1 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Good evening, America. Welcome to the Tuesday edition of justin News, 2 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon. Reporting is always 3 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: from Washington, DC, our nation's capital, and the Wirefishcoffee dot 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Com studios Widerfish Coffee, as you know, the official coffee 5 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: of justin News, and right now they got some amazing 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: guests for the coffee lover, the angler, the fisherman, the 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: outdoorsman in your life. 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What is that? 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: The chairman of the House Administration Subcommittee on Oversight, Barry Loudlemant, 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: the man that re reviewed the January sixth investigation, says 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: in official report that was released today that Liz Cheney 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: should be referred to the FBI and that the FBI 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: should criminally investigate her for witness tampering for her conduct 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: with the star Witness of the Democrats twenty twenty two 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Summer Hearings on January sixth, Cassidy Hutchinson. We've told you 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: about the stories she told that aren't true. We told 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: you that this Cheney was talking to her around her lawyer, 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Barry Loud of Milk and his committee saying today it 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: looks like witness tampering the new FBI cash betel. They 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: should start investigating her criminally. In fact, the report says 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: she Liz Cheney may have violated several federal statutes. We'll 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: have more than that over at justinnews dot com. Go 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: check that out. That story's trending number one on the site. 29 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: The other story we told you about, we teased it 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: last night. Yes, Joe Biden used his pse pseudonym email 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: account to conduct foreign policy. That's right, Anthony Blincoln, now 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: the Secretary of State. But back in a decade ago, 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: when Joe Biden was Vice presient and was sending foreign 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: policy emails to Joe Biden sensitive stuff like oh, North 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Korea failed a missile test. We'll get you more on it, sir, 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: but you should know they failed. It could have stark 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: consequences That went to a private email account on Gmail insecure. 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like Hillary Clinton all those emails which 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: we got from a lawsuit published on Just the News. 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: You can take a look at both of those two 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: very important stories about accountability in Washington that we broke today. 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: All right, there's a lot more going on in Washington 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: and across the world. And announcepringing my amazing coast Amanda 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: head to get us caught up on all the headlines. Hello, Amanda. Wow, 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: it's only a few days before Christmas, but things are 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: rocking around here. 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: I love it and congratulations. See you on those two 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: big scoops this morning. And before we start the show 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: tonight and get into conversations about both of those items 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: with our guests, I want to get into a few 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: things that I'm tracking. 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: Firstly, the drones over New Jersey. Get that tracking. 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: The story is just not going away, and we're going 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: to have more on that later in the show with 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: a New Jersey assembly Man. But the White House has 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: finally been speaking out of it, and unfortunately aren't really 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: saying much. Here is Don Kirby explaining that there's nothing 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: to worry about with the drones and that everything is 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: being operated in a lawful and legal way. 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: Here it is. 61 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: We have taken a serious look at this. 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 5: We have gone through five thousand some odd sightings, we 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 5: have added detection capabilities to the region, We've even sent 64 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 5: up visual observers, and everything we're seeing to date, our 65 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: assessment tells us that these are commercial drones, hobbyist drones, 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 5: or law enforcement drones, all operating legally and lawfully. I 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 5: mean when people shoot video of that, Kate, I mean, 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: you're seeing the lights on these things, the navigation lights. 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: That's what's required if. 70 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 5: You're going to be flying in US airspace at night, 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: our navigation lights. So clearly they're being operated in a 72 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 5: lawful and legal way, and we've seen nothing from their behavior, 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 5: nothing that tells us there's a public safety threat or 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 5: a national security threat. 75 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: So the message from the White House is that there 76 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: is nothing to. 77 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: Worry about and there is nothing going on. 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good enough answer for 79 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: the American people, And as I said, we're going to. 80 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: Have more on that later in the show. 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: And the fallout from President Trump's defamation lawsuit settlement with 82 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: George Sephanopolis and ABC News continues. CNN is apparently very 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: worried about it, especially with President Trump signaling that he 84 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: would go after the Ann Salzer Pole, and he did 85 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: filing suit against the De Moines Register Monday. 86 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: Here is Shake Tapper discussing it. 87 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 6: One of them is the the people of Iowa at 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 6: the Moin Register. That's because there was a poll and 89 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 6: thought that was that was inaccurate. The one on sixty 90 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 6: minutes is because they didn't like the editing that had 91 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 6: been done to the Yeah, I mean, this is this 92 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 6: is wildly ridiculous. 93 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the media shouldn't report things or say 94 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: things on air that they know aren't true. 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say. 96 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: And finally, Luigi Mangioni was indicted on a. 97 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: First degree murder charge earlier. 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: Today in the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. 99 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: Mangioni was also charged in New York with two counts 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: of second degree murder, one which is charged as a 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: killing in the active terrorism two counts of second degree 102 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: criminal possession of a weapon, four counts a third degree 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: criminal possession of a weapon, one count of fourth degree 104 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: criminal possession of a weapon, and one count of second 105 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: degree criminal possession of a forged instrument. 106 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: So John I think the eyes of the country are 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: going to be on what happens in this situation. Let's 108 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: hand it off. 109 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, an extraordinary story man who had privilege and a 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: great opportunity ahead of him and may have thrown his 111 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: life away with his crime. We'll to see where they goes. Well. 112 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: A lot of tension on Capitol Hill. They're just a 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: few days away from the deadline for federal spending to 114 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: run out, and one of those reconciliation Omnibus bills is 115 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: coming your way. Yep, hundreds of billions of more money 116 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: going out the door your money. Earlier today we had 117 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to one of the men on 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: the front lines that he's on the Rules Committee, Mike 119 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Johnson might want to bypass that Rules Committe. That's what 120 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: we're hearing Congress from. Ralph Norman had some sharp words 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: to say about that. Listen to what he told us. 122 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: All right, joining us now, a man who has his 123 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of what's really happening in Congress. 124 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: Will we get a budget deal, Will they go on 125 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: for Christmas? We don't know yet, but I'm pretty sure 126 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Congress and Ralph Norman for the great state of South 127 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: Carolina does, he joins us right now, Congressman, great to 128 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: have you on the show. 129 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 7: Great, great to be with both of y'all. 130 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: All right, I'd like to get a sense of where 131 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: the discussions are in the background. Is there a deal 132 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: in placement American people get anything out of this budget 133 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: reconciliation bill that's being discussed. 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 8: Well, that's the question that you know, we haven't gotten 135 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 8: the text yet. It's a fourteen hundred page text. There's 136 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 8: been talk of voting on a rule. As you know, 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 8: I've been very frustrated with the way this is played out. 138 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 8: You don't sign anything, particularly that long, with that much money. 139 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 7: But that's what we're being forced to do. 140 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 8: I think if I had to bet, I think that 141 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 8: we'll probably kind of under suspension, which takes a three 142 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 8: forced vote, rather than go through the Rules Committee, which 143 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 8: I'm onned that it should go through. I think that 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 8: the disappointment with a lot of us that we expressed 145 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 8: to Mike Johnson was there's no pay for us. The 146 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 8: America people spoke on November fifth, and it was to 147 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 8: get this House I think in financial order, and it's 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 8: just not happening. 149 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 7: So if I had to bet. 150 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 8: I think if the rule, if it takes it through rules, 151 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 8: there's gonna be some amendments, standalone amendments that will vote 152 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 8: to pay for some of this monstrosity of spending, which 153 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 8: is one hundred million dollars in disaster relief, and it's 154 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 8: got money for farmers, which they're in dire straits. I 155 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 8: get that, but let's just offset it with the gigantic 156 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 8: spending bill that this last administration has sattled us with 157 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 8: and take a vote on it. So we'll see, we'll 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: see how it works out. 159 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, important, sir. 160 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about what this means for 161 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: one particular Republican because I'm hearing from some others that 162 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: they are quite disappointed in Mike Johnson's ability to get 163 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: this handled. 164 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: Does this endanger his group on the gavel for the 165 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: next term. 166 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 8: Everything has consequences, and I think the what the frustration 167 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 8: level is we all like him as a person, but 168 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 8: leaders have to take tough decisions, and this is a 169 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 8: tough decision, but it really shouldn't be. You know, we've 170 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 8: got got the galvel, We've got the majority now, granted 171 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 8: is one or two. 172 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 7: He can't miss. You can't want when. 173 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 8: The people that Trump took from my office get replaced. 174 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 8: We will have it best three or four seat majority. 175 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 8: That being said, the good news is we've got the majority, 176 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 8: but we've got to I think, get the same thing 177 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 8: Trump is saying, get the water wall built. 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 7: Uh, get you know, all in independence. 179 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 8: But at the same time, we have to get this 180 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 8: House in order to stop spending more than we make. 181 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 8: This bill does not do that, which is a frustration 182 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 8: level that I and many other members are having. 183 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Now, Sir, there is, as you said, so many places 184 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: where there could be offsets of media, all the DEI funding, 185 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: all the unclaimed Green New Deal funding. Why is it 186 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: that Republicans who don't support any of those policies don't 187 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: have the courage to pull some of that money back 188 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: to pay for what they're about to approve. 189 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 8: Because everybody out of all four hundred and thirty five members, 190 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 8: the spending that takes place, they've got an advocacy for it, 191 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 8: and a lot of them just can't say No Republicans 192 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 8: are like, you know, we hope the Dose Commission will 193 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 8: point out these specifics. But unless the Dose Commission results 194 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 8: goes into every voter's household, whether it's. 195 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 7: Email or text. 196 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 8: We've got to be able to hold our elected officials 197 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 8: accountable and see what they spending that they support, the 198 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 8: spending that they vote against. But we've got the only 199 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 8: thing this administration has done, John has give us things 200 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 8: to cut the DEI to even the thing that recently 201 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 8: came up, selling the wall portions of the panel which 202 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 8: costs thousands of dollars for five dollars. 203 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 7: It's lunacy. 204 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's crazy, Carson. 205 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: I know one place where money can definitely be saved, 206 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: and that is with those what fourteen million square feet 207 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: of unused office space in Washington, d C. 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: If this is something that. 209 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: As we have heard, is an early priority of President Trump's, 210 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: how much money is that. 211 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 3: Going to free up? 212 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 8: Well, it's going to free up a lot. It's not 213 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 8: just the brick and mortar. A lot of the bureaucrats, Amanda, 214 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 8: have not gone back to work. I know in my 215 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 8: district you have many that are still working from home. 216 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 7: I'm sorry. 217 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 8: COVID is over with and if you're not going to 218 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 8: use office buildings, let's privatize them, sell them and be 219 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 8: done with it. Because the financial path we own is bankruptcy. 220 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 8: We can't do that. But that's a great idea. It 221 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 8: is gathering steam and I heard a lot of people 222 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 8: talk about it and a lot of people that want 223 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 8: to make that happen. 224 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 7: I would lead to charge on that because it's. 225 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 8: Smart to do the maintenance alone, would dictate that you 226 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 8: take it out of federal hands and put it in 227 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 8: privatize it. 228 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, sir, you have been an advocate for fixing the 229 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: border for four years and Joe Biden did none of it. 230 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs to get a running start in January. 231 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: I know you're part of a group of lawmakers that 232 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: would like to see an early border reconciliation bill that 233 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: locks in all the authorities and moneies that Donald Trump 234 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: needs to succeed. Do you think that's possible. 235 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 8: I think it is because I think the American people 236 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 8: are going to demand it, and that's got to be 237 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 8: done early on, and it's going to take It's not 238 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 8: only is a tremendous cost, but looking to damage that's 239 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 8: doing from the crime alone, from the dollars of our 240 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 8: tax dollars that the Biden administration is given illegals. 241 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 7: Now, it's got to be handled. 242 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 8: And I think the tax cuts that Trump did a 243 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 8: great job on, we take that up in the second reconciliation, 244 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 8: but you'd handled first things first, and that's one of 245 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 8: them that's leading the pack, and it would be I think, well, 246 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 8: I would say easy to pass, but in Congress, I 247 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 8: don't think anything's easy. 248 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 7: But I was sure supported. 249 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, something a good idea, Sir. 250 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: I want to stay on the topic of the border 251 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: for just a moment, because the material is being sold 252 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: and auctioned off by the Biden administration of the border. 253 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people see this as just 254 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: possibly spite. The American people are the ones who are 255 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: going to have to pay for it, and President Trump 256 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: has profered the notion that it is possibly illegal. 257 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: What's the future of that situation, Well, if. 258 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 8: It comes up on a rule that we've talked about today. Now, 259 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 8: the money part of it, I don't know what they're 260 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 8: making on it, but it is a crime what he's doing. 261 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 8: But Amanda, this goes with who he's given pardons to 262 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 8: Chinese who have been convicted of spye that had jail sentences. 263 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 7: Is not just hunter Biden. He's on track to do. 264 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 8: From what I'm here hearing over three thousand pardoning criminals, 265 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 8: not people with just drug offenses. As he's saying, charge 266 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 8: a lot of other things, but selling the border wall. 267 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 8: Who would ever think that the leader of the free 268 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 8: world would do that. 269 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 7: And I've been out there. 270 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 8: It's stacked up, the panels are stacked up and has 271 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 8: been paid for, So you're going to be paying for 272 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 8: it twice. And you know Trump is going to finish 273 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 8: the wall and finish the thing that he started, which 274 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 8: is the right thing to do. 275 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so remarkable to see the American people finished 276 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: last right to the last day of the Biden administration. 277 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: Just remarkable. Earlier today, one of your colleagues, Bury a 278 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: lot of Milk, who's done some great work exposing what 279 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: really happened on January sixth, issuld to report saying that 280 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: liszt Chaney should be referred to the FBI and criminally 281 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: investigated for tampering with a witness, Cassidy Hutchesy, maybe suborning perjury. 282 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: There's another thing that suggested we're in an era now 283 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: where we've seen institutions that used to agree to disagree, 284 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: but at least would agree on the facts. But it 285 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: seems like the last several years people likely has changing. 286 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: The Democrats have injected falsehoods just to achieve a political outcome. 287 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: Is there a moment in this next Congress where that 288 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: can be not only repudiated, but maybe a penalty created 289 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: for it so that it doesn't continue on for the 290 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: American people. 291 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 8: What Liz Cheney did during that mockery of a trial 292 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 8: where Jim Jordan was kicked off and I think Jim 293 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 8: Banks was, Nancy Pelosi wasn't allowed to testify. The whole 294 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 8: thing reeks of corruption. And one thing the American people 295 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 8: I know in my district are telling me they want 296 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 8: consequences for these people. Liz Cheney needs consequences, and the 297 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 8: American people need to know all the facts that she 298 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 8: covered up and willingly participated in. So absolutely, and it's 299 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 8: not just them. I mean, look at what the FBI 300 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 8: and others have done to weaponize and put people like 301 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 8: Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro in jail. Yet Merrick Garlic can 302 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 8: defy a suboena and get by with it. 303 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: Man, you have done such a good job chronicling that 304 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: dual system of justice. I have a funny feeling in 305 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five we're going to get some course correction 306 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time. Congressman, It's 307 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: always an honor to have you on. You give us 308 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: the truth. We appreciate that so much. We don't talk 309 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: to you before Christmas. I'm Merry Christmas. 310 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 7: Well Mary Christmas, y'all, thank you so much. 311 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: God bless you here for all you do. Wow, what 312 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: a great interview. Think of what he just said. Republicans 313 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: don't even have the courage to claw back the funds 314 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden tried to spend but hasn't spent. They 315 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: don't want to even take it back and saved the 316 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: American people some money. Pretty remarkable statements from Congress and 317 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: Ralph Norman. All right, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. 318 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: Let me come back the man who delivered that bombshell 319 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: report this morning on January sixth. I'm Liz Cheney, the 320 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: Chairman of the House Administration Oversight Subcommittee, Bary Loudermilk. They'll 321 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: be with us right after these messages. 322 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. 323 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: As John briefed does at the top of the show, 324 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: a new report from Chairman of the House Administration Oversight Subcommittee, 325 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: Barry Loudermilk, and published over on Just the News. 326 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: As reported on it accuses. 327 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: Former Congresswoman is Cheney of tampering with a J six witness, 328 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: Cassidy Hutchinson. 329 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,239 Speaker 3: We've told you all about. 330 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: That, and he's asking the FBI to investigate any possible 331 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: criminality that occurred. 332 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: So with us now to talk more about. 333 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: It is the man himself, the man who methodically and 334 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: meticulously has pulled back the curtain on all this, Chairman 335 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: that Barry Laudermolk, thank you so much for being here, sir. 336 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 10: We thank you both for having me and appreciate the 337 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 10: coverage that you have been giving it when others just 338 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 10: chose to ignore it and not give any reporting on 339 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 10: what we've been uncovering that you guys have been great. 340 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. 341 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: Well. 342 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: The reporting kind of reflects what you experienced on Capitol Hill, 343 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: because I know there were plenty of people who were 344 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: not too interested in getting to the bottom of this, 345 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: and frankly, under Chris Ray, I might have been worried 346 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: that there would not have been ernest effort directed towards 347 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: this investigation. But it's going to be a new day 348 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: at the FBI, presumably Director cash Patel. How soon can 349 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: this ball get rolling and what do you expect to 350 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: come from this. Are you going to have a meeting 351 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: with the FBI where you kind of walk them through 352 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: some of your findings to kind of launch the whole 353 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: thing over there. 354 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 10: Well, that's what I think should happen, But we do 355 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 10: have a little bit of a time crunch on this end. 356 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 10: Is you know, what's going to happen in the new Congress, 357 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 10: and that's why I've been trying to meet with a 358 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 10: speaker to emphasize to him the importance that we do 359 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 10: need to continue on this investigation, especially now with a 360 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 10: new administration who could get deep into some of the 361 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 10: documents that we haven't been able to obtain. There's documents 362 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 10: at Homeland Security we know exist and we've seen some 363 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 10: of them, but we can't get them. There's other information 364 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 10: that's within the FBI we've requested, but they will not. 365 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 11: Provide to us. 366 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 10: So I think it's even more important that we continue 367 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 10: on this investigation, maybe as a select committee, which I 368 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 10: think would be very appropriate for this, that we can 369 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 10: work within the new administration, especially in light of the 370 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 10: revelation that just happened in the last week with the 371 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 10: Department of Justice Inspector General reporting that there were confidential 372 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 10: human resource is with on Capitol grounds and even inside 373 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 10: the Capitol and what I'm most interested in there now, 374 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 10: these are basically their informants that are embedded within. 375 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 11: The extremist groups. 376 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 10: As you know, they're they're there to send intelligence to 377 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 10: the FBI about what's going to happen. Is you know 378 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 10: what they're planning, and some of these were supposedly pretty 379 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 10: high level in these extremists organizations. So the question I 380 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 10: have is to the FBI, what did you know intelligence 381 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 10: wise and when did you know it? And what did 382 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 10: you do with that intelligence prior to January sixth? If 383 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 10: they had that many resources there embedded and who were 384 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 10: here on the Capitol grounds, somebody had to know more 385 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 10: details than what we've been told that they knew was 386 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 10: what was going to happen. 387 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, such an important question, and you told us first. 388 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: So you told us a few months ago that there 389 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: were there were a large number of informants in Your 390 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: rights are really remarkable. I want to turn back to 391 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney because I think most people assume a right 392 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Republicans are Democrats, diseagree in Congress, but they're going to 393 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: give us the facts at least, But it looks like 394 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: from the evidence you laid out in his report that 395 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney tried to hide the facts, maybe mislead the 396 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: American people, hijack a witness, and you laid out evidence 397 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: for the FBI to go follow. Tell us why you're 398 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: concerned so much about her behavior. 399 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 10: Well, for one thing is it was clear from early 400 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 10: on in our investigation that there was a predetermined narrative 401 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 10: that this was all Donald Trump's doing. Now, I came 402 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 10: into this from an unbiased perspective, and I even told 403 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 10: Kevin McCarthy, I don't want political influence. I want to 404 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 10: get to the truth, and whatever the truth is, we 405 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 10: will make it known to the American people, whether it 406 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 10: helped Donald Trump or whether the Select Committee was telling 407 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 10: the truth. I just wanted to get it out there. 408 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 10: But the further we got into this, the more we 409 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 10: realized they had already determined what their report was going 410 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 10: to say, they just needed to backfill it with information. 411 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 10: Then we started finding out we didn't have all the information, 412 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 10: and what was missing was the information that didn't corroborate 413 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 10: their story, especially those around their key witness. The concern 414 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 10: I have with Liz Cheney is that she basically became 415 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 10: the de facto chairman of the committee. She was in charge, 416 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 10: she was calling the shots, and she was communicating behind 417 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 10: the scenes with Cassidy Hutchinson during that period of which 418 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 10: she started changing her testimony. You know, John, you have 419 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 10: covered many times that fourteen page rata sheet where she 420 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 10: corrected her first two transcribed interviews. It was that time 421 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 10: period that she started communicating with Liz Cheney, and even 422 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 10: in her books she starts talking about that. So the 423 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 10: question is did Liz Cheney convince her to start changing 424 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 10: her story, because all of a sudden, she in her 425 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 10: third transcribed interview, she starts as she said is Cassidy 426 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 10: had said in her book, she started laying breadcrumbs, which 427 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 10: some believed that was actually a setup for her attorney, 428 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 10: Stefan Pasatino, because they needed a scar ape goat of 429 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 10: why she's changing her testimony, so they accused him of 430 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 10: telling her to lie, which he's been totally exonerated of 431 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 10: by it at this point. 432 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 7: And so it's just. 433 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 10: Interesting that that communication started and then she starts changing 434 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 10: her testimony, and then when she comes out with these 435 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 10: elaborate stories, there is no corroboration, there's no attempt to 436 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 10: figure out whether she's said in the truth or not. 437 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 10: They parade her in front of the American people and 438 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 10: she becomes the star witness of the entire committee. It's 439 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 10: just interesting that someone like her all of a sudden 440 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 10: changes her story that significantly, and the only thing that 441 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 10: happened in between was she was communicating unethically with Liz 442 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 10: Cheney without her attorney knowing it. And that's why we 443 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 10: think that the Department of Justice needs to look into 444 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 10: this because that could be witness stampering. 445 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I will remind our audience that within that 446 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: fifteen page Errodi, these were not just little five minute 447 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: changes to timestamps. These were specific, substantive changes. Sah, I 448 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: want to ask you, hypothetically speaking, this goes over to 449 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: the FBI, they investigate, they solidify the fact that there 450 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: was some type of witness tampering, possibly subornation of perjury. 451 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 3: Is it then handled the same way? 452 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: What's the difference in handling because. 453 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: This happened within the walls of Congress. 454 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: As opposed to being say, in our federal court system. 455 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: Is there any difference in the treatment? 456 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 10: Well, there could be if the Department of Justice determines 457 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 10: that she was acting with under the Speech and debate 458 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 10: claus But still there are limitations of what you can do. 459 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 10: We cannot violate the law and still have protections of 460 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 10: speech and debate claws. That is the one line of demarcation. 461 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 10: We lose that protection as soon as we violate law. 462 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 10: So if she violated law by doing witness tampering, or 463 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 10: she basically told Cassidy Hutchinson to lie, then she is 464 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 10: She's committed some born in perjury. So there's somewhere somebody lied, right, 465 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 10: is it? Cassidy Hutchinson in her first few interviews, was 466 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 10: at Cassidy Hutchinson in her last several interviews, And why 467 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 10: does she change her story? Is the only thing that 468 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 10: is consistent is that her communication with started off through 469 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 10: Elissa Fara was channeling for her to Liz Cheney, and 470 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 10: then at one point they started communicating directly, and Liz 471 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 10: Cheney even recognized because in the text stream and these 472 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 10: texts came from Cassidy Hutchinson, she provided those as a 473 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 10: result or her attorneys did as a result of letters 474 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 10: of inquiry that we have been sending them. 475 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 7: And so in that text stream which has been. 476 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 10: Made public, Liz expresses concern over having the direct communications 477 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 10: with Cassidy because she's represented by counsel, but she continues 478 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 10: to do it. And then, according to Cassidy Hutchinson's book, 479 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 10: Liz Janey convinced her to fire her existing attorney, Stefan Pasentino, 480 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 10: and then Liz found her another attorney pro bono, which, again, 481 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 10: that does not seem like that it is ethical in 482 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 10: the least that your prosecutor, per se is helping find 483 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 10: your defense witness their own attorney. Okay, So I think 484 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 10: that any legal scholar would have significant problems with the 485 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 10: whole way this thing went down. 486 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the report is so factually rich to a lot 487 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: of very specific information that is documented really Well, there's 488 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: a point in the report where you say you believe 489 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: that Cassie Hutchinson lied about the authorship of a handwritten memo, 490 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: and I think expected that maybe she would be brought 491 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: before the committee before the end of the year. Did 492 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: anyone leadership did Were you prevented from bringing Cassie Uttererson back, 493 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: because it seems like that's a very important part of 494 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: this investigation. 495 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 10: Well, we were encouraged to be very careful with who 496 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 10: we brought in and we got to a certain point 497 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 10: where I didn't think that we needed to bring her 498 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 10: in directly because they were very cooperative with providing us information. 499 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 10: And so I think it was several internal decisions as 500 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 10: if we can conduct this without bringing her before a 501 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 10: committee for a public hearing, it would be best to 502 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 10: work off that information, and it was around that time 503 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 10: that she provided us with all these text messages. But yeah, 504 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 10: there is more of this investigation that needs to take place, 505 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 10: and there's probably more conversations that need to happen with Cassidy, 506 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 10: especially at this point, to directly ask her, why did 507 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 10: you change your testimony and what was it that you 508 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 10: and lis Cheney were talking about? 509 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Very important stuff. 510 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: Sir Chairman. 511 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: I know for you it probably feels like much of 512 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: this process has been swimming through peanut butter. But the 513 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: fruits of your efforts are starting to come out as 514 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: they have been, and we appreciate so much what you 515 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: have done for the American people, and we look forward 516 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: to more of this in the next year. 517 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 10: Thank you both, and again thank you for you exposing 518 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 10: the light of transparency on this whole situation. 519 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 7: Thank you so well. 520 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: We couldn't do it if it weren't for you, So 521 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: thank you, sir, Thank you. 522 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: All right, everybody coming up after the break, more about 523 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: those drones. 524 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: We're still talking about the. 525 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: Drones over in New Jersey and we still don't have 526 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: many answers that we're going to talk about that after 527 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: the break. 528 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: Hey, America, Donald Trump has done it again, and with 529 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: his presidential victory in a red wave sweeping the House 530 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: and Senate, Conservatives are back in the driver's seat. 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That's AMACAMAC dot 548 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: us slash just News. Together we can keep the momentum going. 549 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. If you felt like you've heard 550 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different stories and sometimes contradictory stories when 551 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: it comes to those drones over New Jersey, you're correct. 552 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: There have been all over the map when it comes 553 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: to the Biden administration of the United States government. Our 554 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: next guest has been trying to pin down the truth. 555 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: He is a New Jersey assemblyman former mayor of Chester 556 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: Township Michael and Gotamorton. Sarah, good to have you on. 557 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, John, appreciate it all right. 558 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: I know you've worked really hard to try to get 559 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: some semblance of truth out of the government. Tell us 560 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: where we stand in that search for truth and what 561 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: frustrations you might have. 562 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it. 563 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 12: I mean you got to keep in mind we are 564 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 12: in week four and we're basically in week five now 565 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 12: on this situation in northwest New Jersey, which is where 566 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 12: this whole thing originated. We've been looking out our windows, 567 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 12: you know, walking outside, looking up in the air, at 568 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 12: anywhere from one to two up to a dozen drones 569 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 12: circling our homes, our neighborhoods, our communities. I remember getting 570 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 12: the first call from a mayor in the district that 571 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 12: I represent on November eighteenth, and for those first three 572 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 12: or four weeks, it was radio silence, radio silence. In 573 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 12: the past week or so, there's been some at least 574 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 12: communication from the federal government, but as you alluded to 575 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 12: in the opening, it's been total mixed messages. We hear 576 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 12: different things on different days at different hours from the administration. 577 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 12: John Kirby yesterday said, now, these are mostly planes, you know, 578 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 12: don't worry about it. Majorcus has basically said the same thing. 579 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 12: These are primarily planes and hobby drones, and it's not. 580 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: Something we should worry about. 581 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 12: My question for these guys is what number of unidentifiable 582 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 12: drones above my house is acceptable? 583 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 4: At what point may I worry? 584 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 12: Secretary mayorcis I understand there's planes out there, and there 585 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 12: are plenty of drone enthusiasts flying their own drones around. 586 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 12: I understand that. I appreciate that, and it's possible not 587 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 12: every dot in the sky we see is in fact 588 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 12: a drone, But we do have confirmation from military bases 589 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 12: here in New Jersey that there are indeed drones, unidentifiable drones, 590 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 12: zipping around our neighborhoods. 591 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 4: And my question for the administration is, if. 592 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 12: We don't know who they are, what they are, where 593 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 12: there came from, and what they're doing here, how many 594 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 12: is acceptable? 595 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: And at what number can I start worrying? 596 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very valid question, Michael. Is there a 597 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: chance because I remember the first time that someone pointed 598 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: out water towers on the top tops of buildings in 599 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: New York City. Once I saw one, I saw them everywhere. 600 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: They were on the top every roof, and sometimes multiples. 601 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: Is there a. 602 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: Chance that maybe people haven't really been looking up a 603 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: lot at night and now because this is a part 604 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: of the news cycle, that people are seeing them everywhere. 605 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: Is there any chance that these are just hobby drones? 606 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: I know that typically they're flying a little lower than 607 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: they should be, but is there any chance that there 608 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: is this innocent explanation. 609 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 4: Well, it's a fair question, Amanda. I appreciate you asking it. 610 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 12: Yes, as I said, not every light blinking in the 611 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 12: sky is in fact an unidentified drone. Yes, we know 612 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 12: there are airplanes flying through the sky. Yes we know 613 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 12: many hobbyists have started flying their own drones in an 614 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 12: attempt to get a closer look at the unidentifiable drones. 615 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 12: So again we're being measured and reasonable here. But at 616 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 12: the same time, we do have confirmation. You don't just 617 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 12: have to take my word for it. We have confirmation 618 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 12: from Picatinny Arsenal here in northwest New Jersey that there 619 00:30:53,240 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 12: are numerous unidentifiable drones flying in our airspace. And you know, 620 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 12: we can quibble about the exact number, but I reiterate 621 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 12: my question, at what point may we start to worry 622 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 12: President Biden, Secretary Mariorchist John Kirby. 623 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: They need to. 624 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 12: I think one unidentifiable drone flying over a military base 625 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 12: in the United States of America is one too many. 626 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 12: And if they are not in fact in operation of 627 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 12: the US military, as the Pentagon said this morning, and 628 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 12: if we take them at their word, then it is 629 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 12: time to safely and securely take these drones out of 630 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 12: the sky. 631 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of people will say, I know, when 632 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: you fly a big plane, there's a flight plan, and 633 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: you know what the space you're crossing through with drones 634 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: this size? Are there any flight plans? Is that part 635 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: of the problem that you can't track these because there 636 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: are no flight plans for these large flying objects? 637 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: You know, great question for the administration. 638 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 12: I wish you luck getting an honest answer out of them. Yeah, 639 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 12: good luck, John. So my amateur, I I can't tell 640 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 12: I see them going left, right, up, down. 641 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 4: And everywhere in between. Occasionally we've actually. 642 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 12: Seen these drones form a line where six, seven or 643 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 12: eight of them form a line above us. That seems 644 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 12: to be coordinated if you ask me. And it's what 645 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 12: makes us operate under the assumption that these drones are 646 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 12: part of a coordinated effort in some way. So again 647 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 12: we're operating in darkness here. We are not getting any 648 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 12: answers from the administration. They tell us everything that these 649 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 12: drones are not. They have never told us what these 650 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 12: drones are. And if they can answer that question, or 651 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 12: if they're not willing to answer that question what these 652 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 12: drones are, I believe they are overdue to take action, 653 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 12: whether that is the military, the New Jersey Air National Guard, 654 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 12: which of course is part of the military, or maybe 655 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 12: even the New Jersey State Police authorizing them to take 656 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 12: down a few of these drones. 657 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: Let's start with that. 658 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 12: Let's take down a few of these drones in a 659 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 12: safe and secured and controlled way to look at them 660 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 12: up close and see them up close and do our 661 00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 12: best to identify. 662 00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: The darn thing. 663 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a good idea, Michael. 664 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: I know that New Jersey is not the number one 665 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: state for gun owners. 666 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 3: So if there are plenty of. 667 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: Gun owners in New Jersey, is there a concern for 668 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: you that at some point sometime down the road, probably 669 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: soon down the road, that there are going to be 670 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: some enterprising New Jerseys who decide that they want to 671 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: save New Jersey on their own. 672 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 4: I've wondered that myself. 673 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 12: You know, what you say about New Jersey on the whole, 674 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 12: I suppose is true. But the district I represent in 675 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 12: northwest New Jersey absolutely is a two A district. 676 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 4: And I'm proud to be a legislator. 677 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 12: Who has been fighting for the Second Amendment and legal 678 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 12: gun owners in New Jersey down in the State House 679 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 12: in Trenton. So I do wonder to myself sometimes why 680 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 12: a resident hasn't tried to take out one of these 681 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 12: drones on their own, and I'm not suggesting that they do, 682 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 12: because at the end of the day, this is the 683 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 12: job of our federal government to handle these unidentified objects 684 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 12: in the sky. That is their job, not residents. I 685 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 12: think part of the reason, though, Amanda, to ask your 686 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 12: answer your question a little more specifically, are pretty high 687 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 12: up in the sky, so I think it might be 688 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 12: difficult for your average gun owning resident, New Jersey resident 689 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 12: to try to take them out on their own. Again, 690 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 12: I'm not suggesting they do, and I wouldn't condone them 691 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 12: if they did. So we really need federal engagement here, 692 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 12: federal leadership and some involvement. 693 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: So we'll stay for the record. 694 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, a Southwest plane got hit by 695 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: a bullet. 696 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, you know. 697 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 12: Then, not suggesting that that sounds like a dangerous situation, 698 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 12: but this is where we need our federal government to 699 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 12: step in and provide that leadership so real quickly. 700 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: In the last twenty four hours, there's been an addition 701 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: to the list of possible explanations. Law enforcement is a 702 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: possible secret service. Some of these other federal agencies are 703 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: doing some law enforcement work in teching out technology that 704 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: seemed to be an addition to the list in the 705 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: last twenty four to forty hours. 706 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 12: I think you're right, John, that has been added to 707 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 12: the list. Again, we don't know. These are theories, these 708 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 12: are assumptions. These are our own, you know, attempts at 709 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 12: speculating at what it is that's going on up there. 710 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 12: And if it is what you described, some type of 711 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 12: operation by the Secret Service, I think if the federal 712 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,959 Speaker 12: government and the Secret Service in particular had just come 713 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 12: clean from the start and say we are going to 714 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 12: engage in a military exercise and we are doing so 715 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 12: for this general reason, I think most New Jerseyans would 716 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 12: give the Secret Service a good amount of deference to 717 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 12: execute on that mission. But because they haven't done so, 718 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 12: it's either a really bad attempt at pr where they 719 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 12: truly don't know what's going on. And if it's the latter, 720 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 12: you got to start taking the drones down. It's one 721 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 12: or the other. This is a binary choice, come clean 722 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 12: or take them down. 723 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: That's a great point. One thing. I know, the good 724 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: people in New Jersey in your district know you really 725 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: have been fighting for the truth. You've just been going 726 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: out and I think they're greatly appreciated that you're looking 727 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: out for them, and we're going to get you back 728 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: on as we get more about this. Good to have 729 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: you on a sembleman. Thanks for joining us today. 730 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 4: We're not stopping it. I appreciate it. Thank you very much, 731 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 4: John and Amanda. 732 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: Pretty awesome to have you on. Thank you sir. All Right, folks, 733 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: we're going to take quick commercial break. We've got a 734 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: big question asking the next segment, how can we fix 735 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: the FBI? A lot of big discussions on that. Joining 736 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: us former FBI Executive Director Chris piot I hope you 737 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: here to join us in just a second. 738 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 3: Welcome back everybody to justin News and Noise. 739 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: President Trump has been quite explicit about his goals when 740 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: he returns to the White House on January twentieth, and 741 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: one of them will be reforming a lot of the 742 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: current government and that starts primarily with the DOJ and 743 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 2: the FBI. 744 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 3: But how can they do it? With us to. 745 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 2: Discuss that retired FBI executive director and author of the 746 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: book wanted the FBI I once knew Chris. 747 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: I ho to Chris. 748 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 13: Great to see you again, pleasure man, and thank you 749 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 13: and appreciate some time to share some ideas with you 750 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 13: and your audience. 751 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: Exciting, absolutely, and I want to start with some of 752 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: your great ideas. You and I have had conversations about 753 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 2: what a new, reformed FBI could look like when it 754 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 2: comes to the pushback against a prospective director like Cash Battel, 755 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: who has talked about going in and cleaning up and 756 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: basically being a custodian type director who cleans. 757 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 3: Out all the gunk. What are they so afraid of? 758 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: What's the worst that could happen if you go and 759 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: try to reform and clean it out. 760 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 9: I think you have a The FBI is. 761 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 13: A very monolithic organization, and what I think you're going 762 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 13: to have is a. 763 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 9: Lot of fear and uncertainty. 764 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 13: It happened after nine to eleven, and they're looking at 765 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 13: another season of change so to speak now with the 766 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 13: new administration coming in a lot of unknowns. 767 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 9: And I hate to say it, but I think. 768 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 13: There's a certain level of organizational ego and hubris that 769 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 13: will provide that inertia. It'll provide that opposing force for 770 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 13: someone to come in and look at some foundational changes 771 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 13: for the organization. 772 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wrote a very important book, one of 773 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: my favorite books, The last couple of years wanted the 774 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: FBI I once knew, and I think this title summarizes 775 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: with so many fields and light. Agents tell me every 776 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: time I meet them in the field, they want to 777 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: get back to the FBI that SolV crimes, had good ethics, 778 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: didn't do politics, just did crime. How wide does that 779 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: sentiment right now and how helpful could that be for 780 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: the rank and file to rally behind a guy like 781 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: Caspartel to get the bureau back to that mission. 782 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 13: What we're looking at is people want to go back 783 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 13: to the Bureau of old when it comes to the values, 784 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 13: the beliefs, the culture, the leadership environment, the operational practices 785 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 13: that made the bureau legendary, and we've drifted away from 786 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 13: those over the years. And the Bureau after nine to 787 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 13: eleven was ill use the term corporate tize. 788 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 9: We had some consultants come. 789 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 13: In after nine to eleven at the direction of the 790 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 13: national leadership, and the FBI started trying to run itself 791 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 13: as if it was a Silicon Valley software company or 792 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 13: a bank, And at its soul, the FBI is neither 793 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 13: of those types of organizations. It is a mission organization, 794 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 13: is a protective function, and it is a national security 795 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 13: function that keeps us safe and it also combats crime problems. 796 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 13: So the FBI is a complex operating environment. People want 797 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 13: to get back to. Let's get some cases in, Let's 798 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 13: get some work done. Let's protect the American people and 799 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 13: not be so interested in some of the social distractions 800 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 13: and some of the other political matters that have kind 801 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 13: of taken route. 802 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 3: Chris. 803 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: Last night on our show, we had former FBI agent 804 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 2: now whistleblower garretto Boyle, and he talked about how many 805 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: of the former agents who he has spoken to are 806 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 2: actually excited about having some new leaderships and fresh blood 807 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 2: on the seventh floor of the FBI building. Your thoughts 808 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: on what type of reform, what is the percentage of 809 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 2: change that can happen at that organization? 810 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 3: Just by doing a tetris wiping out of the. 811 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 13: Seventh floor, you're looking at probably at least a sixty 812 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 13: to seventy percent solution. I mean, the leadership that has 813 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 13: taken hold over the past several years has allowed the 814 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 13: FBI to drift off course and it gives us the 815 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 13: unfavorable FBI conditions that we have right now. I've seen 816 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 13: mister O'Boyle speak and talk about his situation and what 817 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 13: they did to him according to his reporting up on 818 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 13: the Hill, and what I saw there was that is 819 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 13: an organizational culture that is toxic and petty and arrogant, 820 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 13: and that's not how you treat your own people. And 821 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 13: if I think, if we treat our own people like 822 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 13: they treated mister Boyle, then how do we expect the 823 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 13: American public to ask us to come to help them. 824 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: That's a great point where Lee Well said in the book, 825 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: and I think in what you just said, they're one 826 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: of the when the corporatization of the FBI current under 827 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: Bob Miller, one of the other things that seems to 828 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: happen is that the seventh floor, or headquarters, started to 829 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: pull a lot of the cases out of the field. 830 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: They're metal in the cases, and when the FBI's best, 831 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: they leave the cases in the field and the agents 832 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: who are closest to the crime do the best work. 833 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: Why was that that temptation to meddle so often in 834 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: cases from headquarters when it didn't happen for much of 835 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: the FBI's history. 836 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 13: Well after the spectacular event on nine to eleven, we 837 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 13: were seeing as having failed, and headquarters sought to maintain 838 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 13: centralized control over the counter terrorism programs and the counter 839 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 13: intelligence programs and all the national security work. That was 840 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 13: a post nine to eleven consequence, and it also showed 841 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 13: that there was a lowered sense of confidence in the 842 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 13: FBI leadership out in the field to protect the American people. Now, 843 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 13: I understand that in that crisis mode we went to 844 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 13: a more centralized management structure, but they really never released 845 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 13: it back out to the field for the national security work. 846 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 13: And I think it's time for us to take a 847 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 13: look at that. And if we don't have the right 848 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 13: people in the field to run those programs, then we 849 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 13: have to get the right people to run those programs. 850 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 13: We can't just manage the amount of headquarters because you'll 851 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 13: see the I guess you can say the extreme consequence 852 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 13: of doing that is the crossfire hurricane investigation. 853 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 2: Chris, Before we let you go, there's kind of a 854 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: solution baked into the suggestion that you move agencies outside 855 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: of Washington. 856 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 3: Does the director have to be in Washington? 857 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 2: I mean, is there a scenario where the director is 858 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: someone who rotates to field offices across the country and 859 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 2: is not necessarily centralized in spending most of his time 860 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: in the swamp. 861 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 13: The director is at the I hate to say beck 862 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 13: and call of the Chief Executive. He has to be 863 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 13: available for briefings, and he has to be available for 864 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 13: consultation not only with the White House, but with the 865 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 13: Attorney General. So there's a lot of collapse that happens 866 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 13: between the FBI director, other members of the Department of Justice, 867 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 13: as well as the intelligence community. 868 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 9: If he is not located in the DC. 869 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 13: Proper area, it'll create delays and latency in him being 870 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 13: able to plan and execute certain objectives with his partners. 871 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 13: And also, I think that moving the FBI out of 872 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 13: DC could have its own challenges. If you have a 873 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 13: defective culture at the FBI now and you move them 874 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 13: to Oklahoma, now you're taking a defective culture in an organization, 875 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 13: and you're taking them away from the potential oversight from 876 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 13: the Hill and Department of Justice and other people who 877 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 13: would be able to look at the FBI and put 878 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 13: those parameters and guidelines in for them. And I don't 879 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 13: think moving a defective culture out of DC is a solution. 880 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: Good point, and considering the reputation of the agency right now, 881 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure Oplham would take him. I feel like 882 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 2: this is a hot potato and nobody really, nobody really 883 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 2: wants it. So I guess DC it is Chris i Hoed, 884 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 2: a retired FBI executive director and author of the great. 885 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 3: Book Everybody go check it out. It's called Wanted the FBI. 886 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 3: I once new Chris. 887 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us tonight and coming up, everybody, 888 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 2: what should President Trump's policies be with respect to AI. 889 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that after this break. 890 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to just the news, no noise. It's 891 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 2: our final block, so let's get added. One thing that 892 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 2: the Trump administration is sure to focus on is artificial intelligence. 893 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: So what kind of policy should President Trump be focused 894 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: on and ultimately implement. 895 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 3: Joining us now to talk about that. 896 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 2: AI expert and business founder and CEO Paul Powers. 897 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,919 Speaker 3: Paul, thanks so much for being here. 898 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 11: Thanks for having me. 899 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 2: You know, twenty twenty four, I think that that was 900 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 2: the first time that AI was a mainstream converse within 901 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 2: the context of an elect In twenty twenty I think 902 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 2: some people on the fringes of tech society knew about it, 903 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: but for lay people like me, I don't even know 904 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: technically what it meant. When it came to computing for 905 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 2: this administration, what guardrails do you think need to be 906 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: in place. 907 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 14: I think that we need to not put up too 908 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 14: many guardrails. The biggest concern that I have with when 909 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 14: it comes to AI is an AI itself, is our 910 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 14: adversaries beating us in the race. We're really in the 911 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 14: equivalent of a nuclear arms race right now. 912 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 11: But unlike the nuclear arms race. 913 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 14: Where you have a certain level of technology you can 914 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 14: reach and then it kind of plateaus, AI doesn't plateau. 915 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 14: AI continues to grow at an exponential rate. So it's 916 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 14: not a race that you can afford to lose or 917 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 14: fall behind in any way if it works in factors 918 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 14: of exponentials, right, So being behind six months or a year, 919 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 14: you might. 920 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 11: As well be in a different decade. 921 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 14: And that's why it's critical for America to lead continue 922 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 14: to lead the AI race, and the only way to 923 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 14: do that is by not putting into many guardrails. I 924 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 14: the most important thing is to invest into the into AI. 925 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 14: And I was really excited to see the announcement with 926 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 14: SoftBank that President Electnald Trump announced along the SAFT bit 927 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 14: at Banks leadership earlier this week, because it means that 928 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 14: we're doing exactly what we should be doing, and that's 929 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 14: investing in AI to make sure that we continue. 930 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 7: To lead that race. 931 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, big moment. And also Japan and the Pacific RIM 932 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: siding with the United States over China, which is the 933 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: main competitor for the AI race, really significant. There is 934 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 1: another part of investment that is going to need to occur. 935 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: The AI machinery uses so much electricity and power, and 936 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: our grid is not very reliable right now, and all 937 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: of the investments in intermittent energy have left us falling behind. 938 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: How important is it to get our energy system, the 939 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: grid in more power load in place quickly. 940 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 11: It's very important. 941 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 14: AI requires a lot of GPUs. Well, that means is 942 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 14: basically just think electric city hungry computing. And that's why 943 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 14: you're starting to see a lot of companies, especially larger 944 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 14: tech companies, actually investing pretty heavily in nuclear energy. And 945 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 14: they're doing that not in the form of traditional nuclear 946 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 14: energy where it's part of a really large grid, but 947 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 14: actually small modular systems. And I think that that's going 948 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 14: to play an increasingly large role in the near future 949 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 14: as well. 950 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 11: So you'll start to see lots. 951 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 14: Of smaller nuclear power plants, and they'll be instead of 952 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 14: maybe you're running power for entire city, they might just 953 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 14: be running power for a factory or even a building. Right, 954 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 14: you can imagine a future world where was its modular 955 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 14: enough and safe enough, potentially even runs I don't want 956 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 14: to say vehicles just yet, but much smaller bits of infrastructure, right, 957 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 14: like individual buildings. Perhaps, I think that's really the current 958 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 14: trend when it comes to energy prey on pretty exciting, paul. 959 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 2: AI is kind of in the Model T phase of development. 960 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 2: It is still so early, even though it is technologically 961 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 2: so unbelievably advanced to many of us. I'll be honest, 962 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 2: it scares me a whole lot because I see down 963 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 2: the road what it can do. But what are some 964 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 2: of the exciting things that it can do that we 965 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 2: should all actually. 966 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 3: Look forward to. 967 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 14: Well, let me speak to the concern first, right, So 968 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 14: a lot of people say, hey, AI scares me, and yeah, 969 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 14: change is scary. AI is changing the world much faster 970 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 14: than anything we've ever seen in our lifetimes. I mean 971 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 14: when the Internet boom happened, right, I mean, I'm old 972 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 14: enough to remember when we got internet for the first time, 973 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 14: and I remember thinking like, wow, this is going to 974 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 14: change everything. But I had years to process that and 975 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 14: get used to it, whereas with AI, I mean, if 976 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 14: you don't know what chat GPT is, you're already behind, 977 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 14: and you're going to be really far behind in a 978 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 14: few months, let alone a few years. So it's moving 979 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 14: much faster than anything we've seen in our lifetimes. But 980 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 14: the way that you combat that isn't by saying, well, 981 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 14: let's just pause AI or let's slow down AI, because 982 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 14: no one's going to slow down except for maybe a 983 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 14: local government or maybe a national government. 984 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 11: AI is going to continue to work really quickly. 985 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 14: And much rather that the US is leading that charge 986 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 14: than China and you know, or other authoritarian governments or 987 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 14: adversaries at the US. So I wouldn't worry about AI 988 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 14: so much as I would look at it as actually 989 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 14: a very very powerful tool that enhances what you do. 990 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 14: A lot of people worry that it's going to take 991 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,280 Speaker 14: their jobs. But they said the same thing about the Internet. 992 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 14: They said the same thing actually about if you look 993 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 14: back really far in history, the printing press books, He's 994 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 14: going to be written out by hand, right, I mean, 995 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 14: so it doesn't replace jobs, it changes the nature of jobs, 996 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 14: and what it does is it removes the mundane, repetitive 997 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 14: things that people have to do. 998 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 11: Yeah, and it also. 999 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 2: When you look at the course of history, people said 1000 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 2: devastating things about a mirror and romance novels. They thought 1001 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 2: that was going to be the end of society. Paul, 1002 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. We're going to 1003 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 2: have to have you back on again very soon to 1004 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 2: talk about this because I still I'm very scared about it. 1005 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 2: But I'm going to have to find some twenty year 1006 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 2: old to help me downloadchat GPT so I can finally 1007 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 2: get up with it and figure it out. 1008 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 3: All right, everybody, that's all we have. Grit Centerville is 1009 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,760 Speaker 3: at next We'll see tomorrow.