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Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: And it's story time with Mickey on another edition of
Speaker 3: mix Shot. You guys inside podcast studios.
Speaker 4: Well, what are you doing with all that? We're already start.
Speaker 3: So I've got a green notebook, Mickey's got his legal pad,
Speaker 3: and he's got all sorts of other sacks and so
Speaker 3: you know, ever since's got pieces of paper next to
Speaker 3: him over there, and know they have nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the New Orleans Saints, the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4: They are what there is reads.
Speaker 5: I want to make commercials.
Speaker 2: He's a marketing I'm going to make sure Chris has
Speaker 2: trusted to you can trust.
Speaker 3: He's spending his time proof reading periods where they belong
Speaker 3: in copy and so forth.
Speaker 5: And in the meantime, we have.
Speaker 3: Football players arriving on a football field here at the
Speaker 3: Star and for helmets and pads too, Helmets and pads
Speaker 3: once again, how many helmets and pads practices do they
Speaker 3: have it's like seventeen or so. It's like, I don't
Speaker 3: think we don't get them well, but they use them early,
Speaker 3: and maybe there's a certain point in the season, like
Speaker 3: the last few weeks of the season.
Speaker 5: You only have a certain you have to use them.
Speaker 4: Up before a certain date.
Speaker 6: So how do you have My number in my mind
Speaker 6: was thirteen.
Speaker 4: I don't know that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, thirteen padded practices and we already used one last.
Speaker 6: Week, and I think you're limited to one a week
Speaker 6: with that kind of scars without being shape all year long.
Speaker 2: Thirteen I'd be like my body, like, man, I am
Speaker 2: done anything.
Speaker 6: Like Daryl Johnston would always tell me, he goes the
Speaker 6: worst shape I was ever in is at the end
Speaker 6: of training.
Speaker 5: Camp in Austin.
Speaker 2: In Austin.
Speaker 6: Yeah so, but yeah, they don't want to work them
Speaker 6: too hard yep. And I think if you make the playoffs,
Speaker 6: you get an extra one week.
Speaker 4: Wow, one a week? Yeah, okay, well you're welcome.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: So here we are with a practice report in front
Speaker 3: of Mickey's microphone right there that he's looking at at it,
Speaker 3: and the two concerns this week on the practice exactly.
Speaker 6: Right, Jake Ferguson and Marshawn Neelan both were expected to
Speaker 6: start the practice today with the rehab guys, and then
Speaker 6: he said they would see if they can get into
Speaker 6: anything towards the end of practice. But I think when
Speaker 6: everybody goes out there and within five minutes or so
Speaker 6: to watch practice, they'll see that Jake Ferguson was just
Speaker 6: in jersey and shorts.
Speaker 5: You're predicting that, Yes, I'm predicting it. And he didn't
Speaker 5: sneak a peek out there on your way down the hall.
Speaker 6: They're going to see it eventually, right, And that Niland
Speaker 6: was in helmet and pads, So that's a chance.
Speaker 2: A chance.
Speaker 6: And and Ferguson hasn't given up on himself. You know,
Speaker 6: he talked about yesterday it's like the pain with the
Speaker 6: bone bruise. It sounded like he could manage that. The
Speaker 6: deal is your the MCL sprain, which is a low
Speaker 6: grade spray. But he said, you know, if I can go,
Speaker 6: i'll go. But if I can't play to my standard,
Speaker 6: then there's no sense going out there and putting the
Speaker 6: team in jeopardy.
Speaker 3: If you listen to the internet, doctors out there, the
Speaker 3: ones on social media, they say there's no chance with
Speaker 3: a bone bruise.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, and so they diagnosed them from the Yeah
Speaker 2: that's right, okay, you for that absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: Uh So, you know, I think there's some hope.
Speaker 6: But as I just got done saying on my radio spot, there,
Speaker 6: hope doesn't heal.
Speaker 2: I like that, So hope doesn't heal. So well, you'll see.
Speaker 4: We'll see where that one goes.
Speaker 6: And then the other guy that didn't practice yesterday still
Speaker 6: John Stevens with the hamstring, although he was doing some
Speaker 6: running yesterday, not just you know. And both of the
Speaker 6: guys that I just got done, well, all three of
Speaker 6: them when they work on the cords, they were moving well.
Speaker 6: But it's straight line stuff either straight ahead or sideways, right, deliberate, yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's premeditated steps.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So at some point you got to find out can
Speaker 6: you can you play football? So I think that's to
Speaker 6: be determined at this point, and they won't determine it
Speaker 6: till Saturday because that's really their last practice, so they'll
Speaker 6: give an injury for it after that.
Speaker 3: And so on the tight end depth chart, yes, then
Speaker 3: you have Luke schoon Maker, the second round pick from
Speaker 3: last year and Brevian span Ford college free agent this.
Speaker 4: Year, and then after that.
Speaker 2: You said his name correctly.
Speaker 5: Mickey's the one that's.
Speaker 4: I finally listened to it.
Speaker 6: It is span Yeah, or at least somebody that was
Speaker 6: doing a TV spot on them.
Speaker 5: How do you know they have it right?
Speaker 2: Guy?
Speaker 6: It was it was an in house University of Minnesota.
Speaker 5: And so since he was there for six years, you would.
Speaker 4: Take it.
Speaker 2: They got it right and come to Bill the source.
Speaker 6: I like that, uh huh, so he would be second.
Speaker 5: Although you never know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the Ryan Flinoy, Floridy Floy and the
Speaker 3: media guy that says Flinoy. I've never had an opportunity
Speaker 3: to actually ask him. I had to go with what
Speaker 3: the media guide said.
Speaker 4: Basically, the media guy says Florida.
Speaker 3: R yeah, f l A with the accent on the
Speaker 3: NOI all right. So there's a Texas Rangers picture making
Speaker 3: a start tonight, his first major league start. His last
Speaker 3: name is Rocker. His first name is spelled k U
Speaker 3: m A R. So how would you pronounce I know.
Speaker 4: How I would pronounce it, but I hear it's.
Speaker 3: Kumar Kumar Rocker right right. Well, we get an email
Speaker 3: from the Rangers this week, saying, in anticipation of Rocker's
Speaker 3: first major league start, we don't let you let you
Speaker 3: know that the correct pronunciation of his first name is
Speaker 3: Kamar Kamar Kamar, not Kumar. Yeah, so anyway, that's like,
Speaker 3: so you just never know. It's like span everyone's been calling.
Speaker 4: The little U.
Speaker 3: But everyone's been like in the case of Brevin span Ford,
Speaker 3: even though people call him that, that may not be right,
Speaker 3: you know, until we talk to the person himself.
Speaker 2: I did not know we were going down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: And then there was the Texas Rangers pitcher named Esteban Lowisa. Okay,
Speaker 3: and so we got word when I was doing Ranger games,
Speaker 3: we got word that Esteban Lowaisa wanted his name pronounce
Speaker 3: a Stayban Lowisa. So we start calling him a Steban Lowisa,
Speaker 3: And in the next game he does like a public
Speaker 3: service announcement and identifies.
Speaker 5: Himself as Esteban Lawais.
Speaker 6: All right now, cry oh and so, uh, if if
Speaker 6: Ferguson can't go, I think they have a couple things
Speaker 6: they can do. And if Stevens is still unable to play,
Speaker 6: you know, you can call Princeton off the practice squad.
Speaker 6: But he's more of a blocking guy. If you needed
Speaker 6: three tight ends on the field at the same time.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: And then the other thing I think we talked about
Speaker 6: yesterday is a hunter lepke. You can give the full
Speaker 6: back some more snaps in different areas to make up
Speaker 6: for maybe one of the tight ends not being not
Speaker 6: a guy that's going to go down the seam and
Speaker 6: catch a pass, you know, twenty yards downfield.
Speaker 4: But you could do.
Speaker 5: That guy either. Yeah, he's a converted full back exact college.
Speaker 4: So you know, you just just got to adapt.
Speaker 6: You just do different things to uh make sure that
Speaker 6: you compensated for sins not out there. Well, let's remember
Speaker 6: he was second on the team last year with seventy
Speaker 6: one catch up.
Speaker 3: And it tells you a lot how the Cowboys feel
Speaker 3: about their tight end room. When there was a receiving
Speaker 3: tight end that they traded at the end of camp,
Speaker 3: end of the preseason to the Kansas City Chiefs, Peyton Hindershot.
Speaker 3: So they clearly like these other tight ends. And so
Speaker 3: now they soon, probably sooner than they wanted to see it,
Speaker 3: they're going to get their opportunity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And if you can get Stevens out there, then
Speaker 6: I think they'd feel much better about the receiving part
Speaker 6: of the tight end group.
Speaker 5: So, well, that is a guy I hadn't played in
Speaker 5: a NFL game before.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at least yesterday he was doing more than just
Speaker 6: the chords, So that was encouraging that maybe it's coming along.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So now how about the defensive line and with Marshawn
Speaker 3: Neeland And the other thing to consider this week is
Speaker 3: you get al quad in Mohamed back from his suspension.
Speaker 3: He had a one game suspension he served, so I
Speaker 3: assume he's in the mix coming off the suspension list.
Speaker 3: And then you also have a guy like Carl Lawson
Speaker 3: who's on the practice squad. And so if Marshawn Nielan
Speaker 3: can't go, what do you think the options are? Mickey,
Speaker 3: I needed a checkling thing on the quad and Muhammad.
Speaker 4: Because I was thinking maybe I missed.
Speaker 6: It, they released him. They did release it at the
Speaker 6: end of training camp. Okay, yeah, all right, so he's
Speaker 6: not a choice. Well, Tyrus Wheat, it is one of
Speaker 6: the defensive event that's on the fifty three. You can
Speaker 6: use Chauncey Golston out there. Although both of those guys
Speaker 6: played a lot of snaps on the nickel inside as
Speaker 6: pass rushers. Nieland played a bunch inside, so it's not
Speaker 6: just a true defensive end. And and then yeah, you're
Speaker 6: right on the practice squad if they need if if
Speaker 6: Lawson was ready, I don't know if he is or not,
Speaker 6: because remember he just got there at the.
Speaker 5: End of played in a preseason game.
Speaker 4: He played the last preseason game.
Speaker 5: I believe you're right.
Speaker 3: So well, I'm trying to remember he may have got
Speaker 3: into the Vegas game too, but.
Speaker 6: I know he played in the last Well at one point,
Speaker 6: remember they brought him in, Uh, then they let him go,
Speaker 6: so he didn't really practice well.
Speaker 5: They let him go.
Speaker 4: Before the final cut on the final and then they brought.
Speaker 3: Him practice practice squad, which wasn't unusual, and especially considering
Speaker 3: the fact he also factors into that veteran player that
Speaker 3: you don't want to guarantee his contract.
Speaker 4: This week of the season, and at least that's gone
Speaker 4: on around the league.
Speaker 3: You're seeing a lot of veteran guys getting signed to
Speaker 3: the regular roster this week across the league because they
Speaker 3: don't want to guarantee the contracts.
Speaker 6: A personally so so, but you only can elevate two guys, right,
Speaker 6: And they elevated Vigil last week, which was a good
Speaker 6: move because when Kendrick's either dehydration or cramps, heuh. He
Speaker 6: came in and played a couple series before Kendricks.
Speaker 5: I think he had back like snaps yea.
Speaker 6: And he he was on their special teams too, by
Speaker 6: the way, So then you would you would have to decide,
Speaker 6: do I do I need to elevate a tight end
Speaker 6: if Stevens can't go, or do I need to elevate
Speaker 6: a defensive end if Kneeling can't go, or you know,
Speaker 6: you just play Parsons more defensive end. Although they played
Speaker 6: him all over the field and I loved it, and
Speaker 6: I think he did too.
Speaker 4: He seems to be.
Speaker 6: Falling in love with Mike Zimmer By the way, if
Speaker 6: you listen to those his press conference.
Speaker 2: I knew they were going to get along very.
Speaker 7: Well, right, Yes, you know, And you know what it
Speaker 7: is when people talk about guys they're not coachable or anything.
Speaker 7: Players want somebody to help them be better, and once
Speaker 7: they realize that doesn't matter what they're telling them to do,
Speaker 7: they'll listen right.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The other thing on its like in the case of
Speaker 3: Eric Kendricks. There was something that came out that Kendricks
Speaker 3: said something about Zimmer's hard coaching style, and people take
Speaker 3: that out of context and think that that, oh, Eric
Speaker 3: Kendricks would never want to play for Mike Zimmer again, right,
Speaker 3: you know he was miserable there or whatever.
Speaker 5: It wasn't true at all.
Speaker 3: You know, he winds up playing here and he's the
Speaker 3: quarterback of his defense whatever.
Speaker 5: And so it takes.
Speaker 3: Again, Yes, yeah, when you when you take you know,
Speaker 3: someone says something that trying to be open and candid
Speaker 3: about a situation, and then you take people take it
Speaker 3: who don't know anything about it and run with it
Speaker 3: and say, oh, he must not like They assume he
Speaker 3: must not like playing for that coach. No, he was
Speaker 3: just describing situation, you know. Yeah, it doesn't mean he
Speaker 3: doesn't like playing for him at all. So so people
Speaker 3: thought that Parsons wouldn't want to be coach hard like Zimmer.
Speaker 5: His reputation.
Speaker 2: You just knew that they were going to come with
Speaker 2: the same mindset. I could never see them not getting along.
Speaker 6: Plus, he he talked about how he said that you know,
Speaker 6: Mike has kind of given him the opportunity when he's
Speaker 6: on the field, depending on whatever defensive call they have
Speaker 6: to maybe adjusted to what he sees or where he
Speaker 6: sees a weakness on his own without without you know,
Speaker 6: being told, Okay.
Speaker 2: He's always been that person that says, I want to
Speaker 2: get better than where I am made.
Speaker 3: Now right, And then Zimmer he gets finding, he gets
Speaker 3: around Micah and they meet every morning and you see,
Speaker 3: and he figures out how sharp Micah is and how
Speaker 3: football savvy he is, and there's a trust that develops that, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can make that call, you can do you know,
Speaker 3: if you see that, then do it.
Speaker 2: I think what's more important is that he and Kendrick
Speaker 2: get along, not just get along, but understand how they
Speaker 2: can both impact the hell out of this defense. Kendrick's
Speaker 2: doing his thing, he knows the plus is going to
Speaker 2: be over there doing his thing. If they know what
Speaker 2: each other are at all times, man, they can play
Speaker 2: off each other so well.
Speaker 6: And that doesn't mean if he's at linebacker or defensive end,
Speaker 6: just playing off of what each guy's doing.
Speaker 2: Knowing where he could be on any particular play.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: In one of the interesting things for this game, I
Speaker 6: guess I didn't realize that I had just looked at.
Speaker 6: You know, they scored the Saints scored forty seven points,
Speaker 6: and Carr did this and Kamara did this.
Speaker 4: They ran for one hundred and eighty yards. That have
Speaker 4: to be number one in the league.
Speaker 6: Right, So this is going to be a good test
Speaker 6: for this team to see if they are on their
Speaker 6: way to fixing the run defense.
Speaker 2: Ongoing things. Man, Right, this is gonna be all year long,
Speaker 2: at least until let's say Thanksgiving to what we realize
Speaker 2: what kind of run defense do we really have. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna it's not gonna be a fix all. We
Speaker 2: know that Cleveland didn't. That wasn't our you know, best game.
Speaker 2: It won't be our best game. And this will be
Speaker 2: probably one of the worst offensive lines we've gone up
Speaker 2: against when we went up against Cleveland. Right, So now
Speaker 2: you have to realize that this is a more established
Speaker 2: group and they're gonna come in here hoping to do
Speaker 2: just what they plan to do all season long, and
Speaker 2: that's run the ball, play good defense, and just make
Speaker 2: sure a car doesn't have to make too many amazing
Speaker 2: plays because sometimes he can play out outside himself.
Speaker 3: You know, across the league, typically the turnover there is
Speaker 3: from year to year for teams is within it may
Speaker 3: be up to thirty three percent of your roster turns
Speaker 3: over every year. It's for sure twenty five to thirty
Speaker 3: percent of your roster. When you look at the Saints,
Speaker 3: they have kept virtually everybody from last year, and there's
Speaker 3: one Basically they have ten of their eleven starters on
Speaker 3: offense and ten of their eleven starters on defense or
Speaker 3: back this year. And they finished the season so strong
Speaker 3: last year they won four other last five games, and
Speaker 3: the coaching staff is intact as far as defense is concerned.
Speaker 3: Now they bring in Clint Kubiak as their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: It's his first year.
Speaker 3: But that continuity that the Saints have I think is
Speaker 3: telling in why you know it was a mismatch in
Speaker 3: Game one when you're taking on a Carolina team with
Speaker 3: a brand new head coach who did not play his
Speaker 3: young quarterback in the preseason and Bryce young and so
Speaker 3: they were totally out of sorts Carolina was. And so
Speaker 3: now this is going to be a real test for
Speaker 3: New Orleans this week.
Speaker 6: I think both teams, when you're analyzing him, you got
Speaker 6: to throw out the first game. Throw out Carolina, who
Speaker 6: knows what they are or not, and really the Cleveland thing,
Speaker 6: who knows right? You're I mean, you were playing a
Speaker 6: quarterback that has played twelve games over the last what
Speaker 6: three years, with backup tackles, with backup tackles. Now they've got,
Speaker 6: speaking of injuries, their rookie starting left tackle was limited
Speaker 6: in practice.
Speaker 4: With a back. You're not going to say his name, Talise, Talise.
Speaker 4: It was a set up. Last name's Fuaga. I got
Speaker 4: the Fuaga.
Speaker 5: Part right, Well, you didn't say it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 6: I was still struggling on to lease right to Let's see,
Speaker 6: let's go to Leise.
Speaker 5: To lease Fuga.
Speaker 3: Yes, who is the fourteenth pick in the draft out
Speaker 3: of Oregon State.
Speaker 4: So they've got a rookie starting at who.
Speaker 3: By the way, is making the same conversion that our
Speaker 3: right our left tackle is who played right tackle in college.
Speaker 5: Fuago played right tackle at Oregon State.
Speaker 6: And then their right tackle, Trevor Penning, is in his
Speaker 6: third year and reading about him, there was not a
Speaker 6: lot of people happy with his previous.
Speaker 5: A lot of fans and media wanted him. He was first.
Speaker 3: Nineteenth overall two years in twenty twenty two out of
Speaker 3: Northern Iowa.
Speaker 6: And then their left guard Lucas Patt I can do
Speaker 6: this one. Lucas Patrick has a toe injury and he
Speaker 6: did not practice yesterday. So their their offensive line, which
Speaker 6: was under fire before this first game.
Speaker 4: You know, got a couple of injuries.
Speaker 5: They got to You can say the center's name too.
Speaker 5: You got that one down.
Speaker 4: Oh, Eric McCoy, and you got the right guard, says
Speaker 4: our Ruez.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: That's sets the tone there.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Nate and Frisco likes this offensive
Speaker 3: line for the Saints.
Speaker 4: Oh he does.
Speaker 2: That's not good talking with him this morning. That ain't good.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 3: We're just getting started on this edition of mix Shots.
Speaker 3: By the way, ever, since you're not here tomorrow, right,
Speaker 3: not here, so you need to make your picks by
Speaker 3: the end of this show.
Speaker 2: Okay, why can't I just send the man tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Oh you want to let him? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sah, okay, you can have another day.
Speaker 2: Tough game, man, yeah, tough game all right, diagnosed, So.
Speaker 5: We will not tease that ahead for today's show.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow show, but we'll come up with something to talk
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Speaker 3: I just mentioned to Everson, maybe Grambling can get in
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve money. PAC twelve is uh is expanding.
Speaker 3: They you know, they just they were down to two
Speaker 3: Oregon State and Washington State.
Speaker 4: They they've had Yeah, well now there are a six
Speaker 4: pack now there is.
Speaker 2: So there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Oregon State, Washington State. They've added Boise State,
Speaker 3: San Diego State, Fresno State, and Colorado State. So how
Speaker 3: about Grambling State.
Speaker 2: Man, let's take it. So those money for.
Speaker 4: That teams were in a conference.
Speaker 5: Was that there in the Mountain West?
Speaker 4: The West Conference?
Speaker 5: Okay? Yeah, so there there's your opportunity for some money
Speaker 5: there for state.
Speaker 2: Going to the West coast.
Speaker 3: There you go, all right, make it happen, all right, Mickey,
Speaker 3: what's on your legal pad there?
Speaker 6: Well, the Saints had to kind of change up their
Speaker 6: practice schedule. Yeah, there's a little hurricane they came over
Speaker 6: there or a big one. New Orleans ended up with
Speaker 6: in some places eight inches of rain with seventy eight
Speaker 6: mile an hour winds. So what the Saints did yesterday
Speaker 6: is they moved the practice up an hour and let
Speaker 6: the players get away a little bit early so they
Speaker 6: could get home, and the coaching staff had a slumber
Speaker 6: party at the facility. They kept the coaches there overnight
Speaker 6: and so they would in case anything happened, they would
Speaker 6: be there in the morning to have practice today.
Speaker 5: So I don't blame them. That sounded like exactly how
Speaker 5: I did. You know, everything catered for them, you know, right,
Speaker 5: find the couch and sleep.
Speaker 4: It sounded like a lot of power went out.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if they'd move out of there to
Speaker 3: get some work in this way.
Speaker 6: Well, they've got a generator at their facility and metory,
Speaker 6: so they were able to, you know, carry on.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there was a lot of power out.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And the and the big thing there is the flooding.
Speaker 6: And and there was I read where in some streets
Speaker 6: in central New Orleans the water.
Speaker 4: Was up to people's doorsteps.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it happens. That's not the it happened earlier
Speaker 2: this year as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so anyway, they've had to kind of change things around.
Speaker 6: It didn't sound like there was a lot of damage though.
Speaker 6: Maybe trees and.
Speaker 2: Power, yeah, but no power at all.
Speaker 6: I would think that they should be able to fly
Speaker 6: here safely on Saturday.
Speaker 4: So that's one thing that's kind of on my list.
Speaker 3: And by the way, for those of you coming in
Speaker 3: for the game, it's going to be a beautiful summer
Speaker 3: weekend degrees here.
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Speaker 2: Was just saying, man, I'm so glad that that hot
Speaker 2: weather's going and.
Speaker 4: The roof just said that the roof will be closed
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 6: Supposed to be ninety eight to one hundred degrees really, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, back to the summer temps here.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just need to be quiet, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So what strikes you about uh this? Okay, did
Speaker 3: you make your point?
Speaker 6: We were talking about the one hundred and eighty yards rushing, Well,
Speaker 6: some of that rushing ended up being Taysom Hill five
Speaker 6: carries for thirty five yards.
Speaker 4: That's seven yards of carry and they're running him at tailback.
Speaker 4: And let's remember where he started.
Speaker 6: It was with the Packers with Mike McCarthy and he
Speaker 6: was talking about it when we had the walk off on.
Speaker 4: He liked him as a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I heard that this morning.
Speaker 6: And and he said they thought he said, I wasn't sure,
Speaker 6: but he kind of put we thought he can make
Speaker 6: it to the practice squad.
Speaker 4: And he goes.
Speaker 6: He came into my office and we told him, you know,
Speaker 6: we're going to release you, but we're you.
Speaker 4: Know, put you on the practice squad.
Speaker 2: And he goes.
Speaker 6: I think before he made the elevator that Sean Payton
Speaker 6: called and said, we're claiming you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was twenty seventeen. He's now thirty four years old,
Speaker 3: so he was twenty seven year old rookie.
Speaker 4: He's amazing before, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And of course he had gone to b YU and
Speaker 3: so he had a Mormon mission mixed in there too.
Speaker 6: But they're using him as a tight end. They're using
Speaker 6: them all over the place.
Speaker 5: So and they're not using him at quarterback.
Speaker 6: No, but Mike, Mike was He said, I was convinced
Speaker 6: he could play quarterba. Yeah, and but they've they've kind
Speaker 6: of jack of all trades now, and.
Speaker 3: So how would that have she if Aaron Rodgers there
Speaker 3: and if Taysom Hill had stayed there and was good
Speaker 3: if yeah, how could it have played out?
Speaker 2: Jordan? I never thought he was that good.
Speaker 5: No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't gonna. I never thought he could make
Speaker 2: it as a quarterback even, I mean he'd be nice backup,
Speaker 2: a nice backup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would have figured out how to use him.
Speaker 3: They would have used him like it's just like the
Speaker 3: Saints are using him as a you know, h back.
Speaker 2: He's put together very.
Speaker 5: Well, very athletic, four to four speed ye two. So
Speaker 5: that's an interesting little story there.
Speaker 3: It was twenty seventeen two, still going strong at age
Speaker 3: thirty four, So what is it?
Speaker 6: Mike has been in places where he's had to make
Speaker 6: decisions on quarterbacks because, by the way, in two thousand
Speaker 6: and five, when he was the offensive coordinator in San Francisco,
Speaker 6: they drafted Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers and then
Speaker 6: he worked out.
Speaker 4: For him and that he inherited Rogers.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 6: Wonder if Rogers ever held that against him because.
Speaker 4: He ended up being I mean, he didn't.
Speaker 5: Get drafted in this like the twenty fifth pick.
Speaker 4: I was going to say in the twenties, right, and
Speaker 4: Alex Smith was.
Speaker 5: The first number one overall pick.
Speaker 6: Really a little bit different money there, right, that's right,
Speaker 6: especially back then, I think he made up for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right?
Speaker 5: So what about this Saints team concerns you the most?
Speaker 2: Interior?
Speaker 4: Both both offense and defense, right both?
Speaker 2: I love the way they run the ball. Uh, Kamar
Speaker 2: still good? You know, we've almost forgotten about this guy.
Speaker 2: He's been injured a lot the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: At one point he was probably the most talented running
Speaker 2: back in the NFL at one point. That's just how
Speaker 2: good he was. So he's still able to make plays.
Speaker 5: Coming off the season.
Speaker 3: The twelve starts last year, six hundred and ninety four
Speaker 3: yards three point nine yards of carrying, five touchdowns, but
Speaker 3: he had seventy five catches You got to be concerned
Speaker 3: about him catching the.
Speaker 2: Ball all about. He's still that, He's still that guy.
Speaker 2: What they call it the knife set? What do they
Speaker 2: call it? You have all the nice Swiss army Swish
Speaker 2: army knife that, to me, Kamara is close to that.
Speaker 2: He's Taysom Hill and he are both two very all
Speaker 2: around talented players that can do so many things for
Speaker 2: your offense, not just one thing they can They make
Speaker 2: your The team itself is so diverse offensively. You might
Speaker 2: have Kamara running the ball, you might have him catching
Speaker 2: the ball. You might have Tasom Hill under center. At times,
Speaker 2: you might have him playing tight end. So this is
Speaker 2: a This is a team that they know exactly what
Speaker 2: they can do and that their diversity within the offense
Speaker 2: is something that's been shown all since last year.
Speaker 6: And with their new offensive coordinator kobeak Is Clint Clint Clint.
Speaker 3: And Clinch's brother Kleine is an area scout for the Cowboys, right.
Speaker 4: And they're running kind of that forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: He's from the Shanahan Tree West Coast offense, and as
Speaker 6: we know over these last several years, that offense is
Speaker 6: given the Cowboys trouble.
Speaker 4: Not just the scheme.
Speaker 6: I know they got talent, but it's the way they
Speaker 6: run the football and make a priority of running the football.
Speaker 2: My first time going up against the West Coast offense
Speaker 2: was San Francisco and nineteen eighty one they blew us out.
Speaker 2: First game against San Francisco. Of course we end up
Speaker 2: in the championship, regular season, regular season. Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: like forty nine to seventeen or some crowd.
Speaker 3: There wasn't one catch in that game. There were several caps.
Speaker 3: It was a whole.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was ridiculous. I remember Dennis Thurman, I
Speaker 2: think he blocked upon or something. And Tom Lander said,
Speaker 2: that's probably the only play we made all game law
Speaker 2: in that first in that first game, that that West
Speaker 2: Coast offense, I had never gone up against it as
Speaker 2: a as a pro. And just the timing of it all.
Speaker 2: You know, everything was about you know, timing and things
Speaker 2: of that nature to where defensively you had to be prepared,
Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of quick recognition, and I
Speaker 2: had none of that in that first game.
Speaker 6: So Mike was talking about their running game in the
Speaker 6: press conference and he kept talking about how they attacked
Speaker 6: the sea gap, which is further outside or in between
Speaker 6: the tackle.
Speaker 2: The sea gap is in between the guard and attack.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, And he was talking about how it's difficult
Speaker 6: cult because you only have so many guys to plug
Speaker 6: so many gaps, and they try to stretch you out
Speaker 6: where some gaps going to be open, and then you got.
Speaker 4: One cut back like Kamara hit that hole, and then.
Speaker 2: You know, then there's a play. There's a play action
Speaker 2: that comes off of.
Speaker 6: That right, because they can throw the ball. It's like
Speaker 6: a long handoff to him, right. I mean he caught
Speaker 6: five passes, but it was only twenty seven yards. And
Speaker 6: still what they're trying to do is get them in space,
Speaker 6: and boys, he tough in space?
Speaker 2: Is he still is? I remember his workouts being legendary.
Speaker 2: He would practice running on one leg, you know, to
Speaker 2: complete his ballance. I mean he was just ahead of
Speaker 2: his time in that regard. Hadn't heard much from him
Speaker 2: at all, you know, the last like three years, it's.
Speaker 5: Been like sixteen games since he's had a one hundred
Speaker 5: yard game like that.
Speaker 6: He's been injured. I's been dealing with injuries last couple
Speaker 6: of years.
Speaker 3: And then they've got a deep threat in Rushi Shaheed,
Speaker 3: who is We talked about him earlier in the week.
Speaker 3: He's about as fast as Tyreek. He's also their kick
Speaker 3: returner and punk returner.
Speaker 2: We need to start talking more about Worthy the Tyreek.
Speaker 2: I mean he ran the fastest, that's right, That's right. Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well and okay, so he's not near as fast as Worthy,
Speaker 3: but he's as fast as Tyreek.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: He's out a Weber State and was undrafted a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago and has made it in this and
Speaker 3: Chris Olabe, the first round draft pick wide receiver from
Speaker 3: that same rookie class, is their elite receiver with eighty
Speaker 3: seven catches.
Speaker 6: Last year, weaber state Mike Zimmers first. Oh, there you go,
Speaker 6: full time college job after Missouri joined Dave Campo there, Wow,
Speaker 6: I got to know each other.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: So Cowboys versus Saints? What do you think the record
Speaker 3: is the life last thirty years between these since nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, who holds the advantage Cowboys versus Saints? There
Speaker 3: have been fourteen meetings since ninety four. Since ninety four,
Speaker 3: there have been fourteen meetings. What's the record? Who's won
Speaker 3: the most?
Speaker 4: I guess it's almost even.
Speaker 2: I know with me, it's even. What do we got?
Speaker 5: Ten wins for the Saints, four wins for the Cowboys?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: The last thirty years.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you stopped in ninety four. Cowboys owned them
Speaker 4: before ninety four.
Speaker 3: Prior to ninety four, going from nineteen sixty seven until
Speaker 3: ninety four, the Saints only beat the Cowboys three times one, two.
Speaker 5: Three, eight, fourteen.
Speaker 3: Up up to ninety four, the Cowboys were fourteen and
Speaker 3: three against the Saints. Since ninety four. The Saints are
Speaker 3: ten and four against the Cowboys. But the last time
Speaker 3: these two teams met was in the War on a
Speaker 3: Cowboys win twenty seven to seventeen three years ago. It
Speaker 3: was a Thursday night game New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Well, we represented in the eighties, that's all I know.
Speaker 2: We represented that.
Speaker 4: You did the Cowboys beat them in ninety one, Yes,
Speaker 4: they did.
Speaker 3: Last game I covered for The Times December eighth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one.
Speaker 5: That's when it came out.
Speaker 2: You got fired.
Speaker 6: They called at ten o'clock in the press corps in
Speaker 6: the in the Uh it was nine thirty.
Speaker 4: I was there early.
Speaker 6: It was a noon start, and the phone rings and
Speaker 6: I think it was Dave Pelletteer, the Cowboys assistant PR director, says, Hey, Mick,
Speaker 6: your sports that everyone wants to talk to you. And
Speaker 6: I'm going, hell's he calling me at this time of
Speaker 6: the morning, right in the press box, and he goes, Uh,
Speaker 6: I hate to tell you this, but this is our
Speaker 6: last issue.
Speaker 4: You can tell we've been bought out.
Speaker 6: And then you know what he tells me, Uh, save
Speaker 6: me the trouble. Please tell everybody when they show up
Speaker 6: what's taking place.
Speaker 2: You tell everyone.
Speaker 4: So Frank luxA, who had been working there.
Speaker 6: For for I don't what thirty years, I got to
Speaker 6: tell him he doesn't have a job after today.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell anybody, Jack, if I just got fired,
Speaker 2: I'm not telling anybody.
Speaker 4: You're with them, I'm out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, come on, No, you know what the funny joke was.
Speaker 6: If you if you need another good story to put
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Speaker 5: That's right.
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Speaker 3: And then you were on the Cowboys charter the next
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Speaker 5: All right, last few minutes of mixed shots here.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to I may have to bail early
Speaker 3: on you because the segment of the Mike McCarthy show,
Speaker 3: awaits did you hear.
Speaker 6: The ID the beginning of the press conference. No, he
Speaker 6: just realized that David Moore was on the Mike McCarthy Show.
Speaker 6: What he said he said, I you said something to
Speaker 6: David like, yeah, I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 6: I approve that.
Speaker 4: And David goes so I've been doing it for five years.
Speaker 8: He's no, he knows it's a running Joey.
Speaker 4: It's like it was pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Matt damon being invited on Jimmy Kimmel. Is that the
Speaker 2: one yes, I'd like to apologize for.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what what happened last week? And
Speaker 3: I told him at the at the end of the
Speaker 3: first segment. Every week, I said, and then that's uh,
Speaker 3: we're just getting started the Mike McCarthy Show, and up
Speaker 3: next it's David Moore The Dallas Morning News. Well, the
Speaker 3: first show of the year last last week. I'm taping
Speaker 3: it on Thursday, and I said, uh, and hey, do
Speaker 3: you hear who just got his contract renewed? And he
Speaker 3: had this startled look on his face, and I said,
Speaker 3: David Moore, the Dallas Morning News is going to be
Speaker 3: up He just to say so he went to break
Speaker 3: and then McCarthy said, I thought you legitimately had breaking
Speaker 3: news that the quarterback had.
Speaker 2: Hey, no coach, that's Fnday morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that'll be Sunday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what tipped me off that, Okay, I think
Speaker 3: something could be happening here.
Speaker 6: So uh, he had inside Trader information when he asked us,
Speaker 6: do you think it'll happen before the season opener?
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: I said all along though, that it was going to
Speaker 3: happen for the season opener, because it didn't make any
Speaker 3: sense for if they're if they're that close to an agreement,
Speaker 3: to me, it made no sense to but that, but
Speaker 3: take take a risk of injury.
Speaker 6: It wasn't planned that way, right, because they didn't come
Speaker 6: to an agreement untill ten a m.
Speaker 5: Stuff is headline dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they expected to be that dramatic, right, Well.
Speaker 6: It cost him more money in the salary cap because
Speaker 6: he had to play that first game on his.
Speaker 3: Well, we also knew if things were things were pretty
Speaker 3: close to happening whenever one went radio silence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when Jerry says no comment, that's right, that's
Speaker 2: when something that's breaking news. Uh huh, Jerry's not talking
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 3: So do you ever since do you have some final
Speaker 3: comments you'd like to make? Because you're not going to
Speaker 3: be with us tomorrow, however, you will be making your picks.
Speaker 5: You'll be.
Speaker 2: I will be making my picks. I will text them
Speaker 2: in tomorrow. I will not be listening to your show.
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Speaker 5: Show, Senior.
Speaker 2: Senior, I don't know.
Speaker 4: He's got a son.
Speaker 5: That's well, okay.
Speaker 2: About how old is he?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Rolling Paris, he's like alway, he's like fifty.
Speaker 5: Then okay, yeah, oh he's young.
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Speaker 4: Did we did we talk about DeMarcus Lawrence?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 4: I did it on the radio.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: I was just going to say on Mondays they hand
Speaker 6: out the game ball and he got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what happened with that?
Speaker 3: Because the word came out that that McCarthy wasn't going
Speaker 3: to give out game balls because we expect to win games.
Speaker 3: And then and then we find out that demarc has
Speaker 3: got a game ball.
Speaker 6: They don't do it right after our game. He does
Speaker 6: it on the next morning. And so when everybody was
Speaker 6: talking about this guy, this guy, and it's like, well,
Speaker 6: don't forget about defense plays.
Speaker 2: Well, DeMarcus Lawrence has something to do with it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well they got tackles or not. The numbers don't always
Speaker 2: bear out.
Speaker 4: He forces sets the edge, yes he does, backside uh tackles.
Speaker 2: They won't they won't be coming outside. That's one thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we won't becoming. Our problem has always been in in
Speaker 2: the middle. And when it comes to the Marcus Lawns,
Speaker 2: if he could, he would do something about it, but
Speaker 2: they always keep him outside the defensive end. Mike.
Speaker 6: Mike finished it with he had a hell of a game,
Speaker 6: and he did.
Speaker 4: If we look at.
Speaker 2: He's had a hell of a career.
Speaker 4: If we look at the stats.
Speaker 6: Uh, five tackles, two sacks, mmm, three tackles for losses
Speaker 6: and four quarterback hits and.
Speaker 4: A force fumble.
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