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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing anymore, Sophie, what do

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Speaker 1: what do we? What do we? What are we all

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Speaker 1: here for? We're here for part two of your podcast

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Speaker 1: behind that. You're the host. Your name is Robert Evans,

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Speaker 1: and your guest today is the magnificent, wonderful, fantastic, incredibly

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Speaker 1: Let me see open abortion? It's time for abortion of abortion?

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Speaker 1: to make like stopping any uh any of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: like the crusade that they that they embark upon. Um.

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Speaker 1: We talked in the Fallwell episodes about how like once

430
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Speaker 1: upon a time, abortion was a non issue for American evangelicals,

431
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Speaker 1: Like a lot of American right wingers and evangelicals used

432
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Speaker 1: to be pro abortion back and like the seventh the

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Speaker 1: sixties and early seventies, and Slatly gets a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit for making it into a political like culture war issue,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of like what she's doing in this period.

436
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Speaker 1: She's taking all of these things that were kind of

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Speaker 1: bipartisan that are now even today, like the idea of like, oh,

438
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Speaker 1: we should have a national daycare program that used to

439
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Speaker 1: not be a partisan issue. A lot of conservatives used

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Speaker 1: to support that issue. Slaughly turns it into like if

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Speaker 1: you support that, you support communism. Abortion used to not

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Speaker 1: be a big political issue. Slaughly starts organizing and propagandizing

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Speaker 1: to make it into one. She's just creating culture wars.

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Speaker 1: That's Philish Laughlely in the nineteen seventies. She's she's helping

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Speaker 1: to be the midwife to all of these culture wars

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Speaker 1: that are still with us today. Well, she's kind of

447
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Speaker 1: pushing people into this corner. Yeah, we hadn't been divided

448
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Speaker 1: about this stuff. Yeah, you're right there. She's pushing people

449
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Speaker 1: into this corner to where like, you can't debate about this,

450
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Speaker 1: you can't come to an agreement about this, you can't

451
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Speaker 1: meet each other in the middle. This is something that

452
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Speaker 1: we fight over forever now, right because there's people whom

453
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Speaker 1: for religious the reasons will always be on one side.

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Speaker 1: And she forces that an entire party to only represent

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Speaker 1: that side and then forcing the other party to take

456
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Speaker 1: the other side, which means that if you fall anywhere

457
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Speaker 1: in the middle on any other issues, but that's the

458
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Speaker 1: one thing you won't budge on, you have to join

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Speaker 1: that party, whether or not economically or anything else. Uh

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Speaker 1: makes sense for you. Yes, And also she convinces in

461
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Speaker 1: her propaganda pushes a lot of uh, pushes a lot

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Speaker 1: of people to who pushes a lot of religious conservatives

463
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Speaker 1: who hadn't been against abortion to consider that like a

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Speaker 1: key issue for them. Like again, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of like a decent amount of like evangelicals who had

466
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Speaker 1: been okay with with at least some abortions prior to this,

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Speaker 1: and she shuts that ship down. She's a huge part

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Speaker 1: of this becoming a black and white, no compromise, We're

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Speaker 1: just going to fight about this till the heat death

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Speaker 1: of the universe issue. And that's her goal is to

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Speaker 1: make as many of those issues as possible because they

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Speaker 1: create a durable coalition. You can't have coalition switch like

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Speaker 1: they did with the Republican and Democratic Party. They switched

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Speaker 1: in like the early around like civil rights and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You cannot have your coalition switch. You can't. People will

476
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Speaker 1: not leave your coalition if you convince them that the

477
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Speaker 1: only thing on the other side is the devil. And

478
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Speaker 1: like that's Philish Laughley's goal is to create culture wars

479
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Speaker 1: that cannot be resolved because it means that the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party has a durable electorate to to represent it um

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Speaker 1: and I want to quote, there's a woman named Tanya

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Speaker 1: Melick um And and melick is generally considered to be

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Speaker 1: one of the founders of like the modern women's political movement.

484
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Speaker 1: She was one of the first like women in like

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Speaker 1: mainstream American politics in a big way. She helped organize

486
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Speaker 1: a bunch of like, uh different kind of grassroots things.

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Speaker 1: She and she was she was a conservative activist for

488
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Speaker 1: most of her career who kind of turned around at

489
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Speaker 1: a later date and came to regret some of what

490
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Speaker 1: she'd done. And she was a contemporary of Phyllis Is

491
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Speaker 1: and she watched all of this happen, and so she

492
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Speaker 1: kind of she's a good she's a good person to

493
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Speaker 1: go to for like a description of like what Philish

494
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Speaker 1: Laughly is building during this period of the early nineteen seventies. Quote.

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Speaker 1: It was Slaughly, with her authoritarian leadership and expert grassroots organizing,

496
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Speaker 1: who made the religious right a political player. It was Slaughly,

497
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Speaker 1: first of the Goldwater and then of the New Right

498
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Speaker 1: team who on earth the political gold of misogyny. It

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Speaker 1: was Slaughly who translated fear of women's liberation into a

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Speaker 1: political force in the Republican Party and thereby stinted the

501
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Speaker 1: foundation of the Republicans Southern strategy. Now, not only did

502
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Speaker 1: the strategy flourish on the backlash of the civil rights movement,

503
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Speaker 1: but it was broadened to include a backlash against the

504
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Speaker 1: Women's movement. To Mellet claims that Shlafley's tactics were consciously

505
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Speaker 1: modeled on the moral panic and the fearmongering that right

506
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Speaker 1: wingers had tried to ignite during the battle over desegregation UM.

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Speaker 1: A number of the evangelical leaders who made up the

508
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Speaker 1: Moral Majority had wound up in expensive battles with the

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Speaker 1: I R S over whether or not they had to

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Speaker 1: disegregate their whites only religious schools. We talk about this

511
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Speaker 1: in the Jerry Folwell episodes, and that's what Fallwell and

512
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Speaker 1: way Rich had launched the Moral Majority to fight against

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Speaker 1: school integration, and they'd had some success in like getting

514
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Speaker 1: a dedicated base of evangelical extremists together, but segregation was

515
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Speaker 1: actually really unpopular. So this the the their initial plan

516
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Speaker 1: for the Moral Majority doesn't work out, and by the

517
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Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies it becomes clear to them to fall

518
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Speaker 1: Well into way Rich that they were backing the wrong horse,

519
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Speaker 1: and they start looking for new ideas as part of

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Speaker 1: their plan to build a new political coalition that, in

521
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Speaker 1: way Rich's words, would be defined by US conservatives in

522
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Speaker 1: moral terms, packaged in non religious language, and propagated throughout

523
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Speaker 1: the country by our new coalition. So he's trying to

524
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Speaker 1: basically take religious conservatism, package it and non religious language

525
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Speaker 1: and and push it on the entire country. And he's

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Speaker 1: looking for a way to do that Um, and he

527
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Speaker 1: realizes that while he in Um Fallwell have been fucking

528
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Speaker 1: around with anti segregation, Philish Slofly has figured out how

529
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Speaker 1: to build this coalition on her own. In the stop

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Speaker 1: e r A fight like, She's she's put together the

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Speaker 1: thing that Fallwell wanted to make in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And so like, while Fallwell is the guy and and

533
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Speaker 1: way Ri's getting like the credit for starting the moral majority,

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Speaker 1: Phyllis is the one who makes figures out how to

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Speaker 1: make it work as an electoral coal coalition. She she

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Speaker 1: figures out how to actually find people for this ship Um,

537
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: and she does it in a variety of ways, not

538
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Speaker 1: just by stoking like she stokes fears about how you know,

539
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Speaker 1: the the the r A is going to like change

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Speaker 1: the nature of her aationships between women and men and

541
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Speaker 1: destroy housewives. She also brings up fears about gay people.

542
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: She starts to play that claim that since religious schools

543
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Speaker 1: have been forced to desegregate, the e r A would

544
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: mean forced gay marriage. So she's again forced gay marriage.

545
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Speaker 1: She's the first person in an organized way to try

546
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Speaker 1: to build a coalition around the fear that religious like

547
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Speaker 1: churches will be forced to marry gay people if gay

548
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: people get civil rights. Like that's that's Philish Laughley's invention too.

549
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: That ship was with us in the early two thousands,

550
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: Like I grew up in that ship. I've heard of

551
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Speaker 1: partial birth abortion was a term coined by this group.

552
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Speaker 1: Was she part of that. I'm sure she had a

553
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Speaker 1: role in it. I don't know about that specifically. Like

554
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: the reframe things that sounds so much like forced any marriage,

555
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: forced marriage by itself sounds bad, you know, Like like

556
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Speaker 1: then you're adding all these fears that people have, Like

557
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: forced by itself sounds bad, forced anything, forced lunch. I'm like,

558
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Speaker 1: but it's interesting and like normally when people talk about

559
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Speaker 1: forced marriage, they're talking about like people being forced into marriages.

560
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: She's talking about that Christians will be forced to recognize

561
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Speaker 1: gay marriages. UM, don't force you into marriage. I don't know.

562
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, there are our products and services pick

563
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Speaker 1: uh a a romantic partner for life for every single

564
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Speaker 1: one of our listeners. My dad will be thrilled for me. Yeah.

565
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Speaker 1: If you refuse um, then they will they will destroy

566
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Speaker 1: you because this is this is the totalitarianism. Um that

567
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: that I want to support with this podcast is forced

568
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: marriages for everybody. UM yeah yeah, so uh, grab whatever

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Speaker 1: partner has been picked by a machine for you and

570
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: listen to these other ads. So yeah, we're back. So

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Speaker 1: Slatley is the first person in like a really organized

572
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Speaker 1: way to kind of to to to start propagandizing over

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Speaker 1: the fear of like that churches are going to be

574
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Speaker 1: forced to conduct gay marriages. Like she brings that into

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Speaker 1: the public. These are all things that are still with us.

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Speaker 1: She's also one of the first people in the first person,

577
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Speaker 1: I think, in like an organized way to raise an

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Speaker 1: alarm about unisex bathrooms. Uh and how like and this idea,

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Speaker 1: like she starts trying to freak conservatives out with this

580
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Speaker 1: idea that like men are going to be using women's

581
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Speaker 1: rooms and women are gonna be using men's rooms and like,

582
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Speaker 1: think of what that will do to your kids. Like, again,

583
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Speaker 1: the ship that's with us today in slaugh Ley is

584
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Speaker 1: the person who ignites this fucking culture war. Consciously, I

585
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Speaker 1: have a dumb theory that because it's a lot of

586
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Speaker 1: these rich, rich, out of touch people that um, because

587
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Speaker 1: every most bathrooms in pretty middle class homes are unisex.

588
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Speaker 1: But I feel like because she grew up in a mansion,

589
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Speaker 1: it's like maybe she just doesn't like sharing bathrooms at all.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe her whole thing is like I cannot believe

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Speaker 1: that someone else, a person, another person, man or woman

592
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Speaker 1: will be in my bathroom because it's like, yeah, I

593
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Speaker 1: don't know, most of the family bathrooms are unit sex.

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Speaker 1: Like I've never been in a home. Actually, I've never

595
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Speaker 1: been in a home that separates men and women's time. Yes,

596
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Speaker 1: but you know, you know all of your family members,

597
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: and clearly we're all at more threat from like random strangers,

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Speaker 1: even though usually when people are sexually assaulted. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's dumb. Um. She's she again all she does in

600
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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and like early eighties, she's just starting

601
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: culture wars left and right. She's a fucking culture arsonist.

602
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: So she gets everybody like freaking out about bathrooms and

603
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Speaker 1: women using men's rooms and men using women's rooms. She

604
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Speaker 1: also gets uh, people lathered up over the possibility that

605
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Speaker 1: the e r A would lead to women getting sent

606
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Speaker 1: into combat. So this is like one of her like

607
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Speaker 1: propaganda lions, is that like, if we passed the Equal

608
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Speaker 1: Rights Amendment, women will be draftable and then suddenly you'll

609
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Speaker 1: have women fighting in battle. And thankfully, like most of

610
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Speaker 1: the culture wars that she started, we're still fighting today.

611
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Speaker 1: You'll still you'll hear bits about this here and there,

612
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Speaker 1: but like, for the most part, nobody winds about this

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Speaker 1: one anymore because I guess we've all gotten okay with

614
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Speaker 1: women getting shot to death. Yeah, it's gonna say that.

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Speaker 1: That one's one I would say. Sometimes you get lost

616
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Speaker 1: in the binary of these arguments, because if I were

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Speaker 1: to break down her emotions and just look at facts,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, in a real debate, that's actually a

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Speaker 1: valid point to bring up. We can explore because that

620
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Speaker 1: could be a real fear. And if we're moving towards

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Speaker 1: a place where women and men are you know, considered equal,

622
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Speaker 1: wishing should be and you're afraid to get drafted. Well,

623
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Speaker 1: then that there is something to explore there. But really

624
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Speaker 1: the problem is maybe more with a draft in general

625
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Speaker 1: of you know, it's not really this idea that men

626
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Speaker 1: and women are equal as this idea that you're afraid

627
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Speaker 1: of the draft and you thought you were safe, so

628
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Speaker 1: maybe you don't like the draft. Yeah, it's it's she's

629
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Speaker 1: she's finding as many ways as possible, like she again,

630
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Speaker 1: she's building a coalition, and so like it's this mix

631
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Speaker 1: of like stoking fear and stoking anger um and schlaf

632
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Speaker 1: Lee's work. What makes it so groundbreaking is that she

633
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Speaker 1: found a way to get a whole ship little white

634
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Speaker 1: ladies to fight actively against their own interests in political

635
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Speaker 1: rights rather than like, you know, this was an amendment

636
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Speaker 1: that would have given them legal equality, and she convinced

637
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Speaker 1: them that instead it was going to take away their

638
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Speaker 1: right to be supported and protected by men. She even

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Speaker 1: created a political lobbying group like the Eagle Forum, she

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Speaker 1: described as the alternative to Women's lib And she told

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Speaker 1: her followers, I think the main goal of the feminist

642
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Speaker 1: movement was the status degradation of the full time homemaker.

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Speaker 1: So she takes what's actually going on here is that

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Speaker 1: people are trying to guarantee and enshrine and law the

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Speaker 1: equality of women, and she convinces them, no, no, no,

646
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Speaker 1: If you're a homemaker and a wife, these people hate

647
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Speaker 1: you and they're trying to destroy your ability, like your existence,

648
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: that's what's happening here. They want to take this away

649
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: from you, They want to take your family from you.

650
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Speaker 1: That's the argument she's able to convince these people of.

651
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Speaker 1: She's she's not afraid of shit. She is doing all

652
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: of this because she she's an anti communist like extremist

653
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Speaker 1: and once the Republican Party to be in power so

654
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Speaker 1: that it can build all of the nukes in the world.

655
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: And she recognizes that the best way to get and

656
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Speaker 1: keep power in the party is to unite all these people.

657
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Speaker 1: And that's why she's doing all this propagandizing. More than anything,

658
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: she wants to to unite these because like her whole

659
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: life is um is an argument against everything that she

660
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: actually rallies for, right, Like she's an extremely liberated woman. Well,

661
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: that's why I felt like she's trying to she's actually

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Speaker 1: trying to keep people down. I agree with her wanting

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Speaker 1: power and uniting people, but it's like a false flag.

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Speaker 1: It feels like she wants to keep like take power

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Speaker 1: away from the people who have to follow her, because

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Speaker 1: if any of these if any of these women actually

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Speaker 1: get powerful, then they may they may change their mind

668
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: or like you know, fight against her or take her place.

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Speaker 1: And I think she wants to keep them down while

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Speaker 1: making them feel protected. Yeah, and and gathering, and like

671
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: that's the thing that she's able to do that's so impressive,

672
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: is like, so she's both convinces these women that like

673
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: feminist and whatnot are to take their ability, their right

674
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: to be protected by their husband, and she's able to

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00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: garner the support of religious, you know men by appealing

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Speaker 1: to their sense of Christian chivalry. Um schlaf Lee's Eagle

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00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Forums sent out letters to legislators which complained that women lawyers,

678
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: women legislators, and women executives feminists were all trying to

679
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: oppress simple homemakers and housewives. And the letter ended with

680
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a note, we the wives and working women need you,

681
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: dear senators and representatives, to protect us. So she's she's

682
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: both able to kind of like find and like pull

683
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Speaker 1: on this fear that these conservative homemakers have. These women

684
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Speaker 1: have over like their place being usurped um and kind

685
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: of the you know, the history moving beyond them, and

686
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: she's able to, uh like tug at the sense in

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00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: these like very conservative men that like, you need to

688
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: protect these women from this, this evil feminist conspiracy. Uh.

689
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: It's one of the most brilliant pieces of political maneuvering

690
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: in history. Schlaf Lely, acting more or less on her

691
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: own intuition, is responsible for holding much of what became

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Speaker 1: the religious right with her bare hands. Like all of

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00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: these groups, this hadn't been a coalition before, and she's

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Speaker 1: one of the she's one of the ground level workers

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Speaker 1: who's kind of putting it together. Um ilsa Hog who's

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00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: the former president of NARROW, which is like our big

697
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: pro choice organization in the United States and a lifelong

698
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: opponent of Shlaughley wrote a book called The Live at

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Speaker 1: Minds that includes really trenchant analysis of the voting block

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00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: that Phillis helped to create. It was kind of like

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Speaker 1: the key figure in creating quote. The women involved were

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00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly white, church going and from the rural and suburban

703
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: middle and upper class. By definition, they had privileges to lose,

704
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: benefiting by association with the white male Christian power structure.

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00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: These women quickly embraced Shlaughlee's core message that the push

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Speaker 1: for equality would erase legal differences between men and women.

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00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: They even bought her more tenuous message that the e

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Speaker 1: r A would lead to supported horrors like homosexual marriage,

709
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: unisex bathrooms, or women in combat. Soon she had activated

710
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Speaker 1: a grassroots army to zealously fight to maintain their privilege

711
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: at the expense of other women's political, social, and economic equity.

712
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: They cast these other women, often unmarried, single moms, gay women,

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Speaker 1: and women of color, as deserving of shame because of

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Speaker 1: their life choices. That all sounds familiar, because it's where

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Speaker 1: we are today. We never move on from Philish laugh

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Speaker 1: leg Where can I sign up? I want to join

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: this party? Sounds relatedly way rich and fallwell of the

718
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: moral majority realized that like Phillis has done what they

719
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: were trying and kind of like failing to do uh,

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Speaker 1: And they quickly moved to rebrand the religious right and

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Speaker 1: do it in the image of the coalition that Phillis

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Speaker 1: had built. Also, Hoe continues in her book quote, they

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Speaker 1: didn't dwell on the differences between her public facing messages

724
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Speaker 1: about gender equality, and their own still centered on religious

725
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: freedom and school segregation. They saw the harmony in their

726
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: ideology and narratives both factions. After all, we're warning their

727
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: audiences that the new buzzwords of equality, whether they were

728
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: applied to black people, gay people, or women, were tantamount

729
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: to attacking your family, your way of life, your privileged status.

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Speaker 1: The movement architects had a clear target for this message.

731
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Speaker 1: They had no viable path to gain political dominance with

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Speaker 1: zero support from women, given the racist underpinnings of the movement.

733
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Speaker 1: That needed. That meant they needed a good portion of

734
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Speaker 1: white women. Evangelical white women were already primed, since many

735
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Speaker 1: of them had been involved in the fight against desegregation.

736
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Speaker 1: White women had always been critical and driving a lot

737
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Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes organizing of the white supremacist movement.

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Speaker 1: A political platform of family autonomy and parental rights, a

739
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: kind of white supremacist maternalism is how Elizabeth Gillespie McRae

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Speaker 1: described this grassroots movement in her book Mothers of Massive Resistance.

741
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: White Women in the Politics of white supremacy. And that's

742
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Speaker 1: an important term, white supremacist maternalism, which is like it's

743
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: it's it's Karenism, right, It's like it's it's white suburban

744
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: moms and their hatred of everything that isn't white suburb

745
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: their hatred and fear of everything that isn't white suburban moms.

746
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: That's white supremacist maternalism. That is what Philish laughly welds

747
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Speaker 1: into an electoral coalition that she makes the core of

748
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And to this day that's who. That's

749
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: who fucking wins like that. That's a major factor in

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00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: their ability to win election. Um is white, white middle

751
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: class ladies. It's this idea of motherhood, but you're attaching

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00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: it to it's very specific, almost like kind of folky

753
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: old school memory of childhood. Like and they all similarly,

754
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of them grow up similarly, so they can

755
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: just kind of use some buzzwords to like kind of

756
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: trigger that. A lot of it is also co opting

757
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: the fear a lot of these these mothers have over

758
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: like what's going to happen like the world their kids

759
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: are growing up in because they don't understand it, and

760
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: making that fear law. So you get you know, in

761
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, laugh Ley and this this white supremacist

762
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: maternalist coalition are a big part of what launches Reagan

763
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Speaker 1: into the White House. And obviously, like one of the

764
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: things Reagan does is put his wife Nancy up to

765
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: like be the one of the faces of the war

766
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: on drugs and just say no. And that's like, that's

767
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: the that that is white supremacist maternalism in a nutshell,

768
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: is on the surface, you have all of these you

769
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: have these like white moms scared about their kids and

770
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Speaker 1: just wanting to protect their children, and like that's what

771
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're strong moms who want to protect our kids.

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00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: And what actually happens is you have this right wing

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Speaker 1: government put a car Serrale state into place that arrests

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of black and Hispanic people, um and

775
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: then monetizes their bodies through forced labor, and like that's

776
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Speaker 1: what happens in the background of this where you've got this.

777
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: But but a big part of why they're able to

778
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Speaker 1: sell it is this like we have to protect the

779
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: children's sort of thing like Philish last well they're doing

780
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Speaker 1: with Q and on now they're the pedophile ring. I mean,

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00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: it's always about protecting the kids. It's always about white

782
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Speaker 1: kids because it's I mean, like, I like this idea

783
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: that white children are so innocent, but then a black

784
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: teen is dangerous and you're like, wait a minute there,

785
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Speaker 1: you're not really using motherhood in the right way if

786
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: you're really about protecting people. But I think they're stoking

787
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: this idea because they want to keep Americans, or the

788
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Speaker 1: white Americans, in a constant of state of almost like adolescents.

789
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Speaker 1: Like because even though they say they don't want welfare state,

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're a child and you need

791
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: protection from your mom, you're gonna rely on your government

792
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and listen to them as if they're your parents. You're

793
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: not gonna think for yourself. And I think they this

794
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: like is a part of this power struggle, is like

795
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: creating this parental dynamic between the government and its constituents,

796
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and it's stoked by this maternal sort of like imagery. Yeah,

797
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of what's going on here. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to continue quoting from il Zaho because I

799
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: think what she says about Slaughly and what she does

800
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: is really interesting here. Quote laugh Ly definitely steered these

801
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: white women towards more public acceptance and folded them into

802
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: the effort to fight gender parody measures. She never asked

803
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: them to check their racism at the door. If anything,

804
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: she told adherents who balked at the racist tendencies of

805
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: their fellow warriors to swallow their displeasure for the sake

806
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: of the cause. For her, these issues were two sides

807
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: of the same coin, as stop e r A and

808
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: the Eagle Forms cemented themselves as the new Rights Ladies Auxiliary.

809
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: They found a sphere where they could raise their voices

810
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: and flex some power without threatening the men in their lives.

811
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: They used their collective weight to throw women's issues, to

812
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: whitewash the racist underbelly of the movement and show up

813
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: traditional power systems. Stop e r A was extremely brand conscious.

814
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: They knew their value was in the perfect combination of

815
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: fierce advocacy wrapped an unapologetic traditional femininity. They were known

816
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: for baking pies and breads to hand out to lawmakers

817
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: with the slogan from the Breadmakers to the Breadwinners. They

818
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: shamelessly flattered male lawmakers, is a core part of the

819
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: lobbying strategy. So this is a This is like gut

820
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: wrench ng and horrible, but it's also brilliant, like Shlafley

821
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: is an incredibly intelligent and effective political operator. Um, she

822
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: was a master using identity politics. Yeah, I mean I

823
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: like that. Like it makes me annoyed that they took

824
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: this idea of nurturing and gave it to the right,

825
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm very much a die hard left ist,

826
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm very radical in existence, but I'm like, I

827
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: like to nurture. I like to bake pies. Now, I now,

828
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: you guys took that and made an extreme conservative than Yeah,

829
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's this is really what keeps the Republican Party,

830
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: what brings it back to life right after like and

831
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: this is what brings Ronald Reagan into office. And again,

832
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: once you've got Reagan, you've got because because Reagan was

833
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: like one of the big guys who rose in defensive

834
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Barry Goldwater. So like Nixon, with Nixon kind of this

835
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: this sort of corporatist and and you know we're going

836
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a bigger tent party. Like this

837
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: idea of what the Republican Party could be collapses because

838
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Nixon was a criminal. Um, and but what what replaces

839
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: it is Reagan and this like religious uh fundamentalist, um,

840
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: white supremacist sort of view of what the party should

841
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: fundamentally be. Like that's that that really really takes a

842
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: hold under Reagan. Like obviously Nixon had engaged in a

843
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: bunch of white supremacists ship, but like under under Reagan

844
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: and thanks to kind of the coalition, Slaughley builds this

845
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: like they figure out a way to make it work, right,

846
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: and it becomes like the Republican Party has never stepped

847
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: away from this ship. Like the thing they embraced with

848
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Laughley is the cult of Southern white womanhood and like

849
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: like you know, this this opposition, this violent opposition to

850
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: feminism and the idea that like, um, there should be

851
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: any sort of like move for a quality between the

852
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: genders and stuff, like they this the Schlafley's that Shlaughley

853
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: in a nutshell um And yeah it's it's a real bummer.

854
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: You know what's not a real bummer, Robbert the products

855
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: and services that support this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, So the

856
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: coalition that she creates, it comes along at this time

857
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: when like Fallwell and and way Rich and these these

858
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of far right religious conservative crusaders were like trying

859
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: to grapple with the fact that white supremacy was not

860
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: as easy away too, Like open white supremacy didn't get

861
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: them votes, is easily a more um and like they

862
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: were seeing these civil rights leaders making advances in society

863
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: and like open racist appeals losing like their power to

864
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: convince people and having to like soft pedal their racism,

865
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: and Philish Laughly provides them away to like, you don't

866
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: have to soft pedal your racism, you just have to

867
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: wrap it differently, like you can you can justify the

868
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: naked imprisonment of tens of thousands of young black men

869
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: if you just have a concerned mom get on screen

870
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: and talk about how scary drugs are, Like that's that's

871
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: that can work for you, Like, so that's yeah. The

872
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: GOP has been kind of playing this balancing act ever since.

873
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Philish Laughley, probably more than any other similar single person,

874
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: crafted the political strategies and laid the propaganda foundation for

875
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: the electoral strategy that's brought Republicans to power again and

876
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: again during our lifetimes. She is maybe these the main

877
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: architect of the right wings half century of steady political victories.

878
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: She's full of contradictions just to begin with, which then

879
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: just lee into more like even the I mean, obviously

880
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: everyone knows how contradictory they war on drugs is, but

881
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: just on a very basic level, on a class level,

882
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: like people say, like, oh, that's a drug neighborhood. You

883
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: to imply it's like a poor neighborhood, But every single

884
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: fucking like rich like Beverly Hill, those are all drug neighborhood.

885
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Like a mansion. Literally, you read one mansion, you can

886
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: find probably like so much cocaine, more than you would

887
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: find in a whole block in like you know, lower

888
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: those economic area. But that's not what people care about

889
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: because they're rich people. They just yeah, well, but because

890
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: it's about white supremacy and like that's what they're really

891
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: trying to do, and they yeah laugh Lely like Schlafly

892
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: isn't the one who has the idea to do that,

893
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: but she's the one who figures out how to actually

894
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: sell it, Like right, they've been wanting to do They

895
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: had been wanting it, attempting and doing that, like the

896
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: law had been weaponized and drug policy had been weaponized

897
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: and stuff before that. And like Phyllis isn't even like

898
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: a huge part of the anti drug crusade. She just

899
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: puts together this coalition and figures out this way of

900
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: marketing conservatism that lets them do that, that let's Reagan

901
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: get into office, that lets them justify all of this

902
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: this like it's it's her. She teaches the Republican Party

903
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: that the path to their success is to just endlessly

904
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: create a series of unsolvable culture wars. That that's how

905
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: you that's how you gain and keep power. Um. Yeah.

906
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty five, the e r A was still

907
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: three states short of ratification, and it it dies on

908
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: the fine right like it's a long fight starts in

909
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: seventy two and eighty five, but the e r A

910
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: is never ratified. It's still not an amendment. Phyllis killed it, basically,

911
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: and by the mid nineteen eighties she was killing more

912
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: than amendments. Starting in the late nineteen seventies, she'd pushed

913
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: to make hating gay people a major plank of the

914
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: Republican Party she was helping to build. Her Eagle Forum

915
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: newsletter published bigoted cartoons that insulted gay in particularly trans people.

916
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: As the AIDS crisis began to tear through the gay community,

917
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: she lastly became one of the loudest voices against doing

918
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: a single goddamn thing to help. In nineteen eighty eight,

919
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: when surgeon in Normal see Everett Coup, who we did

920
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: an episode about because he was actually a pretty good guy,

921
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: but we were talking about how shitty the Reagans were

922
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: on Age but see Everett Coop starts like this age

923
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: education program to try to get people basic information about

924
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: safe sex to try and reduce how many people are

925
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: dying of AIDS, and Slaughly calls it the teaching of

926
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: safe sodomy, and like basically goes toward counter messaging against

927
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: this very basic education program that the government's really good

928
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 1: at twisting words, uh, really quickly in a way that

929
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: like like sounds bad even to some Like I am

930
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: pro education, but like the way that those words hit

931
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: you feel the emotion, like you feel a negative connotation immediately, yep. So,

932
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: adding anti gay rhetoric to her e er A campaign

933
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: had allowed Slaughly to unite a number of conservative religious

934
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: groups behind her banner. Evangelical and Catholic bigots might not

935
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: have much in common aside from their hatred of gay people,

936
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: but Slaughly could use that to bring them together. I'm

937
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: gonna quote from Slate here Rwing from long standing opposition

938
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: to racial integration, interracial marriage, and mixed raced families, her

939
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: pamphlets and articles transposed racial rhetoric onto fears of homosexuality.

940
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: She frequently associated the e r A with the dangers

941
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: of sex mixing, homosexual marriage, and the threat of homosexual

942
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: school teachers. As early as nineteen seventy three, she warned

943
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: that the e r A would legalize homosexual marriages and

944
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: open the door to the adoption of children by legally

945
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: married homosexual couples. The e r A would enable these

946
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: gay rights, she said, because any law that defines a

947
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: marriage as a union of a man and a woman

948
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: would have to be amended to replace those words with person.

949
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: So Schlaughley's newsletters, like The Physical, The Phillish Slaughly Report

950
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: in The Eagle Form, regularly published cartoons depicting gay and

951
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: lesbian marriages, images that showed men dressed as women or

952
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: women dressed as men. Gender anarchy and sexual anarchy went

953
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: hand in hand for Slaughlely. Her nineteen seventy seven book

954
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: The Power of Positive Woman of the Positive Woman compiled

955
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: these anti gay ideas and exclaimed that firemen who constantly

956
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: risked their lives in our behalf should have the right

957
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: to make a judgment that they're close. Living and working

958
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: conditions make a homosexual coworker intolerable. So so they're not

959
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: afraid of going into a burning building, but they can't

960
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: share an office space with the gay person. But they're

961
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: scared of gay people. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. As the

962
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: eighties turned to the nineties, increasing right wing I mean, yeah,

963
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: she sure did well, Radcliffe. As the nineteen eighties turned

964
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: to the nineties, increasing numbers of right wing activists began

965
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to imitate Slaughley's use of anti gay bigotry. The campaign

966
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: against same sex marriage that coalesced in this period and

967
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: nearly succeeded in making it illegal to be gay and married,

968
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: was based in large part on the work of Philish Laughly.

969
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Like she's she's the underpinning ideologically of a lot of this,

970
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: Like she gets started the propaganda campaign that turns into

971
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: you know, the attempts to make the defensive Marriage Act

972
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm just going to start up counter campaign

973
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: and just make all marriages illegal. And that's what that's

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: what they do. They move the things so far, they

975
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: moved the line so far that in order to be

976
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: against them, you have to be extreme. But if I

977
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: do that, then it's like I was just fighting for marriage.

978
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: You're not fighting for gay marriages, raight marriages. Like marriage

979
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: is all illegal. Now if you're Republican, you just gotta

980
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: fight for gay marriage because marriage falls into that. I

981
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: think we ought to. I think we had to do

982
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: away with with gender entirely and just have you know, people,

983
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: people who have people who produce sperm can just generate

984
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of that will throw it in like a

985
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: wave pool, and people who want to have kids going there,

986
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: and that's that's it. No more, no more. That's the

987
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: future that liberals want is just a bunch of cum

988
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: filled wave pools and and no more gender. That's the dream.

989
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Wave pools are probably unfilled. Yeah, they are all cum filled. Yes,

990
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: that that is That's what Slaughley was trying to to

991
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: to prevent. She knew that our secret goal was just

992
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of semen encrusted water parks, and she was

993
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: she was fighting to stop our secret schemes. So I

994
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: don't know, like she's just she's just a piece of ship.

995
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: She's a real bad fucking person. So all of this,

996
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, she she helps ignite sort of like the

997
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: anti gay movement of the nineties and early two thousands,

998
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: and really, like, obviously homosexuality had been something that people

999
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: were like murdering folks over in the United States for

1000
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: a long time before Slaughly she figures out the language

1001
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: of how to sell that politically right, Like, that's the

1002
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: thing that she does. She doesn't create anti gay bigotry.

1003
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: She figures out how to sell it and keep it

1004
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: as keep it politically relevant in the modern age when

1005
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: you have to be less openly hateful. That's her talent.

1006
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: So when it came to h anti Jewish bigotry, s

1007
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Laughly in her organizations were a little bit more cunning.

1008
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: They they had to be careful about their opposition to

1009
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: the Jews. Um. The Eagle Forums newsletters never said the Jews,

1010
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: but they talked constantly about well financed minorities who were

1011
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: responsible for supporting liberal causes and pushing social change. And

1012
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: obviously who's the well finance manorities they're talking about, like

1013
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: rich Jewish people. Uh. In the nineteen book about Kissinger,

1014
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: s Laughly and her partner Admiral Ward included the line

1015
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: Henry says, some who know him has no God, does

1016
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: he have a country? So they're asked basically like is

1017
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger loyal to the United States or is he

1018
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: like a a wandering Jew without a country, which is

1019
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: like an ancient stereotype, right, this idea that like the

1020
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: jew Jewish people are not members of the societies, they

1021
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: live in their their members of the tribe, and like

1022
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: they're they're always working towards other ends. So again they

1023
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: don't shlaughly knows that you can't print the Jews in

1024
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of propaganda, but you can get everybody convinced

1025
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: that there's well financed minorities and when you name them,

1026
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: they're always Jewish who were supporting these social programs you

1027
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: think are evil. And it gets the point across to

1028
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: your followers, how is she um? Like I just nobody's

1029
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: pointing holes in the logic that she's saying. She's like

1030
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: for her country and she's claiming Kissingers anti his country.

1031
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: But then she's literally coming for her fellow countrymen, like

1032
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: I'm assuming these gay people protected under the Equal rights

1033
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: would be citizens, So she's literally doing that, She's coming

1034
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: for her countrymen. Yeah, but the people who like Philish

1035
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: Laughly doesn't think those are her countrymen, you know, that's

1036
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: why that's factually they are. They always focus about wanting

1037
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: to murder us, wanting to murder every like, yeah, definition

1038
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: is that those are her fellow I mean maybe she

1039
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like her country. It sounds like she doesn't like

1040
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: a country. There's about half the country that she wanted purged, right,

1041
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: That's like that's Slaughley. That's most hardcore conservatives these days

1042
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: is like that. And that's what she helps to build.

1043
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Is this this right wing coalition where she gets a

1044
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: lot of people on board. Like there's this core, this

1045
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: hard evil core of the of the new right. That's

1046
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: like the John Birch society, people who want everybody they

1047
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: disagree with murdered, and they're able to Slaughly helps them

1048
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: build this shield of folks who are very culturally conservative

1049
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want that, but she's able to weld them

1050
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: into an electoral coalition and then radicalize them to make

1051
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: them more and more hateful. Like that's the process that

1052
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: starts with Slaughley and ends with fucking Q and on.

1053
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: But they just project a lot because it's like they

1054
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: all say things like if you don't like it leave,

1055
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: but it sounds like they don't like it. It sounds

1056
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: like they're like they're literally projecting what they they are doing. Yeah,

1057
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't matter. It's just like they they

1058
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to destroy, uh, they're trying to destroy

1059
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: the idea of like progressivism, Like that's all they care

1060
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: about at the core. Um, that's what people like Slaughley,

1061
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: These secret the the secret John Birch agents you know

1062
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: are are are are all about. And Shlaughley's probably the

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00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: best of them at doing her job. So Phillis never

1064
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: earned mainstream Republican political acknowledgment, and like the way that

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00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: she wanted, she kind of wanted to be involved in

1066
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: defense policy. The Reagan administration never had a place for her.

1067
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Nobody ever really did. She never got the job of

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: overseeing the creation of a nuclear arsenal even more gigantic

1069
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: than our current one. But she got to see Reagan

1070
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: pushed for the star Wars missile defense system, and you

1071
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: know that had been based a lot on the fears

1072
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: that she helps stoke. And eventually, I think she seems

1073
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: to have accepted that she would be the architect of

1074
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: the Republican Party's future, but she was never going to

1075
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: hold like an office. She grew into an elder stateswoman

1076
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: of the radical right, never changing, never relenting, and always

1077
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: certain that her hatred of black people, gay people, Jewish people,

1078
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: and every non Christian, nonconservative would eventually bear electoral fruit.

1079
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: She passed her time by arguing with feminists, who hated

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00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: her for many things, but partly for the fact that

1081
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: she clearly spent her whole life taking advantage of the

1082
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: wonderful things the women's rights movement had fought so hard

1083
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: to earn for every woman. And despite the fact that

1084
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: she was very clearly a liberated career women and valued

1085
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: the progressive achievements that allowed her to do what she'd done,

1086
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: she laughtly spent every day of her working life fighting

1087
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: to roll those achievements back. In one famous debate, feminist

1088
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: mystique author Betty Friedan told slafely, I'd like to burn

1089
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: you at the stake. I consider you a traitor to

1090
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: your sex. I consider you an aunt Tom years later,

1091
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: she laughly told an interviewer that freedom had been very

1092
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: ugly to encounter. I reject all her ideology, most of

1093
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: it based on the absurd notion that the home is

1094
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: a comfortable concentration camp, and the suburban housewife is oppressed

1095
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: by her husband. In society. Laughley continued to fight against

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00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: women's rights and gay rights her whole life. In nineteen

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00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: six she made a deal with Pat Buchanan, whose campaign

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00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: she co chaired to work against, to work together to

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00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: write to write her crusade against legal abortion into the

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: firmament of the Republican Party. Bob Dole, the party's official

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: candidate in that election, wanted to change the GOP stance

1102
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: on abortion to something more tolerant. S Laughlely threatened to

1103
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: a floor fight against his nomination during the convention if

1104
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: Dole even allowed exceptions for raper incest, and she got

1105
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: her wish. The GOP's abortion plank has never since relented.

1106
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: In two thousand eleven, six hundred pieces of anti choice

1107
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: legislation were introduced in legislative bodies across the United States.

1108
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: These are one way or the other parts of Philish

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00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: Laughly's legacy. That year, when questioned about her legacy, s

1110
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: Laughlely herself responded, we are winning the abortion fight. Really,

1111
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: all the Republicans who are elected in two thousand ten

1112
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: or pro life, including all the women, and we're winning

1113
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: that fight, especially with young people. This was true in

1114
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: the era when that article I found that quoting was written.

1115
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: It cites a two thousand nine Gallop study that found

1116
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: a nine point increase since the nineteen nineties among respondents

1117
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty nine years of age who said that

1118
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. And if I

1119
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: can end this whole terrible story on a semi positive note,

1120
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: it would be that things aren't continuing in that direction.

1121
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: While the legal assault on reproductive health has only gotten

1122
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: worse over the last nine years, young people are actually

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: more likely to support abortion now than ever and then

1124
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: they were in two thousand nine when that article was written.

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00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: I found a really fascinating pr r I study that

1126
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: includes something very inspiring quote. Over the past five years,

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00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: young people are more likely to have changed their opinion

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00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: on abortion than any other group. Twenty nine percent reported

1129
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: a change, ten percent higher than any other age group.

1130
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: Young adults have changed their opinion to be more supportive

1131
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: nineteen percent rather than opposed ten percent to abortion, by

1132
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: a margin of almost two to one. So that's good. Well,

1133
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: I think um a lot of it is like the framing,

1134
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: like there's just so good at framing it. Like when

1135
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: I say I'm like, I'll say I'm pro choice, but

1136
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: I we shorthanded almost say like I'm for abortion, but

1137
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm not like four, I'm not like, hey, everyone, let's

1138
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: go get an abortion. I think pro choice is this

1139
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: idea that you should have a choice, but they've kind

1140
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: of pushed it into the corner where we are screaming

1141
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: about like our abortions. But the point is we want

1142
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: a choice, not that we all want to go and

1143
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: get an abortion. Like it's still like the thing can

1144
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: still be painful, but this idea that you don't have

1145
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: a choice is even worse. Yeah, And it seems like

1146
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: like Slaughley, the way that she framed it succeeded in

1147
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: reversing the gains of like the reproductive health movement of

1148
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: the wins rights movement for decades. It does seem like

1149
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: that's I mean, they have more political power than ever,

1150
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: but in terms of how many people agree with the

1151
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: ship she's saying, that seems to be less than there

1152
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: have been in decades, Like it seems like the wave

1153
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: might be turning back, like the propaganda doesn't work anymore. Finally,

1154
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: but she got decades out of that. Well, I think

1155
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: stuff like your podcast help, like literally information I think

1156
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: is the only thing that really illuminates um all these inconsistencies.

1157
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know. My theory about her

1158
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: is still she sucks. But I'm just hearing so much

1159
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: unresolved trauma, like her spoken up childhood and this rug

1160
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: being pulled out from her when her dad lost her job.

1161
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: I feel like she's forever distrusting of power structures, even

1162
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: though she is she becomes the power structure. She's afraid

1163
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: of these conspiracies because she thinks at any moment the

1164
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: things she puts her faith in will be taken away,

1165
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it needs to go to a

1166
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of trauma therapy. I think I don't know if

1167
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: it's trauma or like, I think that might be less

1168
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: likely in my reading of her life than that UM.

1169
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: Like she saw this UM, I think it was very

1170
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: like like an opportunity, but it hurt herself. So then

1171
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like she didn't have all the information.

1172
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: I think you were closest to write about her when

1173
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: you said like she wants to be on top, she

1174
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: wants to be as high as a woman can go

1175
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: and maybe part like she she doesn't. She doesn't like

1176
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: the idea of other women doing what she's doing, and

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: she actively works to stop it. But she wants she

1178
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: herself wants to be liberated. I don't know. I don't

1179
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't have a great handle. I don't know. Yeah,

1180
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe I'm reading it wrong. But I feel

1181
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: like all of her, her biographies, everything you find about

1182
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: her is so like written by people who are on

1183
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: the same side of the aisle as her, that it

1184
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: is hard for me to get a real like I

1185
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: I want to know more about how she actually felt

1186
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: as a kid when her dad, you know, her family's

1187
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: financial situation collapse and her mom had to take Like

1188
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: is that what is like seeing her dad, you know,

1189
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: depressed and out of work and her mom leaving the house?

1190
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Like did that? Did that really put a lot of

1191
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: anger in her? I don't know, But I don't think

1192
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: she actually knows. I think she wouldn't. I don't think

1193
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: she reads to me as someone who has not actually

1194
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: processed it. But of course, like you explained earlier, like

1195
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: it would have enough fact, but I don't think she's

1196
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: aware of it, and it actually comes out in this

1197
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: bigger way where she feels she needs to control everything

1198
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: around her and be on top and always know what's

1199
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah. I mean I can say like from

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: a personal level as as the kind of person I am,

1201
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: Like my dad having to like move away from the

1202
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: family and stuff when I was a kid, um to

1203
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: get work, like had an impact on me and kind

1204
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: of made had had a big lasting impact on Like

1205
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: why I hate some of the things I hate, like capitalism, um,

1206
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of today. Uh. And I don't know, Maybe I'm

1207
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 1: reading too much into her. I think maybe she went

1208
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't know with Phillis, But

1209
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that there's a key to whatever the

1210
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: person she turned into in that aspect of her life.

1211
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: I just don't really understand what it is. Philish laughly

1212
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: though died in the summer. She lived way too fucking long.

1213
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: She was ninety two. She died. Did she die in

1214
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: a peaceful way? Like? Probably? Yeah? She died surrounded by

1215
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: her family and bullshit. Um, it's a shame. I wish

1216
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: she'd gotten hit the face by an eagle. Um. Yeah,

1217
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 1: before she died, she got to do one last terrible thing. Uh.

1218
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: A St. Louis Trump rally, she endorsed Donald Trump to

1219
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: be the next president of the United States, saying, I

1220
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: think he has the courage in the industry, the energy.

1221
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have energy for that job

1222
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: in order to bring some changes, to do what the

1223
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: grassroots want him to do, because this is a grassroots uprising.

1224
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: We've been following the losers for so long. Now we've

1225
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: got a guy who's going to lead us to victory.

1226
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: And then her spirit just like she croaked and then

1227
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: her spirit just inhabited his body and became a horcrux.

1228
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: I hate Phyllis uh and everything that she stands for.

1229
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's a real bummer. She engineered

1230
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: Donald Trump being able to gain political power, and he

1231
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: was very much the guy she was waiting for her

1232
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: whole because he's a straight up fascist strong man and

1233
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: that's what she's always wanted. And like all of these

1234
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: other Republicans she supported, like wound up short to her

1235
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: in some way. And I you know, she knew that

1236
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: Trump would would do the things she wanted, which is

1237
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: violently suppressed the people she disagreed with politically. Yeah, that's

1238
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: the life of Philish laughly. Uh. A woman who spent

1239
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: her whole existence crusading against abortion, uh, and a woman

1240
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: whose whole life was a minument to the sad truth

1241
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: that like a lot of there's there's some babies out

1242
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: there that maybe oughtn't have stopped being you know, you

1243
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, a real, a real

1244
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: nasty woman, as some way would say. I just want

1245
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: to clarify I don't I'm not apologizing for her, and

1246
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: I definitely also hate her. But when I when I

1247
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: talk about the childhood stuff, because it's it's more me

1248
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: trying to understand, like how do people get so far

1249
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: to the point where they're was like working against their

1250
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: own interests and their own communities. And I truly don't,

1251
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: uh don't mean that in a like a apologist way

1252
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: at all, Like I know, like I feel like sometimes

1253
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: I come off centrist, but I don't like her, Let's

1254
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: be clear. Yeah, they're just trying to figure out, like, yeah,

1255
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out, like how did this happen?

1256
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: How did she become such a nasty batch? Is what

1257
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: we're all trying to figure out. But there's one positive

1258
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: thing that I kind of here and and kind of

1259
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: applies to everything going on now is like whenever aside,

1260
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: like the extreme radical right tries this hard like and

1261
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: throws this much money, because it sounds like they had

1262
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: money their whole life to oppress or change reality, it

1263
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: means the other side is actually more powerful than they think,

1264
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't be spending all this time and money

1265
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: to oppress to control if we were actually weak, Like

1266
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: it's just not it wouldn't be this hard for them

1267
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: to win. And they are having a hard time, so

1268
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: it feels scary. But I think whenever they hear about

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Speaker 1: all this power like, it means you're actually powerful. Yep, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it means they're scared of what will happen

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Speaker 1: if they don't violently suppress all resistance because they know

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Speaker 1: that not a lot of people agree with them, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the whole Like, that's why you that's why

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Speaker 1: you do this culture warship is because your opponent, like

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Speaker 1: the people who don't like the things you believe, are

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Speaker 1: much more numerous than you, but they all believe different

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Speaker 1: things of their own and they're willing to coexist with

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Speaker 1: other people who believe different things. Uh, and you are not.

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Speaker 1: And your coalition has been built by all of these

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Speaker 1: people who believe that there's nothing but a series of

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Speaker 1: black and white choices in politics, um and never can be.

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Speaker 1: And if you can get enough people you know, wrapped

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Speaker 1: around a bunch of issues that are they see as

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Speaker 1: life and death forever um than evenually like you'll you

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Speaker 1: won't lose those people, right like you, They will always

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Speaker 1: vote for your thing, even if they don't like you

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Speaker 1: or you're the people that you're you know, the candidate

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Speaker 1: you put up. Because abortion is the big issue, right

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Speaker 1: like it's the thing. The left is always trying to

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Speaker 1: do this with health care, but for whatever reason, it

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Speaker 1: just hasn't worked, um. You and I think it's because

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Speaker 1: in part maybe like no one actually believes that the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party or the Democratic Party is going to do

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Speaker 1: anything about health care anymore, like Obama had that chance

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Speaker 1: kind of um, but we never built anything that really

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Speaker 1: helped people enough. So you don't have this. You have

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who support single payer healthcare, but

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Speaker 1: you don't have it's not the same kind of electoral

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Speaker 1: coalition as you have with like we want to make

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Speaker 1: abortion illegal um and hurt gay people and stuff like.

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Speaker 1: That's a much more durable coalition because for one thing,

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Speaker 1: they know that the Republican Party will continue to do

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Speaker 1: it every time they're in office. They will hurt the

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Speaker 1: people I hate, Whereas most of the people who for

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Speaker 1: whom single payer health care is a voting issue, don't

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Speaker 1: trust any of the candidates who you know, run on

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Speaker 1: variants of it to actually do anything. It's a very

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Speaker 1: frustrating and bad situation and it's going to kill us

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Speaker 1: all or not, that's not really my place to determine. Uh, Teresa,

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Speaker 1: you want to plug your pluggable. Sure, you can follow

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Speaker 1: my podcast it's called you Can't Tell Me Anything. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard Evan's episode yet, um, you gotta go back.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my earlier guests, but you definitely pick

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Speaker 1: it up. And I think I'm gonna I already said

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Speaker 1: this in the last one, but I'm selling hat to

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Speaker 1: say I can't tell me Daddy. So follow me at

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Speaker 1: Larissachi on Twitter and Instagram for those links.