1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, sitting him for Dave. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: It's the Hue and this is short stuff. I think 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: I already said that, So let's go Woo woo edition 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: a little bit. Depending on where what your background is, 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: or what your intentions are, or what you believe the 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: effects of what you're doing. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Are, that's right. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: And what we're talking about is smudging. And if you're like, 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: what is that? Have you ever heard of burning sage? Like, Oh, 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: we just moved into this new house. We're gonna walk 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: around and burn some sage, get rid of all those 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: bad vibes, and just welcome the newness and the goodness 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: into this place by burning a little bundle of white sage. 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called smudging. The smoke supposedly does some stuff 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: to like you said, the vibes. It is very popular 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: among people who use words like vibes, right. But it 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: has its roots very firmly in Indigenous North American cultures, 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: in particular the Dakota in ho Chunk cultures. Smudged with sage. 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: Ho Chunk is more familiar as the Winnebago tribe right, 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: and they also well, I guess they evolved this practice independently, 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: but civilizations like throughout time have used herbs or incenses 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: to do things like cleanse the air or purify things. 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: And there's definitely something to it. It's just the science 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: on it hasn't really been carried out in a lot 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: of ways, and there's a lot of people who still 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: kind of jump to larger conclusions than they possibly should 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: at this point. Who knows, I think my take on it. 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: I just want everybody to bear this in mind. If 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: it makes you happy, if you like it, if you're 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: doing it ethically and responsibly, more power to you. 32 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Burning all kinds of verbs has long been a 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: sort of a ritual in different cultures. Like you were 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: talking about smudging, you can also call it saging. The 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: word sage actually comes from Latin from salvia, which means 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: to feel healthy. And we're going to talk about potential 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: health benefits here in a minute. But there, you know, 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: there are people who will say, well, hold on a minute, 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: this is this is cultural appropriation, really, and if you're 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: just walking around like you throw on some enya or 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: some grateful dead and you're and you're burning smug you're 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: smudge and you're burning that stage and walking around, then 44 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: you may be sort of doing a not a disservice, 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: but inadvertently sort of insulting, being disrespectful to the original 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: very sacred practice. 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: So that is. 48 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: Something to keep in mind and just like, leave me 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: out of this, leave me in the crossword where I've got. 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: So there are people though that will say, like, hey, 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: if you're going to do this, keep some things in mind. 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: Harvest it sustainably, and we'll get to why you should 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: do that in a sec although you should always do 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: that for anything. 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then maybe you. 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: Know, sort of do some research on how it was 57 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: really done and maybe you know, try and honor that 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: in some way. 59 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, maybe seek different sources too, beyond Instagram 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: or TikTok. And I'm not making fun, but I know 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people that are getting the 62 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: idea to go smudge from those sources. Great, but go 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: look up a little more about it and that might 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: help you feel a little better about doing it. 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you're curious about potential benefits of smudging 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: beyond just sort of feeling like it's a ritual, you 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: should do when you move in or you want to 68 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 3: get rid of some bad vibes, don't go to websites 69 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: that have web pages that are turquoise or in comic sands, 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: comic sands, pink script, lots of crystals. You're gonna get 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: a lot of information on those sites, but it may 72 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: not be accurate. Because I did look a little deeper 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: into benefits of smudging and burning sage, and maybe we 74 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 3: should talk about those when we come back right after this. 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: I think that's a capital idea. 76 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back, all right. 77 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: So if you look up, you know, what are the 78 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: benefits of burning sage, you will find all kinds of 79 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: things from improved mood, better sleep, enhance cognition, lowering your 80 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: stress levels, anti bacterial properties, stuff like that. The problem 81 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: is with a lot of this kind of stuff is 82 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: it's hard to find great solid scientific studies and evidence 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: because science doesn't usually study stuff like this. A lot 84 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: the money goes elsewhere. So you'll find lots of studies 85 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: where it's like there's a lot of correlation and stuff 86 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: like that, a lot of self reporting. But I was 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: having a hard time finding like some real good, hard 88 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: double blind studies on this stuff. 89 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's problem one. Problem two is there are 90 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: some peer reviewed good studies or meta analysis of other studies, 91 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: but if you start looking into them, you're like, oh, 92 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: this isn't actually talking about smudging at all, or yeah, 93 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: if it is about smudging, it's not about smudging with sage. 94 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: It's about smudging with havanamagri, right, which is an Indian 95 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: medicinal I guess incense, which that one is widely cited 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: because that study found that burning havan some magari purifies 97 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: your room. It kills up to ninety five percent of 98 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: airborne bacteria for up to like thirty days. 99 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: So you could be like, Okay, I mean this sage 101 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: really that much different from have on SMAGERI, So surely 102 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: there's some properties to it. That's what people are doing. 103 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Or if it's a study on stage in sage's ability 104 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to enhance cognition or to fight Alzheimer's or to improve 105 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: your mood or something like that, those are studies on 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: sage extract that you're taking. Orally it's not a study 107 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: on smudging. That's different. Again, you can make some jumps 108 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: to conclusions that may have some some basis, like, you know, 109 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: if you burn some of the bioactive compounds and other 110 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: plants marijuana, it does things to you, for sure. How 111 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: is it that that far off that burning sage and 112 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: its bioactive compounds could have other different effects that just 113 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: maybe aren't quite as noticeable, or I just haven't been researched. Yes, yes, 114 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: but the key thing here is to remember it hasn't 115 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: been researched, so you know, take it all with a 116 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: grain of salt. But again, if it's making you feel good, 117 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: even if it's a placebo, then great. Yeah. 118 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 119 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: And by the way, please don't put sage in your 120 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: bomb and inhale it. 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, kill your throat. 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would not be good for you. 123 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: We mentioned, or I think I mentioned responsible harvesting of 124 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: sage about fifty percent, and this is California white sage. 125 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: About fifty percent of California white sage has been lost 126 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: to urbanization. This article says, you know, the increase in 127 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: non native people saging is posing a threat. I saw 128 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: that it was more like urbanization in general, climate change, fire, drought, poaching, 129 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: sort of the usual suspects with stuff like that. 130 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: If it's California, sage that fire is contributing big time. 131 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So I'm not so convinced that that's true that, like, 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, people jumping off of goop and buying sage 133 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: is like, why that there's a fifty percent drop? But 134 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: it may be playing a part, who knows. 135 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a huge a huge decline in 136 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: it naturally, then a bunch of new people coming and 137 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: buying it would definitely have an impact too. Sure. 138 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Carpenter bees are the main pollinator of white sage, 139 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: so the loss of sage is no good, just like 140 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: you know, losing any kind of pollinating plant is no good. 141 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: And then you know whether or not it's bad for you. 142 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: I was trying to find information. I didn't see where 143 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: it was necessarily bad. As long as you keep the 144 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: smoke levels down. You don't want to especially if you 145 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: have asthma or something or any respiratory illness. You don't 146 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: want to be breathing in smoke period. So when you sage, 147 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: you want to you want to blow that thing out 148 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,359 Speaker 3: pretty quick and keep the smoke to a minimum. 149 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Yes. One other thing I did see though, that makes 150 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,359 Speaker 1: a lot of sense, is that the smoke releases negative ions, 151 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: and I saw some people say which counteract negative energy. 152 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: Not true, but it does counter at things like allergens 153 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: like dust stander mold, which are positively charged typically, so 154 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: that makes some sense. So there is some some science 155 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: to it too, but also just getting away from all 156 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: the science, getting away from applying any new age group 157 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: stuff to it. It does. It is like a traditional 158 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: indigenous practice. And I saw actually the Mayo Clinic was 159 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: boasting about how they have a smudging room at their 160 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: their Minnesota like main campus that because they work with 161 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: so many Native American patients, that's like one of the 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: things they offer with their chaplains. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's 163 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: pretty cool. 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: I didn't see any like this is how long you're 165 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: supposed to do it, because I think, especially if it's 166 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: something that's like a symbolic thing that you're doing, I'm 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: not sure like you can even put a time limit 168 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: on something that ethereal uh. But yeah, just uh, I 169 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 3: mean we're not smudge advisors. I would say just don't 170 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: don't don't throw it away like it's just some dumb 171 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: thing you're doing, Like, just let me do this, like 172 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: maybe respect it a little bit, even if it's just 173 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: a placebo effect, Like it's something that many cultures have 174 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: done for for you know, thousands of years, so like 175 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: pay pay it a little respect, I would say. 176 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: So there's there's a ritual to it. I think originally 177 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: smudging was bathing yourself in the smoke from the sage bundle. 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: That that's really what what indigenous smudging is, and then 179 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: it kind of got translated to clearing the negative energy 180 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: out of a space as well. But one of the 181 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: things you can do if you smudge is you can 182 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: you can basically you take the smoke and waft it 183 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: to yourself. Yeah, basically run it through your hair, run 184 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: it over your shoulders, down your arms, like just take 185 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: a quick bath in the in the the smoke. Then 186 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: you're actually doing like the most basic ancient indigenous practice 187 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: with smudging. But you can also walk around your place 188 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: with it, like you're saying, and there's different elements to it, 189 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: like literally elements or symbolic elements. And one of the 190 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: first things you want to get that's typically used as 191 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: a shell, often an abalone shell, and that's the container 192 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: that you're actually lighting the bundle in, and that represents 193 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: the element of water. 194 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so not the puka shell from your necklace that 195 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: you inevitably have on around your. 196 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,239 Speaker 1: Neck with the cocoa pelly pen, yeah. 197 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: Something larger, and then of course you've got the herb itself. 198 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: You bundle it together. You can call it a smudge 199 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: stick if you'd like. You've got your fire that's obviously 200 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: an element, and then you got that smoke, which is 201 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: the air element. 202 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Yep, how stuff works. Did you get this from how 203 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: stuff works? 204 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: That in other places? 205 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Well, somebody interviewed a writer in healing practitioner named Molly 206 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Larkin who said, hey, man, if you're worried about like 207 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: insulting indigenous cultures, because you're not doing this right, you're 208 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: not taking it seriously enough. They said that basically the 209 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: way you can prevent that across the board is by 210 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: having an intention with smudging, and like you were saying, 211 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: an intention beyond listening to Enya, and that in expressing 212 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: that intention through prayer and that that's one of the 213 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: big parts of smudging, as you say like I want 214 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: to get rid of I want to wash that man 215 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: right out of my hair or something like that, So 216 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to run sage smoke through it, or they like, 217 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: that's what most people think of a smudging, you're getting 218 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: rid of negative energy in a space or from yourself. 219 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: But apparently, according to Molly Larkin, you can also bring 220 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: in positive energy. So you can set your intention whether 221 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: it's to get rid of negative energy or bring in 222 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: positive or both, and then you just kind of repeat 223 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: that throughout the ritual of smudging. 224 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just keep in mind of all the science 225 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: stuff we talked about. 226 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: Yes, and one other thing too. Apparently one of the 227 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: beliefs is that the ashes contain the negative energy that 228 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: you have removed, and so you want to dispose of 229 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: that ash on bare earth. If you've gone this far, 230 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: you might as well finish it right. 231 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely, And hey, if you're going to finish it right, 232 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: start right and grow your own white sage and use that. 233 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's another thing too. They recommend do not buy 234 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: from mass market retailers because they're probably not sourcing it ethically. 235 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: They could be a part of the problem if there 236 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: is a sage shortage. Ideally you would buy it from 237 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: a local Native American owned business. And then yeah, the 238 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: second best of that is growing at yourself. 239 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 240 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: Wow, wow, we really did a good job here, Chuck 241 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: if I may say so ourselves, and I think so, okay, 242 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: well go forth and says everybody, but do so ethically 243 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: and responsibly and with respect. And that means, of course 244 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: short stuff is out. 245 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 246 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 247 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.