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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Real

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Speaker 1: Time Crime. I'm your host, Leah Lamar, and I have

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Speaker 1: with me our incredible friend who is sometimes Dmitri, but

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Speaker 1: now oftentimes Dmitri. Dmitri. It's a good thing I didn't

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Speaker 1: take sometimes to meet you on Instagram because now that

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, go get oftentimes Dmitri. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't see you running to your phone to change

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Speaker 1: your handles. Yeah, so no more promotions for you, Dmitri.

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Speaker 1: Or that's the last one. I'm still at Dmitri Pappis.

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Speaker 1: That's all al right, whatever you can tell him. In

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Speaker 1: my dad's office today, I'm in Florida, lucky me, and

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Speaker 1: I see you are in your own office. That's right,

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Speaker 1: because you're a dad, that's right. I work from all

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Speaker 1: this is where I am, so I spend the day here,

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Speaker 1: and you know I I always talk into a microphone,

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Speaker 1: but it just happens to be convenient when we're on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I never noticed this before, but it does

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Speaker 1: seem like the artwork behind you as a bar code.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe I see. I can tell you in Florida

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Speaker 1: because you have the vertical lines, the blinds, all the

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Speaker 1: vertical blinds. They're killing me. I hate the vertical blinds. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: today we're going to be discussing a bunch of hot

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Speaker 1: topics as usual. There is a search for an eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old woman who disappeared suspiciously in Nevada. We will

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Speaker 1: be covering a mystery illness that hit the set of

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Speaker 1: n C I S and we'll be covering circling back.

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Speaker 1: I should say to Moses J. Mosley's autopsy results. And

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Speaker 1: then we have a very special guest with us today,

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Speaker 1: Lisa Guero, who is the host of Secrets of Playboy

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Speaker 1: on A and E, which would be airing on Monday.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very excited about this episode today. But first

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Speaker 1: I'd like to apologize to everyone that I'm wearing my

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Speaker 1: visial line. I don't think it's it's invisible the video.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can you hear it? This is most people are listening, Dmitri.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if realized that. No. I thought you

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Speaker 1: were drunk. You thought I was drunk. No, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: didn't really think you were drunk. I don't hear anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't hear a difference. You don't hear This is

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Speaker 1: coming from a career mumbler. So what's the difference, king

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Speaker 1: of mumbling mumbled looking? All right, let's just get into

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Speaker 1: this because I'm mentally ill today. Okay, So our first

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Speaker 1: hot topic for today is Nevada authorities are searching for

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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old woman whose disappearance they say is

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Speaker 1: suspicious in nature. I mean, I have to say, any

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Speaker 1: disappearance is usually suspicious in nature. So I'm not really

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Speaker 1: sure what that headlines about, but I think that's being polite.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think this is definitely suspicious. Right,

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Speaker 1: So what they're saying is she did not intentionally run away.

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Speaker 1: Something happened. Okay. So Naomi has been missing for more

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Speaker 1: than a week. She's eighteen, and she lives in Nevada.

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Speaker 1: She was last seen in her car in the parking

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Speaker 1: Marris with the Lion County Sheriff's Office, during a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: she was waiting to take the shuttle to work from Walmart.

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Speaker 1: That's the important thing because if you say she was

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Speaker 1: You think, well, who knows what, but that she was

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Speaker 1: I find this unbelievable. Okay, So at five twenty four,

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Speaker 1: a surveillance video shows a man wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt,

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Speaker 1: At five, her vehicle was seen leaving the parking lot

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Speaker 1: with the man driving. Okay, so this is very quick turnaround.

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Speaker 1: Authorities are asking for the public's help in locating the

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Speaker 1: dark newer Chevrolet. Um, well, is that is that his

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Speaker 1: thing about the hotel Sixel, well except that you already

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Speaker 1: Go check the footage, especially if you're in that area,

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Speaker 1: think they had to obviously they brought you on because

426
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: if your talent is that but I think it would

427
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: have been a huge missed opportunity to not have you

428
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: be part of that. You're the perfect person for it,

429
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of the girls trust you

430
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you, And I think that did really

431
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: help with that trust factor because, as you probably know,

432
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: when a lot of these women came forward, they were

433
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: criticized not just by viewers or you know, mainstream readers

434
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: of the magazine, but they were criticized by women within

435
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: the Playboy sisterhood and that was extremely painful for them,

436
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: and they knew it was going to happen. And this

437
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: is what makes them really brave, is that these women

438
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: knew that they were going to get pushed back on this,

439
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: that they would get trolled on social media, that they

440
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: would be ousted from their Playboy sisterhood, but they did

441
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: it anyway because they to happen to the next generation

442
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: of young women. There's no Hugh Hefner anymore, but there

443
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: are still men like that in the world, but Hugh

444
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: types live on right, and there's no there's no there's

445
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: no way that everyone's experience was the same. So of

446
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: course they would get pushed back from people who had

447
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: who maybe gotten more from it, or who were treated

448
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: differently or or whatever, didn't have a problem with what

449
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: was going on. So yeah, so even more so, it

450
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: was brave of them to do that. Um, it's funny. Yeah,

451
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: I just want to stop for a second because you

452
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: make such a great point here. Um, one of the

453
00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: reasons everybody quiet. I made a good point mark the calendars. Um,

454
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: what what you're saying is important because, look, the women,

455
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: the women knew that they were going to receive pushback.

456
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: So as a host and as somebody that had been there,

457
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: it was important for me to be able to point

458
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: out to the viewer to say, look, I don't have

459
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: an ax to grind. This didn't happen to me. I

460
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: was not a victim of a rape or or a

461
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: drugging or an abduction. But what I can tell you

462
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: is that just because it didn't happen to me doesn't

463
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: mean that it didn't happen to these women. You know,

464
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard for for people to kind of

465
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: get their head around that concept somehow, but it's it's

466
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: not too easy to imagine that just because one person is, uh,

467
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, a predator, that doesn't mean they're a predator

468
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: to every single woman they come across they can't, but

469
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: they pick people to groom that are specifically vulnerable to attack.

470
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: So that's why, because I don't have an extra grind,

471
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I think I was the right person to ask these

472
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: questions and to help the audience kind of have this

473
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: conversation about it. Well, so in the latest episode of

474
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: Secrets of Playboy, it was allegedly very scathing against you,

475
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: and like you said, some people had really negative experiences

476
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: with him, and not everyone did. What were some of

477
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: your other personal interactions with him, like and what else

478
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: did you witness firsthand? So when I was at the

479
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Mansion Um again one, I immediately there is a sense

480
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: of inequity in terms of the age differences between the

481
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: men and the women. You know, I I I realized,

482
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of young women, probably you know,

483
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: at that age range really think of guys over thirty

484
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: even as old, you know, when you're I remember being

485
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty and you know, going to clubs with

486
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: a fake I D and seeing a thirty year old

487
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: at a bar and thinking, oh, gross, he's old. He's

488
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: he's got to be at least thirty, he's probably divorced.

489
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: And so meanwhile I'm looking for a guy who's forty five,

490
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's at his prime. Yeah, exactly. But

491
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: when you're young, you don't look at it like if

492
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: you have a normal you know, pretty much of a

493
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: normal family unit, where you're kind of, um, haven't been

494
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: abused or haven't been traumatized. I think most young women

495
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: at that age would see men in their fifties and

496
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: sixties and not necessarily be attracted to them. But those

497
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: men were there, and it wasn't just this is a

498
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: big part of this story, right. It wasn't just Hugh Hefner.

499
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: He had a whole circle of men around him that

500
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: were exhibiting the same kind of behavior. And so the

501
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed was how uncomfortable I was with

502
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: that and how um, you know, they kept saying the

503
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: same thing, Oh, I'm sure you want to be an actress.

504
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm a producer, I can help you. You know, I'm

505
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: a director, I'm a star, And there there was just

506
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: a real sense of Okay, there is some kind of

507
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: trade going on here, and it was It was gross

508
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: to me, It made me uncome trible. But at the

509
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: same time I also understood that I was there because

510
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: my agency wanted me to be there, and then I

511
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: was there later to get free food. So you know,

512
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: everybody was participating in some way in this kind of

513
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: um you know, I guess exchange in some way. People

514
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: were there for business, people were there to help their career,

515
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: people were there to find a young woman. It was

516
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: really interesting. That's the scary part about that situation, is

517
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. We've heard stories about that in

518
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Hollywood for forever. I'm a director, I'm a producer. I

519
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: can help your career. I guess you want to be

520
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: an actress. This this has happened to me a million

521
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: times as But now you're in a position in an

522
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: atmosphere where it's completely sexualized, and you're not on a

523
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: set where they're like trying to sneak it in here.

524
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: That is what they're doing at the mansion, Like, that's

525
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: why those guys are there. They're not there looking for

526
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: somebody to start in their movie. Right there there to

527
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: get what they want, and so it's almost like it's

528
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: almost like just walking right into a trap and and

529
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: knowing it is, but it's normalized. Well, that's that is

530
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: exactly right, and that that is why these stories about

531
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Carissa and Christina Shannon, which are the twins from the

532
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: final series of The Girls next Door. Um, that's who

533
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about on the first one of these two

534
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: specials who went on Monday Night is behind the scenes

535
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: of The Girls next Door and the twins come forward

536
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: for the first time. They were nineteen when they first

537
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: got to the mansion and became his girlfriends. He was

538
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: eighty three, and they watched that show, The Girls next

539
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Door as teenagers, and they thought it was a sitcom.

540
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: They didn't think it was real. So when they were

541
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: asked to be the girlfriends and they were asked to

542
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: be to live at the mansion, they didn't realize what

543
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: they were getting into. They were vulnerable, they were young,

544
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: They came from a very tough background, and what they

545
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: found themselves in was much more than they could process

546
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: or handle at that age. And they have some really

547
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: traumatic experiences that they're telling me about on Monday Night. Um,

548
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: and it's it's they've never talked about this before, but

549
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: it's it's an example of these really young women being

550
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: targeted by this older man and his organization. Do you

551
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: think anyone was actually attracted to Hugh. I think when

552
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: he was younger and as I was watching, you know,

553
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: that's a really great question, I think because as I

554
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: was watching the early episodes when he was younger, he

555
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: was very handsome, he was powerful. You know, he came

556
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: across as a feminist, and some people still believe and

557
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: in some ways. I think one of the things he

558
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: talked about was women taking ownership of their sexuality and

559
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: and you know free, you know, freedom of of your

560
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: your sexuality, your body, um. Feminism, um. As we kind

561
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: of thought of feminism in the seventies. Part of that

562
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: was being comfortable with your nudity, not having to wear

563
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: braws right and and and having sex with who you

564
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: wanted to when he wanted to, being able to get

565
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: a pill, the pill, being able to to have an

566
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: abortion if you wanted too. So those are things that

567
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: early on Hugh Hefner was a champion of so I

568
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: can see how earlier he was attractive to some some women.

569
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: And when you look at Sondra Theodore, who's one of

570
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: the women we talked to in the second of my episodes,

571
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: which is a week from Monday, she was very young,

572
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: but he was in his fifties when they were dating,

573
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: and and he was still handsome, and he was, you know,

574
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: a powerful man, a wealthy man. He lived in a mansion,

575
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: and I can see how a young woman might get

576
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: swept away at that point. Now, as he got older,

577
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: it's inconceivable to me to be attracted to somebody, you

578
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: know that that became the man, that that he looks

579
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: like he was towards the end um and that that's

580
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: really troubling, isn't it It is? And also speaking of

581
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: the youth that was in the house, is it true

582
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: that it was commonplace that girls who were seventeen would

583
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: take photos for Centerfold and then once they turned eighteen,

584
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: they would publish the magazine. Yeah. So, Susie Craibacker, who

585
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: used to go by the name Susie Scott, was a playmate,

586
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: and we talked to Susie in the second of these

587
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: two episodes, the special So a Week from Monday. Susie

588
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: talks about um, you know, the fact that she was

589
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: actually underage when she shot her first Centerfold and they

590
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: waited until she turned eighteen to publish them. Yeah. So

591
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: so there there there were instances that some of these

592
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: women talk about throughout the the documentary series, and then

593
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the twins themselves of course they you know, they were

594
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: nineteen when they came to be on the show, but

595
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: they were taking suggestive photos, you know, a couple of

596
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: years earlier, and in fact they were submitted to be

597
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: on the show before they were, you know, of age.

598
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: The problem is that that he you know, obviously you

599
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: mentioned that he was into certain things that were that

600
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: were on the right track when he was younger. But

601
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: but the problem is the part of the manipulation is

602
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: that he really for all the other publications that did

603
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: similar things, Playboy was always equated with class. It was

604
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: the bow tie, it was this, and it was and

605
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: you really got a feeling, Oh, he's taking care of

606
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: these people. This is this is what's going on. This

607
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: is a class adventure. He's not doing the hustler, he's

608
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: not doing the the penthouse. You know, this is this

609
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: is he's taking care of these girls. And everybody just

610
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: kind of feeling that. So I can understand that these

611
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: girls went there thinking one thing, and then all of

612
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're in this if I may it's Spider's web,

613
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, huh, yeah, well, you know that's that's

614
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: that's really the case. And again, the docuseries talks about

615
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: the brand and how the brand was different than Penthouse

616
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: or Hustler or these other more risque or much more

617
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: explicit magazines. And so there was this image that that

618
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the women that were on the cover and that we're, um,

619
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the centerfolds, were the girl next door.

620
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: We're all American girls and we're you know, we're sweet,

621
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: and you know, they even equate them. There's a Playboy

622
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: manifesto that's spoken about in these specials where they equate

623
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: the playmate to a bunny. That she should be fresh

624
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: and she should smell freshly washed, and she should appear

625
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: to be innocent. And so there, there is definitely there.

626
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: There was for many years this image of the playmates

627
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: and how they should be the girls next door. I

628
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: would never be able to be a playmate. They'd seen

629
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: me as a caveman. They'd take one sniff and they'd

630
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: be like, has this woman showered in a week? Uh?

631
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: In the in the bowels of a comedy club. Um? Wow?

632
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: So I mean I have I have one million questions,

633
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: but you know it feels very Weinstein and Epstein adjacent. Yes,

634
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I hate that I just named off Jews. I'm like,

635
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: as one Um, but you know, it's like, this stuff

636
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: happens not just in Hollywood, and I think sometimes people

637
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: forget that, right, Um. But also I just want to

638
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: ask you. I don't know if you ever witnessed this,

639
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: but I did hear a conspiracy theory here we go,

640
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: you know what? That used to be funny, but nowadays

641
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: the conspiracy there is hit more times than not. I

642
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: think so, right, but that there was a whole tunnel

643
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: system underneath the Playboy mansion where they would sneak underage

644
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: girls to other people's mansions. Well, the what's really interesting

645
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: about that question is that there is an episode about

646
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: these mini mansions. So Hugh Hefner had a group of

647
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: friends that had mansion systems of their own, and so

648
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: there have been rumors for a long time that, you

649
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: know that these women that would be picked up at

650
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: the mansion maybe would end up with one of the

651
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: friends at another mini mansion in the Hollywood Hills. I

652
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: have heard about the tunnels as well, So, UM, I

653
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: guess I would. Nothing would surprise me at this point, nothing, right, Well,

654
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: did you ever see Epstein there? I didn't know, And

655
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: again I was so young that I don't know if

656
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: I would even recognize him. Um, yeah, I wouldn't have

657
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: remembered that, right, right, right. You know, it's so interesting

658
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: thinking about all the different types of predators who have

659
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: come forward, and of course with the case of Epstein,

660
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: he had a right hand man or in this case,

661
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: a right hand woman, Galaine Maxwell. Did you feel like

662
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: there was that type of figure at the Playboy house?

663
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: There were so Madeline who was one of the photographers.

664
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Of course Mary who was the house mother, UM and

665
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: his his assistant. I guess you would call call her

666
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: and she was in The Secret she was in The

667
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Girl's next Door as well. She's featured prominently in those shows.

668
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: Um and he had different women that were within the

669
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: organization that worked in publicity. I'm at a lot of

670
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the women. When I did both modeling, the modeling agency

671
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: was run by a woman, and UM, when I did

672
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: the cover the you know, a lot of the people

673
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: that I talked to within the organization that I did

674
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: the deal with to do the cover, we're women. So

675
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: there were a lot of women within the organization that

676
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: we're dealing directly with playmates or covers or the bunnies,

677
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: the Bunny system. You know, there were bunny mothers um so,

678
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: so yeah they were. There were multiple women um involved

679
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: in the organization at different levels. It's because as gross

680
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: as these guys in these situations are, they're not They're grows,

681
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: they're not morons. They know that they need this bridge.

682
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Right If a woman sees another woman and so okay

683
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: we stick together, I know we're okay. So they think, okay,

684
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: that I'm safe here, that this isn't what I think

685
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: it might be, or or at least removes it a

686
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: few levels. And it's the same thing with obviously, I

687
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you know anybody, I'm not asking you

688
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: to name anybody, but a lot of people I think

689
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: these situations are always like, oh, there's this rich dude

690
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: and he's got his buddies with him. But there are

691
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: famous people that partake of this stuff, as we've heard

692
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: rumors from the Epstein things and stuff like that, or

693
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: more so. And and part of that is also you know,

694
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: you walk into a party and you think, oh, I'm

695
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: cool because this person is here, so it's safe here.

696
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: But it's just another thing to lure you in and

697
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: make you feel like, okay, this is okay, and once

698
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: you're in far enough that's really interesting. Yeah, that is

699
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: the beauty of the mansion. And going to the mansion,

700
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: going to all those parties is because there were celebrities

701
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: there and it was considered a cool thing to do

702
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and you were considered like a I guess an insider,

703
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: hit person or celebrity if you're going to the mansion

704
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: and so um, so there is that lure and then

705
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: you let your guard down, and in some cases, some

706
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: of these women report being drugged. Um, you know, there's

707
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: a lot of drinking going on, and you know, and

708
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: suddenly some of these young, vulnerable women are targeted. And

709
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: what I love about the Secrets of Playboy is that

710
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: they are naming names and they are talking about, you know,

711
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: the people that we're helping to prop up um, you know,

712
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner and the entire organization and and the show

713
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: just blows my mind because there were so many details

714
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: and so many stories that kind of corroborated each other. Fascinating.

715
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Do you think anyone will go to jail after this errors?

716
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, that would require a couple

717
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: of things. You know, people would need to come forward

718
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: and um, in some cases, maybe a file a report.

719
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Some of these these alleged crimes took place many years ago.

720
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Of course, Hugh Heffner's dad, And you know, one of

721
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: the the episodes talks about the fact that Um, according

722
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: to people that worked for Playboy, both the l a

723
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: p D and Beverly Hills Police Department officers worked part

724
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: time as security at the mansion, and so there was

725
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: a connection there. So this is like, that's fascinating. It's yeah,

726
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: it's really vast eating. I encourage it. If you haven't

727
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: seen the show yet, you can download. You can binge

728
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: all ten episodes before Monday when we do the the

729
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: after specials, because I think, you know, it's some of

730
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: these stories are so detailed and interesting, and like I said,

731
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these women and men that worked for

732
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: him were naming names UM and talking about these these

733
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: really troubling aspects of the organization. It's funny, because it's

734
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: not funny at all. Um. I remember there was one

735
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl where I went to a very famous director's

736
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: house and you know what, I'm not on the documentary,

737
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: so I'm not naming names, but you know, I was

738
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: there and there were a lot of girls there, so

739
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I felt safe, and yet I was still drugged and

740
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't even drink alcohol. They put J H B

741
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: in the water. Wow, And suddenly I couldn't pick my

742
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: head up and I was like what. I don't know

743
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: what's going on. And then my friend was like, we

744
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: should go, and I was like what she said, sometimes

745
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: they put g in the water so people have more fun.

746
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, first of all, the fact that

747
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: you know that and we're still here and came in

748
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: the first place. I'm not friends with that person anymore.

749
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: Nice of them to tell you to leave, but never

750
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: been drugged in the first place. Um, And and you know,

751
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: not to make this about me, but to make this

752
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: about me, I don't know Lisa, you don't know me,

753
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: but this is what I do. There is this one

754
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: time on a TV set. I was shooting a show

755
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: and the lead actor, who's again very famous you know him, UM,

756
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: had his body double not naming names, not on the documentary,

757
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: but you can watch the show on Monday. Any so, UM,

758
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: he had his body double follow me to my trailer

759
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: and give me a card with his personal cell phone

760
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: and he said, UM, he really wants to help you.

761
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: Can you send him a body shot and text I

762
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: met this number and because I was just so cute

763
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: and look, I was never gonna do anything, right, So

764
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: I text him and he goes, hey, this is my

765
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: personal cell phone number. Don't give this to anyone. And

766
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I said okay, and then he said, you know, um,

767
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: I can help send me over your body shot and

768
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: head shot and and you know, Lisa, as an actress,

769
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: no one's asking you for body shots, no one's asking

770
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: for bikini photos. You want to see your real like

771
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: your actual work, right right right right, and then and

772
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: then he and then he said, um, why don't you

773
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: come to my hotel? And he's staying at the Mandarin

774
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: And I never responded. I love the fact that he

775
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: said this body double like that guy was like, I

776
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: think I'm only your body double in the shot, like

777
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: doing your work. Yeah, he also sent me his number.

778
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: He's like, if you can send it to me to

779
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: why you know, why not you should have had your

780
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: body double Sanday for him. Yeah. At this point, it's

781
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: like if I send a photo of any Jewish woman,

782
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: they're like, that's leoh right, Um, so you said you

783
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: said you said that, you know, obviously you were you

784
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: were smart enough because you came from a good family.

785
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: And said, I mean, you must look at this, look

786
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: back at this now and and be like, thank God

787
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: that I have the family that I like. You just

788
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: want to go home and hug everybody and just be

789
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: like I was in that. I was basically on the doorstep,

790
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: maybe even in the front door of all of that.

791
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: But because of who I am, I realized, and I

792
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: turned around and got out. And it wasn't because I

793
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: was smarter than them. Let's let's be really clear. It

794
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: was just literally that I had a really good dad

795
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: and had a very stable home life, and you know,

796
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: I was was young and dumb ones too, and I

797
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: was vulnerable. And not that they were dumb either, um,

798
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: but they I think, you know, the people that that

799
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: kind of went down that path were targeted. And when

800
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: you are targeted and you are away from home. A

801
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of them were from different states and even different countries, um,

802
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: somewhere from Canada. They they felt, um like this was

803
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: a place to live because you know, the mansion provided

804
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: them a place to live, not only a place to live,

805
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: a mansion in Beverly Hills, a mansion in Beverly Hills

806
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: and a huge potential career. And so I could definitely

807
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: see how that could happen too. It could have happened,

808
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: like I always said, could have happened to me. It

809
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: could have been me. So that that gives me a

810
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: lot of empathy when I hear the stories, and it

811
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: also makes me very willing to believe them because I

812
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: saw this kind of thing happening. Did they ever ask

813
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you to live in the house? No, No they didn't.

814
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: They didn't. They asked me to pose for the magazine,

815
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: and I said, now they asked. You know, I was

816
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: invited to all the parties, and I stopped going after

817
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: a little while because I was uncomfortable after the the

818
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner kiss. How many pers Yeah, how many seafood towers?

819
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Would you say? We're present? Lots of seafood towers, Oh

820
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: my gosh. And remember this was the this is then

821
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: the eighties, Yeah, late eighties. Oh you know, I'm sure

822
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: there were all that that kind of eighties swank food there.

823
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was very easily impressed because I grew

824
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: up on you know, pizza hut and Twinkies, So I'm

825
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: still impressed by a sea food tower. That's true. I

826
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: could just see it. They're like, would you like to

827
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: live here? Would you like to stay over tonight? And

828
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: you're like, Guys, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm

829
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: just here for the buffet. I would be I'd be like, yeah,

830
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: I'd love to live here. How much stage time can

831
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I get for comedy? Yeah, for comedy. I'm I'm not

832
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: a stripper. I'm an emotional stripper. There's a difference. Yeah,

833
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you a joke for a dollar. Um um.

834
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And to what you said, Lisa, No,

835
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: it's not that, like it should not be inferred that

836
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: these people were You don't have to be stupid or like.

837
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: That's what they do. They find people, they find the

838
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: right targets for this, and like we said before, they

839
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: build those bridges of quote unquote trust. So people think, Okay,

840
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so, it's not you don't have to be

841
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: stupid to fall for something like this because they're not

842
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: idiots and they know what they're doing. Sadly, they know

843
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: what they're doing and they're they're using that to their advantage.

844
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: Part of the interesting, uh aspect for me of interviewing

845
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: these women is to find out why they did this,

846
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, to ask them directly and to ask those

847
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: follow up questions that people have Since the series debuted,

848
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people said on social media, what they

849
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: should have known what they were getting into? How would

850
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: they not know? You know, they got what they wanted.

851
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: They were a star on a reality show where they

852
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: got a you know, a centrifold. But but it's really

853
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: important to let them answer those questions and let them

854
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: describe how they arrived to the mansion to begin with

855
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: and what that experience is. You know, what that experience

856
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: was to them. And I think that it's it's it's

857
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: worthy of our time to at least give them the

858
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: respect and dignity to listen to their stories and then

859
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: we can process it, believe it if we want. I

860
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: believe the women, and I think that most of the

861
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: viewers that have watched the episodes believe the women as well.

862
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: And this is just something I've been thinking about. Did

863
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: you notice any sort of common theme with religion or

864
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: lack there other than the house? Oh gosh, um, are

865
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: you talking about the women's stories, like where they came from? Well? Yeah,

866
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: if just anyone was, you know, going to church on

867
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: Sunday's or didn't hold a special service in the yard

868
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: every Sunday. You know, you did not know there was

869
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, when when I was there. Of course, I

870
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: was just there for the screening nights, so I didn't

871
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: see anything like that. But but one interesting aspect that

872
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of touching on is that some of the

873
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: women came from very religious backgrounds originally and again, fascinating

874
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: part of the story. How did you get from there

875
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: to hear? You know? And that's again, uh, something that

876
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to listen to those stories.

877
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: It's relatable, more relatable than you would think. Yeah. I mean,

878
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: I can just imagine women in Easter bunny costumes right

879
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: to your point of having a strong dad and and

880
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, people are it's just this goes out to

881
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: everybody and it's like and it's not a p s A.

882
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: But I guess it is. It's what I what I

883
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: do because I have four kids and three of them

884
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: are girls and they're young. But what it is is,

885
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when my first daughter was born,

886
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,479
Speaker 1: somebody came out, you know, somebody nice. It wasn't anything weird,

887
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: but somebody was like, oh and they brought a president, Like, oh,

888
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: can I have a hug, and I was like, no,

889
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: I was like, we're not gonna She's not gonna do that.

890
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: She's not going to think that she has to give

891
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: you a hug because she got a present, so right

892
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: off the bat. And when I'm with my kids, I'm

893
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: never like, oh, you want dessert, okay, can here give me?

894
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Kids Like, it's none of that ship. It's you get

895
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: what you get and you that you deserve and there's

896
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: never a trade off for it. And I think no,

897
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: I was gonna interrupt you rudely because again, you're making

898
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: so many great points Lean and Dmitri, so many great points,

899
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: but we're recording this are this This notion of you know,

900
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: of women being vulnerable if they don't have a great

901
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: relationship with their father is just I mean, it's a

902
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: universe truth. And I'm sorry, but it's so important for

903
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: dad's to be um cognizant of how important it is,

904
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: because you are you are a role model for your daughter,

905
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: and you are setting the table for every single relationship

906
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: she has moving forward in her life. And if she

907
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: views you as something that she can trust, who is loyal,

908
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: who supports her, who um who encourages her to get

909
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: an education, to be strong, to have her own opinions.

910
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: Then those are the kinds of men she's going to

911
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: to look for someday. So my daughters will grow up

912
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, this guy is not sarcastic enough. Yeah,

913
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: this explains a lot about like an idiot. Dmitri, your

914
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: daughter is gonna end up marrying a comedian. I'm so sorry. No, No,

915
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: that's part of the stuff I'm instilling. I'm like, remember,

916
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: just because they're funny doesn't mean you have to kiss him.

917
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way. They have to too.

918
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: This is what I keep telling the men who meet

919
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: me and like, just because I'm funny, it doesn't mean

920
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: you have to kiss me. Um wow. Okay, well, Lisa,

921
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. And you know,

922
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: before we go, if you have any final thoughts or

923
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: anything you want people to know about the book, the series, anything,

924
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: we'd love to hear it. I just you know, I

925
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: really encourage people, like I said, to to download it

926
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: and to stream or or however you're going to watch

927
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: your your your shows, please watch the previous time episodes

928
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: and then you know, jump in on on Monday night,

929
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: because um, I think it's important again to to be

930
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: open minded when we hear these stories. And it's not

931
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: just these stories that we're hearing on secrets of Playboy,

932
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: it's all women's stories that you know, these women being

933
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: courageous enough to come forward. Now it's important for us

934
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: to at least be open minded enough to watch these stories,

935
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: to listen to what they have to say and to

936
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: process it. And UM, kudos to the women that came forward.

937
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: They are my heroes. Mm hmm. I love your story

938
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: and I love I love that they're making a TV

939
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: series out of your story, so I would look forward

940
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: to seeing that. Thank you, I'll be back. We'll talk

941
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: about that next. Can't wait. Lisa, thank you so much

942
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: for joining us and still waiting on your beauty secrets.

943
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: If that means I have to take a time machine

944
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: and choose different parents, I will. Um, thank you so

945
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: much for joining us. And can you tell people where

946
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: they can find you on the internet? Yes, UM, you

947
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: can find I'm a Twitter girl, that's my jams, so

948
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: you can go to at the number four Lisa Guerrero

949
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: g u E R R E r oh. I'm also

950
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: on Instagram and um all the places as well as

951
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: Lisa Guerrero dot Com. Amazing. Thank you so much for

952
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: joining us on Real Time Crime, and we're going to

953
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: be tuning in Monday night. We're so excited. Thanks Leah,

954
00:51:44,920 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: Thanks Dmitri, thank you. Yeah. Oh boy, all right, she

955
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Not only was she fantastic, but she made

956
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: me feel very insecure about my wardrobe, hair and makeup

957
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: choices for today and lighting. So we we both took

958
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: a job to the face. When she's like, yeah, no,

959
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm fifty seven, I'm like, it's like, what, Yeah, you

960
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: look twenty one. I mean, she's stunning, and she's obviously

961
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: highly intelligent and professional, and I'm very excited to watch

962
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: her host these episodes. I can't wait to watch. Yeah. No,

963
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's gonna be interesting. And and I haven't

964
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: seen um you know, I haven't seen. I'm gonna catch

965
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: up with the ones I haven't seen and before um

966
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: she hosts those things starting on Monday night, so just

967
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: to be caught up, Like she's got a lot of

968
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: TV to watch. No, no, it's not that I haven't

969
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: seen any of the time. It's just that I haven't

970
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: seen all time. But it's you know, it's well, you

971
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: have to understand. This is something that I can't just

972
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, pop on secrets of Playboy in the middle

973
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: of the day or at dinner time because I have

974
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: kids around, so I have to watch this, you know, right,

975
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: and and they can watch it and not have to

976
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: give you a right that's right. Nobody has to give

977
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: me a hug. I think everybody knows that, you know what.

978
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: It's so interesting when you said that, it really triggered

979
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: me because because I think that a lot of society

980
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: is very transactional, and you're teaching your daughters not to

981
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: be transactual It's like, if I give you this, you

982
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: get that, and it's not based on any sort of

983
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: reward system or yeah you didn't. You're not making love

984
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: a business. Yeah. And by the way, I'm teaching my

985
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: son that as well. For for two sides of it,

986
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: because one, we shouldn't act like like boys are never

987
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: the victim of something like that. They are. But the

988
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: other thing is, I don't you know, I think he's

989
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: he's got an advantage because he has three sisters. Um

990
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: that he's going to understand, you know, how women feel

991
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: and how they think and how they should be treated.

992
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: But um, I think that's important for him to see

993
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: as well. But why do I feel like you have

994
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: twenty five children? I do? I have kids? Yeah, has

995
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: been busy times. Oh boy, all right to me, Tri,

996
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: Where can everyone find you on the internet? Everyone? Unfortunately,

997
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: much to your dismay, I'm simply at at Dmitri Pappis

998
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: on Instagram, um, and that's the best. And I'm at

999
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Leo Lamar l e H L A M A R

1000
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: R on all the things except TikTok, where I'm Leo

1001
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: Lamar with five hours because don't ask me. Don't ask

1002
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: me why. I don't know. We'll circle back on it

1003
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll go back on it. I mean, I

1004
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I'll ever find the answer. No, But

1005
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: you know what, now that you've spelled it out, that

1006
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: makes a good point. D E M E T R

1007
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: I P A P P A Y S. And I'll

1008
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: say that because I keep getting invoices for in my

1009
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: email from some gym in Florida, and it's like, Hey,

1010
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look, I got this this drink at

1011
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: the bar at the gym today. And I don't live

1012
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: in Florida. I don't go to the gym, and I

1013
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: don't care you guys. I'm Jim Shakes from the gym.

1014
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: But so the point is, you know, it's it's when

1015
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: you spell something wrong, you go down a whole of

1016
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. So that guy is not gonna pay

1017
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: his dues because they keep coming to me. Wow, Well,

1018
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: now that guy is gonna get fat and it's your fault.

1019
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: What do you gonna do? Well, he's in Florida, so

1020
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: he's probably already fat. Allegedly. Thank you. Yes, if you

1021
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: want to call in and leave a voicemail, please do.

1022
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: If it's about a crime you think we should look into.

1023
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: If it's about an update from an old case that

1024
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: we for some reason don't have, let us know. We

1025
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: like shining light on weird mysteries that I have been

1026
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: unsolved and completing the circle and closing it up, whether

1027
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: it's a circle or noval. I really want to stop

1028
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: with this whole circle analogy because it's not really doing

1029
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: anything for anyone. I think it will end when the

1030
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: podcast ends. We won't carry into the next one. And

1031
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: if you want to just leave a voicemail and tell

1032
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: Leah she's doing great, and then I should shut up.

1033
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: Then you know, I go for it. I can take

1034
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: that too, Yeah, and you can do that at eight

1035
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: six s crime. That's eight six six to any one,

1036
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: crame eight six six to annyone crime eight six six

1037
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: two and two seven four six three. That's the first

1038
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: time you had to dance by yourself, and now you

1039
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: could have danced. I could have, but I'm not going to.

1040
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: Dimitri As is like, everyone's watching. Alright, Stay safe, y'all.

1041
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week, Love you, bye bye. It's

1042
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: real time crop, it's real time gra I mean, is

1043
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: it actually real time crime or solving anything or is

1044
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: that just the thing we say. It's a thing we say,

1045
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, See you next week for more real

1046
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: time crime, only on iHeart Radio.