1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: It's seven o'clock on a Wednesday night at the Cowboys 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Club at the Star in Frisco, and it is time 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys Legends Show. Bill Joe's along with Mickey Spagnola, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: who has outdone himself this season. If we don't have 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers as our Legends guest, we have Hall 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: of Fame finalists as our Legends guest. Everybody here at 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys Club and all across the Cowboys Radio Network 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: SALLO to our Cowboys Legends guest tonight, Gil Brandt, the 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists. Hello, Gil, how you doing. 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, Phil, And thanks for having me. Thanks 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Mickey for having me. I appreciate it absolutely. We're glad 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to have you. And we're just gonna put you in 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame right now. We're just FINALI now 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: stop right there. Remember Hillary Cronton was going to get elected. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Just remember that. Well, the news came down in August, 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that as we go over the 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: course of the next hour here on the Cowboys Legend 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Show that Gil had been named Hall of Fame finalists. 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Law with Broncos owner Pat Boland. We'll talk about that 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: as we go along, but we'll kick things off talking 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: about the current Cowboys, who of course take on Jacksonville 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: at at and T Stadium three twenty five, kickoff on 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. After that overtime loss to Houston Gil. I'd 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: love to get your take right off the bat on 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: what you're seeing out of this Cowboy team through five games. Well, Bill, 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: let me go back for just a second. You know, 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: I went to thirteen different training camps this offseason, and 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: Jacksonville was one of the games teams that I went 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: to see. I spent two days there, So if you 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: want to know anything about Jacksonville, I can help you 31 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: a little bit there too. All right, I'm taking notes. 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: You know. The first of all, the competitive balance in 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: the National Football League is unbelievable. One play, you know, 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: let's let's go with the Giants, and I picked the 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Giants to win the East before the season started. And 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're ahead with two pins left to play 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: against Carolina and Grant Canoe goes in and kicks a 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: sixty three yard field goal. And it's been that way 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: all the time. I told Mickey earlier today that we've 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: had it's after at week five, which this week. This passed. 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: It's the first time since nineteen ninety that every team 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: has had to win. Since nineteen ninety, it was what 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: it is. So I think you're seeing the teams that 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: are as I say, the balance is really really good 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: and they you know, Jacksonville didn't match up real good 46 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: against Kansas City last week and they actually ran for 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: They had over five hundred yards of offense. And one 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: of the strange things is is that how do two 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: teams like New Orleans and Jacksonville, I mean, excuse me 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: in Kansas City continue to win when both of them 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: give up over five hundred yards a game. It's just 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. I you know, every Monday and every Tuesday, 53 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: when I look at all these tapes, I just can't 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: believe what goes on in the National Football League. You know, 55 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys I thought that they have a 56 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: good chance to make the playoffs, and I still think 57 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: they do. I don't think that right now. You know, 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: the two and three record is that meaningful. I think 59 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: you can overcome it. I do think Washington is pretty good. 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is pretty good. Philadelphia's got a lot 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: of injured guys, now right now, it's what they've got 62 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: and you've already beaten the Giants once. And you know, 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that when you want to get into 64 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs, make sure you win your own division or 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: win the games in your own division, because those are 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: the ones that count. So I think that as we 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: sit here, I think the Cowboys have as good a 68 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: chance as anybody in the East to get into the 69 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: playoffs and even win the East. Based on what you 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: think this team is? The personnel, what do you what 71 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: do you base that on? Well, you know, first of all, 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: I think the quarterback. I don't think he's as good 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: as he was in sixteen when he was thirteen and three, 74 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think he's as bad as he is 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: right now when they're two and three. I think he's 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: somewhere in between. And and you know, last week, and 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I thought the biggest play of the game, and I 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: guess I'm wrong, was when number fifty two was called 79 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: for holding. It was first and ten on the thirty 80 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: three yard line. We had about a twelve yard run 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: out of the running back and we got called for holding. 82 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: So instead of being on the forty five yard line 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: and first down, all of a sudden, we're back to 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: the twenty three yard line. It's what we are. And 85 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: then you know, a tip pass over Austin's head and 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: Reid made the interception, is what it did. And so 87 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: I think the game could have gone both ways. I 88 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: was really I thought Smith played as good a job 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: as anybody seen this year at linebacker. You know, the 90 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: guy had twelve tackles and a tackle for loss and 91 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: forced fumbles and you just did everything. And I was 92 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: really pleased to win. The other linebacker, Van Ernesh played, 93 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: So I thought those two linebackers played really good. You know. 94 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: The thing that surprised me a little bit about Houston 95 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: was how good their right tackle, a guy from Appalachian 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: State that was an undrafted free agent blocked your best 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher. And here's a guy who's found so many 98 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents through the years, going back to when 99 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: he started even before this time with the Cowboys, which 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: of course started in nineteen sixty, twenty nine years with 101 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Can you believe it's been twenty nine years 102 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: since you were with the Cowboys and you're by the way, 103 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: gill Is, as most of you know who are National 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Football League fans, guilt to this day is very active 105 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: in fact that they're leading up to the draft. You 106 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: are all over the country and keeping everybody abreast of 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: all these draft prospects. But twenty nine years, it's amazing 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: how many How about all time flies? Well, Bill, I've 109 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: got a few jobs that are related to three forty 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: five Park Avenue, and one of them is that I 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: invite the players to uh to the city that the 112 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: draft is going to be held. And it is really 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: a great adventure to do that. Uh. You know, we 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: have mothers that want to come, we have sons that 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: are afraid to come because they're going to be sitting 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: there and in the second round. And we've really done 117 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: pretty well, uh as far as bringing people uh that 118 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, like as an example, we brought the the 119 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher from UT San Antonio this year, Parcus Davidport. 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Two years ago, we brought the Neil from from Florida 121 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: to uh to to to an Atlanta draft and really 122 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: number twenty two really a good player. And and so 123 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: it's it's been really a lot of fun doing it. 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: You get to meet parents and get to meet the kids, 125 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: and you know, all of a sudden, Rosen has become 126 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: one of my pen pals, Josh Rosen enough and so 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: it's great. And then I'm you know, involved in the 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm involved in the combine, uh, and I 129 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: don't know a couple of other things too. It's what 130 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: I am. And you know right now that we're going 131 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: to have a huge, huge hundred years celebration next year, 132 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: and we've already done a whole bunch of it. I 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: finished doing a segment last week and our segment with 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, and then Bill Belichick and I are in 135 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: a committee to uh to pick the top one hundred 136 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: players of all time who in the National Football League. 137 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: So it's a lot of fun. Sounds like you're staying busy. 138 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm staying out of and you keep doing this no wonder. Uh. 139 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: You know, you got the nominee for a contributor for 140 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame and not us for 141 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: what you did with the Cowboys. But even afterwards, over 142 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: these twenty nine years, well, Mickey, you know, I'm really 143 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: kind of pleased that we did a lot of things 144 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: first and you know, one of the things, and he 145 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: doesn't get enough credit for it, was Clinton Murkison gave 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: us the money and the wherewithal to do things. You know, 147 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two we started our own computer company 148 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: and people laughed at us. And when we drafted mel Renfroll, 149 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: we held up the draft for six hours when we 150 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: send a doctor, doctor Slocum, from Portland down to Eugene 151 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: to check his risk, to be sure it was okay, 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: because you don't want to draft a ball carrier. It's 153 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: got a bad risk. And penns Lombardi came by our 154 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: table and said, what's wrong? Did your computer breakdown? Vince? 155 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: It's running. About three years later he came up and 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: he said, you know, Gilly said, I'd be interested in 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: joining that venture for the computer. I said, well, thence 158 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: it costs you three million dollars to buy it. He said, 159 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm that interested. Six hours he had 160 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: to drive from from from from and that's what the 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: rule now is. Because of that, we sent the doctor 162 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: doctor Slocum from Portland to Eugene, which is about one 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: hundred and some one miles and back back. That we 164 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: held up draft up that length of time and they 165 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: let you do it. There were no there were rules 166 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: against it. And then you know the interesting thing about 167 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: it is is we drafted Mail on the second round, 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: and well, I'll go back even farther. We had a 169 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: commitment on a Paul Warfield to be our first pick. 170 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: H And what happened on the morning of the draft 171 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and it came during the middle of the season. 172 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: It came on that weekend after after Thanksgiving on Monday morning. 173 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: Coach linea calm and he said, I know you're not 174 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: gonna like this. And I said, what's that? Coach? He said, 175 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: we need a veteran wide receiver and I've just made 176 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: a trade with Pittsburgh to get Buddy Dial and he 177 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: said he'll be the guy that can help us right now. 178 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: So Art Modell got angry with us because we made 179 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: a deal with Warfield, a signing deal and had Dante 180 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: Lavelli sitting there to do it a deal, and he 181 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: complained about it. And then he ended up paying about 182 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars more than we did, and he was 183 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: complaining about the deal that we did to get him right, 184 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: to get him in. That's amazing to take us back 185 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: to when you were first hired by the Cowboys in 186 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: text Ram. Now you had previously worked with Tex right 187 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: with the Rams. Yeah, yeah, back in the fifties. Right. Well, 188 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: let me let me tell you how I got to 189 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. In October nineteen fifty nine, Text called me 190 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: and he said, I got a job for you. And 191 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: I said, Text, I don't know anything about television because 192 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: he's the time was running CBS and was involved in 193 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: putting the Squaw Valley Olympics on him. And he said no, no, 194 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: He said, we're gonna have a We're gonna have a 195 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: team in Dallas. And he said I'm gonna run the thing, 196 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: and I want you to come to work for me. 197 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: And I said that's good. He said, not just one thing. 198 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Steal as much from the Rams as you can so 199 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: we can go out and sign all these free agents 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: and so so anyway, with Texts, everything was easy. He said, 201 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: now you know Bob Blackman at Dartmouer, that that'd be 202 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: really easy. We'll go up and sign that guy. I'd 203 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: be really easy. So I took a train up to 204 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: White River Junction, Vermont, and went over the nineteen Lime 205 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: Roads where Bob Blackman house was, and and uh, my 206 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: guy was sitting there. And but little did I know 207 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: that he was also had been the first round draft 208 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: choice of the San Diego of the LA Chargers. And 209 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: so I'm bidding for Jake crow Famil, the running back 210 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: from Dartmouth, and uh I signed him. I won this 211 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: recruiting battle against Frank Leahy, and I signed him. And 212 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm give him seventy five hundred dollars, not just just 213 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: a contract if he made the team. And I couldn't 214 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: wait to get across the street to the White Barry 215 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: and I think it was and and and get my 216 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: quarters and drop him in there and tell texts we 217 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: just signed our first guy. First question, how much we paid? 218 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: I said, Ticks, you have to understand. I don't. I 219 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: don't want to understand anything. I just want to be paid. 220 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: I said, seventy five hundred dollars. He said him, I 221 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: guess I can't trust you will be broke. Uh And 222 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: and you know now, seventy five hundred dollars free agents 223 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: getting more than that for signing. 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Cowboys 233 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: Legends Show from the Cowboys Club here at the Star 234 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: in Frisco. We're here each and every Wednesday night from 235 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: seven to eight o'clock Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola, and 236 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: we've got the great Gil Brandt with us tonight until 237 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: eight o'clock. You can catch Gil by the way normally 238 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: on Wednesday nights on Sirius XM NFL Radio. You're on 239 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: what from six to ten o'clock every wednes to ten 240 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: on Saturday. On Friday nights, they've extended us an hour. 241 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: We're on to eleven o'clock and then I'm on Saturday 242 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: mornings and on Sunday mornings four hours. He needs more 243 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: than that, two hours to five hours. Tell us how 244 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: much Sirius XM has grown in the time that you've 245 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: been there. Well, I've been there fifteen years and uh, 246 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: Steve Cone who runs it in this off the charts 247 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: and does such a great job. Initially about a year 248 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: in we didn't think it was going to succeed, and uh, 249 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: luckily the owner or the predominantly owner had some faith 250 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: in it, and so we grew from about twelve hundred 251 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: subscribers to thirty three million subscribers. And as an example, 252 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: we'll take a on a Wednesday night. We'll probably have 253 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: thirty callers from twenty different states and and we ring 254 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: the bell for the first timers, which is a great gimmick. 255 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: And we have double digit first time callers all the time, 256 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: and we get them from Mexico, We'll we'll have three 257 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: from Canada. Uh, you know every state in the United States. Uh, 258 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: we get him from. So it's it's really eventful. Well, 259 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: let's see if we've got a first time caller here 260 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: on the Cowboys a Legend show. We've got Danny Serek 261 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: out in the crowd here with the wireless microphone. Danny, 262 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: how you doing doing well? Thanks? We do have a 263 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: question for you, Gil and it comes from Drisco, who 264 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: is from Friscott and he is not a first time 265 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: calling here. I know that gentleman. We're not ringing any 266 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: bell for Drisco a gil uh no your legend here, 267 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: but uh you know the trade you you made to 268 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: get players impact player like Randy White and two Tall Jones. 269 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Uh Darsett, what what tell us about two Tall Jones? 270 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean that guy is probably the most underrated guys 271 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: for as great players we've had, that probably ought to 272 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame if if he had 273 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: all the stud sayday, I think he'd be there. Let 274 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: me let me tell you an interesting story about Ed 275 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: two Tall Jones from Jackson, Tennessee. Uh we and and 276 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: and Cornell Green will collaborate this. We've accidentally found out 277 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: through through two tall brother in law, Red who was 278 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: a basketball coach and Cornell related to him. We found 279 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: out that he'd done there at four years at Tennessee State. 280 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: And so we went to the commissioner and or Texts 281 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: went to the commissioner and said, we're going to use 282 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: a choice on Ed two Tall Jones a year before 283 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: we actually drafted him. And he said the only way 284 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: you can do that is if you tell everybody else 285 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: and in Texas words, will you know screw you, I'm 286 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: not going to do that. And we made a trade 287 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: with Sid Gilman in which we traded Tody Smith and 288 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: Billy Parks for their first round pick, and their first 289 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: round pick came up to the number one pick in 290 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: the draft that year. And so what happened is is 291 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: that there was the war between the leagues, the AFC 292 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: and the NFC, and John Mackie was representing two Tall 293 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: Jones and some high powered person out in California with 294 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: an agency was also there, and uh I was able 295 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: to get two Tall signed. One of the things that 296 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: really helped us a lot was that the mother was 297 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: Aggie was her name, was a great lady. And so 298 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: Cornell and I went over there during this recruiting process 299 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: and we got a wicker basket that he used to 300 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: carry washing around in with him and filled it up 301 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: with groceries. The mistake we made is we brought some 302 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: ice cream and put it on the top, and because 303 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: she was always home, well, it just so happens. Now 304 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: we pull up with the food and ice cream and 305 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: she's not there and we can't find her. Well, she 306 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: had been to the wash Interia and we weren't smart 307 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: enough to go down there. But that was kind of 308 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: the recruiting story. And then you know, when he retired, 309 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: he called and said, myself and my agent want to 310 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: come over and talk to him. And I said, okay, 311 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, I figured they want to renegotiate and uh. 312 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: And sure enough he said, you know, I'm going to retire. 313 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to go into boxing. Uh. And that's it. 314 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: But the story on door set is really unbelievable because 315 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: I traded a quarterback, Clinton Longley to Tommy Prothrow, who 316 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: was a very good friend of mine, for a first 317 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: round choice. And one of the reasons that enabled it 318 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: to happen was because we used to scrimmage all the 319 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: time and the guy was really good. He was he 320 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: was a really good passer, smart as all heck, and 321 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: so we made that trade. And then we traded with Seattle. 322 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: And one of the great things out of the Seattle 323 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: trade was that they had the second pick in the draft, 324 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: and we were we were concerned. We wanted Dorset. We 325 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: didn't want Ricky Bell and not that he we didn't 326 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: think he was good enough, but we just thought that 327 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: Dorset was a lot better. So we had this gigantic 328 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: discussion Red Hickey, Tom Landry gil Brandt and uh Red 329 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: loved Ricky Bell, and rightfully so, and I liked door 330 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: Set and so so Tech said, we'll get out the 331 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: probability report. And we had this huge book with probabilities 332 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: of him playing, being on All Pro, a Pro bowler, 333 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: a starter on a winning team, and so forth. And 334 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Red made his speel. And you know, here's a guy 335 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: that's been a head coach in the National Football League, 336 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: a player in the National Football League. And I made mine, 337 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: and and so coach land who said to get the 338 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: probability book out. So we got the probability book out 339 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: and Dorset probability of being All Pro ninety seven percent, 340 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: Ricky Bell, zero Pro Pro Bowl, Ricky Bell, Dorset Ricky 341 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: Bell like three percent. Red said, stop. I bowed to 342 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: the machine. So you were using analytics before analytics became popular. 343 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: We were using uh then quite a few years beforehand. 344 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: So when you made the trade to get up that high, 345 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: was it with the idea that you were taken door 346 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: st Yeah. And then you know, we almost blew the 347 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: whole thing because what happened is is that we Buck 348 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: Buchanan was equipment man. So we we told bucksh not 349 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: go and get a thirty three jersey and put Dorset's 350 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: name on it. And so the people that were doing 351 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: this called lun Quist Vern lun Quist and said, hey, 352 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna draft Torseet. Oh they're not gonna 353 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: draft doors Set, They're not gonna They don't they didn't 354 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: have a draft choice to get there. And uh, you know, 355 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: lun Quist said, I sure wish i'd listen to listen 356 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: to those people. So he had the story, but he didn't. 357 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: He had the story. Yeah, he didn't tip anybody off. 358 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: That is funny. You know you mentioned Cornell Green, which 359 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: is another one of your fines. And then Cornell Green 360 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: went into scouting. And I guess in seventy four when 361 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: two tall was the first pick, he was just retiring 362 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: from the NFL. And so did you mentor Cornell Green 363 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: into this business? Cornell Green is one of the greatest 364 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: people in the world. Uh, you know, I'll tell you 365 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: a story about how Green incidentally is brother Pumpsy, right right. 366 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: So it was the first Afro American player in the 367 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Red Sox chain. And so I went up to uh 368 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: it was March fifth. I want up to uh Logan, Utah. 369 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: And that's a chore to get there, and uh, and 370 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: I had to negotiate with John Ralston and Ladell Anderson, 371 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: who was the basketball coach at Utah State, and I 372 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: offered him two hundred and fifty dollars to sign and 373 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: uh and uh no, no, no, we need more than that. 374 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: We need to more than that. We did a lot 375 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: more than that. And I'm trying to negotiate and said, well, 376 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, Corneill's never played football. He's never played football. 377 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: So finally, after sitting there about three hours, I said, 378 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: just not a curiosity. What are you looking for? We 379 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: want five hundred dollars, I said, no, I said, Jim, 380 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: and I sat here for two hundred three hours for 381 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars. But the greatest story of 382 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: all we went to training camp that year at Marquette, Michigan. 383 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: And and you know, the year before or two years before, 384 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: the first training camp that we went to was at 385 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: Saint John's Military Academy and they hung me in effigy 386 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: because the place was so bad. The players, yeah, the players, 387 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: And so what happened is tobuilt him this this particular year. 388 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, sir, I said, first of all, 389 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: send me a temperature chart and Choky, you know it's oh, 390 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: the days are in the seventies all the time here. 391 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: We practiced one morning it was thirty six degrees and 392 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, the the head coach at the time phoning 393 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: up the report for us. But I had to go 394 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: and put sad on the field because I was I 395 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to be hung in effigy again. And so 396 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: we paid ninety two hundred dollars to saw the field 397 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: and Cornell and we had a great group that year. 398 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: We had George Andre Pettis, Norman Dave Manners is really 399 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: really a great group. And so we went down to 400 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: play in Norfolk, Virginia, and we played the Colts down there, 401 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: and uh, and you knew, you always knew when coach 402 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Randy liked you, it was NICKI. If he didn't like it, 403 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: it was spacked old. And so uh, Cornell gets beat 404 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: by a touchdown for a touchdown by Jim or Jimmy 405 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: Orr and he's coming off the field and Tom said 406 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: to him, Cornell, Cornell, what happened out there? He said, 407 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: he came down, he stumped on my foot and he said, 408 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: that's an old trick. They're gonna do that all the time, 409 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: He said, Cornell, Cornell, why don't you wear any hip pads? 410 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: He said, well, coach, you know that part that hangs 411 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: down in front, it was running my legs. Law, he'd 412 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: been wearing his hip bads backwards for six weeks. That'll 413 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: happen with basketball players. So he had played basketball there 414 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: did he have basketball opportunities? He was the first first 415 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: round draft choice of the Chicago Stags in the what 416 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: in the in the national basketball right? And he'd rather 417 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: take a chance at I think I think he liked 418 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: the five hundred dollars initially. And he had never played. 419 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Did he play like in high school? No? No, nothing. 420 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: So what made you decide I can turn this guy 421 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: into a defensive back. Well, we worked him out, and 422 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: we worked out of probably as many basketball players as 423 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: we did football players. You know, we we we worked 424 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: out a tackle I can't remember his name, Don Johnson. 425 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Uh from Bob Knight called us and said, Gil get 426 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: up here, I want you to sign this guy. So 427 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: it was a year of the strike and uh and 428 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Johnson was a big tackle, and we initially signed him 429 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: to be a defensive end. And there was a strike 430 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 1: and so we had to play him at tackle offensive tackle, 431 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: and we put him on waivers and lo and behold. 432 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: We didn't think anybody's going to take a basketball player. 433 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: And the Cincinnati Bengals claimed him. And if you look 434 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: at his record for four years, he led the Cincinnati 435 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: Bengals in sacks is what he did. But what we 436 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: what we would do and work all these guys out. 437 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: We did the three cone drill and everything that you 438 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: want to do, and we kind of just rolled the 439 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: dice on him. We had we had another run that 440 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: a basketball player named Williams from West Virginia that we 441 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: would have signed. I think we we we drafted and 442 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: would have signed, but he became a first round draft 443 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: choice of the of the Oakland or whatever that franchise is, 444 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: and they just paid him too much money because you 445 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: know that that that was then it was like a 446 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars signing bonus, and we weren't in that 447 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: business at that brace Mickey, who was the best basketball 448 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: player that Gilbrandt ever drafted, best best best basketball player 449 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: he drafted, best head coats too. Well, now you got me, okay, 450 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: all right, I was going Lou Hudson, but you're going badly. Yeah, yeah, 451 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot. Lou Hudson was really good. And you know what, 452 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: we signed him. Yeah, we had him signed first and 453 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: and and Ben Kerner ran the or only Saint Louis 454 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: basketball team, and uh, and he called and he begged, 455 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: and he begged and he bagged. I said, you know, Ben, 456 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: we got him signed. We don't have to give him 457 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: to you. And and so he finally said, give me 458 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: my five thousand dollars back that I signed him. And uh, 459 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: but Lou Hudson was a great high school basketball, great 460 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: high school football player. I wasn't really he was since 461 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: time NBA All Star in North Carolina. But pat Riley 462 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: was pretty good too. He was now he traded for 463 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good basketball player, Preston Pearson. Weston Parson him 464 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: picked him up. We picked him on. Yeah. It was 465 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: a Steeler turned cowboy, went to Illinois to school and 466 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: blocked remab Dul Jabbar's shot. He was known as Lou 467 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: Alcinder at the Galesburg, Illinois Yeah, sleep, would you believe 468 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: I've been to Gilsburg to watch a high basketball But 469 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: I also guarantee you Gil Brand's been more places than 470 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: And we continue with gil Brand on the Cowboys Legend 471 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: Show in just a moment to the SWBC Mortgage Gallas 472 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys Legends Show broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at 473 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Fans United, where you can find 474 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: game day gear for every Cowboys fan. Visit Fans United 475 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: or shop fans United dot com to find a location 476 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: near you. We're at the Star in Frisco, home of 477 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola with Gil Brandt. 478 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: And this is an absolutely amazing place out here at 479 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: the start, it really is. I mean, it's unbelievable. Just 480 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: ask the Highland Park football team. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, 481 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: they've got quite a record out here. Yes they do undefeated. 482 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: This beat Forrest and Neighbors. I said, does this beat 483 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Forrest and Neighbrams? Yeah, but Country Miles. Danny Serek with 484 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: the wireless microphone. Anyone in attendance here at the Cowboys Colube. 485 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: If you got a question for Gil, find Danny and 486 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: you can ask a question. Danny, how are you doing? 487 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I actually have a question myself for Gil. 488 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you what. This is a very attractive, 489 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: smart young lady from the University of Missouri, absolutely high school. 490 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you this, Mickey, I'm but 491 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: I can tell you something about her that you can. 492 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: What's that? How old she is? You already did your 493 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: research on he did Gil. My question is, looking back, 494 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: who's the one player that got away from you from 495 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: the drafts Oh? It h one that you really wanted? Uh, 496 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor? Yeah, yeah, we thought we had a chance 497 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: to trade for him. What year would have this been 498 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: two or so? Whatever year? I forget what year it was, 499 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: and that sounds I saw him playing college at Oklahoma. 500 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: He played for North Carolina at Oklahoma and the eighty 501 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: one same tackles all over the place. I was at 502 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: the the Clemson, uh North Carolina game, and unfortunately, uh 503 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: the general manager Young h was there also, and we 504 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: saw this guy make about twenty five tackles and the 505 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: the second you know, he was the second player picked, 506 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: second pick in eighty one. Yeah, and and then the 507 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: first pick war number thirty eight and from the luth Georgia. 508 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: You know who it is, running back Hurschel No, no, no, 509 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: too soon. He he was he was a Heisman Trophy winner. 510 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: George Rodgers, George Rogers, yes, sir, number one, number thirty eight. 511 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: Not many thirty eighths. They're ever warned. So I thought 512 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: you were a trick at me. So he got it. 513 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: So Lawrence Taylor got away from you, Yeah he did. 514 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: And and I'll tell you one other guy that got 515 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: away from us as a as a free agent was 516 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: Joe Jacobe. We thought we had Joe Jacobe, who should 517 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame, the Washington offensive lineman 518 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: out of Louisville. We thought we had him signed and 519 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: we just kind of relaxed, and all of a sudden 520 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: the Redskins swooped in there and got him. But he 521 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: was one that we really wanted that we didn't we lost. 522 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: If I remember right, you had your eye on Jerry Rice. Well, 523 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, this still rankles me. And you know, uh 524 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: we we were very good about letting people uh come 525 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: the training camp, and we had Jim Sweeney was the 526 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: head coach at Montana State at the time, and he 527 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: brought a He brought a assistant coach from Butte High 528 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: School that later became the general manager of the New 529 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: England Patriots, Sam Jankovitz, And uh so, when Brown got 530 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: picked by Cincinnati, we thought we were home free, and 531 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately a guy by the name of Bill Walsh, uh 532 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: jumped ahead of us and took Jerry Rice. And you 533 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: know the interesting thing about Jerry Rice was that he 534 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: didn't really run that fast. Uh. And and you know, 535 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: one of the things we're going to do on this 536 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: on this twenty twenty nineteen hundred year anniversary show is 537 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: show the actual computer. We're gonna really Yeah, we got 538 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the old we had to get it from from Rhode Island. 539 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: We got an actual computer IBM three sixty computer. And 540 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 1: we've got scouting reports on on Peyton Manning, we got 541 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: scouting reports on Jerry Rice, we got scouting reports on 542 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: oh another really good place. Somebody kept that data. I 543 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: have it. You have it, Mickey, My garage has one 544 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty bucks that we need to come and 545 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: video your garage. So one of the things I think 546 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Gil alluded to was having to once you drafted some 547 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: of these guys. Back in the day, there was two 548 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: leagues and you had to basically negotiate to try to 549 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: get the guy to recruit, to get him to come 550 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: to you. So tell the story about, uh, your first 551 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: draft pick, Bob Lily on out of TCU. On how 552 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: you had to try to convince him to sign with 553 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I was twenty eight years old, and I'm 554 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going against Lamar Hunt, okay, And it's in 555 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: East West game. He was staying at Stern Hall on 556 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: the campus of Stanford University, and I took him to dinner. 557 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: And while while we were at dinner, we talked about 558 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: a contract, and I signed him to a contract. And 559 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: this was already you had already drafted, we already drafted them. 560 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: And I signed him to a contract, twelve thousand dollars contract, 561 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars signed on us. And Texts was okay 562 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: with that. Well, wait a minute. You know text was 563 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: prone to have a few Cuddy starks before he went 564 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: to bed at night. Right, And so when you when 565 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: it's eleven o'clock West Coast time, it's one o'clock this time, 566 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: and I was really excited, and I called Texts. I said, Texts, 567 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: we just signed Millie. How much we pay? How much 568 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: we pay? I said, no, wait a minute, how much 569 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: do we pay? I said, First of all, we did 570 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: a much better deal than green Bay did with Aderley. 571 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: They said they paid Adderley's first year contract was fifteen 572 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: thousand and five thousand. Signing boons our deal is twelve 573 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars with a four thousand dollars scientist. I can't 574 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: trust you. I cannot trust that. I know we're gonna 575 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: go broke. H And we ended up with Bob Law. 576 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: But you had to convince him before who did did 577 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: so Kansas City or the Dallas Texans took him or 578 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: had they been Yeah, yeah, they were still the Texas. Huh, 579 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: So you had to. You know, we also recruited against 580 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: the Texans with Roger stalbo Really no, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, 581 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: oh no, I do remember that. And his colonel kind 582 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: of pointed him towards the NFL. Well, we we what 583 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: we did is a little skullduggery. We had a you, 584 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: a Michigan State basketball coach named Danny Peterson was coaching 585 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: at the Naval Academy, and we gave Danny a Bobin 586 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: or two and said, this is your project. Let us 587 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: know exactly what happens. And uh, you know, every day 588 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: he was telling Roger how great the Cowboys are on 589 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: a big, great organization and so forth. So immediately after 590 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: the Army Navy game in Philadelphia. We happen to be 591 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: playing there that weekend. Colonel Borden, who was at the 592 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: academy I think he was the athletic director, brought him 593 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: over to our hotel and we made our deal that 594 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: night after the Army Navy game for Starbucks. Huh. It's 595 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: interesting how how things work back then, especially I had 596 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: all these stories. I knew you, we knew. We're just 597 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: trying to unearthed them. You can you can see how 598 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: they fill four hours on the Sirius NFL radio every 599 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday night. All right, we continue with Jil Brand on 600 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys Legend Show. Adjust a ballment now it's a 601 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: touchdown to the SWBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Legends Show broadcasting 602 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: live from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. 603 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys Legend Show continues from here to Cowboys Club at 604 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: the Star in Friscoe. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola. Gil 605 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: Brant is our Legends guest the Pro Football Hall of 606 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: Fame finalists. We got white lightning in the house as well. 607 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: Duck Donnelly just came up and said, hello, Oh, he's 608 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: something else, you know. He Uh, I just told him 609 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: that in the in that the game, the Clark game. 610 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: You know, he would have caught in all probability to 611 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: pass coming over from right to left, but they did 612 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: such a good job of tying his shoulder down the 613 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: Ohio State doctors that had kind of restricted what he 614 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: could late reach for us. And uh, and we came 615 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: up about two inches short. Yeah, and Doug Donnelly, by 616 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: the way, a second round draft white lightning. That's right. 617 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: That's right. Danny Serek has the wireless microphone. Hello Danny, Hi, guys, Gil. 618 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: The next question for you comes from Buzz, who's all 619 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: the way come here from all the way from Arkansas. 620 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: Great code five or one? Gil, have did you see 621 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: any good wide receiver recruits out there this weekend? Or 622 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: do you can you name any that you're looking for? 623 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: A true number one? Is that what you're looking for? 624 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: You know, there there are some good receivers. Probably the 625 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: best guy he's an underclassmen at at at old mister 626 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: guy by the name of Brown, is probably the best 627 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: one out there. Uh. But there are five or six 628 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: pretty good wide receivers. You know, there's probably gonna be 629 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: eighty five underclassmen come out this year and there's gonna 630 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: be probably three of those underclassmen come out this year 631 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: that are wide receivers that are gonna be picked in 632 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: the first round. So there's gonna be a bunch of them. 633 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: Good questions. Thank you appreciate that. UM, I want you 634 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: to tell uh the story about uh Walt Garrison's in 635 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: line trailer that he wanted as a signing bonus. He 636 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: talked of us about it two weeks ago. How did 637 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: you know about how to buy an inline trailer? Well, 638 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: first of all, Mickey, I knew the price of every cargo, 639 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: and I knew exactly what a Pontiac Vonneville sold for, 640 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: which he wanted, right, No, he wanted to you know what, 641 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: that's what most of the guys was a hot car 642 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: at the time. That and and and the Riviera that 643 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: I wrecked when I hit a good which will be 644 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: the next story you tell and uh And so I said, well, 645 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: I guess you want a Pontiac, you know, he said no. 646 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: I said, well what do you want? He said, I 647 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: want a Miley inline trailer. I had no idea what 648 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: a Miley inline trailer was, and so I had to 649 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: go out, and you know, I didn't know if it 650 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: was going to be ten thousand dollars or what I think. 651 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: He was a fourth round pick. Yeah, and uh, you know, 652 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting because Oklahoma State when he 653 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: was there, they beat Oklahoma two years in a row. 654 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 1: They caused Gomer Jones's job and uh and so then 655 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: and then when and I want to trailer hitch on him. 656 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: So the trailer hitch was like one hundred and twenty 657 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: five dollars. I don't know if he told you about 658 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: texts getting down one day in front of them. He 659 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: wanted to see what he bought. He wanted to see 660 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: what he bought for running twenty five dollars. Well, you'd 661 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: be glad to know that that trailer still on his 662 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: on his ranch. You got the Riviera story. Oh yeah, so, 663 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: uh signing bonus they used to give car buy cars 664 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: for these guys for their signing bonus. Leroy Jordan. Right, yeah, 665 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: well let me let me tell you what happened Leroy Jordan. 666 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: And what a great player. And he should be in 667 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Uh. We got a lot of 668 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: guys that should be in the Hall of Fame. But anyway, Uh, 669 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: I I went to Ewing Buick and and bought the Riviera, 670 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: complete with power windows and everything possible page sixty two 671 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for it. And Lee Roy will tell you 672 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: this was his dream car. Yes, he always wanted one 673 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: of these things. Well you have to take Leroy back 674 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: to where he threw up too. But anyway, so they 675 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: had a special order it and and so the car 676 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be there for a month or so, 677 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: and and and I said, Leroy, don't worry, I'll drive 678 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: the car back over to Tuscaloosiforia. So it was in 679 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: March and I'm coming up over these few hills outside 680 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: of Starkville, Mississippi, and I hit a cow and thereor 681 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: four cows in a row, and I hit a cow 682 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: and just total the car. And so the guy behind 683 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: me was the cow at the dead. But that's not 684 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: the finish of the story. So anyway, Mississippi State. Well, 685 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: the guy behind me said, he said, can I help you? 686 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 1: I said, well, I got a friend here in town, 687 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: John Majors. I said, if you just let me get 688 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: into town, I'll call him and and uh, you know, 689 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: we can take care of all this. So we went 690 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: to Majors. I stayed with Majors The next morning, we 691 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: went down to the Sheriff's office to report this accident. 692 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: And we got in there and there's a massive group 693 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: of people. I said, what the heck is going on here? Well, 694 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: Mississippi State was trying to go to the NCAA to 695 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: tournament and they had a rule in the state of 696 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: Mississippi that a school could not play against a team 697 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: of color. And so I finally got to meet Sheriff 698 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: Johnson and I told him my story. He said, that 699 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 1: was my daddy's call. You killed last night? He said, 700 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: how do you want to take care of that? I said, 701 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: how do I want care of it? He said, who's 702 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: gonna tell Leroy that I ripped his car? Amazing stories? 703 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: Did you get off? Did I get off to pay 704 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: for the Oh no, no, We've got Bedford Win to 705 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: represent us. And then you had to call Leroy and 706 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: to call her and tell him that's pretty good? All right? Uh? 707 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: I got a wide receiver for year to college ranks 708 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: right now, University of Colorado out of De Soto High Schools. 709 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: He's a he's a junior. Uh, and he's really good. 710 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: I think he had three touchdowns again last week. Lavisca 711 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: Chanty he's got a younger brother, Lavonte Shanald, who's committed 712 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: to text his tech. But he's playing for Colorado. Mike McIntyre, 713 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: former Cowboys assistant coach, he's got him there five and 714 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: oh right now cold and they beat They beat I 715 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: think Utah last week, which is a really good team. 716 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: Or no, they beat Arizona State, excuse me last week. 717 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know a lot about him. But he's 718 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: one of those underclassmen again, and I'm sure he'll be 719 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: one of those guys that I said is going to 720 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: be in the trame and they're talking about him being 721 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: a Heisman candidate. All right, I want to ask you 722 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks in this league. It is just amazing 723 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: how many young quarterbacks are tearing it up right now. Well, 724 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: we have nine quarterbacks right now that are starting that 725 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: are under twenty seven years of age. This is what 726 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: we have. What what's happened is this is that and 727 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: it all becomes out of flour Mold High School. You know, 728 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: everybody in the state of Texas was running the was 729 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: running the ball, and flour Mold back twenty years ago. 730 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: I think it was farreml Marcus with Chris Sanders yes, yep, 731 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: there you go ninety six, and that's twenty two years. 732 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: But anyway, or what happened was is that all of 733 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody's starting to throw the ball. And so consequently, 734 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: what's happening in Texas Now you just pick up a 735 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: Saturday morning paper and you'll see Highland Park throws the 736 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: ball forty seven times, this school throws it fifty times, 737 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: and so forth. And what's happened is it's all over 738 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: the country, and it doesn't make any difference if it's 739 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: in South Dakota or Montana or wherever. Everybody's throwing the ball. 740 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: And then not only that, but seven on seven and 741 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: seven on seven became popular in California. And now if 742 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: school ends on May thirty first, on about June third, 743 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: seven on seven starts and they have just seven on 744 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: seven tournament every year where they bring in teams from 745 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: all over the country. And I think that's the reason 746 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: that we have so many good quarterbacks. And I'll tell 747 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: you the best quarterback I've ever seen is a junior 748 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: at Oregon by the name of Herbert. And the interesting 749 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: thing about it is he went to school he was 750 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: not recruited by anybody except Mountain West. He threw two 751 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: touchdown passes last week by Mountain West team or not 752 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: Mountain West Big Sky teams. And his father, his father 753 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: went to Oregon State, his mother went to Oregon State, 754 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: but his grandfather went to Oregon and the grandfather's name 755 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: was Schwab. He was there in nineteen sixty three. I 756 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: remember him and charl Schwab. This guy, this guy's I 757 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: think is gonna be unbelievable. Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert. He's 758 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: like six to five, two hundred and forty pounds and 759 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: he runs about four to six. Oh my wow. But 760 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, in fact, they're playing seven on 761 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: seven like in grade school. Now it's like a year 762 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: in football is a year round thing, and it's a 763 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: trickle up effect. Yeah. And Gonna lost one game this 764 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: year to Stanford, and they were in the first half, 765 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: they were head by about twenty some points, and he 766 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: completed like eighteen out of twenty passes, and then what 767 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: happened is they got real conservative and then in the 768 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: overtime they lost because he threw an interception. You know, 769 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady echoed exactly what you said. I saw a 770 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: quote from him this week saying the NFL has now 771 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: just become a more celebrated college football and with the 772 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: spread offenses and so forth. Right now, So Texas, the 773 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: state kind of lagged behind because everybody was running the wishbone. 774 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: Did you think ever think they would like change and say, okay, 775 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: I need a quarterback that can throw the ball. You know, 776 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: mickey success springs change. And when Marcus won the state championship, 777 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody said, that's what we got 778 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: to do. And it's this gradual process and it's come 779 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: to fruition. Yep. It was Sam Harrold and in US 780 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: they started running no huddle, okay, which is about nineteen 781 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: ninety nine, two thousand. South Lake Carroll followed. Highland Park 782 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,479 Speaker 1: is made a habit of it for years. Exam twelve 783 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: years ago. Incidentally, when you talk about Harold Young, Harold 784 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator at North Texas State, and I 785 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,919 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be another Lincoln Riley someday as a coach, 786 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 1: a very very good coach. Graham Harold of course played 787 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: quarterback at Texas Tech and is the offensive coordinator for 788 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: Seth Latreille at North Texas which is five and one, right, 789 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: now not to a great start, Gilt, it's been great 790 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: having ye. I'm glad to thank you. This was wonderful 791 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: Brownhogs Day in Atlanta Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists. 792 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: That's when he'll be voted in. We're confident of that, 793 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: and Gil, we appreciate you joining us here on the 794 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: Cowboys a Legend Show. We've got Thurman's Thieves next week. 795 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: We got Dennis Thurman coming your way next week on 796 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys Legend Show from here at the Cowboys Club 797 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 1: at the Star in Prisco. We'll see you again next 798 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: week