1 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Ah, right, look at us, Hey, Caitlin, how's it going. 2 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Renee Stubstinners podcast. I'm upstate and it's rainy, 3 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: and we have to start every podcast by talking about 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the weather. 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: I think. So that's got to be a good portion 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: of our audience that is amateur meteorolitis. 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: They're just as excited as I am about the weather. 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Let's face it, h Caitlin. We've had a lot of 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: tennis feed played over the last week, and the w 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: TA finals were culminated with the win from Elena Rabarkina. 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Do we want to get started when right there? Or 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: would you like to? It's I feel like I'm looking 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: at you and I feel like you're you're wanting to 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: talk about something else. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Probably no, No, I want to talk about this. I thought 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: it was unbelievable how good Elena Rabacchiina played in the 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: entirety of the tour finals. I mean, she came into 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: this tournament looking good, she left looking unbeatable, and Arena 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: Sabilinka did not play badly. And so I am torn 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: between wanting to talk about Elena Rokina winning the entirety 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 2: of the tournament and taking hone a five million dollar 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: plus check, and also wanting to talk about the fact 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: that Elena Rabacchina wouldn't take a picture with the WTA 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: CEO portrait archer and the runner up Arena Sablanca over 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: what I assume is some beef because of the whole 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: Bukhov thing. So we don't have to talk about that 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: second thing. But I whenever I think about it, that's 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: the thing that I'm also thinking about, not just the tennis. 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little controversial, that's for sure. She 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: was certainly putting her in or line in the sand 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: with that lack of photo with the CEO from the 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: w t A. Yeah, I mean, and and I felt 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: sorry for Sablenco, who standing together going what's happening? 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? It's like I lost, I'm pissed, and. 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: But I'm taking this photo. Where are you? 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the photo. Get over here. I just 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, I know Rebakina was sort of asked about 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: it at press conference, but like they're really. 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Did She's saying that press conference. 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: I I was like, well, we did, you know, she 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: didn't really address it, and the press Core letter go 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: it was like, you know, we had an opportunity to 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: discuss it, and it wasn't discussed, And so I'm doing 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: my job and she's doing her job, which somebody then 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: would say, okay, well, what do you what's the message 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: it sends at the end of the season at the 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: most important tournament that the WTA runs to snub, it's CEO, like, 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: where are you know? Just I get that this is 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: uncomfortable stuff, but like in any other sport, these would 50 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: be pretty common follow up questions at a press conference, 51 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: And the fact that the WTA brings influencers to come 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: cover this thing and not journalists is what you get. 53 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: You don't get like the real story you get. 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: So you as you, as a real journalist, like somebody 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: who really does this for a living, who's who's worked 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: at some of the biggest newspapers magazines in the world, 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: what would you have done in that situation being in 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: that press conference. 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: I think she was making a massive statement. She would 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: tell you she's making a massive statement, and then you 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: get her on the record explaining the statement, and you 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: don't say okay when she says, well, she knows what 63 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: she did. 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: You get her on the record, you said, because you 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: broke up there you would get. 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: Her on the right say hey, listen, I get that 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want to talk about this, but in 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: front of all the assembled cameras, in front of all 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: the assembled brass, and in front of all of the 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: audience globally watching your victorious, incredible victory, you made a statement. 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: Talk about it, talk about why, and kind of you 72 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: have to have follow up questions like if you ever 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: watched a political press conference, if you've ever watched a 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: conference a press conference in another sport like these are 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: pretty basic tenants and just like tennis doesn't have it, 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: it's crazy to me that we just let so much 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: of this stuff go. And maybe also you ask Porscha 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: Archer about her and get her on the record and 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: ask her, you know, because I know the WTA has 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 2: probably done a lot of internal soul searching and also 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: some handringing about this, because you know, without wanting to 82 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: add any speculation to it, it seems like it's a 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: tough situation. You know, if you see and hear something 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: about a player needing help, but that player herself doesn't 85 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: seem to need or want help, then what do you do. 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's concerns for workplace. There's concerns for other 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: people who are around this whole situation, But at the 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: end of the day, she's being coached by who she 89 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: she says she wants to be coached by, and she's winning. 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: So you know, well, I mean, doing what she did 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: was certainly not taking it out of the spotlight. So 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: you're continuing to keep it in the spotlight, and you're 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: continuing to have generalists like yourself, for example, who would 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: sit in a press conference like that or anybody else 95 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: frankly ask those questions. And so if you're trying to, like. 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: Statement, then you don't do anything and you pretend like 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: everything's hunky dory. 98 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, which is not happening because that's what 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the statement was. The last basically jester you did of 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: the tour of the year five. 101 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: The end note of the WTA Tour this year is 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: the world number one's crying and also standing with the 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: CEO by yourself. 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Not wanting to do that. I mean, let me tell you, 105 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: I have not lost in massive singles finals, but I've 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: certainly lost a lot of major doubles finals. And the 107 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: first thing I want to do is take my shit 108 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: and get off the court. There's no There's just never 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: a time where I'm like, you know what, I'm happy 110 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: to be here as a loser. I want to take 111 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: my photo, I want to talk to the people. There's 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: never one time I've done that. And you know I'll 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: be the first to say, you know, the one thing 114 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: about losing in doubles is I can look at my 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: doubles partner and say, you can talk. 116 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Actually, did you often ask your partners? Yeah? 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: I say, I can't do it. I can't stand these 118 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: people that I just lost to the chances of me 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: being nice to them right now is pretty much zero. 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: So off that, beautiful. You're a bigger. 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: Person than me. You can do this. I will not. 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I refuse. I'm just kidding. I mean I have done 123 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: it before. I've lost her friends in finals and like 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: a crudgingly have to say something nice about them. But no, 125 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: but it is a nightmare. I mean. We've seen some 126 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: epic runner up situations, none like the French Open when 127 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Martina hing has decided to just leave the court and 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: had to literally be coherse back as Naomi Osaka in 129 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Canada to come back to the presentation. 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: Victoria and Boca. 131 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to come back to the presentation anyway. 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: I will say, though, Arena Sablanca, another fantastic year, finishes 133 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: world number one. It's been a long time since gone 134 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: back to back, since somebody has done that as well 135 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: number one. But having said that, I would venture to 136 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: say that she would say it was a great year, 137 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the year that she would have hope for. 138 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: And that's an amazing thing to say when you reach 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: as many finals as she has, as you've like pinnacle 140 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: of world number one two years in a row, like 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: the consistency that she had this year was outrageously good. 142 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: But having only won one essentially one major title, the 143 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: US Open, I would say that she would say that 144 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: this year was a little bit of a failure. And 145 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean that in the nicest way, like because you know, 146 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: because she's been so good and consistently the best player 147 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: all year and making all the finals that she did, 148 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: I think she would be highly disappointed that she lost 149 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: in the finals of the Train Open, that she lost 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: in the semi finals of Wimbledon, that she lost the 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: final of the French Open, and then she lost to 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: WTA final. I think that for her is that someone 153 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: who's that dominant would be very disappointed that they didn't 154 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: get more major titles under their belt this year. And 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: she sort of deserved it, but in the end, give 156 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: you know when you don't deserve it. 157 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: It is a testament to how good her year is 158 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: that making three major finals and we're ranked number one, 159 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: Like that's still a great showing one thing that this 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: sort of just the reason is the question for me 161 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: is is it surface dependent or is Elena Rabakiin is 162 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: ceiling actually somehow higher than Arena Sablanca's ceiling. 163 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I think that. Look, Rabackiin 164 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: has had situations where she has just absolutely smoked Sabolanka. 165 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Look at that final in Brisbane a couple of years ago. 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean Sablanca barely won a game, and then two 167 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: weeks later Sabalanca winds, they stray and open. So I 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: just think Sablanca's upside is always really solid, really good 169 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: all the time. Like, you know, she's not losing in 170 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: first round, she's getting to sam she's getting to finals. 171 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Rabackin is losing to sort of random people at certain 172 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: times because I think when her her a game is on, 173 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: she's almost unbeatable, and it comes down to the serf 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: and she is the first player since Carolina Plishkova who 175 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: did it like five years ago, that's served over five 176 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: hundred aces in a year, which you know, think about that, 177 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: that's like three free games of every set that she's 178 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: serving pretty much. So if the serve is on and indoors, 179 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: she is by far the most aggressive big hitting player. Look, 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: if it had gone three sets, would it could have 181 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: been a different story. Yes, But if if if, as 182 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: we know, doesn't exist, so so you know, yeah, Rebekna 183 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: at her best, her back end is as good as 184 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: you get, her serve is as big as you get. 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: It's whether the forehand is successfully going down the line. 186 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: And early on in the match, Lindsay Davenport actually said, look, 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: if that's happening and she's hitting that fourne down the 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: line with consistency, then she's unbeatable. And we saw that, 189 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: and indoors, she pretty much took care of everybody in 190 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: this tournament and you know, walked away with a big, 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: fat five and a half million dollar check. 192 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: There was a minute, and I think for me it 193 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: was moments after the first set against Jessica Pegoula, who 194 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: was Victoria isn't that first set, but then just absolutely 195 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: the tides turned. You know, the score was four and 196 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: four in that second and third set in the semist 197 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: was four and three, but it didn't feel close. It 198 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: felt like Poogila got out to a great start. She 199 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: played well, she was seeing the ball, she was dictating points, 200 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Rebeckena kind of, I 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: don't know, relaxed her shoulders a little bit or just 202 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: kind of like figured dialed in the right equation for 203 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: Jess Poogogla, and it didn't feel like they were on 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: the same playing field after that. 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: That first said, yeah, you can tell that Jess was 206 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: going after the forehand and really trying to attack that 207 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: because that's where the mistakes will come a little more often. 208 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: I think one thing that she did didn't do enough, 209 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: Jess was to get it yes to the forehand, to 210 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: the forehand, but then get it to the back end. 211 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: You can't just keep going there because once Rebeken a 212 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: very similar to Coco, once the forehand doesn't start making errors, 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: then that's where you kind of fall into a little 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: bit of a trap going there too much and you 215 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: almost play them into not and then once they start 216 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: not missing their forehand, their confidence level goes so sky 217 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: high because they're like, oh, my weakest shot is super 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: good today, and so everything else relaxes. The serve relaxes, 219 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: the backhand's unbelievable. She's moving really great as well. I 220 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: thought Rebarkkna was moving well. And I think she's been 221 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: struggling this year with a bit of an Achilles tendon 222 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: issue because we've seen her, you know, with that taping 223 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: in that sort of ankle Achilles area, and I didn't 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: see that at all in the WTA finals. She was 225 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: dealing with a little bit of strapping on her right 226 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: shoulder for the serf, but other than that, I thought 227 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: she was moving really well. And you just wonder how 228 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: much of that Achilles has been bothering her for like 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: a year or two. I remember she sort of heard 230 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: it going into this strain Open a couple of years 231 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: ago when she lots that epic tie break to blinkover, 232 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: and that was when she beat Sabalanca and that easy 233 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: final in Brisbane and then went to the strain Open 234 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: after going to play Adelaide, and I remember pet Co 235 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: and I talked to that about that and We're like, 236 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: why would you go to Adelaide like you just won Brisbane, 237 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: go to the strain Open and prepare as the favorite 238 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: to win these Strain Open, then went to Adelaide and 239 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: heard her achilles and then really struggled in that tournament 240 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: and lost to Blinkov. So I just wonder if the 241 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: movement also because she looked really good with the movement. 242 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: So again big hitter, great server, getting the ball back 243 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: in the court. One more ball back in the court. 244 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: She just waits for the easy one and then boom, 245 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,239 Speaker 1: hits a winner. That's she was just too good. 246 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: Too good. I do want to just touch on that 247 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: other semifinal because I actually thought both semifinals and the 248 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: the WTA Tour finals were quite good Anisimova. Really, I 249 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: thought for a second, especially in that first set, she 250 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: had three break points, she didn't convert on any of them, 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: she ended up losing the set. Then she came back 252 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: in the second and I thought, oh, now she's kind 253 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: of it's clicking for her. You can see she's just 254 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: she's getting closer and closer and closer on Seblanka. That 255 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 2: backhand is elite and her I think the thing that 256 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: you could kind of ding her for but is also 257 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: the most improved is just as a competitor, she's getting there. 258 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: She's less negative, which is not to say that she's 259 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: still a little too negative for my taste. Like I 260 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: would love for her to just be a little bit 261 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: more positive because she's got so many upsides. You know, 262 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like she's missing balls because she's making 263 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: bad choices. It's just you know, she's playing great players. 264 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: So for me, like I see her climbing that hill, 265 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: and I thought actually between the two semis, even though 266 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: they both went three sets, Anisimova to me, felt closer 267 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: to the final, if that makes sense. 268 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, other than closer to than Pagola did. 269 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, her she was closer on subling. I thought that 270 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: was a winnable match, whereas for Jessica, after the first set, 271 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: it just felt like, oh okay, this was she just 272 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: delayed the inevitable. Yeah that makes sense. 273 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think that Amanda Gosh, I tell you 274 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: going into next year, she I already said it. I 275 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: said it on the Potter Cup Warder like a month ago, 276 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: that I really do think she's going to win a 277 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: Slam next year, major title I think she can win 278 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: these Strain Open. She's done really well there in the past. 279 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: She beat Sablenka there in the past and make the 280 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: semi finals, I believe. So it's a really good surface 281 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: for her. I say look out for her because I 282 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: think all the experience that she had this year of 283 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: losing in that devastating final Wimbledon and then correcting everything 284 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: and not losing now to iager she on take the 285 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: two times that she's played her now after that, it's 286 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary. So I think that she goes into next 287 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: year as the player that I really think is going 288 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: to break through and just whether or not we're going 289 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: to have three or four different winners of Slams again 290 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: next year, because this year was crazy again on the 291 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: women's side, and they're so good. They're all so good 292 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: on a certain date. I mean, Maddi keyes arguably, without question, 293 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: was the best player in Australia. 294 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: You know it. 295 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: Adelaide goes to Melbourne, plays off her face and then 296 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: you look at Coco, how solid she was at the 297 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: French and then getting that unbelievable win in the finals, 298 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: and the Eager played unbelievable at Wimbledon, and then again. 299 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: Of course, Sablanca is just the player to beat at 300 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: the US Open, So are we going to have that 301 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: again next year? And as Amanda Anisimova going to come 302 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: and surprise us and break through finally in one of 303 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: those big matches. And I think, after what she's done 304 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: this year, the lessons that she would have learned in 305 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: these big tournaments, I think is going to help her 306 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: win a major next year. And just lastly, on Amanda, 307 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: to play your first WTA finals, it's a very different feeling, 308 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: and I said it on the part a couple of 309 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago, it does take a bit getting used to. 310 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: It's like playing for your country for the first time. 311 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of feels a little weird. I think the 312 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: fact that she came so close to making the finals 313 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: is really imp to me for the first time of 314 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: playing the w taar finals. So who are we going 315 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: to have in the top of eight again next year? 316 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: I see all of these players getting back there again, 317 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: except maybe mirror Andreva. We'll see what she can do 318 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: next year. She has a lot of points to defend 319 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: at the start of the year. But I certainly look 320 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: at these young players like Mumbocco, like Amanda, like Andreva, 321 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 1: and then you've got the stalwarts like Eager, Sablanca, Rebarkina, 322 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: all these players that just in Coco, that just keep 323 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: showing up every week. 324 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and winning. I do think everyone always gets so 325 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: mad at me on the internet when I I to 326 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: talk about. 327 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: Eager, Yes they do. So can you like be nice? 328 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm always nice? I'm just I feel like I oh, honestly, 329 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: I have said so many positive things about her this year, 330 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: and I think kind of my question for you is, 331 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: and I truly was thrilled the chew on Wimbledon. It 332 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: was really happy to see her so happy and playing 333 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: so well, and like, truly that was one of my 334 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: favorite moments of the year. I mean it, like I 335 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: love when the matches are unexpected. 336 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's unpredictable, and you like really do. 337 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: And I just like when people can can kind of 338 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: break through something. And I think she didn't expect to 339 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: win Wimbledon and just not for sure seeing how the 340 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: fashion in which she wanted was so exhilarating and great. 341 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: I do I do wonder because to your point about 342 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: you know, Amanda Nisimova and experience, you know, how much 343 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: of it for EA is just it is so hard 344 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: for her to beat these players on an indoor hardcourt. Yeah, 345 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: that's most of it, right, I mean, I really want 346 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: to find a fault in the way she showed up 347 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: or played. She's always intense, she's always prepared, you know. 348 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes she looks a little shakier with like sort of 349 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: internal stuff than other times. But it's not like her 350 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: game goes to shit. It's just this doesn't seem like 351 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: it's ever going to be much like it wasn't ever 352 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: Rafa's surface, right, Like this just isn't what they're built for. 353 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, she played, you know, she won 354 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: the first set against Rabacchina'm playing great, but Rabacchina. You know, 355 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: as you said, her a level is on that particular 356 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: surface is going to be slightly better than eagers just 357 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: because of the serve. She's winning so many free points 358 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: on serve and egs not getting the free point on serf. 359 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: So I think that she can get better in that department, 360 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: or she can get a few more free points on 361 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: a serve. And she's tall, it's not like she's like 362 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: Jasmine Paulini size. She's like five ten and strong and 363 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: a strong athletic tennis player. So I think she can 364 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit better in that department and get 365 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: the and also vary her serve. She gets at predictability 366 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: with the kickserve, and then players like Rebaquin and Sabalanca 367 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: who are tall, that's not out of their hitting zone, 368 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: so that is actually a bad serve to hit to them. 369 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: So she has to sort of work on that department, 370 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: and I think she does, then she can win on 371 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: a fastest service. Having said that, she did win Wimbledon, 372 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: but Weldon it's not as quick. It's just not the 373 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: ball grabs on the grass differently than what it did 374 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago. Now having said on that, though, 375 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: I actually think she's a really good shot to win 376 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: the Austrain Open, because look what happened last year. I mean, 377 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: she came one point, she had a match more against 378 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: Maddie Keyes, who was by far the best player in 379 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: the in the in the month of the tournament. It 380 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: was in the month of January. She was so close 381 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: to being in the final. And now is she going 382 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: to beat Sablanca in the final? I don't know, but 383 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: you have to think going in there, you got to 384 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: think that she's pretty comfortable of playing on those courts 385 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: in Melbourne. Now, I think she's got to feel really 386 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: good about going in there, as does Sablanca, as does Rebarkina, 387 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: as does Eager, as does Maddie. I mean, the defending 388 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: champion always feels good going the strain and open. But 389 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: and then you've got Amanda Anisimova. I mean, it's just 390 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: the women's is so deep and so fun and so unpredictable. 391 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: And I know, Kateline, you love that. 392 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: I love that absolutely right. 393 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: He doesn't as a tennis fan who doesn't. I mean, 394 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: predictable is boring. 395 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: Princtable is boring, which is why if I may transition 396 00:18:51,280 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: may to the men, I'm really helping. I'm hoping against 397 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: soap that some unpredictable results come out of Turin. Now, 398 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 2: I do have to brag a little bit because I 399 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: am usually certainly told whenever I'm wrong. 400 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: But you were right when. 401 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: I said it was not inconceivable that Novak Djokovic would 402 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: pull out of d ATP Tour finals. And both are guys, 403 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: Lorenzo Mussetti and Felix Okay. 404 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: So to Mike Okay, I need to defend myself in 405 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: this situation, Okay, because you did make. 406 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's crazy. It's a crazy thing that happened. 407 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: No, but I can tell you why, because I didn't 408 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: know that he owned this tournament and his brother ran 409 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the tournament in Greece, and that he lives now in Athens. 410 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I just thought he was going 411 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: to play a random Athens tournament and get some matches 412 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: before the ATV finals, right, which would make sense, would 413 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: it not. What I didn't know is that his brother 414 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: and his company owned this tournament, so of course they 415 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be incredibly successful. Which it was the. 416 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: Same license that used to be played in Serbia exactly. 417 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: But I did not know this cap So of course, 418 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: now that I know that it was his tournament, of course, 419 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: I now know that he wanted to be successful, and 420 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: to be successful you need all the best players in there, 421 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: not just yourself. And it made out out to be 422 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: the best final. It was MASSETI. We were going to 423 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: be talking about it all week. Oh is Massti gonna win? 424 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Is he going to make the ATV finals? This is 425 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: so stressful for him? YadA, YadA, YadA. Meanwhile, he didn't 426 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: needed he didn't even need to play because Novak had 427 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: zero intention of playing the ATV finals. But he's no 428 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: dummy because he knows the attention that tournament got based 429 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: on the fact that Mussetti needed to play and needed 430 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: to win it, and needed to win the final just 431 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: made it a little extra spicy to be at that 432 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: tournament and to watch that tournament. Because no offense to Novak, 433 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: because it was great to see him when one hundred 434 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: and one and the match was incredible and he's diving 435 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: around the court like he's twenty two years of age 436 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: trying to win this match. But what I did, I 437 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: would not have cared, no offense. I would not really 438 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: have cared about who won Athens. Do you know what 439 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying? 440 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: No, I have to say if I'm Lorenzo Musseti. 441 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Pest Yeah, because of course he goes today and loses 442 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: six three six for to Taylor Fritz, who's been into 443 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: WRIN practicing and having a nice little time, probably about 444 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: three days off after his last tournament, and goes there 445 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: feeling fresh as a daisy, and Musserti, on the other hand, 446 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: is flying. Now people will be like, well, if Moserti 447 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: had won, I'm like, it doesn't matter. He didn't need 448 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: to play the tournament. He didn't need to play six 449 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: matches stressed out of his mind to go and play 450 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: the tournament into Ren. He could have just gone to 451 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: Turin and prepared and played Taylor Fritz. Instead, he's like 452 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: on one leg after three hour final, getting on a 453 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: plane and having go to Durin. So yeah, as kind 454 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: of like. 455 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be No, it was not terribly cool. 456 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: Hard you imagine Lorenzo Messetti goes back to Greece to 457 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: like do a solid for definitely not family after this 458 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: because he got totally screwed over and again, keep in mind, 459 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: had no Vak Djokovic not pulled out, Lorenz Mussetti would 460 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: not have gotten in. 461 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Massetti would not have no, of course not, he would 462 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: not have gotten in because he lost fun. He need 463 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: to wear the tournament. 464 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: He had to win the tournament. So Felix O j 465 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: Aliasim looks like a genius here and again he could 466 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: have not look like a genius. Totally Massetti won and 467 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: you Novak not gone it. 468 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Mossetti had won, right, and then 469 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: Faa is like, ah shit, get me on a plane, 470 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm going to Canada. And they are all a 471 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: sudden's like, well now. 472 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: You're back a tournament. Yeah, yes, I. 473 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Mean listen, there's gonna be listen, there's gonna be people 474 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: out there that say, well, too bad. You know, he 475 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: did what he did. It was business and if you 476 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: can't win the tournament, all that sort of stuff. But 477 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: man or man next mm hmm. And it would have 478 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: been anyone, if it had been anyone, if it'd been 479 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Yan Nick or whoever. It's not. This is not about Novak. 480 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: It's just like, Man, you knew you weren't playing. You 481 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: should have just you should have just pulled out every day. 482 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm going to go. You had 483 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: no intention, you wanted your tournament to be successful in Athens, 484 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: and you did, and it was awesome and the crowds 485 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: were unreal. And you've got one hundred and one titles, 486 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: which is just insane. How good that is he is now. 487 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: The only thing he doesn't have now on all the 488 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: records is the Jimmy Connors record, which I believe is 489 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: what one hundred and nine. I don't know. I'm guessing. 490 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: I know you're going to look it up, because that's 491 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: what you do, because you've got your computer on, but 492 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: it's the one thing he doesn't have that. And of 493 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: course the twenty five beating Margaret Court. So hey, listen, 494 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: you when your last tournament the year, feel pretty good 495 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: about yourself going to Melbourne's. 496 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I love the 497 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: drama it was, especially because I feel and I fear 498 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: that there might not be that much drama coming out 499 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: of Turin. No hope there is. But like I said, 500 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: hard to imagine this isn't a march to inevitability between 501 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: our two guys. Water Butch happens to absolutely love and 502 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: eat alive every single hardcore tournament, especially when they are inside. 503 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, our boy Jannick Center, well he's playing tonight as 504 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: we do this pod. He is not quite on court yet. 505 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: Of course, Taylor Fritz just beat Lorenzo Messetti, as I said, 506 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: in straight sets. And yesterday Alcazjue very comfortably in his 507 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: in his match, and Benny Shells went down to Alex Zverev. 508 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: Did you see any of that match? 509 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: I didn't want to match. I'm a Benny Shells fan. 510 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: I think probably the less set about alex Erev the better. 511 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: But what happened I don't know, I be honest, like 512 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: he hasn't played very much. He has not been playing 513 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: that wells Verev has been playing fairly well. I just 514 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: think he was a little more solid, and that's what 515 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: it comes down to Zverev. I mean, listen, in the 516 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: second set could have gone a different way. Eight six 517 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: in the tiebreak, could have definitely gone to three sets, 518 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: and then it would have been interesting. But again, being 519 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: the eighty finals is you know, is a new thing. 520 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: So as I said with Amanda Anisimova, they're playing the 521 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: first atp finals or WTA finals is very different. It 522 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: feels different, it feels special, so you don't feel like 523 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: your normal self going in there. So I think, look, 524 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: could he improve from the match against Vera, absolutely, but 525 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: now he has to beat Alcorest. He plays pretty well 526 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: against Alcarest. He doesn't give him a lot of you know, 527 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: bawls to hit, goes after everything. But then again Alex 528 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: Vera demonol as well, so that's in his section. He 529 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: still could potentially get through, but. 530 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine him beating Carlos Alcorrez. But I 531 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: actually like his odds, as you said, against Alcaraz, better 532 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: than I like them against Alex Perev because they're both 533 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: sort of shot makers, and I feel like they both 534 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: kind of get up for the moment, whereas, like one 535 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: thing that Zverev does very well is he's very solid everywhere, 536 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: and unless he's really under the gun emotionally and gives 537 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: himself an opportunity to choke, which I've never seen him 538 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: not take, he can handle everything that Ben Shelton is 539 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: throwing at him kind of no problem. And so I 540 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: actually think there's a chance that he could take the 541 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: fight to Carlos Acraaz, And I actually really like his 542 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: odds against de Minar, who just to me, I know 543 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: you love him, and I know he's a great Australian 544 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: and a lovely chap and all that, but he just 545 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: looks a little second tier. 546 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: Well he's not second tier. He just doesn't have the power, 547 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: you know. And indoors, you're playing against these guys with 548 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: big serves that are attacking, that are being just super aggressive, 549 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: and Alex sort of relies on you making errors and 550 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: these guys aren't those guys, right, Alex beats everybody ranked 551 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: underneath him because he's just so much better and more solid, 552 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: and he refuses to make a dumb error, you know 553 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: what I mean. But these guys above him, like Alex, 554 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: like Carlos, like Yannick, they just they play like him. 555 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: They just have more power, they have more shots to 556 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: play on the big occasions when the forehands there to 557 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: hit a winner on they can actually do it. Was Alex, 558 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: he kind of relies on you to make the error, 559 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: and against these top players, that's not going to happen, 560 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: particularly now. But listen, I think that one of the 561 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: things that Ben also finds when he plays against Vera 562 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: is when he serves that wide surf, for example, it 563 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: takes that lefty, it goes right into Zevera his backhand. 564 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: He's tall, he can sort of get the ball back 565 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: a little bit easier than someone like let's say Alex, 566 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: who's not as tall, or even Carlos's not as tall. 567 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: So we'll see how he responds back in his next 568 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: level matches. But certainly it looks like more than likely 569 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: we're going to see you never know, Al Chirez Sinner, 570 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: but I can guarantee you Sin that's going to be 571 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: in the final. He's just playing too well. One thing 572 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: we did did mention is that Darren k Hill certainly. 573 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: Still the question mark is he going to be back 574 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: next year? Keeps getting asked every week, particularly when he 575 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 1: wins Paris and he's standing there in the photo and 576 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: just keeps getting asked that question. Which journalists do, is 577 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: Darren K Hill going to be back next year? 578 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: The question is you are the only person who's really right. 579 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most interesting stories. Again, 580 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: I know it's one of the interesting stories. 581 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: He'll watch, Kay, He'll watch. 582 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Exactly Killer K Hill, watch anything else so that you 583 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: would like to discuss this week, my friend, that there's 584 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: been brewing on your mind. 585 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm very curiously intent to watch what happens with a 586 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: lot of this tour merging news. I also think it's 587 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: phenomenally interesting that the Saudis now do not want to 588 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: exercise their option to renew the next gen in Jetta, 589 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: but instead they're getting their Masters one thousand, which needs 590 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: to find a data in the calendar. So, like, who knows. 591 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: I like the things that are kind of operating at 592 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: an organizational level because it feels like that's where the 593 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: future of the sport is going. And that's something I 594 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: care a lot about, and you know, and part of 595 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: it is because I don't know the technical part of 596 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: the game certainly as well as you do, but I 597 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: know what I like to watch, and the tennis itself 598 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: is such a good product that it kind of takes 599 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: care of itself. The part that I feel more invested 600 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: in is the future of the leagues and the organizing bodies, 601 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: because I don't feel like they're in good shape and 602 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know that they're headed towards good stuff, 603 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: and I feel like if there's any way I or 604 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: Racket or anybody I know can be helpful in that way, 605 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: like I care about it a lot. So that's what 606 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: I'm watching. Where are all these off season organizational moves 607 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: taking place? Which is why like we're baking a snubbing 608 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: Archer is. Yes, it's a story and it's about her 609 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: and her coach, and it's about the tours, but it's 610 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: also about like where is the power and what signals 611 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: dies that send and how do governing bodies reckon with 612 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: their players and organizational stuff like having rules in place 613 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: and protecting athletes but also you know, making sure nobody's 614 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's there's interesting stuff there. 615 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: It show feels like a little bit of a shit show, 616 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Really? No one sort of is like fully 617 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: in charge of tennis bodies. You know, the may just 618 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: have so much pull and they are clearly fighting against 619 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: the Saudis. In this situation, the Saudis are just buying 620 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: so much. I mean it, I talked about it last week. 621 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: It does disappoint me when you see the WTAF finals, 622 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: and yes, they're winning an enormous amount of money, but 623 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: to see the crowds, like it's like, it's that stadium 624 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: is for five thousand people, Like what are we doing? 625 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: You know, what what are we doing? This is our 626 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: best of our best. And when you're playing an US 627 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: Open final in front of eighteen thousand people, the Ustrain 628 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: Open in front of fifteen thousand people, Wimbledon in front 629 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: of fifteen sixteen thousand people, and the friendship, and then 630 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: you're playing our WTAO finals with the best players in 631 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the world and they can barely fill that five thousand 632 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: dollars five thousand stadium seating because it's in Saudi Arabia. 633 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I just it's kind of 634 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: like the WNBA now, like you know, with this league 635 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: going to Saudias as well, it's like I get it, 636 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: all the money there, but it just it just feels 637 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 638 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: Does it feel different than China. 639 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a little bit different to China. And 640 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: I get you could go on about the human rights 641 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: in China are just as bad as Sally's, but I 642 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't know. I mean, you're a 643 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: smartest person that may you tell me what you think 644 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: about this. 645 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about this so many times. I 646 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that we The best part of tennis 647 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: is that it touches all these amazing places. And I 648 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: agree with people like Billy Jean King who say it 649 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: says you have to be in the room and you 650 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: have to engage. I also think, you know, there are 651 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: choices that I would love to see our leadership making differently, 652 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: and that goes for a lot of this. Yeah, I 653 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: also think that there are very limited and you know, 654 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: you talk to your friends and my friends in private 655 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: equity and investing. They're not shying away from hotspots in 656 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: the world at all. They don't care. And it's disheartening 657 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: and it's frustrating, but it's also sort of true, and 658 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: so it makes a lot of us who do care think, Okay, 659 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: if we are going to engage and we are going 660 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: to use our platforms to what end and which conversations 661 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: feel like the ones to be worth having? Because I don't. 662 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't agree with you that the crowds are the problem. 663 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's actually your problem with it. 664 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: I think your problem is much much bigger. 665 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: I think it's honestly, it's a combination. It really is. 666 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Like I would like to see a stadium of ten 667 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: thousand screaming fans going bonkers for an incredible match at 668 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: the WTAF finals. I would, and I think the women 669 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: deserve that after an entitally difficult, difficult year to get there, 670 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and it's a special moment. And I have played at 671 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. I played the WTAF finals there. I 672 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: played the WTAF Finals at the Staples Center. I played 673 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: at amazing arenas for the WTA Finals, where it was 674 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: just packed and incredible. And these people love to see 675 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: these women play each other every single match, and back 676 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: in my day often it was like, you know, you're eliminated, 677 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: But in this situation, you get to see all these 678 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: great plays get playing against each other. So I would 679 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: just like to see a better I would just like 680 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: to see a better crowd. I mean, I don't think 681 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: the players give a shit. They're going to make five 682 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: million dollars and they prefer to make five million dollars 683 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: in front of five thousand people or two million dollars 684 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: in front of fifteen thousand. I don't know that's a 685 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: question for them, but yeah, I mean, I assume what 686 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: you're saying, and I agree with Billy Jean. I agree 687 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: with Billy Or you know, Amanda Anisimova's agreed to come 688 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: on at some point in the next month in the 689 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: off season, and we'll ask her, because she's a perfect 690 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: person that asks it's the first time. Would she have 691 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: liked to have been somewhere like a Madison Square garden 692 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: that had fifteen thousand people. 693 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: But for a lot less money? 694 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: Maybe, but for less money, that's a good question. 695 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: You know. One thing I think maybe as is our way, 696 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: or at least something that I think we both like 697 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: to do, which is to sort of try to get 698 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: into some of this stuff that's a little sticky, but 699 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: also like solution. I really do think like if Bill 700 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: Ackman can write a check and get himself onto a 701 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: tennis court that he wasn't delivered to be on and 702 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: buy swaths of you know, the amount of billionaires in 703 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: this country. 704 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: I tried to get Bill Gates to put it on. 705 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: Let's go, come on. 706 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: Like, I don't like it's not like folks who live 707 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: in places or support places that we would imagine might 708 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: be able to draw a bigger crowd don't have billionaires. Yeah, 709 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't think they're doing much to help the world. 710 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're doing two things here, right. We've asked 711 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: for all the major titles to allow influences and people 712 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: like that to which, by the way, which is build 713 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: an idea. Yeah, put your content out let us. 714 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: That's that's a great idea. 715 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: Let's do that. So we've asked for that. And the 716 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: next one is we're going after the billionaires to try 717 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: and bring my major tennis. 718 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 2: Call it the Billionaires Challenge, the Billionaires Challenge, Billionaire's Challenge. 719 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: Who's going to be the first there? This is probably 720 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: the only Joyce Carolotes quote that will be in a 721 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 2: tennis podcast this week, but I read and I'm imagined. Yeah, 722 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: if you've ever read any Joyce Carolotes, have. 723 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: You, I have actually thank you. 724 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: Ah great, I'm really happy. 725 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: But are you going to bring in let's go, Let's 726 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: go in our last minute of our podcast? 727 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: Like Let's Go roasted Elon Musk on his own platform 728 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: by saying, so curious that such a wealthy man never 729 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 2: posts anything that he enjoys or is even aware of 730 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: what virtually everyone else appreciates. Scenes from nature, a pet, 731 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: dog or cat, praise for a movie, music, a book, 732 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: pride in a friend or relatives, accomplishment, condolences for someone 733 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 2: who've died, pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team, 734 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: references to history. In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. 735 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: The poorest persons on Twitter may have access to more 736 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 2: beauty and meaning in life than the most wealthy person 737 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: in the world. Now I read that as what a 738 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: sad thing. This really rich guy has no hobbies, he 739 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: has no life life, He's got nothing. He's got all 740 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: the money in. 741 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: There, although I did he did have a massive boat 742 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: out in like Sardinia a couple of years ago. 743 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: All these billionaires they seem to maybe like boats. So listen, billionaires, 744 00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: now's your. 745 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: Chance, there's your chance, make a difference. 746 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: Don't only love your boat. 747 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: Two things they should do. Write food checks to the 748 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: really poor in this country that are losing snap and 749 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: buy wemen's Towness event and put. 750 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 2: A billionaire's challenge. Who's going to stallion challenge? Katelyn tennis 751 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: lesson from Renee and. 752 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll give you a free tennis lesson anytime. 753 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to now do karaoke with the winner. 754 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: Okay, great, all right, that's us for this week. Thanks. 755 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: We're going to come back next week obviously and finish 756 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: up with the Men's ATP Finals, the NITO ATP Finals, 757 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: and of course and we're going to also get into 758 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: everything with Austra and Open and all the other shenanigans 759 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: and hopefully an Amanda Amasonova. That's the week's goore. All right, guys, 760 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today. Caitlin's being real