WEBVTT - How Entomophagy Works

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>from how Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Guess who's with me? Michael Douglas.

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<v Speaker 1>No Bryant even better than Michael Douglas, Less intense, a

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<v Speaker 1>little more laid back. Are you doing, Chuck, Well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of writers here at how stuff works dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>We got some stuff to share with you. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard him into fag? I have and try every part

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<v Speaker 1>of the world except Europe, Canada and the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so weird to me that that we we see

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<v Speaker 1>things so differently, right, I wouldn't need a bug. I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually considered it. I've read your article and I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking this would be an awesome, cool dinner party

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<v Speaker 1>to have, yeah, like have some normal food but also

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<v Speaker 1>have like fried cricket something like that. And the more

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about more, I was like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ever going to do this. Yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>almost ordered some uh for the article just too because

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<v Speaker 1>I could basically and I didn't. The story great one. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's get into this, shall we. Let's let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. You said Europe, America and Canada the only places.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Mexico, I didn't notice anyone eating bugs in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>It's big there, Okay, So I imagine that, Uh the

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<v Speaker 1>the there's regional differences based on the or is anyone

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<v Speaker 1>importing bugs, I guess? Or do people just generally eat locally?

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<v Speaker 1>You eat locally? And uh it's one reason people eat

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<v Speaker 1>bugs and actually we should call them insects, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>all over the world is because they're everywhere. They're cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>they're nutritious, and they prepare them to where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they enjoy the taste. Well, I know, yeah, bugs are

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Insects are definitely plentiful. But I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it would take a lot to to fill up like

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<v Speaker 1>I can eat like a side of eefan is sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>How many how many, like you know, caterpillars would it

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<v Speaker 1>take to phil a man like me. I've been described

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<v Speaker 1>as beefy by the way, for factor fiction listeners. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many caterpillars would take the filling

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<v Speaker 1>in Josh, imagine it's more than uh ten. I would imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you said, they are plentiful, so they are

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<v Speaker 1>well before we get into the whole modern uh into mafaji.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how you pronounced it. Um, we should talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the history, because they did this

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<v Speaker 1>all throughout the Bible. The Greeks and Romans ate beatle

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<v Speaker 1>larva and locusts, and even Aristotle ate cicadas. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed that I found strange was that in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible there's some food that's off limits. Plenty of bugs

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<v Speaker 1>are are perfectly fine to eat, locus especially. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>recurring over and over again when I read the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>last night, and um, there was some that was off limits,

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<v Speaker 1>like rabbit, rabbit, uh, pelicans. Interestingly, I think, yeah, rabbits.

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<v Speaker 1>Um you said pigs, mice, weasels, And yeah, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't eat a weasel. I neat a turtle. Turtle soup

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<v Speaker 1>is not bad. Um, This is all I mean. We

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<v Speaker 1>should say this is all Old Testament stuff, which I

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<v Speaker 1>know people that that subscribe to the Bible and its

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<v Speaker 1>teachings would tell you that the Old Testament isn't really

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<v Speaker 1>where it's at. It depends if you're of the judaic persuasion.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that you put a lot of stock in

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<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament. That's a good point, you know, also

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<v Speaker 1>called the Torah, right, But you can't eat those things

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Old Testament in Leviticus. But you can't

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<v Speaker 1>eat locusts and uh, grasshoppers and beetles. It's recommended. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know John the Baptist famously lived for months on

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<v Speaker 1>locust and honeycomb famously. Sure, so people have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this a long long time, Aborigine Aborigines in Australia have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing it for a long time and continue to

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<v Speaker 1>eat grubs and apparently grubs taste like roasted almonds. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to build ponds many life times ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was this kind of ongoing challenge. Yes, yes, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this ongoing challenge. Anybody who ate a grub, well

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<v Speaker 1>while we were digging, you know, became like the on

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<v Speaker 1>site you know, tough guy. Never saw anybody actually eat

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no never, never I saw one guy pretends to you,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was it. So yeah, these days, um, people

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<v Speaker 1>eat bugs. Like I said, they're plentiful, and by plentiful,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for more than fourteen hundred edible species of insect.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just the edible kind. That's and that's just species.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like there's fourteen hundred insects walking around we

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<v Speaker 1>can eat. I mean, how many millions or billions or

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<v Speaker 1>trillions of insects are there right now on planet Earth

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<v Speaker 1>that we could just pick up an eat a lot? Beatles?

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, there's close to three d and fifty kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of beetle alone that you can eat. And uh, ants, bees, wasps, butterflies, moss.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to interrupt you, Chuck. You said wasps, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people eat wasps diad I imagine, uh yeah, they generally

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<v Speaker 1>with they will with most of the winged creatures will

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<v Speaker 1>take off the wings and the legs and prepare them

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<v Speaker 1>like either on a secure like a roasted wasp, or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they're boiled and putting soup that kind of thing. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but the venom doesn't affect you once it's dead, or

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<v Speaker 1>does it add spice or what? What? What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's a good question. I didn't get get

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<v Speaker 1>to that my If you're just asking for my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say maybe if you eat it, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>bad for you. But if it's injected in your blood

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<v Speaker 1>streams or a stinger. It's probably a different kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's plenty of people out there for us to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed also that there's about three thousand ethnic groups

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<v Speaker 1>around the planet that consume bugs. They do, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a it's telling and interesting that you you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of delineated it like that these are ethnic groups

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<v Speaker 1>that eat this. It's it's not it's it's a cultural thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We could eat anything at any given point in time

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<v Speaker 1>unless we consider it disgusting, which we do even to

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<v Speaker 1>an extent, right because, as you said, crustaceans like or

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<v Speaker 1>not crustaceans. But I'm sorry, um lobster Arthur pods. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>lobsters and crabs are just a cousin of the spider basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, you pay a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>for a lobster to restaurant, and lobsters eat nasty stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kind of bottom dwellers and they eat a lot

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<v Speaker 1>worse things than spiders do, like license plates. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>the jaws did, I don't know, philostraphy linespit. Oh hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you. I've seen a couple of lobsters

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<v Speaker 1>that could have eaten the licensed plate. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all basically in the eyes of the beholder. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cultural taboo. And in European, Canada, the United States, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not so in the rest of the world they eat

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<v Speaker 1>In South America, did they eat tarantulas and scorpions. Scorpions,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of eating tarantulas. I had never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>that before. It's I got the impression that it's prepared

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<v Speaker 1>in such a way that the hair remains on the

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<v Speaker 1>the ingested part of the tarantula. It is. There's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a good quote, because I wasn't brave enough to to

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<v Speaker 1>find a tarantula or eat one, because spiders get the

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<v Speaker 1>corona out of me. But Peter Menzel, he's the author

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<v Speaker 1>of a book called Man Eating Bugs, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>a great description about eating a tarantula. Is, uh, if

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<v Speaker 1>day old chickens had no bones, hair instead of feathers,

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<v Speaker 1>and with the size of a newborn sparrow, they might

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<v Speaker 1>taste like tarantulas. So he really kind of lost me

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<v Speaker 1>at day old chicken. The old chicken doesn't sound that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the hair part that got me. That's just disconcerting,

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<v Speaker 1>I find. Yeah, I think the Americans aren't used to

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<v Speaker 1>eating anything that's Harry no I mean, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>eaten pigskin? I've eaten the pork rins? Is that counting?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever found like a hair like an Aaron hair? No?

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<v Speaker 1>That is it's troubling. But you know what, Josh, is

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<v Speaker 1>funny you should mention arrant hair because there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>book that you may not know about by the Food

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<v Speaker 1>and Drug Administration. You know which one I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the title, but I know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking The title really says it all. It's it's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Food Defect Action Levels, Levels of natural or unavoidable

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<v Speaker 1>defects and foods that present no health hazards for humans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's quite a mouthful, as it were. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>what this is, it's a big handbook that the FDA

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<v Speaker 1>puts out that that lists an acceptable amount of things

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<v Speaker 1>like arrant hairs, maggots, larvae that are in things that

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<v Speaker 1>you eat, that are acceptable to sell in stores because

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<v Speaker 1>it won't harm you. Acceptable by federal mandate, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable in a personal level. I found by by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it won't physically harm you. So I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a few. If you want to, I am all here,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I gag they'll please forgive me. Frozen broccoli,

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<v Speaker 1>there can be sixty or more aphids and or mites

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<v Speaker 1>per one grams. Broccoli in and of itself is bad enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You throw some aphids in there, it may actually make

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<v Speaker 1>it okay. I love broccoli. Your ground cinnamon may have

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred or more insect fragments per fifty grams. Which

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<v Speaker 1>fragments that's anything that's like that's like the hot dog

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<v Speaker 1>of spices apparently right. Uh. Your macaroni or noodle product

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<v Speaker 1>can have an average of two hundred twenty five insect

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<v Speaker 1>fragments or more and uh four point five rodent hairs

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<v Speaker 1>uh per two grams. And I know that's on insect,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just like to throw that in there. Roden

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<v Speaker 1>hair is pretty bad and actually, folks, um, you can

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<v Speaker 1>thank Upton Sinclair for it being just that small. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if had it not been for his the Jungle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we would be eating you know, whole canned rodents in

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<v Speaker 1>our you know can tomatoes and things like that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got two more. I know this is uh probably

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<v Speaker 1>turning off some of our listeners, but these two are

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't. I think most of our listeners like

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<v Speaker 1>clicked on another podcast long ago, because they want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear these two. Trust me, you know, the nice black

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<v Speaker 1>and white whole peppercorn that you that you crunch onto

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<v Speaker 1>yourn an average of one milligram or more of mammalion

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<v Speaker 1>excretia for pounds. And by mammalion you you mean any

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<v Speaker 1>mammal mammal poop? Does that include humans? Animals? About that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like Joe down at the packing plant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe causing a little surprise with an FDA

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<v Speaker 1>standard the pepper packing plant. Maybe so. And the final

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<v Speaker 1>one popcorn you enjoy your movie theater, that popcorn, by

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<v Speaker 1>law can have one or more rodent excrecia pellet uh

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<v Speaker 1>per subsample. And they didn't say the size of the substances. Yeah. Wow, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, Chuck. I appreciate you sharing that

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<v Speaker 1>with us. I know our listeners do as well. Sure thing,

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<v Speaker 1>that was great. Do you have any more gross out

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that not gross out? But I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>just finish up by by talking a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of eating insects. Yeah. Also, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great That's a great way to close out. I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to point out that there's a huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 1>difference between eating rodent excrecia and eating bugs as far

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<v Speaker 1>as cultures around the world, go right, we're not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to equate the two. No, of course not so so

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, chuck, because from what I understand, they're there

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<v Speaker 1>really are some great health benefits to eating bugs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're really good for you. Yeah, go ahead. Uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred grams of crickets, we'll give you, um only

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and twenty one calories that's a uh forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine of which come from fat, and you'll get thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>grams of protein and seventy five milligrams of iron and

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<v Speaker 1>five grams of carbohydrates. What's what's the one powerhouse insect

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna if you're really looking to lose some

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<v Speaker 1>weight but retain muscle mass, that kind of thing. What

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<v Speaker 1>insect do you go for? One word? Caterpillar? Yeah, yes, caterpillar.

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<v Speaker 1>They you can get twenty eight grams of protein for

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred grams of caterpillar, as well as iron, vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>B one and B three. Yeah, and actually I looked

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<v Speaker 1>that up. I looked up salmon, and that's on par

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<v Speaker 1>with salmon actually, right, which is great for your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great food. It's one of the all stars. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't afford salmon, go out into your backyard

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<v Speaker 1>and find some caterpillars. But there are some precautions you

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<v Speaker 1>should take first if you're going to raise your own

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<v Speaker 1>in x to eat or kept your own insects to eat, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you live in the United States, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably shouldn't go out to your backyard and get anything

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<v Speaker 1>because chances are they might have insecticide on them or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you did want to collect some, you could

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<v Speaker 1>capture them and feed them fresh grass for a few

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<v Speaker 1>days and that it like cleans out the system at

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<v Speaker 1>no time. Um. And if you're in a survival situation,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you'd want to eat some in whatever well not

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<v Speaker 1>whatever body, Okay, Well, well here's where the warnings wisdom. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a rule of thumb. There's really easy to remember. Um, red, orange, yellow,

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<v Speaker 1>forget the fellow black, green, brown, wolf it down bare brown. Yeah, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>anything is brightly colored or really pungent you want to

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<v Speaker 1>stay away from because that's kind of their warning signal

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<v Speaker 1>to the world that I'm poisonous and I can hurt you.

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<v Speaker 1>So so stick to worms or grubs. Yeah, tons cool,

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