1 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Ah, right, look at us, Hey, Caitlin, how's it going. 2 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Renee Stubstinners podcast. I'm upstate and it's rainy, 3 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: and we have to start every podcast by talking about 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the weather. 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: I think. So that's got to be a good portion 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: of our audience that is amateur meteorolitis. 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: They're just as excited as I am about the weather. 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Let's face it, h Caitlin. We've had a lot of 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: tennis feed played over the last week, and the w 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: TA finals were culminated with the win from Elena Rabarkina. 11 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Do we want to get started when right there? Or 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: would you like to? It's I feel like I'm looking 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: at you and I feel like you're you're wanting to 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: talk about something else. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Probably no, No, I want to talk about this. I thought 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: it was unbelievable how good Elena Rabacchiina played in the 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: entirety of the tour finals. I mean, she came into 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: this tournament looking good, she left looking unbeatable, and Arena 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: Sabilinka did not play badly. And so I am torn 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: between wanting to talk about Elena Rokina winning the entirety 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 2: of the tournament and taking hone a five million dollar 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: plus check, and also wanting to talk about the fact 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: that Elena Rabacchina wouldn't take a picture with the WTA 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: CEO portrait archer and the runner up Arena Sablanca over 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: what I assume is some beef because of the whole 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: Bukhov thing. So we don't have to talk about that 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: second thing. But I whenever I think about it, that's 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: the thing that I'm also thinking about, not just the tennis. 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little controversial, that's for sure. She 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: was certainly putting her in or line in the sand 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: with that lack of photo with the CEO from the 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: w t A. Yeah, I mean, and and I felt 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: sorry for Sablenco, who standing together going what's happening? 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? It's like I lost, I'm pissed, and. 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: But I'm taking this photo. Where are you? 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the photo. Get over here. I just 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, I know Rebakina was sort of asked about 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: it at press conference, but like they're really. 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Did She's saying that press conference. 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: I I was like, well, we did, you know, she 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: didn't really address it, and the press Core letter go 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: it was like, you know, we had an opportunity to 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: discuss it, and it wasn't discussed, And so I'm doing 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: my job and she's doing her job, which somebody then 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: would say, okay, well, what do you what's the message 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: it sends at the end of the season at the 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: most important tournament that the WTA runs to snub, it's CEO, like, 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: where are you know? Just I get that this is 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: uncomfortable stuff, but like in any other sport, these would 50 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: be pretty common follow up questions at a press conference, 51 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: And the fact that the WTA brings influencers to come 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: cover this thing and not journalists is what you get. 53 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: You don't get like the real story you get. 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: So you as you, as a real journalist, like somebody 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: who really does this for a living, who's who's worked 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: at some of the biggest newspapers magazines in the world, 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: what would you have done in that situation being in 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: that press conference. 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: I think she was making a massive statement. She would 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: tell you she's making a massive statement, and then you 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: get her on the record explaining the statement, and you 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: don't say okay when she says, well, she knows what 63 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: she did. 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: You get her on the record, you said, because you 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: broke up there you would get. 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: Her on the right say hey, listen, I get that 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want to talk about this, but in 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: front of all the assembled cameras, in front of all 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: the assembled brass, and in front of all of the 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: audience globally watching your victorious, incredible victory, you made a statement. 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: Talk about it, talk about why, and kind of you 72 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: have to have follow up questions like if you ever 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: watched a political press conference, if you've ever watched a 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: conference a press conference in another sport like these are 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: pretty basic tenants and just like tennis doesn't have it, 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: it's crazy to me that we just let so much 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: of this stuff go. And maybe also you ask Porscha 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: Archer about her and get her on the record and 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: ask her, you know, because I know the WTA has 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 2: probably done a lot of internal soul searching and also 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: some handringing about this, because you know, without wanting to 82 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: add any speculation to it, it seems like it's a 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: tough situation. You know, if you see and hear something 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: about a player needing help, but that player herself doesn't 85 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: seem to need or want help, then what do you do. 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's concerns for workplace. There's concerns for other 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: people who are around this whole situation, But at the 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: end of the day, she's being coached by who she 89 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: she says she wants to be coached by, and she's winning. 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: So you know, well, I mean, doing what she did 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: was certainly not taking it out of the spotlight. So 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: you're continuing to keep it in the spotlight, and you're 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: continuing to have generalists like yourself, for example, who would 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: sit in a press conference like that or anybody else 95 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: frankly ask those questions. And so if you're trying to, like. 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: Statement, then you don't do anything and you pretend like 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: everything's hunky dory. 98 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, which is not happening because that's what 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the statement was. The last basically jester you did of 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: the tour of the year five. 101 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: The end note of the WTA Tour this year is 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: the world number one's crying and also standing with the 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: CEO by yourself. 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: Not wanting to do that. I mean, let me tell you, 105 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: I have not lost in massive singles finals, but I've 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: certainly lost a lot of major doubles finals. And the 107 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: first thing I want to do is take my shit 108 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: and get off the court. There's no There's just never 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: a time where I'm like, you know what, I'm happy 110 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: to be here as a loser. I want to take 111 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: my photo, I want to talk to the people. There's 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: never one time I've done that. And you know I'll 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: be the first to say, you know, the one thing 114 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: about losing in doubles is I can look at my 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: doubles partner and say, you can talk. 116 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Actually, did you often ask your partners? Yeah? 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: I say, I can't do it. I can't stand these 118 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: people that I just lost to the chances of me 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: being nice to them right now is pretty much zero. 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: So off that, beautiful. You're a bigger. 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: Person than me. You can do this. I will not. 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I refuse. I'm just kidding. I mean I have done 123 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: it before. I've lost her friends in finals and like 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: a crudgingly have to say something nice about them. But no, 125 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: but it is a nightmare. I mean. We've seen some 126 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: epic runner up situations, none like the French Open when 127 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Martina hing has decided to just leave the court and 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: had to literally be coherse back as Naomi Osaka in 129 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Canada to come back to the presentation. 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: Victoria and Boca. 131 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to come back to the presentation anyway. 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: I will say, though, Arena Sablanca, another fantastic year, finishes 133 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: world number one. It's been a long time since gone 134 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: back to back, since somebody has done that as well 135 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: number one. But having said that, I would venture to 136 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: say that she would say it was a great year, 137 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the year that she would have hope for. 138 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: And that's an amazing thing to say when you reach 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: as many finals as she has, as you've like pinnacle 140 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: of world number one two years in a row, like 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: the consistency that she had this year was outrageously good. 142 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: But having only won one essentially one major title, the 143 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: US Open, I would say that she would say that 144 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: this year was a little bit of a failure. And 145 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean that in the nicest way, like because you know, 146 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: because she's been so good and consistently the best player 147 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: all year and making all the finals that she did, 148 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: I think she would be highly disappointed that she lost 149 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: in the finals of the Train Open, that she lost 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: in the semi finals of Wimbledon, that she lost the 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: final of the French Open, and then she lost to 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: WTA final. I think that for her is that someone 153 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: who's that dominant would be very disappointed that they didn't 154 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: get more major titles under their belt this year. And 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: she sort of deserved it, but in the end, give 156 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: you know when you don't deserve it. 157 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: It is a testament to how good her year is 158 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: that making three major finals and we're ranked number one, 159 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: Like that's still a great showing one thing that this 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: sort of just the reason is the question for me 161 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: is is it surface dependent or is Elena Rabakiin is 162 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: ceiling actually somehow higher than Arena Sablanca's ceiling. 163 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I think that. Look, Rabackiin 164 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: has had situations where she has just absolutely smoked Sabolanka. 165 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Look at that final in Brisbane a couple of years ago. 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean Sablanca barely won a game, and then two 167 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: weeks later Sabalanca winds, they stray and open. So I 168 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: just think Sablanca's upside is always really solid, really good 169 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: all the time. Like, you know, she's not losing in 170 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: first round, she's getting to sam she's getting to finals. 171 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Rabackin is losing to sort of random people at certain 172 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: times because I think when her her a game is on, 173 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: she's almost unbeatable, and it comes down to the serf 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: and she is the first player since Carolina Plishkova who 175 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: did it like five years ago, that's served over five 176 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: hundred aces in a year, which you know, think about that, 177 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: that's like three free games of every set that she's 178 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: serving pretty much. So if the serve is on and indoors, 179 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: she is by far the most aggressive big hitting player. Look, 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: if it had gone three sets, would it could have 181 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: been a different story. Yes, But if if if, as 182 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: we know, doesn't exist, so so you know, yeah, Rebekna 183 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: at her best, her back end is as good as 184 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: you get, her serve is as big as you get. 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: It's whether the forehand is successfully going down the line. 186 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: And early on in the match, Lindsay Davenport actually said, look, 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: if that's happening and she's hitting that fourne down the 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: line with consistency, then she's unbeatable. And we saw that, 189 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: and indoors, she pretty much took care of everybody in 190 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: this tournament and you know, walked away with a big, 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: fat five and a half million dollar check. 192 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: There was a minute, and I think for me it 193 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: was moments after the first set against Jessica Pegoula, who 194 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: was Victoria isn't that first set, but then just absolutely 195 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: the tides turned. You know, the score was four and 196 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: four in that second and third set in the semist 197 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: was four and three, but it didn't feel close. It 198 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: felt like Poogila got out to a great start. She 199 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: played well, she was seeing the ball, she was dictating points, 200 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Rebeckena kind of, I 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: don't know, relaxed her shoulders a little bit or just 202 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: kind of like figured dialed in the right equation for 203 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: Jess Poogogla, and it didn't feel like they were on 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: the same playing field after that. 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: That first said, yeah, you can tell that Jess was 206 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: going after the forehand and really trying to attack that 207 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: because that's where the mistakes will come a little more often. 208 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: I think one thing that she did didn't do enough, 209 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: Jess was to get it yes to the forehand, to 210 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: the forehand, but then get it to the back end. 211 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: You can't just keep going there because once Rebeken a 212 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: very similar to Coco, once the forehand doesn't start making errors, 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: then that's where you kind of fall into a little 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: bit of a trap going there too much and you 215 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: almost play them into not and then once they start 216 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: not missing their forehand, their confidence level goes so sky 217 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: high because they're like, oh, my weakest shot is super 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: good today, and so everything else relaxes. The serve relaxes, 219 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: the backhand's unbelievable. She's moving really great as well. I 220 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: thought Rebarkkna was moving well. And I think she's been 221 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: struggling this year with a bit of an Achilles tendon 222 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: issue because we've seen her, you know, with that taping 223 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: in that sort of ankle Achilles area, and I didn't 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: see that at all in the WTA finals. She was 225 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: dealing with a little bit of strapping on her right 226 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: shoulder for the serf, but other than that, I thought 227 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: she was moving really well. And you just wonder how 228 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: much of that Achilles has been bothering her for like 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: a year or two. I remember she sort of heard 230 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: it going into this strain Open a couple of years 231 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: ago when she lots that epic tie break to blinkover, 232 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: and that was when she beat Sabalanca and that easy 233 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: final in Brisbane and then went to the strain Open 234 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: after going to play Adelaide, and I remember pet Co 235 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: and I talked to that about that and We're like, 236 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: why would you go to Adelaide like you just won Brisbane, 237 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: go to the Strain Open and prepare as the favorite 238 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: to win these Strain Open, then went to Adelaide and 239 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: heard her achilles and then really struggled in that tournament 240 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: and lost to Blinkov. So I just wonder if the 241 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: movement also because she looked really good with the movement. 242 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: So again big hitter, great server, getting the ball back 243 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: in the court. One more ball back in the court. 244 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: She just waits for the easy one and then boom, 245 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: hits a winner. That's she was just too good. 246 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: I do want to just touch on that other semifinal 247 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: because I actually thought both semifinals in the the WTA 248 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: Tour finals were quite good Anissimova. Really I thought for 249 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: a second, especially in that first set, she had three 250 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: break points, she didn't convert on any of them, she 251 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: ended up losing the set. Then she came back in 252 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: the second and I thought, oh, now she's kind of 253 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: it's clicking for her. You can see she's just she's 254 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: getting closer and closer and closer on Seblanka. That backhand 255 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: is elite and her I think the thing that you 256 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: could kind of ding her for but is also the 257 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: most improved is just as a competitor, she's getting there. 258 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: She's less negative, which is not to say that she's 259 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: still a little too negative for my taste. Like I 260 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: would love for her to just be a little bit 261 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: more positive because she's got so many upsides. You know, 262 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like she's missing balls because she's making 263 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: bad choices. It's just, you know, she's playing great players. 264 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: So for me, like I see her climbing that hill, 265 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: and I thought, actually between the two semis, even though 266 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: they both went three sets, Animova to me felt closer 267 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: to the final, if that makes sense. 268 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, other than closer to than Pagola did. 269 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, her she was close on sublic. I thought that 270 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: was a winnable match, whereas for Jessica, after the pers set, 271 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: it just felt like, oh okay, this was she just 272 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: delayed the inevitable. Yeah that makes sense. 273 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think that Amanda Gosh, I tell you 274 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: going into next year, she I already said it. I 275 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: said it on the Potter Cup order like a month ago, 276 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: that I really do think she's going to win a 277 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Slam next year, major title. I think she can win 278 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: these Strain Open. She's done really well there in the past. 279 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: She beat Sablenka there in the in the past to 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: make the semi finals, I believe. So it's a really 281 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: good surface for her. I say look out for her 282 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: because I think all the experience that she had this 283 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: year of losing in that devastating final Wimbledon and then 284 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: correcting everything, not losing now to Eager, she on take 285 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the two times that she's played her now after that, 286 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: it's pretty extraordinary. So I think that she goes into 287 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: next year as the player that I really think is 288 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: going to break through. And it's just whether or not 289 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: we're going to have three or four different winners of 290 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Slams again next year because this year was crazy again 291 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: on the women's side, and they're so good. They're all 292 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: so good on a certain date. I mean, Maddi keyes arguably, 293 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: without question, was the best player in Australia. 294 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: You know it. 295 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: Adelaide goes to Melbourne, plays off her face, and then 296 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you look at Coco, how solid she was at the 297 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: French and then getting that unbelievable win in the finals, 298 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and the Eager played unbelievable at Wimbledon, and then again 299 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: of course Sablanca is just the player to beat at 300 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: the US Open, So are we going to have that 301 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: again next year? And as Amanda Anisimova going to come 302 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and surprise us and break through finally in one of 303 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: those big matches. And I think, after what she's done 304 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: this year, the lessons that she would have learned in 305 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: these big tournaments, I think is going to help her 306 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: win a major next year. And just lastly, on Amanda, 307 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: to play your first WTA finals, it's a very different feeling, 308 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: and I said it on the part a couple of 309 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: weeks ago, it does take a bit getting used to. 310 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: It's like playing for your country for the first time. 311 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of feels a little weird. I think the 312 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: fact that she came so close to making the finals 313 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: is really impressive to me for the first time of 314 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: playing the w taar finals. So who are we going 315 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: to have in the top of eight again next year? 316 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I see all of these players getting back there again, 317 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: except maybe mirror Andreva. We'll see what she can do 318 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: next year. She has a lot of points to defend 319 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: at the start of the year. But I certainly look 320 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: at these young players like Mumbacco, like Amanda, like Andreva, 321 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,359 Speaker 1: and then you've got the stalwarts like Eager, Sablanca, Rebarkina, 322 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: all these players that just in Coco that just keep 323 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: showing up every week. 324 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and winning. I do think everyone always gets so 325 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: mad at me on the internet when I never to 326 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: talk about. 327 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: Eager, Yes they do. So can you like be nice? 328 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm always nice. I'm just I feel like I oh, honestly, 329 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: I have said so many positive things about her this year, 330 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: and I think kind of my question for you is, 331 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: and I truly was thrilled the chew on Wimbledon. It 332 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: was really happy to see her so happy and playing 333 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: sire well, and like, truly that was one of my 334 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: favorite moments of the year. I mean, like, I love 335 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: when the matches unexpected, well it's unpredictable, and you like 336 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: really do and I just like when people can can 337 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: kind of break through something. And I think she didn't 338 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: expect to win Wimbledon and just not for sure seeing 339 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: how the fashion in which she wanted was so exhilarating 340 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: and great. I do I do wonder because to your 341 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: point about you know, Amanda Nissimova and experience, you know, 342 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: how much of it for EA is just it is 343 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: so hard for her to beat these players on an 344 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: indoor hardcourt. Yeah, that's most of it, right, I mean, 345 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: I don't really want to find a fault in the 346 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: way she showed up or played. She's always intense, she's 347 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: always prepared, you know. Sometimes she looks a little shakier 348 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: with like sort of internal stuff than other times. But 349 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: it's not like her game goes to shit. It's just 350 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: this doesn't seem like it's ever going to be much 351 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: like it wasn't ever Rafa's surface, right, Like this just 352 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: isn't what they're built for. 353 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, she played, you know, she won 354 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the first set against Rabacchina, playing great, but Rabacchina, you know, 355 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: as you said, her a level is on that particular 356 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: surface is going to be slightly better than Egos just 357 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: because of the serf. She's winning so many free points 358 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: on serve and Egs not getting the free point on serf. 359 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: So I think that she can get better in that department, 360 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: or she can get a few more free points on 361 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: a serve. And she's tall, it's not like she's like 362 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: Jasmine Paulini size. She's like five ten and strong and 363 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: a strong athletic tennis player. So I think she can 364 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: get a little bit better in that department and get 365 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: the and also vary her serve. She gets at predictability 366 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: with the kickserve, and then players like Rebaquin and Sabalanca, 367 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: who are tall, that's not out of their hitting zone, 368 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: so that is actually a bad serve to hit to them. 369 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: So she has to sort of work on that department, 370 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: and I think she does. Then she can win on 371 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: a fastest service. Having said that, she did win Wimbledon, 372 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: but Weldon it's not as quick. It's just not The 373 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: ball grabs on the grass differently than what it did 374 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago. Now having said all that, though, 375 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: I actually think she's a really good shot to win 376 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 1: the Austrain Open, because look what happened last year. I mean, 377 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: she came one point, She had a match point against 378 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: Matti Keys, who was by far the best player in 379 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: the in the in the month of tournament. It was 380 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: in the month of January. She was so close to 381 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: being in the final. And now is she going to 382 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: beat Sablanca in the final. I don't know, but you 383 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: have to think going in there, you got to think 384 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: that she's pretty comfortable of playing on those courts in Melbourne. Now, 385 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: I think she's got to feel really good about going 386 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: in there, as does Sablanca, as do Rebarkina, as does Eager, 387 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: as does Maddie. I mean, defending champion always feels good 388 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: going the strain open. But and then you've got Amanda Anisimova. 389 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the women's is so deep and 390 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: so fun and so unpredictable. And I know, Caateline, you 391 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: love that. 392 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: I love that absolutely right. 393 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't as a tennis fan who doesn't. I mean, 394 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: predictable is boring. 395 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: Princtable is boring, which is why, if I may transition 396 00:18:50,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: me to the men, I'm really helping. I'm hoping against 397 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: soap that some unpredictable results come out of Turin. Now. 398 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: I do have to brag a little bit because I 399 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: am usually certainly told or whenever I'm wrong, But you 400 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: were right when I said it was not inconceivable that 401 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic would pull out of d ATP Tour finals. 402 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: And both are guys, Lorenzo Mussetti and. 403 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: Felix Okay, So to Mike Okay, I need to defend 404 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: myself in this situation, Okay, because you did make. 405 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 2: Well it's crazy. It's a crazy thing that happened. 406 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: No, but I can tell you why, because I didn't 407 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: know that he owned this tournament and his brother ran 408 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: the tournament in Greece, and that he lives now in Athens. 409 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I just thought he was going 410 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: to play a random Athens tournament and get some matches 411 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: before the ATV finals, right, which would make sense, would 412 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: it not. What I didn't know is that his brother 413 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: and his company owned this tournament, so of course they 414 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: w to be incredibly successful. 415 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: Which it was the same license that used to be 416 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: played in Serbia exactly. 417 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: But I did not know this cap So of course, 418 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: now that I know that it was his tournament, of 419 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: course I now know that he wanted to be successful, 420 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: and to be successful you need all the best players 421 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: in that not just yourself. And it made out out 422 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: to be the best final. It was MASSETI. We were 423 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: going to be talking about it all week. Oh is 424 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Massti gonna win? Is he going to make the ATV finals? 425 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: This is so stressful for him? YadA, YadA, YadA. Meanwhile, 426 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: he didn't needed he didn't even need to play, because 427 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: Novak had zero intention of playing the ATV finals. But 428 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: he's no dummy because he knows the attention that tournament 429 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: got based on the fact that Mussetti needed to play 430 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: and needed to win it, and needed to win the 431 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: final just made it a little extra spicy to be 432 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: at that tournament and to watch that tournament. Because no 433 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: offense to Novak, because it was great to see him 434 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: when one hundred and one and the match was incredible 435 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: and he's diving around the court like he's twenty two 436 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: years of age trying to win this match. But what 437 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: I did, I would not have cared, no offense. I 438 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: would not really have cared about who won Athens. Do 439 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, No. 440 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: I have to say if I'm Lorenzo Mussetti, pest. 441 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because of course he goes today and loses six 442 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: three six for to Taylor Fritz, who's been into WRIN 443 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: practicing and having a nice little time, probably about three 444 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: days off after his last tournament, and goes there feeling 445 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: fresh as a daisy, and Musserti, on the other hand, 446 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: is flying. Now people will be like, well, if Meserti 447 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: had won, I'm like, it doesn't matter. He didn't need 448 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: to play the tournament he didn't need to play six 449 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: matches stressed out of his mind to go and play 450 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: the tournament into Ren. He could have just gone to 451 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Turin and prepared and played Taylor Fritz. Instead, he's like 452 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: on one leg after three hour final, getting on a 453 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: plane and having go to Durin. So yeah, as kind 454 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: of like. 455 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be mad. No, it was not terribly cool. 456 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: Hard to imagine. Runs Massetti goes back to Greece to 457 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: like do a solid for definitely not family after this, 458 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: because he got totally screwed over and again, keep in mind, 459 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: had no vak Djokovic not pulled out Laurens Mussetti would 460 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: not have gotten in. 461 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Massetti would not have No, of course not, he would 462 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: not have gotten in because he lost. He need to 463 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: wear the tournament. 464 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: He had to win the tournament. So Felix O j 465 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: Eliasim looks like a genius here and again he could 466 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: have not looked like a genius. Totally Massetti won and 467 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: no back not gone it. 468 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Massetti had won, right, and then 469 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: Faa is like, ah shit, get me on a plane, 470 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm going to Canada, and then all a 471 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: Sudden's like, well now. 472 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: You're back tournament. 473 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean listen, there's gonna be listen, there's 474 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: gonna be people out there that say, well, too bad. 475 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: You know, he did what he did. It was business 476 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: and if you can't win the tournament, all that sort 477 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: of stuff. But man or man next mm hmmm. And 478 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: it would have been anyone, if it had been anyone, 479 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: if it had been jan Nik or whoever. It's not. 480 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: This is not about Novak. It's just like, man, and 481 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: you knew you weren't playing. You should have just you 482 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: should have just pulled out every day. I'm not sure 483 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: if I'm going to go. You had no intention, you 484 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: wanted your tournament to be successful in Athens, and you did, 485 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: and it was awesome and the crowds were unreal. And 486 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: you've got one hundred and one titles, which is just insane. 487 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: How good that is he is now. The only thing 488 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't have now on all the records is the 489 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Jimmy Connor's record, which I believe is what one hundred 490 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: and nine. I don know. I'm guessing. I know you 491 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: can look it up, because that's what you do, because 492 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: you've got your computer on. But it's the one thing 493 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't have that and of course the twenty five 494 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: beating Margaret Court. So hey, listen, you when your last 495 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: tournament the year, you feel pretty good about yourself going 496 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: to Melbourne's I'm. 497 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. I love the 498 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: drama it was, especially because I feel and I fear 499 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: that there might not be that much drama coming out 500 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: of Turin. 501 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: No hope there is. 502 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: But like I said, hard to imagine this isn't a 503 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: march to inevitability between our two guys. Water Butch happens 504 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: to absolutely love and eat alive every single hardcore tournament, 505 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: especially when they are inside. 506 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, our boy Jannick Center, well he's playing tonight as 507 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: we do this pod, he is not quite on court yet. 508 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: Of course, Taylor Fritz just beat Lorenzo Messetti, as I said, 509 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: in straight sets. And yesterday al carazjue very comfortably in 510 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: his match, and Benny Shells went down to Alex Zverev. 511 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: Did you see any of that match? 512 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: I didn't want to match. I'm a Benny Shells fan. 513 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: I think probably the less set about alex Erev the better. 514 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: But what happened I don't know. I be honest, like, 515 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: he hasn't played very much. He has not been playing 516 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: that wells Verev has been playing fairly well. I just 517 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: think he was a little more solid, and that's what 518 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: it comes down to Zverev. I mean, listen, in the 519 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: second set could have gone a different way. Eight six 520 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 1: in the tiebreak, could have definitely gone to three sets, 521 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: and then it would have been interesting. But again, being 522 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: in the a TV finals is a is a new thing. 523 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: So as I said with Amanda Anisimova, they're playing the 524 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: first ATP finals or wtaar finals. It is very different. 525 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: It feels different, it feels special, so you don't feel 526 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: like your normal self going in there. So I think, look, 527 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: could he improve from the match against Vera, absolutely, but 528 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: now he has to beat Alcorest. He plays pretty well 529 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: against Alcarest. He doesn't give him a lot of you know, 530 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: bawls to hit, goes after everything. But then again Alex 531 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Vera demonol as well, so that's in his section. He 532 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: still could potentially get through, but. 533 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine him beating Carlos Alcorrez. But I 534 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 2: actually like his odds, as you said, against Alcaraz, better 535 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: than I like them against Alex Perev because they're both 536 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: sort of shot makers, and I feel like they both 537 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: kind of get up for the moment, whereas, like one 538 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: thing that Zverev does very well is he's very solid everywhere, 539 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: and unless he's really under the gun emotionally and gives 540 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: himself an opportunity to choke, which I've never seen him 541 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: not take, he can handle everything that Ben Shelton is 542 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: throwing at him kind of no problem. And so I 543 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: actually think there's a chance that he could take the 544 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: fight to Carlos Zacaraz, And I actually really like his 545 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: odds against Demnar, who just to me, I know you 546 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: love him, and I know he's a great Australian and 547 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: a lovely chap and all that, but he just looks 548 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: a little second tier. 549 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: Well he's not second tier. He just doesn't have the power, 550 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: you know. And indoors, you're playing against these guys with 551 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: big serves that are attacking, that are being just super aggressive, 552 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: and Alex sort of relies on you making errors and 553 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: these guys aren't those guys, right, Alex beats everybody ranked 554 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: underneath him because he's just so much better and more solid, 555 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: and he refuses to make a dumb error, you know 556 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. But these guys above him, like Alex, 557 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: like Carlos, like Yannick, they just they play like him. 558 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: They just have more power, they have more shots to 559 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: play on the big occasions when the forehands there to 560 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: hit a winner on, they can actually do it. Was Alex, 561 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: he kind of relies on you to make the error, 562 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: and against these top players, that's not going to happen, 563 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: particularly now. But listen, I think that one of the 564 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: things that Ben also finds when he plays against Vereb 565 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: is when he serves that wide surf, for example, it 566 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: takes that lefty, it goes right into Zvereb's backhand. He's tall, 567 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: all he can sort of get the ball back a 568 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: little bit easier than someone like let's say Alex, who's 569 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: not as tall, or even Carlos who's not as tall. 570 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: So we'll see how he responds back in his next 571 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: level matches. But certainly it looks like more than likely 572 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: we're going to see Oh, you never know, Al Chirez sinner, 573 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: but I can guarantee you Sin that's going to be 574 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: in the final. He's just playing too well. One thing 575 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: we did did mention is that Darren k Hill certainly. 576 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: Still the question mark is he going to be back 577 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: next year? Keeps getting asked every week, particularly when he 578 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: wins Paris and he's standing there in the photo and 579 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: just keeps getting asked that question. Which journalists do, Is 580 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: Darren k Hill going to be back next year? 581 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: The question is you are the only person who's really right. 582 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most interesting stories. Again, 583 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: I know it's one of the interesting stories. 584 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: We'll watch, Kay, He'll watch. 585 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: Exactly Killer k Hill, watch anything else so that you 586 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: would like to discuss this week, my friend, that's been 587 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: brewing on your mind. 588 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: I'm very curious intent to watch what happens with a 589 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: lot of this tour merging news. I also think it's 590 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: phenomenally interesting that the Saudis now do not want to 591 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: exercise their option to renew the next gen in Jetta, 592 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: but instead they're getting their Masters one thousand, which needs 593 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: to find a data in the calendar. So, like, who knows. 594 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: I like the things that are kind of operating at 595 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: an organizational level because it feels like that's where the 596 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: future of the sport is going. And that's something I 597 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: care a lot about, and you know, and part of 598 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: it is because I don't know the technical part of 599 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: the game certainly as well as you do, but I 600 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: know what I like to watch, and the tennis itself 601 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: is such a good product that it kind of takes 602 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: care of itself. The part that I feel more invested 603 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: in is the future of the leagues and the organizing bodies, 604 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 2: because I don't feel like they're in good shape and 605 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know that they're headed towards good stuff. 606 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: And I feel honestly like if there's any way I 607 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: or Racket or anybody I know can be helpful in 608 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: that way, like I care about it a lot. So 609 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: that's what I'm watching. Where are all these off season 610 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: organizational moves taking place? Which is why like we're baking 611 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: a snubbing Archer is. Yes, it's a story and it's 612 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: about her and her coach, and it's about the tours, 613 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: but it's also about like where is the power and 614 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: what signals dies that send and how do governing bodies 615 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: reckon with their players and organizational stuff like having rules 616 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: in place and protecting athletes but also you know, making 617 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: sure nobody's I don't know, there's interesting stuff there. 618 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: It show feels like a little bit of a shit show, 619 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Really? No one sort of is like fully 620 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: in charge of tennis bodies. You know, the may just 621 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: have so much pull and they are clearly fighting against 622 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: the Saudis. In this situation, the Saudis are just buying 623 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: so much. I mean it, I talked about it last week. 624 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: It does disappoint me when you see the WTA finals. Yeah, 625 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: they're winning an enormous amount of money, but to see 626 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: the crowds, like it's like, it's that stadium is for 627 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: five thousand people, Like what are we doing? You know, what, 628 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: what are we doing? This is our best of our best. 629 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: And when you're playing an US Open final in front 630 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: of eighteen thousand people, the Ustrain Open in front of 631 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people, Wimbledon in front of fifteen sixteen thousand people, 632 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: and the friendship, and then you're playing our WTA finals 633 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: with the best players in the world and they can 634 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: barely fill that thousand dollars five thousand stadium seating because 635 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: it's in Saudi Arabia. It's like, I don't know, I 636 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: just it's kind of like the WNBA now, like you know, 637 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: with this league going to Saudias as well, It's like, 638 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: I get it, all the money there, but it just 639 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: it just feels I don't know. 640 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: Does it feel different than China. 641 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a little bit different to China. And 642 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: I get you could go on about the human rights 643 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: in China are just as bad as Sui's, but I 644 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't know. I mean, you're a 645 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: smartest person that may you tell me what you think 646 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: about this. 647 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about this so many times. I 648 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: I don't know that we The best part of tennis 649 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: is that it touches all these amazing places. And I 650 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 2: agree with people like Billy Jean King who say it 651 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: says you have to be in the room and you 652 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: have to engage. I also think, you know, there are 653 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: choices that I would love to see our leadership making differently, 654 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: and that goes for a lot of this. Yeah, I 655 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: also think that there are very limited and you know, 656 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: you talk to your friends and my friends in private 657 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: equity and investing. They're not shying away from hotspots in 658 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: the world at all. They don't care. And it's disheartening 659 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: and it's frustrating, but it's also sort of true, and 660 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 2: so it makes a lot of us who do care think, Okay, 661 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: if we are going to engage and we are going 662 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: to use our platforms to what end and which conversations 663 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: feel like the ones to be worth having? Because I 664 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: don't I don't agree with you that the crowds are 665 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: the problem. I don't think that that's actually your problem 666 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 2: with it. I think your problem is much much bigger. 667 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it's honestly, it's a combination. It really is. 668 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: Like I would like to see a stadium of ten 669 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: thousand screaming fans going bonkers for an incredible match at 670 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: the wtaar Finals. I would, and I think the women 671 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: deserve that after an entitally difficult, difficult year to get there, 672 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: and it's a special moment. And I have played at 673 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. I played the WTAF finals there. I 674 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: played the WTAF finals at the Staples Center. I played 675 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: at amazing arenas for the WTA Finals where it was 676 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: just packed and incredible. And these people love to see 677 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: these women play each other every single match, and back 678 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: in my day often it was like, you know, you're eliminated, 679 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: But in this situation, you get to see all these 680 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: great players get playing against each other. So I would 681 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: just like to see a better I would just like 682 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: to see a better crowd. I mean, I don't think 683 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: the players give a shit. They're going to make five 684 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: million dollars and they prefer to make five million dollars 685 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: in front of five thousand people or two million dollars 686 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: in front of fifteen thousand. I don't know that's a 687 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: question for them, but yeah, I mean, I assume what 688 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: you're saying, and I agree with Billy Jean. I agree 689 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: with Billy Or you know, Amanda Anisimova's agreed to come 690 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: on at some point in the next month in the 691 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: off season, and we'll ask her, because she's a perfect 692 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: person that asked. It's the first time. Would she have 693 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: liked to have been somewhere like a Madison Square garden 694 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: that had fifteen thousand people. 695 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: But for a lot less money? 696 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: Maybe, but for less money, that's a good question. 697 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: You know. One thing I think maybe as is our way, 698 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: or at least something that I think we both like 699 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: to do, which is to sort of try to get 700 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: into some of this stuff that's a little sticky, but 701 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: also like solution. I really do think like if Bill 702 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: Ackman can write a check and get himself onto a 703 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: tennis court that he wasn't delivered to be on and 704 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: buy swaths of you know, the amount of billionaires in 705 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: this country. 706 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried to get Bill Gates to put it on. 707 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: Let's go, come on. 708 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: Like, I don't like it's not like folks who live 709 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 2: in places or support places that we would imagine might 710 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 2: be able to draw a bigger crowd don't have billionaires. Yeah, 711 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 2: I don't think they're doing much to help the world. 712 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're doing two things here, right. We've asked 713 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: for all the major titles to allow influences and people 714 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: like that to which, by the way, which is build 715 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: an idea. Yeah, put your content out let us. 716 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 2: That's that's a great. 717 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: Let's do that. So we've asked for that. And the 718 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: next one is we're going after the billionaires to try 719 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: and bring my major tennis. 720 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: Call it the Billionaires Challenge, the Billionaires Challenge, Billionaires Challenge. 721 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: Who's going to be the first there? This is probably 722 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: the only Joyce Carolotes quote that will be in a 723 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: tennis podcast this week, but I read and I'm imagined. Yeah, 724 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: if you've ever read any Joyce Carolotes, have you? 725 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: I have actually thank you, ah, great, I'm really happy, 726 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: But are you going to bring in let's go, let's 727 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: go in our last minute of our podcast, like Let's go? 728 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 2: Roasted Elon Musk on his own platform by saying, so curious, 729 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: that's such a wealthy man never posts anything that he 730 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone else appreciates. 731 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: Scenes from nature, a pet, dog or cat, praise for 732 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: a movie, music, a book, pride in a friend or relatives, accomplishment, 733 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: condolences for someone who've died, pleasure in sports, acclaim for 734 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: a favorite team, references to history. In fact, he seems 735 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons on Twitter may have 736 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: access to more beauty and meaning in life than the 737 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 2: most wealthy person in the world. Now I read that 738 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: as what a sad thing. This really rich guy has 739 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 2: no hobbies, he has no life life, He's got nothing. 740 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: He's got all the money in there. 741 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: Although I did he did have a massive boat out 742 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: in like Sardinia a couple of years ago. 743 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: All these billionaires they seem to maybe like boats. So listen, billionaires, 744 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: now's your chance, now's your chance make a difference. Don't 745 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: only love your boat. 746 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: Two things they should do. Write food checks to the 747 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: really poor in this country that are losing snap and 748 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: buy wemen's Towness event and put. 749 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: A billionaire's challenge. Who's going to Stillion challenge? Caitlyn tennis 750 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: lesson from Renee and. 751 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll give you a free tennis lesson anytime. 752 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to now do karaoke with the winner. 753 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: Okay, great, all right, that's us for this week. Thanks. 754 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: We're going to come back next week obviously and finish 755 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: up with the Men's ATP Finals, the NITO ATP Finals, 756 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: and of course and we're going to also get into 757 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: everything with Austra and Open and all the other shenanigans 758 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: and hopefully an Amanda Amasonova. That's the week store all right, guys, 759 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today. Caitlin has been real