WEBVTT - #315 Packers Unscripted: Roster and rule changes 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:20.360 Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.759 I am Mike Spofford. He is West Hodcoits were coming 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.599 to you here from our studios at lambau Field and West. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.880 I forgot to mention on yesterday's show. Now that we 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.600 are in regular season mode, we are five days a 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.320 week here with Packers Unscripted. We're doing just two days 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.520 a week with training camp, but now in regular season 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.600 we are five days a week Monday through Friday. A 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.240 new episode will be posted on the website and available 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.000 for a podcast. So we spent a lot of time 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.560 on yesterday's show breaking down the roster and how the 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.599 Packers got down to fifty three players. But as we know, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.440 that roster is an ever evolving entity with regards to 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.440 the Packers, and two new editions already coming through the door, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.920 one being linebacker Corey Tumor, the other running back Darius Jackson, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.920 players picked up from elsewhere. We'll start with Tumor because 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.479 he actually practiced with the Packers for the first time 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.720 on Monday. A veteran inside linebacker, this is his eighth 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.080 team now since being drafted by the Seahawks back in 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.000 two thousand twelve. Took him a while to come into 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.920 his own a little bit in the NFL, but over 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.080 the last two years two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.640 with the Chargers both in San Diego and Los Angeles 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.680 as a part time starter, put up some pretty good numbers. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.800 This is a guy who, you know, the Packers are 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.920 very young, obviously an inside linebacker might be able to 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.000 help out here. Yeah, he'll turn thirty this season, you know, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.600 I think in December. So very interesting that they would 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.360 go out and find a guy like this. He offers 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.640 them some flexibility there at the inside linebacker position. Also 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.760 some potential contributions on special teams, which is always what 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.200 you look for from those backup interior or inside linebackers. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.600 The part I love, I want to say love the most, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.880 but I think is the most poetic of this whole 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.880 situation with Tumor. It really illustrates the agony and ecstasy 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.680 of cutdown day because the corresponding roster move Tumor getting 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.639 signed was Jake Kumero, who finally makes a fifty three 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.440 man roster. Well, he goes on injured reserve now that 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.560 keeps him eligible to potentially be activated to the roster 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.240 later this season as a designated return player. But you know, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.600 for everything he did, I'm sure he really wanted to 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.359 be there week one, playing with these guys and being 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.560 able to live that NFL dream after trying for so 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.160 long to make it in the NFL three training camps 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.519 before this year. And then conversely, you have Tumor, who 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.919 came into the league in two thousand twelve, spent a 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.880 number of seasons on the Seattle Seahawks practice squad on 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.840 their injured reserve. Their story sort of parallel each other 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.040 a little bit. You know, he had to go to Dallas, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.680 he had to play with the Rams. It wasn't until 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.399 really he finally settled in with the Chargers. This guy 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:53.920 really got a chance to show what he could do 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.640 on the football field. This offseason. As you mentioned, he 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.320 signs with the forty Niners, doesn't work out there, so 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.520 now he's in day So as he said, this isn't easy. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:03.960 You know, you have to be able to pick up 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.120 stuff quickly. Now it's week one of the regular season. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.079 But being honest, this is also something Tumor has really 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.200 been dealing with his entire career, having to catch up 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.600 on the fly. Yeah, and he was hoping obviously to 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.000 land a spot with the San Francisco forty Niners, but 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.680 he admitted he was signed there basically as an insurance 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.840 policy for Reuben Foster because the forty Niners did not 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.120 know what was going to be happening with all the 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.680 off field legal troubles and everything that was going on 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.480 with Foster, so he signed there. But then the forty 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.840 Niners also drafted somebody after that, I believe in the 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.480 third round, a linebacker out of b y U as 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.360 another potential insurance policy with regards to Foster. So as 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.720 that all developed, and then Foster got into camp and 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.240 in the preseason he sort of saw the writing on 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.440 the wall and wasn't necessarily shocked when he got released. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.920 But within a couple of hours, he said, he got 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.480 a phone call from the Packers. The Packers had contacted 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.520 his agent. They worked something out fairly quickly. In uh 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.920 and here he is. You look at those numbers. His 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.200 last two seasons with the Chargers started a total of 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.560 sixteen games, eight games each season, over a hundred total tackles, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.360 five forced fumbles in that time, a couple of sacks, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.520 five passes defense, including one interception that he returned for 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.479 a touchdown. He feels like in limited playing time, he 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.880 put up some pretty good numbers and maybe he's just 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.560 scratching the surfaces to what he might be able to do, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.640 even though, as you mentioned, he's approaching that magic age 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.039 of thirty. Yeah, and it's a little bit different, you know, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.279 for inside linebackers. I think that isn't always necessarily the 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.880 I don't want to say the fear factor that that 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.800 it is at some other positions. You see a lot 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.000 of guys, particularly his play style, be able to succeed 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.760 in this league going into their thirties. But what's interesting 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.960 about his story is if you go back and look 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.120 at it, I mean, that's a guy that was a 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.520 junior college player originally, he ends up transferring to Idaho, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.600 doesn't really have a whole lot of buzz, but then 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.960 puts up a pretty darn good pro day. And you 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.680 go back to two thousand and twelve when he came out, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.680 I think ran like a four or five three. Um. Now, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.160 mind you it is six years later, now I understand that, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.080 but uh, there was there there was traits that I 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.640 think John Snyder saw with him that that the Seahawks 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.680 developed him for three years and ultimately ends up moving on. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.479 But uh, he's just always kind of scratched and clawed 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.440 his way into this league. And I think even during 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.600 his time with the Chargers, you know, he started i 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.599 want to say half of those games and two seasons 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.960 with them, it was mostly just out of you know, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.440 when he had to be in there, he went in 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.600 there and made the most of it. I think if 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.160 nothing else, he gives the Packers a veteran that can 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.840 come in here and work with some of these young guys. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.559 Because although Antonio Morrison has played a lot in this league, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.000 he's only twenty three years old. He was in the 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.000 same draft class as Blake Martinez. You have Warren Burke's 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.440 coming back as a third round rookie draft pick. So 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.479 I think having a little bit more of a veteran 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.000 leader in that room can go a long way, because 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:48.520 you go back and look at what did for a 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.320 J Hawk and and these other guys back during the 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.719 really prime years of that defense. It goes a long way. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.240 And being able to have some other veterans that you 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.200 can work off and we'll see what opportunities present themselves 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.480 for tumor you might special teams and at inside linebacker 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.960 right now for the Packers, or and Burke's still working 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.039 through a shoulder injury, was not back at practice on Monday, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.800 and James Crawford, the undrafted rookie who made the roster, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.080 he was also in the rehab group at practice. Injury 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.480 is undisclosed at this time. There won't be an official 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.920 injury report until Wednesday. So the Packers a little bit 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.080 thin at inside linebacker for the moment here in week one, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.279 so we'll see what happens. But another position where the 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.000 Packers ended Saturday at cut down time very thin, and 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.760 that was that running back. They only kept Jamal Williams 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.200 and Time Montgomery. Aaron Jones went on the suspended list. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.480 He'll be back in week three. So the Packers end 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:44.360 up signing Darius Jackson off of the Dallas Cowboys practice squad. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.920 He was cut, he cleared waivers, then was signed to 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.039 the practice squad and then the Packers kind of swooped 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.320 in and and signed him anyway, And so a number 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.159 three running back at least for the time being. What 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.440 do you know about Jackson? It's interesting because I went 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.920 back and really read up on him and his time 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.320 at the Cowboys. He was a former six round draft 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.400 pick of Dallas. He had two different stints with them, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.320 also spent some time I leave with the Cleveland Browns. Uh. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.039 The one thing that always stands out to me about 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.120 those type of players that are probably later round draft 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.480 picks but end up coming back Cowboys. For as much 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.080 as you want to talk about, you know, Jerry Jones 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.440 and that they have done, I I believe a pretty 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.080 darn good job of developing, you know, some inside talent, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.720 you know, in the last five six years, especially with 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.200 really just sort of looking internally to develop guys rather 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.000 than you know, free agency. And I thought Jackson was 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.680 one of those guys. And the fact that they brought 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.320 him back I think kind of speaks to what they 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.160 felt his level of talent was. And in reading some 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.680 of the clippings and in that sort of stuff, this 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.680 past offseason sounds like you put together a pretty darn 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.520 good camp. Wasn't good enough for him to make the 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.480 roster at a very highly competitive position there for the Cowboys, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.800 but was signed back to the practice squad. Now he 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.480 comes to Green Bay. I think it's a good opportunity 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.720 for him. The Packers you know it's gonna be this 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.600 game specifically, I think you're gonna see a lot of 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.320 Jamal Williams in time on Smory. We'll see whether or 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.880 not Jackson is going to be active in it. But um, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.040 you know, getting hopefully in these netcoming days, getting a 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.320 chance to talk to him a little bit about his 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.480 experience and where he's come from will be interesting. But um, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.320 Eastern Michigan kid that I think has really uh, you know, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.679 made his way in this league the first couple of years, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.000 you know, despite some kind of humble college beginnings. Yeah. Well, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.080 we talked about all of the different maschinations of cut 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.320 down Day here regarding these players who are now in 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.320 Green Bay, players who are no longer in Green Bay. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.320 You discovered kind of a fun story with regards to 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.640 cut down Day here in Green Bay with the Packers, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.840 a group of I guess you'd call him the undrafted rookies, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.200 kind of getting together, spending the day together and hoping 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.800 the phone doesn't ring kind of thing. Just you've you've 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.800 posted the story on our website. Tell us what you 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.600 found out. Yeah, so, Tim Boyle obviously a fan favorite 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:53.120 here throughout the preseason and in him Alex Light, undrafted 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.000 rookie out of Richmond offensive lineman, and I believe also 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.160 Austin Davis and a couple other guys were involved in 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.920 this group of players that were really, you know, just 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.480 trying to get through the day with all the anxiety 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.080 and everything that's going on. I thought it was really 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.600 interesting when I was talking to Boil, you know, he said, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.960 by the time he'd even woken up, he was already 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.560 getting text messages from teammates, uh, you know league wide 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.400 that had already not you know, gotten the bad news 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.760 sommer teammates like high school and college every everything, packers, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.480 what have you. And I thought it was interesting, he mentioned, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.280 like at that point it becomes real, like the call 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.560 could come at any minute. So him Light a collectually 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.800 these guys went out for breakfast. A bunch of them 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.760 came into Lambeau actually and worked out, just trying to 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.800 do everything they can to get their mind off things, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.640 and Light kind of recounted a story about how there's 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.760 about five of them total, and then as the morning 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.360 went on, the phone call started coming in, and by 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.240 the time they got to lunchtime, it was just Boil 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.679 and Light. So they went down the street here to 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:55.760 Texas Roadhouse. Uh sat down, as as Boyle said, just 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.360 got a good steak and just tried to wait it out, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.680 and three o'clock came. Oil said. Two minutes after three, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.880 he finally got a call from his agency confirming he'd 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.719 made the team. What an incredible journey it's been for him. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.440 I we we do a feature usually on an undrafted 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.319 rookie win after they signed in the spring, and Boyle 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.559 was the guy I talked to this year. And you know, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.839 if you know anything about where he comes from, UH 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.440 was a three time state champion, I believe in high school. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.040 But he stays in state at Yukon. He has three 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.839 different offensive coordinators in three years. It doesn't work out there. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.880 He transfers to Eastern Kentucky. And I think he came 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.679 to the NFL and came to Green Bay with a 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.200 chip on his shoulder to show that you know what, 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.880 I belong in this league. I can play in this league. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.400 And now he has the opportunity to stay on the 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.680 Packers fifty three and then just quickly on light. This 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.040 is a guy that was had two scholarship offers coming 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.480 out of high school. I believe it was Richmond and 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.000 VM I if I remember correctly, uh, And he was 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.240 told he was too small, he wasn't gonna be able 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.000 to play at a major college. And then lo and behold, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.840 not only does he end up making the roster as 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.920 the ninth offensive lineman and an undrafted rookie, he played 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.560 left tackle for most of the preseason. You've covered this 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.680 league for a long time, like you know it. When 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.360 guys come in from those fcs, you know, sort of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.800 left tackles or lower tier FBS schools, a lot of 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.720 times they end up moving them to into your alignment. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.439 James correct James Campon took a look at light and 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.240 he said, no, I want you to play tackle, and 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.720 then here he is now. As he said, it kind 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.439 of caught him off guard at first, but at the 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:23.880 end of the day, it ended up being his ticket 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 to the roster. A lot of silence, a lot of anxiety, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.480 but totally worth it for both of those guys to 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.679 end up being one of four undrafted rookies to make 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.600 the team. Yeah. I can't imagine personally, just the nerves 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.560 and the anxiety of something like that for cutdown day, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.000 for these young guys who you know, you know, you're 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.320 on the bubble. But that's all they know. What are 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.280 their chances of making it not making it? There's almost 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.320 no way to gauge it because there are so many 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.160 different factors that go into these decisions that the team's making. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.680 It's interesting because I've heard stories over the years from 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.240 lots of different players, and this can go a number 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.840 of different ways. This one, this particular year, it sounded 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.400 like these players their phone just never rang. They and 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.319 then the three o'clock deadline passes and they haven't gotten 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.000 a phone call. And you sit there and go, well, 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.880 I guess I've made the team because nobody called me. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.640 Other times you hear from players where maybe their position 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.800 coach sent them a quick text or a call, uh 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.240 to end the anxiety and just say, hey, you know 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.640 you've made it. You know we're good and everything so, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.720 and there's never necessarily a rhyme or reason to how 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.760 these how these things work out. But these cut down 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.240 days can go in in so many different ways for 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.800 these guys, and I don't know, I just I can't 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.280 imagine trying to you know, I mean, waking up whatever 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.079 it is, eight nine o'clock in the morning, and they 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.240 get up and then they've got the six seven hours 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.520 of of agony, almost waiting to find out what their 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.800 future is. It's it's got to be. It's just it's 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.600 got to be rough. I give these guys a lot 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.080 of credit. Those I mean, even those who don't make it, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.559 and maybe we'll never hear from them again, but um, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.240 you know, they gave it everything they had and uh, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.360 and now it's time to move on. Yeah, it's tough 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.520 because it isn't just that three o'clock headline. You know, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.839 Boil and Light both talked about it to you. It's 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.360 the entire weekend. It's basically all the way up until Tuesday, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.920 when I think you're guaranteed a paycheck of just you know, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.320 not sure what's going to happen. Two thousand sixteen, Mike, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.360 you go or two fifteen excuse me, Miles White, first 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.120 time in three camps, finally makes the roster and then 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.000 James Jones comes flying in the next day and whites 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.880 the corresponding roster move. It's just the nature of the beast. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.000 Nobody likes it, but the end of the day, the 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.520 Packers are trying to put together their top fifty three players, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.640 and sometimes even if you make that initial cut doesn't 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.680 always mean you're going to be there the next Sunday. Yeah, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.160 that's for sure. Um. Well, before we get to one 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.760 other topic, West, a little bit of sponsor business. Enter 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.400 the Cousins Subs Best Seats in the House promotion. You 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.560 and a guest could win a chance to kick back 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.520 on the fifty yard line in style. Two pairs of 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.560 lucky Packers fans will be chosen prior to each home 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.160 game for this v i P experience. 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Um, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.240 a number of players getting upset about calls being made 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.520 that they don't know what they did wrong and this 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:34.720 and that. Obviously in the preseason, the officials are looking 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.440 forward even more closely. It's a new rule. They're trying to, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.160 you know, trying to educate the players, trying to get 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.240 them accustomed to it, trying to get accustomed to what 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.560 they're looking for as officials and all that kind of stuff. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.000 But bottom line, West, it was a little bit of 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.760 a mess in the preseason. Is this going to straighten 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.040 itself out in the regular season or how do you 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.720 see this evolving from here? Because it just it seems 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.680 like it's kind of just getting started. Yeah. It was 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.360 funny though, because I thought the first game the actors 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.520 played that that they opened the training or the preseason 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.320 with against the believe it was Tennessee. It was it 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.960 was like this is bad man, because it was like 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.520 every other play sometimes back to back places, there's just 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.200 flag after flag after flag. I think a running back 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.600 got called for lowering his helmet, basically running through the tackles. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.480 I don't know how else you're supposed to do that 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.400 if you're running back. I mean, they talk about pad level, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.440 they don't talk about mall walking, you know, through the 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.480 offensive line. But I will say this as the at 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.440 least as it relates to Green Bay. I can't speak 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.520 for the NFL. It seemed like every preseason game it 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.000 got a little bit better. And you know, every year 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.800 we hear about these emphasis emphases. You go back and 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.160 that one year it was defensive holding, it was defensive 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.840 past interference, and the flags are just flying, and then 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.040 once you get to the regular season, they're a little 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.600 bit more conservative with it. Uh the refs are practicing, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.440 they're they're working these things out to they're having the conversations. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.600 So my hope would be is that And I've always 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.760 said this, Mike, you cannot rule this league objectively. You 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.360 just can't. It's a subjective league by nature. The game 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.880 itself is subjective. Where you want to put the football 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.680 when you're lining up for third and one is subjective. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.560 I don't care what you say until we start with 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.000 this type like maybe the tennis ball technology that shows 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.320 you where the ball actually wasps thing, But otherwise it's subjective. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.760 You can't rule it objectively. So I hope my only 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.000 aspiration for this season there is a little bit of 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.160 wiggle room allowed, specifically with the helmet rule, for just 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.080 common sense to prevail. Yes, you do not want to 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.120 have the hit from Danny Trevathan on Davante Adams or 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.400 the Thomas Davis hit on Adams. You want to get 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.920 that out of the game. But we also saw some 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.400 really good competitive clean hits like the one on Marcedes 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.040 Lewis or even more specifically, the one on Jamon Moore 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.440 against uh Riah was Oakland. You want to be able 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.000 to see those type of plays. You want to be 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.440 able to see competitive high level football in trying to 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.320 eliminate the egregious helmet helmet hits and and also have 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.200 some understanding that sometimes contact is going to happen to Yeah, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.840 I'm gonna get on the uh the spoford soapbox a minute, 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.800 if you don't mind, you gotta get the little graphic 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.360 I've said. I've said this in Insider inbox. I've had 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.040 conversations with you about it when it comes to these 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.840 safety rules, and I'm all for instituting these rules and 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.200 trying to make the game safer. The league has to 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.720 do it for its own future. I think I think 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.960 that's indisputable. My problem with it is I think they're 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.760 asking the officials on the field to do too much. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.520 I think if you want to put these rules in 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.439 about lowering the helmet and certain types of contact and 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.120 all this, you have to let them go to replay 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.240 to decide these fifteen yard penalties. And I'm not I'm 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.840 not advocating four hour games with you know, fift twenty 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.480 stoppages for replays. I don't think that's necessarily good for 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.720 the game either. But you can't have these games decided 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.199 by a fifteen yard penalty in the fourth quarter on 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.800 a hit that at full speed looks like it could 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.000 be illegal according to the rule, and they throw the flag. 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.159 But then when you as you take one look at 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.199 it on replay and you're like, no, he hit him 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.000 with the shoulder. He didn't hit him with the helmet. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.480 It's perfectly legal. Yet there's no redress for it. There's 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.840 no way to fix it. I think they're asking the 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.520 officials on the field to do too much, too, to 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.600 administer all of what I'll call the regular rules where 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.800 the ball is spotted for third and one, the past interference, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.400 the holding calls, everything else, and then all these safety 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.680 rules on top of it. I just think it's too much. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.119 Wes and and if the league is not going to 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.760 allow more of these safety rules to be subject to replay. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.680 I think we're gonna end up seeing games decided by 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.600 highly questionable calls and and the fans aren't gonna stand 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.720 for it. The fans are gonna get really, really upset, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.560 and the players and the coaches are gonna get upset 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.199 about it too. Yeah, And I thought they made a 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.720 really good move. Probably maybe the best move the NFL 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.720 has made in relation to rules was a few years 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.640 ago when they when they really put an emphasis down 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.640 on the targeting, you know, leaving your body launching, yourself launching. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.960 I always go back to that game against Washington, I 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.800 think it was in two thousand twelve or thirteen where 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.440