1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to unplugged. I hope everybody is good. We 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: got a good one today. One of my friends in NBA, 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: super OG, super unk Vet Taj Gibson. I'm now sitting 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: down with the former enemy. No I'm playing. Although he's 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: a Trojan, I don't hold no, I don't hold no 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: beef towards him. But current just signed a two year 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: deal with the Memphis Grizzlies. You're a triple og. Now 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: they call you unc or Grandpa in the locker room 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: what they call you bro? The show's Taj Gibson Unk 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: call you unk. Yes, sir, all congratulations, man, congratulations. So 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: two year deal. You're currently forty years old, right, yep, yep. 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: It made me smile when I hear about this because 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: I know you and I both came into a league 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: that had guys your age on teams consistently, and whether 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: they were contributing on the court, they were instrumental in 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: just bridging the gap with young players conversations with the 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: coaching staff. I know, and you've exemplified this throughout your career. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: You've always been a great leader, whether you're the best 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: player on the team such in college or a role 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: player in the league. You've always been someone who leads 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: by example. So tell me what it was like. Break 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: it down. When you got the phone call, what happened? 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Where are you now, and what's the deal? 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: Be honest with you. I was home. 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: I was, you know, just having that that like that 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: that thought, just like every athlete has at the end 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: of their career, like, yo, I think I'm done. I 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: don't know if I can do this again. What can 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: I offer to a team? And I got a phone 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: call and I didn't my agent when he called me, 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: I was like, you know that when that phone called, 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: that second called, and that third call, I'm like, what 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: do you want? 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: Man? 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: Call? He was like, yo, quote and let me holler 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: at you. I'm like, are you serious about this? I 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: think I got a team that's that really could use 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: your service. 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: And what you think? 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: I said, of course, I thought about when I watch 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: the the Colts this this year at the end of 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: the season, seeing Rivers come, and he really light lit 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: a fire for me because when he said why not, 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: his biggest thing is why not? 45 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: With you're playing? I got so many young kids. 46 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: I try to teach so many lessons to back home, 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: and they always ask me. You're never scared, you never worried, 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: and I'm just always eager to just jump into the 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: fire because you never know, never know what God's holding 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: for you. And I always come with an open heart. 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: And I love my teammates, I love I love the NBA. 52 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: I loved the game of basketball because such a good brotherhood. 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: And again when I came into the league, you was 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: one of those one of those vets that all I 55 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: can always count on this chopping up with you, and 56 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 3: you always just relax, like relax the whole situation, like yo, 57 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: I got one hundred dollars from the game. 58 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: What's up? 59 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: I'm like, he's you know, I want to be just 60 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: like this guy when I get that age and then 61 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: that again again. 62 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: For real now congratulations again. Like I said, it makes 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: me happy because I feel like the league lacks leadership 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: like yours. You know, this reminds me of you know, 65 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: Eudonna's Haslam Andre Iguidala towards the end of his career. 66 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm probably missing ah. You know, DeAndre Jordan 67 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: got called earlier this year to New Orleans. But again, 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, as great as the league is, 69 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those older guys that they wants 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: to downplay the league, but I just feel like it 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: misses veteran leadership. But as far as veteran leadership goes 72 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: new to a team, the team's obviously struggled a little bit. 73 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: What do you still got left in the take? As 74 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: far as the kneecaps getting on the court, though, is 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: what I want to know. 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: Man, I caught a couple of dunks today and the 77 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: young boy is just happy for me. 78 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, the main thing, Matt is like, when you come, 79 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: when I come in, I'm so blessed when not coming 80 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: to situations, I've been around the wrong time. I'm not 81 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: trying to prove anything to anybody. The first thing that 82 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: they say to me is just be yourself. And when 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: I when I hear that, I'm I'm just targed. And 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: I come into the locker room, I come into the floor, 85 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: I'm coming to the gym. I'm telling them, let's work. 86 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: I'm here to work with y'all. Man, Let's just grind, 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: let's get better. Don't worry about all the other stuff. 88 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: I'm here to work. Let's get this journey. Let's get 89 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: this journey popping. And I'm here to you. I'm a 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: part of your journey and I'm blessed to be here, 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: and they respect it. And for example, practice was great, 92 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: and every day I'm out here, we having fun. Man, 93 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: That's the whole thing about it, having fun and getting 94 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: better and taking advantage of the opportunity. We have so 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: many young guys with a great opportunity in front of them, 96 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: and my job as a VET is to help them 97 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: get to that next level. 98 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm here. 99 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, this is a very interesting team. This 100 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: was probably maybe we go back three years. This was 101 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: a team that the world was like, Okay, it's only 102 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: a matter of time until this team takes off with 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: a young job Triple J who since moved on. What 104 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: obviously this team is three and a half games out 105 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: of the tenth playing spot. What's kind of your focus 106 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: as you come into a new setting, As you said, 107 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: you're in Minnesota right now. You guys play tonight, right, yeah, 108 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: we played tonight. You guys played Minnesota tonight. So you know, 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: as as as a new guy, but a VET coming 110 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: into a new team, like, how do you lead? Is 111 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: it by voice? Is it by example? Because again I 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: know you and and you're obviously you're very cognizant of 113 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: your surroundings and how to move as an older player 114 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: coming into a new younger team. How do you how 115 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: are you going to maneuver around and really feel your 116 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: best at leading with this new team. 117 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: Well, I just try to lead by example first. You know, 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: you don't try to just just come. 119 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: Into the room. 120 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: Is just because you got a lot of that through 121 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: the years. You got a lot of guys come in 122 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: to locker room and you hit them, just talk a 123 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: lot of fluff. I try to just be a positive, 124 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: a positive example of just putting in the work, listening 125 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: to the coach, being there for the coach first. And 126 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: then after practice, you're gonna run some sprints with me, 127 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: and we're gonna play one on one no matter how 128 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: I am, We're going to get it in. And then 129 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: you're going to have that respect because you know, I 130 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: always tell the guys, even when I did the MVP 131 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: A camp with your kids this summer, I always tell them, 132 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: don't look at me as that player, like the older 133 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: of that older that just look at me as unk. 134 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: Look at me at that uncle that didn't make it, 135 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: that really loves you. And I'm here to help you, 136 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: and that's where they each team I go to. That's 137 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: how it always goes. And it's always family. I's always family. 138 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you one good thing that you have 139 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: to look forward to. And I think sometimes mephic it's 140 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: a bad rap and I had kind of a I 141 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't say distorted. I just had a different view of 142 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: Memphis until I actually got there and bro it was 143 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. Southern hospitality. People were great. Obviously, 144 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: there's not a ton of stuff going on out there, 145 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: so the Grizzlies are absolutely everything. They got good food 146 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: out there. I really think you're gonna enjoy yourself, especially 147 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: at this point of the crew. I know if you've 148 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: golfed a lot, but they got some golf courses out there. 149 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: But who were some of the more influential guys early 150 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: on in your career that kind of helped calm you 151 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: and bridge the gap between college and the pros And 152 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: what's it like to be a pro. 153 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: Man when you you on how to you to understand 154 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: me and you both understand. It's in La and a summer. 155 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: I was always in LA and seeing gods like you, 156 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: Paul Pierce, KG Al Harrington like car those booz are 157 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: like I got my ass kicked every day, but I 158 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: was always dead like asking questions and and God's respected that, 159 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: and I always came to love and I don't know, 160 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: it's just God always just puts me in these spaces 161 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: with genuine good dudes bed like the the NBA. 162 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: Has been so good to me and still to this. 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: Day when I even when I see you, you always 164 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: give me that love and and that's a testament to 165 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: our brotherhood. 166 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Absolute. So this will be this is your wet for. 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: You seventeen seventeen. 168 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: Man, I can't get no more pension manx. 169 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Max You've max stablished it. That's because a lot of 170 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: dudes are fighting to get that pension and you maxed 171 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: the pension out. So that's your set for life. Congratulations 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: with that. Not too long ago, you guys reconnected as 173 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: a bulls community to retire Derreck Rose Jersey. Tell me 174 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: what that day was like, and then I want to 175 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: hear a little bit about what it was like playing 176 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: with him. 177 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: Well, that day was special, you know what I'm saying. 178 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: Just to come back to the city that basically gave 179 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: me my stripes and helped me earn my stake in 180 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: this NBA for so many years. It was really emotional 181 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: seeing all the people that you grew up with, people 182 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: of the city, because you understand, our team was not 183 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: just a regular team. We were a team that was 184 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: outside like if you were in the early parts of 185 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: the NBA, the early two thousands of late teams, each 186 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: team was outside together, and we was a and the 187 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: embody of that like. And Derek was the man in 188 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: the city, so we everywhere he went, we was dead. 189 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: So the city was just like our real sanctuary because 190 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: we never really left and we embraced the city. And 191 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: it was just good to be back in this just 192 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: seeing that how far I've come as a man, be 193 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 3: able to just be able to speak talk, And I'll 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: give that a testament to Chicago, all Chicago. 195 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Playing with Derek Rose, you got early prime, one of 196 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the greatest players we had seen at the time, one 197 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: of the most athletic guards, really no holes in this game. 198 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: He looked like a silent leader. I don't really know 199 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: d ros brother from the outside. Looking at it, it 200 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: looked like someone who led by example, get left it 201 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: all on the court. What was it like playing with 202 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: the young d rose Man. 203 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: Listen, that's all fluff because in practice he's talking. Because 204 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: I was always on the most, I had to split 205 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: time between the second unit and the start, between me. 206 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: And Bull, me and Booze. 207 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: But every every day he would be the main one talking. 208 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: Then Joe Keem would be right behind him. Yeah, pooh, 209 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: yeah kill. I'm killing every day. I'm just stressed out, 210 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: like yo, bro, I'm gonna get it. We're gonna get 211 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: a win. 212 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: And this the athleticism. 213 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: Like people think he's quiet, but once you really go 214 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: through something and go through the ups and downs with 215 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: a long season with a player, you really start to 216 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: see the ins and outs of man. And I was 217 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: blessed to be so close enough that we really became family. 218 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: We really became brothers. Even though I cracticed Jaw a 219 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 3: couple of times in practice and I was questioning while 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: I was gonna get traded the next day, but everything 221 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: worked out. 222 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Question you brought up something that I love talking about. 223 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: In those early two the mid two thousands, you know, 224 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: early teens of the two thousands, the ones versus the 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: twos used to be better than what people would see 226 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: on TV. 227 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: Facts. 228 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: Hands down, those were wars. Those were fights. Those were 229 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: fucked that. Now we're not done, coach, We're gonna play 230 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: one more game. What were those battles like? Because you 231 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: guys had a really deep Chicago team, so I can 232 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: only imagine those those those those ones and twos during 233 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: practice were it. 234 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: It was hell because you're thinking about we got a 235 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: young Tibbs. Imagine TIBs not back then you think he 236 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: was he was tough. Now imagine that back then when 237 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: we ain't have no regulations, we didn't have no strict timing, 238 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: no large no large training staffs. So then you're dealing 239 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: with the tips factor. Like and TIBs is that guy 240 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: like here he pumping every He's he's gassing the situation 241 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: up every day. Ah, you're gonna let the first team 242 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: destroy you guys again. You got you guys getting thrown 243 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: around like rag dolls. And then you got Carlos in 244 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: the back of his mind, he's hearing the chatter. Joe 245 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: Keem is the biggest uh ship talking the whole NBA. 246 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: He's like, yeah every day he's copying, Yeah, TG, y'all 247 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: not doing today. I'm like a couple of times I 248 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: tried to fight. I'm like yo, and That's how it 249 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: had to be. That's how it had to be. Every 250 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: time in practice we went out it we tried to fight, 251 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: we tried to scrap because we had to go against 252 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: guys like y'all and the Clippers. We had to go 253 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: against the top of the top every day. It was 254 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: no hose ball. That was some of the best basketball 255 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: in my life. And that that really sent my whole 256 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: trajectory to how I carried every day in this life 257 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: as far as carrying in basketball, because you was going 258 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: to get smacked up in those early teams in the 259 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: early years, you was gonna get smacked up, beat up, 260 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: and then we're gonna talk about it after and uh, 261 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: that was that was real special. 262 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: I want to ask about someone who I think is 263 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: just unsumber uh and you've mentioned his name a couple 264 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: of times and probably sound like me to one of 265 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: the heartbeats of the team joke, Kim Noah, what was 266 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: he like? As he was a little bit older than 267 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: you right now, we've run the same age, the same 268 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: age for me, okay, So what was like with him? 269 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he was someone that I've befriended and I'm 270 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: actually really good friends with now. Post career, and I 271 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: wish I would have get a chance to know him 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: during your career because I think we're really similar, uh 273 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: in the way we just moved. But what was it 274 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: like with him every day? Uh? In practice, on the road, 275 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: in the games. 276 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: It was it was special, man, because Joe Keem's that 277 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 3: teammate that he's going to put that battery in your 278 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 3: back and he loves his ship. 279 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: Talk all day. So he's goning. 280 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: He's really turned up. But he's a great leader man. 281 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: The way he's the way he used to like really 282 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: amp us up when we even lost Derek for all 283 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: those years, like we really had to being together and 284 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: he was one of the sparks. But Joe Keem's that teammate. 285 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: He always going to pull up to your room good bad. 286 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: And I gotta say, I remember Joe Kean pull up 287 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: to my room up and uh and he lit I 288 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: lit my first Jay with and I can't he calmed 289 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: me down. He's like, yo, I love it because hit 290 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: my nickname was Woo. They yoo calm down because I'm 291 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: like yo, I'm trying to get some minutes, but I'm 292 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: going up against a Priminum All Star on Booze, So 293 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: I gotta just wait my turn. So every day, like 294 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: as a rookie, as a young guy, you got he 295 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: coming to the lot, he coming to my hotel room, 296 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: He's like, yo. 297 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: All right, I'm like yeah, And then I remember that 298 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: day he's lit that l and it was changed your life, 299 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: changed my life. 300 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Boy. You ain't got to tell me. I got a question. 301 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Were you on the team when Booze put that shoe 302 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: dye on his head and made a hairline, Yeah, a 303 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: sweating durney. Uh tell me what were y'all killing him? 304 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: But y'all was cool because you know he was sensitive 305 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: about his ship. 306 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: Be honest, we said something afterwards, Uh boozs in type. 307 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: But here he okay, he like y'all y'all hat him. 308 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: Just look good, y'all y'all be like, all right, Booze, 309 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: I don't know about this one, but hey, I'm happy 310 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: he got through. 311 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: But that's gonna be that's classic for sure, classic for 312 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: show too much for that man. 313 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: That shit was no nasty. You obviously got a chance 314 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: to play with d Rose. Now you're on a team 315 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: with Jah. There's been a lot of comparisons to their games. Obviously, 316 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Jah is someone that I'm a huge fan of and 317 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: still wholehearty believing. I just feel like someone like you 318 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: particularly could be good if he allows you to kind 319 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: of embrace and come into his world, because it's never 320 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: really been the stuff on the court, has been the 321 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: noise off the court. But I know you're new there, 322 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: but kind of comparing and contrasting from what you've seen 323 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: on the outside of jaw. Do you see any comparisons 324 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: between him and him and d Rose. 325 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love everything about him. 326 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: I love how people don't understand when you play against 327 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: them and you really on the court, you see a 328 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: like Tyvey commands his team, how they embrace each other, 329 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: how they love and they play hard. But being a 330 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: point guard you got to be a leader. Being a 331 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: portgut you ought to be tough, and your teammates are 332 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: feud off that. But the main thing I would see 333 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: between him and Derek, and it's just the athleticism, but 334 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: the willingness to just try to be great. Like some 335 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: players they talk about trying to be great and doing 336 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: it what they gotta do, But that young man is 337 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: special and he's trying to put on He's really trying 338 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: to put on that for the city. You can tell, 339 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: and I'm blessed to be in a situation where i 340 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: can really lock on to him and have a good 341 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: conversation and build with him. That's the whole point about 342 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: this journey is just building. 343 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, That was one of the 344 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: first things that came to my mind outside of you're 345 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna surprisingly like Memphis, is that you're going to be 346 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: able to breathe on on on job, which I think 347 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: will definitely be a benefit to him if he allows 348 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: you in. So I'm hoping for the best. The somewhat 349 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: death of the power forward. You came into the league 350 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: when the power forward position was insane, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Pocosow, 351 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Chris David West, just to name a few. Dirk Nowitzki's 352 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: in there. Today that position is almost or somewhat extinct. 353 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: You know, they're playing threes at the four now and 354 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: some teams are going too bigs. What are your thoughts 355 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: out of position? You came into the league and had 356 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: to scratch and claw to earn minutes out and establish yourself, 357 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: and now that position is really non existent now. 358 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's just the way the game is 359 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: just just transformed. But the one thing about the game, 360 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 3: it's always going to tell you about what you need 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: to do, because one thing you can't match his size, 362 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: and the one thing you can't match is good post players. 363 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you're going to always 364 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: have to get those guys back. But you got it, 365 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: you got it. It's guys like Draymond Greeny change the game. 366 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: He kind of took that position away. But when I 367 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: came in, we had so much talent that we most 368 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: players ran through the four I had to get I 369 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: had to guard Antoine Jamison, Kevin Garnett, Josh Smith, Oh 370 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: my god, there's a nightmare, and Blake Griffin. Forget about it, Like, 371 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: what are we talking about here? But the game is 372 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: the game. When it comes to the physicality, they may 373 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: be a little shorter, they may be having to have 374 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: their little wiggle ring, but I think far as like 375 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: it's the physical aspect of the game is a little 376 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: bit dampered. 377 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you put your GM hat on right here, 378 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: because you've been around the game so long, and you 379 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: know some of these younger players. If you were asked 380 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: to help the twenty twenty eight Olympic team who were 381 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: two or three big that you really like to think 382 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: you would be able to that you think would represent 383 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: that team in the country. Well, hmmm hmm. 384 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: JD for sure. JD Durant for sure. He's tough. I 385 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 3: was withing in Detroit. He's a future He's a future 386 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: big of our of our big man and he's he's 387 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: he's there like he brings it every night and you 388 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 3: just tell by his physicality like he wants it. Bam 389 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: bam is for sure a high caliber uh all World five. 390 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 3: Now he went from being this a live threat, then 391 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: he went to a face up threat, then he went 392 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: to a handle face up threat. Now he's a pull 393 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: back three point threat. Our bigs are really uh like growing. 394 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 3: But again I can't take away from the young guys. 395 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: A lot of young guys coming up in the game. 396 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: But I would say j D Nurant for sure, that's 397 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 3: my young guy, and I really I watched him on 398 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: a consistent basic We got even Jack Eaton. But like 399 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: it comes down to who's going to be healthy. I 400 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: member every USA trial it always comes down to who's 401 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: going to be healthy. 402 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. The one thing I like about during is 403 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: he's just embraced his role. He does what he has 404 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: to do, goes out there, puts his hard head on 405 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: it to get paid with money. He's getting rewarded with 406 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: All Stars and he'll definitely be on that twenty eight team. 407 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: Have you got a chance to go against Winby yet? 408 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. 409 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 410 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: But what I like when I it was just it 411 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: was just crazy to understand like how total he was, 412 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: but how agile and how flexible he can just like 413 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: he just sold. He's just moved so flawlessly. But then 414 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 3: when you you really got to try to, like shoot 415 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: along mid range, get him out of your way, because 416 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: any shot he's grabbing out the air and he's taking 417 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: it to the house. 418 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: Grabbing it out the air. Literally, he's literally grabbed my 419 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: shot off the end. I was like, oh my god, 420 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm not doing that anymore. 421 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: Let me just scream do the O G rule screen 422 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 3: and roll, get an office of rebound. I don't want 423 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: no parts. 424 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, try to get him on a quick drop 425 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: off and put him in the rim. 426 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: Even if you grabbing it, even if it Man, he's 427 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: he's tough. 428 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: Man. 429 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: I really watching him, and I hope that he's able 430 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: to stay healthy because I think he's going to give 431 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: this world something we haven't really seen yet. And that's 432 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: that's that's saying a lot have you seen obviously, I'm 433 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: sure you saw the back and forth between Steve Kerr 434 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: and not playing Kaminga and then he was able to 435 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: get traded and the level he's playing at right now, 436 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: he's averaging twenty one and eight shooting nearly seventy percent 437 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: from the field. You've seen and you've personally been through 438 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: a lot of ups and downs with coaches and different schemes. 439 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: What would your advice be to a younger player that 440 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: is very talented but really just not getting the opportunity 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: to spread his wings jets such as Kaminga. What would 442 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: your advice be to guys like that? 443 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: Stay in the gym, steak, get you whatever circle you've got, 444 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: bringing in even closer circle all your wagons, because when 445 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: you got too many, when that's when things like that happen. 446 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: You tend to have a lot of outside Especially you 447 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: move into a new city, you you always go. When 448 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: you go out, you Goever, people you meet in that 449 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: new city that come around, they start giving you opinions 450 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: of how you should do this. You should do that. 451 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: Lock in with the people you've been down with. Lock 452 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 3: in and and tighten that bond, and just lock into 453 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: the gym. Don't don't do anything out of the order, 454 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: and just stay into your craft and good things will happen. 455 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: There's thirty teams in this league, and there's so many 456 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: people constantly watching, constantly having conversations, constantly worrying about the 457 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: next thing that's gonna happen. So that's my that's my 458 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: opinion on it. And again, lock in with a vet, 459 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: locking with somebody that you can really pull up to 460 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: their house. Really just ask some questions and be like, Yo, 461 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: what you think I should do? How I should handle it? 462 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: Because even to this day, I still call my vets. 463 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 3: I still asked Nazi Muhamma, and I still talk to 464 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: Kurt Thomas, I still talked to Joe Kim, and I'm like, 465 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: I asked these guys what you think I should do? 466 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: They asked me go for it, and I respect that 467 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: and I respect every time visit every time they're not 468 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: gonna they always tell me the real They are gonna 469 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: be my teammates and my friends. 470 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: First. 471 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: I love that. Well. I want to wish you the 472 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: best of luck on the basketball side, continue to represent 473 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: for the unks out there. But before we get out 474 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: of here, I want to welcome in one of your 475 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: teammates from another level or another side of the game, 476 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: one of your brothers to meet Floyd. I hope I 477 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: pronounced your name right. What's up, Bro? 478 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: How are you guys. 479 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: Happy to really hear about this again? Obviously we love 480 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: the basketball side, but the business of basketball is something 481 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: that Taz, you were able to hang on long enough, 482 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: because I know when you came in the league, we 483 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: wasn't really talking about business, you know, I mean, we 484 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: was talking about everything but business. But as the league 485 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: has grown to the business basketball now, business conversations are 486 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: more prevalent in the locker room, and you guys have 487 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: started something really special and we want you guys to 488 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: share that. So talk about what you guys have going on, 489 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: Taj and Tamik, and who's in your group and what 490 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: we can expect. 491 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, Matt, you know, thank you for 492 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: the opportunity, and it's definitely a pleasure to share this 493 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: with you on your platform. First and form, I have 494 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: to give my flowers to charge because our story is 495 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 4: you know, typical inner city kids growing up in the hood. 496 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 4: I didn't have a father figure, we didn't have any mentors. 497 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: And the project that we're part of our development companies 498 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: called GFB Development, which stands for Gibson, Floyd. 499 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: And Brown Brown. Malik Brown is our other partners. 500 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: So we all grew up in four green projects Downtown 501 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: Brooklyn and Boys and Girls Club that me and Targe 502 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 4: went to as kids from the age of ten playing 503 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: youth sports went under sell and a local developer purchased 504 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: a site and the community was in an uproar and 505 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: charging myself stepped in and wanted to be that bridge 506 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 4: to connect the dots and closing the gap right and 507 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: have the community feel good about what's to come. And 508 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: we partner with this company and read developing the Boys 509 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: and Girls Club, and the Boys and Girls Club went 510 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: they went for they had to file for bankruptcy because 511 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: they had like a sexual assault case and that was 512 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 4: one of the assets that were so that had they 513 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 4: had to sell off. But the bad part about it 514 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: was they didn't form the community in the right way. 515 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 4: They gave the community like a three week notice that 516 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 4: this property will no longer be here, and it's so 517 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 4: many families that depend on organizations like that. They got 518 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 4: to work, they need someone for their kids to go. 519 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: So it was only right for us to step in. 520 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: For two, it means a lot for Taging us to 521 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 4: have ownership in our neighborhood. 522 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: Right. 523 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: For so many years not we didn't know any better, right, 524 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: but now that we're in the room. So many developers 525 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: develop in urban areas and they don't evolve. 526 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 5: The community at all. So this is the opportunity. 527 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, so like the building go up, right, it's so 528 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: many condominiums in downtown Brooklyn. It looked like mini Manhattan. 529 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 4: But all these buildings don't service our community. It's no, 530 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: we don't have access to the amenities. There's no public 531 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: benefit for our people, and it's like we're always being 532 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 4: left behind. So this project that being charge, you know, 533 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: I was to be putting our name on the line, right, 534 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 4: being a part of it's like really having the community 535 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 4: involved and having a seat at the table. 536 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: Tag what does it mean for you to one do 537 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: something like this, but do something with your brother your 538 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: brothers that you grew up with and in this community. 539 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: And again being able to have your name and have 540 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: some equity in something like this. 541 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: Well, this guy right here, but he was, but he 542 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: was the one that took me to my first basketball team. 543 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: So we go way back and we've been through the 544 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: whole ups and downs of going uh, but it's it's 545 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: bigger than me, you know what I'm saying. 546 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Like I try each time I go back, like you 547 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: know how it goes back. 548 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: Well, all this money where we try to make all 549 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: the endorsers you get, I always put into my community 550 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: because I really believe in my community. And when it 551 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: comes to this, our community needs this, our kids ers needed, 552 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 3: our kids need this. Man, I go to our schools 553 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: in the local area. It's our funding isn't there. It's 554 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 3: our whole organization isn't right. And as a third generation 555 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 3: Brooklyn guy from Fort Green, I just had I felt 556 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: like it's time, and I got I'm just tired of 557 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: the narrative of just us being taken advantage of and 558 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: just to be here that really have my voice and 559 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: really standing on what I stand on in the meetings 560 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: and say how I feel and not feel judged. I'm 561 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: just like we were onto the next phase doing something 562 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: right for the neighborhood. But again, I always tell him, 563 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: it's not about me, it's not about him. It's not 564 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: about him. It's about the future of our community. 565 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 4: And another thing that like me and Todge, you know, 566 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: so we grew up as kids playing ball, and you know, 567 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: I went to college. I wasn't league, but I was 568 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 4: good over I could have played overseas, but my junior 569 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: college I lost my Aflecate scholarship. And then like after 570 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 4: he got drafted, I went to prison for ten years. 571 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: So it means a lot for us, for us, for 572 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 4: me to be in this position right to show growth 573 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 4: and to show kids that it's so many opportunities if 574 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: you really want to change. So the fact that charge, 575 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: you know, outside of him being my brother, he allowed 576 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: me to be to add to his platform and it's 577 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 4: bigger than basketball. To us, it's just Vascal is a 578 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: vehicle that got us out of our neighborhood, in our situation. 579 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 4: And so like we're grateful to be able, like to 580 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: just come on your platform and like really spreadsh awareness 581 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: of what we're doing and our goal is inspired in 582 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: next generation and that's what we love that. 583 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: So it sounds like the first step is revitalizing the 584 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: Boys and Girls club. What is And then you said 585 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: the overall goal is to inspire. But do you guys 586 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: have any other projects in the workings or ideas? After 587 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, God willing you guys get this boys and 588 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: girls club, black rolling and intertwined with the community, what 589 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: else do you guys have planned for your your city? 590 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 5: So I have to put respect on the project. 591 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 4: So we're so one of the agreements was to replace 592 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: the actual center. So we're gonna give the community a 593 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 4: free community, a free center, right, So we're gonna rebuild 594 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: a community center. But with that we have we're gonna 595 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 4: have three two mixed income buildings. So that mixed income 596 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: mean you have affordable housing with market rate housing, and 597 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: then we're gonna have one standalone senior housing which is 598 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 4: one hundred percent affordable. And there's an elementary school that 599 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: I went to as a kid. We refurbished in the 600 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: school as well, So we basically doing the whole block over, 601 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: you know, humbly speaking, And we're also bringing a cultural 602 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: art space and it's gonna be a home to an 603 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: African arts exhibits. But to answer your question, our goal 604 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: is to potentially create this model where community is really 605 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: the call of development and having them understand the process 606 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: of developed development and knowing what to actual and take 607 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: this model and potentially go to other cities. Like Targe 608 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 4: had a well decorated career which he's looked at. You know, 609 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: he's a good role model in other cities like Chicago. 610 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: He spent time in La So we want to continue, 611 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: like to move the needle. And it's funny that he's 612 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: in mephis because I actually have a relationship with Paul 613 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 4: Young and he's the mayor of Memphis, a black young guy. 614 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: So like just like being able to have those conversations 615 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: and see what's needed and our experience working in our neighborhood, 616 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: you know, try to just pass it along to the next. 617 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: I love it fellas well. Congratulations. We're definitely going to 618 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: have you guys back in to check on how the 619 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: progress is going and what's come of it and if 620 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: there's any way that this platform can help you guys. 621 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: Spread the word, connect dots, whatever you need from us, man, 622 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: we're here. But congratulations to you guys. 623 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: Appreciate you, bro, appreciate. 624 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: Go get the go, get the needs some sleep, bro, 625 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: you might want to get. 626 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: Right now. 627 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: Hey man, good luck, good luck to you guys. Uh, 628 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: it's a pleasure talking with you, and we'll talk again fellas. 629 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: All right, man, appreciate bro. 630 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: That's a wrap for Unplugged. You can asks us on 631 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the Draft Kings Network. 632 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week.