Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. We're always told we need to be
Speaker 1: careful in how we talk about suicide. I don't know,
Speaker 1: necessarily though, Robes, how we're supposed to talk about self harm.
Speaker 1: Welcome everybody on TJ. That's Robes. We're talking about this
Speaker 1: because of Perez Hilton, celebrity blogger, and what just happened
Speaker 1: with him. Robes, it had to do with self harm,
Speaker 1: and I have been learning a lot about this in
Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was an incredibly disturbing situation that a lot
Speaker 2: of folks didn't realize they were joining when this.
Speaker 3: Happened on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: And you have someone who most people know, this is
Speaker 2: a household name for most people, Perez Hilton.
Speaker 3: He's been around for decades.
Speaker 2: I think he calls himself the original influencer. He was
Speaker 2: the guy who started holding celebrities accountable and yes, making
Speaker 2: fun of them sometimes.
Speaker 1: He's this guy is a part of the story. He's
Speaker 1: been awful to people. There's no outing people. Absolutely in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: All that's out the window, and that should be said,
Speaker 1: because who gives a damn Right now, We're all concerned
Speaker 1: for him because we saw with our own eyes someone
Speaker 1: who was in trouble.
Speaker 2: In pain, and he's a human being and regardless of
Speaker 2: past acts or how he's operated, and I will say
Speaker 2: he has softened significantly over the years. But for anyone
Speaker 2: who has been a target of his attacks, certainly they
Speaker 2: had feelings about him. I would think that that is
Speaker 2: all suspended and changed when you see the state he
Speaker 2: was in and the choice he made to put it
Speaker 2: out there on a live stream. Bottom line, if you
Speaker 2: haven't seen it, I would suggest you don't look it
Speaker 2: up because because unfortunately I did watch parts of it
Speaker 2: that are still online, and there are still versions of
Speaker 2: it online where you see Perez Hilton covered in his
Speaker 2: own blood.
Speaker 1: He's cutting himself, he appears to be harming himself. This
Speaker 1: went on for a little bit, not just one cut,
Speaker 1: but multiple This was ugly, that was awful, and people
Speaker 1: didn't know what direction it was going to go. We
Speaker 1: can say, yes, the incident did happen as of this recording.
Speaker 1: It happened just overnight, but robes the people were online,
Speaker 1: people who were watching this, his fans, friends were telling
Speaker 1: him via the live stream, stop, don't do this, but
Speaker 1: calls were going in to authorities. We ended up showing up,
Speaker 1: got the situation under control, I guess, and he went
Speaker 1: to the hospital. More on that in the second, but
Speaker 1: Robes did there is a whole community out there of
Speaker 1: this thing of self harm, which is a precursor to
Speaker 1: possible suicide. And if nothing else, Robes it made me
Speaker 1: stop and pay attention to something because there's so much
Speaker 1: talk about depression, anxiety and finding community online and kids
Speaker 1: ending up dying by suicide. But Robes, this is something
Speaker 1: I didn't this part of it. People, This is a
Speaker 1: regular thing, and thousands and thousands of these videos are
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I had no idea about that either,
Speaker 3: but I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 2: There's a community for everything, and even perhaps a community
Speaker 2: where this is an outlet.
Speaker 3: This is a release.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, when kids or anyone truly who is suffering
Speaker 2: doesn't maybe have someone to turn to, needs help, needs attention,
Speaker 2: needs someone to come in, they see something like this
Speaker 2: and it sparks an idea and it creates, unfortunately, copycats,
Speaker 2: and it makes something that might be an isolated event
Speaker 2: somehow become community event, and that might be intoxicating or
Speaker 2: something that people want. Because a lot of these videos,
Speaker 2: these live streams, they are christ for help. They're very
Speaker 2: public cries for help, and I think that's how we
Speaker 2: have to look at this. But obviously we need to
Speaker 2: find a way for these not to occur, because not
Speaker 2: only are we concerned for the people who are harming themselves,
Speaker 2: but for the people who might do it later today
Speaker 2: or tomorrow or the next week because they saw something
Speaker 2: and it sparked an idea and it made them feel
Speaker 2: like they were a part of something.
Speaker 1: There is an effort over the past several years, specific
Speaker 1: effort to go after these types of videos that a
Speaker 1: lot of the social media companies got together on. We'll
Speaker 1: mention that in just a moment at least to get
Speaker 1: you caught up on what this happened in Miami. Robes
Speaker 1: and yes, he's live streaming on TikTok and this is
Speaker 1: not And again, some of the things you were saying
Speaker 1: are one thing, but where we add into this element
Speaker 1: of the blood, it was terrifying. This wasn't a trickle
Speaker 1: of blood. This looked like a horror scene. And so
Speaker 1: when you consider that, we do have the official statement.
Speaker 1: Now while this was going on, Miami Dade put this
Speaker 1: initial statement out letting us know what was happening, and
Speaker 1: it was important to note that there was nobody else
Speaker 1: in harm, which they were trying to explain. It's why
Speaker 1: we are not just busting down the door right now,
Speaker 1: which makes sense.
Speaker 2: And they were trying to make sure he didn't inflict
Speaker 2: further harm or there was this notion.
Speaker 3: Of people talk suicide by cop. That's sort of a thing.
Speaker 2: They're trying to de escalate, not escalate things, or make
Speaker 2: him feel more violent towards himself or towards other where
Speaker 2: they would then have to take action. So yes, they
Speaker 2: were trying to keep everyone as safe as possible, and
Speaker 2: they did release this initial statement.
Speaker 3: They said. The Miami Dade Sheriff's.
Speaker 2: Office received multiple calls regarding an individual who was live
Speaker 2: streaming acts of self harm on social media. Deputies quickly
Speaker 2: located the individual's residence, where they spoke with family members
Speaker 2: on scene and confirmed he was alone inside.
Speaker 3: That's important, they say.
Speaker 2: In many incidents involving a person experiencing a mental health
Speaker 2: crisis or actively harming themselves, deputies prioritize de escalation by
Speaker 2: creating time, distance and opportunities for communication unless there is
Speaker 2: an immediate threat to others, slowing the situation and utilizing
Speaker 2: crisis intervention techniques can reduce the likelihood of suicide by
Speaker 2: cop encounter and minimize the risk of injury to the individual,
Speaker 2: deputies and the public.
Speaker 1: They follow up a little while later when there was
Speaker 1: actually done, just letting folks know the individual will safely recover,
Speaker 1: transported to the hospital and receiving medical attention. His reps
Speaker 1: as well put out a statement here erbes I didn't
Speaker 1: see a follow up for them him to suggest that
Speaker 1: they had gotten in touch with him, But this was
Speaker 1: These are his representatives, Robes who even they were desperately
Speaker 1: trying to get a hold of him and say they
Speaker 1: could not. Yeah, we are aware of the concerning content
Speaker 1: circulating online involving our client. At this time, we have
Speaker 1: not been able to make direct contact with him, despite
Speaker 1: ongoing efforts to reach him. Our primary concern is Perez
Speaker 1: his health and well being, as well as the well
Speaker 1: being of his family and that family. Robes, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was single dat I had no
Speaker 1: idea he.
Speaker 3: Had He has three children via Assaragate. Correct.
Speaker 2: I wasn't necessarily aware of that. Now I am after
Speaker 2: we started looking into him and what he's been doing lately.
Speaker 2: I even looked back on his website and he was
Speaker 2: just on posting videos talking.
Speaker 3: About Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: And interestingly, it struck me you started this episode talking about.
Speaker 3: Not knowing how to address or not knowing how.
Speaker 2: To necessarily speak correctly on on self harm suicide. These
Speaker 2: are very delicate, sensitive topics that you don't want to
Speaker 2: add harm to someone or any group of people who
Speaker 2: are already suffering. And it was so interesting because Perez
Speaker 2: Hilton took that tactic and that approach when he was
Speaker 2: talking about Ariana Grande just earlier this week, talking about
Speaker 2: how he didn't want to weigh in necessarily or do
Speaker 2: anything to add to her mental health crisis, Like he
Speaker 2: was tiptoeing around even what seemed to be a cry
Speaker 2: for help from her in terms of what her fans
Speaker 2: were saying about how she looked in her So it's
Speaker 2: interesting he was tackling an adjacent topic about mental health
Speaker 2: and about not wanting to overreach or say something offensive,
Speaker 2: and here we are now talking about him a matter
Speaker 2: of hours later.
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know what's going on with people.
Speaker 1: Like you said yesterday, Robes, he looked perfectly normal to
Speaker 1: his audience, right, same old Perez doing whatever he does. Again,
Speaker 1: he's not some money I follow and just not aware of.
Speaker 1: To be honest with I didn't know he was ill
Speaker 1: doing the website. I have no idea. I just didn't
Speaker 1: keep up, but aware of him from back in the
Speaker 1: day for whatever reason, I remember him with Paris Hilton.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, that's exactly the name that I think
Speaker 2: of when I think about how he kind of started
Speaker 2: to get into that higher level of fame where he
Speaker 2: started just yeah, taking down, ripping apart celebrities for what
Speaker 2: they did, what they said. He would draw on pictures
Speaker 2: of them, and people caught on and liked his commentary.
Speaker 2: It was snarky, it was mean oftentimes, but now we're
Speaker 2: seeing his suffering and it just goes to show. You
Speaker 2: say this all the time, you don't know what's going
Speaker 2: on in someone's life. You don't know what's going on
Speaker 2: in someone's head, and a lot of times when you
Speaker 2: see people who put out kinds incendiary or sometimes even
Speaker 2: hurtful or hateful things, it's almost a projection of what
Speaker 2: they're dealing with internally.
Speaker 3: And perhaps that might be what we saw this week.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever met him at some red carper to
Speaker 1: somewhere doing anything. I don't know if I have Robes
Speaker 1: and I again, I just remember in particular the outing
Speaker 1: of people. I remember him in the beginning just being
Speaker 1: vicious and it worked, right. It got him popularity, It
Speaker 1: got him a following, It got him to what he
Speaker 1: is now, which is, like you said, Rose, maybe a
Speaker 1: certain degree going. You got the tmzs of the world.
Speaker 1: As far as an individual, the og who is able
Speaker 1: to color celebrity news and has gone to like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's only a handful, very few. And you know him
Speaker 1: by name, so Rob it's it's my first or the
Speaker 1: only thing I know about him is all of that.
Speaker 1: Today this happens, I don't The first thought is of
Speaker 1: human being that's hurting Robes and the number of times
Speaker 1: you roll your eyes sometimes but you get it finally
Speaker 1: now how I It doesn't matter who it is, And
Speaker 1: oftentimes it's somebody that's not treating me, well, give him
Speaker 1: a break. Folks are going through it, Robes, and the
Speaker 1: reason sometimes somebody might be able to treat you so
Speaker 1: poorly is because they hate what's happening. In their own lives,
Speaker 1: they hate what's happening to them. I'm not suggesting that's
Speaker 1: him here, but I'm connecting in just that we should
Speaker 1: feel nothing but concern and love and hope that he's okay.
Speaker 1: There are kids involved here, and just to see people
Speaker 1: robes who are able to go from being that performative
Speaker 1: and doing that in front of an audience and giving
Speaker 1: off an impression that everything is fine two hours later
Speaker 1: being in that type of mental state, that type of crisis.
Speaker 2: And I will say, look, I have seen a lot,
Speaker 2: you have seen a lot in our careers. I have
Speaker 2: never quite seen anything like that, especially someone who is
Speaker 2: willing to do what he was doing in front of
Speaker 2: a live audience. And I mean it, you see performative, yes,
Speaker 2: but it didn't seem like he wasn't faking the blood,
Speaker 2: he wasn't faking the cutting, and he was moaning like
Speaker 2: I could only watch for I.
Speaker 3: Think less than a minute. I don't know how long
Speaker 3: it went on.
Speaker 2: I saw people going online and saying I could see
Speaker 2: seven seconds and that was it. I mean, this was
Speaker 2: I have a hard time even speaking after seeing that
Speaker 2: because it is so disturbing and I hate that any
Speaker 2: of it's even still out there for anybody to look
Speaker 2: at or to witness, because you are watching a human
Speaker 2: being on ravel on live.
Speaker 3: Streaming services, and it's just awful.
Speaker 1: To what point, what is happening in someone's life to
Speaker 1: get them to that point? What is happening in somebody's
Speaker 1: life that they have been functioning successfully in front of
Speaker 1: the world for many, many years, and to get to
Speaker 1: that point, you wonder, and you worry, Robes about folks.
Speaker 1: You worry that, like we've we've had some bad times
Speaker 1: and bad moments, and we went bad directions at times
Speaker 1: in our careers where we're fighting to be relevant, we're
Speaker 1: fighting to be a bigger name, we're fighting for that job,
Speaker 1: we're fighting for a reputation, and then you're trying to
Speaker 1: keep a family together at home and Robes and I
Speaker 1: don't know, but my God, to think that this is
Speaker 1: not in any way connected to what he does for
Speaker 1: a living, what he's been up to, and I mean
Speaker 1: not in a negative way. I'm saying, just the stress
Speaker 1: and the pressures in the limelight, Robes, I just how
Speaker 1: did he get to this? You said the very the
Speaker 1: day before the same day was the post.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the day before, but he had
Speaker 2: that was his last post, but he was That was
Speaker 2: just the irony for me, him discussing and trying to
Speaker 2: carefully navigate how he described and talked about what Ariana
Speaker 2: Grande must be going through and what they might be
Speaker 2: going through. And he actually, that's what I'm saying, he
Speaker 2: was a changed person from the last time I've seen
Speaker 2: or read anything that he posted. Where it was he
Speaker 2: had no problem saying what he thought, no problem throwing
Speaker 2: people under the bus, no problem judging or saying what
Speaker 2: he wanted about somebody.
Speaker 3: He was very careful, he said he was struggling with how.
Speaker 2: To talk about ari He called her ariana Grande, and
Speaker 2: it seemed very genuine and very sincere, and maybe it
Speaker 2: was a little bit of an insight into him acknowledging
Speaker 2: or maybe even understanding, perhaps some of the mental struggles
Speaker 2: that she was going through, because maybe at that point
Speaker 2: he had been going through them as well, we just
Speaker 2: weren't as fully aware.
Speaker 3: But to have it go from that level.
Speaker 2: Of empathy and compassion and trying to describe someone's personal
Speaker 2: issues and saying he wished her the best and was
Speaker 2: glad she was taking a step back to then just
Speaker 2: hours later having a live stream showing a horror movie
Speaker 2: where he was the perpetrator and the victim all in one.
Speaker 3: And yes, to know.
Speaker 2: That there were children, to know that he's got family
Speaker 2: members who care about him who were at the I
Speaker 2: guess nearby on the scene, but not in the home,
Speaker 2: so they weren't in any sort of real danger.
Speaker 3: But I cannot imagine.
Speaker 2: What leads somebody to that point, to that breaking point,
Speaker 2: but clearly that was a mental health break, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are pointing out the fact that, yes,
Speaker 2: he was talking about Ariana Grande, but he literally in
Speaker 2: that live stream looked very similar to the way Ariana
Speaker 2: Grande looked in her music video that was just released, Pedal,
Speaker 2: which he was actually talking about in that last vlog
Speaker 2: or blog, And he actually looked like her, bloodied from
Speaker 2: head to toe. And people have been putting up side
Speaker 2: by side images as if was he in some way
Speaker 2: weird way embodying part of that video.
Speaker 3: I mean, it really does look eerily similar.
Speaker 2: I don't know, obviously, we don't know if there's a connection,
Speaker 2: but it's certainly been noted.
Speaker 1: You know this is not and again, authorities are there
Speaker 1: so of anybody suggesting this was performative or it was
Speaker 1: just to get in some headlines. No, it was. It
Speaker 1: was for attention, for sure, robes, but it was it
Speaker 1: was a cry for help. This was this was somebody,
Speaker 1: please help me, please, And he's getting that help now,
Speaker 1: and I hope he's surrounded by family robes. But I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone saw this, and this doesn't didn't look
Speaker 1: like anyone was glorifying or romanticizing the idea of self harm.
Speaker 1: Those are two. There are plenty of videos out there
Speaker 1: and we're getting into now, but this wasn't that. I
Speaker 1: want to make that clear. That was nothing glorious about
Speaker 1: this video. If you haven't seen it, and we do
Speaker 1: not suggest watching it, but no, it's out there. But
Speaker 1: that was nothing glorious about what we were saying.
Speaker 3: No, he was.
Speaker 2: He actually sounded and looked like he was in pain.
Speaker 2: He was moaning, he was he was not enjoying this.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem performative at all. This seemed like something
Speaker 2: that none of us should have been watching. And to
Speaker 2: hear the people saying stop, please stop, I mean, it.
Speaker 3: Was just it. It didn't seem real. That's how awful
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: You kept thinking the whole time you're watching, like this
Speaker 2: can't actually have occurred.
Speaker 3: This can't. I can't imagine what it was like watching
Speaker 3: it in real time.
Speaker 1: And it was taken down. They got word of it
Speaker 1: at TikTok the live stream was taken down ROA. Was it?
Speaker 1: Good on? And I will give them credit. But to
Speaker 1: hear the authorities say they got multiple calls, Yes, all right,
Speaker 1: folks were concerned enough, they picked up the phone, they call.
Speaker 1: They just didn't stare at what they were and see
Speaker 1: it as a form of entertainment. Maybe that some people
Speaker 1: did called so good on them, thank god. Yes, and
Speaker 1: those folks are probably strangers to him, fans or something watching.
Speaker 1: But when they said they got multiple calls of an incident,
Speaker 1: good on those folks. Like we mentioned here at the top,
Speaker 1: we are learning about self harm, including the fact that
Speaker 1: self harm has a different name robes self harm. That
Speaker 1: is pretty self explanatory when you hear it the clinical
Speaker 1: name non suicidal self injury disorder. Wow, it's a disorder.
Speaker 1: They consider it a mental health disorder, non suicidal self
Speaker 1: injury disorder. They've been paying attention and focusing on this
Speaker 1: a lot the past several years. Robes and I guess yes,
Speaker 1: we've seen several instances of AI. Now kids will ask
Speaker 1: AI for help and how to harm themselves or how
Speaker 1: to deal with things. But there are plenty of videos
Speaker 1: out there, oh you mentioned community that are glorifying in
Speaker 1: some way, and even if you're not celebrating it, it's
Speaker 1: showing self harm as an option. It's showing I can't deal.
Speaker 1: It's okay if you can't deal, so this is what
Speaker 1: I decide to do, and maybe you can do it too.
Speaker 1: It's not saying it that bluntly, but it's saying that
Speaker 1: just in them being up.
Speaker 2: It's almost as if, yes, you have a self help
Speaker 2: group where you feel seen, you feel heard, you feel validated.
Speaker 2: Other people are saying, I know what that feels like.
Speaker 2: I've experienced this too, and then to feel like you're
Speaker 2: not alone. But the idea that what brings you together,
Speaker 2: what makes you not feel alone, is that you all
Speaker 2: have a desire to harm yourself to release pain, and
Speaker 2: that this is something that's worked. I mean, we've heard
Speaker 2: obviously over the years throughout our careers and just as
Speaker 2: human beings about this notion. A lot of teenagers will
Speaker 2: cut themselves to release pain cut themselves because that's the
Speaker 2: only way they know how to deal with pain, emotional
Speaker 2: pain and trauma is to feel physical pain.
Speaker 3: It in some way releases the emotional pain.
Speaker 2: If you've got someone who's young and impressionable, and now
Speaker 2: you've got videos and you see other people who've done it,
Speaker 2: and you feel like you can be a part of
Speaker 2: it and maybe it'll help. And now you've got other
Speaker 2: people who understand you. That's really scary stuff.
Speaker 1: But you just said something important at the top there.
Speaker 1: It is twofold. Isn't social media great? You can find
Speaker 1: people out there who maybe are suffering like you or
Speaker 1: maybe going through it, and you do feel community and
Speaker 1: maybe you see them working their way through it. That's
Speaker 1: a positive about social media. That same thing, Robes. On
Speaker 1: the other side, it's the negative. Same kid looking for community,
Speaker 1: but you find it over here where people are not
Speaker 1: just helping you through it because they went through it.
Speaker 1: You're suffering and staying in the same suffering together and
Speaker 1: now you're healing the same way together. Now that community,
Speaker 1: to your point, Robes. They do say it's a good
Speaker 1: thing and it's a bad thing when people discuss their
Speaker 1: mental health online because people will take it as a
Speaker 1: positive and follow you and say, hey, I found somebody
Speaker 1: just like me and they're working their way out of it.
Speaker 1: Or I found somebody just like me and they're not
Speaker 1: doing well, and I'm gonna do what they're doing. Robes.
Speaker 1: It's twofold. And so to your point here, what the wise?
Speaker 1: Why do people do? I think you reeled off all
Speaker 1: of them officially here. I can't remember this the male,
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one I got it from, but
Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, one of them. They do it
Speaker 1: to punish themselves. They do it to cope, They do
Speaker 1: it to communicate stress. They to communicate distress, I has
Speaker 1: to say, to communicate distress is why they do it.
Speaker 1: The idea that you mentioned, they do it to punish
Speaker 1: themselves for not being good enough, for failing at something,
Speaker 1: and you have to that's mental.
Speaker 2: And that's so sad to me that it just breaks
Speaker 2: my heart because it's this idea of shame that we
Speaker 2: aren't allowed to make mistakes, that we aren't allowed to fail,
Speaker 2: that we have to be perfect, that we have to
Speaker 2: do everything right, and if we don't, we deserve to
Speaker 2: be shamed and punished.
Speaker 3: And to do it to yourself.
Speaker 2: It's just this, it's the saddest form of self hate
Speaker 2: that I can imagine, which then can lead unfortunately to suicide.
Speaker 2: So this could just be correct. This is a gateway
Speaker 2: potentially to suicide. At least some mental health experts believe that.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody use that word. But that's a
Speaker 1: good one gateway. That's exactly what they're talking about. This
Speaker 1: is a precursor. This is what the likelihood people are
Speaker 1: more likely. Yes, they start kind of this way. It's
Speaker 1: a cry for help. If you don't give it to them,
Speaker 1: if you don't pay attention, they're going to graduate to
Speaker 1: something else, and that next thing is possibly taking their
Speaker 1: own lives. Yeah, I just I never and I didn't know.
Speaker 1: This is the big thing they've been doing and trying
Speaker 1: to get online to get a lot of these videos
Speaker 1: down the way people self harm themselves. I guess it
Speaker 1: makes sense. Cutting. We've been talking about ROMs, but they
Speaker 1: will hit themselves burning, I think I've heard about that before.
Speaker 1: But also scratching and rubbing. Yeah, they do a lot
Speaker 1: of arms, wrists, thighs.
Speaker 3: And abdomen because those are hidden.
Speaker 1: Right and you have access to them, doesn't God, the
Speaker 1: thought of that. But yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Right, man.
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Ah And I just you know, you see what happened
Speaker 2: with Perez Hilton, And on one hand, you hope we
Speaker 2: can have real conversations, no warning signs, no parents, friends,
Speaker 2: loved ones, what to look for in someone who might
Speaker 2: be struggling mentally. But also you just I worry so
Speaker 2: much about about younger folks, but just anyone truly getting
Speaker 2: an idea from this or thinking that's what I want
Speaker 2: to do, or that's the attention I want, or that's
Speaker 2: an option for me. I just I hope that more
Speaker 2: good can come from this than bad, where people can
Speaker 2: really recognize that the threat of this is real, that
Speaker 2: it exists, that this is something, that this is an
Speaker 2: outlet that people do take and have taken, and it's
Speaker 2: on the people around them who love them to recognize
Speaker 2: it to help them get the help they need before
Speaker 2: it turns into some awful public display like we saw
Speaker 2: from Pereza.
Speaker 1: You know, I even wondered how that is going to
Speaker 1: have an impact because of the attention it's getting. Right,
Speaker 1: we would never cover a suicide that was done like this, right,
Speaker 1: even if it was a I don't know if a
Speaker 1: very famous person, but we're always careful in media of
Speaker 1: how you cover robes somebody who does this type of thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if someone heard about him doing it, that's
Speaker 1: one thing. Does someone else now think, oh, I'll hit
Speaker 1: my live stream and do it too.
Speaker 3: That's the scary thought.
Speaker 2: And look, it is interesting you point this out because
Speaker 2: I don't know if everyone. Probably most people don't know,
Speaker 2: but there are pretty strict rules in place in most
Speaker 2: media organizations, certainly the ones that I've worked in and
Speaker 2: you've worked in, where we actually had a hard fast
Speaker 2: rule you do not cover suicides period. I remember being
Speaker 2: in the chopper in Washington, DC and someone jumped off
Speaker 2: the bridge into the Potomac and it was a young
Speaker 2: producer who wanted to go live. We had a camera boom,
Speaker 2: traffic was backed up, so you could make the argument
Speaker 2: that there was an actual news story surrounding the suicide,
Speaker 2: because obviously they had to shut the bridge down and
Speaker 2: they had We actually found the body for the police
Speaker 2: and they came. We were over it and they came
Speaker 2: to the boat and I remember turning off the camera
Speaker 2: and saying, we will not cover this because you don't
Speaker 2: want to obviously create any sort of attention where someone
Speaker 2: else is going to think, well, I'll go on the
Speaker 2: bridge tomorrow because then I'll get attention and people will
Speaker 2: remember me. Whatever it is they go through people's minds,
Speaker 2: But that's always been and you have to make these
Speaker 2: decisions on a case by case basis. But generally speaking, no,
Speaker 2: we don't cover these things for a reason.
Speaker 1: But this is such a now a high profile case
Speaker 1: of now live stream broadcasts self harm ropes. There are
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes, been fighting getting videos like this
Speaker 1: down that are put up. But ro there was a
Speaker 1: live stream of a famous dude who was doing this
Speaker 1: to himself and so I don't know how that's going
Speaker 1: to impact you said, it was heartbreaking to think about
Speaker 1: folks doing this. The other heartbreaking part Roades, they'd say,
Speaker 1: eleven to fourteen is when this starts, and that's what
Speaker 1: I was doing through I didn't. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: young and more. The higher rates and girls.
Speaker 3: That makes total sense.
Speaker 1: A higher rates as well LGBTWOQ plus.
Speaker 2: The self loathing. I'm not who I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 2: I don't look like what I'm supposed to look like.
Speaker 2: I don't look like the girls on TikTok or instance
Speaker 2: or the influencers. I don't have a Kardashian body, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. Yes, we're always comparing ourselves to other people,
Speaker 2: and yes, I can understand why young women and the
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus community would be at greater risk just because
Speaker 2: societal societally speaking, if that's a way to phrase it,
Speaker 2: there is added pressure to look a certain way, to
Speaker 2: be a certain way, and when you don't fit the mold,
Speaker 2: you don't know where your value is. You don't know
Speaker 2: where you fit in, and you're angry at yourself. You're
Speaker 2: mad at your body for not being what you wish
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Other higher rates certain people. It makes sense when trauma
Speaker 1: and abuse in their background and robes. They say this
Speaker 1: stuff goes on for years. They can go on for years,
Speaker 1: that people do this to themselves. I guess the warning
Speaker 1: signs are just watching somebody's behavior and robes. Obviously, when
Speaker 1: what they're wearing, fresh cuts in place, sleeves. If you
Speaker 1: see that, it just it's so you need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to it because robes it does. They say it
Speaker 1: leads to this is there on the to possibly dying
Speaker 1: by suicide. Stop it now, there's treatment that people going through.
Speaker 1: They go into therapy for this, and yes, there are
Speaker 1: even drugs they prescribe for this. You can get help
Speaker 1: for this thing. But it is a legit disorder. Wellpes,
Speaker 1: It's not just somebody that's bothered and gets on camp.
Speaker 1: This is a legit, a legit disorder. That's someone you
Speaker 1: need more than just a good talking to to get through.
Speaker 1: You need some professional Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is I think so much of
Speaker 2: mental health disorders and from depression to whatever, you can't
Speaker 2: see them, right. You can't see someone's pain. You can
Speaker 2: hide in plain sight. But this is a physical manifestation
Speaker 2: of that pain. It's an actual physical symptom that we
Speaker 2: can notice and take note of and look in terms
Speaker 2: of what we cover what we don't cover.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe there is harm in not covering this.
Speaker 2: Maybe there is harm in not talking about it out
Speaker 2: of fear of it being replicated or there being acat.
Speaker 3: We're also doing.
Speaker 2: A disservice because we're not acknowledging what's happening. We're not
Speaker 2: talking about how to look for the warning signs. We're
Speaker 2: not talking about the appropriate reaction to people who are
Speaker 2: in this situation.
Speaker 1: Hope Forrez is going to be okay. I'm sure we
Speaker 1: will and hopefully we'll hear from. This is one time
Speaker 1: I'll be looking forward to hearing it from. As always, folks,
Speaker 1: I just want to hop on and give this update
Speaker 1: and give some information maybe other folks, just something I
Speaker 1: haven't been paying attention to. It needs to be on
Speaker 1: all of our radars. So folks, we appreciate you. As always.
Speaker 1: I'm TJ. That's Robes. See soon