WEBVTT - Celebrity Blogger Perez Hilton Hospitalized After Disturbing Self-Harm Livestream 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.240 Hey there, folks. We're always told we need to be 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:11.560 careful in how we talk about suicide. I don't know, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.919 necessarily though, Robes, how we're supposed to talk about self harm. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.479 Welcome everybody on TJ. That's Robes. We're talking about this 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.680 because of Perez Hilton, celebrity blogger, and what just happened 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.560 with him. Robes, it had to do with self harm, 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.400 and I have been learning a lot about this in 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:35.600 the past twenty four hours. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:42.040 Yeah, this was an incredibly disturbing situation that a lot 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.400 of folks didn't realize they were joining when this. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.600 Happened on Tuesday. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.920 And you have someone who most people know, this is 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.200 a household name for most people, Perez Hilton. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.680 He's been around for decades. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.840 I think he calls himself the original influencer. He was 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.960 the guy who started holding celebrities accountable and yes, making 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.400 fun of them sometimes. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:13.640 He's this guy is a part of the story. He's 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:19.040 been awful to people. There's no outing people. Absolutely in Hollywood. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.040 All that's out the window, and that should be said, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.200 because who gives a damn Right now, We're all concerned 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.960 for him because we saw with our own eyes someone 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.080 who was in trouble. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.880 In pain, and he's a human being and regardless of 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.640 past acts or how he's operated, and I will say 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.480 he has softened significantly over the years. But for anyone 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.040 who has been a target of his attacks, certainly they 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.880 had feelings about him. I would think that that is 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.960 all suspended and changed when you see the state he 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.920 was in and the choice he made to put it 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.240 out there on a live stream. Bottom line, if you 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.560 haven't seen it, I would suggest you don't look it 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.080 up because because unfortunately I did watch parts of it 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.680 that are still online, and there are still versions of 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.840 it online where you see Perez Hilton covered in his 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:10.640 own blood. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.079 He's cutting himself, he appears to be harming himself. This 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.640 went on for a little bit, not just one cut, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.360 but multiple This was ugly, that was awful, and people 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.120 didn't know what direction it was going to go. We 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.160 can say, yes, the incident did happen as of this recording. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:32.280 It happened just overnight, but robes the people were online, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.480 people who were watching this, his fans, friends were telling 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.920 him via the live stream, stop, don't do this, but 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.200 calls were going in to authorities. We ended up showing up, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.480 got the situation under control, I guess, and he went 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.320 to the hospital. More on that in the second, but 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:53.160 Robes did there is a whole community out there of 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:59.240 this thing of self harm, which is a precursor to 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:05.160 possible suicide. And if nothing else, Robes it made me 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.280 stop and pay attention to something because there's so much 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.400 talk about depression, anxiety and finding community online and kids 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.200 ending up dying by suicide. But Robes, this is something 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.920 I didn't this part of it. People, This is a 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.760 regular thing, and thousands and thousands of these videos are 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:26.160 out there. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.880 I'll be honest, I had no idea about that either, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.040 but I guess it makes sense. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.040 There's a community for everything, and even perhaps a community 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.960 where this is an outlet. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:36.000 This is a release. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.080 And unfortunately, when kids or anyone truly who is suffering 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.880 doesn't maybe have someone to turn to, needs help, needs attention, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.360 needs someone to come in, they see something like this 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:54.600 and it sparks an idea and it creates, unfortunately, copycats, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.880 and it makes something that might be an isolated event 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.920 somehow become community event, and that might be intoxicating or 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:11.960 something that people want. Because a lot of these videos, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.120 these live streams, they are christ for help. They're very 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.080 public cries for help, and I think that's how we 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.599 have to look at this. But obviously we need to 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.479 find a way for these not to occur, because not 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.560 only are we concerned for the people who are harming themselves, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.520 but for the people who might do it later today 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.520 or tomorrow or the next week because they saw something 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.800 and it sparked an idea and it made them feel 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.200 like they were a part of something. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.839 There is an effort over the past several years, specific 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.039 effort to go after these types of videos that a 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.760 lot of the social media companies got together on. We'll 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.800 mention that in just a moment at least to get 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.760 you caught up on what this happened in Miami. Robes 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.360 and yes, he's live streaming on TikTok and this is 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.400 not And again, some of the things you were saying 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.080 are one thing, but where we add into this element 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.080 of the blood, it was terrifying. This wasn't a trickle 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.719 of blood. This looked like a horror scene. And so 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:16.000 when you consider that, we do have the official statement. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.240 Now while this was going on, Miami Dade put this 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.280 initial statement out letting us know what was happening, and 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.280 it was important to note that there was nobody else 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.520 in harm, which they were trying to explain. It's why 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.840 we are not just busting down the door right now, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:31.599 which makes sense. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.680 And they were trying to make sure he didn't inflict 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.080 further harm or there was this notion. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.200 Of people talk suicide by cop. That's sort of a thing. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.000 They're trying to de escalate, not escalate things, or make 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.520 him feel more violent towards himself or towards other where 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.640 they would then have to take action. So yes, they 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.720 were trying to keep everyone as safe as possible, and 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.360 they did release this initial statement. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.240 They said. The Miami Dade Sheriff's. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.880 Office received multiple calls regarding an individual who was live 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.159 streaming acts of self harm on social media. Deputies quickly 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.200 located the individual's residence, where they spoke with family members 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.760 on scene and confirmed he was alone inside. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:14.200 That's important, they say. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.520 In many incidents involving a person experiencing a mental health 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:23.599 crisis or actively harming themselves, deputies prioritize de escalation by 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:28.920 creating time, distance and opportunities for communication unless there is 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:33.800 an immediate threat to others, slowing the situation and utilizing 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.000 crisis intervention techniques can reduce the likelihood of suicide by 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.280 cop encounter and minimize the risk of injury to the individual, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.600 deputies and the public. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.279 They follow up a little while later when there was 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.880 actually done, just letting folks know the individual will safely recover, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.760 transported to the hospital and receiving medical attention. His reps 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.000 as well put out a statement here erbes I didn't 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.120 see a follow up for them him to suggest that 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.800 they had gotten in touch with him, But this was 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.640 These are his representatives, Robes who even they were desperately 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.200 trying to get a hold of him and say they 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.239 could not. Yeah, we are aware of the concerning content 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.920 circulating online involving our client. At this time, we have 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.520 not been able to make direct contact with him, despite 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.600 ongoing efforts to reach him. Our primary concern is Perez 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.200 his health and well being, as well as the well 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.800 being of his family and that family. Robes, I didn't know. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.080 I didn't know he was single dat I had no 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:29.600 idea he. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.680 Had He has three children via Assaragate. Correct. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.720 I wasn't necessarily aware of that. Now I am after 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.880 we started looking into him and what he's been doing lately. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.200 I even looked back on his website and he was 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.720 just on posting videos talking. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:48.600 About Ariana Grande. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:54.760 And interestingly, it struck me you started this episode talking about. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.200 Not knowing how to address or not knowing how. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.560 To necessarily speak correctly on on self harm suicide. These 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:06.160 are very delicate, sensitive topics that you don't want to 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.480 add harm to someone or any group of people who 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.680 are already suffering. And it was so interesting because Perez 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.720 Hilton took that tactic and that approach when he was 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.520 talking about Ariana Grande just earlier this week, talking about 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.800 how he didn't want to weigh in necessarily or do 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.560 anything to add to her mental health crisis, Like he 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.680 was tiptoeing around even what seemed to be a cry 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.720 for help from her in terms of what her fans 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.960 were saying about how she looked in her So it's 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:38.079 interesting he was tackling an adjacent topic about mental health 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.160 and about not wanting to overreach or say something offensive, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.200 and here we are now talking about him a matter 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:45.920 of hours later. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.040 I mean, you never know what's going on with people. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.640 Like you said yesterday, Robes, he looked perfectly normal to 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.560 his audience, right, same old Perez doing whatever he does. Again, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.760 he's not some money I follow and just not aware of. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.200 To be honest with I didn't know he was ill 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.640 doing the website. I have no idea. I just didn't 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.679 keep up, but aware of him from back in the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.160 day for whatever reason, I remember him with Paris Hilton. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.880 Yes, yes, absolutely, that's exactly the name that I think 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.920 of when I think about how he kind of started 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.959 to get into that higher level of fame where he 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.960 started just yeah, taking down, ripping apart celebrities for what 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.840 they did, what they said. He would draw on pictures 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.360 of them, and people caught on and liked his commentary. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:34.079 It was snarky, it was mean oftentimes, but now we're 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.640 seeing his suffering and it just goes to show. You 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.000 say this all the time, you don't know what's going 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.000 on in someone's life. You don't know what's going on 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.920 in someone's head, and a lot of times when you 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.439 see people who put out kinds incendiary or sometimes even 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.880 hurtful or hateful things, it's almost a projection of what 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.160 they're dealing with internally. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.679 And perhaps that might be what we saw this week. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.240 You know, I just I don't know. I don't know 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.360 if I've ever met him at some red carper to 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.240 somewhere doing anything. I don't know if I have Robes 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.520 and I again, I just remember in particular the outing 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.040 of people. I remember him in the beginning just being 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.120 vicious and it worked, right. It got him popularity, It 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.480 got him a following, It got him to what he 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.679 is now, which is, like you said, Rose, maybe a 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.959 certain degree going. You got the tmzs of the world. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.520 As far as an individual, the og who is able 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.280 to color celebrity news and has gone to like yeah, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.600 that's only a handful, very few. And you know him 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:39.000 by name, so Rob it's it's my first or the 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.480 only thing I know about him is all of that. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.360 Today this happens, I don't The first thought is of 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.120 human being that's hurting Robes and the number of times 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.920 you roll your eyes sometimes but you get it finally 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.680 now how I It doesn't matter who it is, And 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.400 oftentimes it's somebody that's not treating me, well, give him 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.599 a break. Folks are going through it, Robes, and the 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.320 reason sometimes somebody might be able to treat you so 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.640 poorly is because they hate what's happening. In their own lives, 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.560 they hate what's happening to them. I'm not suggesting that's 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.199 him here, but I'm connecting in just that we should 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.880 feel nothing but concern and love and hope that he's okay. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:29.200 There are kids involved here, and just to see people 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.280 robes who are able to go from being that performative 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.760 and doing that in front of an audience and giving 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.760 off an impression that everything is fine two hours later 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:47.400 being in that type of mental state, that type of crisis. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.200 And I will say, look, I have seen a lot, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.480 you have seen a lot in our careers. I have 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.520 never quite seen anything like that, especially someone who is 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.160 willing to do what he was doing in front of 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.880 a live audience. And I mean it, you see performative, yes, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.240 but it didn't seem like he wasn't faking the blood, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.480 he wasn't faking the cutting, and he was moaning like 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.679 I could only watch for I. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.280 Think less than a minute. I don't know how long 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:20.760 it went on. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.040 I saw people going online and saying I could see 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.960 seven seconds and that was it. I mean, this was 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.920 I have a hard time even speaking after seeing that 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.920 because it is so disturbing and I hate that any 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.400 of it's even still out there for anybody to look 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:40.000 at or to witness, because you are watching a human 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.479 being on ravel on live. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.480 Streaming services, and it's just awful. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.440 To what point, what is happening in someone's life to 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.199 get them to that point? What is happening in somebody's 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.560 life that they have been functioning successfully in front of 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.160 the world for many, many years, and to get to 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.840 that point, you wonder, and you worry, Robes about folks. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.360 You worry that, like we've we've had some bad times 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.600 and bad moments, and we went bad directions at times 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.680 in our careers where we're fighting to be relevant, we're 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.400 fighting to be a bigger name, we're fighting for that job, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.640 we're fighting for a reputation, and then you're trying to 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.360 keep a family together at home and Robes and I 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.280 don't know, but my God, to think that this is 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.480 not in any way connected to what he does for 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.400 a living, what he's been up to, and I mean 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.800 not in a negative way. I'm saying, just the stress 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.600 and the pressures in the limelight, Robes, I just how 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.800 did he get to this? You said the very the 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.320 day before the same day was the post. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.440 I believe it was the day before, but he had 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.200 that was his last post, but he was That was 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.760 just the irony for me, him discussing and trying to 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.920 carefully navigate how he described and talked about what Ariana 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.920 Grande must be going through and what they might be 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.240 going through. And he actually, that's what I'm saying, he 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.360 was a changed person from the last time I've seen 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.880 or read anything that he posted. Where it was he 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.280 had no problem saying what he thought, no problem throwing 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.520 people under the bus, no problem judging or saying what 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:20.520 he wanted about somebody. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.960 He was very careful, he said he was struggling with how. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:28.000 To talk about ari He called her ariana Grande, and 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.840 it seemed very genuine and very sincere, and maybe it 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.680 was a little bit of an insight into him acknowledging 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.800 or maybe even understanding, perhaps some of the mental struggles 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.040 that she was going through, because maybe at that point 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.920 he had been going through them as well, we just 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.400 weren't as fully aware. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.400 But to have it go from that level. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:52.240 Of empathy and compassion and trying to describe someone's personal 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.880 issues and saying he wished her the best and was 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.720 glad she was taking a step back to then just 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:01.920 hours later having a live stream showing a horror movie 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.600 where he was the perpetrator and the victim all in one. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.280 And yes, to know. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.280 That there were children, to know that he's got family 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.560 members who care about him who were at the I 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.000 guess nearby on the scene, but not in the home, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.520 so they weren't in any sort of real danger. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:22.440 But I cannot imagine. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.960 What leads somebody to that point, to that breaking point, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.640 but clearly that was a mental health break, and a 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.320 lot of people are pointing out the fact that, yes, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.080 he was talking about Ariana Grande, but he literally in 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.360 that live stream looked very similar to the way Ariana 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.000 Grande looked in her music video that was just released, Pedal, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.920 which he was actually talking about in that last vlog 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.720 or blog, And he actually looked like her, bloodied from 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.120 head to toe. And people have been putting up side 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.960 by side images as if was he in some way 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.480 weird way embodying part of that video. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.760 I mean, it really does look eerily similar. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.800 I don't know, obviously, we don't know if there's a connection, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.720 but it's certainly been noted. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.760 You know this is not and again, authorities are there 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.120 so of anybody suggesting this was performative or it was 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.480 just to get in some headlines. No, it was. It 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.280 was for attention, for sure, robes, but it was it 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.560 was a cry for help. This was this was somebody, 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.520 please help me, please, And he's getting that help now, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.800 and I hope he's surrounded by family robes. But I 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:43.960 don't think anyone saw this, and this doesn't didn't look 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.920 like anyone was glorifying or romanticizing the idea of self harm. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.520 Those are two. There are plenty of videos out there 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.760 and we're getting into now, but this wasn't that. I 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.640 want to make that clear. That was nothing glorious about 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.080 this video. If you haven't seen it, and we do 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.840 not suggest watching it, but no, it's out there. But 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.600 that was nothing glorious about what we were saying. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:06.119 No, he was. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:11.280 He actually sounded and looked like he was in pain. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.600 He was moaning, he was he was not enjoying this. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.080 It didn't seem performative at all. This seemed like something 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.959 that none of us should have been watching. And to 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.440 hear the people saying stop, please stop, I mean, it. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.560 Was just it. It didn't seem real. That's how awful 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:32.000 it was. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.600 You kept thinking the whole time you're watching, like this 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.000 can't actually have occurred. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.959 This can't. I can't imagine what it was like watching 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.200 it in real time. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.560 And it was taken down. They got word of it 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:49.720 at TikTok the live stream was taken down ROA. Was it? 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.959 Good on? And I will give them credit. But to 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:57.160 hear the authorities say they got multiple calls, Yes, all right, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.800 folks were concerned enough, they picked up the phone, they call. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.280 They just didn't stare at what they were and see 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.240 it as a form of entertainment. Maybe that some people 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.879 did called so good on them, thank god. Yes, and 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.480 those folks are probably strangers to him, fans or something watching. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.400 But when they said they got multiple calls of an incident, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.640 good on those folks. Like we mentioned here at the top, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.440 we are learning about self harm, including the fact that 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:37.480 self harm has a different name robes self harm. That 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.680 is pretty self explanatory when you hear it the clinical 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:47.280 name non suicidal self injury disorder. Wow, it's a disorder. 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:53.960 They consider it a mental health disorder, non suicidal self 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.919 injury disorder. They've been paying attention and focusing on this 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.240 a lot the past several years. Robes and I guess yes, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.600 we've seen several instances of AI. Now kids will ask 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.440 AI for help and how to harm themselves or how 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.920 to deal with things. But there are plenty of videos 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:15.840 out there, oh you mentioned community that are glorifying in 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.200 some way, and even if you're not celebrating it, it's 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.320 showing self harm as an option. It's showing I can't deal. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.080 It's okay if you can't deal, so this is what 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.959 I decide to do, and maybe you can do it too. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.280 It's not saying it that bluntly, but it's saying that 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:32.520 just in them being up. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.000 It's almost as if, yes, you have a self help 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.160 group where you feel seen, you feel heard, you feel validated. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.800 Other people are saying, I know what that feels like. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.120 I've experienced this too, and then to feel like you're 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.719 not alone. But the idea that what brings you together, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.920 what makes you not feel alone, is that you all 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.439 have a desire to harm yourself to release pain, and 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.879 that this is something that's worked. I mean, we've heard 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.840 obviously over the years throughout our careers and just as 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.880 human beings about this notion. A lot of teenagers will 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.800 cut themselves to release pain cut themselves because that's the 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.680 only way they know how to deal with pain, emotional 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.720 pain and trauma is to feel physical pain. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.640 It in some way releases the emotional pain. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.640 If you've got someone who's young and impressionable, and now 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.040 you've got videos and you see other people who've done it, 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.600 and you feel like you can be a part of 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.280 it and maybe it'll help. And now you've got other 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.359 people who understand you. That's really scary stuff. 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.040 But you just said something important at the top there. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:39.000 It is twofold. Isn't social media great? You can find 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.720 people out there who maybe are suffering like you or 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.320 maybe going through it, and you do feel community and 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.880 maybe you see them working their way through it. That's 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.399 a positive about social media. That same thing, Robes. On 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.040 the other side, it's the negative. Same kid looking for community, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:58.000 but you find it over here where people are not 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.400 just helping you through it because they went through it. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.399 You're suffering and staying in the same suffering together and 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.760 now you're healing the same way together. Now that community, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.080 to your point, Robes. They do say it's a good 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.880 thing and it's a bad thing when people discuss their 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.280 mental health online because people will take it as a 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.640 positive and follow you and say, hey, I found somebody 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.240 just like me and they're working their way out of it. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.879 Or I found somebody just like me and they're not 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.040 doing well, and I'm gonna do what they're doing. Robes. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.040 It's twofold. And so to your point here, what the wise? 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.760 Why do people do? I think you reeled off all 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.080 of them officially here. I can't remember this the male, 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.280 I can't remember which one I got it from, but 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.800 Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, one of them. They do it 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.720 to punish themselves. They do it to cope, They do 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.600 it to communicate stress. They to communicate distress, I has 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.040 to say, to communicate distress is why they do it. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.480 The idea that you mentioned, they do it to punish 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.879 themselves for not being good enough, for failing at something, 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.640 and you have to that's mental. 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.920 And that's so sad to me that it just breaks 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.719 my heart because it's this idea of shame that we 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.679 aren't allowed to make mistakes, that we aren't allowed to fail, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.639 that we have to be perfect, that we have to 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.040 do everything right, and if we don't, we deserve to 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:18.600 be shamed and punished. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.399 And to do it to yourself. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.399 It's just this, it's the saddest form of self hate 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:30.160 that I can imagine, which then can lead unfortunately to suicide. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.720