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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. Don Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and it's the stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know. Jerry's over there fiddling and fuxing around Halloween

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Speaker 1: and June. Right, remember when we had the horror fiction

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Speaker 1: contest last year? Actually this maybe July? Um, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we I think that the the deadline for submissions

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Speaker 1: was in July. It was weird to be in that

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Speaker 1: kind of hallowing mindset while it was hot out. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it was weird to ask the authors

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Speaker 1: are not to ask, but to have them get in

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Speaker 1: that mindset to write something creepy. We definitely didn't command

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Speaker 1: you talked me out of that. Yeah. That was a

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Speaker 1: good contest. Yeah, also known as the Contest that Will

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Speaker 1: Shall Never Happen again. Well, we also ended up with

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Speaker 1: the one that we're going to read this year, right,

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. It is

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Speaker 1: a good one. Uh, you guys will have to see

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Speaker 1: in a few months what we're talking about's right, So, Chuck, Um,

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Speaker 1: I myself have never officially seen a ghost, but I

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Speaker 1: understand you have a ghost story. I do. I remarked

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Speaker 1: about it and I said, I'm gonna wait till we

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Speaker 1: do our ghost podcast. Well here we are. Pal is

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Speaker 1: this it? Should I go? Now? Yeah? Okay, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this is a ghost. What I'm saying is one

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Speaker 1: night I saw something very very very strange that I

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Speaker 1: cannot explain. Okay, okay, are you ready? I feel like

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Speaker 1: should have music or something Jerry that could probably be done.

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Speaker 1: Um So Athens Georgia College, I would say, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the exact year, but it was probably my best

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Speaker 1: friend and I Brett had had gone out and um,

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Speaker 1: we're going back home, uh, and driving through five points,

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Speaker 1: you know the area. So we're coming from like let's

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Speaker 1: say the direction of campus, and you know there's a

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Speaker 1: cut through if you take a certain road and five

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Speaker 1: points that cuts you over to Alps Road and people

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Speaker 1: are gonna be like, what is he talking about? I

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Speaker 1: just I'm talking to you here. Uh. And so there's

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Speaker 1: NEIGHBORHOODI area. I think that's like where Ray Golf used

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Speaker 1: to live. He Vince Duley lives over there. That might

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Speaker 1: be what you're thinking. So we go around this ninety

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Speaker 1: degree curve and I'm looking, you know, I'm filling with

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Speaker 1: the radio or something, and my buddy Brett starts, uh

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Speaker 1: like kind of joke, screaming like, oh what is that?

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Speaker 1: making this up and I did not hallucinate it. This

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Speaker 1: is God's honest truth. There was a what looked like

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Speaker 1: a hundred year old woman wearing a black robe with

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Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the intersection holding a Bible

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Speaker 1: it just she was completely vacant, completely still didn't move

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Speaker 1: We pull right up on her to you know, take

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Speaker 1: gold leafing? I mean, I can't say it was a

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Speaker 1: black robe, silver hair. That is one of the pernicious

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Speaker 1: qualities of a ghost sighting is that frequently people will

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Speaker 1: a hallucination. Exactly you were clearly on something we were not.

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Speaker 1: But that's what somebody could say. Both of you saw it.

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Speaker 1: Even if you both were on something, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like some big ghost guy. I'd never have

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Speaker 1: little further if you're a skeptic and say, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean Chuck and Brett Brett just kind of we're playing

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Speaker 1: off on another description and they came to some unconsciously

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Speaker 1: however you approach that probably depends on whether you're part

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Speaker 1: of the or percent of Americans who don't believe in

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Speaker 1: ghosts or who do believe in ghosts. According to a

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine CBS News poll, I had never given

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Speaker 1: definitely like, well, that was a ghost and I just

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Speaker 1: saw one. Yeah, And I researched a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: the scariest thing that's ever happened to me. And we

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Speaker 1: That's a good ghost story. You can reach us on Facebook. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's not really kind for message break. What she left

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Speaker 1: pretty quick. So we're talking ghosts. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I go to seances, and I think those things the

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Speaker 1: impossible to disprove something or to prove something doesn't exist, right,

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Speaker 1: of can't. That's not to say that people aren't using

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Speaker 1: So let's up ghosts man. All right, Well, I just

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Speaker 1: conditions there, like how cold is it, is it humid?

425
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Speaker 1: Um Let me measure the light, let me measure the

426
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: magnetic field. Right. What he found, though, interestingly, was that

427
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: um there were specific areas where people who had no

428
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: understanding of the history of the place they were seeing

429
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: or had heard that the area was haunted had reported

430
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: seeing something. So there was something to a specific area

431
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: being quote haunted, and people who didn't necessarily believe in

432
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: ghosts or didn't know that the place was supposed to

433
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: be haunted had reported not only that they had seen

434
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: a sighting or something in this building, but in the

435
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: specific area of this building. Yeah, what does that mean?

436
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: It's a consistent study, right, So, and Wiseman is a

437
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: part of this kind of long but very um small,

438
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: smally sparsely populated um tradition of like paranormal researchers, like

439
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: legitimate ones. I could get into that. Man. When I

440
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: was a kid, I used to want to go to

441
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Duke and study paranormal or para psychology there. Yeah, they

442
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: had a para psychology department. It was led by a

443
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: guy named Joseph Ryan, who was another like legitimate para

444
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: psychological researcher. Um. You could have gotten a TV show

445
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: on the Science Change, Yeah, totally. U c l A

446
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: used to have one from I think now they shut

447
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: it down and I think the mid eighties, but it

448
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: was around from like the fifties or sixties up to

449
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: the eighties and it was well respected. Um. William James

450
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: was another researcher. Uh as of the nineties, James Huron

451
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: and Renny Lange are still doing research and writing books. Um,

452
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: Harry Price was a very famous one. Yeah, he was

453
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: famous for investigating really Rectory, which was supposed to be

454
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: like the most haunted place in England. And then now,

455
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: if you want to get a degree in paras psychology,

456
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: you can go to the American University or you can

457
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: go to University of Edinburgh. Those are the two places,

458
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: as far as I know, in the Western world where

459
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: you can get a paras psychology degree. I could see

460
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: that the Great Britain's has a lot of um, ghostly

461
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: activity and paranormal investigators and they're into it over there.

462
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: And Edinburgh is supposed to be the most haunted city

463
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: in all of Europe. Really a bunch of dissatisfied Scotsman

464
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: roaming the bog right. Um, so we've kind of laid

465
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: it out right. Yeah, I feel like we've laid it

466
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: out like we've got them. We all understand what ghosts.

467
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't think we really said anything that people are like,

468
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I didn't realize that's what a ghost is. Um.

469
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that there's some really good

470
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: explanations for ghostly activity. Yeah, Sometimes Stracy points out, I

471
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: mean there are so many explanations. There's such a wide

472
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: range from this person just hallucinated something, right, and I

473
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: want to stay with that. Specifically, we're starting to understand

474
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: that hallucinations are way more common than anybody has admitted

475
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: for a very long time because we are afraid of

476
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: being put away or label is crazy. But people hallucinate

477
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: more than we generally understand they do. And specifically, grief

478
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: is supposed to be able to trigger hallucinations pretty really,

479
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: which would explain visitation dead relatives shortly after they die. Um.

480
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: We've talked about sleep paralysis before. That's an explanation that

481
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: you hear a lot about someone laying in bed. They

482
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: can't move and they are hallucinating um, spirits and things. Right,

483
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: they think they're awake, but they're not. Yeah, and you're

484
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: incapable of moving. There's also the hypnogogic trance, which comes

485
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: at the onset of sleep, and it's a sort of

486
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: trance that supposedly you can hallucinate. Yeah, I've had that

487
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: happened before, like a my wake, am I sleep that

488
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: it is here? Something? Oh? Yeah, yeah, sure, you know. Um.

489
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just you know, the window shut

490
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: itself because it was loose in the wind blew it,

491
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: or the door shut because there was a draft where

492
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: it's cold in here, because you know there's a draft.

493
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times there's just literally an explanation,

494
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: a physical explanation for what happened. So, um, you you

495
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: hit upon. One of the hallmarks of haunting activity is

496
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: a change in temperature and unexplained change in temperature and

497
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: a haunted room when a ghost is present. And like

498
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you said, it's often like a chimney or a drafty

499
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: window or something like that. But people who investigate this

500
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing also often explain that phenomenon by um,

501
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: a lack of humidity, right, lower humidity can make a

502
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: room feel colder. And what about an area of a room?

503
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: Though I don't know, I mean, I I like, that's

504
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: that's a really good question, dude. How can an area

505
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: of a room be number one colder if if there

506
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: isn't a draft, if it's not a draft, it's just

507
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: like a static area in a room that's cold. Um,

508
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: if there's just a decrease in humidity, what causes the

509
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: decrease in humidity that makes it feel colder. And they

510
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: have found that um areas that are supposedly haunted. Well,

511
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I should say, Richard Wiseman found in one place that

512
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: was supposedly haunted, UM, it tended to be less humid

513
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: than other areas, So that would explain the cold chill.

514
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: But how is one area just a part of a

515
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: room less humid than another. Yeah, and I'm curious about

516
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: what kind of temperature drop people have seen, um, like

517
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: how drastic it's been. I couldn't find any like reputable

518
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: information on that. Like in the movies, you walk into

519
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the corner and you can see your breath all of

520
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: a sudden and you're freezing. Yeah, like the sixth sense, right, Yeah, yeah,

521
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: that poor kid. Um. But also I wonder then if

522
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: it's not even necessarily a real change in temperature, although

523
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: supposedly ghost hunters can measure changes in temperature in a

524
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: room and that means the ghost is present, Or if

525
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: it's just the sensation of a chill running through your

526
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: body and it's not actually thermal, it's psychological. Yeah, your

527
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: your central nervous system. Yeah, I just got chill bumps earlier.

528
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, you did what about the electrical fields? That's um,

529
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: A very common thing is for a paranormal investigator to

530
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: measure magnetic field and electrical fields in an area. Um,

531
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: they will say that this is kind of proof that

532
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: there's some sort of presence there because the you know,

533
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters E meter is going crazy? Right exactly what

534
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: do they call that? I can't believe. I can't remember that.

535
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember it either, the one that that Egan

536
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: held up to. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't remember what

537
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: it's called. We're going to get in trouble for that. Yeah,

538
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: sorry guys. Um, But sometimes, um, these fields can cause

539
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: wacky things happening with the brain, can cause hallucinations, can

540
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: cause dizziness or other neurological symptoms. And they're saying that

541
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: might play into it, the fact that you think you

542
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: have seen a ghost right there, they're saying. Investigators are saying, yeah,

543
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: there actually is something different here with the the area's

544
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: electrical field, electro magnetic field. There's something going on here.

545
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: But it's possible that that's what's making you think there's

546
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: a ghost here, rather than there's a ghost here and

547
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: it's affecting the field, it's hitting your angular gyrus. Right,

548
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: that's a part of the brain that UM. Evidently, if

549
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: it's stimulated you can get the sense that someone is

550
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: behind you mimicking your movements, which is pretty creepy. I mean,

551
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: we're we're all familiar with the transcranial magnetic stimulation the

552
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: thinking cap. That's a cool episode. UM. And when you

553
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: apply a magnetic pulse to different parts of the brain,

554
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: different things happen, and one of them is definitely hallucinations.

555
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: And then another example of UM magnetic field messing with us,

556
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I guess is that a lot of haunting activity is

557
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: reported at night, supposedly UM, right exactly. That's that's number one.

558
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: But number two. The magnetosphere, you know, the the the

559
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: part of the Earth's atmosphere that protects us from the

560
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: charged ions of solar wind, the way that the Earth

561
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: is arranged to the Sun, the part that's in darkness.

562
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: UM has a larger part of the magnetosphere surrounding it,

563
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: more warped towards that. So that might explain it then, right,

564
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: so it looks like a spider, it does. But there's

565
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot more UM magnetic field activity going on in

566
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the darker side of Earth. So at night that one

567
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: could be a stretch. Yeah. I think my favorite UM

568
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: explanation that I had not heard about is infrasound. I

569
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: think that's pretty cool. This to me, is it? Yeah,

570
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: it's um low frequency sound waves that you cannot hear.

571
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, with your naked ear, you won't notice it,

572
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: but it can cause your eyes to vibrate, It can

573
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: cause you to see things, You can cause a sense

574
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: of dread. UM and cracked. Actually, one of our favorite

575
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: websites that a test at a concert. Didn't they Well,

576
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: they reported on it. There's a they don't do test,

577
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: that's right, they report on tests. But yeah, there's a

578
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: great correct article on it. UM and they're talking about

579
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: In the fifties, a guy named Vladismir Vladimir Gavreaux, robotics engineer,

580
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: noticed that like one of his lab assistants was bleeding

581
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: from an ear and traced it to UM. To this infrasound,

582
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I think it's like seven to nineteen hurts and UM.

583
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: You can't hear it, like you don't realize you're hearing sound,

584
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: but you're reacting to it. And like you said, it

585
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: causes all sorts of like weird psychological effects like a

586
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: sense of dread, a sense that there's somebody else near you. Um,

587
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: all the classic telltale signs of hauntings, so much so

588
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: that they've traced literal like hauntings back to infrasound. Yeah,

589
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: The Ghost in the Machine is an article um by

590
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: Victandy and Tony Lawrence that the same thing was going

591
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: on there, and they traced it back to a fan

592
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: and then they modified the fans housing. The sound went

593
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: away and the supposed haunting went away, right exactly. I mean,

594
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: isn't that weird that, like, surely you've been in a

595
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: room before that you just had to turn around and

596
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: run out of it because you just knew that there's

597
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: somebody else in there with you. You have, I have

598
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: plenty of times, But I think it's like I've been

599
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: in like Savannah near you know, on the ghost tour.

600
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm highly suggestible what I'm saying. But isn't it

601
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: strange to think that a sound that you can't hear

602
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: it was responsible for producing that that? Like we're our

603
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: brains are that malleable that like just the sound we

604
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: can't even hear, but the vibrations we can still sense

605
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: somehow are having an effect on our brain and scaring

606
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: us and making us turn around and run out of

607
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: room and potentially twitching your eye causing hallucinations. Right, so

608
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: this sound has been shown. NASA showed that, um that

609
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: an infrasound at that frequency can make your eye vibrate imperceptibly.

610
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: But then something close to your vision, like say the

611
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: rim of your glasses or something appear. Your brain confuses

612
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: and things that that's moving, so it looks like there's

613
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: a little dark figure moving out of the corner of

614
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: your eye. Infrasound can actually cause visual and audit well

615
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: not auditory hallucinations yea, psychological effects and visual hallucinations. So

616
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: and the creation of a sense of dread. That's yeah,

617
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: I want to get an infrasound machine. It's just like

618
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: played around the office. You know, there may already be

619
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: one here. Well, I don't even think we said what

620
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: the guy did though at the concert? Did we know

621
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: he played did he play it? Under the concert and

622
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: people were freaking out? Yeah? I think like a quarter

623
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: of the people at the concert reported feeling like horrible

624
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: dread and like some nausea. Um, maybe because it was

625
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: a doctor John show. That's the first awful thing I

626
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: could think of Dr John's Crest. I know, I knew

627
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: you were gonna say that. It really I mean, like

628
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: you sued to see that guy played two pianos at once. Yeah,

629
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a legend. What am I talking about?

630
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: You're thinking of? Um, maybe Dr hook and the Medicine Show.

631
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: No Dr Demento. I was trying to think of the

632
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: worst band I could think of, and that's the first

633
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: thing that came to my mind. That's who you thought of.

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Speaker 1: We can fix this in editing, okay. Um, so what else?

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Speaker 1: I think? The last thing Tracy has here is that, um,

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Speaker 1: and even more dangerously, a lack of imagination and that

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Speaker 1: irks me to no end. Yeah, I enjoyed that you

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Speaker 1: sent me the skep dyd Brian Dunning his article, and

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Speaker 1: eye opening. Appreciated that. I appreciated his approach too, because

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Speaker 1: he's a huge skeptic and he's not He didn't take

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Speaker 1: like a James Randy esque glee or delight and destroying

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