Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Hetty and what
Speaker 2: we know about this peace plan.
Speaker 3: It does not call for new weapons, inspectors, or sanctions
Speaker 3: on Iran. Instead, President Trump is saying that if they
Speaker 3: color outside the lines, he will just drop some bombs
Speaker 3: on their heads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna go through this report from Peter
Speaker 1: Doucy of Fox who lays out the mo OU, the
Speaker 1: memorandum of understanding that did come out yesterday. Nobody's denying
Speaker 1: on either side. I don't think that this is a
Speaker 1: an accurate version of the eight points or fourteen points
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. It's a very short and vague
Speaker 1: which I guess we'll get into the conversation about that
Speaker 1: a little bit, because Trump kind of says its self
Speaker 1: enforcing with common sense. But anyway, Peter Doocey goes on.
Speaker 3: And now the Boss has to sell this memorandum of
Speaker 3: understanding to a skeptical American public.
Speaker 2: Key points shared by the White House.
Speaker 3: The US will help develop quote at least three hundred
Speaker 3: billion dollars for the reconstruction and economic development of the
Speaker 3: Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America
Speaker 3: undertakes to make fully available for the use of frozen
Speaker 3: or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Speaker 4: The increasing it's an easy one to answer. We have
Speaker 4: taken a lot of their money, and we have their
Speaker 4: money we have taken to them, or is there our money,
Speaker 4: it's their money.
Speaker 1: The tone, the language on this and other clips you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Trump is all so conciliatory for somebody
Speaker 1: that in theory, you know, we've got our foot on
Speaker 1: their neck and forcing them to do something because we
Speaker 1: went to war with them and won. It doesn't sound like.
Speaker 5: That we're going to remove their civilization from the face
Speaker 5: of the Earth's side demand unconditional surrender. Now it's like
Speaker 5: we're best buddies and everything's fine. Yeah, and I could
Speaker 5: even I mean, look, if he believes this is the
Speaker 5: best deal for the country in the world, blah blah blah. Okay, great,
Speaker 5: but there would be an uneasy We're watching them every step.
Speaker 5: We are going to absolutely withhold any of the carrots
Speaker 5: until the terms of the deal are met.
Speaker 2: No it hasn't more of a feel of we're officially together.
Speaker 1: Or it was their money all along, so we took
Speaker 1: their money and we're holding it. So yeah, we're giving
Speaker 1: back their money.
Speaker 2: Anyway. It rolls on on a fourteen point plan. It's
Speaker 2: not until point number eight.
Speaker 3: But you find this, The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms
Speaker 3: that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: Bomb Iran if they don't comply.
Speaker 6: But there's nothing enforceable in the deal itself.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Does Yeah, so that's kind of self enforcing.
Speaker 1: Trump says, you don't need to write into the deal.
Speaker 1: You don't get a nuke, you don't try to buy
Speaker 1: a nuke, you don't work on getting a nuke, or
Speaker 1: will attack you because that's just understood.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's legit. Does that make sense to you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: or will drop a bomb on your head. But who
Speaker 2: believes he would?
Speaker 5: Well, if iron doesn't believe that, it doesn't matter who
Speaker 5: believes it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Irona believes it because I don't
Speaker 1: believe it. We're not going back to war.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were looking for a good, solid defense of
Speaker 5: this deal.
Speaker 2: I think I've found one.
Speaker 5: Well, it's from James Lindsay, who we like in respect
Speaker 5: around here.
Speaker 2: I'm brilliant, man. Do you want to hear that now?
Speaker 1: Well, let's get the rest of the Peter Deucy report
Speaker 1: and then we've got to comment from Trump and then
Speaker 1: we can hear somebody say something good about this.
Speaker 3: The president's perspective on ending the war, it was just time.
Speaker 7: The thing that's going to stop them from doing that,
Speaker 7: because you can't cover everything in a document, is common sense.
Speaker 7: They don't want to get bombed.
Speaker 2: They don't want to get hit.
Speaker 1: So that's the idea of the gentleman's agreement of they
Speaker 1: understand that if they try to get a weapon, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna go back to bombing them. Let's save
Speaker 1: the missiles conversation for a different time because it's a
Speaker 1: different topic. Give me General Jack Keene sixty one. Because
Speaker 1: I have been surprised at how negative on this deal.
Speaker 2: Fox has been way more.
Speaker 1: Than I've seen them do on anything with Trump through
Speaker 1: either term of various hosts and guests talking about Trump
Speaker 1: being wrong about something. But it's been endless on Fox
Speaker 1: around this deal. Including General Jack Keene usually supports what
Speaker 1: Trump does.
Speaker 8: There's a three hundred billion dollar investment fund. Who cares
Speaker 8: where the money comes from if it doesn't come from
Speaker 8: the United States. I get that, of course it shouldn't,
Speaker 8: but it shouldn't come from anybody. I mean, when we
Speaker 8: recovered Germany and Japan, the Nazis weren't in charge, the
Speaker 8: Japanese imperials weren't in charge. Here, the Runnians in charge.
Speaker 8: The killers and thugs are still in charge. They're going
Speaker 8: to take that money and recover everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it they get the money first, the straight opens,
Speaker 1: they get to start making money off oil revenue again,
Speaker 1: they get the investment money. And then in the future
Speaker 1: we're hoping they comply on this trying not to get
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: Why would you believe they're going to do that.
Speaker 1: They just survived our best shot and realized we don't
Speaker 1: have the stomach to go through with it.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, it all depends on if you believe clipt two.
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about regime change.
Speaker 7: Nobody will say that, but I guess that's the one
Speaker 7: instead of leaders is all gone, The second set of
Speaker 7: leaders is all gone. Yeah, third set of leaders a
Speaker 7: little bit gone, but for the most part, and Frankly,
Speaker 7: I think it's crishim change. I think they're going to
Speaker 7: behave much differently. I think they see a different way
Speaker 7: of life that they were never exposed to.
Speaker 1: You're right, that is the crux of the whole matter.
Speaker 1: Are these different people? Noah Roffman of the National Review,
Speaker 1: writing the notion that there can be a dependable gentleman's
Speaker 1: agreement with an Islamist terrorist organization constitutionally because this was
Speaker 1: the organizing principle constitutionally committed to America's destruction, is insulting.
Speaker 2: But the question is.
Speaker 1: Are these still hard core jiah hottists or is it
Speaker 1: like Trump said, no, we're down to like the third
Speaker 1: layer of leadership, and these people aren't hardcourjia hotists.
Speaker 5: I would suggest that even in the Quran, the idea
Speaker 5: is enshrined that, Look, if you've got to pretend to
Speaker 5: not be a hard core jiah hottiest to get Allah's
Speaker 5: will done, do that. Deny Islam all day long. If
Speaker 5: you want, pretend you don't believe, if that will get
Speaker 5: you passed your obstacle, do that.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they're doing. That's interesting because that's much
Speaker 2: different than.
Speaker 1: The way Christians have handled it for two thousand years,
Speaker 1: where many, many people, certainly in the early days of Christianity,
Speaker 1: went to their death rather than denounce Jesus. You go
Speaker 1: ahead and get your head cut off, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Interesting, So a handful more criticisms.
Speaker 5: Then we'll get to a couple of fairly robust defenses
Speaker 5: of the deal. Just a couple of headlines. This is
Speaker 5: from David Sanger. Trump's Trump demanded Around's unconditional surrender. He
Speaker 5: got a surprise instead. New York Times. Iran gets major
Speaker 5: economic lifeline for minimal concession concessions an initial deal. New
Speaker 5: York Posts. That's the headline is buried.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: Trump blasts critics of Isran plan as fools.
Speaker 2: Where's the quote?
Speaker 5: Blasted critics of the Ran deal as fools for not
Speaker 5: thinking he was tough on Tehran, describing them as either jealous,
Speaker 5: bad people or stupid?
Speaker 2: Which am I? Since I think this is a bad deal?
Speaker 2: Am I jealous? A bad person? Or stupid? Probably stupid.
Speaker 2: We'll take emails on that top.
Speaker 5: These fools who think I haven't been tough enough on
Speaker 5: Iran when the stock market just hit a record high
Speaker 5: and oil prices are tumbling down, are either jealous, bad people,
Speaker 5: or stupid, He wrote.
Speaker 1: He does everything on whether the stock market went up
Speaker 1: or down.
Speaker 5: Let's see from the New York Post, Trump's Iran deal
Speaker 5: secrecy was atrocious, and Vance's dodging made it worse.
Speaker 2: Here I got one positive thing to say.
Speaker 1: It's possible, and I wish he would say this out
Speaker 1: loud if it's the case. Maybe he feels I could
Speaker 1: be political suicide. But what if this is the case.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out like I thought it would. But look,
Speaker 1: in reality and life, you have to go with reality now.
Speaker 1: And reality now is this is the best thing to do.
Speaker 1: Things didn't turn out the way I thought they would.
Speaker 1: We were wrong, We made a guess. Didn't happen, They
Speaker 1: didn't fall, people didn't rise up, regime didn't quit, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But starting today, with the facts on the ground,
Speaker 1: if you landed from Mars today and looked at the
Speaker 1: facts on the ground, this is the best thing to
Speaker 1: do going forward. It's like a going to consolidate our gains.
Speaker 1: It's like a sunk cost principle.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, not going to throw good money and lives
Speaker 2: after bad.
Speaker 1: But have you already spent two million dollars on building
Speaker 1: this house. It doesn't matter. It turns out this is
Speaker 1: a bad idea. We need to start from today. What's
Speaker 1: the best thing going forward?
Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: The sunk cost principle is so clearly true intellectually, but
Speaker 1: very difficult emotionally with anything in life, whether it's relationships, kids, jobs,
Speaker 1: construction projects, investments, whatever it is. If you put a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of effort and time and cost and blood,
Speaker 1: sweat and tears into something, you feel like you got
Speaker 1: to move forward on that project sometimes looking I can't
Speaker 1: abandon that now, Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So JD Vance's political career is swirling the drain. In
Speaker 5: my opinion, we can get to that. I don't want
Speaker 5: to rush through the defense of the deal from the
Speaker 5: fabulous James lindsay, So, why don't we take a break
Speaker 5: and come back and take a look at that, because,
Speaker 5: believe it or not, around.
Speaker 1: Here, we just want to know it's true, and often
Speaker 1: you have to look at both sides. I'd be happy
Speaker 1: to be wrong. I'd rather be wrong than right about this.
Speaker 1: That this turns out it's a good deal, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: It'd be fantastic. I don't think it is stay tuned.
Speaker 6: My problem with some of the people who have come
Speaker 6: out against this is there's with this argument that this
Speaker 6: isn't America first. Yeah, it really is America first. Every
Speaker 6: single president has said we have we have to fix
Speaker 6: this problem. But he tried to fix the problem. Everybody
Speaker 6: has tried to fix the problem. He tried a new approach. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he may have kicked it down the road longer
Speaker 6: than everybody else, but we're still having to deal with
Speaker 6: the problem. But what's not America first is getting us
Speaker 6: bogged down into another war in the Middle East with
Speaker 6: troops on the ground.
Speaker 1: So that's Glenn Beck on Mark Alprin's show yesterday afternoon
Speaker 1: making the argument that you know, we kicked the can
Speaker 1: further down the road with a new approach, so have
Speaker 1: an optimistic view of this.
Speaker 5: And we don't want to get bogged down into endless
Speaker 5: two and a half month wars that were only like
Speaker 5: four weeks of three weeks of fighting. See that whole
Speaker 5: endless wars bogged down in wars thing you gotta have
Speaker 5: like a long war or get bogged down to throw
Speaker 5: that around. But anyway, this is the defense of the
Speaker 5: Deal segment. James Lindsay, friend of the Armstrong Getty Show.
Speaker 5: We're big fans partly because James does not give a
Speaker 5: crap what he's supposed to think. He thinks independently, which
Speaker 5: is how he launched his anti woke crusade. Brilliant anti
Speaker 5: woke crusade from Portland.
Speaker 1: He might be the most independent I say whatever I
Speaker 1: think guy on Earth. Yeah, love Jack, You love to
Speaker 1: know what his model is for making a living, how
Speaker 1: he makes money and how you Anyway, he angers everyone
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does, so. He writes my logic here.
Speaker 5: All starts with this seemingly rogue comments with his trump
Speaker 5: seemingly rogue comments about around keeping rockets and missiles, which
Speaker 5: has freaked out many, particularly Israelis and their supporters.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 5: You mentioned that as well, very generous. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: you get to keep building rockets. Everybody has rockets.
Speaker 9: It's fine.
Speaker 5: I'm betting the Gulf States are really uncomfortable like israel
Speaker 5: Is with that statement. They're not stupid, They're also targets
Speaker 5: like Israel is less, but a lot in the IRGC
Speaker 5: or crazy bastards makes me think Trump made it for them.
Speaker 5: The thing is they didn't do their parts and aren't yet,
Speaker 5: and yet Trump's definitely pissed at them because they straight
Speaker 5: up didn't help during the war so far. They wouldn't
Speaker 5: even let us use their airspace and try to close
Speaker 5: down our military basis.
Speaker 2: That's true in.
Speaker 5: A couple of cases, definitely not true in a couple
Speaker 5: more cases, but we'll go on. Trump didn't like that,
Speaker 5: and he didn't forget no way, So Trump letting them
Speaker 5: feel some legitimate heat that can be resolved by accomplishing
Speaker 5: his primary goals makes a lot of basic sense. If
Speaker 5: we remember Trump's goals and work backwards, it's actually a
Speaker 5: little easier to see how this makes sense, even though
Speaker 5: the MoU with its big carrot big stick arrangement that
Speaker 5: basically nobody believes will stick, thus terrifying Israel. But I'll
Speaker 5: bet also those Gulf states. So what are Trump's goals?
Speaker 5: One expand the Abraham Accords two KSA alliging formally with Israel,
Speaker 5: which was happening until October seventh disrupted it. Thus restoring
Speaker 5: a pre ten to seven piece agenda. Does he ksa
Speaker 5: which one is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway one of.
Speaker 5: The major leaders in the Middle East, I guess three
Speaker 5: increase their overall security dependence on the US and Israel,
Speaker 5: thus shifting some of their hand in the region to US,
Speaker 5: and for standard trump Ism one to one, make them
Speaker 5: active participants in their own security arrangements, just like what
Speaker 5: he's doing with the EU and Pacific countries. No more
Speaker 5: America carrying all the weight. The MoU itself creates conditions
Speaker 5: by which Iran becomes agentic in this. If they behave
Speaker 5: and they won't, they get rewarded, which they actually want bigley.
Speaker 5: If they misuse that, and everybody expects they will, they
Speaker 5: will get a well deserved stick. Everyone in the region
Speaker 5: feels this fear and is vigilant about it. Essentially, he
Speaker 5: says it's a very high risk, but it's a very
Speaker 5: high stakes game. Heighst in decades that Trump is saying
Speaker 5: to the Gulf States, Okay, you.
Speaker 2: Didn't help us.
Speaker 5: We're going to stop then, and we're going to see
Speaker 5: what happens next. And Iran is really really pissed at you.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 5: So let's see if they behave. If you don't think
Speaker 5: they do, maybe you ought to reconsider how much you
Speaker 5: help us.
Speaker 1: So Ksa is the actual leader of Saudi Arabia, I
Speaker 1: don't know why he goes with that guy since everybody
Speaker 1: knows he's not actually in charge it to his son MBS.
Speaker 2: But so I'm trying to follow this.
Speaker 1: So Trump says, you wouldn't let us fly over your airspace,
Speaker 1: you didn't join in help us everything like that, So
Speaker 1: screw you.
Speaker 2: Ran gets rockets and that helps us out.
Speaker 5: Well because it will terrify everybody else into joining together
Speaker 5: with Israel in a brand new Abraham Affords with the
Speaker 5: US unity. Wow, it's a version of what's going on
Speaker 5: in Europe where and they doubled down on this recently,
Speaker 5: And I like half the strategy of saying, look, you
Speaker 5: got to pay your fair share to NATO or we're
Speaker 5: out as a way to strengthen the alliance.
Speaker 2: But this case would be like we're actually I see
Speaker 2: you with putin to strengthen NATO.
Speaker 1: But in this case would be like we're actually helping
Speaker 1: arm Russia to make the thread even worse so that
Speaker 1: NATO will come around. I mean because we're helping Iran
Speaker 1: rearm telling me, yeah, you can have rockets to try
Speaker 1: to get our allies on board.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting plan. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The comments are really really interesting, some skeptical, some encouraging.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break for this for a while because
Speaker 1: I know it's not for everybody, But we have to
Speaker 1: play the clip of Trump later explaining the whole rockets thing,
Speaker 1: because that's really interesting. Iran gets rockets. All the other
Speaker 1: countries have rockets. Why doesn't Iran get rockets? Well, the
Speaker 1: same reason a criminal doesn't get a gun but a
Speaker 1: law abiding citizen does. The other countries aren't firing off
Speaker 1: rockets all the time.
Speaker 5: JB comments, people need to f out, have some patience.
Speaker 5: Let the team trump cook. And another guy says, I've
Speaker 5: said the three dimensional chess things so many times.
Speaker 2: Never again, ha gone. Oh boy, we got a lot
Speaker 2: more other stuff on the way. If you miss a
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Speaker 9: And guy comes out and says, dude, buffets here, he
Speaker 9: wants to meet you.
Speaker 8: I'm like, that's big money.
Speaker 2: Like I am way too amorated to say a lot
Speaker 2: to this guy.
Speaker 9: I started talking to finances meet Buffett out shake his hand,
Speaker 9: and man, we have the best conversation I've.
Speaker 6: Ever had in my life.
Speaker 7: The man is literally smiling from the ear to hear.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm gonna be rich here soon. You're gonna
Speaker 2: Baker in the Vine investments.
Speaker 9: And he starts telling a story in high school when
Speaker 9: he he picked up the guitar for the first time,
Speaker 9: and I was like, no, wait or Buffet played the
Speaker 9: guitar and then got tapped on the shoulder because he
Speaker 9: had to go sing Margueritaville.
Speaker 1: That's a well told story. That's Travis kelcey football player.
Speaker 1: That was well constructed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Have you got a chance to listen to the Kelsey
Speaker 5: Brothers podcast. I highly haven't other than clips i've heard,
Speaker 5: but yeah, they're both terrific communicators.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So so Travis Kelsey. He was super hammered drunk. Somebody
Speaker 1: told him Buffett is here. He thought he was going
Speaker 1: to go talk to Warren Buffett, the finance financier, uh,
Speaker 1: one of the World Church's men.
Speaker 2: But it was Jimmy Buffett, who was also quite the businessman.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, it's pretty funny
Speaker 5: that is not a dumb football player there.
Speaker 1: Uh, he is going to make a ton of money
Speaker 1: in the announcing world. Then when his career is over,
Speaker 1: if he wants to. Of course, he's marrying Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't really need to make a living, right,
Speaker 1: depending on you know, what their agreement looks like. The
Speaker 1: amount of travel in the sportscaster businesses is underappreciated.
Speaker 5: I think I had uneasy life. You make, you make
Speaker 5: good money, but it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who was a sportscaster, and I
Speaker 1: had never realized or thought about it before, but it is.
Speaker 1: That's a brutal for nine months of the year. Is
Speaker 1: this I don't know if this is the same data
Speaker 1: you were working off yesterday, and I didn't have much
Speaker 1: to say about it for whatever reason, But looking at
Speaker 1: it today, it's really striking me as interesting. The opinion
Speaker 1: piece a guest essay in the New York Times. We
Speaker 1: liked remote work. Then we looked at the data.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Four, nearly eighty percent of workers said they would be
Speaker 1: happiest if they could work remotely. Then it turned out
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of us miserable. And some of
Speaker 1: the information around that is amazing. People in remote work
Speaker 1: jobs who work from home three times more likely to
Speaker 1: have mental health.
Speaker 2: Issues at people who don't.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now that it'd be this sort of person that
Speaker 1: decides to work remotely has mental health problems so doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be in the workplace around other people. It
Speaker 1: could be like a self selecting sort of thing there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would tend to think not though, because we humans,
Speaker 5: and if an introvert like me is absolutely certain of this,
Speaker 5: it's probably true. We humans are a social beast. We're
Speaker 5: meant to interact with each other a lot, and there's
Speaker 5: a real risk of isolation working remotely, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This person writing this essay did remote work and then
Speaker 1: wrote this piece saying, we started to wonder whether we,
Speaker 1: along with roughly thirty five million other Americans who worked
Speaker 1: from home, had stepped into an enormous social experiment. Was
Speaker 1: remote work as liberating as it felt. We searched for
Speaker 1: answers in the data and came up with the uncomfortable truth.
Speaker 1: Despite its advantages, remote work has significantly deepened America's isolation
Speaker 1: and distress, which we already had a big problem with
Speaker 1: going into. As we know the famous book Bowling Alone,
Speaker 1: which was written I think in the nineties, you know,
Speaker 1: is indicating way back then that we are all hanging
Speaker 1: out by ourself and bowling alone means we're not joining
Speaker 1: bowling leagues or anything else.
Speaker 2: Really, we're staying home by ourselves.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Speaking of which, there's a new study out Harvard. You
Speaker 5: know what it should be known for, not scholarship, mental illness.
Speaker 5: More on that to come. Harvard University might be the
Speaker 5: craziest place in America.
Speaker 2: More on that coming up.
Speaker 1: Remote work explains a third of the deterioration and mental
Speaker 1: health over the last fifteen years. This research says a
Speaker 1: third of the mental health deterioration is because of remote work.
Speaker 5: I wonder, I wonder. Let me bottom line it for you.
Speaker 5: Like virtually everything in human experience, going into the office,
Speaker 5: it's a pain in the ass, in a hassle for
Speaker 5: all the reasons everybody knows. But we were getting some
Speaker 5: thing from it that we probably didn't fully appreciate. Working
Speaker 5: remotely gives us some good stuff, no doubt, But we're
Speaker 5: missing out on things we didn't really realize we would
Speaker 5: miss out on.
Speaker 1: So h I'm a missing throat. But and I went
Speaker 1: into We kept working throughout COVID and going into work and.
Speaker 2: Because we're so brave.
Speaker 1: Yes, well no, partly because I'd rather be at the
Speaker 1: workplace than alone in my bedroom doing you know the
Speaker 1: show from home. Eighty four percent of remote workers spend
Speaker 1: their workday entirely alone. You go into the workplace, there's
Speaker 1: almost zero chance you spend your work day entirely alone.
Speaker 1: So we go from zero workers to eighty four percent
Speaker 1: of workers. If you go from at work to at home.
Speaker 1: That's quite a difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've worked remotely a lot and I like it,
Speaker 5: but there's absolutely a downside. But our job is like
Speaker 5: constant interaction. Maybe not necessarily in the same room when
Speaker 5: one of us is remote, but it's constant interaction. If
Speaker 5: I'm typing into a computer, crunching numbers or sending emails
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing, I could see it being like, really,
Speaker 5: it could really make you weird.
Speaker 1: Right, And if you're a certain sort of personality, and
Speaker 1: I'm one of them, probably going into a workplace forces
Speaker 1: me to interact with people. I'm not going to seek
Speaker 1: it out on my own otherwise, is what it says here.
Speaker 1: These workers who worked entirely alone remotely did not compensate
Speaker 1: by socializing more outside of work.
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't either.
Speaker 1: More days passed with zero social contact of any kind.
Speaker 1: I could easily see that happening to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got kids, so I got that going on, and
Speaker 1: that drags me out of the house. But if I
Speaker 1: didn't have kids and I worked from home, I could
Speaker 1: easily see many days going by where I didn't interact
Speaker 1: with another human being.
Speaker 2: You'd be effortless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no hello from an officemate, no idle chit chat
Speaker 1: with a barista, no nod to a fellow commuter. These
Speaker 1: lost interactions are not trivial. In one study, when commuters
Speaker 1: were instructed to connect with strangers near them, they reported
Speaker 1: being happier than those who continued in silence.
Speaker 2: As usual, much to their own surprise.
Speaker 1: We are as you started with, We're built for social interaction,
Speaker 1: all right, Wow, how much of our mental health problem
Speaker 1: is even before the pandemic, the trend toward working from home,
Speaker 1: and then you know, it really exploded. I was trying
Speaker 1: to find the quote from Thomas Jefferson. I read it
Speaker 1: as a teenager, and it it's so echoed who I
Speaker 1: am that I thought, oh my god, that's right.
Speaker 2: Was the quote?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: I'm glad I don't have to pick that cotton myself.
Speaker 5: You are such an a hole as we approach our
Speaker 5: nation's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, and you know better,
Speaker 5: you know better than to go there now.
Speaker 2: He talked about that that is trolling, is what that is?
Speaker 2: That is just some fairly effective trolling.
Speaker 5: Yes, Uh, his histro he realized his inclination was toward
Speaker 5: uh isolation.
Speaker 2: He was an introvert, very much an introvert.
Speaker 5: He was known just as an aside as the silent
Speaker 5: member of the Continental Congress. He almost never spoke in
Speaker 5: front of the crowd. He was so introverted and and
Speaker 5: being in crowds so drained him. He would much rather
Speaker 5: write letters or write at home and think and read
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. He was fine one on one,
Speaker 5: but you hated across anyway.
Speaker 2: He said his.
Speaker 5: Natural inclination was toward isolation. But he realized if he
Speaker 5: indulged that it made him weird and angry. So he
Speaker 5: forced himself to seek the company of others at regular
Speaker 5: intervals to keep himself from you being what's that, what's
Speaker 5: the what's the term? You're too you you fall into yourself.
Speaker 1: God, I'll have to all have have to work on
Speaker 1: that someday in retirement. If my kids are out of
Speaker 1: the house and I'm retired, I could see months going by.
Speaker 1: How many years has it been since I interacted with
Speaker 1: another human? I might think to myself, Surely I did
Speaker 1: last year, didn't I?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Maybe not saying yes when they ask you, did you
Speaker 5: find everything okay?
Speaker 2: At the grocery store? Is not interacting the door dash.
Speaker 1: Man, that's not interactions. Interact by door dash dah.
Speaker 2: He's at the door. Hide, be quiet, be quiet, Just
Speaker 2: don't let them know we're home. Son.
Speaker 1: The pain was not evenly shared here, it says here
Speaker 1: people who lived with their spouse and kids. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: my point about kids saw their mental health hold fairly
Speaker 1: steady because you're interacting with, you know, other people there,
Speaker 1: while those who lived alone experienced a twenty percent decrease
Speaker 1: in mental well being. Twenty percent's a lot, nikes, A
Speaker 1: little more on that after this.
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Speaker 1: Boy, this is interesting and I'll just hit you with this.
Speaker 1: This is something to watch out for if you work
Speaker 1: remote or you end up working remote because of AI
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: So why do so many people like remote work.
Speaker 1: Even saying they would accept pay cuts of between four
Speaker 1: and ten percent depending on the poll, for the opportunity
Speaker 1: to work at home, Like, why did we desire it
Speaker 1: so much if it makes us miserable? One reason is
Speaker 1: that remotes work costs are subtle and slow. When loneliness
Speaker 1: sets in gradually, it is natural to blame other life
Speaker 1: changes rather than the remote work. Well, I've got a
Speaker 1: new job, or I had a breakup or a fight
Speaker 1: with a friend, or I'm getting older, or whatever reason
Speaker 1: you come up with for kind of feeling off, and
Speaker 1: you don't point to the remote work.
Speaker 2: Yeah I could.
Speaker 1: I could believe that because we have the assumption that
Speaker 1: obviously this is making me happier. I don't have to
Speaker 1: go to work every day, I don't have to fight traffic,
Speaker 1: I don't have to put on a bra. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many women I've heard say I haven't
Speaker 1: put on a bra in two weeks, you know, because
Speaker 1: of working at home. Yes, freedom interesting, that's something that
Speaker 1: could be really stering us in the face. If you're
Speaker 1: not working remotely, you're living off.
Speaker 5: DeLine interaction universal base makes you crazy on its own.
Speaker 1: When when AI takes all these jobs and you know
Speaker 1: you're living off universal basic income. As it says here,
Speaker 1: the remote work didn't cause people to use that time
Speaker 1: to go out and interact socially.
Speaker 2: Nope, we didn't.
Speaker 1: So the universal basic income if that occurs because of AI,
Speaker 1: according to this experience, people aren't going to substitute it
Speaker 1: with other social interactions. They're just going to be alone
Speaker 1: all the time. That'll really exacerbate our mental health problem.
Speaker 1: I hope I live long enough to watch this. It's
Speaker 1: going to be depressing, but it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The more I think about this, the more mind blowing
Speaker 5: it is that human society was designed in such a way,
Speaker 5: maybe accidentally or maybe it was design. And the way
Speaker 5: it was designed because it had to be farmers bringing
Speaker 5: their crops and shopkeepers doing this and you know trade's
Speaker 5: been you know, having people there in the leather store
Speaker 5: or whatever, and that was the reality for so very long.
Speaker 5: The human psyche depends on it. We need it, We're
Speaker 5: built for it. And that's for the millionth time. The
Speaker 5: amount of change is dizzying, The pace of change is toxic.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, we can take it as a species.
Speaker 5: Got how much craziest people on Earth? The Ivy League
Speaker 5: stay with us?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's do that next, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: other stuff, So stay here. Javin Newsom and his wife
Speaker 1: might actually be in trouble. They may They might be
Speaker 1: pretty nervous right now, these investigations into their finances. We
Speaker 1: can get into that a little bit in hour three.
Speaker 5: Well, I saw it charted out for me. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: ought to be worried about it. We will definitely delve
Speaker 5: into that hour three. I've got a gender bending madness
Speaker 5: update to squeeze in before the end of the show.
Speaker 5: And Michael, I don't remember did metal guy do a
Speaker 5: Seattle isst crumbling for us? It's too bad, because we've
Speaker 5: got a great seattlest crumbling update. Their woman child communist
Speaker 5: mayor is well.
Speaker 2: She's doing what of course she's doing.
Speaker 1: She's ruining the city as our socialists everywhere.
Speaker 2: Socialism sucks and it.
Speaker 5: Never works, or on that to come. Oh and including
Speaker 5: the fact that you know the woman child in Seattle
Speaker 5: who's mommy and daddy pay for like a good deal
Speaker 5: of their their expenses, her and her husband and and
Speaker 5: like I can't remember the full involvement of it, but
Speaker 5: she still gets an allowance from her parents and all,
Speaker 5: and she wants to be the major of a big
Speaker 5: mayor of big city. Oh yeah, she's still on mom
Speaker 5: and dad's payroll, and not just the cell phone plan.
Speaker 2: Everybody is.
Speaker 5: But seriously, yeah, they like pay for her expensive expenses.
Speaker 5: She is a child who preaches the naive politics of
Speaker 5: children and got elected for it, just like Mamdannie, who
Speaker 5: is no child. Mamdannie is in his lomist mastermind, but
Speaker 5: just found out. James Tallerico, the rock star Democrat in Texas,
Speaker 5: the woke guy who's hoping to win back a Senate
Speaker 5: set for Democrats. He has one checking account that he
Speaker 5: shares with his mommy. He's still on his mom's checking account.
Speaker 5: And you know, as much as I would just like
Speaker 5: to mock these people, and I have a feeling we will.
Speaker 5: That is absolutely it absolutely fits with the idea of
Speaker 5: permanent dependence on mom and dad and on the government.
Speaker 5: Nobody should be in dependent and captain of their own
Speaker 5: ship and go out into the world and achieve what
Speaker 5: they can and have ups and downs, but own what
Speaker 5: they got at the end. Now, everyone should be dependent,
Speaker 5: and it's too much to ask to go get a job,
Speaker 5: and that's be on my own, I know, isn't It's
Speaker 5: it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, in Mamdanie, he never really had a job. He
Speaker 1: was on mom and dad's payroll the whole time.
Speaker 5: Anyway, speaking of being on the payroll, I don't want
Speaker 5: to belabor this because we've been over it more than once,
Speaker 5: but it's striking. Harvard students are twice as mentally ills
Speaker 5: as the general population. The entire IVY League is part
Speaker 5: of an emerging mental health political identity crisis. Forty seven
Speaker 5: percent of surveyed seniors indicate that they experienced mental illness
Speaker 5: at some point in their time at Harvard. Thirteen percent
Speaker 5: said maybe, So that takes you to sixty percent, more
Speaker 5: than double the rate of the general US population.
Speaker 2: We will concede for the sake of the argument that.
Speaker 5: The overly online smartphone world that we have injected our
Speaker 5: children into is terrible for them, and there is some
Speaker 5: legitimate cause here that the world around them has made
Speaker 5: them crazier than they would have been otherwise. There's also
Speaker 5: the narcissism of small distinctions. If you can say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've got for instance, terrible anxiety or whatever. People care
Speaker 5: about that. You get attention, you get a hug, whatever.
Speaker 5: And there's plenty of anxiety and depression that's real as well.
Speaker 5: There are all sorts of different things going on here.
Speaker 5: And I'll just throw in real quickly. Yale's numbers are astounding,
Speaker 5: Princeton's numbers are horrifying, and they go into a bunch
Speaker 5: of the different schools.
Speaker 2: They're all just over, just off the charts.
Speaker 1: Well, you also have to picture, as we have learned
Speaker 1: over the years, First of all, the whole college ratings
Speaker 1: thing is complete BS, and then the how you get
Speaker 1: into colleges is complete BS. So it's all about the
Speaker 1: kind of parents who jump through the hoops to get
Speaker 1: their kids to go to these colleges. Well, picture those
Speaker 1: kind of parents. Are they gonna have kids who check
Speaker 1: the box for mental illness?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Them and their parents? Right?
Speaker 5: And the other thing going on We've talked about this,
Speaker 5: and I find it fascinating, particularly in terms of young women,
Speaker 5: is that the very philosophy progressivism makes you miserable because
Speaker 5: you are always, you know, boiling in the stew of
Speaker 5: oppression and wrongdoing and racism and misogyny and Islamophobia and
Speaker 5: everyone's a victim and the evil doers are oppressing us.
Speaker 5: If you obsessed with that all day long, of course
Speaker 5: you're going to be miserable. And there's a new paper
Speaker 5: out by a professor at Utah State, just a little melancholic,
Speaker 5: maybe a little blue. Mental health is an Emerging political Identity,
Speaker 5: just published a couple months ago, describing what the professor
Speaker 5: called an emerging mental health political identity that is most
Speaker 5: pronounced among younger gen z and more liberal Americans. We
Speaker 5: can get more into that set of ideas coming up
Speaker 5: as well. We got a lot to squeeze in today.
Speaker 1: Are we gonna see Gavin Newsom's wife in shackles shuffling
Speaker 1: her way in an orange jumpsuit into the back of
Speaker 1: a van.
Speaker 6: What the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: I certainly hope so.
Speaker 5: Plus Jade Vance's political career is dying in my opinion,
Speaker 5: Oh so much.
Speaker 2: To squeeze him.
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