WEBVTT - What is Quantum Tunneling?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, are you any good at bowling? By any chance?

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<v Speaker 1>I am either the world's best or worst bull? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>But when you go bowling, do you ever get any

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<v Speaker 1>like gutter balls? I can't deny that I get gutter balls,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? But are you so off the mark that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes your bowling ball ends up like in the next lane.

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<v Speaker 1>I also can't deny that that's ever happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Well, in that case, you might have a

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<v Speaker 1>special physics distinction. Oh how's that? You might be the

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<v Speaker 1>world's first quantum bowler? Is that another TV show? Like

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<v Speaker 1>Quantum Leap, but about quantum bowling? That's right, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Lebowski meets Quantum Leap. It's my new pitch. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jorge. I'm a cartoonists and the creator of PhD Comments.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist, a terrible bowler,

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<v Speaker 1>and the co author of a book with Jorge called

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<v Speaker 1>We Have No Idea About All the Mysteries of the Universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So welcome to our podcast Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radio. That's Right, in which

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<v Speaker 1>we take things around us in the universe that we

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<v Speaker 1>find amazing or crazy, or wet and sticky, or just

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<v Speaker 1>weird and interesting, and we try to explain them to you. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>all the strikes, all the gutter balls, and all those

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<v Speaker 1>spars out there in the universe, that's right, even the splits,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll roll it right down the middle for you and

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<v Speaker 1>into your brain. Right. Sometimes there's even quantum spin on

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. Right. I have no idea how to do

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<v Speaker 1>spin on the ball. I see people do that. I've

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do that. It's failed miserably. I'm all about

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<v Speaker 1>the straight and Grandma rule. It's been actually helped you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think, as a particle physicist would be all

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<v Speaker 1>pro spinning balls and all that stuff. But I found

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<v Speaker 1>an impossible My wistomost breaks every time I try to

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<v Speaker 1>do it well. On the program, we usually talk about

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<v Speaker 1>topics that people have questions about or people are really

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<v Speaker 1>curious about about the universe. But physics about how the

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<v Speaker 1>world and the how reality really works. And so today

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<v Speaker 1>we're tackling a pretty interesting topic, right, Daniel, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a topic people wrote in and asked us

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<v Speaker 1>to explain. And I think it's because they here talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in physics podcasts, and you read about it in

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<v Speaker 1>physics books. There's a bunch of online videos talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but frankly, there are very few actually satisfying explanations, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think people wanted us to dig into it and

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<v Speaker 1>see if you can explain to them what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely one of those topics that sound cool for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like just those two words put together, Well, anything after

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<v Speaker 1>quantum sounds cool, right, Quantum banana, quantum bowling, even that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds interesting. An evening of quantum bowling with Daniel and Jorge.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like an event you pay twenty bucks to

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<v Speaker 1>go to. Right. Well, Today, on the program, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>tackling a subject that is almost seems like maybe and

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people associate with perhaps teleportation, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that maybe you can move from one spot to

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<v Speaker 1>another spot kind of instantly or through a wall or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, so they On the podcast, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about quantum tunneling. Quantum tunneling is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite topics because it's one of those really weird effects

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<v Speaker 1>you see in quantum mechanics. You know, when you zoom

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<v Speaker 1>in on the world and you discover it's microscopic nature.

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<v Speaker 1>You try to understand it in terms of things we

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<v Speaker 1>know and understand, and your brain is trying to use

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<v Speaker 1>particles and waves and all this stuff. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those effects that really just stumps us when it

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<v Speaker 1>when we try to explain it in terms of macroscopic things.

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<v Speaker 1>We try to get intuitive handle on it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it just shows us that the world is so different

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<v Speaker 1>from the world that we actually understand. I guess my

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<v Speaker 1>question annially, is am I going to spend this episode

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<v Speaker 1>complaining about the naming of this effect? Like is this

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<v Speaker 1>really like a tunnel like every other episode, like every

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<v Speaker 1>other episode out of this podcast? Um? Probably? Yes, Probably, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>spend most of the time you complenty with the name

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<v Speaker 1>and me trying to argue that the physics version is

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<v Speaker 1>different from the cultural version or whatever, and that there's

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<v Speaker 1>poetry in physics. There is some poetry and physics there's

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<v Speaker 1>also plenty of clumsiness. Now, this is a fascinating topic

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the kind of thing that's really impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>explain in terms of classical analogs. You know, things that

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<v Speaker 1>you have intuition for particles and waves and bowling balls.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just something that those things can't do, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it opens the door in our minds. It says the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is weirder than you will ever understand, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of thing that got me into physics,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the revealing that the universe operates under rules,

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<v Speaker 1>but rules that are weird and in some ways alien

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the world that we know. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got two cool words, quantum and tunneling, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that makes me think of like a

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<v Speaker 1>something that drills deep down into the quantum realm or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something that um lets me like travel to

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<v Speaker 1>the quantum realm or something. What is the what is

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<v Speaker 1>the quantum realm? Where is it? How do you get there?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a whole other podcast episode. It's on the Admin

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<v Speaker 1>Movies obviously. All right, well, we'll have to have Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Rudd on as a guest, and uh and Michael Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>since he's professor PIM. I mean, they can explain to

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<v Speaker 1>us all about the PM particles in the quantum realm.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're at quantum tunneling does have a really cool

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<v Speaker 1>sound to it, and so, as usual, I was wondering, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do people know about quantum tunneling to people. Does

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<v Speaker 1>everybody already understand this and we don't need to explain it?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it a huge mystery to people have misconceptions?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I walked around campus a you see Irvine,

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<v Speaker 1>and it costed friendly strangers to ask them. So before

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to these answers, think about it for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody asked you randomly on the street and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give you the option of googling it, would you know

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<v Speaker 1>what quantum tunneling is? That's right, no googling allowed. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what people had to say. Do you know what quantum

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<v Speaker 1>tunneling is? Um? I don't know what makes me think

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<v Speaker 1>of like the mountain since Wwitzerland and how they have

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<v Speaker 1>to like build tunnels underneath them and then that's where

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<v Speaker 1>certain is. So there's probably some quantum tunneling down there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Can you explain it? No? I have not?

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<v Speaker 1>No um not really probably not. Well, I've heard, I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard of it, but I'm not sure what the concept is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's that mean? No, I have not,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not. I have not heard of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>have not. Something has to do with light and like hell,

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<v Speaker 1>the transflor on something like that alright, not a popular

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<v Speaker 1>or familiar topic, but half the people had never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of it. That's right. Um, people were pretty clueless, though

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<v Speaker 1>some people were pretty creative. I love the answer about

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels near certain that was very creative. Yeah, they said

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<v Speaker 1>that made them think of the tunnels underneath the mountains

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<v Speaker 1>of Switzerland, because Switzerland has tunnels and they do physics experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore two and two together. Obviously that's what a

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<v Speaker 1>quantum tunnel is. It's not a terrible answer, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of tunnel do you need to build a

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<v Speaker 1>large age uncle it? You know, hey, a quantum tunnel, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a tunnel in which you do quantum experiments. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible answer. Maybe that's more of a quantum ingunnel.

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<v Speaker 1>And the truth is the Swiss are awesome in building tunnels,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could sort of have to be because they're

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by mountains, but they really are world class in

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<v Speaker 1>building these tunneling machines. And so it's still surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>the large Hadron collider is in Switzerland because that really

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<v Speaker 1>is the best place to build tunnels for your quantum experiments. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to dig all those tunnels to burial, that

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<v Speaker 1>money that they keep for rich people. Oh, that illicitly

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<v Speaker 1>elicitly gotten gold. You know, hey, what do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>I have a Swiss bank account in my dream? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, true story. I discovered, um by opening her mail,

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<v Speaker 1>that my wife has a Swiss bank account. She has

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<v Speaker 1>a retirement plan in Switzerland. All right, what what other

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<v Speaker 1>secrets have you covered by opening her mail? The best

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<v Speaker 1>part of the story is that she didn't know she

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<v Speaker 1>had a Swiss bank account until I told her. Feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a Born movie here. No, it has actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>mundate explanation. When we were in Switzerland so I could

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<v Speaker 1>work on the large age on collider, she had a

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<v Speaker 1>job working in research in Switzerland, and unbeknownst to her,

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<v Speaker 1>they opened an account in her name and deposited some

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<v Speaker 1>retirement funds there and uh, and then we discovered it

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<v Speaker 1>later and like, oh my gosh, look, Katrina has a

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss Bank acount with money in it. That's how banking

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<v Speaker 1>work in Switzerland. They just give it away. Yeah exactly. So, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a Swiss Bank account, but I don't. Well anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so people were not very familiar with quantum tunneling, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that hey, we can. We can talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. That's right, It's an awesome topic to demystify.

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<v Speaker 1>First we'll explain what it is, and then we'll explain

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<v Speaker 1>how it works and how it's not teleportation. Right, That's

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<v Speaker 1>my big question is is it like teleportation? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>associated with teleportation? Can we teleport with quantum tunneling? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Start us off, Daniel, What how would you describe what

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<v Speaker 1>quantum tunneling is? So I think the best place to

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<v Speaker 1>start is to sort of warm up our intuition, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's think about this problem using things were familiar with,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we can make the analogy to the quantum

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<v Speaker 1>version and we can understand where that breaks down, like

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<v Speaker 1>where our intuition goes wrong. So let's start with our

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<v Speaker 1>intuition and the sort of the problem. The kind of

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<v Speaker 1>problem we're trying to describe is sort of like playing

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<v Speaker 1>with a bowling ball inside an empty swimming pool. This

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<v Speaker 1>is still for the bowling ball and swimming pool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, isn't that a familiar thing when you see

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<v Speaker 1>a swimming, empty swimming pool and you think, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what would happen if I threw a bowling ball in there? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's give our listeners just a quick idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. So, quantum tunneling is kind of this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that a particle or or in the usual case

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<v Speaker 1>it's an electron, it consider be on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>a barrier in one moment and then the next moment

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the other side of the barrier. Right. The

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<v Speaker 1>generally they have quantum tunneling is that it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to keep electrons in a little trap or in a

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<v Speaker 1>little hole. That they really they're hard to pin down.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are probably familiar with that because the Heisenberg

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<v Speaker 1>and certainty principle, like, you know, you can't really isolate

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<v Speaker 1>a quantum particle in one little spot in space very long,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know if you try to do it, then

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<v Speaker 1>you know eventually it's going to leak out. And and

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<v Speaker 1>the point of quantum tunneling is that electrons can build

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<v Speaker 1>these tunnels or burrow through these barriers to to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent little holes or adjacent little wells. So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>idea is that it's like you have a particle, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a barer in front of it, and at some point

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<v Speaker 1>it just moves to the other side of the barrier. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see it on one side of the barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if it doesn't have enough energy to get

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<v Speaker 1>over the barrier, sometimes you see it on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side and you have to ask, like, how did it

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<v Speaker 1>get here? Right, right, like spontaneously just appears on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side or what. Yeah, well, sometimes on one side

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's on the other side, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>goes back right, And there's a lot of interesting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>there about like, um, you know, if the particle was

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<v Speaker 1>here and then later it's there, how did it get

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<v Speaker 1>from one place from the first place to the next place.

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<v Speaker 1>Right In your mind, you're used to things. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>in one spot and then later it's in another spot,

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine it took a path from one spot to

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<v Speaker 1>the other spot. Right, That's the way classical things work,

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<v Speaker 1>based balls, hamsters, whatever. But that's not true for quantum objects.

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<v Speaker 1>Quantum bologists are here and then later they're there, and

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<v Speaker 1>there iss not necessarily any path between those places that

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<v Speaker 1>the particle took. It didn't move, It just was here

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was there. Yeah, it's frustrating because quantum

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<v Speaker 1>particles don't have this underlying hidden truth, right, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like there is a true story about where the particle

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<v Speaker 1>was at every moment and we just don't know it.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have that story. That story doesn't exist. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's in a location only when you ask

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<v Speaker 1>where is it? And then it's in a location later

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<v Speaker 1>when you ask where is it? You're saying it particles

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have a here or there. It's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>around here. Well, they have a here, Like at some

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<v Speaker 1>moment you can say it's here, and another moment you

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<v Speaker 1>can say it's there. But you can't connect the dots, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You can't say that there must be a line between

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<v Speaker 1>those two dots and the particle took that line or there.

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<v Speaker 1>There doesn't have to necessarily be aligned. It's just here

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<v Speaker 1>and then later it's there. It's you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>um frames in a movie, but without the intervening um connections.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you're watching a movie, you know, the person

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<v Speaker 1>would be standing here, and then suddenly they'd be standing

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<v Speaker 1>over there, and then they'll be studying this other part

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<v Speaker 1>of the frame, right, almost like they were teleporting between spots.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just going to say that that's not teleportation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when you're watching a movie, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you watch this frame by frame, you don't imagine they're

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<v Speaker 1>teleporting from frame to frame. Right, you're just saying, well,

0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I know he's here in this frame and he's there

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<v Speaker 1>at that frame. Right. That's not teleportation. You're saying. A

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<v Speaker 1>quantum particle doesn't have a path between these two things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, if you ask you where it is, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of pop around all over the place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can ask a particle where it is and it

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<v Speaker 1>will answer, right, and then later you can ask it

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<v Speaker 1>where it is and it will answer, But you don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily know anything about where it is in the intervening time,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't assume that there's some classical path. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you ask where's my baseball and what's

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<v Speaker 1>his velocity? Right, then you can actually predict exactly where

0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.319
<v Speaker 1>it's going to go any moment. And so it has

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<v Speaker 1>this thing we call the classical path. It's position and

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<v Speaker 1>velocity at any point in time, and when you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it, you're just sort of sampling that. Right. But

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<v Speaker 1>for a quantum particle that doesn't exist, you can ask

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<v Speaker 1>where is it? And you're gonna ask where is it later? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't connect the dots between those two and

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<v Speaker 1>assume that there's a path that it's following. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a perfect point to take a break, Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>then the idea of quantum tunneling is that a particle

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<v Speaker 1>is on one side of a wall or a barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next instant it's in the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the barrier. And so that what we want to

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<v Speaker 1>do here today is sort of explain how that happens

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<v Speaker 1>and why it's not teleportation. Exactly how does that happened

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<v Speaker 1>and what does it mean and why it's not teleportation.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you you think a great way to think

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<v Speaker 1>get into this topic is to think about bowling balls.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, well, I mean, what is a barrier after all? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think people think about electrons is tiny little balls.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking about let's use a bowling ball

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<v Speaker 1>because that's macroscopic and what is really a barrier? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people might be thinking like, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>barriers are we talking about? And so let's imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>macroscopic barrier, like a familiar one. Right, You're the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of swimming pool with a bowling ball. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>this is amazing video of a guy. This what inspired

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<v Speaker 1>me is this amazing video online of a guy with

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<v Speaker 1>the bowling ball in a swimming pool and he can

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<v Speaker 1>do these hilarious tricks where he puts like the pins

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<v Speaker 1>behind him and he rolls the bowling ball and it

0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 1>does these crazy moves and he knocks off all the pins. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're the bottom of the swimming pool with the

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<v Speaker 1>bowling ball, right, and what happens you just put it down.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make it clear the pool is empty. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>drowning here, I'm not empty swimming pool. I'm not holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto his heavy ball. And and then sitting at the

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<v Speaker 1>bar of gear does not make this anymore complicated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an empty swimming pool with a bowling ball. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's also make it clear it's one of these swimming

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<v Speaker 1>pool is that it has a curved floor, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl shaped floor, right like if if it's a

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<v Speaker 1>swimming pool with straight edges at the bottom, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to work, that's right. Also, there's no like

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<v Speaker 1>chain saws or you know, traps or you know, rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>hamsters or anything else in the swimming pool. Just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, just just the bowling ball in an

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<v Speaker 1>empty curved pool, you know, or if it's easier for you,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine a grape in the bottom of a bowl or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is what happens when you put the

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<v Speaker 1>bowling ball at the bottom of the swimming pool. It

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<v Speaker 1>just sits there, right, It doesn't leave. You're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to find it in your neighbor's empty swimming pool, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's always going to be in that pool. And the

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<v Speaker 1>barrier in this case is the edge of the swimming pool.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, like, if you don't touch it, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't push it, if the wind doesn't blow, it is

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<v Speaker 1>just going to stay there. That's right exactly. And you

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<v Speaker 1>expected to stay there. You don't expect to come by

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<v Speaker 1>one day and find it in your neighbor's swimming pool. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is that if something does disturb it, like a

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<v Speaker 1>raccoon comes by and pushes it, it's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>roll back down to the bottom of the pool again. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the idea. That's right exactly, because the

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<v Speaker 1>walls of the pool are the barrier, right, That's where

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about. It's a potential barrier. And if a

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<v Speaker 1>raccoon comes and pushes it, you know, and he pushes it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as hard as a raccoon can. Then it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna roll up, and then it's gonna roll back down,

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<v Speaker 1>and it might roll back up the other side, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's never gonna roll higher than it then it went originally, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's just gonna eventually relax down to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the swimming pool. And so if you don't give it

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<v Speaker 1>enough energy to go over the lip, then it's trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in the pool. Right, It's never going to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the pool unless it has enough energy to go

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<v Speaker 1>up and over the edge of the swimming pool, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's the barrier, like that's the wall, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And your intuition says it's trapped, right, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>give enough energy, it's never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever going to end up in your neighbor swimming pool, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where your intuition says, right, unless there are some

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<v Speaker 1>really strong raccoons. But that's what different. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of neighborhood this is with all these empty

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<v Speaker 1>swimming pools and like tough gangs of raccoons pushing bowling balls.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're to get out quite the science fiction dystopia here.

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<v Speaker 1>But Yeah, you don't expect it to ever be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of the pool by itself. That's right,

0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>exactly that barrier you can consider it to be perfect. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The only way um to the next swimming pools to

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<v Speaker 1>go over the barrier. Right, You can never go through

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<v Speaker 1>the barrier. These raccoons are not tough enough to throw

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<v Speaker 1>the bowling ball like and crush the ground and get

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<v Speaker 1>through it. Right. Wait, what are their Swiss raccoons and

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<v Speaker 1>they dig a tunnel? Yeah, or they're like superhero raccoons

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<v Speaker 1>like um in one of those Marvel movies system, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>there some super raccoon or is he just look like

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<v Speaker 1>a raccoon and he's not actually a raccoon and never

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<v Speaker 1>actually in genetically modified raccoon aliens that look like human

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<v Speaker 1>like Earth raccoons And never quite figured that one out.

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<v Speaker 1>But we digress, we do, we do digress. That's the analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Think instead of the bowling ball, think of

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<v Speaker 1>an electron. And then when we talk about barriers, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you know, barriers to that electron. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>made by other particles, you know, protons or something that

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<v Speaker 1>would repel it, right, something that would you would build

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<v Speaker 1>to try to keep the electron localized like a little trap,

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a little magnetic field. Maybe he is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping it trapped or something. Yeah, a little magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>or electrostatic potential or something anything you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>trap an electron. And people do this, right, they want

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<v Speaker 1>to study individual electrons or individual ions. They build atom

0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.800
<v Speaker 1>traps the pretty cool um and so people actually do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also a good case study for quantum mechanics

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<v Speaker 1>because it helps us think about how these things work

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<v Speaker 1>and don't work. So it's a it's a very popular

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<v Speaker 1>sort of junior level quantum mechanics problem in college. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. You put the electron in this little well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a barry. It's like a swimming pool,

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<v Speaker 1>and you think, if the electron doesn't have enough energy

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<v Speaker 1>to go over the edge, then it's trapped, right, just

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<v Speaker 1>like the bowling ball. If it doesn't have enough energy,

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<v Speaker 1>how could it ever get into the neighboring swimming pool. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing you find is that even though it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough energy, sometimes it appears is in your neighbor's

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<v Speaker 1>swimming pool. Like it gets through that barrier. It appears

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<v Speaker 1>in the adjacent well. Like if you have a series

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<v Speaker 1>of these um potential wells, you know, these these little

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<v Speaker 1>traps made for electrons, and you put it in one,

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<v Speaker 1>you come back the next day and find it in

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<v Speaker 1>the next one. Even though it didn't have enough energy

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<v Speaker 1>to go over that barrier, even though it was trapped

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<v Speaker 1>by a magnetic field, it somehow slipped out, yes, exactly,

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.719
<v Speaker 1>And so that's the that's what we call quantum tunneling. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>how did it get through the barrier? In principle, the

0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.639
<v Speaker 1>barrier should be should bar it, right, that's what barriers do.

0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.280
<v Speaker 1>It should borrow it from passing, just the way you're

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<v Speaker 1>the ground does, the end of the swimming pool does.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is why does an electron not get stuck, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because if it tried to move, the field would push

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it back into the trap. But somehow it's able to

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<v Speaker 1>live out or create a tunnel exactly exactly. And your

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<v Speaker 1>instinct might be to say, well, maybe like momentarily goes

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<v Speaker 1>over the barrier, like you know, I don't know Heisenberg

0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Uncertainty blog blog. You know, maybe it borrows a little energy,

0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.639
<v Speaker 1>momentarily gets over the barrier. Right. That's tempting because you

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<v Speaker 1>want to think of the barrier as working, and so

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to think that if it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the other well, is somehow has to go over.

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't, right, it can't. It's a conservation of energy,

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 1>so that that explanation doesn't work. The electron doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>more energy momentarily magically, it um it's just on one

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<v Speaker 1>side of the barrier and then it's on the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Like zoos didn't come down and touch the bowling ball

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<v Speaker 1>and push it into the other swimming pool. That's impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. We're assuming that there's no other source of energy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it never has enough energy to go over

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the swimming pool and into the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>So the only way to the other swimming pool is

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<v Speaker 1>to tunnel, is to go through the barrier. And then

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<v Speaker 1>once it's out and on the other side of the barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>does it stay there or does it sometimes pop back

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<v Speaker 1>in or does it fly off? At that point it

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.919
<v Speaker 1>pop it pops back in. Yeah, it can pop back

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<v Speaker 1>in and it can go to the next one. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The point it is that you can never really trap

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<v Speaker 1>an electron. And the reason is not that it goes

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<v Speaker 1>over the edge, and the reason is not really teleportation, right,

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 1>And the reason is that these these barriers and a

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<v Speaker 1>quantum level are just different than the barriers we have

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<v Speaker 1>here at the macroscopic level, and electrons are different from

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<v Speaker 1>bowling balls. Right. We like to think of them that

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.440
<v Speaker 1>way because it's useful, because the way we understand the

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.400
<v Speaker 1>unknown is to do it in terms of the known.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the end, these things can do things, These

0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.359
<v Speaker 1>quantum mechanical things can do things that the classical things,

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<v Speaker 1>the macroscopic things that we're familiar with, just can't do.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of those things is the electron. It has

0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 1>a chance to just ignore the barrier. It's like every

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.879
<v Speaker 1>time it goes up against the barrier, a die is

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<v Speaker 1>rolled and if it comes up you know, all sixes,

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like, haja barrier, I get to ignore you. You

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 1>said every time it goes up against the barrier, Meaning

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<v Speaker 1>is it like it's always pushing against the barrier or

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<v Speaker 1>is it like a continual roll to die or what? No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good point, And the way I was speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, it's wrong because I was talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>like having a classical path, like it has a position

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<v Speaker 1>and a velocity at every moment. In reality, it's motion

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<v Speaker 1>is governed by this wave equation, right, the wave function

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<v Speaker 1>that we used to describe where it is, and that

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<v Speaker 1>tells us where it's more likely to be and where

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>it's less likely to be. And we know that for

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<v Speaker 1>it to get from one side of the barrier to

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<v Speaker 1>the other, it has to go through the barrier. We

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<v Speaker 1>know this because it can be inside the barrier. Like

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<v Speaker 1>in principle that should be impossible, right, like, how do

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.439
<v Speaker 1>you how can you be inside the barrier? You're not

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<v Speaker 1>breaking the bearer, The bear is not destroyed, but it

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<v Speaker 1>can sort of like defy the barrier, can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ignore the barrier. It has a probability to just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like shrug off the barrier the way a teenager

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>shrugs off a curfew. You know. So the trap, the

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 1>magnetic field that trap is traveling the electron doesn't affect

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the probability of where the electron can be, or it

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.720
<v Speaker 1>does doesn't. It doesn't it like squeeze the probability cloud

0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of the electron or something like that. It totally does.

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.360
<v Speaker 1>It affects it, but it can't trap it completely. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just impossible to trap it completely unless the barrier is

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<v Speaker 1>infinitely high, the barrier is infinitely strong, then the electron

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>is totally trapped. But as long as the barrier is

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<v Speaker 1>not infinite, right, imagine the swimming pool. It's infinitely deep,

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 1>then the quantum mechanical bowling ball can't get out. But

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.400
<v Speaker 1>if the if it's even if it's super high, it's

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a billion miles high, but not infinite, then the quantum

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>mechanical one can get to the other side. It just

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>has a chance. But you're right, it does affect that

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it squeezes those probabilities. The probabilities are shaped by the barrier.

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>But you're saying there's still a little tiny probability that

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it's going to jump over, not jump over, but go through, right,

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 1>And the probability is smaller if as the barrier gets wider,

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's smaller as the barrier gets taller, So that

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>that all makes sense. The thing that's confusing is like,

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 1>how do you explain what it's doing in the barrier?

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 1>Is it just like ignoring the barrier and you just

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.200
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to avoid the barrier. It's it's hard

0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 1>to come up with a sort of like an intuitive

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>under standing of what it's doing there you know, it's

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's in the Noman's land. It's in the place

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>where nothing should be, but there it is, right is it?

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Because the bowling ball is not really a bowling ball, right,

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>it's more like a cloud, kind of like a like

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a fog. And you're saying, sometimes the fog can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of extend and kind of appear on the other side

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of the swimming pool. If you measure an electron, you say, okay,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>it's in my trap, and then you ask where is

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>my electron likely to be in one second? Then most

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 1>likely it's to be it's going to be in the trap.

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit of probability it's going to be

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 1>in the barrier, and there's a little bit of probability

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be in the next one. Right, it's

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.239
<v Speaker 1>going to be in the next trap. So you know,

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 1>after you know where electron is, that doesn't tell you

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 1>where it is necessarily a second later. It's just you

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>have a probability distribution of where you're going to find it,

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and we can candulate those probabilities using the Shortinger equation.

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>But that's again, that's just a description of what we

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>have observed. Right, the exhorting equation itself is not an explanation.

0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just like a mathematical formulation the success He describes

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.719
<v Speaker 1>what we've observed. Oh, I see, it's a probability of

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>where it's going to be if you measure it. So

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.959
<v Speaker 1>if you measure it, there's a tiny little probability you're

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>going to measure it in your neighbor's pool. Yes, exactly.

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's tempting to think, oh, well, that's just particles. Right,

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>particles are here, and then particles are their. Right, that's

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>not the property that allows the electron to quantum tunnel. Right.

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 1>You can have that property in an infinitely deep swimming

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 1>pool where electrons can't tunnel, right, an infinitely deep potential well, right,

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the electrons can't get out. That's the only one that

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>can completely hold them. But in now well, electrons can

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>still be here and then later be over there, and

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>then later be over here, as long as you're still

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:45.120
<v Speaker 1>within the well. But if the wall is not infinitely high,

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>then there there's a probability that randomly it's gonna ignore

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>or jump over the barrier and be on the other side.

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 1>If you measure that's right, not jump over, but go through, right,

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>jumping over means why not jump over? Well, jumping over

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.639
<v Speaker 1>means don't really know, right, you do not like he

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was hit inside and then it was outside, and you

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You don't really know what the path it

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>took to get outside, right. Well, to get over, it

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>would need to have enough energy to go over the barrier, right,

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and that energy has to come from somewhere, and we

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>have energy conservation in our universe, and so it can't

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>go over the barrier, right. It's like the raccoon pushing

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the bowling ball. If it doesn't have enough energy to

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 1>push it over the lip, it's just never going to

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 1>go over the lip. Um. And the reason this works,

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>we can do the calculations, and the reason it works

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>is because the electron is in the barrier. Like bear,

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 1>quantum barriers are just different from classical barriers. They're sort

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of optional. You just always have a chance to ignore them,

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you know. It's like a speed traps. Sometimes the copsies

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>you and sometimes he doesn't. But if you find it

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<v Speaker 1>inside the barrier, doesn't it mean it gained a whole

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>bunch of energy. No, it can be inside the barrier,

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>meaning that it doesn't have enough energy to be there.

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's there anyway, where does the probability come from?

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like for it to be probable,

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 1>He's who have some sort of physical explanation, doesn't it. Yeah,

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And the explanation is that the bowling ball analogy is

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 1>wrong because this is not a bowling ball and these

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>are not a swimming pool. It's a weird, lobby, wavy,

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>fuzzy thing that can do this thing that no bowling

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>ball or swimming pool can do. And the barrier also

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>is a little fuzzy, right that you can't build a

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>perfectly strong barrier unless it's infinitely high um. In quantum mechanics,

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>barriers are not the same as swimming pools, right, that

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>they're different. And so the analogy breaks down, and these

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>things can do things that that the things were familiar

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>with can't do, and one of them is that sometimes

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>they sort of ignore each other. With that, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a break. We'll be back in just a short minute.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>But um, and the interesting thing is that it's not

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>just electrons, right, like you're talking about all particles. Oh yeah,

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 1>electrons are just the simplest case, But any quantum mechanical particle,

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>any particle that's motion is primarily described by like the

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.479
<v Speaker 1>shortening air equation. So single particles or ions or nuclei,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>whatever these things can do this also we see it

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>all over the place. It's actually an important part of

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>loss of physical processes that we know and love. Well.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting to think about the idea that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these walls in the room that I'm in

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>um are sort of just barriers to right, Like they're like,

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>what's preventing my hand from going through the wall. It's

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>not just my inner peace, but uh, it's it's like

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic forces between my hand and the wall exactly.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And that, as you say, is a quantum mechanical barrier.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Like the very tip of your finger. Imagine that's an electron.

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>When it approaches the wall, it meets a barrier, a

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>barrier made by the electrons in the wall, and that's

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>what doing the repulsion. And so you're right, there's a

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>tiny chance so that first electron is just going to

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.479
<v Speaker 1>go right through the barrier instead of bouncing off of it,

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and I might lose that one electron from my finger,

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you might, Or there's an even tinier chance that the

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>next set of particles will will quantum tunnel through, and

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>an even tinier chance that also the next ones will.

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>So there's some non zero chance that you'll put your

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>hand through the wall without breaking the wall. That's crazy.

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>It's it's non zero chance that I can walk through,

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>or do I walk through the wall or appear on

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the other side or both. I know this would be

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a horge quantum tunneling through the wall. Yeah, there's totally

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a non zero chance. Now you could stand there all day,

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>your whole life, walking into walls and not successfully go

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:45.959
<v Speaker 1>through it. And I'm pretty sure that would be your

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>experience because the probabilities we're talking about are ridiculously tiny, Like,

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 1>for these barriers are pretty tall, and there's lots of

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>particles and have to happen for all of them, and

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>so it's basically impossible, but not technically exactly zero. So

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>there is a possibility, Daniel, that you're sitting right there

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>where you are will suddenly find yourself on the other

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>side of the wall that's in front of you, right exactly.

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>There is a possibility I could quantum tunnel into the

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>bathroom or whatever. Let's say it happens right now. Proof

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>would you say you teleported to a battle. I mean,

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the difference between that and actually teleporting. Well,

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>we did a whole episode about teleportition, remember, and we

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>decided that teleportition is impossible while this is possible. And

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's really tempting to connect this this um

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>idea of tunneling with the concept that part of quantum

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>particles can sort of skip their way through life, right,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't need to exist at every moment, sort of

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>they're here and then they're there and the other thing.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And so if you want to call this telepartition, then

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>every particle is teleporting all the time, right, So that's

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>my problem with it. It's like this is a natural

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>thing that particles are always doing, even without barriers, Like

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>even a particle in an infinite box is doing this

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of skipping thing because it doesn't exist between the

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>moments you're observing it. So if this is teleprotation, then

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that's teleprotation also, and everything is constantly teleporting. You're saying

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that you don't want to call it teleprotation, not because

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not teleprotation, which I would argue maybe it is experientially,

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>but it's just that if you call it teleprot teleportation,

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it would sort of the dilute or or break the

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>definition of teleprotation. Yeah, if this is teleprotation, then we're

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>all teleporting all the time. So if everyone is nice,

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>then nobody's nice. It's kind of right, like it's the

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>teleporters quantum dilemma exactly, all right, So that that that

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that makes a bit more sense. And quantum tunneling is

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>really important, like it happens in the sun. If you

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>want nuclear fusion to happen, the kind of thing that

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>powers the sun, that generates all that light that you

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>know makes you look so nice and tan and grows

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>all that food that you eat, then you need these

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>particles to be able to quantum tunnel through some of

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the potential barriers that they face. You know, particles infusion

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>don't like to touch each other, right because nuclei are

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>both positively charged because of all the protons. So to

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>get them to fuse, you have to push them together,

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're repelling each other, and that's a barrier. So

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you've got to get them sometimes through that barrier in

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>order to do the fusion. And you're saying sometimes they

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>tunnel to that, but mostly do they mostly get pushed

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>together or do they actually tunneled together. I think it's

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>some of both. I mean, the center of the sun

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>is so hot and so dense that these particles can

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>just sort of overcome the cool embarrier like they have

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 1>enough energy. But definitely, um tunneling is an important part

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of it, Like fusion wouldn't be the fusion we know

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and love without quantum tunneling. If everything is fusion, then

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>nothing is fusion. That's what you're saying. That's right, that's

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the theme today, right, label everything um. And there are

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>other effects, like you know, back to electrons. Electrons don't

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>like to stay in little traps, but if you're building

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>chips for computers, then you'd like your electrons to be

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in certain places you want to know, like hey, this

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>transistor is all on or this transistor is off or whatever.

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And and it gets harder and harder to make transistors

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>be reliable as they get smaller and smaller, because you

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>get dominated by these quantum effects, and these little traps

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>get smaller and smaller, and electrons like to jump out

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.719
<v Speaker 1>of them, and you don't want your ones in your

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>computer to suddenly switch into zeros. And so this actually

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>is a big effect in miniaturizing transistors, which is a

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 1>big effect in speeding up your iPhone. At some point,

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.239
<v Speaker 1>if you make electronics small enough, the quantum effects are

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna totally miss everything up. Yeah, exactly. Quantum mechanics messes

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>it up again, bummer, Why can't they just be elect

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>strikes out. Quantum mechanics strikes out again. Why can't we

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<v Speaker 1>just use little bowling balls and tiny little swimming pools

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<v Speaker 1>instead of electrons? Sorry, and bowling striking is good, so

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<v Speaker 1>it wins. Yeah, it strikes out, exactly. You brought a

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<v Speaker 1>full circle. They're very nice, all right. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much quantum tunneling. It's this idea that particles are

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<v Speaker 1>all quantum, and as such, they have these weird fuzzy

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<v Speaker 1>uh location right, They're not in any particular place, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's impossible to trap a particle because it's fuzzy

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<v Speaker 1>and it might slip out. That's right. Quantum barriers are

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<v Speaker 1>just different from the ones you're familiar with, the work

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<v Speaker 1>under different rules, and those rules have little random exceptions

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<v Speaker 1>to them, so sometimes they can just be ignored and

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird and it's confusing, and your intuition breaks down.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also wonderful because it shows you how the

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<v Speaker 1>world works at a smaller level. Right, it reveals to

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<v Speaker 1>you where your intuition is wrong, and that that means

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<v Speaker 1>that it's showing you the truth of the universe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the truth is bowling. Exactly. The truth

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<v Speaker 1>is quantum bowling. This episode brought to you by the

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<v Speaker 1>American Bowling Association. Yeah, exactly. But so that's what happens

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<v Speaker 1>at the microscopic level, but on the larger level, we

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<v Speaker 1>we can't do that because you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of lactrons in my hand, and the chance that all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are going to quantum tunnel at this time

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<v Speaker 1>it's just almost zero. Yeah, exactly. Like if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>chance for you to roll a one million sided die

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<v Speaker 1>and get zero, you know that's probably can happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you have to do that for a million die

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<v Speaker 1>all at once um and get the same answer, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically very improbable, almost impossible. So you the macroscopic

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<v Speaker 1>stuff sort of gets averaged out, but still possible. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still possible. Absolutely, you could quantum tunnel through the walls

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<v Speaker 1>and not counted as teleportation. All right, It's just what

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<v Speaker 1>quantum stuff does Yeah, yeah, drives them physicists crazy. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it excites us. Is it's wonderful. We're always looking for

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<v Speaker 1>weird quantum effects that show us how the universe works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's a it's a it's what we

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<v Speaker 1>what we live for, these little moments. All right, Well,

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