1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jimmy Rowlands. Welcome to the Phimmy. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: But tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury Todd's like a happy Holidays everybody. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: It's Friday, December twenty sixth, twenty twenty five, and The 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: Philly Show has a special holiday gift for all of you. 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Jim Rubin and I caught up earlier this week spent 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: some time with Jimmy Rounds, and it was so good. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: It was so good we decided to do something that 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: we've never done before. We're gonna spread the holiday cheer 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: and make this a two part episode. So this is 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: part one of our interview with Jimmy Rounds. Jimmy talks 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: a lot about his chances of making the Hall of Fame, 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: what made him such an elite defender at Shortstop, and 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: his development as a hitter over the years, and as always, 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: if you know Jimmy, a ton of fantastic insight on 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: all of those topics. Part two is gonna come out 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: next week. He talks about the twenty twenty six Phillies. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: Jim and I share some stories about why we loved 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: covering Jimmy so much, a lot of laughs in Part two, 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: and we finished by talking about what Jimmy is up 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: to off the field. That's six p'in one one podcast 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: with Ryan Howard and Jimmy has a few surprises, a 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: few surprises of what he is up to in the 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: business world right now, but right now Part one with 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Jimmy Rowlinds. Don't forget if you're watching this on YouTube, 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 2: we hit the subscribe button and help support the show 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: by going to the Phillies Show shop dot com. Here 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: we go, everybody, Part one of our interview with Jimmy Rollins, 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: Jay Rowl Welcome to the Phillies Show. 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, likewise, thanks for having me. Glad to be 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: here with a couple old buddies. 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this is so good. We're really excited. We've 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: been looking forward to this for a while. And you know, 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: there's holidays right now, you got Christmas, you got New 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: Year's and uh, you know for you'll also have like 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: the Baseball Writers Hall of Fame ballots are due in 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, and I'm wondering, does this 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: change this month for you? Do you start looking on 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: the internet to see who's you know? How are you 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: feeling about the Hall of Fame and. 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: All that no. Actually, this I can honestly say this 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: might be the first year that I didn't even think 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: about it. And I say that as in, like, I 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: think I've just been so busy, you know, before we 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: came on, I was just talking about the number of 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: We've had two deaths and a birthday and it's all 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: happened within the last month. And and maybe that's a 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: good thing in a sense that it's taking my mind 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: off of licking or am I going to get a 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: call like hey, you're trending a certain way? So I 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: haven't really had much time to think about it. To 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: be honest, in the past years, I would say I 52 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: would get a little bit nervous, like, man, you know 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: what's going to be Like, Okay, I'm not going to 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: get in this shit, but what are my numbers gonna 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: look like when they announce it. That has been a 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: case this year, and it's I guess it's been a 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: relief in a sense of not having to worry about 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: that because I've been so busy doing so many other things. 59 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: I mean, certainly, you know, all three of us have 60 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: said on this show many times, we think we think 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: you're a Hall of Famer. 62 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I was just looking at Jason Storry. 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to like embarrass you or anything like that, 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: but Jason Stark had these great numbers. I just want 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: to read a couple of them for you. 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: And why I think so. 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Jimmy Rownd, Derek Jeter, cal Rick and the only shortstops 68 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: in baseball history at least two hundred homers, twenty four 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: hundred hits, eight hundred and fifty seven extra base hits 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: are more than any other shortstop in history not named Derek, 71 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: Jeter or cal Ripkin nine straight seasons or at least 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: fifty extra base hits and or nine Street nine seasons 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: with at least fifty extra base hits and thirty steals, 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: more seasons than any shortstop who's ever lived. Only shortstop ever, 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: two hundred homers, four hundred stolen bases, MVP franchise hit later. 76 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: You know, go Glover. 77 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: You know, and I've said this too before, Jimmy, Like, 78 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the way you played shortstop. Now, like 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: once you're you know, I'm like, god, man, it was 80 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: like an event when Jimmy made an error an right, 81 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 2: what happened on that play? 82 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: Dude? 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Like yeah, what what in the world happened. 84 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: You don't do that. I was. I was taught early 85 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: by John Vukevich. She was a great mentor of mine, 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: a man that I think we all love. You either 87 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: love him hate him. He was one of those guys 88 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: there was no middle ground. You love Vuk or you 89 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: hated Vuk. And we had run ins early. We got 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: all that out the way, but man, he drilled me 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: and drilled me along with Larry Boa, on making the play, 92 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: making the routine play. And he would tell me, your 93 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: athleticism will help you make the great plays, but your 94 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: job is to when that ball is hit to you 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: and it's two outs, the picture should be walking off 96 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: the mound. And that was always my mentality, where it 97 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: was no outs went out, two outs, hit it to 98 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: me and it's over. So when I did making air, 99 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: very few were feeling. I think maybe it would come 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: from throwing, like just dropping arm angles, you know, getting 101 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: a two semier having it run. I felt like, man, 102 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: I didn't do my job, and it was almost get 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the next ball hit to me mentality, so I can 104 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: make up for it. And there's no way to make 105 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: up for it unless it's like on one more pitch, 106 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: like if I make an Era Era and it's two 107 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: whiles and it's ten more pitches, I cost this pitcher 108 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: probably in an and that's how I felt. So there 109 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of pride that went to my defense. 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: I was always a defensive player. First. I loved the offense, 111 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I love 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: getting on base, stilling and being exciting in that essence, 113 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: but I loved playing defense. There was never a day 114 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: I wasn't out there taking ground balls, working on my 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: craft to make sure that I felt confident going to 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: the game. I knew I could catch the ball, but 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: I want to have that confidence that I made every 118 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: single play that could possibly happen before the game started 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: so when it happened, and always I wanted to look 120 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: like magic, Like you know, I missed twenty before I 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: called the one and learned how to do it the 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: first time, then a second time, then over again. So 123 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: it was always a thing for me to go out 124 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: there put in a work so defense look effortless and magical. 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: It's funny you're talking about We talk about your defense 126 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: a lot on this show because I loved watching you 127 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: play defense. I was always amazed at how you mentioned 128 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: sometimes you get down and to seem it, but your 129 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: release point was incredibly consistent. It was always boom boom, 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 4: and it came across that diamond with a lot of force. 131 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 4: I remember your first spring training, Big League spring training 132 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 4: at Jack Russell Stadium. 133 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: You were an invite. Jess Relford was the start shortstop. 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: And you were there a couple of days and you're 135 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 4: working your magic in the infield and DESI comes up 136 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: to me and goes, this cat can play. And but Nan, 137 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: people don't realize you used to get on the mom 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: in high school and bring it at ninety four closing 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: out games, right. 140 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: I mean that arm strength was real. 141 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. It was something that I give a lot of 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: credits to my father, although he wasn't a baseball player. 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: And it's funny, you know, just having all these funerals, 144 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: you start getting the stories about your parents and aunts 145 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: and uncles. But my dad always said he played a 146 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: little bit of baseball. He actually played a lot more 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: than he let on. And this comes from people like 148 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: now we're around the Rollins's, the homes and all these people, 149 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: we played baseball all the time. I'm like, my dad said, 150 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: he played wine game, got hit in the shin and 151 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: walked off the field. It's like, no, your dad was 152 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: out there every weekend. He tried to play. He wasn't 153 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: very good, but he was out there. So he had 154 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: the foresight. When I was twelve years old, we would 155 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: go over to Lanty College where he went to school, 156 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: ran track there, and at twelve, he already had me 157 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: throwing off the sixty foot mound to get my arm strength, 158 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: arm strength better for the forty five foot mount that 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: we were playing on. But it wasn't that he wanted 160 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: my arm strength better for me being a twelve year old. 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: He was looking at next year and the years beyond that. 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: This is where you're going to be. So there's no 163 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: we already have this part under control. We've dominated this part, 164 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: but if you really want to dominate. It was learning 165 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: how to throw the ball through the strike zone from 166 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: sixty feet six inches, and at that time it's still 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: a big fan of Dave Stewart. I would put my 168 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: hat down, you know, try to look like smoke and 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I will try to and I would spin the ball, 170 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: force him and try to spin it and go have 171 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: it going through the strike zone, not just to the catcher. 172 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: He would be back there. Now, I say, try to 173 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: throw it through my glove, like, let me stop the ball, 174 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: don't throw it to the strike zone, throw it through 175 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the strike zone. From then I learned about arm strength 176 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: and about the three quarter releases, trying to really pull 177 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: down on the ball and make the ball feel like 178 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: it's going to hit the ground, and just playing out 179 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: Kurk Shillen did that on the mound. He would throw 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: balls that felt like it's going to be in your 181 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: shin and it was knee high. And so after doing that, 182 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: we started getting tubes and just working on arm strength 183 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: because he knew and I knew I wasn't going to 184 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: be the biggest guy. My dad always said, you don't 185 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: have to be the biggest, but you're going to be strong, 186 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: and that when when your opponents play against you, whether 187 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: it's basketball, football, or baseball, that you want them to 188 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: walk away say, man, that dude can play. So that 189 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: was that was, you know, I guess what DESI saw 190 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: my arm strength. There were things that I worked on. 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: None of this was was born in the lab. It 192 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: took a lot of work in the years, but also 193 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: foresight from my dad understanding what the future was I 194 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: was just worried about today. He had the bigger plan 195 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: and I was able to stay on track, staying. 196 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: On that defensive theme. 197 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 5: Jimmy, I mean you to me, were one of the 198 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: most consistent shortstuff. I've seen a lot of them omar 199 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 5: vs scale self. As far as consistency. From what I've 200 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 5: seen over the years in my career, I don't think 201 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 5: there's anybody as consistent as you were. I was wondering, 202 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 5: you've only won like four or five gold gloves, you 203 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 5: probably one about eleven of them. Does that bother you 204 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 5: that you never got to the I mean to me, 205 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 5: I felt like you were disrespected in that regard because 206 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 5: I didn't see, by any stretch of the imagination, anybody 207 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: as consistent and as dominant on the field at that 208 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: position as you were during the course of your career. 209 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate Ruben uh so disrespect. I wouldn't say that far. 210 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: I just took it, especially in my first two to 211 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: three years, as in you know, there there there's a 212 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: there's an order, there's an order, and your time will come. 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: We had Rent Area, we had Orlando guys that were 214 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: making great plays. Gonzales down in Florida. That guys that 215 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: I looked up to, like, man, they make these crazy 216 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: looking plays, but they would have you know, high arizon, 217 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: just just regular routine balls on the plays that you 218 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: should make. But they were making extraordinary plays. I think 219 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: for me the first time, and I wouldn't say disrespect, 220 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: but I was like, wow, I'm confused. It was I 221 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: think maybe five oh six when Isterus won it with 222 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and I'm like, there's this no way, There's 223 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: no way he wins the go glove over me. At 224 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: that point I kind of got upset and kind of 225 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: made it a mission. I was never out there to 226 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: win go gloves. It was out there to play good defense, 227 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to be consistent that when the ground balls hit to me, 228 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: my pitcher knew that that was an out there feels 229 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: a big double play that need to be turned. Ground 230 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: ball to me, were turning that double play. But that 231 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: year I was That's the first time I was really 232 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: upset about not win. I think I was like, now 233 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: I put in my time and if there was a line, 234 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: I was in line before this person. But somehow they 235 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: leapfrogged me. And at that point that made me upset. 236 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: But I aggree I should have won more than four. 237 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm grateful to have won four, but I thought there 238 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 1: were a number of years that I was just overlooked, disrespected, 239 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: as you say, but just wasn't given credit for the 240 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: defense that I played. And I don't know what criteria 241 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: goes into playing defense. I know a lot of years 242 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: is about how many hits you get instead of how 243 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: many hits you take away. But I was never out 244 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: of the running. But four is a little low, honestly, 245 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: but at least I got that four. Can't plan about that. 246 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 5: I'll tell you that from my opinion, there's no question 247 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 5: in my mind that you were disrespected, and you should 248 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: probably add closer to eight or ten of those suckers, 249 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 5: because if the criteria were truly about the best glove 250 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 5: in the game, which it was originally my dad was 251 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 5: getting it back in sixty four, when it was truly 252 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 5: about the defense, there was no question in my mind 253 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 5: you were the best year in year out. 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: Just I don't disagree route, I don't disagree like and 255 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: with that, which is a great point which I alluded to. Yeah, 256 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: it literally became about the best hitting shortstop one go gloves, 257 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: which had nothing to do with defense. And I always 258 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: said that that what does you know, even talking with 259 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: riders and you know, National riders like yeah, but this 260 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: guy hit thirty home runs. I'm like, what does it 261 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: have to do with the fence? Absolutely nothing, like absolutely nothing. 262 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: Those are two different sides. You want to give this 263 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: guy a silver Slugger, go ahead, But it has nothing 264 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: to do with making the plays and catching the ball 265 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: and saving runs and being in the right position, controlling 266 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: the infield because as a shortstop you're the captain, and 267 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: getting people lined up and cut off some relays, and 268 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: and honestly getting on the outfielders. I love to get 269 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: on outfielders they made when they threw the ball to 270 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: the wrong base, Like what are you doing? Like, I'm 271 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: there's a game that I know that needs to be 272 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: played that if the situation costs concede this runner advance 273 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: and to keep this double plan order, then do that. 274 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,359 Speaker 1: Let's make the right play to give ourselves to get 275 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: get out of an inning. And those were things I 276 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: felt like I always did and we're control of, but 277 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: it became it became about the bat and not about 278 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: the glove. 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, the I mean, you know, the defensive metrics now. 280 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: I would love to see nowadays if you're playing right now, 281 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: like how you were grade out and like that that 282 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: cast crushing, you know, because defense. Here's another stat I 283 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: want to where I talk about defense. Defensive run saved. 284 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: I think you're like one hundred and forty one point 285 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: one defensive run saves across your career, more than any 286 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: shortstop and twenty five seasons since the retirement of Ozzie Smith. 287 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: So I didn't know that. 288 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of short change on this some of the 289 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: other like the war metrics on defensive war. I'm like, 290 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: I would That's why I would love just to see 291 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: if they could go back and like replicate. 292 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Right right, yeah that I mean ever, I mean obviously 293 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: everyone who knows me, Ricky Henerson my all time favorite player, 294 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And I said, and people think 295 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm joking because I've been like five seven since I 296 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: was twelve, there were times when I played with the 297 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: kids my age, I've kind of felt like I was 298 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: cal Ripkin, like one of the taller short stops longer 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: then I would play up though I played with the 300 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen year olds, and then I was like, Okay, 301 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: now I'm Oggie Smith, and so my game was really 302 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: evolved around those two until Mike board It came up 303 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: with the Oakland A and it's like, okay, well here's 304 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: a guy who literally just catches and throws. Catches and throws. 305 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: So I had three really good shortstop to kind of 306 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: model my game after. And it really depended on if 307 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: I felt tall that day playing with kids my age, 308 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: and I was kind of average height versus playing up 309 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: with the fourteen fifteen year olds and I felt small, 310 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: so I was I was auzzy. So for that comparison, 311 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: I had no idea of that. So thanks for that. 312 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot, honestly, and Ruben knows he knows me, well, 313 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: you guys know me. Well, there's a lot about myself 314 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: and where I fit in that I never paid attention 315 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: to because that was never my thing. It was only 316 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: about winning and helping my teammates become better and building 317 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: a belief system that we can actually win this, Like 318 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: we're not here to go home every September and watch 319 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: somebody else play in October. Like we can actually win. 320 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: So all those things, if they always say, and I agree, 321 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: if you play long enough, you're putting in and work 322 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: and you're healthy enough, you will put up good numbers 323 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: if you're a good player, and I was able to 324 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: do that. But a lot of it I just honestly 325 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: don't know because unless it was to my attention that 326 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: it was never mindtent other than I always said I 327 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: want to be a Hall of Famer, that was for sure. 328 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: I came from the Bay Area. I come from the 329 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Bay Area, and if you look at the ballplayers from 330 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: the Bay Area, it's like it's it's a tradition, like 331 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: if you're playing the sport, you're planning to be one 332 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: of the greatest, and ultimately that means getting too the 333 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. 334 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: Wow, he just charged. 335 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 4: I mean Bay Area Hall of Famers, Henderson Stargelle, Morgan. 336 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: Frank Ryan, Joe Morgan. I'm missing h David Blue. I 337 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: mean he was I'm not sure is he in the 338 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. He was a great one. 339 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: If he was, he's a great one. But yeah, so 340 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: there there there's just been a history of ratings there. 341 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I didn't I don't well now with 342 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: c C you know, prior to that, I'm like, I 343 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: don't want Ricky to be the last one to get in. 344 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: So now c c CC is taking that. So now 345 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: it's like, now I don't want seem to be the 346 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: last one to get in. Uh so Uh, It's that 347 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: the Bay Area has always been rich in sports, but 348 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: especially baseball. Though the Open A's are no longer there, 349 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: you have the giants that still represent baseball in the 350 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: Bay What are you. 351 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: Most All the times we've talked to I don't know 352 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: that I've ever asked you, what are you most proud of? 353 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: In your career? The all time hits leader, You're on 354 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: the Wall of Fame, you're an. 355 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: MVP GOGLEO All Star World champion, and you're also a 356 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 4: soothsayer where the team to beat? 357 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: So that really the seventh season, And I say that 358 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: because it built the belief system. It it literally was 359 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: a launching pad for us as an organization for that 360 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: five year stretch that we had. But it was a 361 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: belief system and went from us talking about it in 362 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: spring training the year prior, actually two years prior, where 363 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: we got close, you know, a week left and somebody 364 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: knocks us out. In two thousand and six, I think 365 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: we were all in Washington, d C. Watching the Pirates 366 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: in Houston, and I remember everybody we saw this soft 367 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: line drive come off the bat. I forgot who the 368 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: hitter was and we were jumping up and down like 369 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: it's in the gap. We got the one game playoff 370 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: and Bigio just goes up and it's like, what the heck? 371 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: You know? Was that us hoping from that to you know, like, 372 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: you know what, We've been close so many times. The 373 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: Braves are no longer the division champs, and it was 374 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: like the light bulb was or the shade off, the 375 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: division was taken off and it was wide open. And 376 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: you know Pat Gillick, you know, coming over as a 377 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: gym and coming in saying we're years away, and you know, 378 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: I could curse on this, right yeah, sure, I'm like, 379 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: fuck that, Like, I don't half years. I'm already five 380 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: six years and two this. I don't have three more 381 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: years of a rebuild, you know. 382 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: And there was nothing to his madness there, Jimmy, nothing. 383 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: It works. It works the hell off, I tell you 384 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: that much. I don't know anyone else felt about it, Bud. 385 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: He said that I was pissed. I'm like, what the 386 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? 387 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: Bro? 388 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Like we have it right here, Like what are you 389 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: talking about? Which led to two thousand and seven, when 390 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: I was asked about, you know, the division, I'm like, 391 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: look at what we have. The trades were making. We're ready, 392 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: Like we are absolutely ready. And it was just more 393 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: so the Braves losing finally their grip hold on a division. 394 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: And it was like, we played the Braves well, we 395 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: played the Mets well, who just wanted the vision. We're 396 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: not afraid of the fucking Mets, so why not. It's 397 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: at they're older. Shit, That's how I felt. They're really 398 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: old and we're really young, and and yeah, with the 399 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: team to be and I and I stated why although 400 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: we got clipped. Thankfully, it got clipped and ran on 401 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: like a wildfire thanks to a LUCKI couldn't wait to 402 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: get up to New York. But it was really how 403 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: I felt. It wasn't it wasn't just popping off. And 404 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'll talk trash, don't get me wrong, 405 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: But I talk trash because I know I have something 406 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: to bring with it. I'm not just talking for fun 407 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: or for the sake of it. Sometimes, yes, it is 408 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: psychological warfare because I want to see how you react. 409 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Because I know what I can stand on. I know 410 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: how to handle my business. But maybe you don't. So 411 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm adding that pressure to you because if you feel 412 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: that pressure, that gives me an advantage. So there was 413 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: a little bit of that in there, but it was 414 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: more so for us to lock inward and black guys. 415 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: If the Mets can do it, and we can beat 416 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: the Mets, come on, like let's let's let's be real 417 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: about this. And it and it took an entire season, 418 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: and there were plenty of games, especially in the second half, 419 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: when we're looking at this big old delta between us 420 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: and the Mets, and I'm in the mire after games, 421 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: after getting our bus kicked, like all right, maybe maybe 422 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: maybe you bid off little. How about just get to 423 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: the playoffs and if you don't win a division, you 424 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: started out trying to win a division, but you get 425 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: to the playoffs as a wild card. Just maybe that works. 426 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Just just you know what, let's get to the playoffs. 427 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: Then the next night we go win fifteen or two, 428 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh shit. It was almost like they 429 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: felt my energy and god, I really felt like I 430 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: was being lifted up at times and it's like, nah, 431 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: we got you, you know, we like we got you. 432 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: Can get back out there, And I was able to 433 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: keep you know, pushing forward. But it wasn't all me. 434 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: It was you know, them believing and from not believing 435 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: in what I said or thinking I'm crazy to send 436 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: that belief system start to build up and them lifting 437 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: me up every time I felt like I was getting 438 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: ready to fall, and us winning a division although we 439 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: got knocked out, but to the World Series the next 440 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: year being the winners losing and then obviously things just 441 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: didn't go as we as we wanted. But it was seen. 442 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: Shoot at that year, twenty five guys plus how many 443 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: injuries we had, Reuben, you know, this whole system of 444 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: guys is coming up and buying into this is hours 445 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: we will win. That was my proudest moment of my career. 446 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: It culminated an MVP, but it was seeing just everybody 447 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: buy into something. To me. 448 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 4: You you you made that comment and then you wore 449 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 4: that comment every day of that and you backed it up. 450 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: So like, what twenty triples. 451 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: Yet thirty home runs. 452 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: Over forty doubles, I don't know. 453 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 4: I mean, you wore that comment every day and you 454 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 4: backed it up. 455 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: It was what an amazing season? 456 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I lost fifteen pounds by the way, 457 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: but I felt strongest. I felt, you know, ussaying boat fast. 458 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: I felt like I was flying that last game of 459 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: the season when I got that single and a stove 460 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: sac and stove third. You can tell me I wasn't 461 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: Superman that day. 462 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 5: It was. 463 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: It was. It was, it was. It was a heavy 464 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: burden gym, It really was, you know. I It wasn't 465 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: the intent to put that pressure on my teammates or myself. 466 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: There's enough pressure being being out there, or perceived pressure, 467 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: as as Jalen Hurts puts it, because a lot of 468 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: it is perceived. It's from the outside influences, and but 469 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: no one did. There's more pressure inside that clubhouse. And 470 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: that's looking at each other in the face when we 471 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: do something good or or or not so good. That's 472 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: pressure that I have to go in after a moment 473 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: where I feel like I caused a team, you know, 474 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: a loss, to look at my teammates and then have 475 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: to go in front of you guys and answer the 476 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: questions and stand up. You know, you you can't bag away, 477 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: you can't duck your head. The city doesn't allow that. 478 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: But if you call yourself a leader, then you have 479 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: to stand up and take and and take that al, 480 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: take that beat, and but show up the next day 481 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: prepared to write that wrong. 482 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: Jimmy, let's stretch to the offense a little bit. 483 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you because you're not big 484 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 5: in stature, you do have great handspeed. 485 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: As a hitter, and that kind of stuff. 486 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 5: What happened to you mentally to start to think that 487 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 5: you believed in being able to drive the ball consistently 488 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 5: into the gaps then later on out of the ballpark. 489 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: I remember having conversations with the raising thing and no 490 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: way he's gonna. 491 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: Hit thirty runs right that transition. That was something I 492 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: always knew how to pop. I remember my first home 493 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: Remember my first home run, like out over the fence 494 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: home run playing in Oakland Bay Ruth. And you know, 495 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: with with my dad batting practice, I'm launching them just 496 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: all day. It became a thing. It was just like 497 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: I just learned how to create that angle to get 498 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: the ball in the air. But in the game it 499 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: never happened. Hit my first home run and left center. 500 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: My dad still still has it. He has he still 501 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: has the footage of it in center field. He's I 502 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: hit the ball, he turns the camera and I'm running 503 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: around the base. I'm like, I knew it. I think 504 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: it was off Erica Cotton, I mean, and she was 505 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: she was striking with everybody. I'm like, you're not gonna 506 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: strike me out. So I had actually ended up hitting 507 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: the home run off of her. But that was my first, 508 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: my first. 509 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 3: But shout out to Erica. Shout out to Erica. 510 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: I would say about between four and five, I had 511 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: gone down to work with Tony gwyn Uh. Jack Jones 512 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: allowed me to come down to San Diego stay at 513 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: his place, and we had put in some work and 514 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: I was just learning about back path and I'm watching 515 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Jock and Tony work and they're doing these impossible drills 516 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: for me. They're hit putting the ball off their back 517 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: leg and hitting bullets at the lefts in the corner 518 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: and I would do it and I would just kept 519 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: hitting pop up after pop up or rollover and I'm 520 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: just like, man, I don't know if I can do this. 521 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: And I would get frustrated and Tony'd be like, why 522 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: are you getting upset because you asked me to do 523 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: something I can't do, And I'm just going off and 524 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: it's like, but it's getting upset going to make you 525 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: any better? And I'm like no, He's like, so, why 526 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: are you getting upset? So the first thing I learned 527 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: to do was not get upset at the struggle. Defensively, 528 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: I knew it the struggle led to greatness, but offensively, 529 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: I just wasn't accepting not being able to do something 530 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: I'm watching them to do with their eyes closed. Tony 531 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: Gwyn is a different man, Let's just be honest. He 532 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: could do anything with the bat, and Jock was his pupil. 533 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: And then so I learned that lesson. And then I 534 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: started hearing about Barry Bonds learning how to catch the 535 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: ball and what that meant. And I think we had 536 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: who was at Cody Ransom came over from the Giant 537 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: somewhere around that time, and he was talking about how 538 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: he would work with Barry and drills that they would do. 539 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: So I had Tony on one side, who's the bottom 540 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: hand guy hitting the ball? The other way Berry on 541 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: the other side, who's the top hand guy on driving 542 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: the ball? And then my real mentor, Bobby I Bray 543 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: you getting and him literally fixing my swing, fixing the 544 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: little the I guess the little barrel dropped that I 545 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: would do and would cause a lot of bat lag 546 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: and pop ups. And once I straightened out, I, once 547 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: I got both sides my front arm, learned how to 548 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: pull the bat down without having a do this and 549 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: popping that elbow up, which is they kind of teach 550 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: this dumb launch angle thing. Now, once I learned how 551 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: to do that, I was able to put all three 552 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: pieces together. Bottom hand has a job, top hand has 553 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: a job. As long as I was conscious of this 554 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: and making that move as I turned, the bat will 555 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: drop me to slot naturally and swing up as you 556 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: turn through the ball. Then I said, okay, Barry says, 557 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: catching the ball knowing where my barrel is. If I 558 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: treat that as a glove, I can catch the ball 559 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: on the barrel. And it just started making sense. I mean, 560 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: it was a lot of trust me. It's a lot 561 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: of Bobby telling me, get up, get out regular day, 562 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Come on me, me and Rick can have to watch. 563 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: It was a lot of that until I figured it out. 564 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: And then I would get to spring training and get 565 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: on an iron mic and I would get as close 566 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: as I could because I heard Pete Rose did it, 567 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: and I would just stand as close as I could. 568 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: And when you're standing so close, you can't waste you 569 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: can't waste motion. There's no wasted movements when the ball's coming. 570 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: It's probably like one hundred and twenty miles prior. When 571 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: that close and I started barreling the ball and then 572 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: catching the ball started making sense. It didn't take a 573 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of effort or movement to catch the ball. It 574 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: was just being efficient from A to B. Once I 575 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: did that, I was like, Okay, what happens if I 576 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: tried to manipulate the ball in the air. What happens 577 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: if I tried to manipulate the ball for a low 578 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: line drive? And feeling that difference? And I learned and 579 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: when I especially count leverage, when I had a count 580 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: of pitch that I knew I had, you know what 581 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: if I execute this move, I know what the results 582 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: should be. And it just started to happen and happen. 583 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Then I was able to get in the groove. I 584 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: knew certain pitches, certain counts that I was in position 585 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: to do damage, and I wasn't afraid of it. I 586 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: think also was given freedom when Charlie came over, to 587 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: be able to hit the ball in the air and 588 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: try to drive the ball out the yard. Charlie like 589 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: he wants you to hit, he wants you to get hits. 590 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: He didn't want the ball in the air for pop ups. 591 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: But if you're going to drive the ball out the yard, 592 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: he was going to let you go. He'd give you 593 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: that three green light. And I looking that dug out 594 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, hell yeah, Charlie, yeah, you know, and 595 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: I would be rewarded. And I hit some three old bombs, 596 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: my three zero counts. I was a real good hitting 597 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: counter flick over the years. So it was just a 598 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: matter of me learning and then also me being allowed 599 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: to when Charlie got there to regime. Before that old school, 600 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, hit the ball on the ground, use your speed, 601 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: got in a lot of trouble with the ball went 602 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: in the air. But with Charlie, it was like, you know, 603 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: until you prove you can't do it, I'm gonna go 604 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: ahead and let you, you know, be yourself and be 605 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: all that you can't be and get out the most 606 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: out of your abilities. So all that to say, it 607 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: took a lot of work, and then I was half 608 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Then I was given permission to go ahead and make 609 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: those attempts to do that, and I was able to 610 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: have some succession driving the ball out the art. Great stuff, man, 611 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: great stuff, Thank you. I thank them. It was them. They, 612 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean they put in work. 613 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: I listen, I studied baseball. 614 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: I studied hitting for a long long time the leagues, 615 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 5: and you know, if you want to get you got 616 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 5: to study and you gotta work at it. And yeah, 617 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: that explanation to me, I've never heard it before. And 618 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 5: I loved hearing Austin time. 619 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. But look, I had to go 620 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: to Bobby. I literally we were at the VET and 621 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: so it took a year and and me and Bobby laughed. 622 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: It took about a year and a half before he 623 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: worked with me. I'm like, Bobby, like, what is it. 624 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, let me come work with He was like, okay, 625 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: come work with me. But he never invited me to say, okay, 626 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: come work with me. So I had to literally find 627 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: out his schedule, which kind of, you know, got me 628 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: in a little trouble sometimes, you know, the Bobby or Bray, 629 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: you schedule and figure out when he would hit. And 630 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: it was never before he'd go in after BP, when 631 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: the cage was open and everybody's in there eating and lunching. 632 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: He'd go, he'd go in and start doing this work. 633 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: So one day I just happened to sneak in and 634 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: he laughed at me. I was like, I got you. 635 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: And so from then on we worked and worked and 636 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: worked until we got it right. 637 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: I love your invitation to Charlie giving you the three 638 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: old Greens. 639 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: I like that Bill rings. 640 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: That that's the best about Charlie though. I know, you 641 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: know he was just so positive and just built you 642 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: guys up. Do you think he has can do stuff? 643 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: And I know, like there were times after a game 644 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: where not necessarily you, but somebody would swing it a 645 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: three to zero pitch and pop it up and then 646 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: we'd go, do you want him swinging at three open? Goddamn, 647 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: it's over the plate, you know, I want in that count. 648 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: And it made so much like it made so much 649 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: swinging at the first pitch. Well, if it's a good pitch, 650 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: yeah I want I'm swinging at it. 651 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Man. It's funny because in today's game, like, there was 652 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things I think players in my generation 653 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: got in trouble for, especially as leadoff hitters. And yes, 654 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: leadoff hitters have switched. Now your lead off hitter now 655 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: hits fifty home runs and the lineups were situated, you know, differently, 656 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: But I always felt so you're telling me I need 657 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: to sacrifice maa bat for somebody three three hitters for 658 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: three hitters later like that made no sense. I did 659 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: my homework the same way they did their homework. They're 660 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: gonna pitch me completely differently. Then they're gonna pitch Ryan Howard, 661 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Chase Uddley, Pat Burrow, Jada or Bobby Bray. You and 662 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: those guys. They're not pitching me the same way, So 663 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: why am I taking pitches for them? So you want 664 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: me to take a ninety three, ninety four fastball right 665 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: down the middle so you can see his breaking ball, Well, 666 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: now don't. I don't want to see his breaking ball. 667 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: That pitch is not meant to be hit. And that 668 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: was my mentality and I would get in a lot 669 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: of trouble for it. But if you look at my career, 670 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: me swinging early one to oh counts, the numbers played 671 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: out that that was the best time for me to 672 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: be swinging the back and going back to Charlie, it 673 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: got to a point where yeah, he didn't care, oh oh, 674 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: and it's one nothing. I did my job, Oh oh, 675 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: and I had a weak round ball. Then we got 676 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: to talk about it. But I still have permission. I 677 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: still have permission. That was the biggest Having freedom is huge, 678 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: having freedom to go ahead and play your game. Right 679 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: or wrong. It was on It was on me to succeed. 680 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: But right or wrong. I had that freedom where in 681 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: the past years, in the early years, it was like 682 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: a lad ufit are supposed to see fourty five pitches, 683 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, the more pitches I see, the 684 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: worse I get. Right, That's just what it was. 685 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: I was just trying to look I was trying to 686 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 2: look this up and I couldn't find it. But I 687 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: know I've looked it up once in the past, because 688 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: you would get killed a lot for swing at the 689 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: first pitch. And I remember looking up the stat one 690 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: time in your career numbers when you put the first 691 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: pitch in play in any of that you were hitting 692 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: like three thirteen career, Yeah, twenty career. When you put 693 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: the first pitch of it that bat in play, you 694 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: did very very well. 695 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me, I'm very aware of this. But I 696 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: could you know, I couldn't use it as an argument. 697 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to the media and answer 698 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: a question that way. It is what it is, you know, 699 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: if you really want to look it up. I know 700 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: where I suceeed and it's my job to know that. 701 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: And anyway, Charlie gave me permission, So talk to Charlie