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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington Correspondent from Bloomberg TV Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, I told you this in the break.

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Speaker 1: When President Trump goes to the United Nations in September,

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Speaker 1: you don't think he's gonna just to echo that. I know,

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Speaker 1: I think I think you're right. I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: take that and he's going to amplify it further. You know,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was I want to just quickly interrupt though,

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Speaker 1: Israeli elections and there could be a rollout. Wow, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure something will happen with Iran. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: lot going on. Well, you know, I think this the

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Speaker 1: message coming from this administration about the validity of international consensus,

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Speaker 1: international law, that doesn't surprise me. UM, But I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, what he's trying to say is number one

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Speaker 1: get UM. And that's because every member there is there

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Speaker 1: for their own interests, in their own agenda. So if

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Speaker 1: Israeli palstinan conflict, they're gonna be waiting forever. So he's

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Speaker 1: right on that, He's right that that's not the point.

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Speaker 1: He was right about pointing out the rhetoric at the

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Speaker 1: U N It is constant rhetoric. It's a lot of talk,

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Speaker 1: it's very little action when it comes to the UN

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Speaker 1: Security Council. That's been super prevalent this past year, certainly

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Speaker 1: with Russia and in you know, vetoing numerous resolutions. Um

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Speaker 1: So you know, I I can understand that message. I

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Speaker 1: can appreciate it coming from this administration. Though they need

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Speaker 1: to be you know, they need to be careful, they

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Speaker 1: need to explain where they're coming from on this. I

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Speaker 1: think it would be it would behoove them to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, how the UN could better you know, in

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Speaker 1: this way. And I actually think Nicki Haley did a

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Speaker 1: good job of that. I mean she went in there, Yes,

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Speaker 1: she representing this administration, but she went in there with

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Speaker 1: the mindset of, Okay, how can I maneuver this big

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Speaker 1: to try and achieve certain outcomes, and she did that

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Speaker 1: with North Korea resolutions for example. Max Berts come in here.

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Speaker 1: I think this is when you look at how green

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Speaker 1: Blood spokes so bluntly in a way that is just

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Speaker 1: not done at the U. N Uh. This is, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, more of a severe swing. Uh. That represents

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Speaker 1: more of a traditional trend. Whenever Europe tends to weaken

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Speaker 1: that anything Green Black said is really wrong. It's that

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Speaker 1: the president doesn't really have a lot of credibility here

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Speaker 1: to point at domestic or international victories and say we're

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Speaker 1: the ones to fix this. Uh. Yeah, It's just it's

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Speaker 1: such a challenge to go into a body and point

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Speaker 1: out correctly that uh, things have been worded ambiguously, that

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Speaker 1: action hasn't been taken for fifty sixty years, but then

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Speaker 1: to not be able to point to any actual peacemaking

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Speaker 1: or coalition building you've done, uh, while asking for more

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Speaker 1: authorities were Well, I was gonna say, to Max's point, actually,

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Speaker 1: he you know, you mentioned the Europeans and it's the

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Speaker 1: reason why the German ambassador, I mean, I believe I

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Speaker 1: can't speak for him, but the reason why I think

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Speaker 1: the German ambassador attacked Um green Blacks July twenty three

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Speaker 1: speech at the U n UM is because of the

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Speaker 1: lack on the part of the Trump administration to work

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Speaker 1: with the Europeans on this very issue. And the moving

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Speaker 1: of the embassy and the recognition of Jerusalem as the

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Speaker 1: capital is the perfect example of that. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: those moves were not necessarily wrong at all. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there is a reason you work with your allies and

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Speaker 1: your friends and your partners. And I would just say

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Speaker 1: that when I talked to the sources and the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: they said, well, where was Europe with North Korea? Where

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Speaker 1: was Europe with Way? Where was Europe with Iran? And

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Speaker 1: energy regarding Iran? So I mean that, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are issues that used to be, as you know

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Speaker 1: better than anyone her Carshmalley, having served in different administrations

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Speaker 1: and on both sides that they used to be. There

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Speaker 1: are issues of consensus, and it's like everyone sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, isn't really doing that. Coming up, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk more politics and Policy with a Carshmallly, Max Burns,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Kevin Cirelli, cheap Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. I'm in New York, DY today we were

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Speaker 1: doing some We did an interview with Jason Greenblatt. He's

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Speaker 1: negotiating the Trump Administration's US Palestinian Israeli peace talks. Still

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Speaker 1: no word on the timeline, but we're trying to get

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Speaker 1: to something. We've got two all stars here, my New

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Speaker 1: York friends. Every time I come to New York, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I got to see Max Burns, Democratic Strategist, Millennial Project,

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Speaker 1: and of course Huggar Shamali. Huggar is gonna be all

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Speaker 1: with me on Thursday in d C. Because you're going

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Speaker 1: to d C. Hougars, this president and CEO of a

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Speaker 1: Greenwich media strategy. She previously served at the Treasury Department

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Speaker 1: in the financial terrorism risk tears him. That just sounds

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Speaker 1: like financing day, terrorism and financial intelligence. I just said, now,

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Speaker 1: I'm just now, I'm just doing it to mess not

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Speaker 1: to mess with you, but to be funny. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to be funny. I apologize. Um, Huggar, what's on

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Speaker 1: your radar? I'm I'm actually I'm following the Venezuela. Is

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Speaker 1: she really closely? Um? Venezuelai Ron. But let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Venezuela because last week the President issued an executive order.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna get a little sanctions nerd on your

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Speaker 1: um issued an executive order. Yeah, it's where we live here, Um.

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Speaker 1: So he issued an executive order that impost a freeze

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Speaker 1: on all Venezuelan government property in the United States. We

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Speaker 1: had John Pence on the nephew of the Vice President,

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Speaker 1: on last week to talk about this. So our audience, yes,

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Speaker 1: oh good when it bars American transactions with the Venezuelan government.

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Speaker 1: At the time, there was a lot I mean, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the media hype about it was that this

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Speaker 1: was an embargo, which it does not constitute an embargo.

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Speaker 1: And I and I can talk at length about that,

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Speaker 1: having worked in sanctions for a very long time. But

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Speaker 1: it's just it's not an uncommon measure that the US

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Speaker 1: government takes when they really want to isolate governments further.

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Speaker 1: So they did it, for example against Syria during the

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Speaker 1: height of the Syria crisis, um certainly Iran and North Korea.

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Speaker 1: So it puts Venezuela on the same level as as

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Speaker 1: those other governments. Want to underscore this, I want to

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Speaker 1: highlight it, tweeted out Bolded. What they did was put

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Speaker 1: Venezuela on the same level as Iran, Yeah, and Syria

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Speaker 1: and North Korea. No, No, the Venezuela government. Yeah and

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Speaker 1: government specifically. Yeah. Yeah. And so what they're doing is saying,

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Speaker 1: lot of US persons really doing business with the Venezuelan

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Speaker 1: They're now going to think twice. And that's the message

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Speaker 1: to convect. A Chevy or what's the auto Chevy has

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Speaker 1: I mean this is going to have an effect for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to see it as much give you know,

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Speaker 1: there's not going to be as much collateral damage as

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Speaker 1: people would expect with a quote unquote embargo. But that's

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Speaker 1: because this isn't an embargo. Um, you know, the situation

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Speaker 1: Sanctions in Venezuela have Sanctions against Venezuela have certainly exacerbated

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Speaker 1: situation for Venezuelan citizens. But the situation is really homegrown.

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Speaker 1: I mean the lack of electricity, the lack of jobs.

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Speaker 1: all led by and and and exacerbated by Nicholas Madurou.

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Speaker 1: You know, and I always say, I mean you talk

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. It's going to outlast the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: what's on your radar? I am watching the Trump China

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Speaker 1: wait wait, this is this is a quagmire that's not

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Speaker 1: going to end for a while. This trade war is

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Speaker 1: going to get worse, and there's no there's no evidence

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Speaker 1: to me, or increasingly to moderate people on the Hill

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Speaker 1: wants out of this. And as as that starts to

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Speaker 1: to know and this is but I'm like, I can't

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Speaker 1: Number two is if finally they're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 1: because I've saiven a million times on Bloomberg surveillance with

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Speaker 1: do teriffs. My New York friends, Huggar Shamali, Max Burns

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