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Speaker 1: Hello America, Happy Thursday, and welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of Just the News, No Noise, hopefully the place that

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Speaker 1: you come to get trust this news. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: John Solomon, reporting to you, as always from the nation's capital,

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Speaker 1: where a lot has ensued in the last twenty four hours. First,

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Speaker 1: the chaos in Minneapolis, Minnesota continues. As the chaos in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota continues, as we are looking at another night of

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Speaker 1: protests upcoming tonight. Manda will have more on why it's

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Speaker 1: still happening in a moment, but before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: President Trump has now threatened to use the Insurrection Act

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Speaker 1: to stop attacks on ICE agents there in Minnesota. They've

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Speaker 1: been attacking agents with shovels, snowballs, rocks their cars. It's

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Speaker 1: absolutely a disgusting scene there. President Trump announced on True

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Speaker 1: Social Writing in part, if the corrupt politicians of Minnesota

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Speaker 1: don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and

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Speaker 1: insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE who are only

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Speaker 1: trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection Act,

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Speaker 1: which many presidents have done before me, and quickly put

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Speaker 1: an end to the travesty that is taking place in

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Speaker 1: that once great state. Now that happens, it means President

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Speaker 1: Trump could deploy US military forces in Minnesota or federalize

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Speaker 1: the National Guard for domestic law enforcement. Department of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security Secretary Christy Noam also confirmed she spoke with the

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Speaker 1: President about the possibility of invoking the Insurrection Act and

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Speaker 1: further explain that she hoped Minnesota leadership would start working

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Speaker 1: with DHS to help get criminals off the street into

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Speaker 1: stop the violence.

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Speaker 2: That's all the people want.

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Speaker 1: The President also got some good news on the judicial

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Speaker 1: front today with a pair of rulings. First, a federal

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Speaker 1: judge ruled I refuse to issue an immediate temporary restraining

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Speaker 1: order against ICE operations in Minnesota. That coming a MIID

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz lawsuit against the Trump administration over

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Speaker 1: the surge of ICE agents in that state. Now that

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Speaker 1: means Trump is up one nothing in the court system

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Speaker 1: on Tim Waltz. Not a surprise, but probably gets bigger

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Speaker 1: in the divide. The second ruling also dealt with immigration enforcement,

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Speaker 1: with a federal appeals court ruling that the judge who

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Speaker 1: presided over the legal challenge to the Trump administration's efforts

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Speaker 1: to deport Mahmood Khalili. He was that Palestinian student that

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Speaker 1: was rilling up students on campuses in the Ivy League schools.

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Speaker 1: Well that the judge who intervened and protected Mahmood Khalil

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Speaker 1: lacked the jurisdiction to do show, meaning that that ruling

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Speaker 1: could end up setting a rearrest of Khalil, something that

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Promised to do. All right, one more big one before

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Speaker 2: we go.

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Speaker 1: The Venezuelan opposition leader Machada was at the White House today.

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Speaker 1: She was a recent Nobel Prize winner, but she came

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Speaker 1: to the White House today and said, I don't deserve

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Speaker 1: this President Trump, doesn't. She handed him her Nobel Peace

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Speaker 1: Prize and told the Venezuela people they could trust Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to secure their freedom after two decades of socialist

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Speaker 1: rule in that South American country. Of course, we removed

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Speaker 1: the socialist leader of that company, maduham pre poignancy and

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Speaker 1: go check out the video footage in the news over

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Speaker 1: at just the News. With that, I'm going to turn

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Speaker 1: to my amazing cost am Man the head because we've

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Speaker 1: got a great guess the FBI director waiting in the wings.

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Speaker 2: But you get some more headlines.

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Speaker 3: Indeed we do, so I'm going to make this fast,

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Speaker 3: But yes, John, is Governor Tim Walls advocating for ongoing

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Speaker 3: protests to intervene in ICE operations. Well certainly looks like it,

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Speaker 3: because he spoke last night encouraging demonstrators to record ICE

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Speaker 3: agents to gather data. Forget this, future prosecutions, take a look.

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Speaker 4: Help us establish a record of exactly what's happening in

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Speaker 4: our communities. You have an absolute right to peacefully film

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Speaker 4: ICE agents as they conduct these activities. So carry your

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Speaker 4: phone with you at all times, and if you see

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Speaker 4: these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone

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Speaker 4: and hit record. Help us create a database of the

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Speaker 4: atrocities against Minnesotans, not just to establish a record for posterity,

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Speaker 4: but to bank evidence for future prosecution.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, well, John, there's a lot to unpack.

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Speaker 3: But first, Governor Walls isn't really urging Minnesota's to stay

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Speaker 3: out of the ICE officers way, encouraging directing cameras at

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Speaker 3: them wherever they go. Second, he seems to be suggesting

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Speaker 3: exactly they are enforcing the law.

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Speaker 5: So, as you saw, with Governor Walls.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Democrats continue to stoke the flames while trying to

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Speaker 3: downplay the assaults on ICE officers. For example, here is

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Democrat state Senator Bobby Champion when asked about protesters

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Speaker 3: assaulting ICE officers with shovels or other improvised weapons, which

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Speaker 6: There's over two thousand of them and they've been attacking

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Speaker 6: and terrorizing our state. So yes, neighbors will come up

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Speaker 6: and be helpful. I'm not certain if they had brooms.

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Speaker 2: Or a shovel.

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Speaker 6: That is to be further investigated.

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Speaker 3: They did, in fact have some sort of weapons to

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Speaker 4: Would that change your opinion of whatever unfolded next?

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Speaker 2: Actually?

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Speaker 5: No, Right, well, there you have it.

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Speaker 3: This is why things keep ramping up in Minnesota. Democrat

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Speaker 3: accountable for what they are saying. And words matter, So

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Speaker 3: it's no surprise why President Trump is threatening to invoke

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Speaker 3: the Insurrection.

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Speaker 5: Act in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: John, I think that he would be perfectly justified, especially

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Speaker 3: as you watch these quote unquote protests that are looking

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's no doubt this is And you know, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. This is a guy that's Governor Wall spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in China. We've never gotten a

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Speaker 1: full accounting of what he was doing in China. But

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Speaker 1: in China they're very good it propaganda. And that press conference,

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Speaker 1: I was like, the guy can't even get his video right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing that really struck me. He knows

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Speaker 1: that what he's saying is false. He knows it's propaganda

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Speaker 1: because there is a thing called the supremacy cause you

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Speaker 1: can't prosecute federal agents for conducting a lawful operation. So

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Speaker 1: he's just creating a false hope and a false illusion,

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Speaker 1: much like the Democrats do on so many things. Right,

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Speaker 1: it was Russia collusion, it was false. Hunter Biden's laptop

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Speaker 1: was real. They called it false. They've been the masters

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Speaker 1: of delusion. And it's really propaganda. Now that looks like

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Speaker 1: state run propaganda. And Minnesota taxpayer should get their money

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Speaker 1: back for that video. Because he's not telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: You can't prosecute it.

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Speaker 3: He's not caring for his constituents either he is doing

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Speaker 3: them a disservice by lying to that.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's mad, but it is the state of

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: We were joined just a little while ago for an

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Speaker 1: exclusive interview with the FBI Director, Cash Beteled. He talked

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Speaker 1: about everything from the raid of the Washington Post reporters

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Speaker 1: home where they found apparently classified documents two, whether or

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Speaker 1: not the people who are funding and coordinating those protests

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Speaker 2: Take a watch. It's pretty important to you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Joining us now the FBI director himself, Cash Bettel.

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Speaker 2: Mister director, good to have you on, sir.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask about this extraordinary event in the

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Speaker 1: last two days out of people in my profession interested

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Speaker 1: in it. The home of a Washington Post reporter searched

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Speaker 1: by the FBI with a lawful search warrant. Tell us

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Speaker 1: why this is unique in the history between the FBI

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Speaker 7: It's actually not.

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Speaker 7: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 8: The information in question, no doubt jeopardize the lives of

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Speaker 8: American warfighters because the information, though it was distributed through

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Speaker 8: the media, was classified and on top of that involves

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Speaker 8: sensitive operations. We here at the FBI are of course

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Speaker 8: going to do absolutely everything we can to contain and

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Speaker 8: be arrested, just like this individual was who was a

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Speaker 7: And so what I'd like people.

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Speaker 8: To think about is a little bit of the history

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Speaker 8: here before we dive deeper into the facts. The Obama

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Speaker 8: administration prosecuted more people for the disclosure of classified information

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Speaker 8: made by public and media outlets, to the tune of

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Speaker 8: wait for it, more than every other presidency combined. They

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Speaker 8: also went after the AP and seize twenty devices and

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Speaker 8: phones without a search warrant. And then there's what they

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Speaker 8: did to James Rosen. So look, I don't want to

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Speaker 8: hear about from the hypocrites that's saying, oh, we're doing

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Speaker 8: this first off ever, kind what we did was open investigation.

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Speaker 8: We discovered and an arrested an individual for leaking classified

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Speaker 8: information that jeopardized our warfighters. The Department of Justice brilliantly

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Speaker 8: brought this case with the FBI. And now we are

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Speaker 8: generally speaking because I don't want to comment on the

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Speaker 8: ongoing investigation. What we would do here is research, look

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Speaker 8: at who those people talk to, look at where their

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Speaker 8: connections were, look at the materials that were obtained. And John,

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Speaker 8: you hit it on the head in your opening. We

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Speaker 8: obtained a lawful search warrant. That means a federal district

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Speaker 8: court judge right here in Washington, DC understood read the

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Speaker 8: parameters of our search warrant and said, you have met

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Speaker 8: the threshold for legal probable cause that a crime has occurred,

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Speaker 8: and you can go see these devices.

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Speaker 7: And that's what we did.

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Speaker 2: Wow Coortant.

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Speaker 3: Well, Washington Post is already moaning and groaning about it

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Speaker 3: and pushing for legal action against it. But I think

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Speaker 3: that the reality is is that regardless of the freedom

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Speaker 7: You raise an excellent point.

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Speaker 8: What people are overlooking is the point you just made,

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Speaker 8: which is equally as important to what we were just discussing.

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Speaker 8: There is no law prohibiting the application of search warrants

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Speaker 8: to journalists if they are involved in criminal activity, and

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Speaker 8: we can prove probable cause.

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Speaker 7: And that's exactly what we've done here.

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Speaker 8: All the people that are screaming, like the Washington Post

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Speaker 8: can say what we did was unconstitutional or in any

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Speaker 8: is absolutely lawful what we did. And the mission is

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Speaker 8: to protect classified information. And to further that mission, we

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Speaker 8: must find every single person involved in the dissemination of

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Speaker 8: our Department of Justice partners.

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Speaker 7: We're not done with this investigation.

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Speaker 8: It's just starting, and we will take the law to

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Speaker 8: the absolute maximum application to ensure due process for everybody,

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Speaker 8: but also the protection of our intelligence community and our

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Speaker 8: warfighters and our classified information and our law enforcement personnel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and my understanding is this is pretty sensitive information

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Speaker 1: that really could have jeopardized troops. And I want to

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Speaker 1: ask about the journalists themselves that there are two scenarios.

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Speaker 1: One a journalist didn't ask for it and they got

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Speaker 1: it anyways, or the journalists solicited it. And I know

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Speaker 1: you may not be able to talk about this specific journalists,

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Speaker 1: but in general, if a journalist solicited classified it from

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Speaker 1: to them. Does that extend the criminal liability to the journalists?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 8: Generally speaking, what we want to do, John, I'm talking

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Speaker 8: Look, President Trump's administration has been a total realignment of

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Speaker 3: Director Chatel, before we let you go, there are a

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Speaker 7: They don't magically appear.

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Speaker 1: So one last thing, because the speed of this security

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Speaker 2: How did things move so quickly?

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Speaker 8: The reason, the only reason they're moving so quickly, or

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Speaker 8: This Department of Justice, the Attorney General and the Deputy

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Speaker 2: Important stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mister Director, as always, I know how busy it is.

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Speaker 1: We're so grateful you could spend some time and help

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great to.

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Speaker 1: Have you on what an amazing few days at the

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Speaker 1: in a couple seconds, we got a real treat for

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Speaker 2: He was out.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Rogan talking about Justin News and our reporting.

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Speaker 1: He's here to talk about it personally. He's on a

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Speaker 5: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest themes to this new year of

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Speaker 3: we hear Justin News have been breaking story after story

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about today, but at.

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Speaker 3: Least one senator is looking to do something about not

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Speaker 5: He also serves as the Chairman of the Homeland of

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Speaker 3: I mean, for your entire time on Capitol Hill, you

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Speaker 5: At this point.

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Speaker 10: But also you know John's reporting that this is much

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Speaker 10: and usually if I threaten to slow the process up,

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Speaker 10: I can get a vote. But I think all Republicans

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Speaker 10: and Democrats ought to be voted on whether we're going

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Speaker 10: to look at Somali fraud and look the other way

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Speaker 10: and just keep funneling the money to the refugee welfare programs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a big idea, sir, and I know

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Speaker 1: a lot more colleagues are attuned to it than in

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Speaker 1: the year's past.

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Speaker 2: When you've been highlighting this fraud for years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's welfare fraud or just contract fraud,

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Speaker 1: grand fraud.

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Speaker 2: You have been the king of shining a light on it.

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Speaker 2: Is there a changing culture in Congress?

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Speaker 1: Do you see some of your colleagues paying a little

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Speaker 1: bit more attention and getting a little more serious about it?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 10: I don't think the culture is changing. It won't change

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Speaker 10: unless it's get scrutiny. So you've been great at pointing

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Speaker 10: out what has happened. There also has to be an

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Speaker 10: array of people like you who point out how people

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Speaker 10: are voting. And so one of the things that I've

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Speaker 10: seen has gotten traction and we published it is you know,

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Speaker 10: last year I had an amendment to strip out all

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Speaker 10: of the DOE found foreign aid cut. So it was

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Speaker 10: sixteen billion, and we voted, and about half the Republicans

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Speaker 10: voted to keep the foreign aid money in. Now they

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Speaker 10: have all these excuses, Oh, oh, we don't want government

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Speaker 10: to shut down. But we're in charge. We have the presidency,

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Speaker 10: we have the Senate, we have the House. We should

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Speaker 10: not be sending all this foreign aid out there. And

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Speaker 10: so I've started putting the votes on. I haven't been

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Speaker 10: as active in putting the votes forward, but other people

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Speaker 10: need to do this.

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Speaker 9: What ultimately is the.

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Speaker 10: Oversight of Congress that chasens people's behavior and makes them

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Speaker 10: think is if people know. But a lot of times

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Speaker 10: the committee votes, like the committee vote was, you know,

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Speaker 10: page three hundred and eighty two out of five hundred pages.

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Speaker 10: It's hard for the public to find these votes. But

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Speaker 10: we need to publicize committee votes. We need to publicize

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Speaker 10: floor votes. And what I've tried to do, and I've had.

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Speaker 9: More amendments voted on, I think than anyone in the.

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Speaker 10: Senate in modern history, is I fight hard to get

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Speaker 10: amendment votes on foreign aid, and I'm going to fight

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Speaker 10: hard to get one on this refugee money stripping out

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Speaker 10: this refugee money.

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Speaker 5: That's huge, mister chairman.

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Speaker 3: If you are successful in obtaining these audits and at

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Speaker 3: the end of that you determine that they are irredeemable.

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Speaker 3: These programs, whether it's Medicator and these other social programs,

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Speaker 3: if they are completely irredeemable, you got to wipe a

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Speaker 3: slate clean and start from scratch. What percentage of people

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Speaker 3: do you think would still be on it compared to

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Speaker 3: what's on it now.

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Speaker 10: I don't know the answer, but I do think that

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Speaker 10: the principle that you brought forward is important in the

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Speaker 10: sense that you know, people complain about waste all the time.

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Speaker 10: They say, we're going to get better people next time,

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Speaker 10: and we're going to appoint this bureaucrat he's appointed by

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Speaker 10: a Republican administration or she is, and she'll.

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Speaker 9: Do a better job. Ultimately, they only do a better

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Speaker 9: job you give him less money.

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Speaker 10: So like the National Science Foundation does studies on whether

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Speaker 10: or not if you give cocaine to Japanese quail, whether

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Speaker 10: or not they're more sexually promiscuous. They study whether or

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Speaker 10: not they by you laugh, but it's true. They study

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Speaker 10: whether or not if you give if you if you

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Speaker 10: feed tequila to codfish, and you feed gin to codfish,

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Speaker 10: which one of them makes them more rambunctious and crazy.

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Speaker 10: You don't get more oversight by saying, oh, the National

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Speaker 10: Science Foundation will do better if we just give them.

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Speaker 9: The same amount of money. In fact, it's worse.

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Speaker 10: They doubled the funding last year under this chips subsidy

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Speaker 10: bill for subsidizing billion dollar microchip companies, they double the

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Speaker 10: National Science Foundation. So my question is do you think

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Speaker 10: there'll be more waste next year or less? So what

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Speaker 10: I've proposed for everything is to balance the budget, you

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Speaker 10: have to have six percent less spending.

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Speaker 9: And what I like about doing it across the.

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Speaker 10: Board is everybody comes in and has a sad story,

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Speaker 10: and many of them are, you know, research money for Alzheimer's.

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Speaker 10: I have family members with it. Everybody does, and it's

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Speaker 10: like I have sympathy. We're a wealthy country. Can't we

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Speaker 10: afford it? And so if we spend one hundred million

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Speaker 10: last year, I'll say, could we spend ninety four million?

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Speaker 10: And you know, most of the families that come in say, well,

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Speaker 10: that's nothing unreasonable. We'll still be doing Alzheimer's research. We're

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Speaker 10: just going to do six percent less so we don't

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Speaker 10: bankrupt the country. But I think it's the same with

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Speaker 10: refugee money. Six percent would be a minimum. But I

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Speaker 10: think given the egregiousness of the Somali fraud scam up there,

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Speaker 10: I would wipe the whole thing out because I think

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Speaker 10: we have other things we're short of money on. We

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Speaker 10: should not have a flashing beacon to the world saying hey,

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Speaker 10: if you can get refugee status, you can come and

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Speaker 10: live on the American dime. I don't think we really

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Speaker 10: should have the program at all. We'd still have a

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Speaker 10: refugee program, and it needs to be judicious, can't be

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Speaker 10: wide open, and it needs to be one family or

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Speaker 10: one person at a time. It can't be Hey, Somalia,

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Speaker 10: send us all your.

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Speaker 2: Poor Yeah, that's so important before we let you go, sir.

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Speaker 1: The other day, time member of the House Whip came

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Speaker 1: out and said he's been briefed on at least five

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Speaker 1: million dollars that left the Somali community that ended up

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Speaker 1: in the hands of El Shabab. We now sort of

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Speaker 1: have a good roadmap of how this cash system work

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Speaker 1: goes Columbus to Minneapolis, Minneapolis overseas. Are you planning to

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Speaker 1: subpoena or interview those cash couriers. There's only a handful

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Speaker 1: of them, apparently, that we're moving all this cash, you

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Speaker 1: intend to find out where they were getting their money

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Speaker 1: and where it was going.

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Speaker 9: Yes, we're going to do whatever it takes to get

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Speaker 9: to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 10: And that's the reporting, some of which I've heard from you,

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Speaker 10: is that there are four or five, ten maybe people.

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Speaker 10: But I don't understand how you can say, oh, I

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Speaker 10: have a million dollars in my.

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Speaker 9: Suitcase and they just say okay.

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Speaker 10: And I think it's probably going to be very true

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Speaker 10: that when you're moving a lot of cash, you can't

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Speaker 10: just take it to your local bank, usually even in

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Speaker 10: another country. So I imagine it's going to go through an

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Speaker 10: illegal network. And not only is al Shabab an illegal network,

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Speaker 10: but a network that threatens Americans around the world. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: we're going to get to the bottom of this, and

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Speaker 10: it will mean subpoenaing these things. The only difficulty I

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Speaker 10: tell you we always have is that as we've started

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Speaker 10: our investigation, we're already bumping up against the federal government

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Speaker 10: says they have an active investigation, and whereas I can

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Speaker 10: investigate for facts.

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Speaker 9: I can't put.

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Speaker 10: People in jail, So if the FBI is currently investigating this,

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Speaker 10: or certain members of the government are, it may be

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Speaker 10: delayed as far as me being able to bring individuals

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Speaker 10: who may shortly be you would think under indictment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big, big revelation, but it's important.

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Speaker 2: I know one thing. I've watched you for a long time.

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Speaker 2: You will get the American people the answers. I'm certain

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so the American people.

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Speaker 11: I feel like this, Yes, yes, excellent, excellent because kicking

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Speaker 11: the American taxpayers and the Tief Chairman of the Sentate

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Speaker 11: Homeland Security Committee and Senator Ran Paul thanks so much

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Speaker 11: for being with us tonight, sir.

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Speaker 5: It's an honor.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. We've been chronicling on this show. One

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Speaker 1: of the most important humanitarian crisis of our generation. It

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Speaker 1: occurs in a country that used to be incredibly friendly

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Speaker 1: to Christians and to the United States Nigeria, but today,

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Speaker 1: with Islamis owning a large part of the country, Christians

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Speaker 1: are systemically being executed. They've been run out of their

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Speaker 1: homes and their businesses. It is beyond anything we could

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Speaker 1: imagine in a country that once enjoyed some relatives stability.

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Speaker 1: Now joining us to bring us up to speed on

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Speaker 1: what's been going on on the ground there since President

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Speaker 1: Trump issued warnings to Nigeria. Is the executive director of

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Speaker 1: Equipping the Persecute. He's also the founder of Truth Nigeria

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Speaker 1: dot com and a missionary, a filmmaker, and of course

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Speaker 1: a humanitarian advocate. We welcome back jud Saw Judd. Good

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Speaker 1: to have you back in the hey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back on this is an

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Speaker 2: important issue.

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Speaker 1: We have to keep it front and center for the

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Speaker 1: American people. President Trump put some of his weight into this.

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Speaker 2: He gave a warning to Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any improvement on the ground since that happened.

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Speaker 12: It's shaken the Nigerian government to the core ever since

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Speaker 12: President Trump got involved. But what's happened is is since

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Speaker 12: the strikes that took place on Christmas Day, sadly, it's

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Speaker 12: been the business as usual. There's been one hundred and

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Speaker 12: thirty Christians killed since Christmas Day, and the Trump administration,

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Speaker 12: I thank them for taking action, I thank them for

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Speaker 12: sent for killing terrorists. But the problem is is they

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Speaker 12: killed the weakest terror link out of the main three

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Speaker 12: terrorist organizations. So you have the ISIS affiliated Lakura Liakuroa,

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Speaker 12: you have Bokaharam and then you have the Flanni ethnic

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Speaker 12: militia and the other two, the Bokarama Flani are responsible

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Speaker 12: for the larger portion of the Christian killings. And Nigerian

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Speaker 12: government a little cooperation said we'll give you these guys

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Speaker 12: that we.

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Speaker 2: Don't like over here.

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Speaker 12: So we did all the terrorists of favor by going

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Speaker 12: after the least liked out of the bunch. But Nigeria

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Speaker 12: government is trying to figure out what its strategy is

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Speaker 12: and as you've just heard recently, know this, but they've

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Speaker 12: just allocated nine million dollars to a US lobbying firm

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Speaker 12: Wow to advocate on their behalf. And so we're going

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Speaker 12: to have some struggles here in.

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Speaker 2: The US battling the narrative.

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Speaker 12: But Nigerian government is playing every card it has, other

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Speaker 12: than doing the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Which is taking care of persecuted Christians have their own citizens. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Jud I was talking to a couple over Christmas who

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Speaker 3: are from Nigeria and they were speaking about their family

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Speaker 3: who's back there, and I said, one of the most

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Speaker 3: concerning elements about what we've seen in the last few

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Speaker 3: years is that, as they explained it to Feilani's and

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Speaker 3: Bokoharam used to be isolated to certain areas of the country.

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Speaker 3: I think they said the northern region, but they said,

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Speaker 3: now they're pretty much operating all over Is that the case.

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Speaker 12: Yes, they're operating all over the place. And we just

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Speaker 12: created a tool actually called the Nigeria Terror Tracker nttmap

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Speaker 12: dot org which shows every attack that's taking place over

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Speaker 12: the last five years and who did it and where.

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Speaker 12: And you can see on the map that the Flani

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Speaker 12: and the Flani and Bocahram have not just stayed in

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Speaker 12: the north. They've been attacking all the way to the

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Speaker 12: very south. And so this is a visual representation of

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Speaker 12: what's going on. But fifty thousand killed in the last

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Speaker 12: five years and the attacks have just been ramping up.

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Speaker 12: So your neighbors are exactly correct, and everyone if this

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Speaker 12: problem isn't dealt with, all of Nigeria is going to

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Speaker 12: suffer more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it destabilizes the in country, will be no trust

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Speaker 1: left among the people. They won't know who the enemy is.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this week, you were with Bill Isaanga. Congressman Marlin

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Speaker 1: stotsmincom a frequent guest on this show.

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Speaker 2: He's been keeping us up the speed.

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Speaker 1: Congress is starting to put some additional muscle into this.

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Speaker 1: What does Congress and the President need to do with

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Speaker 1: the next step to try to get summarily for these

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Speaker 1: extraordinary Christians who are losing their lives.

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Speaker 12: The first things first is that they need to identify

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Speaker 12: who's doing the killing of Christians and that's the Fulani

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Speaker 12: ethnic militia. It's not just Boka Haramin isis. You have

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Speaker 12: to deal with the Filani. And then second, they need

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Speaker 12: to really work with elements within the Nigerian government that

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Speaker 12: want to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: But we got to get aid to the people that

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Speaker 2: need it.

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Speaker 12: And we need to repatriate the three and a half

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Speaker 12: million Christians back to their ancestral lands so they can

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Speaker 12: go back to living normal lives. But until that happens,

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Speaker 12: the crisis is going to get worse. But we need

705
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Speaker 12: action on the ground dealing with those that are still

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Speaker 12: living out without homes.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 10: John.

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Speaker 3: I always harp on people who complain about big government

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Speaker 3: because the reality is is that government steps.

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Speaker 5: In when the private sector falls apart and doesn't provide.

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Speaker 3: Are you finding that there are private institutions, philanthropic organizations,

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Speaker 3: Christian organizations here in the States that are dedicating resources

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Speaker 3: to Nigeria or are we in a situation where the

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Speaker 3: government's got to do it as they won't or don't.

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Speaker 12: There's very little being done from major organizations as far

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Speaker 12: as helping those that need it, and we need more

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Speaker 12: of it. And if those that are watching you're part

719
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Speaker 12: of those organizations. We need all the help we can

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Speaker 12: get and we need to take action. Look, I've been

721
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Speaker 12: doing this on the ground for six years. Yes, we

722
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Speaker 12: risk our lives, we risk a lot of things to

723
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Speaker 12: do this, but there are people that need it, and

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Speaker 12: there are ways to get aid to the people.

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Speaker 2: That need it most.

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Speaker 12: And we need more people to pool their resources together

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Speaker 12: to help this people because this is a major crisis

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Speaker 12: that has gone largely ignored.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, coalition of the willing is what we need right

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Speaker 1: now to really get it all there. I want to

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Speaker 1: turn to the repatiation issue you gave us in a

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Speaker 1: stunning number. Three point five million Hygerians don't live in

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Speaker 1: their home anymore. Some have fled the country, some have

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Speaker 1: fled to other locations. Tell us where they were scattered

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Speaker 1: to and who are protecting what countries protect them?

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Speaker 12: Well, there's no one protecting them. They're like refugees within

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Speaker 12: their own country. So their area gets attacked, the terrorists

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Speaker 12: now squad on their land, they go back, they get killed,

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Speaker 12: and then Nigerian government instead of defending these people and

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Speaker 12: going after the terrorists and pushing them out, they let

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Speaker 12: the terrorist squad on the land, and then they send

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Speaker 12: these people into the these random places in the middle

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Speaker 12: of nowhere and say here you go, survive, have fun

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Speaker 12: with no aid and no infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: It is extraordinary that it could go on in the

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Speaker 1: twenty first first century, right under our noses, and they're

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Speaker 1: not being more coverage of it.

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Speaker 2: We're grateful that you keep us illuminated on it.

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Speaker 1: Not only do you keep us illuminate, you're on the

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Speaker 1: ground helping, and that's what we need more people to do.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you on. Thanks for joining us to

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Speaker 2: God bless you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, folks, everybody pay attention to There's

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Speaker 1: more we can do, There's more we must do.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back to the marrow right after he's

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Speaker 2: messing us here.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 3: One of America's fastest growing crimes is home title theft,

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Speaker 3: and you need to protect yourself from it.

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Speaker 5: And here's why.

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Speaker 3: Because, unlike someone stealing money from your checking account, where

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Speaker 3: usually your bank will make you whole, home title theft

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Speaker 3: largely leaves victims to fend for themselves.

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Speaker 5: So what can you do to protect yourself and your family?

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Speaker 3: Joining us now an Emmy and multi award winning news

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Speaker 3: anchor and investigative reporter who has recently been spending his

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Speaker 3: time researching the growing crime of home title theft, John Summer.

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Speaker 5: John, great to have you back with us. Happy to hear.

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Speaker 13: Thanks so much, Amanda, and good to see you John

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Speaker 13: as well. Good sir. Let me take things back just

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Speaker 13: a second here and just make the mention that one

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Speaker 13: of the privileges, if not a right, that we have

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Speaker 13: here in the United States of America, is the right

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Speaker 13: to ownership of property. And it could be your house,

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Speaker 13: could be a piece of land, it could be a

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Speaker 13: cabin in the woods. You might have an airbnb, you

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Speaker 13: might have rental property, whatever, but you own it. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 13: there's a movement in the country right now, in some

779
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Speaker 13: places like New York City and here in California to

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Speaker 13: take that right away and create public housing. And it's troubling,

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Speaker 13: it's frightening in a way. And so what we're dealing

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Speaker 13: with today is the ability though, because back in the seventies,

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Speaker 13: John and Amanda, when I was first starting in the

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Speaker 13: news business, I was photographing hudds subsidized housing, it's housing,

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Speaker 13: urban development housing, and it was always a mess. And

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Speaker 13: the reason it was is because they didn't have the

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Speaker 13: pride of ownership. But when you have the pride of ownership,

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Speaker 13: you have to also be aware that that property can

789
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Speaker 13: be taken from you, and in most cases it's the

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Speaker 13: greatest bulk of somebody's estate. So now we have a story,

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Speaker 13: ironically in New York State where the Attorney General, whose

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Speaker 13: name I will not say, has actually made the crime.

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Speaker 13: And I call it a crime of house stealing or

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Speaker 13: title theft or deep theft, a crime. But as I've

795
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Speaker 13: said before, it's one thing to call something a crime.

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Speaker 13: It's another thing to catch a criminal. Well they did

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Speaker 13: in upstate New York and Albany. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 13: the story if you want to hear.

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Speaker 5: It, yes, brief.

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Speaker 2: Please. Amazing story it is.

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Speaker 13: And it's very interesting. It's unique in some respects and

802
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 13: not in other respects. But here's a fellow who was

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Speaker 13: running a house from a relative, and the relative and

804
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 13: the bank wanted to sell the house and he didn't

805
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 13: want to leave the house and he was going to

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Speaker 13: be evicted, so he transferred the title and it's very

807
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 13: easy to do into his name, and then he told

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Speaker 13: the bank that it was his house. And unfortunately he

809
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 13: wasn't smart enough to be able to realize that it

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Speaker 13: was a crime, and he was arrested and he was

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Speaker 13: tried and he was convicted and now he's in jail.

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Speaker 13: But the other half of the problem, Amandon John, is

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Speaker 13: that one thing to have a crime and have somebody

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Speaker 13: pay for the crime with time in jail, but they

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Speaker 13: can't pay the money back, and the owner of the

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Speaker 13: property still has to go through the civil system to

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Speaker 13: be able to get the title or the deed back

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Speaker 13: in their rightful name.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we have the issue of being.

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Speaker 13: Able to monitor your title and so today we're talking

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Speaker 13: about a company that does that. They are the pioneers

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Speaker 13: in the industry Home Title Lock, and what they do

823
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Speaker 13: is they monitor the title twenty four to seven. They

824
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 13: will alert you if there's something fishing going on and

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Speaker 13: this relative would have known it if his stepson had

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Speaker 13: been taking the title. And then they work with a

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Speaker 13: million dollars to restore the title back into your good name.

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Speaker 13: Otherwise you have to pay for attorneys, go through the

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Speaker 13: civil court system. It's a mess, and you just don't

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Speaker 13: need to have that kind of a problem in your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's We're lucky to have this partnership with Home

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Speaker 1: Down a Lot and we've been using the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years to help people get real facts about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: The FBI put out a warning in Boston recently saying

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Speaker 1: that it is a big deal and people need to

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Speaker 1: be where. Texas State legislature is working on legislation to

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Speaker 1: make it a criminal offense, because at some point, maybe,

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Speaker 1: as you said, many states it's not a criminal offense.

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Speaker 1: It has grown in the AI era even more and

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Speaker 1: more prevalent. Tell us about some of the trend lines

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Speaker 1: that we're seeing with AI and cyber scammers. It used

843
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Speaker 1: to be had to go down and get the paper.

844
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Speaker 1: Today everything's online. It's a lot easier to pull off

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Speaker 1: the scam, isn't it absolutely? John, And you know, I've.

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Speaker 13: Interviewed people that have been arrested for doing this twenty

847
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Speaker 13: years ago or twenty five years ago. And then you

848
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Speaker 13: had to go down to the county clerk's office and

849
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Speaker 13: you had to you know, notarize the thing. But even

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Speaker 13: back then they weren't allowed to ask you, and so

851
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 13: it was relatively easy to do it then. But now,

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Speaker 13: John and Amanda, with the Internet and with artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 13: as you mentioned, John, you can get a notary stamp

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Speaker 13: off of the Internet. It is so easy to do

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Speaker 13: and there are crime synd thats all over the world

856
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Speaker 13: that do this. I mean, it doesn't have to be

857
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 13: just one individual in your community, and they can identify

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Speaker 13: you very easily. Every piece of property has a number

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Speaker 13: attached to it, and you're up for grabs unless you're

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Speaker 13: protecting yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, there's something about this story that stuck out

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Speaker 3: to me, and it's that he did this to a

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Speaker 3: family member. If that is not emblematic of the brazenness

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Speaker 3: of this crime. I don't know what is because in

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Speaker 3: that instance it was a family member. But these criminals,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are quite audacious when it comes to

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Speaker 3: committing this crime.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, and you know there's more than one case that

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Speaker 13: I've covered with a family member doing this. But it

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Speaker 13: doesn't have to be a family member. It could be anybody.

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Speaker 13: It could be a renter in your property. And then again,

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Speaker 13: as I mentioned, Amandad and John, crime syndicates all over

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Speaker 13: the world. It's so easy to do. But it's so

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00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 13: easy to be able to protect yourself because for most people,

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00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 13: your property is the bulk of your estate and they

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00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 13: don't think about losing that. Maybe somebody gets your credit

877
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 13: card or they break into your house and steal jewelry

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00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 13: or whatever, but your house is up for grabs and

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00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 13: you need to protect yourself with a system.

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Speaker 3: Back everybody, John, I want to finish up with something

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Speaker 3: that is a personal story for you involving the unlawful

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Speaker 3: interception of mail.

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Speaker 5: Were you back in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking at the beginning of the show

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Speaker 1: with Cash Betel about the Washington Post reporter and twenty

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Speaker 1: five years ago this year, I was a reporter at

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Speaker 1: the Associated Press. I had broken some of the early

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Speaker 1: stories about what the FBI knew about nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: and failed to pete together the CIA the FBI the

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Speaker 1: large intelligence failures that preceded.

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Speaker 2: The nine to eleven tragedy.

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Speaker 1: And I was getting an important, non classified, lawful report

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Speaker 1: that the FBI had actually submitted in a public court case.

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Speaker 1: The Filipino National Police had it and they just were

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Speaker 1: going to send it to me in the mail and

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Speaker 1: the FBI used border search authority because it was embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: It showed that the FBI knew it had been warned

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Speaker 1: for years about the possibility that planes could be used

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Speaker 1: as terrorist.

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Speaker 2: Bob by them in the buildings.

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Speaker 1: They scooped up my mail without a warrant at the

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Speaker 1: border use it an eighteen nineties all called. They board

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Speaker 1: a search authority which allowed them to open the package.

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Speaker 1: Then they just kept it. They had no right to

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Speaker 1: keep it. They had to go get a warrant. They

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Speaker 1: did it, and you know, we litigated and we worked

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Speaker 1: with the FBI and we created new roles and they

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Speaker 1: returned my mail and they apologize. But there's a big

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Speaker 1: difference in that case because people look, I say, isn't

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Speaker 1: John a fan of the First Amendment?

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Speaker 2: And as I am.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, here from what I heard from

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Speaker 1: the director today, there's a belief that there was a

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Speaker 1: solicitation for this classified information to be given, and then

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Speaker 1: it's classified information that the news media doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: right to possess or to solicitsified.

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Speaker 2: It had been introduced today our court case.

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Speaker 1: The court archives were too old to go get but

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Speaker 1: the National Police had it in Philippines. They offered to

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Speaker 1: send it to me, but the FBI thought it was embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: A good question I have is how did they find

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Speaker 1: out I was going to get that mail. There was

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Speaker 1: a belief that I was intercepted overseas in the early NSA.

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Speaker 2: Phone monitoring program. But anyways, whatever.

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Speaker 1: The case is the difference between that case, where I

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Speaker 1: fought very hard because the FBI had no right, they

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Speaker 1: didn't file the legal procedures what you see in the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post case a little bit different. They go to court,

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Speaker 1: they meet the standard for a judge, and a judge

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Speaker 1: is gonna have a higher standard to search a reporters

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Speaker 1: record than any other person.

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Speaker 2: And they meet that standard and they go do the rate.

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Speaker 1: So there is some differences, significant differences, and it's a

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Speaker 1: different FBI. Back in two thousand and one, the FBI

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Speaker 1: didn't care if they violated my rights and they didn't

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Speaker 1: use the process. Here the Cash Betel FBI uses the process.

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Speaker 1: And you know why, I want reporters to be able

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Speaker 1: to do their job as best they can. It's a

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Speaker 1: little bit different, and I just wanted people to understand

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Speaker 1: that because of my own personal experience.

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Speaker 3: Does it irk you as a longtime reporter, someone who

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Speaker 3: pays your dues in the industry, worked very hard. Does

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Speaker 3: it irk you to see journalists who are being handed

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Speaker 3: information rather than them having to do the work and.

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Speaker 5: Dig court listen.

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Speaker 1: Anyway for people to get information into the public's important

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Speaker 1: long as we can off authenticate it, make sure it's true.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the bogus Hunter Biden laptop letter, all

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Speaker 1: those anonymous leaks about Russia collusion that turned out not

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Speaker 1: to be true. But you know, sometimes things drop in

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Speaker 1: your lap. Sometimes you have to work really hard for them.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the most important thing

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Speaker 1: is is it true and is it important to the

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Speaker 1: public thing. I've always had this debate. Just because something

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Speaker 1: is classified doesn't mean you should report it. It has

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Speaker 1: to have some meaning and it has to be important

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Speaker 1: to cross that threshold. And we'll see how this case

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Speaker 1: plays out. But it's really important that the FBA filed

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Speaker 1: the process, which they didn't do in my case.

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Speaker 3: John, did you know that there are four more humans

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Speaker 3: on the Earth today.

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Speaker 2: Than gods they splashed down?

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Speaker 10: Now?

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Speaker 5: Do you know the last time that all humans are

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Speaker 5: on the earth? October thirty one, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 5: the last time we had everybody here on her anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yep, all right, Welcome home to the astronauts, and thank

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Speaker 3: you all for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back here tomorrow night at six pm Eastern