1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtiz and I'm Doug Krisner. Here 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. It was on Sunday 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: in Israel the TA thirty five stock index was up 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: one point three percent. Now analyst over JP Morgan Chase 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: are estimating that the Israeli economy may shrink by eleven 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: percent on an annualized basis in the fourth quarter. This 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: report was released roughly twenty four hours before that ground 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: invasion began. Now, typically in a week where you have 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: a FED meeting, that would be the main event, Not 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: so much for this week. We've got earnings from Apple 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that could get more attention. And another potential pressure point 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: is the Treasury's refunding announcement on Wednesday. Will take a 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: closer look at that momentarily. In terms of the FED, though, 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: policymakers are expected to hold that key rate steady in 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: a range of between five and a quarter to five 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: and a half percent. That, by the way, is a 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: twenty two year high. We also have Central Bank of 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: meetings in the week ahead in the UK and in Japan. Now, 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: crude oil in the New York session rallied on Friday, 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: when Israel did step up ground operations WTI finishing at 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: eighty five point fifty four. We're down right about eight 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: tens of one percent in the electronic session at eighty 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: four eighty five. And we'll take another look at market 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: action for you in about fifteen minutes. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: Brian, thanks very much. Now it's time for Global news. 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 2: Let's see it right over to Ed Baxter in San Francisco. 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: Israel has deepened the war with Hamas. It's a war 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: that has seemingly no end inside. 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Ed. 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, Brian. Prime Minister Benjamin Nett Yahoo calling 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 4: it phase two, sending troops and tanks into the northern 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: Gaza strip. 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 5: I mean the war inside the Gaza Strip will be 34 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 5: difficult and long, and we are prepared for it. 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: And Bloomberg's Henry Mayer in Tel Aviv says Israel is 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 4: using ground troops to gather information that Israel can then 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: use to refine air strike targets on Hamas. 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 6: Tamas is extremely well dug in in Gaza. It has 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 6: a network of hundreds of tunnels which extend across the 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 6: whole Godda strip. And you know these are very sophisticated 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 6: facilities which you allow them to move equipment and men around. 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: The US is standing with Israel. National Security Advisor to 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: the President Jake Sullivan on ABC has heard on Bloomberg. 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 7: Israel is trying to do is to ensure that Hamas 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 7: cannot again present the kind of strategic systemic threat that 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 7: it has been posing to the citizens of Israel. 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: But again, Sullivan says, a concern of safety of hostages 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 4: and civilians in Gudz as well. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 7: Every innocent human life is sacred and every step must 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 7: be taken to protect human life, whether that be Palestinian 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 7: or Israeli or anyone else. 52 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: Along with the increase in military activity, there is a 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: call for discussion from the executive director of the Florida 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: Chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations, Abdul Jabar. 55 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 8: When we're looking for a sea spar when we're looking 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 8: to even beyond the. 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 9: Call to pause so that you can have these discussions, 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 9: we're not even seeing that opportunity come up. 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: And the new Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: says there will be work this week on funding for Israel. 61 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: He expects to have it by the end of the week. 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: With the GLP field narrowing for the presidential nomination. Mike 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: penns drops out. Chris Christy on CNN says the party 64 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: faces strong challenges as Donald Trump's legal woes are mounting. Christy, 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 4: let me find that for you. Here go Christy on CNN. 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is not going to be able to beat 67 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden from a courtroom in Washington, d C. While 68 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: he's fighting his indictment on the January sixth case. And 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: let me tell you that indictement got much tougher for 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: him to beat when his own chief of staff has 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: now accepted immunity and will testify against him about the 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: lies he told in the aftermath of January sixth. 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 4: And he says the party needs to get rid of 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: Trump move on to debate between the parties strong leaders. 75 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: China's foreign Minister Wang Yi says a road to San 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: Francisco's summit will not be a smooth one. This is 77 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: a reference to the expected meeting between President Shi Jimping 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: and US President Joe Biden. This after his meeting with 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 4: US Secretary of State Blank and the end of last 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: week they did agree to work together to make it happen, 81 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 4: and the US is saying it will come together Global 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: news twenty four hours a day and whenever you want 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 4: it with Bloomberg News Now in San Francisco. I'm Ed Baxter. 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 4: This is Bloomberg Brian Ed. 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Let's get to some of the top 86 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: stories here. Egypt saying that his natural gas imports have 87 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: ground to a halt. It reflects the impact of the 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: Gaza conflict on the North African nation. It could also 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: dash hopes of a resumption of exports to Europe. The 90 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: halt in gas imports appears linked to a decision earlier 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: this month by Israel to shut down the offshore Temar 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: gas field. That's amid concerns that the field could be 93 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: damaged by the fighting between Israel's military and Hamas in 94 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip. Chevron operates the Tamar field. It could 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: not be reached for immediate comment. However, the company did 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: say on Friday it has continued to honor some of 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: its contracts with Egypt well. 98 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: The Fed's decision on Wednesday may take a backseat to 99 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: another potential market moving event, speaking here of the Treasury's 100 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: new borrowing plan, the so called quarterly Refunding announcement. It's 101 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: due just hours before the Fed's decision, and this will 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: detail how the Treasury intends to ramp up sales of 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: longer term government debt as of funding a wider budget deficit. 104 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: Christopher Harvey is the head of equity strategy at Wells Fargo. 105 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 10: If the Treasury announces and they don't need as much 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 10: paper as people suspect, or they come in line with expectations, 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 10: that's a good thing. If the FOMC plays ball and says, okay, 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 10: we're done, We're good here for now, that could stabilize 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 10: the markets. 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: That is Christopher Harvey from Wells Fargo. By the way, 111 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Intelligence is projecting growths coupon auction amounts will rise 112 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: by between one to two billion dollars across the curve 113 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: over the next six months, with the exception of the 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: twenty and thirty year bonds. 115 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: Brian well Stillantis has reached a tentative deal with the 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: United Auto Workers, ending the union six week old strike 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: with the company. The deal reached on Saturday, includes a 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: twenty five percent hourly pay raise plus cost of living allowances. 119 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 2: It matches the agreement reached with Ford earlier last week. 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: In a video posted on x uaw president Sean Fain 121 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: praised the deal. 122 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 9: Once again, we've achieved what just weeks ago we were 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 9: told was impossible. The power of the stand up strike 124 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 9: cannot be understated. Over the forty four days we were 125 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 9: on strike, Stillanus more than doubled the total value of 126 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 9: the proposals they had on the table. 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: Sean Fain, the union said that on top of Stillantis 128 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: reopening the plant, the company would also add more than 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: a thousand jobs at a new battery plant in Belvidere 130 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: in Illinois. Stillantis is now negotiating to head off a 131 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: strike at his Canadian operation. 132 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Australia has walked away from negotiations on a free trade 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: deal with the European Union for the second time in 134 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: three months. More from Bloomberg's Paul Allen in Sydney. 135 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 11: A free trade deal between Australia and the European Union 136 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 11: has been on the table for five years now, and 137 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 11: while his broad agreement over almost everything, a couple of 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 11: small sticking points have proven insurmountable. Australia wants it greater 139 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 11: access for its beef, mutton and sugar. Last week, Australia's 140 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 11: National Farmers Federation called the deal as it stands a dud. 141 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 11: Europe meanwhile, wants Australia to stop using geographical indicators like prosecco, 142 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 11: parmesan and feta to describe some of its wine and cheese's. 143 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 11: Australia's Trade minister says negotiations will continue and he hopes 144 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 11: someday a deal can be signed. Paul Allen Bloomberg. 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: Radio Evergrind will face a make or break moment today 146 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: at a court hearing on liquidation in Hono. Bloomberg's Joan 147 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Wong has that story from Hong Kong. 148 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 5: The lawsuit here in Hong Kong has been lingering for 149 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: almost seventeen months. That's after multiple delays requested by Evergrand. 150 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 5: A group of creditors that have previously supported the firm's 151 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 5: restructuring plan is now wavering. The so called at HOWC 152 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: Block has yet to decide whether it'll speak out against 153 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 5: the winding up request. That's despite the fact they did 154 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 5: so previously. The creditors hold more than six billion dollars 155 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: of the builder's nineteen billion dollars of offshore notes. If 156 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 5: a wind of order is delivered, Evergrand could become the 157 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 5: biggest ever developer to face such a fate under Hong 158 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 5: Kong law in Hong Kong. Join Wang Bloomberg Radio. 159 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. I'm Brian Curtis along with 160 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: Rishad Salamat and our guest is Kirsten Fountain Rose, president 161 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: of Red six Solutions. Kristin, thanks very much for being 162 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: with us here live on the program. So Israel's push 163 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: into northern Gaza is perhaps a little more cautious than 164 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: was feared by some, but it's still coming under quite 165 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: a lot of criticism. How real is it in your 166 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: mind that the spread of this war continues. 167 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 12: The spread is very likely, but escalation is a separate issue. 168 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 12: So we're seeing activity by groups that are also backed 169 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 12: by Iran that constitute spread because they're happening on different fronts. 170 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 12: They're happening in Lebanon or drones are being fired from Yemen, 171 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 12: for example, But that doesn't necessarily mean we're looking at 172 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 12: escalation to a wider war. What this does look like 173 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 12: is that these groups, again backed by Iran, are trying 174 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 12: to spread Israel thin. They are trying to spread Israel's 175 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 12: capabilities to respond on multiple fronts, very very thin, to 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 12: force them to stay vigilant on all these different fronts, 177 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 12: spreading out their forces, spreading out their defensive technology systems 178 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 12: to make it easier for Hamas to fight them. So 179 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 12: it may not mean that these groups are getting involved 180 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 12: full scale into a regional war. It does though definitely. 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 12: We mean that they're trying to make the fight harder 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 12: for Israel at home against Hamas well. 183 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 8: Also here when we look at what's going on in 184 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 8: the region, you say spreading it, and Kristen, I mean 185 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 8: the role of Hezballah will be very important in the 186 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 8: future with regards to this and also very central to 187 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 8: what Iran has been saying of late. 188 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 12: Extremely important to your point, Hesbellah is a greater threat 189 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 12: than Hamas's to Israel. The US Treasury has designated over 190 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 12: sixteen hundred individuals and entities that are linked to terrorism 191 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 12: and terrorist financing by the Iranian regime, and it's milicious 192 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 12: across the Middle East, and Hasbela is the prominent one. 193 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 12: Iran gives roughly seven hundred million dollars a year to 194 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 12: support terrorist groups, including Hezbolah, and up to one hundred 195 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 12: million dollars annually to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups. 196 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 12: So with the involvement of something like Hasbulah as you 197 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 12: see getting seven times the amount of annual support from Iran. 198 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 12: They have stockpiled weapons and capabilities in tech anologies that 199 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 12: the other groups do not have, so they would be 200 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 12: a much more formidable foe if they chose to get involved. 201 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 12: This is why the US has said if they do 202 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 12: get involved in a way that Israel can't handle on 203 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 12: its own, the US could then potentially be pulled in, 204 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 12: which can then trigger something larger the regional escalation you're 205 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 12: talking about. 206 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: I wonder if other groups might feel a little different 207 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: given that Israel's stated goal here is a little different 208 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: than before. In the past, Hamas was often damaged but 209 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: left standing. This time, Israel is talking about destroying Hamas 210 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: once and for all. Is that realistic and does it 211 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: send a strong message to groups like Hesbelah? 212 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 12: It certainly does send a strong message and it impacts 213 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 12: their calculus. One of the things we don't know per 214 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 12: group is how it impacts it. There's two potential potential ways. 215 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 12: One is that these groups could say Israel has threatened 216 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 12: to completely destroy this organization that is a critical cog 217 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 12: in our network. We can't let that happen. So if 218 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 12: it looks like we're heading in that direction, we will 219 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 12: get involved. We will risk it all because we together 220 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 12: need to be a fighting force. This would be unprecedented, 221 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 12: so it would be unlikely. There's another option where they 222 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 12: would say, because Israel has decided they want to destroy 223 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 12: this organization, we have quite a bit to lose. Has 224 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 12: Bella right now runs a country. It is the power 225 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,119 Speaker 12: behind the government in Lebanon, and Lebanon has a failed economy, 226 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 12: it is not in a good place, but it still 227 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 12: sits at the head of the state in that government. 228 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 12: That would be quite a lot to risk if you're Hasbela, 229 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 12: do you want to put that on the line to 230 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 12: go to war with Israel and potentially the US, knowing 231 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 12: you could then lose everything for an organization that is 232 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 12: not necessarily critical to your survival or your own goals. 233 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 12: So we are trying to figure out constantly what do 234 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 12: each of these groups think is in it for them 235 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 12: to enter this fight more robustly. 236 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, we talk about these military responses, 237 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 8: but you know it's the same old playbook of violence, 238 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 8: begetting more violence. Surely there's a better way of dealing 239 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 8: with there must be an intelligent solution long term, rather 240 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 8: than this this circle we find ourselves in in the Middle. 241 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: East, you would hope. 242 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 10: So. 243 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 12: Unfortunately, one of the lessons we believe some of these 244 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 12: groups are learning is that terrorism works. So if you 245 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 12: allow Hamas to succeed, if you allow them to conduct 246 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 12: a strike like they did on October seventh and murder 247 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 12: as many civilians as they did in such a way, 248 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 12: and then you say we are going to answer that 249 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 12: with a calm that does not in any way impede 250 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 12: its ability to do that kind of strike again, then 251 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 12: you have sent them the message that you get what 252 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 12: you want by using terrorism. That's one of the things 253 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 12: that the US, Israel, and European and other governments are 254 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 12: thinking about. Now, how do we stop the bloodshed without 255 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 12: sending the message This has been an effective tactic on 256 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 12: the part of Hamas to draw more attention to the 257 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 12: grievances they had inside Israel. Can't let that end. So 258 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 12: and then making this more difficult, as I'm sure you've 259 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 12: discussed many times, is Hamas's use of humans for shields 260 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 12: making it very difficult for Israel to complete its stated 261 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 12: goals of going in and eliminating the leadership and their 262 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 12: ability to conduct terrorism from Israel. They build their bunkers 263 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 12: under hospitals and schools and mosques, so there will be 264 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 12: collateral damage when you go in to try to upgrade them. 265 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: So how do you balance that? 266 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 12: How much risk is any country willing to take with 267 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 12: their own civilians and with hostages from other countries. It's 268 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 12: very tough as well. 269 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 5: Right now. 270 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: It begs the question kirston if even though this is 271 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: a more limited response by Israel, it's starting to stretch 272 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: other countries sort of patients on this. Is Israel kind 273 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: of losing some of the the goodwill that it had 274 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: in the beginning of this. 275 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 12: They are losing some of the goodwill, and part of 276 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 12: that is because of a massive disinformation campaign that's been 277 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 12: quite effective by not only Iron and its proxies, but 278 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 12: also other adversaries of the US and the West that 279 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 12: are simply enjoying the luxury of amplifying some of that 280 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 12: disinformation because it makes their adversaries here in the West 281 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 12: look poorly. So you're seeing usage of footage from previous conflicts, 282 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 12: for instance, then attributed to Israeli IDF forces inaccurately. You're 283 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 12: seeing stories that are made up. There's enough bag going 284 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 12: on on the ground that this doesn't need to be done, 285 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 12: but we're seeing it. And this is then contributing to 286 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 12: this lack of empathy for Israel, and people are forgetting 287 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 12: what happened on October seventh, forgetting that Hamas threw this 288 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 12: first punch. It's also a David and Goliath thing. You know, 289 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 12: Israel is more capable, it is more militarily supported, so 290 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 12: it always looks like, you know, the underdog is always 291 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 12: the one you feel some sympathy for, and that does 292 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 12: make it hard. 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