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Speaker 1: this content out for you every single night. Well, here

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Speaker 1: we are with two and a half left to go

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and it is a one ten

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Speaker 1: They finally started hitting a couple of threes and it

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Speaker 1: looked like it could have been lights out for the

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Speaker 1: Thunder after a big turnover Tyre's Halliburton breaking down court,

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Speaker 1: it's an eight point lead. A hoop would make it

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Speaker 1: ten with just over two minutes left to go, and

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Speaker 1: Alex Caruso absolutely picks Tyre's Halliburton's pocket at mid court.

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Speaker 1: He picks up the ball, goes in for the layup.

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Speaker 1: They're looking at it right now to see if it

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Speaker 1: is a flagrant foul because he was kind of tomahawked

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Speaker 1: from behind. This could not only just cut it to

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Speaker 1: a six point lead, but it could be even closer

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Speaker 1: than that. So you go in this This possession is

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Speaker 1: absolutely huge because this was it could have been ten

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Speaker 1: points and that's it right like it's over, okay, and

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Speaker 1: instead now it could wind up being a five point

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Speaker 1: game when it's all said and done, off of what

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Speaker 1: There was no attempt at the ball, No, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a two hand chop over the top on Caruso trying

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Speaker 1: grabs him around the groin too, like he gets the

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Speaker 1: shot like like that, like I gotta think that's gonna

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the call there. Look, that would be

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Speaker 1: the and the bonus. Look Nee Smith comes back and

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Speaker 1: Like okay, you know Halliburton turns it over and they

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Speaker 1: go in for the layup, all right, but you got

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Speaker 1: to not make a bad play worse. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Neie Smith did by going in. Clearly, you could do

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Speaker 1: it with one hand, go in and try to Anthony arm.

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Speaker 1: But when you go in, both hands over the top,

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Speaker 1: over both of Caruso's shoulders, like I don't think you

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Speaker 1: have any choice but to make that make the ground

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Speaker 1: be absolutely shocked. If this wasn't ruled unintentional, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and creates chaos, right, that's that's against the extra shot.

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Speaker 1: As you said, the arm extended all the way down.

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Speaker 1: That that's just not right. He did it get wrong.

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Speaker 1: Now you wonder because so far tonight the calls have

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Speaker 1: are you What what I'm saying is that is that

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Speaker 1: has been to the free throw line six times, right,

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Speaker 1: and they they just showed he had a turnaround jumper

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Speaker 1: And Frostburg's telling me right now, somehow they're not calling

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Speaker 1: That's not a flagrant fowl. That really is Well it's funny,

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Speaker 1: these reviews like, oh yeah, that's intentional. It's like really

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Speaker 1: and this one it seems clear as day and doesn't

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Speaker 1: in the in the Thunderbolts asterisks where at the end

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Speaker 1: Adventures exactly where where where you see this? Uh you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: oh wait wait they're the Thunderbolts. They're the new Avengers. Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: like like like Tony Brothers has become like the new Extender,

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Speaker 1: you know, like true, I mean, look, you need more

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Speaker 1: the Avengers aren't available. No, that is true. That is true.

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Speaker 1: I mean right to stay with the Thunderbolts theme. I

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Speaker 1: mean they might not be available other battles. The Avengers

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Speaker 1: he is not coming to this game, right, just just

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Speaker 1: Like you regret that Scott for what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely fine. Well, I mean, is she on a

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Speaker 1: cameo or any of those services? Hey? Could you read

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Speaker 1: commercial purposes? Baby? My goodness? So again one ten one four, Uh,

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Speaker 1: SGA just put up a really bad force jumper that

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Speaker 1: go down the floor for a layup, and it's a

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Speaker 1: was a you know, the big push from from experts

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Speaker 1: Pacer are doing. No, this is a series again. The

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Speaker 1: series is going seven right because each team is gonna

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Speaker 1: have their nights where they can impose their will on

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Speaker 1: still scoring twenty five a game off the bench. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: the guy's got a gun. He's got twenty five tonight,

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Speaker 1: he's nine out of twelve. He's keeping them in this

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Speaker 1: They've hit nine threes tonight and somehow he's kept them

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Speaker 1: would play better in Game three, and that is clearly

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Speaker 1: got ten and five assists from TJ McConnell, eight and

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Speaker 1: six from Obi Topping, clearly out playing the entire bench

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Speaker 1: watched the Thunder adjust from game one to game two.

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Speaker 1: They will adjust here. It's not gonna be another day

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Speaker 1: where SGA gets the free throw line six times. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they'll impose their will on the game. In game four,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna go seven Like this is This is not

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Speaker 1: a series where it's, oh, hey, the Pacers are gonna

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Speaker 1: these late offensive possessions by SGA that we've chronicled along

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Speaker 1: the way. But for the Pacers, you know, the key

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Speaker 1: for the the McConnell line. He's got ten points, he's

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Speaker 1: got five steals, right, so create a havoc taking away possessions,

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Speaker 1: now you know he's gotten involved and you're looking at

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Speaker 1: addition to the six of nine shooting from three point

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Speaker 1: a Pacer squad and Halliburton, you know, he's up over

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Speaker 1: in so many ways. He had that terrible turnover and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about whether it should have been an intentional foul,

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Speaker 1: but assists, rebounds and controlling pace of play all night long.

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Speaker 1: Uh So one twelve, one oh five, the Thunder have

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Speaker 1: the basketball after a missed free throw with thirty five

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Speaker 1: seconds left to go, and yes it's the matherin game. Right,

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Speaker 1: we've seen Halliburton series against and look, you want to

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Speaker 1: had the entire playoff. Right, Siaka has been really good.

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Speaker 1: He's had a couple of games Halliburton obviously getting all

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Speaker 1: But like, if you say, what, what's the biggest juice

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Speaker 1: that is that that has hit this team, this is

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Speaker 1: that Matthick who's had been a really good, you know,

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Speaker 1: really good bench guy, and you have aged sixteen points

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Speaker 1: a game, which is terrific. But he has been otherworldly

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Speaker 1: been a player who feeds off of the you overlook me,

425
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: you overrate me, right, that'll the thirteen sell said he

426
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: was the most overrated player. Moncey Bolanos is buying T shirt.

427
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: He's probably hit. Bonzi bought like ten of those Halliburton

428
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 1: T shirts. She's got the next decade. Overrate this, right,

429
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: And Halliburton's been at the forefront of that. Right. He's

430
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: been of Hey, you know what I am. When when

431
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: you when you overlook me or you think I'm not great,

432
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: that's motivation for me. And I talked about how you'll

433
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: listen when you're truly one of the greats, you gotta

434
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: do it every game, right, You can't just hey, now

435
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm motivating right now, You got to give it to

436
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: me every game. But overall, why are the Pacers this good? Right?

437
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: Why are the pick? They're a fifty win team, they

438
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs, and all of a sudden they

439
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: play like they have a chip on their shoulder because,

440
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: you know why, because most of their players do. Right,

441
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: you'd want to talk about a team that's filled with

442
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: guys that have been overlooked or not getting the attention

443
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: they deserve. Right, you have Halliburton, right, who was drafted

444
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: by the Kings, gets traded to the Pacers, and he

445
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: had a pretty good first year and a half of Sacramento.

446
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: But then he gets traded the Pacers. All of a sudden,

447
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: he blossoms right, scores six more points a game, and

448
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: now he's an all NBA type player back to back years,

449
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: completely overlooked. Pascal siakam right, Okay, Saka was a really

450
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: good player, but well, Kawhi Leonard is better and Fred

451
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: Van Vliet was better. Siaka was kind of a glue guy. Hey,

452
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: really talented, No guess what overlooked his career. Look at

453
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: where he is right now and he plays He's playing

454
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: like Peek Kevin Durant over the course of right, do

455
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: you have Matherin of course coming off the bench, who

456
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's playing for a big contract someplace else

457
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: where I can go and be a starter. Right, This

458
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: is Mattherin being motivated because hey, I'm overlooked. I should

459
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: be a starter somewhere in the TJ. McConnell's been overlooked

460
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: his entire career. And I play like I'm the guy

461
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: in the pickup game that you absolutely hate because my

462
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: motor always goes and I treat you with disdain and

463
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: you are the most hated player. Just seeing TJ McConnell

464
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: dribble the ball on the court, you hate him, right,

465
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: But oh we said that going back to the fort

466
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: long before he vanquished your Knicks. But he's everything you

467
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: want in a player like that. It's everything you want

468
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: in McConnell, who comes in and his motor is at

469
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: a million. Obi Toppin right, overlooked by the Knicks. Well,

470
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: I hey, first round pick came in. The Knicks you know,

471
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: brought him along really slow. But then it was what

472
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: are we gonna do because we have Julius Randall playing

473
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: your position. Obi Toppin never got the chance to play

474
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: enough minutes. Overlooked goes to the pacers, Right, these are

475
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: these are their most These are some of their most

476
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: important guys who are here that that are that are

477
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: that are able to play and are able to succeed. Right,

478
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: And then you have guys like Nee Smith and and

479
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: and I can't say his name because of the three

480
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: less times hard right, but I mean like and and

481
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: even even the still miracle from last year. But now,

482
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: but you have a guy like Miles Turner who's played

483
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: his entire career in Indiana, right, and he's came in, Hey,

484
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: he could might maybe he could be the next superstar player.

485
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: But instead he's been a nice thirteen to fifteen point

486
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: a game guy for his career. But still, hey, now

487
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: I am here in the spotlight for the first time

488
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: in the finals. And even though he has a bad game,

489
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: it seems like he always hits a three at some

490
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: point in the game. That makes no sense, right, But

491
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: you know that's to a lesser extent. But you look

492
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: at some of the guys who just talked about, they've

493
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: all been overlooked, they've all been overrated or all, Yay,

494
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: maybe you're not as great as we think you are,

495
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: and they all feed off of that. I look at

496
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: a team that when I see the Pacers play, they

497
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: are hungrier than the other team on the court at

498
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: all times. And it doesn't matter, Hey, Halliburton and Siakam

499
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: come out of the game, doesn't matter because here comes Topping,

500
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: here comes McConnell, here comes Matherin, and they they pick

501
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: up that they kick into that next year when they

502
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: come on the court. Okay, great, and they they keep playing,

503
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: They keep reving that engine at the top and when

504
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter comes, every buddy's fresh because they play rotation.

505
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: So it's not like, boy Halliburton looks like Brunton at

506
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: the end where he's dribbling up the ball, it looks

507
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: like a fifty five year old man because he's been

508
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: playing heavy minutes the whole game. No, they are there

509
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: at the end and they're all fresh because everybody contributes.

510
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: They are just hungrier. The overlooked players are always hungrier.

511
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: And this is a perfect moment in time where the

512
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Pacers have all of these players at one time and

513
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: you're seeing it right now. Yeah, I think to pull

514
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: it back just to that next level is then you

515
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: look at Rick Carlisle. I don't know that Adam Silver

516
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: wants to hear this because I know he's been doing

517
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: his media rounds so that it's like it's showing again

518
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: your regular season. We shouldn't really read a whole lot

519
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: into it, and there's a lot of basketball to be played.

520
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm not vanquishing the Thunder, but we're encapsulating things where

521
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: we stand in this moment. The eighty one percent likelihood

522
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: of finishing again, the Thunder came into the series minus

523
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: seven hundred favorites. You should triple underscore that as you will.

524
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: But the Rick Carlisle appreciation post and recognizing again it's

525
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: all about pacing and being ready for your second season. Right.

526
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: While they finished in the middle of the pack as

527
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: far as playoff teams go for the Eastern Conference, they've

528
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: had the best record other than the Thunder since the

529
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: first of January, Right, So fifty wins doesn't matter, right,

530
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: Look what happened with Cleveland, Ah a lot of wins.

531
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: Nobody cares you go home, you play hard, you finish.

532
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: So it's something we've been talking about a little bit

533
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, right in terms of load management and

534
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: all those other things. In terms of pulling the strings.

535
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: When we look at Rick Carlile, maybe there's a greater

536
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: appreciation for the coach he is coming out of this run, win, loser, draw,

537
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: whatever this series ends up at this point, and what

538
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: he's been able to do with this roster, whatever the

539
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: motivation is. Externally, Yeah, Halliburton's had plenty of things and

540
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: bulletin board material and thought pieces off TV and sports

541
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: talk radio and in the blogg Is sphere that we seen,

542
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: but being able to know when to insert macom right

543
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: when we need that energy matherin, all right, go get

544
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: it right, it's now your time and just keep shooting right.

545
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: And he's he's been highly efficient in his minutes. But

546
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: to trust that you're going to be able to spell

547
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: where there's not the anxious moment. How many times do

548
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: we see say your knicks. Brunson's there like he's he's

549
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: waiting for the bell to ring, like all right, let

550
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: me back in, let me come on, tag me back

551
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: in already, whereas Haliburton's just sitting down waiting. It's like,

552
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: all right, you ready, Yeah, it's your time, go back in.

553
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Like there's a it's a more measured approach versus break

554
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: glass in case of emergency. Well yeah, hey, we we

555
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: were lying. Look and Jalen Brunson is a bigger superstar.

556
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: But but the Pacers, they have a numerous guys that

557
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: can make trust of that balance. Halliburton is the big one,

558
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. The end of the game. Could

559
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: be Siakam, it could be Halliburton does is great at

560
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: getting his own shot, even in tight covered so that's

561
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: why you default to him, Jalen. That's why the Knicks

562
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: to fault to Jalen Brunston. But Brunson's not giving the

563
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: ball up like Halliburton. Give it up to Siakam, give

564
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: it up to Nen Bark, give it up to to Nismith,

565
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: give it up to to anybody, right, Matt, I'd be

566
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: happy if Mathern's taking the final shot of it. Give

567
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: it off to We're gonna keep going on. I mean,

568
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: he's mad, but it's there's a there's a difference. You

569
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: see that everybody wants the ball, right, Everybody wants the ball, right,

570
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: look Sga wants the ball, right, Chet wants the ball.

571
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Everybody wants the ball. But I see, I don't see

572
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: that absolute blood in your eye, hungriness at give me

573
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: the ball. Then I'm seeing from the pacers, and again

574
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: it's a big moment in time for them because clearly,

575
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: look as time goes on, Obie Toppin's gonna want a

576
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: big contract. He wants to start somewhere. Matherin's gonna want

577
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: a big contract, start somewhere. All these things are gonna

578
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: have to happen. But right now they have that great

579
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: mix of a great rotation that we can go eight

580
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: to nine deep and that pace of play doesn't change

581
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: at all. There's no hey, we hope to steal a

582
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: couple of minutes right Like to use the Knicks for

583
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: an example, when Brunson goes to the bench, the Knicks hope, hey,

584
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: can we steal or four minutes and keep the score

585
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: the way it is still, let's keep where it is.

586
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Where the pacers they change, it's like, hey, McConnell and

587
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: Toppin and Matheren committed and say let's push this lead out.

588
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: It's almost like like the Warriors in the very beginning

589
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: of their dynasty, where hey, you feel like you're getting

590
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: a breather when Stephan Clay go to the bench, but no,

591
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: here comes Sean Livingston and and iguidala and suddenly it's Hey,

592
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: their bench comes in and a twelve point lead. When

593
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the when the starters come back in, Oh, it's a

594
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: sixteen point lead. Like this is what that reminds me of,

595
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: And it's the their absolute hunger and they're playing at

596
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: that pad. This is a perfect moment in time for them,

597
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: for the way this team has been put together. And

598
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: I give Rick Carlyle a lot of a lot of credit.

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: In fact, I can't believe in the postgame press conference

600
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: James Dolan's not going to be there asking Rick Carlyle, Hey,

601
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: do you want to leave me become my head coach? Now?

602
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Is that James Dolan in the beard and glasses? No,

603
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: it's not mean he starts playing harmonica. He's wearing a

604
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: trench coat like a boom box over his head with

605
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: some song. I expect that to happen. Hey, Rick, do

606
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: you want to come? Do you want to come coach

607
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the next next year? Really? I mean, I mean, I know,

608
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: come the finals and when they're the next to deny

609
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the request, right, yeah, I mean, hey, I know you're

610
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: down to one, but hey, we got okay, I will wait,

611
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: We'll wait. Okay, that's fine. We'll wait a little bit.

612
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: We'll wait little bit. It's okay, It's okay. I mean, look,

613
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: and even Rick Carlile when you want to talk about

614
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: guys who have been overlooked, Like Rick carl has been

615
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: a great coach entire career. But Rick Carlile's that you know?

616
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: Did you mentioned Rick Carlile's name when its name of

617
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: great coach in the NBA? No, we talk about Kerr

618
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: and we talk about Spolstra and Jason Kidd's gotten a

619
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: lot of run the last week games. You talk about

620
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: Greg Popovic, But does Rick Carlyle get a lot of run? Known?

621
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Speaker 1: He's been a great idea is a long time right, alright?

622
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: He is a champion. Is a guy with a lot

623
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: of fifty win seasons under his belt. I mean there's

624
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot, there's a lot to there's a lot to

625
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: say for putting a bunch of talented guys together who

626
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: are overlooked. And you can buy in for that, right,

627
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: You can't buy in for a long period of time,

628
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: Like that's not a four or five year buy in.

629
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: It's more of a moment in time. But that's all

630
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: the Pacers care about right now, is this moment in

631
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: time right, and then you find the next batch of guys.

632
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Speaker 1: If you have that run of continuity and Carlisle still

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Speaker 1: getting after it, you go find the next batch of

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Speaker 1: guys that have been discarded and are disgrundled and get

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Speaker 1: them to play the same way. Exit out about a

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Speaker 1: Fresco exit swollen down the Jason Smith Show with my

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Speaker 1: best friend Mike Harmon. Time got to find out what's

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Speaker 1: trending in the wide rule of sports with someone who's

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Speaker 1: been called the Obie Top in a Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: She can dunk?

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Speaker 3: What's that brand?

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Speaker 2: Fisher Price?

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Speaker 1: A Fisher Price? Yeah, I was like, what's the toy brand? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I can definitely don't want you dunk on a six

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Speaker 1: foot rim? Maybe fe okay, you can jump. I can't jump.

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Speaker 3: I can jump.

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Speaker 1: I've never, I've never. You know, I don't know at

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Speaker 1: least the mini basketball, whether we're there the controls there

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Speaker 1: for the full Yeah, yeah, I think honestly, Yeah, five

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Speaker 1: and a half foot rim.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. Then at that I'm going, you know,

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Speaker 3: under my leg and doing a.

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Speaker 1: Sixty with a slam dunk contest. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, going to a courtyard near you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: It's like Kenny sky Walker, just between your legs exactly,

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Speaker 1: helicopter dunch, show.

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Speaker 3: That or a little maybe, you know, Vince Carter put

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Speaker 3: my whole elbow in it. I could do all those things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna basically perform as well as the Pacers did

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter against the Thunder in Game three

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Speaker 3: of the NBA Finals. You know, Thunder were up going

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Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter, not by a lot, but they

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Speaker 3: were up with five or six points or something like that.

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Speaker 3: But the Pacers ended up outscoring them thirty two to

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Speaker 3: eighteen to win Game three. Indiana takes a two to

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Speaker 3: one series lead. Uh. Pacers also protected the ball way

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Speaker 3: better than they did and especially in Game one, only

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Speaker 3: thirteen turnovers while OKC the TV had eighteen turnovers. ESPN

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Speaker 3: has seventeen turnovers. But yeah, a lot of turnovers for

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Speaker 3: OKAC in this one. Other NBA news, the Sons and

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, along with his reps, have begin talks and

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Speaker 3: moving him out of Phoenix this offseason. Some of the

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Speaker 3: teams that could be possible destinations Rockets, Spurs, Timberwolves. He

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Speaker 3: and the Necks. Hey, the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: Looking for a coach, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they get KD and he can be a coach too.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, you.

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Speaker 1: Think he would say no to that. He would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go, let's get contract Ray.

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Speaker 3: So they're still looking for a coach, but they've been

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Speaker 3: denied permission to speak to Bulls head coach, MAVs head coach,

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Speaker 3: and Hawk's head coach, so they're still looking. Celtics guard

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Speaker 3: Jalen Brown had author Scopprick surgery on his knee, but

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Speaker 3: he's expected to be ready by the start of training camp.

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Speaker 3: In Major League Baseball, one game that was still going

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Speaker 3: on and it is still Giants on top of the

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Speaker 3: Rockies ten to seven. It is the bottom of the

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Speaker 3: ninth inning in Colorado and the Rockies have a man

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Speaker 3: on first base, but they are down to their final out.

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Speaker 3: The Astros all over the White Sox ten to two

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Speaker 3: was the final score. The Twins outscore the Rangers six

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Speaker 3: to two. The Yankees defeated the Royal six to three.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Judge with home run number twenty five on the season.

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Speaker 3: The Mets shut up the Nationals five zero. They have

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Speaker 3: a record of forty four and twenty four, and it

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Speaker 3: edges the Tigers, who have a record of forty four

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Speaker 3: and twenty five. They lost today to the Orioles ten

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Speaker 3: to one.

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Speaker 1: It edges them for what, Monci. It edges the Tigers

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Speaker 1: out for what.

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Speaker 3: For the best record in base one? Ah record in

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Speaker 3: base fine.

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Speaker 1: Just beat the Padres in San Diego five to two.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, guys, play you runch MONSI, Jason Smith,

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon live from the tire rack dot Com Studios.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, we stick with the NBA. Yes, still

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Speaker 1: more breakdown of what we saw from the Thunder and

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Speaker 1: the and the Pacers tonight. But straight ahead, there is

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Speaker 1: one player who has now unanimously been named as this

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Speaker 1: is the guy that's gonna solve all your problems next year.

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Speaker 1: He's not tell you why. Jason and Mike Fox call

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Speaker 1: the Bucks four Doc, Just call the box for Doc.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific Fox.

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon. We get back in the Game three of

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals coming up in ten minutes, A fearless

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Speaker 1: bold prediction for Game four, after we just watched the

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Speaker 1: Pacers take Game three, two games to one lead. Winner

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Speaker 1: of Game three, people go to one. You win the

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Speaker 1: finals eighty one percent of the time. Eighty eighty one.

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Speaker 1: But how about that big bull prediction ten minutes away. Meanwhile, look,

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Speaker 1: there's three stories in the NBA all going on. Concurrently,

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Speaker 1: you have the NBA Finals, the Nicks incredibly embarrassing search

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Speaker 1: for a head coach that continues to show you there's

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Speaker 1: no such thing as rock bottom. We hit the floor

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Speaker 1: and we continue to dig, and with free agency trades

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Speaker 1: coming up around the corner, Kevin Durant apparently is going

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Speaker 1: to solve everybody's problem. Right, no matter what your team is,

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Speaker 1: and whatever the composition is, he's the guy, right, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Today we saw the story break that Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant and the Suns are weighing trade options right. Teams

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Speaker 1: that potentially are interested in Kevin Durant include the Rockets,

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Speaker 1: the Spurs, the Heat, the Timberwolves, the Knicks. Also, according

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Speaker 1: to Sean Stranias, several other suitors made inquiries on Durant

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Speaker 1: the past seven to ten days. Okay, Now I want

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Speaker 1: to tap the brakes on this for a second, because

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Speaker 1: I look, I'm clearly clearly the Knicks are gonna wind

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Speaker 1: up with with Kevin Durant. So, okay, I saw him

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Speaker 1: shopped into a pistage jersey or hey, Piston, why not, right, Pisson?

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Speaker 1: Is he to score like that or what? I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the all the the sudden belief that Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: can help all these teams to a title like this

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Speaker 1: is not twenty nineteen, Okay, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: thirty seven year old Kevin do thirty seven in a row,

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Speaker 1: who was still a terrific scorer. Right, Kevin does still

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Speaker 1: terrific scorer, still a good enough defender. Okay, But how

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Speaker 1: do you think suddenly you're gonna PLoP him on your

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Speaker 1: team and suddenly you're going to win. Kevin Durant hasn't

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Speaker 1: been a difference maker in six years. Six years. Last

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Speaker 1: time was a difference maker was with the Warriors, then

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: blew out his achilles, went to Brooklyn. Was he a

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Speaker 1: difference maker there?

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: And he had great players he played with, right, didn't

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Speaker 1: work out? It was him and it was Harden and

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Speaker 1: it was Simmons and it was Kyrie. Didn't work. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I go to Phoenix, Guess what, you got great players there,

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Speaker 1: you got Booker, and now you bring in Bradley Beale.

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Speaker 1: Guess what. They couldn't do anything either. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like he went to teams that he's their lone star

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Speaker 1: and I can't lift them because it's just me. He

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Speaker 1: was on teams with other stars. Did they have any

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Speaker 1: playoff success. I don't know why people suddenly think, just

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Speaker 1: because he potentially wants out of Phoenix, that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a big difference maker. I don't understand. I

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Speaker 1: don't get I guess he is a terrific scorer. He

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Speaker 1: is still a terrific player. But he's played on teams

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Speaker 1: with really good talent the last six years and they

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Speaker 1: haven't gone anywhere. But suddenly he's gonna show up in

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Speaker 1: Houston and San Antonio and Miami or the Knicks in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota and they're gonna be great because KD is there.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've seen it. He's a guy that gets

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Speaker 1: his points, he gets his numbers, he gets his stats right.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like Lebron James up until when when

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Speaker 1: when the Lakers traded for Luca Hey, Lebron gets his,

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Speaker 1: But is he leading the Lakers anywhere? No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: And KD KD gets his, but is he leading teams anywhere?

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Speaker 1: He's not. But just because KD wants out something, he's

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Speaker 1: really any team could have had him when he went

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Speaker 1: to the w went to the Suns and was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about it. But now suddenly a couple

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Speaker 1: of years later and he's older. Yes, Kevin Durant's the guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. KD is still a terrific scorer, right, great

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Speaker 1: player his entire career. But I'm looking at my team.

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Speaker 1: I want to take that next level jump, and all

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Speaker 1: these teams I just talked about want to take that

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Speaker 1: next level jump. Right, The Rockets want to become a

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Speaker 1: title contender, the Knicks one to become an NBA Finals winner.

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Speaker 1: So do the Tea Wolves. Kevin Durant's that guy. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: he's not. I what last six years I've watched he

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00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: doesn't raise teams level of play enough to do it.

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Speaker 1: But even he circle back a couple of years ago, right,

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Speaker 1: even in Brooklyn, they won at a pretty decent clip

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Speaker 1: when he played, looking at two thirds of their games,

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Speaker 1: What does it matter when you're playing over one hundred

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Speaker 1: games on the year. How many is he missing? Is

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Speaker 1: he ready for prime time? And what's it take to

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Speaker 1: bring him in at this point in terms of roster

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Speaker 1: composition where you're going, Would it be intriguing to watch

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Speaker 1: him with San Antonio and the rozah Ghoul Wemby, Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: Taron Fox and what they've assembled there, Vassal, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got a pretty good squad that's been put together. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to watch it, but does it win? I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many of those guys are available for

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Speaker 1: a full season and going through the rigors of the

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Speaker 1: Western Conference? Right if he goes to New York intriguing?

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Speaker 1: What's that roster composition look like? How many games am

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Speaker 1: I getting out of him? All of these things? No

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Speaker 1: matter what? Like that's the the ultimate question. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: he looking like in April and May? What's that roster

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Speaker 1: look like in April? Yeah? I mean, look, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: worry about his help, But I'm just saying, just if

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, let's save he's out. What does he done?

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Speaker 1: How does he he hasn't fit in with any team

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Speaker 1: to take them anywhere. Right Like he get he gets

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Speaker 1: his points. That's what he does. He gets his points

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Speaker 1: at this point. That's what he does in his career.

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Speaker 1: Is Hee a guy willing to come in and be

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Speaker 1: like a fourth or fifth option to where you've got

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Speaker 1: team depth. I don't know, like Indiana or O Casey. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean really, but everybody thinks suddenly, oh, Kevin Durants

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Speaker 1: the guy. Go get Kevin Ray. Yeah, okay, good luck

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Speaker 1: he's good for us, though, good luck. It's grat He's

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Speaker 1: always been blunt. You don't like it, He's great. No,

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Speaker 1: you don't like it. Don't watch Exit about a Fresca

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Speaker 1: exit swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Carman live from the

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Studios. Coming up next, a Big Bowl

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Speaker 1: prediction for Game four and boy are we going bold?

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Speaker 1: That's next. Jason and Mike, you're listening