't have anything.

1591
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: But I was always into, you know, owning a nice

1592
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: house or owning something or you know, being proud of something,

1593
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: making something for me.

1594
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 5: And that's really how it started.

1595
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 2: It just started by okay, let's you know, get this house,

1596
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: let's flip it, let's rent it out, and then you

1597
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: start seeing what's coming in, and then you get excited.

1598
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: You do something else and something else, and before you

1599
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: know where your portfolio is growing and growing and growing,

1600
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: and you know, and even now back in Africa and

1601
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: the continent, you know, I'm taking on the same thing,

1602
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: you know, just trying to grow financially there, but also

1603
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, being smart with it, you know, not not

1604
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: risking everything and not being stupid. And you're gonna make

1605
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: mistakes no matter what when it comes to real estate.

1606
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's not always going to go your way.

1607
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: So how do you minimize your risk? You know, and

1608
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 2: how do you surround yourself with people that are doing

1609
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: the right things and they have the experience in it,

1610
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 2: you know. But you're definitely you're gonna have to live

1611
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: with making mistakes until you get burned. You want to

1612
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 2: know how much you're hurt. So you kind of just

1613
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 2: have to if you're afraid of just like, you know,

1614
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: going out there and trying it, you know, you're gonna

1615
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: hold yourself back and you will regret it, you know.

1616
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: And that's really what happened with me or in real estate.

1617
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 2: It was you know, taking chances and you know, some

1618
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: some going your way and some not going your way,

1619
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: but just realizing that you know, you're putting your money

1620
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: in the right places where.

1621
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 5: You won't be hurt that much.

1622
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: Well, I want to touch on this amazing summer that

1623
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: you just had with the South Sudan team. One thing

1624
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: I got to say to you boys was clean that

1625
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: first day on the flag day, you boys, they put

1626
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: it all y'all boys clean. Tell us about the process

1627
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: of getting there, how hard them guys worked, Ivy, how

1628
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: great of a job he did.

1629
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 4: Man.

1630
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: Of course I was I was rooting for the USA team,

1631
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: but I was so proud of y'all man, and just

1632
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: seeing the growth of y'all and and seeing that now

1633
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 1: only seven footers come out of Africa.

1634
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 4: You have skilled guys that can do all the stuff too, man.

1635
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: But just tell us about that whole thing and how

1636
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: much you invested in them guys and how much love

1637
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 1: they showed back working hard and trying their best to

1638
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 1: do what they needed to do.

1639
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: Nah, definitely.

1640
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, just throughout my whole life, I always felt

1641
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 3: like I could never explain to people where I'm from

1642
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: if it's not a negative narrative.

1643
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: Like for example, you know, people were like, why why

1644
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: were you in Egypt? And I'm just like, because there

1645
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: was a war in my country.

1646
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1647
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: You you turn on the news and there's people starving

1648
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: and this, you know, war and whatever. And I just

1649
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: felt like throughout my career, I always felt like there's

1650
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: so many South Sudanese you know people that we're never

1651
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: in any conversation, We're never in no spotlight or nothing.

1652
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: And then it goes back to you know, basketball in Africa,

1653
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 2: what I talked about earlier is always big guys and

1654
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: so on, and as you get into the game, you

1655
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 2: realize that the talent is there, but what is actually missing?

1656
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: You know. So when I retired, I just took it

1657
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: up on myself and I said, you know what, I'm

1658
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 2: gonna go back and really focus on, you know, putting

1659
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: it out there to let people realize that we can

1660
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: compete with the rest of the world, but we can

1661
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: also be one of the best countries when it comes

1662
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: to basketball. And you know, we have so many athletes

1663
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: and you know, just you know, being South Sudanese alone,

1664
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: you know, the average height for my tribe is six'.

1665
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: Four you walk, around you got all these, athletes you

1666
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 2: got all these young guys who are very, skilled they can,

1667
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: play and this is all over the. Continent so WHEN

1668
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: i took that, opportunity you, KNOW i kept telling, myself

1669
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: you know what's missing is the. Resources you, know like

1670
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: we have the basketball, knowledge you, know like you, Said

1671
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: Royale ivy came on board and we're teaching the right.

1672
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 2: Way we got guys who could. Hoop you, know how

1673
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: do we get? There and it just went from you,

1674
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: know not being ranked In africa to all of a

1675
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: sudden playing In Afro, basket all of a sudden getting

1676
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: out of there and making it to The World. Cup

1677
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: you go to The World cup and all of a,

1678
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: sudden you're making it to The. Olympics you get to

1679
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,879
Speaker 2: The olympics and you're playing THE us and the exhibition,

1680
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: game and everyone is talking about how you're going to

1681
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: lose by forty to. Fifty but the way everything, went,

1682
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: honestly it's almost like it's like a written. Story everything that,

1683
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: came whether it's negative or, POSITIVE i took it as an,

1684
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: opportunity you, know whatever it, was it was an. Opportunity

1685
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 2: and the way everything worked, out even the way the

1686
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 2: game went to lose to THE us by one and

1687
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: then being in the same, group we got so much

1688
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: coverage that it changed the whole. NARRATIVE a lot of,

1689
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: people you, know a lot of people didn't even Know

1690
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 2: South sudan is a. Country they just thought it's The

1691
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: south Of, sudan you. Know so now we're able to

1692
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: actually walk around raise our flag and people are, like,

1693
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: yo y'all good at. Basketball this is, finally for the

1694
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: first time, ever someone could say y'all actually doing something.

1695
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 5: Right and that makes, us you, know it makes us,

1696
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 5: happy and that's part of changing the.

1697
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: Narrative, well y'all did it this summer, Man LIKE i,

1698
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: Said i'm super proud of of, youall. Team how y'all

1699
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: represented yourself and LIKE i, say them boys put that

1700
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: tag on.

1701
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 4: Them su whoever designed them joints they had on that first, Day,

1702
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 4: man they killed it with. Them they look real good

1703
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 4: and them now it's, dope.

1704
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: Man and we did it on purpose with the. Details you,

1705
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: know you, know we wanted to wear black and you

1706
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: know when we play we wear black because you, know

1707
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 2: the Word sudan is in The bible is the land

1708
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: of The, blacks the original land of the, blacks and

1709
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: the Word sudan comes from the word that's what In,

1710
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: arabic which means black and being you, know the darkest

1711
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: humans in the. World we really wanted to embrace, that

1712
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: so we wanted to wear.

1713
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 4: That the mass will hang with y'all on that. Tip you,

1714
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 4: know you Know i'm cool with.

1715
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: That with.

1716
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 4: Us you'll stick, together, man stick. Together you know his

1717
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: nickname The Blackest, one so you know he shit right on.

1718
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 4: It we're sticking. Together that's WHY i was.

1719
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Hype, definitely, man.

1720
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 6: Definitely hey tell me this, though did how did it

1721
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 6: get to the, point because like you talked, about you

1722
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 6: was playing For Great britain and you didn't really want

1723
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 6: to Represent sudan before. That how did you get to

1724
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 6: the point to where you was able to reconcile things

1725
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 6: and then get to the point to where you can

1726
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 6: do all of the work that you do in for

1727
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 6: your country and get them to be a you, know

1728
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 6: an Actual olympic team and do all of these.

1729
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 4: Things how did? That how did you get reconnected to the.

1730
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: Country in twenty, Eleven South sudan got their independence From,

1731
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 2: sudan so we became two separate. Countries Uh so when that,

1732
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 2: happened we were able to you, know be out on,

1733
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: country be able to put our culture first and so,

1734
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: on be able to express, ourselves the freedom of expressing

1735
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: ourselfs not to be, oppressed and so. On so finally

1736
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 2: we have our own country where we can showcase what

1737
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: we can do and who we are as. Humans for

1738
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: the majority of our life since the existence Of, sudan

1739
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 2: we haven't really been given that opportunity to show the

1740
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,799
Speaker 2: world What South sudan really. Is so in twenty, eleven

1741
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: AND i always tell people, THIS i was actually playing

1742
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: for the. BULLS i remember WHEN i was playing for

1743
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: The bulls in order for us to win our election

1744
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: and become. INDEPENDENT i did this thing WHERE i donated

1745
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: a lot of my money to get busses in all

1746
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: the areas where there's Refugee South sudanese, refugees whether it

1747
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 2: was In, Chicago, Michigan, Australia, egypt. ANYWHERE i spend a

1748
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: lot of money to get buses to take people from

1749
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: the refugee camp or whatever area they lived in to

1750
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 2: take them to the voting polls in order for us

1751
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: to vote and become our own.

1752
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 5: Country SO i took a part of.

1753
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: That SO i always felt like IF i took a

1754
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: part of that in twenty, eleven going down the, line

1755
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: as my life keeps, GOING i have to do something

1756
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: to keep Putting South sudan in a map and be

1757
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: a part, of you, know changing direction from Being sudan

1758
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: to be In South. Sudan so WHEN i, RETIRED i

1759
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: looked at basketball as an opportunity to you, know keep

1760
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: driving that force and keep motivating the youth to be

1761
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: proud of who we are and also for us to

1762
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: show the rest of the world that we finally. Arrived

1763
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: so that all that stuff are really part of WHY

1764
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: i took this. Direction with the national, team you.

1765
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 4: Had D rose come over there and the practice or

1766
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 4: something like that with the. Team Nod.

1767
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: Rose, yeah De rose came to the. Continent so we

1768
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: went To. Senegal D rose bought his high school, Team

1769
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: semeon and they we went To senegal With Joe kim

1770
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 2: and D. Rose actually we did an exhibition. Game D

1771
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: rose was out there in seneg out for a, week working,

1772
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: out getting ready for the. Season we were out there

1773
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 2: mentoring the young kids At Seed, academy which Is i'm

1774
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: gonna do this, academy and they were able to get

1775
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: in games and it was really good for all the

1776
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 2: players and all the kids From chicago to come To

1777
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 2: africa and you, know, one you, know get to experience

1778
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: The kosher and to see the, continent but also to

1779
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: really realize that we have so, much you, know in,

1780
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 2: common so many, similarities and you, know every kid that

1781
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 2: came was so happy and they changed their. Lives and

1782
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 2: that's something that we want to continue doing as we

1783
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: go on and not just sending. Out we want to

1784
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: do it all over the. Continent give an opportunity to

1785
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 2: connect the, dots you, know between the youth here in

1786
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: THE us and the youth and the.

1787
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: Continent how did that make you feel when you see

1788
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: guys like like D rose And Joe kim and just

1789
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: other people that we might not know about reaching out

1790
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,520
Speaker 1: and want to help, you you, know use your resources

1791
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: and and everything to come over there and just show

1792
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: love To South sudan and To africa and. People more

1793
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: people are more interested in going To. AFRICA i Know

1794
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: africa is on my bucket. List i've never, been but

1795
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: that's one of the PLACES i always wanted to. Go

1796
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: but you, know to see these guys now just really

1797
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: interested in helping you use your resources.

1798
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 4: To come over there and help out a little bit more.

1799
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: Now it's. Amazing you, know we.

1800
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 5: Live we're never such a unique, time.

1801
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: MAN i, HONESTLY i really believe that what life is

1802
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: now is going to be completely different in the. Future,

1803
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: obviously but you, know for our, kids the way we

1804
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 2: see the continent right now and the way we interact

1805
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: with you, know people and the continent and so, on

1806
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: that's all gonna. Change it's going to be so normal

1807
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 2: for your kids to be in a. Continent you, know multiple,

1808
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 2: times that's gonna. Change we're just the bridge right now

1809
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: where it's, happening whether it's D rose or myself or.

1810
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Whatever going back or the game that we. Had all

1811
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: that is new to everyone. Now the way technology is,

1812
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 2: now the way social media and the way the world is,

1813
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: moving the world is becoming, one and the continent is

1814
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: just it's not going to become this unknown continent to

1815
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 2: a lot of. People you, know as we keep on.

1816
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: Going you, know our kids are going to be interacting

1817
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: in the continent like it's. Nothing they're gonna be looking

1818
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: back and, saying, man you, know, pops you never went To.

1819
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Africa how come you, know like right? Right but then

1820
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be totally, different and that's just you,

1821
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: know so it's better for us to start, now so you,

1822
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: know move on the, process so we get to experience

1823
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 2: it while we're still.

1824
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 6: Here you, know it became like public knowledge that you

1825
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 6: was really coming out of pocket for the for the whole,

1826
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 6: team you, know renting out, gyms, buses, hotels, food doing

1827
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 6: all these things to make everything. Work after everything, that you,

1828
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 6: know after the successes you guys had and everything you've,

1829
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 6: done have you been been getting people coming out trying

1830
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,480
Speaker 6: to assist you guys and provide some of those resources

1831
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 6: that you were doing straight out of pocket and you

1832
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 6: getting some relief with.

1833
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah, no, DEFINITELY i think you, KNOW i

1834
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: wish that story never came. Out you, know it just

1835
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 2: felt like one of THOSE i really never did it

1836
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: so people know about. IT i just did it BECAUSE

1837
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: i really believe, that you, know like what you, said

1838
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: people will. Come AND i always you, know put this

1839
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 2: hashtag build it and they will. COME i just always felt,

1840
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: like you, know with success comes a lot of, attention you.

1841
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: Know and now you, know we have a, Sponsor peak

1842
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 2: is sponsoring, us we have you, know multiple sponsors on.

1843
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: Board you, know there's people that are trying to build you,

1844
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: know practice facility or. Stadium we're working on our first indoor,

1845
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: stadium you, know believe it or. Not not only are

1846
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: we number one In africa and we made it to

1847
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 2: The World cup and The, olympics but we don't have

1848
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: a single indoor.

1849
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 4: Court that's that's WHEN i saw that. Story that was.

1850
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 6: Crazy that's that's. Insane no indoor courts at, All, like that's. Crazy,

1851
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 6: Yeah i'm.

1852
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: Building we're building our first one now that hopefully will

1853
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: be done in a few months and that will be.

1854
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: Historic but you, know when you think about, it to

1855
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: be able to accomplish those things and you don't even have,

1856
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: that you, know so we haven't even scratched the. Service

1857
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: and this is Why i'm so excited about how fast

1858
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: this has, come because you, know it drew a lot

1859
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: of attention and we'll get you, know and it will

1860
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: bring a lot of. Help but it also for those

1861
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: who don't, believe because we've been saying it for years

1862
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: that the talent is. There you, know what's missing is

1863
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: just the you, know the resources and the. Facility now

1864
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: people can actually be, like, yeah actually it's. True look at.

1865
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: That you know, FAST i took over three and a half,

1866
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: years no, program no, federation no national. Team in three

1867
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: and a half, years you're playing the best team in

1868
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 2: the world in an exhibition game in the old Two

1869
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: arena with twenty two thousand and you almost.

1870
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: Win that's just, yeah hold your own in the pool

1871
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: round and go to the to the first. Round, like,

1872
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: hey that's big time.

1873
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Man, yeah now it really happened so. Fast But i'm

1874
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: so happy because it's What i've been, saying is what

1875
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 2: we've all been, saying that talent his dad is just the.

1876
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 1: Opportunity well you got another. Believer i'm believing in.

1877
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 4: Y'all. Guys, man And i'm rooting for. Y'all.

1878
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: Guy one of the other THINGS i want to touch on, this, like,

1879
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: man when me AND q got to the, league it

1880
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of veterans that embraced, us but one

1881
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: of the key veterans that embraced us that we always,

1882
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: loved always loved his, smiling the way he, was was

1883
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: the kenbab M. Tumbo like ever since we got into the,

1884
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: League richardson and he called You, mitchison and he called Me,

1885
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: Miles and he always showed us love no matter where

1886
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: we was or where we was. At always loved playing against. Him,

1887
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: yeah we met him before we even played a. Game

1888
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: always ran. That, yeah it was always been that with.

1889
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 4: Him with.

1890
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: US i just want to know he impacted our lives

1891
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: in so many way of just him being. HIM i

1892
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 1: just want to know how rip the ken bab M,

1893
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: tumble how he impacted your life and what he meant

1894
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: to you and your life and you coming.

1895
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Up, yeah, man you, KNOW i REALLY i really mean, This.

1896
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Matombo forget basketball for a. Second as a human, BEING

1897
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 2: i don't think there's anyone. Better and WHAT i mean

1898
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: by that is just his heart for what he wanted

1899
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 2: to do and to help people was bigger than anything

1900
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 2: else and nothing can change. That like you, know WHEN

1901
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: i say that the guy's building, hospital he's building, schools

1902
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: but he's spending hours and hours with you, know whether

1903
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 2: it's presidents or so, on flying from one place to,

1904
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: place all.

1905
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 5: For the sake of helping.

1906
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 2: People AND i always tell people this What africans are,

1907
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 2: today you, know The african, celebrities The african. Athletes, right

1908
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 2: there's a way that we carry ourselves and a big

1909
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: part of it is because the guy's Like matumble who

1910
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: came before. Us and WHY i say that is Because

1911
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 2: matumble was the one guy, who even if you want

1912
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: to crack jokes on, him he turned it into such

1913
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: a humble, way even whether you mean to be you,

1914
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 2: know rude or, whatever he took that and turned it

1915
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 2: into a joke where you even, felt you, know either

1916
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 2: embarrassed or he made everyone else around him or around

1917
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 2: you make you feel like the. Idiot and you, know

1918
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: whether it was you, know going to interviews and saying

1919
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 2: his whole name and embracing that culture and the way

1920
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 2: he talked with the accent and everything and, laughing that

1921
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: became who we are As.

1922
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 5: Africans you, know so the.

1923
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: Next time we Represented, africa we were so proud because you,

1924
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 2: Know Ma tumble embraced that with no, shyness with no holding,

1925
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 2: back you, know and now all of. Us anytime you

1926
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: see anyone From africa playing in THE, nba the first

1927
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: thing everyone asks is what are they doing back? Home you,

1928
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 2: know that's not. Normal people don't say that For european.

1929
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 2: Players people don't from people from you, Know asia Or South.

1930
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 2: America it's just as soon as you see An african,

1931
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 2: player you're, like, yo what is he doing back? Home

1932
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 2: now that's not you, know you don't have, to but

1933
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: we made it a thing where you, know you're expected

1934
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: to do. That that's because the guys like My, tumble

1935
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 2: because they just gave back. Automatically so everyone became you

1936
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: got to be in that category to be An african

1937
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: and that's you, know And i'm proud of that because

1938
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 2: now you, know any kid that comes up in the,

1939
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: league we look at them and we're, like, yo what

1940
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 2: are you doing back? Home you, know it's expected for

1941
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 2: you to. Help it's not it's not something that you

1942
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 2: don't have to do, it but this is who we are.

1943
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 4: Now you, know their hand, back the hand, back.

1944
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 2: Definitely and that's because of. Him he made it a cultural.

1945
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 4: Thing, nah The kenby was one of one bro one

1946
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 4: of one of my favorite people in the. WORLD i can't.

1947
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 5: Say you can't say The kenba without. Smiling, Man, Right

1948
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 5: you never met a single person or say anything bad

1949
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 5: about The, kenba not at.

1950
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 4: All so you had a lot of. Teammates you had

1951
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 4: a lot of.

1952
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Teammates you had a lot of guys that you played, with,

1953
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: teammates all of them in their. Prime if you had

1954
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 1: to make an ultimate five out of all the teammates

1955
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: you ever, had you had to pick four other guys

1956
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: to make your ultimate, five plus you who would beat?

1957
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:16,560
Speaker 4: Them four other, guys.

1958
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Four, teammates four, teammates everybody in the prime anywhere, anywhere any.

1959
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 4: Team play in the league that you to play.

1960
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 5: With, yeah my one would be D rose obviously most.

1961
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Definitely, uh the two would be D Wade, oh.

1962
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 5: Definitely D Wade. Oh at the three THAT i played.

1963
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 4: With you gotta, play you gotta put yourself. In so

1964
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 4: younn be the three out the.

1965
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 2: Four So i'll be the. Three i'll be the. Three

1966
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 2: that makes it a lot easier for. Me i'll be

1967
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: the three at the, FOUR i would Put Chris bosh

1968
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 2: right at the, four and at FIVE i would Put

1969
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 2: joe joking.

1970
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 4: Though, okay that's a nice that's a nice right. There

1971
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 4: that would be like that D rose ship.

1972
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 2: Boy but, LISTEN i, HOPE i hope some of my

1973
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 2: old teammates don't hit me up on. Man you, know

1974
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 2: if you if you let me pick, TEN i will

1975
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 2: put them. In that's What i'm.

1976
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 4: Like this is WHAT i want to. Know LIKE I

1977
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 4: dodnet heard you, humble you don't really do it like

1978
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 4: you did something at some. Point NOW i won't.

1979
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 6: KNOW i won't know when you got was it the early,

1980
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 6: bag was it the layed, bag whenever you got comfortable

1981
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 6: with your? BAGS i want to know something that leu

1982
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 6: Al dang did to celebrate. Yourself whether it was a,

1983
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 6: whip whether it was a nice, watch whether it was

1984
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 6: you know what it might have been one of. You you,

1985
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 6: know if it can't be something you did for your

1986
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 6: mom or your daddy or something you know give back

1987
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 6: To i'm talking about something you did for. Yourself you

1988
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 6: might look at it now like, man that don't make no,

1989
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 6: Sense but you enjoyed it when it.

1990
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Happened oh, man, HONESTLY i. DON'T i, don't you, KNOW i.

1991
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 5: CAN'T i don't.

1992
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: Have the one thing THAT i did was, like whether

1993
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: it's a, Car i'm not into, cars SO i never

1994
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 2: really like bought YOU i. HAD i had A range

1995
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 2: drover throughout my whole. Career you, KNOW i would swap it.

1996
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: WHATEVER i wasn't really into. CARS i wasn't into, jewelry you,

1997
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 2: KNOW i would, say, honestly the dumbest THING i did

1998
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 2: was literally just you, know get a bunch of my

1999
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: friends and every summer will go fly somewhere and just

2000
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 2: act stupid and you, know spend a lot of, money

2001
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 2: which you, know But i've never really, like LIKE i,

2002
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 2: SAID i spend a lot of money on, houses but

2003
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 2: that's all worked. Out But i've never really had the

2004
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 2: one thing That i'm kind of, like why DID i buy?

2005
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 6: That?

2006
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh, no that that definitely counts because you, know you

2007
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: do the friend, trip that'd be a thirty maybe a

2008
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars.

2009
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 4: Trip you got to get the hotail, rooms you got

2010
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 4: to get the, flights.

2011
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 6: The, food.

2012
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 4: All, yeah.

2013
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: You.

2014
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 4: Got you got dope memories out of. That they can't

2015
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 4: take them memories.

2016
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 6: Away you feel me so you know that that that's

2017
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 6: that's dope THOUGH i can and trust me what you're

2018
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 6: saying that could that could be pricey at.

2019
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 4: Times it could be pricey depending on where you're going

2020
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 4: accommendations and things like.

2021
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, no and definitely you don't want to take

2022
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 2: that away because it's so many. Memories, uh you, know

2023
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: when you look, back it's also just like we're talking

2024
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 2: about taking care of our. Body it's the other part

2025
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 2: that you you're just, like you know WHAT i WISH i.

2026
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: DID i WISH i would have did it a little.

2027
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 4: Different, yeah most.

2028
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: Definitely, WELL i just want to, say, bro, man we

2029
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: proud of you what you're doing, man how you're doing your.

2030
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Thing you ever need us knuckleheads to come around or.

2031
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: ANYTHING i definitely love a trip To. Africa but whatever you, need,

2032
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,600
Speaker 1: though bro on real talk, Man we're proud of you

2033
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: or what you're doing, man and how you're doing it your. Career,

2034
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: man we've been big fans of, it, man and we

2035
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you really rocking with.

2036
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 5: Us, noah thank you.

2037
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 4: Guys.

2038
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 2: Man, NOW i really appreciate shit you guys having me

2039
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 2: And i'll take here on. That D i really you,

2040
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 2: know we're stay in. Touch let's work something out for

2041
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 2: you guys to in the content and whether you know

2042
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 2: even now with b A l With Basketball Africa league

2043
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 2: and that's, growing you, know that's the perfect time to

2044
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: come and watch the finals and so. On but we'd

2045
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 2: love to have you there, Man and this is something

2046
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 2: they also want to, do especially with What i'm trying to.

2047
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 2: Build having guys like you guys come around and you,

2048
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 2: know give your experience.

2049
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 6: And what you know and so on and be a

2050
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 6: part of. It, man that would be. Dope whatever you need.

2051
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 6: It it's all, love, no, definitely hey, man it has

2052
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 6: been super.

2053
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 4: Dope.

2054
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,000
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2055
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2056
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:56,920
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2057
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