WEBVTT - How Ghosts Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. Don Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and it's the stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know. Jerry's over there fiddling and fuxing around Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>and June. Right, remember when we had the horror fiction

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<v Speaker 1>contest last year? Actually this maybe July? Um, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we I think that the the deadline for submissions

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<v Speaker 1>was in July. It was weird to be in that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hallowing mindset while it was hot out. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it was weird to ask the authors

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<v Speaker 1>are not to ask, but to have them get in

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<v Speaker 1>that mindset to write something creepy. We definitely didn't command

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<v Speaker 1>you talked me out of that. Yeah. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>good contest. Yeah, also known as the Contest that Will

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<v Speaker 1>Shall Never Happen again. Well, we also ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we're going to read this year, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. Uh, you guys will have to see

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<v Speaker 1>in a few months what we're talking about's right, So, Chuck, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I myself have never officially seen a ghost, but I

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<v Speaker 1>understand you have a ghost story. I do. I remarked

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<v Speaker 1>about it and I said, I'm gonna wait till we

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<v Speaker 1>do our ghost podcast. Well here we are. Pal is

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<v Speaker 1>this it? Should I go? Now? Yeah? Okay, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is a ghost. What I'm saying is one

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<v Speaker 1>night I saw something very very very strange that I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot explain. Okay, okay, are you ready? I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>should have music or something Jerry that could probably be done.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So Athens Georgia College, I would say, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the exact year, but it was probably my best

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<v Speaker 1>friend and I Brett had had gone out and um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going back home, uh, and driving through five points,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the area. So we're coming from like let's

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<v Speaker 1>say the direction of campus, and you know there's a

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<v Speaker 1>cut through if you take a certain road and five

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<v Speaker 1>points that cuts you over to Alps Road and people

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna be like, what is he talking about? I

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm talking to you here. Uh. And so there's

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<v Speaker 1>this one area where you go around a road curves

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<v Speaker 1>ninety degrees and then about i'd say two hundred feet

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<v Speaker 1>after that there's a four way stop sign. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>NEIGHBORHOODI area. I think that's like where Ray Golf used

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<v Speaker 1>to live. He Vince Duley lives over there. That might

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<v Speaker 1>be what you're thinking. So we go around this ninety

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<v Speaker 1>degree curve and I'm looking, you know, I'm filling with

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<v Speaker 1>the radio or something, and my buddy Brett starts, uh

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of joke, screaming like, oh what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>But getting around and I look up and in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the intersection and I swear, people, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making this up and I did not hallucinate it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is God's honest truth. There was a what looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred year old woman wearing a black robe with

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<v Speaker 1>a purple sash dagonal across her chest, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>standing in the middle of the intersection holding a Bible

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<v Speaker 1>like this kind of on her placed on her fingertips

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<v Speaker 1>as you would hold like like a waiter would hold

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<v Speaker 1>a platter about chess level, and she was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>looking in the other direction with kind of a vacant

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<v Speaker 1>look on her face like you have now or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just she was completely vacant, completely still didn't move

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<v Speaker 1>an inch and wasn't like an hazy apparition, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>was solid and looked real, real, real dude, it's so freaky.

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<v Speaker 1>We pull right up on her to you know, take

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<v Speaker 1>that left, and we're both kind of jokes screaming, but

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<v Speaker 1>then as we get closer, we're like, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here? But it all happened in like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds, so it wasn't a lot of time to register,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what is this. We were just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>getting around and we pull right by her and take

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<v Speaker 1>a left, like, you know, if this is her. We

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<v Speaker 1>pull within feet of her, and she's on my side

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<v Speaker 1>at this point because we're turning right by her. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't blink, doesn't move a muscle, and we were one

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<v Speaker 1>probably an hour in this curve. He starts like he

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<v Speaker 1>can't drive a stick shift anymore because he's freaking out

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<v Speaker 1>the cars, like jerking and sputtering. He pulls over probably

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<v Speaker 1>fifty ft later. We both turned around out the back

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<v Speaker 1>window and there's nothing there. I'm getting looked chill bumps uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And to this day I have no idea what the

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<v Speaker 1>heck it was. And it was either a crazy, crazy

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<v Speaker 1>old woman who is really fast, which is really creepy

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<v Speaker 1>and really fast, or the most believable Madame Tusso's wax dummy,

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen someone ran and set out there and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see it, and then ran and took it away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not offering any explanation, not saying it was a ghost,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have no recollect or explanation for what it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been. And it was creepiest, weirdest thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. And we both described it to each other immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>like what did you see? What did you see? Had

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<v Speaker 1>gold leafing? I mean, I can't say it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Bible because I didn't see the cover, but it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that gold leafing around it look like a bible. So

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<v Speaker 1>you both saw the same thing, exact same thing, purple sash,

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<v Speaker 1>black robe, silver hair. That is one of the pernicious

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<v Speaker 1>qualities of a ghost sighting is that frequently people will

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<v Speaker 1>see the same thing. Two different people will see the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, which lends a tremendous amount of credence to

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<v Speaker 1>something because if one person just sees it, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hallucination. Exactly you were clearly on something we were not.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what somebody could say. Both of you saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you both were on something, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to see the exact same thing. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't like some big ghost guy. I'd never have

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<v Speaker 1>had looked for them or say, oh I believe in

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts that would just out of nowhere of boom, there

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<v Speaker 1>had happened, right exactly. Um. You can also go a

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<v Speaker 1>little further if you're a skeptic and say, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Chuck and Brett Brett just kind of we're playing

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<v Speaker 1>off on another description and they came to some unconsciously

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<v Speaker 1>came to an agreement of this. You guys compiled the

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<v Speaker 1>story and you saw the same thing. Who knows that

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<v Speaker 1>however you approach that probably depends on whether you're part

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<v Speaker 1>of the or percent of Americans who don't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts or who do believe in ghosts. According to a

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine CBS News poll, I had never given

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<v Speaker 1>it much thought, but after that I was I was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely like, well, that was a ghost and I just

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<v Speaker 1>saw one. Yeah, And I researched a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was long ago before the Internet was born, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I couldn't find anything. And even look yesterday just

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<v Speaker 1>to see if I could find out anything, if there

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<v Speaker 1>was some sightings or some old lady that have been

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<v Speaker 1>killed or anything and nothing. Now, I couldn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was just your own personal ghost maybe, or

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<v Speaker 1>just some creepy old woman who was still in not

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<v Speaker 1>blinking as a car barrel towards her. Either way, that

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<v Speaker 1>is very unsettling either way. Um, And that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good ghost story. It was a good one. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not a mask, you know, I can say that for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we pulled up within feet of her, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>looked in her face and she and she didn't move

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<v Speaker 1>a must didn't move a muscle man. That's it was

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<v Speaker 1>the scariest thing that's ever happened to me. And we

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<v Speaker 1>told that story many many times over the years, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's always like really, and I always say, I swear,

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<v Speaker 1>why would I make this up? So that's my ghost story.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good ghost story. You can reach us on Facebook. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for message break. All right? Wait, wait, Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really kind for message break. What she left

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quick. So we're talking ghosts. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans believe in ghosts, don't. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, especially after reading this, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole you know, I really miss my deceased relative and

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<v Speaker 1>I go to seances, and I think those things the

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<v Speaker 1>mind can play tricks on you. But in my case,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like those are the ones where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here? You know, Well, it's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to disprove something or to prove something doesn't exist, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one reason why belief in ghosts continues on.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's also a lot of, um, there's also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of factors in ghosts that accumulated create this body

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, ghost belief, what our ghost ghostly sightings, hauntings, apparations,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff that um kind of over time have

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<v Speaker 1>taken on a life of their own or I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>have been around for thousands and thousands of years, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and have not been dispelled by science. Um. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to kind of approach this from like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what people believe ghosts are, and here's some scientific

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<v Speaker 1>explanations for it. But throughout this you will notice that

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<v Speaker 1>at no point are we ever going to say conclusively

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<v Speaker 1>science has proven that ghosts don't exist, because it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of can't. That's not to say that people aren't using

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific method to study ghosts, because some are, and

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<v Speaker 1>my hat is off to these people most of all.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's up ghosts man. All right, Well, I just

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<v Speaker 1>described my encounter, which, like I said, wasn't hazy or weird. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's weird. It wasn't like a hazy apparition. But

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<v Speaker 1>many times as an apparition. Um, Sometimes it's lights, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to hit every since. Sometimes it's a smell um

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<v Speaker 1>like Tracy pointed out in this article, like the smell

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<v Speaker 1>of deceased relative's favorite meal being cooked in the other room,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, Or the smell of the deceased relative

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<v Speaker 1>just smelled something like rotting, but it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>scuirrel in the wall. Can be a song, can be

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<v Speaker 1>flickering lights, can be orbs in a picture. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that, or a ghost in a picture. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of those. Hey, I got you got a Google.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty fun to look at those. Yeah, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>some that are like this one's not quite explained to

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<v Speaker 1>my full satisfaction. Yeah, some of the If you look

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<v Speaker 1>up famous ghost pictures, there's a handful that have made

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds over the years that are pretty good, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Lady of Brown on Hall. I believe is that

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<v Speaker 1>the girl with the fire no that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a real good one. Um, there's a woman descending

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<v Speaker 1>a staircase like a ghostly woman. Um. Freddie Jackson the

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<v Speaker 1>World War two, World War One pilot killed or mechanic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry he was killed, and then he showed up

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<v Speaker 1>in a group photo two days later. Um. That one

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<v Speaker 1>was explained as a double exposure, which I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>the coincidence behind it is in and of itself staggering

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<v Speaker 1>if that is the explanation for of course, it also

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<v Speaker 1>could be a hoax. But it's a pretty good on.

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<v Speaker 1>Freddie Jackson is my favorite one. I think my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>is the Old West. Did you see that one? It's

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<v Speaker 1>like boothill or something. It was in I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>this guy dressed up like a cowboy and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>had his picture made but with his friend. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in the back ground you see this guy. Yeah, I did,

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of peeking up maybe behind a tombstone. Yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>just in the brush. Yeah. And supposedly they say are

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<v Speaker 1>verified by photo experts and stuff is having been untouched.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, because photoshop is making it way easier to

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<v Speaker 1>screw with photography, but it's also fairly easy to detect too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really dig into the individual pixels, you can say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is obviously, and especially these old photos when they're

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<v Speaker 1>examining negatives, it's not that those weren't photoshops, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be light playing tricks. But when you see

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<v Speaker 1>a girl standing by the rail of you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>the fire behind her, that one was explained as the

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<v Speaker 1>girl in the fire. Yeah, that one was explained as

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<v Speaker 1>a just a sheer chance mixture of smoke and light.

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<v Speaker 1>And then our um programming, like us being hardwired to

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<v Speaker 1>pick faces out of anything. I don't know, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>looked pretty much like it definitely does then it yeah, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's the funny things like the

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<v Speaker 1>three men and a baby ghost cut out of that

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<v Speaker 1>dancing or the Wizard of Oz like Hanging Munchkin, which was,

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<v Speaker 1>although I have to say, since you bring it up,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest short you know, I love short

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<v Speaker 1>horror fiction. Of course they were one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>um ones I've ever read. Was called The Hanging Man

0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.240
<v Speaker 1>of Oz. It's like, um, it was. It's only just

0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:23.079
<v Speaker 1>a few years old, but it's a good little short story. Really. Yeah. Yeah,

0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.320
<v Speaker 1>this guy who like gets kind of caught up in

0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.839
<v Speaker 1>like looking for it. It's good, yeah, good horror fiction. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't have to do with ghosts. But supposedly there's

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<v Speaker 1>a murder captured on Google Earth. Have you seen that

0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.280
<v Speaker 1>making the rounds. It's an aerial shot obviously of a

0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.280
<v Speaker 1>dock somewhere in Europe, I think, by the water, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like a guys like dragging a dead body

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<v Speaker 1>in a big pool of blood towards the water. But they,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've debunked that it was a dog who

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<v Speaker 1>had shaken off and gotten the ground wet, and people

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<v Speaker 1>verified later like yeah, that was me and my dog,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, stop asking questions because my dog, someone posted

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<v Speaker 1>on our Facebook call. But I mean you bring up

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<v Speaker 1>a that's that's a really good like you see what

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<v Speaker 1>you want exactly. Um. But again we say, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really prove that ghost don't exists. So people are like,

0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:19.040
<v Speaker 1>prove it. It doesn't prove anything, you know. Um, if

0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.959
<v Speaker 1>you can prove that a photograph has been faked, then

0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.079
<v Speaker 1>you've proven it's been faked. But you can't just look

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<v Speaker 1>in and be like, oh, I'm sure it's a fake

0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.320
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't muster. Yeah, so they we we've covered photos

0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.120
<v Speaker 1>they show up in photos. Well why are they here?

0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a lot of explanations, like they're delivering

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<v Speaker 1>bad news or good news, right. Yeah. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ghost stories where, um, the dead have suddenly appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to a relative on the other side of the planet

0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.920
<v Speaker 1>at the moment they died. Like the relative wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>the next day to find out that the person died

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve fifty nine am when they just saw them

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in their room at the same time. So sometimes

0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.880
<v Speaker 1>they're they're coming to say, hey, I love you, see

0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you in fifteen years um. Or they're coming to say

0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you're about to die, that's another long standing legend. Yeah,

0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.800
<v Speaker 1>or they're about to say like, um, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>should sell your Yahoo stock now, that'd be a good

0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.000
<v Speaker 1>ghost right. Um. You know, there's a lot of stuff

0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you can you can say that people have attributed to

0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:30.359
<v Speaker 1>ghosts and why they're here. Um, there's also that horrible

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<v Speaker 1>um experience as their last moments. Yeah, they they are

0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>at the point where they died too young or uh,

0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe have just gone back to their favorite place in life. Um.

0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Earthbound spirits, I think is what paranormal investigators call those situations.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're stuck here or it's like, you know, get

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<v Speaker 1>off my train type of situation. They're guarding a place.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's not one, but to um ghost two women

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<v Speaker 1>at the Hotel del del Coronado and San Diego, very

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<v Speaker 1>famous late nineteenth century built hotels. UM, and both of

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<v Speaker 1>them took their own lives at the hotel when they

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<v Speaker 1>found out they were pregnant out of wedlock. Or one

0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.200
<v Speaker 1>was married but her husband and left her, and so

0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:21.800
<v Speaker 1>they're in two different rooms still. But that's an example

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<v Speaker 1>of a ghost being tied to a place. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>UM we have an article on the site about haunted hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>That a lot of hotels and all around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but especially in places like New Orleans and um like

0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.280
<v Speaker 1>old spooky Spanish. I guess the Coronado is probably one

0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.720
<v Speaker 1>of those. There's one, and I believe Colorado or the

0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.680
<v Speaker 1>one they used for the overlooking No. Um. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a plain o like regular cool hotel, but

0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it has like a stream running through the lobby. Yeah,

0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.880
<v Speaker 1>which is cool in and of itself. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember where I saw this, but um, it was like

0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.280
<v Speaker 1>on some TV show or this it's like a super

0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Haunted Hotel supposedly the ghost waiter is it. I don't

0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember, I don't wait for the river. Yeah

0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.960
<v Speaker 1>he had his pants rolled up and yeah the caviary

0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.280
<v Speaker 1>pop is awesome. Uh, that was the best th of

0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.480
<v Speaker 1>muster right then, I'm sorry. Um. And you know, there

0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.920
<v Speaker 1>are mediums out there who uh you know, if you

0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.320
<v Speaker 1>saw the movie Ghost Whoopy Goldberg. Obviously there's many times

0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.600
<v Speaker 1>hucksters trying to take advantage of people saying they can

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<v Speaker 1>contact people, put you in touch with your relatives that

0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.280
<v Speaker 1>have passed. Um, but I'm sure they're very There are

0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of mediums who really believe what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is for real, you know. Yeah, And what's what's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ironic is um, there's this really great article, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a little quick editorial actually from the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>Times in two thousand and six, is called is Science

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<v Speaker 1>Afraid of Ghosts? Is written by Deborah bloom right, and

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<v Speaker 1>she basically points out that like we we used to

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<v Speaker 1>have psychical research societies like William James, effectively the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of psychology, like investigated the paranormal as well and conducted

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<v Speaker 1>like extensive real scientific experiments and along the way debunked

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of mediums, like the nineteenth century, the Victorian era. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And so part of this investigation into the paranormal um

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.639
<v Speaker 1>was not just it wasn't just to prove that ghosts existed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just to understand the paranormal in its own terms.

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<v Speaker 1>And along the way, say this person is a fraud,

0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.879
<v Speaker 1>this person is a huckster. This ectoplasm is cheesecloth that

0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.520
<v Speaker 1>they had like stuffed in their cheek, you know. Um,

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And and that was part of it. And over time,

0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.359
<v Speaker 1>I think science has just kind of thrown out the

0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.720
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, the baby with the bathwater, and now it's

0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.200
<v Speaker 1>just up to uh, kind of the more mean spirited

0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.560
<v Speaker 1>section of the skeptical world to just go after and debunk.

0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>There's nobody looking for their very you people looking to

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.159
<v Speaker 1>prove or disprove the existence of ghosts. It's more just

0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like this photograph was faked, right, you know what I mean? Yeah? Um,

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.160
<v Speaker 1>And on photographs, I guess we should talk about orbs

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:18.160
<v Speaker 1>um very famously. Orbs show up in pictures and uh,

0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.560
<v Speaker 1>some people, you know say that that is a very

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<v Speaker 1>um specific part of the journey of the ghost is

0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.440
<v Speaker 1>when they are an orb. I have an ORB picture

0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.480
<v Speaker 1>which I'll post on Facebook. Emily believes it is her grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>We he had just passed away, and the photograph he

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was the biggest dog lover I've ever known. And uh,

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.879
<v Speaker 1>we had just finished our fencing in our backyard and

0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.080
<v Speaker 1>our house that we bought, so it had been like

0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>six or eight months that our dogs couldn't go back there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we finally let them back there, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>a camera, was like, I gotta take pictures to this,

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<v Speaker 1>and they start playing around like crazy, and in one

0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of the pictures there's an ORB boom right there above

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the dogs playing in Emily, it's like, that's Charlie, that's

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:06.280
<v Speaker 1>my grandfather. He's coming to visit. So I didn't debunk that.

0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 1>But supposedly skeptics will say that could be a camera

0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:17.240
<v Speaker 1>flash reflecting off thus particles I use, no flash, water

0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 1>spots on the camera lens, bone dry uh defects, and

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>digital camera sensors. I guess it could be that although

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it was a new camera and it's never done that

0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sense or printing errors. It was not printed or developed,

0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 1>so who knows. I'm just saying I've got a great

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>ORB photo that I'll post my dog's playing. You raise

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a really good question, and like, I mean, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>what's the value of debunking that? I don't know? Photo

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.200
<v Speaker 1>it made him only feel nice? It still does why,

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is the value? I mean? I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we'll cover it later. Yeah, but there's this uh yeah,

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.239
<v Speaker 1>that that question keeps coming up to me throughout the

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.960
<v Speaker 1>researching this. It's like it's not hurting anybody, right, um

0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.119
<v Speaker 1>so chuck, Uh, I guess a really good question. If

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about how ghost work is, what would

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.960
<v Speaker 1>ghosts be made of? Like we said, the Victorians believe

0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that they were made of ectoplasm. Today, if you talk

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>to a someone who believes in ghosts and like researchers

0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:18.640
<v Speaker 1>ghosts and like that's part of their world, they prevailing

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.399
<v Speaker 1>idea is that they're made of energy of somehow I

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.840
<v Speaker 1>can't remember which. A lot of thermodynamics state that energy

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.680
<v Speaker 1>cannot be created or destroyed, just transfers states. That would

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.440
<v Speaker 1>be a pretty good understanding of what ghosts are if

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>they are real. So a life force that had passed

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.399
<v Speaker 1>from a live person is now a different kind of

0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:43.159
<v Speaker 1>energy exactly, um medichlorians, what is that? This is the

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars. That is how they explained the force. Who

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.119
<v Speaker 1>are the medic Chlorians? I don't remember. It was very disappointing,

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.760
<v Speaker 1>though it sounds really familiar, was it from the newer three? Yeah? Yeah,

0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that was how they explained. Basically, they explained what the

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>force was, and everyone's like, oh, why don't you go

0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.639
<v Speaker 1>and do that? I got you, I remember that now. Um.

0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Other theories are that um, if they are some sort

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 1>of energy, they could also be some form of matter.

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 1>So maybe they're made of some sort of quantum particles

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>or an arrangement of quantum particles, which I find kind

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.119
<v Speaker 1>of an interesting explanation because think about it, ghosts can

0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.800
<v Speaker 1>are They're frequently said to be able to travel through

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.399
<v Speaker 1>solid matter. Right. Well, if you go down to the

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>quantum level and you start looking at transistors, there's a

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>big problem in early transistor development and that individual electrons

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 1>can pass right through the wall of a transistor. It's

0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.879
<v Speaker 1>called quantum tunneling, and um, they had to figure out

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.919
<v Speaker 1>how to use crystals to kind of block electrons in

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to make them flow the way you wanted, rather than

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.880
<v Speaker 1>just be like, oh, I'm over here now. So some

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 1>people say, well, maybe these are some sort of quantum

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.399
<v Speaker 1>particles or an arrangement of quantum particles that were able

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to perceive somehow. And then the question I would have

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>is is there a consistent explanation on why some people

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 1>might become a ghost and some others not? And the

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:13.199
<v Speaker 1>answer is no, or are they everywhere and some you

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.680
<v Speaker 1>just have a stronger energy force or something? Who knows? Yeah?

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean if if people tend to perceive ghosts

0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 1>more than others, and that typically from studies, has been

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 1>shown to be people who believe in ghosts tend to

0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.960
<v Speaker 1>see them more often report hauntings, Um, why wouldn't they

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.480
<v Speaker 1>see them all the time? Yeah, Like why wouldn't so? Yeah,

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that would indicate that there is something about an individual

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.879
<v Speaker 1>person that would make them become a ghost. So many questions. Well,

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole unfinished business like it died to a young thing.

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I can wrap my head around that, Like an energy

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.679
<v Speaker 1>force that was so strong that has now gone still

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:56.359
<v Speaker 1>could be around. Um, I'm trying to decide what part

0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I'd lie in. Do I believe in ghosts? I think so.

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>So There's a dude named Richard Wiseman of a University

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 1>of Hertfordshire and He's done a lot of research in

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 1>gb Great Britain, and he has found some pretty consistent

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>results that people have generally reported the same things in

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 1>the same places, even if they didn't know there was

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 1>any ghost activity there, even if they did or didn't believe. Actually,

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 1>if they did believe, they were more, like you said,

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 1>more apt to see a ghost. But he had consistent

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>results of specific places. Yeah, I mean like he applied

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the scientific method to researching ghosts, and he he documented what,

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>what parts, what areas in a reportedly haunted place sightings

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>were most frequently reported. Basically found that like you could,

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 1>you could map out areas where sightings were Okay, so

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>that's step one, and then step two. We had people

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>who who encountered ghosts described their experiences, and he kind

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of compiled the data. Then he went back to see

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>what other commonalities there were for an area, like physical

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>conditions there, like how cold is it, is it humid?

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Um Let me measure the light, let me measure the

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>magnetic field. Right. What he found, though, interestingly, was that

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 1>um there were specific areas where people who had no

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 1>understanding of the history of the place they were seeing

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 1>or had heard that the area was haunted had reported

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 1>seeing something. So there was something to a specific area

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>being quote haunted, and people who didn't necessarily believe in

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>ghosts or didn't know that the place was supposed to

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>be haunted had reported not only that they had seen

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a sighting or something in this building, but in the

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>specific area of this building. Yeah, what does that mean?

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a consistent study, right, So, and Wiseman is a

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>part of this kind of long but very um small,

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>smally sparsely populated um tradition of like paranormal researchers, like

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 1>legitimate ones. I could get into that. Man. When I

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 1>was a kid, I used to want to go to

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Duke and study paranormal or para psychology there. Yeah, they

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>had a para psychology department. It was led by a

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>guy named Joseph Ryan, who was another like legitimate para

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>psychological researcher. Um. You could have gotten a TV show

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on the Science Change, Yeah, totally. U c l A

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>used to have one from I think now they shut

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it down and I think the mid eighties, but it

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was around from like the fifties or sixties up to

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the eighties and it was well respected. Um. William James

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was another researcher. Uh as of the nineties, James Huron

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and Renny Lange are still doing research and writing books. Um,

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Harry Price was a very famous one. Yeah, he was

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>famous for investigating really Rectory, which was supposed to be

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.479
<v Speaker 1>like the most haunted place in England. And then now,

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>if you want to get a degree in paras psychology,

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you can go to the American University or you can

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>go to University of Edinburgh. Those are the two places,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, in the Western world where

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you can get a paras psychology degree. I could see

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>that the Great Britain's has a lot of um, ghostly

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>activity and paranormal investigators and they're into it over there.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And Edinburgh is supposed to be the most haunted city

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>in all of Europe. Really a bunch of dissatisfied Scotsman

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 1>roaming the bog right. Um, so we've kind of laid

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>it out right. Yeah, I feel like we've laid it

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>out like we've got them. We all understand what ghosts.

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we really said anything that people are like,

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I didn't realize that's what a ghost is. Um.

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>What I found interesting is that there's some really good

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 1>explanations for ghostly activity. Yeah, Sometimes Stracy points out, I

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>mean there are so many explanations. There's such a wide

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>range from this person just hallucinated something, right, and I

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>want to stay with that. Specifically, we're starting to understand

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that hallucinations are way more common than anybody has admitted

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.159
<v Speaker 1>for a very long time because we are afraid of

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 1>being put away or label is crazy. But people hallucinate

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>more than we generally understand they do. And specifically, grief

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be able to trigger hallucinations pretty really,

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 1>which would explain visitation dead relatives shortly after they die. Um.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.679
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about sleep paralysis before. That's an explanation that

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>you hear a lot about someone laying in bed. They

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>can't move and they are hallucinating um, spirits and things. Right,

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they think they're awake, but they're not. Yeah, and you're

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>incapable of moving. There's also the hypnogogic trance, which comes

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>at the onset of sleep, and it's a sort of

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>trance that supposedly you can hallucinate. Yeah, I've had that

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>happened before, like a my wake, am I sleep that

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>it is here? Something? Oh? Yeah, yeah, sure, you know. Um.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>And then sometimes it's just you know, the window shut

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>itself because it was loose in the wind blew it,

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>or the door shut because there was a draft where

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>it's cold in here, because you know there's a draft.

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of times there's just literally an explanation,

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>a physical explanation for what happened. So, um, you you

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>hit upon. One of the hallmarks of haunting activity is

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a change in temperature and unexplained change in temperature and

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>a haunted room when a ghost is present. And like

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you said, it's often like a chimney or a drafty

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>window or something like that. But people who investigate this

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing also often explain that phenomenon by um,

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a lack of humidity, right, lower humidity can make a

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>room feel colder. And what about an area of a room?

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.959
<v Speaker 1>Though I don't know, I mean, I I like, that's

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a really good question, dude. How can an area

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>of a room be number one colder if if there

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>isn't a draft, if it's not a draft, it's just

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>like a static area in a room that's cold. Um,

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>if there's just a decrease in humidity, what causes the

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>decrease in humidity that makes it feel colder. And they

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>have found that um areas that are supposedly haunted. Well,

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I should say, Richard Wiseman found in one place that

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>was supposedly haunted, UM, it tended to be less humid

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>than other areas, So that would explain the cold chill.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>But how is one area just a part of a

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>room less humid than another. Yeah, and I'm curious about

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>what kind of temperature drop people have seen, um, like

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>how drastic it's been. I couldn't find any like reputable

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>information on that. Like in the movies, you walk into

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the corner and you can see your breath all of

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a sudden and you're freezing. Yeah, like the sixth sense, right, Yeah, yeah,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that poor kid. Um. But also I wonder then if

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not even necessarily a real change in temperature, although

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>supposedly ghost hunters can measure changes in temperature in a

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>room and that means the ghost is present, Or if

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just the sensation of a chill running through your

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>body and it's not actually thermal, it's psychological. Yeah, your

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>your central nervous system. Yeah, I just got chill bumps earlier.

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, you did what about the electrical fields? That's um,

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>A very common thing is for a paranormal investigator to

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>measure magnetic field and electrical fields in an area. Um,

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>they will say that this is kind of proof that

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of presence there because the you know,

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the Ghostbusters E meter is going crazy? Right exactly what

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>do they call that? I can't believe. I can't remember that.

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember it either, the one that that Egan

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>held up to. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't remember what

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it's called. We're going to get in trouble for that. Yeah,

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>sorry guys. Um, But sometimes, um, these fields can cause

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>wacky things happening with the brain, can cause hallucinations, can

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>cause dizziness or other neurological symptoms. And they're saying that

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>might play into it, the fact that you think you

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>have seen a ghost right there, they're saying. Investigators are saying, yeah,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:18.719
<v Speaker 1>there actually is something different here with the the area's

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>electrical field, electro magnetic field. There's something going on here.

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>But it's possible that that's what's making you think there's

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a ghost here, rather than there's a ghost here and

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it's affecting the field, it's hitting your angular gyrus. Right,

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a part of the brain that UM. Evidently, if

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it's stimulated you can get the sense that someone is

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>behind you mimicking your movements, which is pretty creepy. I mean,

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>we're we're all familiar with the transcranial magnetic stimulation the

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 1>thinking cap. That's a cool episode. UM. And when you

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>apply a magnetic pulse to different parts of the brain,

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>different things happen, and one of them is definitely hallucinations.

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>And then another example of UM magnetic field messing with us,

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess is that a lot of haunting activity is

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>reported at night, supposedly UM, right exactly. That's that's number one.

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But number two. The magnetosphere, you know, the the the

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>part of the Earth's atmosphere that protects us from the

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>charged ions of solar wind, the way that the Earth

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>is arranged to the Sun, the part that's in darkness.

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>UM has a larger part of the magnetosphere surrounding it,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>more warped towards that. So that might explain it then, right,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like a spider, it does. But there's

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot more UM magnetic field activity going on in

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the darker side of Earth. So at night that one

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>could be a stretch. Yeah. I think my favorite UM

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>explanation that I had not heard about is infrasound. I

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>think that's pretty cool. This to me, is it? Yeah,

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's um low frequency sound waves that you cannot hear.

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, with your naked ear, you won't notice it,

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>but it can cause your eyes to vibrate, It can

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>cause you to see things, You can cause a sense

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of dread. UM and cracked. Actually, one of our favorite

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>websites that a test at a concert. Didn't they Well,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>they reported on it. There's a they don't do test,

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that's right, they report on tests. But yeah, there's a

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>great correct article on it. UM and they're talking about

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>In the fifties, a guy named Vladismir Vladimir Gavreaux, robotics engineer,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>noticed that like one of his lab assistants was bleeding

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>from an ear and traced it to UM. To this infrasound,

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like seven to nineteen hurts and UM.

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>You can't hear it, like you don't realize you're hearing sound,

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but you're reacting to it. And like you said, it

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:49.239
<v Speaker 1>causes all sorts of like weird psychological effects like a

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>sense of dread, a sense that there's somebody else near you. Um,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>all the classic telltale signs of hauntings, so much so

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that they've traced literal like hauntings back to infrasound. Yeah,

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The Ghost in the Machine is an article um by

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Victandy and Tony Lawrence that the same thing was going

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 1>on there, and they traced it back to a fan

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and then they modified the fans housing. The sound went

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>away and the supposed haunting went away, right exactly. I mean,

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>isn't that weird that, like, surely you've been in a

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>room before that you just had to turn around and

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 1>run out of it because you just knew that there's

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody else in there with you. You have, I have

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>plenty of times, But I think it's like I've been

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>in like Savannah near you know, on the ghost tour.

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm highly suggestible what I'm saying. But isn't it

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.919
<v Speaker 1>strange to think that a sound that you can't hear

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.879
<v Speaker 1>it was responsible for producing that that? Like we're our

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 1>brains are that malleable that like just the sound we

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>can't even hear, but the vibrations we can still sense

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>somehow are having an effect on our brain and scaring

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>us and making us turn around and run out of

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>room and potentially twitching your eye causing hallucinations. Right, so

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>this sound has been shown. NASA showed that, um that

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>an infrasound at that frequency can make your eye vibrate imperceptibly.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>But then something close to your vision, like say the

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>rim of your glasses or something appear. Your brain confuses

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and things that that's moving, so it looks like there's

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>a little dark figure moving out of the corner of

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>your eye. Infrasound can actually cause visual and audit well

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>not auditory hallucinations yea, psychological effects and visual hallucinations. So

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and the creation of a sense of dread. That's yeah,

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to get an infrasound machine. It's just like

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 1>played around the office. You know, there may already be

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>one here. Well, I don't even think we said what

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 1>the guy did though at the concert? Did we know

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>he played did he play it? Under the concert and

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>people were freaking out? Yeah? I think like a quarter

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>of the people at the concert reported feeling like horrible

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>dread and like some nausea. Um, maybe because it was

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a doctor John show. That's the first awful thing I

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>could think of Dr John's Crest. I know, I knew

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>you were gonna say that. It really I mean, like

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 1>you sued to see that guy played two pianos at once. Yeah,

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's a legend. What am I talking about?

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You're thinking of? Um, maybe Dr hook and the Medicine Show.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>No Dr Demento. I was trying to think of the

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 1>worst band I could think of, and that's the first

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>thing that came to my mind. That's who you thought of.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Nickelback is out there, Yeah, it was a Nickelback show.

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 1>We can fix this in editing, okay. Um, so what else?

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I think? The last thing Tracy has here is that, um,

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the National Science Board is actually come out and said

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that if you believe in paranormal it can be dangerous

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 1>because that means you have reduced critical thinking skills and

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 1>can't make great day to day decisions. It's kind of mean.

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>That irked me because on the other end of the spectrum,

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>you can definitely make the case that just poo poo

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>ing out of hand as non existent anything that science

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>can explain. It shows a distinct lack of critical thinking

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>and even more dangerously, a lack of imagination and that

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>irks me to no end. Yeah, I enjoyed that you

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>sent me the skep dyd Brian Dunning his article, and

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of appreciated his approach with this, was like,

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, maybe that means there's other cool ways

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to explain these things, like don't poopo it. Maybe open

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>your mind to other interesting phenomenon that can be explained. Well,

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>he was saying, don't just assume that if you just

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 1>stop at it was a ghost, then there wasn't. Right,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>then you're you're pursuing. You're just you're not pursuing any longer,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. And yeah, you're you're kind of

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>shutting down these avenues that could be really interesting and

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>eye opening. Appreciated that. I appreciated his approach too, because

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>he's a huge skeptic and he's not He didn't take

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>like a James Randy esque glee or delight and destroying

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>the illusions of idiots, you know. Yeah, And I think

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that's his deal period as people. Uh, I think he

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.240
<v Speaker 1>gets accused of that oftentimes, as you know, a fun killer,

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, that's not what I'm trying to do here.

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to apply research and real science too. Things.

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