1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: and Buck podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: This week, we approach one month since the devastating wildfires 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: struck Maui. Fires engulfed the town of Lehina. One hundred 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and fifteen people lost their lives and at least three 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five people are still missing. Tens of 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: billions of dollars worth of damage has been done, making 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: this the deadliest wildfire the US has seen in more 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: than one hundred years. Still, there's a lot to be 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: uncovered on the exact cause of the fires, but all 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: signs are pointing to mismanagement of the power lines by 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Hawaiian Electric. This brings up a number of questions related 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: to the safety and security of our entire electrical grid. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: So today I'm joined by an expert, Tommy Waller. He 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: is a retired Marine Reserve lieutenant colonel with two decades 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: of experience, and he's the current president and CEO of 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: the Center for Security Policy. Tommy, thank you so much 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: for joining the podcast. I'm so glad you're with me today. 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: Sure, Twitter, thank you for having me on. 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the story with Maui. I think it goes beyond 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: just Maui, but what we're looking at in Maui is 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: pretty devastating. I actually, just before I sat down here 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: to talk to you today, I was watching a video 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: from some residents there saying, we're just done. We're just 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: done with the United States. We're done with the United 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: States government. We feel like we've been totally abandoned because 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: not only did this happen with the electric grid, and 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: they're not getting answers, they're not really being served by 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: the US government right now. Either. What do you from 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: from your experience level, what do you see as having 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: happened on the ground there, and could it have been prevented? 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: Well, Tutor, it's again it's going to have to be investigated. 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: But just the cursory investigation that I did just looking 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: at video from both the local news media social media, 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: you know, you witnessed in numerous locations electric grid infrastructure 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: causing fires. You know, transmission lines on the ground in 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: the grass, flames abounding from those transmission lines. In some cases, 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: there were video of substations that were arcing and sparking, 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: and so you know, it looks a lot like the 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: fire came from the electric grid, and when you discussed 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: tootor the mismanagement of it, you know, the argument that 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: I most recently made in the Wall Street Journal is 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: that the people who would know the best if it 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: were mismanaged would be the actual employees within the electric 45 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: utility industry, and right now they don't have any whistleblow 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: or protection to be able to speak out to the 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: American people about issues of safety or security that they see. 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: And that's something that I think we need to change 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: in this country. 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: And you say that because in the past, folks have 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: spoken out and they've lost their jobs. So you feel 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: like there could be potentially this culture of fear. If 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: I say something, I might not have a job. But 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: if I don't say something, then this could potentially be catastrophic. 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: And we're seeing this. I mean, we saw this in 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: California and now we've seen this in Hawaii. But this 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: goes beyond just the danger. I mean, we also saw 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: this in Texas. They said that that was mismanagement as well. 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: And so you go from fire to freeze in the 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: middle of an ice storm. I mean, this is all 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: pretty catastrophic that could happen if something else, If this 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: continues right to you. 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Just mentioned the real world examples. So California, right A. 64 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: PG and E had an employee named Todd hern who 65 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: he tried to blow the whistle. He tried to warn 66 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: the company about the prospect that their technology that they 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: were installing on the grid could cause fires, and he 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: was fired, He lost his job, and you know, a 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: year later, the campfire took the lives of eighty four 70 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: American citizens and PG and E was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: Right And so that's where I think, you know, the 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: whistleblower protection would go a long way for issues of 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: safety like that. 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: But well, let me ask you, if they were I mean, 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: knowing that they were convicted of involuntary manslaughter, why wouldn't 76 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the companies also want this protection. Why wouldn't they want 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: the people out there on the lines to be able 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: to come out and say, hey, I want you as 79 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: a company to be protected as well as. 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: The citizens to do That's a great question. 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: In fact, that's the sort of question that our Congress 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: should be pulling these CEOs in and questioning them and 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: directly asking them those questions. You know, oftentimes, when you 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: have very powerful industries that have what's called regulatory capture. 85 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: In other words, they really affect the government's ability to 86 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: regulate them. There is this notion that they can write 87 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: the rules right, and with the electric power industry, in 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: many ways that is the case. The industry makes its 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: own rules, and it often has the ability to break 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: those rules, and the American public doesn't even get to 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: know which companies break them. And I could explain all that, 92 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: but the whistleblowers inside the industry would be a huge 93 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: help so be able to you know, change that culture, 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: that culture that you know, they really think that they 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 3: can get away with writing their own rules and breaking 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: them at will. 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: I think that we need to understand that because it's 98 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: not just that we see these these catastrophic events. We 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: see these increases in prices that nobody seems to be 100 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: able to control. I mean, as most of our listeners know, 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm here in Michigan. Michigan has some of the highest 102 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: energy costs in the nation. We just recently had a storm, 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: a storm compared to the hurricane that Florida had. After 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: the storm, we had power out for some homes for 105 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: five full days. Now in the middle of summer, you know, 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: we don't get as hot as someplace like you know, Arizona, 107 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: but it was a hot week, we have no power. 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: We've also had this same experience in the middle of winter. 109 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: So how do you start holding these companies accountable because 110 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: it seems like in Michigan it's just the wild wild West. 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: You can't do anything when the power goes out. You 112 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: have no control over these companies when they just had 113 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: to raise your. 114 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: Rates, right, So to do the number one thing is transparency, right, 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: So sunshine is the best disinfectant, and so that in fact, 116 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: that's a lot of what we do at the Center 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: for Security Policy. We have a Secure the Grid Coalition 118 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: nationwide that works on trying to get the industry to 119 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: secure its infrastructure and to expose when there are bad actors. 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: Right. 121 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: I mean, it might be kind of mind blowing for 122 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: you to know this, but right now, the industry rights 123 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: its own standards, and if they violate the critical Infrastructure 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: Protection standards that they write, the public doesn't get to 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: know the names of the violators. And so you know, 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: our coalition filed freedom of information a request two hundred 127 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: and fifty five of them for fifteen hundred company names, 128 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: and the federal government denied. 129 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: Those Foier requests. In fact, we're in. 130 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: The middle of a lawsuit right now with the federal 131 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: government over this issue of transparency. That's the number one 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: thing we can do to change that culture is just 133 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: to be able to shine some light, some sunlight in it. 134 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: When we talk about transparent and see, I think there's 135 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: something bigger at play here, because there are some of 136 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: us who say, what if the entire grid goes down? 137 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: What if a bad actor comes in from another country 138 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: and takes the entire grid down. This is something that 139 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people may not realize that Trump administration 140 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: was working hard to fight against because they had said, Okay, 141 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: we're not going to bring in transformers from adversarial countries. 142 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: They had found out that we were getting a lot 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: of these transformers from the Chinese. The Chinese also had 144 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: some things placed on these transformers that you know, who knows. 145 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: Could they have shut off our power, could they control 146 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: our power? These are all incredibly scary thoughts when you 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: think about, well, well, if the Chinese want to take 148 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: over the United States, what's the best way to do that? 149 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Cripple us with no power? And then suddenly you can 150 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: just cross into our borders and take us over. What 151 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: did the how did the Biden administration change those safety standards? 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Tutor, you know you mentioned in China this 153 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: is absolutely in their way fighting doctrine, right. It goes 154 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: all the way back to Sun too. You think about 155 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: you know, what he said is the supreme art of 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: war is to subdue your enemy without fighting, and that's 157 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: exactly what it would be if they took down the grid. 158 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: Fast forward to nineteen ninety nine with a book Unrestricted Warfare, 159 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: written by two People's Liberation Army colonels. You know, if 160 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: your viewers and listeners just download Unrestricted Warfare PDF offline, 161 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 3: they will see on page one forty four a whole 162 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: scenario that lays out when two developed countries go to war, 163 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: how one attacks the civilian networks, including electricity to grind 164 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: to a halt. The other and unfortunately, the Biden administration 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: in many ways open the floodgates back up to investments 166 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: in China. You mentioned before, Tutor, that the Trump administration 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: had passed an executive order to May one, twenty twenty, 168 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: President Trump declared a grid security emergency after they found 169 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: a hardware back door on a massive Chinese transformer at 170 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: that time that were about three hundred in our grid, 171 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: and on the first day the Biden administration, they suspended 172 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: that executive order, and now we have about four hundred 173 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: and twenty eight Chinese transformers in our grid. 174 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: But Tutor, could possibly what could possibly have been their 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: reason for them to change that order, because we are 176 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: talking about national security, and when we talk about national 177 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: security like this, it gets me really fired up because 178 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: I think, why don't we know this? I mean, you 179 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: talk about transparency on the grid, but why do we 180 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: not hear Honestly, I have to say, on the opponent's side, 181 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: on the Republican side, why aren't they coming out and 182 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: saying this is a massive danger to national security? But 183 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm hearing. 184 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: This, Tutor. It's a bipartisan failure. Both sides of the 185 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: isle have failed. 186 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 3: And there have been good things on both sides of 187 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: the President Obama passed an executive order that would attempt 188 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: to secure our grid against solar weather so like the 189 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: natural form of electromenetic pulse. President Trump passed an executive 190 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 3: order to secure the grid against nuclear electromentic pulse. Those 191 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: are good things, but by and large, and it's really 192 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: the fault of both the administrative state in government, but 193 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: it's also the fault of the industry and how they 194 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: create their own rules to be able to just avoid 195 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: any sort of regulation. And so it's truly bipartisan and 196 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 3: how we've failed and it's going to have to be 197 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: bipartisan in how we turn this around us succeed in 198 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: securing this infrastructure we can't live without. 199 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 200 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I see a new ad has 201 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: come out from the Biden administration in the last couple 202 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: of days. It's going to be playing and I think 203 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: five or six different states, and one of the things 204 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: that it says in the ad is that Joe Biden 205 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: has increased our energy independence. I've got to laugh when 206 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: I see that, because I think, who's going to hold 207 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: them accountable to the fact that that is the exact 208 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: opposite of what he's done. It's not just that we 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: have and a crisis with the grid, but we don't 210 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: have the supply. We are currently talking about shutting off 211 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: our own supply of energy. I mean, Governor Whitmer here 212 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan had a What's Next press 213 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: conference last week, which is like something new, we've never 214 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: heard of it. Nobody could ask questions, so we don't 215 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: even know what it was because she just walked off afterward. 216 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: But part of What's next is one hundred percent clean 217 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: energy in the state of Michigan. How is that secure? 218 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: We don't even know what clean energy is. We don't 219 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: even know what How many sources could you possibly get 220 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan to be able to power 221 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: the entire state. How much of a national security issue 222 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: is that? 223 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: So, Tutor, what you're articulating right now is a whole 224 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: new threat vector for the grid. So traditionally the national 225 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: security community that we're focused on protecting this infrastructure, we 226 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: saw four main threats. You had physical sabotage, cyber attack, 227 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: You had natural you know, whether it was in terrestrial 228 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: weather like you mentioned hurricanes or solar weather like the 229 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: natural form of EMP, and nuclear EMP. 230 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: Those were the four threat vectors. We now have six. 231 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: The fifth is the supply chain, which we just talked 232 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: about in one example with the Chinese transformers. And the 233 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: sixth one is government policies. Unreasonable government policies just like 234 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: you mentioned this country may suffer brownouts and blackouts because 235 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: of its own policies before. 236 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: You've seen it in California. 237 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: That's right, exactly. 238 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: And so it's just it's unreasonable to think that you 239 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: can attach all these new ev charging stations, electric vehicles 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: to a grid that can't even produce enough power, while 241 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: at the same time you're shutting down baseload power generators 242 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 3: like fossil fuel coal, nuclear, You know, Tutor. The thing is, 243 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: we actually do have the ability in this country to 244 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: produce clean energy, and we've already mined the components we 245 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: need to do it. And this is a policy priority 246 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: we've been promoting for years, which is to take the 247 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: spent nuclear fuel from our nuclear reactors and recycle it. 248 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: You know, we could power the United States of America 249 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: for two hundred and fifty years with clean, carbon free 250 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: energy from just the spent nuclear fuel from the light 251 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: water reactors we. 252 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: Have in this country. 253 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: But you say a word there that scares people to death, 254 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: and they just can't get past that word nuclear. 255 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: Well, there's a reason for that, toot. 256 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: That's an information operation that our adversaries have levied against 257 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: the United States for years. 258 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you look at other countries. 259 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: China is investing heavily in nuclear and so you know 260 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: that the nuclear industry, it really truly has the best 261 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: safety record of any industry in the United States. So 262 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: there's a ton of amazing potential with nuclear power if 263 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: we were to be wise enough to embrace it. And 264 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: so that's again it's a policy priority. You know, Jennifer Granholm, 265 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: the Secretary of Energy, talked about these earthshot initiatives, right, 266 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: these clean carbon free energy initiatives. Twice, Tutor I personally 267 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: briefed Secretary Granholm and her advisory board on the need 268 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: to look at spent nuclear fuel as an earthshot idea. 269 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: I haven't really seen much indication that they're taking it seriously. 270 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: No, we keep hearing more solar farms. They're just going 271 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: to take over farmland put out solar panels. They're going 272 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: to start putting it. I mean, there's been the argument 273 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: for years as to whether or not they want to 274 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: put the wind the wind turbines out into the lake, 275 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: into the Great Lakes here, and I know they have 276 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: them in the ocean. I know there's been some discussion 277 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: as to whether or not that has affected the whales. 278 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: The wildlife and the oceans. A lot of people have 279 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: been fighting against putting them in the Great Lakes. They 280 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to have a bunch of those windmills 281 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: out there in our Great Lakes to look out there 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: and see that. But also, what is the impact of 283 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: the clean energy? And that's the answer we don't ever 284 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: get again, transparency, We don't ever hear. Now we're suddenly 285 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: being told, well, when the rain hits the solar panel, 286 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: there is something that comes off, goes into the ground. 287 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: It does affect the groundwater. What is the truth about 288 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: whether or not this is clean? Let me talk about 289 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: EV's for a second, because right now we're in the 290 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: midst of potentially having a massive strike for the auto industry. 291 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: We're looking at the UAW saying they're demanding this, they're 292 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: demanding that, But they're also saying, if you listen to 293 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: what this UAW boss is saying, he's out there saying 294 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: this EV vehicle production has severely impacted our lives, our careers, 295 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: because when you're assembling a vehicle with no engine, with 296 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: no gas powered engine, there's a lot fewer jobs there. 297 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: There is a fewer there's a lot fewer suppliers there 298 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: as well. So we're talking about severely impacting Michigan alone, 299 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: but the entire country because our automotive industry is just 300 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: hanging by a thread. I mean, I think it was 301 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: four billion dollars that Ford last loss last year on 302 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: the EV vehicles. People aren't buying them. As you said, 303 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: we can't possibly put enough chargers on our grid to 304 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: actually have everybody have an EV vehicle, and it's costing 305 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: us critical manufacturing jobs and putting us behind other countries 306 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: when it comes to being able to be even mobile. 307 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, what does that mean? What? How do we 308 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: get to the point where the government mandates what we're 309 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: going to purchase and the consumer is still going, yeah, 310 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm not interested. 311 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: Well too, That's exactly the problem is that the government 312 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: is mandating something that's that's unreasonable. Right, So, and I 313 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: realized to On one hand, I'm saying that the government 314 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: should should better regulate the electric utility industry, right, And 315 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: on the other hand, I'm saying that the government shouldn't 316 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: be mandating certain things. But what you're talking about is 317 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: the market, right, Let the people decide what works for them. Look, 318 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: if if they want to go on a long trip 319 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: and they want to go sit at an EV charging 320 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: station for a couple of hours. 321 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: Every couple of hours. Hey, hey, I think about it. 322 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: I honestly think about We used to travel. My in 323 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: laws live in Kentucky, so when the girls were a little well, 324 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, the trip for us is about six hours, 325 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: but when the kids were little, they were you know, 326 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: you have babies that need to have their diapers changed 327 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: and bottles and everything, and it was just taken extra 328 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: two hours to get there with little kids, and you're like, 329 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: oh gosh, this is such a nightmare trip. I think 330 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: about what it would be like if we had to 331 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: actually stop halfway through and wait an hour for the 332 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: and you might be waiting longer because I think what 333 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: people don't always understand is that these chargers that you 334 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: stop at, they're not necessarily these speedy fast chargers that 335 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: after fifteen minutes you're going to have a fully charged car. 336 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: You could be waiting hours just to be able to 337 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: make it through the end of your trip. 338 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah too, do you know exactly? 339 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: We need to think about what is reasonable and again 340 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: let the consumer decide if the consumer wants that to 341 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: be part of their life and part of their lifestyle. 342 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: That's fine. Look, I don't have anything against wind and solar. 343 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 3: In fact, at the household level with battery backup storage, 344 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: that's a great asset to have, right if the regular 345 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: grid goes down and you can generation. 346 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: It's also hard because the energy companies prevent you from 347 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: having a solar panel on your house. So this is 348 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: all like a big racket. You can't actually do that. 349 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: In many places, you can't. You're absolutely right to he 350 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: or that. That's that's that regulatory capture that we talked about. 351 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: But you know, when it comes to the ev situation, 352 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: what's really worrisome to me is not that there's you know, 353 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: people interested in producing or using electric vehicles, but it's 354 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: it's the government promoting certain things for an ideological reason 355 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: that don't That won't work right, So you think about 356 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 3: like the statements that have been made that you know, 357 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: by a certain year all US military vehicles are going 358 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: to be electric vehicles. I mean, the people making these 359 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 3: rules have not thought for a second about what it 360 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: would be like to have to depend on electric vehicle 361 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 3: in combat. I mean, it's absolutely irrational. And unfortunately, you 362 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: have big gigantic industries and bureaucrats and government that just 363 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 3: say sure thing, yes, yes, sir, yes ma'am, we'll do it. 364 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: And they're going to be people who suffer immensely because 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: of that. 366 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: They can't get kids from their neighborhood to school on 367 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: these electric buses. And you're going to put somebody out 368 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: in a war zone and say, Okay, let's hope that 369 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: this electric vehicle is going to get you out of 370 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: the war zone. It is outrageous. But you know, we've 371 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: seen the government do this. We've seen mandates before that 372 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: have severely affected the way the country is run and 373 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the national security of the country. And I'm just going 374 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: to go come out here and say it. The COVID 375 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate severely affected our military. We have lost a 376 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of military members. We lost a lot of folks 377 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: who were lifelong military folks that have all of that 378 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: experience gone. This is something we really don't talk about. 379 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: I think everybody is sort of afraid to go there. 380 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: But the vaccine mandate, a lot of people retired, a 381 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: lot of people left, a lot of that knowledge gone. 382 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: What kind of condition is our military in right now? 383 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm blessed that I didn't get court martialed. 384 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 3: I was in command at the time. I did as 385 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: much research as I could on the the vaccine itself, 386 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: on the legal nature of that mandate, and it would 387 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 3: it was unlawful for me to force my subordinates to 388 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 3: take any emergency use authorized product against their will. That 389 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 3: is a violation of the law, and I wouldn't do 390 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: it right. And so yeah, I mean a case in 391 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: point twenty years in the Marine Corps, and I retired 392 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: after I spent a year trying to be able to 393 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: continue serving. I mean, last spring, I brought my family 394 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: to a military installation to get a new ID. We 395 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: were barred access, We weren't allowed in. My son was 396 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 3: about to get his identification card. And when I found 397 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: out that they wouldn't let us on this base, where 398 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: I had worked for three years at the time, had 399 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: a top secret compunity clearance, I said, son, step away, 400 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: don't put your fingerprint on there. Because if they're not 401 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: going to allow me and my wife, who served as 402 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: a spouse for twenty years to enter an installation just 403 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: to go see the memorial for our fallen service members, 404 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 3: then the next generation of wall is not going to 405 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: be serving in uniform. 406 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: That is the destruction that's. 407 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: Been wrought upon the military by the people in charge 408 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 3: and Tudor, I'll just say I have it right here. 409 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: Since we're on the topic, If you want to know 410 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: the story of that vaccine mandate and what it did, 411 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 3: there's a book written by a courageous active duty officer, 412 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: Rob Green, defending the Constitution behind enemy lines, and that's 413 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: exactly the case with the vaccine medate. I know we 414 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: didn't start the conversation talking about that, but we could 415 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: probably do a whole other segment on just that topic. 416 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: It has been devastating to the military. 417 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: That's what I think people don't understand is that this 418 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: mandate was removed, but people didn't. People who were let go. 419 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean there were people that were actually let go 420 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: from their active duty positions, told you're not welcome here anymore. Essentially, 421 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: they were not brought back. They were not apologized too, 422 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: They did not get their benefits back. They lost everything. 423 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? 424 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: Many of them did. That's right. 425 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: There are people who were forced to attie you know, 426 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, were forced out, you know, six months before retirement. 427 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: The military was brutal about how they enforced In fact, 428 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: the United States Marine Corps was exceptionally brutal. 429 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: Tutor. 430 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: If someone were to refuse medical treatment and you had 431 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: to separate them from the military, the Uniform Code of 432 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: Military Justice the UCMJ, gives you a couple. 433 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: Of codes that you can use. 434 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: You can use refusing medical treatment or refusing inoculation. The 435 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: Marine Corps decided to use a misconduct code called commission 436 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: of a Serious offense, which is the same as would 437 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: be used for rape, theft, or any other terrible offense, 438 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 3: and that was designed specifically to enable them to strip 439 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: the honorable characterization of service, to strip the educational benefits 440 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: that that service member would get after their service. 441 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: The brutality of. 442 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: The enforcement of that mandate was incredible, and it was 443 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: designed specifically to do what it did. 444 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: Tutor. It was a litmus test. 445 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: You think about, it's black and white that it violation 446 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: of the law to force someone against their will in 447 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: the military to take an emergency use authorized drug or vaccine. 448 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: It was a litmus test for the officer Corps and 449 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: depending on how you look at it, we catastrophically failed, 450 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: or if you were the ones that wanted to shape 451 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: the force to do what you want them to do, 452 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 3: in violation of the law, then you succeeded beyond your 453 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: waileve streams. 454 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 455 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I saw an article just the 456 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: other day, and I see these things and then you 457 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: see them for a split second and they never return. 458 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: There's nobody that kind of expands on these stories. But 459 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: the story was that since the either since COVID or 460 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: the vaccine, one of the two, there has been an 461 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: uptick of heart issues in the military that is like 462 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: three hundred percent of myocarditis, heart attack, that kind of issue. 463 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have said they don't 464 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: feel comfortable within the information on this vaccine. We know 465 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: that the side effects have not been released. We haven't 466 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: been able to study what the pharmaceuticals, pharmaceutical companies have 467 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: all the data that they have on these vaccines. Do 468 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: you think that a change of administration would change the 469 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: mandate on this vaccine, would change the view from the 470 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: military on this vaccine. Would people be welcomed back and 471 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: if they were fully reinstated, would they take that. 472 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 3: So, Tutor, we started this conversation about the electric utility 473 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: industry and regulatory capture that's exactly what we have with 474 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical industry is regulatory capture. So a couple things 475 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: would need to happen with a new administration. One would 476 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: be to address that issue of regulatory capture, where the 477 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: pharmaceutical industry writes the rules for the rest of America's 478 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: health right. And then that have to be a serious 479 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: investigation of the sorts of crimes and cover ups that 480 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: have taken place. And that would be the same for 481 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: the military. The people at the very top that instant 482 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: these policies ought to be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted where 483 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: possible for the crimes that they committed against the subordinate 484 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: service members. I think that it's going to be difficult 485 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: for a lot of the people who were removed from 486 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: the military to want to come back, because, Tutor, you know, 487 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: just because Congress, you know, forced the military to stop 488 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: the mandate, they never fired any of the people who 489 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 3: were brutally enforcing it and breaking the law. And so 490 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: the moral injury, and look, Tutor, it's also there's a 491 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: moral injury on top of the physical injuries that we're seeing. 492 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: You know, I talk to service members who now tell 493 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: me they're like Tommy, I'm having difficult difficulty recruiting. 494 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: We can't seem to fill the ranks. 495 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: The people above me are telling me to go and 496 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: try to recruit the people we just kicked out for 497 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: the vaccine mandate. I took the mandate against my will, 498 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: and they're acting like it's. 499 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: No big deal, like you forced me to do this. 500 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: My whole family is depending on me, you know, to 501 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: take this thing I don't want to take for me 502 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: to keep my job, and now you act like it 503 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: never happened, right. I hear that oh, over and over 504 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 3: and over again. And so the moral injury is probably 505 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: even worse than the physical catastrophe that's happened because of 506 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: this mandate. 507 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: So I know these sound like two totally separate subjects, 508 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: but let me just ask you. We talk about this security, 509 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: the national security, the grid. You talked about how the 510 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: one of the first steps of warfare is something like 511 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: this where they would come in and they would try 512 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: to recap us in some way to be able to 513 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: take over, and that could be an EMP that could 514 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: be taking down the grid if they have this ability 515 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: to have these transformers that they have some sort of 516 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: control over. For all we know, they are controlling them 517 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: directly from China. They shut us down. They come right 518 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: across our border, they come in and they take us over. 519 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: Are we prepared? Is this military that has lost so 520 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: many people, that has a morale problem, that is struggling 521 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: to recruit. Is this military prepared for the next step, 522 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: and that is active warfare? 523 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: Tutor to answer your question about the military's preparedness in 524 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: the context of which you just asked, right, which was 525 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: the scenario where an adversary takes down the US electric grid. 526 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: The US military is absolutely unprepared for that. And I 527 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: tried to work. 528 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: This in uniform. In fact, I mean we were blessed. 529 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: Before mister Trump became president, we briefed him on nuclear 530 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: electromenetic pulse. He made a promise, he kept that promise 531 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 3: to address it. And then once the President passed that 532 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 3: executive order on EMP, there were some courageous generals in 533 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: the military that tried to aggressively pursue trying to protect 534 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: the infrastructure against it. And I was brought in as 535 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: a staff member to the US Air Force Electromenetic Defense 536 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: task Force founded by Lieutenant General Stephen cost and in 537 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: the end that task force no longer exists. General Cost 538 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: was forced to retire, and as best I can tell, 539 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: many of the recommendations made by the task force have 540 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: not been adopted by the US military, And so the 541 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: reality tutor is that if our grid goes down, the 542 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: US military members are going to starve and be in 543 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: the same boat as the rest of the United States, and. 544 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: We don't have to This is a fixable problem. It's 545 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: absolutely a fixable problem. 546 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 3: The military has protected its nuclear command and control against 547 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: a lot of these threats. It's the American people and 548 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: the rest of our bases, conventional bases that need to 549 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: be protected as well. 550 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: I think people don't understand when you say the grid 551 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: could go down what that means. You know, you always 552 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: see those I'm the last guy in the world type 553 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: of movies. There was one with Will Smith where they 554 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: He's the last guy in the world, and I think 555 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: it's so funny because in the trailer he's alone running 556 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: on a treadmill, and in my mind, I'm like, who's 557 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: running the power company house? He running on this He's 558 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: got nothing. You know, people don't understand there's no refrigeration, 559 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: there's no food, There's going to be mass chaos. I'm 560 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: not trying to be terrifying, but when we talk about 561 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: an EMP, I mean your cars stop, your your homes 562 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: have no power, your cell phones don't work, there's no communication, 563 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 1: is that right? 564 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: When it comes to nuclear electromenetic pulse totor, we know 565 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: that we'll have nationwide grid collapse. 566 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's a sure thing that that will happen. 567 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: In terms of cell phones, you know, automobiles, we don't 568 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: really know which ones. 569 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: Would be affected and which ones won't. 570 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: But the but the reality is if if you have 571 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: grid collapse and the grid's not. 572 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: Working, eventually you don't charge your phone. 573 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: Right exactly, And so that's that and again it's a 574 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: it's a fixable problem. There are companies that have developed 575 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: technologies that can that can protect against electromenetic pulse right, 576 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: and and so what we really need to do is 577 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: we just need the American people to wake up to 578 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: what you just said to you. 579 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: This is this is scary and it's real. 580 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: And in fact, we're blessed now that there's a film 581 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: that was just launched at the beginning of this year. 582 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Called Grid Down, Power Up. 583 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: It's a documentary produced by a gentleman named David Tye 584 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: and narrated by Dennis Quaid. And so grid downpower up 585 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: dot Com is the website and people can watch a 586 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: film that will educate them about this topic, and then 587 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: the neat thing is on that website. We've created the 588 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: opportunity for people to actually get involved in the effort 589 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: to convince their policymakers to protect this critical infrastructure. 590 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you coming on today. So it's been 591 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: very interesting to me because I really think that no 592 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: matter what side of the aisle you're on. First of all, 593 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: you can see where there's failures on both sides of 594 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: the aisle, and no matter what side of the aisle 595 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: you're on, you have to look at this and say, 596 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: this is critical to my life, This is critical to 597 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: my future, to my children's future. Whether it is national 598 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: security from the military standpoint or from the electric grid standpoint, 599 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: we all really need to get involved. And I just 600 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you your willingness to come here and talk to 601 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: us today. 602 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: Sure, thank to thank you for having me on. 603 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, thank you and thank you all for joining 604 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast today. As always, for 605 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: this episode and others, you can check out tutordixonpodcast dot com. 606 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: Subscribe right there, or go to the Iheartrate app, Apple Podcasts, 607 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next 608 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessed day.