1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Bethany. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison, Bethany Frankel, and yes we just if you 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: listen to the first part with Bethany, I'm glad you 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: clicked over to listen to the rest of the story. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: As they say, as we've got to know each other. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: What Bethany and I We literally just met about an 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: hour ago, But I also feel like we're best friends now. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: I feel like that exactly. I've always had this crazy 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: amount of love and respect for you, and partially that's 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: due to my fiance Lauren Zima, who thinks you are 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: just the most amazing woman in the world. And she's like, 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: trust me, you are going to love Bethany when you 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: get to talk to her, because Lauren interviewed you a 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: bunch while she was at entertainment tonight. So I am 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: glad we finally got to talk. And I feel like 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: this is the first of mini convos we will have. 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'll know that, Yeah, now we know each other. 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Don't you think it's interesting that podcasts. Since doing podcasting, 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: you can even know someone like you know them through 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: the industry. But now until you talk to them through 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: this form, do you really know them? Like we talk 23 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: superficial people. What restaurant did you go to? What are 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: you working on? 25 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Not like what? 26 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot of bullshit. 27 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Everything I hate about La. You know what life is like, La, 28 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: Where you're sitting there, you're talking to people, there is 29 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: no depth and you're just looking over the person's shoulder 30 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: to see who else is in the room that you 31 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: can talk to. But podcasts we dive into this stuff. 32 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: And one thing that Lauren and I were talking about you, 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: and it wasn't weird. We weren't in bed at the time, 34 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: but we were talking about how parallel our lives are. 35 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: We're both engaged. You have a fiance, so do I. 36 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Yours is a little bit different. Laura and I are 37 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: actually going to get married, right. 38 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: And similar ages. 39 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a year a fifty one? And how old 40 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: is your fiance? 41 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: He's seven years younger, so he's turning So Lauren's younger 42 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: than me? Did I add that wrong? Fifty two? Yeah, 43 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: he's all I know is he's turning forty six. Oh 44 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: she's younger too. How old is she? Not to say? 45 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I can say she's thirty five? But did you didn't 46 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: get into this with the idea of we're getting in, 47 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna get married, you don't really care if you 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: get married. 49 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: I'm a like, you're with someone and you want to 50 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: know how much they're committing to you. And there's like, 51 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 2: and I don't want to say this in the wrong way, 52 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: like it's not a goalpost, but it's sort of the 53 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: next step and how serious are we about each other? 54 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: And it's a commitment. Also, we're long distance, yeah, so 55 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: so there has to be some sort of binding commitment 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: to make that worthwhile. It's not been easy, you know, 57 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: to be long distance, but in a way it's also 58 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: been easy. It's annoying more than it's not easy, Like. 59 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: How do you do it? Well, here's the I assume 60 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: you're your East coast. He's West. 61 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: No, No, that would be impossible. He's Boston. But it's 62 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: still a pain in the ass, like it sounds. It 63 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: might as well be Florida, Ohio. It doesn't matter. You're 64 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: still getting in a car four hours or three hours. 65 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: So I moved closer in Connecticut to Boston, which does 66 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: make a difference when you're driving. But the point that 67 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: I really do want to make is that as when 68 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: we're younger, we have these ideals about what it's all 69 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: supposed to be. Like it's like, what are we doing 70 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: for dinner? And what are we doing here? And we're 71 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: one and we go to your parents and we go 72 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: to my parents, and we parent the same way and 73 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: we do the same right. So when you get into 74 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: a relationship when you're older, it's weird and selfish because 75 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: you both have your own ways of doing things and 76 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: you both have your own life. But if you talk 77 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: to most people that are really successful relationships, they're kind 78 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: of saying, like this person lets me be me, I 79 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: let them do them. We have nights with our friends, 80 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: we do our own thing, like he travels. I mean, 81 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: I hear all these different things. And it kind of 82 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: is like a dirty secret that a non traditional relationship 83 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: is not is kind of good like some people. I've 84 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: read articles where people don't even live in the same place. 85 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: That it works because I get my time with him, 86 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: my time with my child, my time with my business, 87 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: and then our time all together for blending and like 88 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: there are these little silos and then there's when everything's together. 89 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: So sometimes it sucks because it's like you're always in 90 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: the calendar and it's annoying, but you're really free to 91 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: do what you're doing and not feel torn when you're. 92 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Not togethern No, it does. We just had this conversation 93 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: last night. We were talking about people that live apart 94 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: and that there are even, you know, marriages, longtime marriages 95 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: where they don't live together. And I'm like, well, I 96 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: don't want that, like Laura and I do live together. 97 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: But I was like, you know what, I get that, 98 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: and she's like, so do I Like, I can totally 99 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: see that non traditional thing working. 100 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: Because another human being is annoying. They're not you same 101 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: no matter what they do is annoying. 102 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: And especially what I guess what her point is, or 103 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: what the point she made was, especially when you get 104 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: to a certain age, right, we get certain ways we are. 105 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: I am not an easy human being to live with 106 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: anymore at fifty one, because there are things I just 107 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: love to do, I want to do and I don't 108 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: want to give that up. And yeah, that's selfish and 109 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: you do have to compromise. I get it and all that, 110 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: and so does Laurence. She gets it, but we're very 111 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: careful about these are the things she loves, which Bravo 112 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: is one of them, and these are things I love. 113 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: You can't make a dog a cat, right. Paul falls 114 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: asleep a nine thirty at night, Like I'm not out 115 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 2: tripping the life fantastic, right, But we're just different people. 116 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: And I wanted I went to launch my forever young 117 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: wine do a shoot in Santrope and he didn't come. 118 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: I used to feel guilty, like not asking him to 119 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: come to do this thing. And it's not for Paul, 120 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: and it's not for me because I don't want to 121 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: be doing I don't want to be dragging him around 122 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: and I. 123 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: Want to be both gone and had a crappy time, 124 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: and you would have felt guilty trying to. Lauren just 125 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: came with me to this golf tournament last week. I 126 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: was in Fort Worth, really good friend of mine. Oddly 127 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: his name is Chris Harrison too, but that's a different 128 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: story altogether. But so I was at this golf tournament 129 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: and again drinking party in it's all day. She came 130 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: up because a lot of the wives took part in 131 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: this thing, and I just saw her and she's miserable. 132 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: She hated it. It was just and you're thinking about it, yeah, 133 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: and then now it's taking me out of having a 134 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: good time, and I know she's miserable and she was 135 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: just trying to do the right thing. And we love 136 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: the fact that we can look at each other and say, Babe, 137 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, and I'll say, now, great, 138 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: don't do it. 139 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: Go do your thing right fully. Get that so right. 140 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: The only rub with the long distance becomes when you're 141 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: together and alone, like it might not be on a weekend, 142 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: it could be on a Monday and Tuesday, and then 143 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: everyone feels the need to make it like perfect, and 144 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: it's like the small honeymoon where if you're working you 145 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: feel guilty. So there is a little bit of a 146 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: time and the way you manage it and what it means. 147 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: So you feel more pressure when you and Paul are 148 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: together because it's like, okay, this is our time. 149 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: Yes exactly, and it's and then you feel self conscious 150 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: if something's going on or something's going on with work. 151 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: So interesting finding that balance, which also though I've struggled 152 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: with in relationships where we are not in different cities, 153 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 2: sometimes I don't know how to who in this relationship. 154 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: Thank God, I know who I am, like what my 155 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: life is in the past, I have immersed into someone 156 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: else's and then we're a wee and I don't understand 157 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: what to do on my own. I like to be 158 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: alone a lot, like not all a lot. I'm a recluse, 159 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: like a line. 160 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: Where did that come from? 161 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: My father was always alone. My father was to think 162 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: about my father, there was a stain in the leather 163 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: chair behind his head from watching horse races all day long. 164 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: He was always alone, with the exception of like going 165 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: after a race to dinner with you guys. Like he 166 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: was always home alone, and my mother was home alone 167 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: all the time till four o'clock in the morning. And 168 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: I was an only child. So like, I don't know 169 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: if that's genetic, if that's the models I saw, because 170 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: I didn't really live with them for most of my life. 171 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: But I am a natural born reckless. 172 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: It's a very fall it's a very healthy thing to 173 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: be able to be alone with yourself and be satisfied 174 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: and be happy. Mine came from the bachelor bacherette world. 175 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: For twenty years, I traveled the world, and I would 176 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: typically travel by myself and live by myself. You know. 177 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Every now and then my wife or kids would come 178 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. When I started dating, you know, Lauren would come, 179 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: but for the most part, for twenty years, you know, 180 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: the crew would go and I would try to come 181 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: in later because I would try to stay home as 182 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: much as possible. So you know, I would fly to 183 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: South Africa by myself, be put in this crazy beautiful 184 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: resort by myself, and I had so much time alone 185 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that it became I became okay with it. 186 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: Oh and also, though I think, fame and you change 187 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: because people look at you differently and want to talk 188 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: to and your body language changes, and you just retreat 189 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: a little bit because going out becomes something very very different. 190 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: Going out could be like a public appearance. If you 191 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 2: your friends said to you, let's go to the food 192 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: and wine tasting of Milwaukee, and you just show up there. 193 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: They're tasting food and you're doing a public appearance. 194 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: Right you are taking pictures, and that's funny. You say that, 195 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: people say, oh, have you changed or I'm like, you know, 196 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: the the noble you know answer you would love to 197 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: say is no, I've never changed. I'm the same guy 198 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: was when I grew up in Dallas. But you do 199 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: change because you got to protect yourself and you protect 200 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: your time, and you become pickier with your time and 201 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: who surrounds you because you're right. When I go to 202 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: an event or you go, you know you're going to 203 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: take pictures, You're going to have conversations a lot of 204 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: the same conversations, people asking you the same questions. And 205 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: it's great, that's what they know you for and I 206 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. But yeah, if I 207 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: take a trip, it is going to be a little 208 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: bit different than what my friends are going to experience. 209 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: Your right, so your body language changes. You know, I 210 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: used to be a person that would talk to the 211 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: two top next to it. I still do it sometimes now, 212 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: but if I do it, that means that the two 213 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: tops at the left isn't going to start talking to us. 214 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 2: And now we're having a group party and Paul is 215 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: a very private. 216 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: Person, and you find there's that time and night where 217 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: people start drinking, and there's that tipping point in the 218 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: night too where you're like, okay, I'm. 219 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: Out or one person. Yeah, I was like literally half 220 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: nude in a spa yesterday and a girl said hi 221 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: to me, and then three other girls because one person 222 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: is open the thing and I'm not complaining either, it 223 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: just changes that you become closed off because if you're 224 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: open to one person high, then so many people like, Oh, 225 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: she's so open, she's just like us, and we're just 226 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: all having a party while she's naked in a sauna, 227 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: and you feel a little self conscious, you feel insecure, 228 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: and you feel like, are these people like looking at me? 229 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: And what does she look like naked? And or her 230 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: boobs real? And like you just start to get paranoid 231 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: in your mind about what other people are thinking, because 232 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: they're probably. 233 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: They're real and they're spectacular everybody. I just want you 234 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: to know. Let's just let that be said. Now, would 235 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: you ever, I mean, with all this said, if you 236 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: had this perfect world and you lived in Boston or 237 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Paul lived in Connecticut, would you guys, would you live together? 238 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: Would you take that step? 239 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: I mean, we would live together. And we do pretty 240 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: much live together, and we are connected all day long, 241 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: and I mean that in a way where it's not 242 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: like we're long distance. We're it's too much. We're fifty 243 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: times a day talking about everything and we're now working 244 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: on this YouTube thing together, which is actually really fun, 245 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: just like you guys are working together to interesting but 246 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: we're like minded in being anti social, very creative, like 247 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: entertainment adjacent. He's produced a bunch of movies and that 248 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: he's a real estate developer. So and it does, even 249 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: though it sounds cheesy for Paul and myself, life partner 250 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: sounds really accurately. He's a great, okay, partner. He's just 251 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: a great partner in life. He's very supportive, he's very loyal, 252 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: he's he's just he's a good life partner. So I 253 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: don't say that to people like this is my partner. 254 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: That's cheesy. I'm just saying it to you if you're 255 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 2: asking the definition, that's. 256 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: What you know without it's such a great that's such 257 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: a healthy thing. And again you wish if we could 258 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: give people advice that are getting into this game when 259 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: in your twenties, thirties, whatever, being able to truly define 260 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: your relationship the way you want it, whatever that means 261 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: and looks like to you do it. 262 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: It's also what are you coming into it from your 263 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: your fiance. Lauren was not ever married. 264 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: Before she was no she was divorced too, but no kids. 265 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: No kids, but also different also did not want to 266 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: have kids. Love's mine, but I also understood that that 267 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: was my choice to have kids, it was not her. 268 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: And so she does love my kids and appreciates that. 269 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: In God, she's amazing her effort and all that, but 270 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: I also try to understand that that wasn't her life choice. 271 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: They are still, you know, my children, so I try 272 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: to you know, and they're older now, they're twenty one 273 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: and nineteen, so it's a whole different dynamic than if 274 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: she came into the picture and they were nine and 275 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: eleven years old and we're doing you know, dance lessons 276 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: and going to plays and all that stuff still. 277 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: And so she came in though not going through a 278 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: wretched child custody divorce. 279 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Right, My divorce was clean. I had been divorced for 280 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: eleven years. My ex wife was already remarried, so it 281 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: was as easy of an injury as it could possibly be. 282 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: And my ex actually loves Lauren more than she loves me. 283 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: They actually will talk and text, and so it's a 284 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: very very healthy situation, thank God. Like, because I have 285 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: friends and I'm sure you do too, where it's just 286 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: a nightmare and you can't even talk to your ex 287 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, and that it's I feel for those people. 288 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying what you're walking into is affected by 289 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: what you're walking out of. So yes, I was coming 290 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: out of a ten year divorce on a two year marriage, 291 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: and the models I saw as my mother and my 292 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: father and my stepfather were horrendous and wretched and divorce. 293 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: So I was coming out of a hall of fame 294 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: to use that word to get the term again, divorce 295 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: like very, very very the worst experience of my life 296 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: by far. So I'm now walking into a relationship. I'm 297 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: not like skipping down the road to be doing documents 298 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: and legally being married, like it would make sense to anyone. 299 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: I experienced the most trauma I've ever experienced in my 300 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: life in getting my marriage and divorce. So that's another 301 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: reason I don't want to say that because that doesn't 302 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: sound all fun. But that's another reason why someone might 303 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: not ask me as often like why are you married yet? 304 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: Well, perspective, Yeah, your perspective, you have a scar tissue. 305 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: I mean I always tell people, you know, everyone shows 306 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: up for your wedding and there's the congo line and 307 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: the chicken days, and hey, all those people aren't out 308 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the divorce proceedings when you're sitting there with the mediator 309 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: and you're going over and you're basically dissolving a company, 310 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: and that's what a divorce is. You're exactly you're dissolving 311 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: a company and breaking it apart. And I'm like, and 312 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: I vividly remember having this moment with a lawyer of 313 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: just sitting there with my ex and you're breaking things 314 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: apart and going through everything, and I'm like, h this 315 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: is a far cry from that big celebration we had 316 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: seventeen years ago. So you definitely have to take that 317 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: perspective and that knowledge into the next relationship. You'd be 318 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: crazy not to. 319 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do transactional business deals all day long, 320 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: and there's something about that what comes with that that 321 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: I just it's counterintuitive to me. I understand marriage for 322 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: a reason, like you're going to have kids or for 323 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: this reason, or religion or convert a million reasons, or 324 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: you're twenty four and you want to be protected and 325 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: you want to know. When you're this age and you 326 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: have your own career and your own life, it's hard 327 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: to contemplate legally being married. Just based on what I've 328 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: been through. I understand it, I condone it. I'm just 329 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: saying it's hard to like be like, I've got to 330 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: do this right now, this. 331 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: Has to happen well. And that's how I felt when 332 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I got engaged. I mean, first of all, Whenlauren and 333 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: I started dating, you know, she knew I didn't really 334 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: care one way or the other. Marriage was not a 335 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: priority for me. Again because I had been married, you know, 336 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: I did the thing where I had kids and all that, 337 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and she had been married too and had the big wedding. 338 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: So neither neither one of us were really thinking, date, 339 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: let's get married. Things just progressed. And that's how I've 340 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: loved this relationship so much, is that it's just taking 341 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: its own course. And we've never said to ourselves what's next, 342 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: When when when you know, and so it's always just 343 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of hit us of you know what, it's time, 344 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: it's time to stop, right, you know, Like for six 345 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: months nobody knew we were dating. Then we went public, 346 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: and then we took this step and got engaged. Then 347 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: we decided to get married, and we're doing it on 348 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: our own time. And we've been together for five and 349 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: a half years, and it just it makes sense. It 350 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: makes sense to us us, yeah, exactly, And if it 351 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to you. God bless you call. I mean, 352 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: whatever floats your boat at this point in your life, yep, 353 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: I totally get it. Live together, live apart. Life's tough enough. 354 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Be happy for crying out loud. 355 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: I agree, I could not agree more. And work and 356 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: in relationship. 357 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah and well, And I think both of us have 358 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: been blessed enough to have been successful in our lives. 359 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: That you get the power of saying no and the 360 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: ability to say no is a wonderful thing. 361 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing? It's it's it's I mean, I wrote 362 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: a book called The Place of Yes, but the no 363 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: I say no so much more than I say yes. Honestly, 364 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: it's just a very it's nice to what you have 365 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: to get to this age to realize what you really 366 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: do want to do and you realize you my life 367 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: is not defined by a full calendar. It's almost like 368 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: I hate when it's full. And we're trying to say, really, 369 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: only do things that you love. Like Really, to have 370 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: that discipline and be able to have the luxury of 371 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: only doing things that you love because you work to 372 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: that point is really a blessing. 373 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Housewives, do you still have love in your heart? Fruit? 374 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: For that franchise. 375 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: It's not the it's the experience. Like I love the comedy, 376 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: the ridiculousness, and I was always the Greek chorus. And 377 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: I'm always in this position where I get to be 378 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: who I am talking to this audience about this show 379 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: that I'm observing around me, and I'm very good at 380 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: directing that sort of traffic and I love this. I 381 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: will say something. My father may be the Hall of 382 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Fame horse trainer. I am the hall of Fame of 383 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: that sport. Like being in the middle of a reality 384 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: show like that, navigating all of this that is literally 385 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: my wheelhouse. But what And I'm also I'm excellent at 386 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: navigating the media. It's not that I'm not good for it. 387 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: It's not good for me. So I don't want to 388 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: do that with people that I don't really I may 389 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: not care for them, And then I have to live 390 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: out this argument that's public for three months about something 391 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: that I don't care about with a person I don't 392 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: care about, and do a media tour about it. And 393 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: it's really trashy and really toxic. And the name of 394 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: housewives is a zero sum game. Someone is always winning 395 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: and someone's losing. When you're doing it, you're someone's and 396 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: you may not know who it is, and it may 397 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: be you. And if you don't know who's it's you. 398 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: That's if you don't see the sucker at the poker table, 399 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: it's you. 400 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You're the fish. So that's what 401 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: it is. There's and so it's always like kill or 402 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: be killed, and I just don't want to live like that. 403 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: But I you were the gy. 404 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: You were phenomenal at being what I would call the narrator. 405 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: We had people on the show that they were just 406 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: so good. It's summing up exactly what everybody's seeing, and 407 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: you need that person. Yes, you can observe it on 408 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: TV because it's a very visual medium, but to have 409 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: somebody comically and intelligently narrate that and some it all upill. 410 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: That is the brilliance of Bethany. That is the brilliance 411 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: of a person like you is you can observe, take 412 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: it in, digest it, and then articulate it perfectly so 413 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: it is funny, poignant, and stirs the pod a little bit. 414 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: That is You're right, that is a unbelievably difficult person 415 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: to find in a show. So with that said, are 416 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: you because there were rumors because that you were in 417 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: a video that you I don't think it was even you. 418 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: That this is a good little experiment because we get 419 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: to like show that these citizens journalists make things true. 420 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: The Real Housewives legacy video that you weren't in that. 421 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: No, I'm sitting here with you, Chris Harrison in my 422 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: basement with a power just went out. I'm not in 423 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: Sane Bart's but everybody thinks I am. And somehow you 424 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: know me. I'm thinking, how do I monitorze? There's no 425 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: way for me to They think I'm there, and Bravo 426 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: gets to seem like they've put me on this second show, 427 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: but so no, I'm not there. I'm right here. And 428 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: Bravo's done something really smart because they've been able to 429 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: pay these women one week's salary is four months out, 430 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: get a season out of it, and they're gonna get 431 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: six episode. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah, And you would ask 432 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: me like people always ask me when I go back, 433 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: like I talked to Paul about it yesterday. There's a 434 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: number to go there right now, get on a plane 435 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: right now. There's a number, but they can't pay it. 436 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Well, that's that I feel the same way about the 437 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: bachel when people ask me. And again, as you said 438 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: on your show, I was like, you said, never say never, 439 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: and I will never say that. My mom taught me 440 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: don't ever close a door because you just never know 441 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: what will happen in life. And yeah, there's a number, 442 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: and there's other things that would help Yours. 443 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: Is about a number. So mine's a full number, like 444 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: it's a number. 445 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Well, mine was a number, and there were several factors 446 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: that needed to take place. Those factors actually took place, 447 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: those things have happened, so now it really is about 448 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: a number. That and there would be some conversations as well. 449 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, of course. I mean if they came and said, look, 450 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: we've we've lost sixty five percent of our audience, please 451 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: come back and help us reinvent and save this, and 452 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, let's start the negotiations if you 453 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: want to actually fix this. 454 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: But what about this. Here's here's the other thing, like 455 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: Samantha or Kim Katroll went back for one scene, but 456 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: they have marketed it like she's on the whole thing. 457 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: So I keep getting I've gotten asked in the past season. 458 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: It's like from producers just one lunch, one dinner. I'm like, oh, 459 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: and you're not going to market that, like I've been 460 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: in every scene of No, there's no I've you this 461 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: is not a win for me exactly, which is like, 462 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: this is a win for them. That's why you didn't 463 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: hear any from Bravo dispelling the fact that I'm in St. 464 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: Barts right now. There's been They've been quiet as mice 465 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: over there. No one's saying Bethany is not in Sant 466 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: Barts because they know they're not stupid. They want the 467 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: viewer to think Jill and I are getting on a 468 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: plane to go to Saint Bart's. And also, I think 469 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: it's liberating. Years ago when I went back and Andy 470 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: Cohen said what's it going to take? And I and 471 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: I really didn't want to go back at all, but 472 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: I then said, I'm going to give you a number. 473 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to you. You come back with 474 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: it or not, and that's the only way I'll go back. 475 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: You weren't allowed to say that would be like I 476 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: misconnecting with the audience and I miss all this stuff. Now, 477 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: I think there's a liberation to being like, yeah, there's 478 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: going to be a number. 479 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: Well, and this is relatable to the everyday person you 480 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: know who's going through whatever, because your employer, the job 481 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: will play on your emotions. Bethany, you don't you want 482 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: to do this because of this franchise. I've been so 483 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: much to you and these girls, and just do what's 484 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: right and you do it. And it's like they're not 485 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: doing it for those benevolent, overreaching reasons. They're doing it 486 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: for a number as well. They're doing it because Bethany 487 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Franco means ratings. They're doing it because that promotion will 488 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: sell tickets. So it's not okay. And they and I 489 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: saw this all the time. They still do it to 490 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: this day to play on former bachelors and bachelorettes. We 491 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: changed you, you know, be grateful for the life we've 492 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: given you. 493 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: This. Oh I get that to Bravo major. I'm like, 494 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: I made Bravo too. They got a different caliber of 495 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: women after my Skinny Girl deal. I believe every. 496 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: Time I went the negotiations with my boss, it's you 497 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: know you, aren't you grateful for this? I said, dude, 498 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: I think we've been both beneficial. It's been a pretty 499 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: good franchise for you. 500 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: Too. 501 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: For twenty years, I've worked my ass off and I'm 502 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: pretty good at what I do. You're lucky to have 503 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: had me as well. 504 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: It's good for you, Chris, Chris go. 505 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Both ways well, which is the reason why we ended 506 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: up getting a divorce. 507 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: But right, No, but you're not. I'm not in any 508 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: actor just I'm acting like the person that they're like, 509 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: am my door begging me? No, No, there's an open 510 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: invitation over there if I decided to get paid whatever. 511 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: But no one's calling me today to be like please 512 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: come back. 513 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: It's just a conversation though. But you understand the way 514 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: the game is played that this is a even playing field, 515 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: and it's a conversation that would be had of I'm 516 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: not in bolden to do anything for you. You are 517 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: not embolden to do anything for me. We're right here, 518 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: so this is this is going to be fifty to fifty. 519 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yours is not gross. Yours I have done. 520 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: I have done a rints like yours is not. Yours 521 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: is different. Yours is like your host journ a suit. 522 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: You're protected. Mine is going back into a swamp pit. 523 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: So I need to be paid to be climbing into 524 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: a pile of. 525 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: Ship and it affects you because it does affect your 526 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: personal life. 527 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: Disgusting and so I really don't want to do it, 528 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to do it. That's why it's 529 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: just but there is a number to get me to 530 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: do it. I'm saying it's astronomical. It's not astronomical. It's big, though. 531 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: But we all have a number. I mean, yeah, yeah, 532 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: there's going on in the world of sports right now 533 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: with Live Golf and the PGA Tour. These guys had 534 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: a number. Lionel Messi was offered four billion dollars to 535 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: go play in Saudi Arabia. So we all have a number. Okay, 536 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: we all have a number, but mine's like yeah, I'm yeah, 537 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: is yours four billion? 538 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying no. I didn't mean mine's big. I'm 539 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: saying I don't really want it. I don't know. If 540 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: I really want to do it, it'd be fine. It's 541 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: it's a game. We're playing a game in our own minds. Yeah, 542 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: like that, like ABC is not sitting outside your door, 543 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: up bag, They're not right, same story. You just know 544 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: the number, you know what's going on over there, and 545 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: you know so that there's like a friendly conversation with them. Overall, 546 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: it's a dance. You still are saying stuff. You're saying, 547 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: we're very similar, Like I'm still saying that when you 548 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: go and watch it Evans Live. It's a trap every 549 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: time you go on. It's a question to make you 550 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: look bad at somebody else. But it's okay. I'm playing 551 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: the game right. 552 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: Well, it's our job and it's what I love to do. 553 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I love TV, I love hosting, I love producing. 554 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: I will continue to do that no matter where it is, 555 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: and it is what we love to do. It just 556 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: so happens that our stuff gets displayed and gets prominently 557 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: put out there for the world to digest and do 558 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: with it what they please, especially when you are the subject, 559 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: when you are one of the cast members. 560 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: I don't think we're going back you and I I 561 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: don't think so. 562 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: I would say there's close to a zero percent chance. 563 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any Honestly, it doesn't make much sense 564 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: for either one of us business wise. I don't think 565 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: it's a good business move for you to go back 566 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: to Housewives. It's not a good business for me to 567 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: go back to a show that is not doing well 568 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: because the chances of turning around or in this day 569 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: and age of network TV or slim and none. I mean, 570 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's dying that franchisical pressure. 571 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: Will be on you. I did that and I was 572 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: all and thank god it went back up. But that 573 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: was a different The b is back and it felt pressure, 574 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: and like, now you go back, right, you know? I 575 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: mean Lauren Michael said it best you have to make 576 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: an exit to make an entrance. But are you going 577 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: back and making an entrance back there? I mean it 578 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: could go either way because you'd get a big number. 579 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: And who cares? Like if you got a big enough 580 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 2: number and you go back and the ratings don't change, 581 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: what the hell do you care it? 582 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. 583 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: You know, no one saw it. Who cares? 584 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: I look at it like getting back with an X 585 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: that you've been married to for twenty years. You know 586 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: what it's all about exactly. You know how unhappy you were, 587 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: you know all the pitfalls, So why would you go 588 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: back and do that again? So it makes no sense 589 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: business wise, emotionally, relationship wise. But all I've ever said 590 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: is that door, you know, is I would just never 591 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: say never, but for you and now Yeah, there's bigger 592 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: and better things on so many fronts. It would be. 593 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: It feels like a backstep for both of us. 594 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: It does, and also the reason you brought up that 595 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: it's not good business for either. Bravo can chop up 596 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: this chicken fifty ways and make chicken salad, make chicken broth, 597 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: and make chicken stuff. Same thing with The Bachelor. It's 598 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: the Bachelor on Tuesdays, it's the Bachelor Pizza Night, it's 599 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: the Bachelor Vaication. Just chop all the shit up together 600 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: and make make walk chicken and broccoli like they can 601 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: make anything they want, poll uck supper every night and 602 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 2: rechurn and churn and still make have an advertising budget. 603 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: They come in, they'd have to pay you for that 604 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: big show. It's not doesn't make economical sense for them either, 605 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: because your head is still knowing what your value was 606 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: then money money wise, that they don't have it that 607 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: way anymore. That's why they can get girls for one 608 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars to rip each other's limbs off for 609 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: a week who were fired and need to be relevant 610 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: and need that hit because they'll do it and they're 611 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: all going to be even crazier because they need the hit, Like, 612 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: it's just not economical sense to. 613 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: Be like, let's pay Bath to get back in that 614 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: lion's den. Yeah, it would take a lot. 615 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: I like the conversation and I like the job. And 616 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: Paul literally Paul and I have fictitious conversations where Paul 617 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: would never even put Paul's never been on it would 618 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: never be on any TV with me, never. He's no 619 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: upside from a very private person, very private family. But 620 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: we'll even play what his number is. I'm like, okay, 621 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 2: but I go back and you have to come with me, 622 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: what's your number? And we do it all the time. 623 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: Well, I just thought too, and then just dropped the 624 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: other day in my interview with Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan, okay, 625 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: and I asked Marcus if he was going to be 626 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: a part of the show and he said yes, probably so, 627 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: and I thought I got off. I got off the 628 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: podcast and I told Lauren, I go if I'm an 629 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: executive or a producer at Bravo, I am losing my 630 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: mind that I have Michael Jordan's son for free, for free, 631 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: essentially dating Scottie Pippen's ex wife, Like I own this story. 632 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Now I own Michael Jordan essentially and Scottie Pippen in 633 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: this story. I hope, and I hope to God that 634 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Marcus is bending them over backwards asking for money, because 635 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: if he's not, he's crazy because he can. 636 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: And they really can't pay him what he's worth, and 637 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: they really really won't. I don't think he's getting. 638 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: Any I mean, think about that. 639 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: I know. But here's the weird thing about Housewives and that, Yeah, 640 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: those type of stories aren't as big as you'd think. 641 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: Like whenever you're on the Housewives in the first couple 642 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: of years, you're like, oh, I'm best friends of Madonna, 643 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: so we're gonna go to this event and let's shoot Madonna. 644 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: He shoot Madonna. It's not like Jamie Curtis being on 645 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. It's not who cares. Yeah, and people become 646 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: different there too, Like in my mind, Kelly ben Simone 647 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: had a lure. She was married to Joe Bensimon. She 648 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: gets on that show, she's she's another whack job in 649 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: New York City, Tinsley Mortimer, the big, the big taffita 650 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: wearing New York socialite. She gets on that show and 651 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: everybody becomes like just a person. 652 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: It's story driven. It's all about the story that's being yeah, 653 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: being driven, and the drama and all that. But I 654 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: just I love the fact that it's a good get. Oh, 655 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: it's a good get. It's a great story because that 656 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: will continue to be dramatic. I mean, that's that relationship, 657 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: and obviously it's what they will do to that relationship, right, 658 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: it's it's how you will produce around that. 659 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's gonna have to be smart and his 660 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: family is gonna have to be like what do you do? 661 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: But like, no one really cared about Kelsey Grammar except 662 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: for how it pertained to Camille, is what I'm trying 663 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: to say. He's a much bigger celebrity, one of the 664 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: highest paid actors of all time on television. But like 665 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: it didn't matter that he was in that episode. He 666 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: was filler, which is weird. Someone becomes different there. I 667 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: don't know why that. It's just fame is not as 668 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: important on reality TV as the whack of doodles that 669 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: are on it. 670 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: That's so true. Speaking speaking of we are two of 671 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: the biggest whack of doodles you're ever going to run into. 672 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: I have so enjoyed this day, me too. I look 673 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: forward to it. And the best part about Bethany and 674 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: I is we had no idea what we were going 675 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: to talk about. We had no rundown, and we are 676 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: both so fullish that we just talked for an hour 677 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: street And if you didn't shut us up, if the 678 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: producers weren't telling us to stop, this could go on 679 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: for hours. 680 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: It could be a marathon. One hundred percent. Nobody learned anything, 681 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 2: and no one's smarter for it. 682 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: So make sure there's This is kind of a two 683 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: part series, So make sure you go to Bethany's podcast, 684 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: and you're going to hear kind of the first part 685 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: of this. And then obviously you've already if you've made 686 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: it to this point and survived, you've listened to this 687 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: as well. But listen to both podcasts because I think 688 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: they are both unbelievably insightful and very different. But we 689 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: have to do this again. We must do this again. 690 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should continue it where you and I 691 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: do it with somebody else that's also on iHeart and 692 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: have a stupid conversation with them. 693 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: It would have to be someone who's really going to 694 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: be strong and could fit in this dynamic duo the 695 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: business mind of Bethany always cranking. 696 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: Always, I can't help it. Awesome, Chris, thank you so much. 697 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: It's so fun. 698 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: Thank you and I'll talk to you soon. Thanks for listening. 699 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, 700 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 701 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.