WEBVTT - Shadow 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.760 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.560 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.040 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:24.360 Done done. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:35.280 Hello, welcome, So that's messed up an SVU podcast. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.320 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we talk 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.640 SVU crimes. Sometimes we have guests. Not today, spoiler, but listen. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.040 We're back from July fourth, and I mean I was 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.559 in bed pasted. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.240 Out by ten thirty. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.000 Oh my god. I was at Coney Island for twelve hours. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.560 Oh yeah, that'll that'll take it right out of you. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:03.320 That's how it's crazy. It is what hours, like nine 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.679 to nine. Yeah, So we got to the beach at 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.600 nine am and then Paul's daughter this like bar restaurant 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.039 we like on the boardwalk, that's kind of an institution. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.040 We went there at right at eleven as it opened, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.080 and we were there and then it was then we 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:19.640 were drunk. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.840 So yeah, we played games. I don't know if you saw. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.240 I wanted well lane. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.319 There was only one man with a big gaggle of women, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.280 and he won all the toys for us. I saw 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.960 Elaine was the hero of the day. I did see that. Well, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.680 he came back to the table. He just went to 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.880 the bathroom and came back with a little Pikachu. So 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.440 then we were like okay. And then he just kept 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.840 winning us toys, and we all had demands and all 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.440 of us wanted different toys in different games, and he 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.200 was just doing it so good. I love that. Yeah. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.040 Also, he like looks like a Kendall. He totally looks 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.400 like your guy that you're like, hey, cute strong man, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.480 go win me a toy, and he's like be right back, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.280 you know, like that is like Lane's look. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:04.080 So yeah, he was just knocking down milk bottles, those 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.960 milk jugs in one toppling them down, and these are scams. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.680 He popped balloons with a dart thing. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:14.400 Like. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.800 These weren't even just simple. Because then we all played 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.840 the water gun games, so I don't count that as 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.720 a win because we were all playing against like, we 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.960 were all trying to win Julia this one thing, like 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.560 for the demand. But we rode the rides. I went 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.639 into that ball, got jumped, you know, thrown in the air. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:33.320 But we were also just like drinking all night, smoking weed, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.639 so I got home and ate taco. I mean that 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.560 walk home from the train to my apartment. I looked like, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.400 oh you of course we have this podcast together. Remember 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.720 Big Business when the limo leaves them and they're just 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.000 like walking back to the hotel so tired. That's that's 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.360 what I looked like, just holding this giant Ux saladel 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.920 fully just like tanned tits out. Well, I went to 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.680 the to the ride to buy the ball, and he goes, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.000 I'll be right back, and then he comes back. He goes, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.600 you need to put on a shirt, and I was like, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.880 I have a shirt. I have a shirt. But I 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.320 get their fear. They were worrying your tits. We're gonna 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.040 fly out on a ride. That's amazing. Oh but then, 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.760 so I'm wearing an obscure tailor bracelet right now. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:15.919 It says blue dress on a. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.679 Boat And I made it and I really like it, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.480 and a girl in line went loved the tailor, and like, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.919 I was like, yeah, you guys are all like, well, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:25.880 it's very popular. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.200 It's like liking the Seinfeld. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.880 It's like everywhere you go you can meet a Seinfeld fan, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.920 a Tailor Swift fan, Like liking popular culture is fun 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.520 because you can connect with people. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.800 Yeah, it's Taylor Swift is the monoculture. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 Yeah, it's monoculture, and I'm okay. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.480 It's a bear. There's barely a monoculture anymore. And if 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.800 there is, it's Taylor Swift. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.600 Sorry I keep babbling. But it was also Lane's birthday 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.920 this past week, and yeah, I sent him a text, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.360 and so I made him bracelets as well, like of 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.200 his girlfriend's name is Cat's named Florida the bills. But 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.560 I made some Seinfeld ones and I'll share them with you. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.640 Love it. One said the big Salad and it was 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:08.840 obviously green and fun. One said the moops, the moops 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.080 that's from Trivial Pursuit from the Bubble Boy episode. The 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.480 answer was the moors boost the moops. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:16.880 A little upscare, a little scare. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.560 And then one that just said serenity now with like 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.000 serene colors and like a smiley face. But it was 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.480 it was really excite. I mean, I love it. I'm 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.480 a little fat. All of a sudden, my brain broke 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.920 open and I went, I can make people bracelets. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.640 Let's say anything, anything, it doesn't even have to be Yeah, truly, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.640 I've only been making tailor bracelets for months, and all 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.320 of a sudden, I went, well, I like other things too. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.320 Hold on, people have birthdays. I can really spin it around. Well, somebody, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.400 one of our listeners, gave me a ww OBD bracelet 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:54.039 for one of our things, and I posted on my table, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.360 I'm holding it. I have bracelet. I have beads everywhere. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.280 But Rosie put it on as a headband and was 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.880 wearing it over of July weekend. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.000 So I did post that on our Instagram and. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.440 The kids looks cute. The kids looks quintessential Fourth of July. Yeah, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.840 they were being cute. They loved it. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.039 It was kind of Oscar's first year of him being 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.680 able to like be away, stay up and like watch 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.960 the fireworks and stuff. So they had a great time. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.440 We went to our friend's house and they have like 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.240 older kids that are like seven and nine and their 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.320 boys and like fireworks are illegal in La, which is 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.400 lol because people are truly lighting them off, like out 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.680 of like baby carriages. I mean, they're like going off 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.280 crazy everywhere. But they were like, we went to all 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.160 hombro because you can buy them in a hombro. So 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.240 they bought like just the little ones that go off 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.320 on the ground and like spin around and go crazy, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:43.919 and the kids were like dying. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.960 They were in heaven. They loved it so much. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.920 Also, I have to tell you I was sleeping in 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.880 the other day because it was Jared's morning to wake 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.320 up with the kids, and he showed them Beetlejuice without 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.359 even though I had said I think it's too scary. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.279 Turns out I stand corrected. Rosie was not scared at all. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:05:59.880 She was pissed that it took so long for me 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.960 Juice to show up on the screen, and she was 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.920 annoyed he was not wearing a black and white striped 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:04.839 suit the entire time. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.080 She was like, what he's not wearing? Me out? I really, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.920 I already texted you this, but I feel like Rosie's 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.800 going to Beetlejuice for Halloween. Love it. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.920 I would love it. It's pants, it's perfect. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:16.159 He's so good. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.760 I can totally get her Beetlejuice. But here's what's crazy. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.839 First of all, we're in the car today talking and 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.880 she mentioned something about Beetlejuice and Oscar goes remember when 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.480 the sandworm is chasing Barbara, and I started laughing so hard. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.920 I don't even remember yes, I'm like Gena Davis. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.320 Like he he doesn't know who Geena Davis is. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.400 He knows who Barbara Maitland is from Beetlejuice. Well, you 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.040 guys can be them when they turn scary. That's kind 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.960 of a classic out high in costume with the eyes 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.200 and the big mouth and stuff. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.320 And Rosie was like, whatever, the sandworms weren't scary. They 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.440 were just like the snake in Jack Skellington. And I 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.200 was like, actually, they're the same guy who made both movies. Like, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.719 she's she's seeing the threads between Tim Burton movies. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.840 She isn't an IMDb household and it's coming out. Yes 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.600 for sure. Wow, She's yeah, she's gonna be She's gonna 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.000 be winning cinematrix by the time she's like six. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.960 Family that we've been, we've been like total. We've been 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.600 taking them to so many freaking movies because it's so hot. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.840 So we've taken them already to see Inside Out, to 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.480 Garfield and we just saw Despicable Me four on this weekend, 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.800 so we are and not in this weekend, but next weekend, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.880 Jared's taking them to Lelo and Stitch at the New 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.880 Beverly I mean, we're we're all over the place here 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.800 with movies, and they are they're gonna be cinophiles. Yeah, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.080 starting with Leelo and Stitch and Beetle Juice. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.760 Yeah, I'm so happy they like Beetle Juice. But I 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.520 knew it because they like Halloween. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.080 Yeah, they loved Jumanji. That was another Lisa wreck. They 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.800 watched Jumanji and Rosie was like, they were asking me 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.800 so many questions about it afterwards, like when the boy 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.920 turns into a monkey, why is he talking because he 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.160 wasn't talking before. I'm like, I don't know, he just 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:58.920 starts talking. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.240 But they were, Yeah, they we had a fun little 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.000 fourth I mean a stampede. It's a fun movie. David 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.200 Ellen Greer. I mean Robin Williams. I mean we talk 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.440 about him all the time on the pod. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.840 Yeah, true, A true treasure. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.800 Oh my god, you know how I'm addicted to trying 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.640 to be a regular at my coffee shop. I did 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.080 see one of the workers at Coney Island, but everyone 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.320 was like, leave him alone, and so I didn't say anything. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.480 But he noticed me too. The little shop was talking 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.720 like they were like, he said, you were there. I'm like, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:37.000 I knew it. And I got another free coffee. Yeah, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.600 we both we both clocked each other. I mean I go, yeah, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.960 I live, you know right here, and they were like, yeah, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.079 we see you here all the time. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.920 Okay, so here's okay. So on fourth of July, I 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.200 actually did escape my family for a couple of hours 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.559 and I went to my our friend Nicole's house for 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.960 a pool party that was no kids, and I was 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.120 like happy to leave them at home. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.960 And she also doesn't just have like a regular house. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.400 It is like a gorgeously unique tiled skull. Yeah, we're 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.679 all like I've never I've only seen on the internet, but. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.360 Yeah, it's her house is beautiful. But it was also 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.360 nobody was really allowed in the house for the party. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.440 She had like the door shut and was like no inside, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.600 Like she had people in the poolhouse like to change 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.440 and use the bathroom and stuff, but like no, I 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.480 think she wanted to keep everybody outside. Yeah yeah, but 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.960 but like when I go over, she's very into showing 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.040 off all of like because she's done a lot of 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.040 cool renovations to it, so I know she likes to 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.160 show it off, but I don't think she wanted to 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.920 do for this. But one of so one of her 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.800 friends is there and has like a sixteen year old. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.640 So I was like, tell me about being a mom 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.640 of a sixteen year old. I'm just like interested in 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.120 like teens and like what's going on. She's like, well, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.960 last night she came home and her phone was dead, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.120 so I did not know where she was. She came 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.320 home at midnight and I could tell she'd been drinking, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.000 and I was like, what happened? 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.080 Like what did you do? 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.720 And she basically she you know, she tries to be 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.719 kind of like a stern but cool mom. She's like, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.120 my daughter has friends whose parents are like never around, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.760 and so they call me when they need help. So 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.360 I'm trying to like stay that person that they'll call. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.000 And I'm like interesting, like, but she's also like, my 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.560 daughter will tell me stuff and I'll be like that's unsafe, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.400 that's unsafe, and she'll be like, if I'm going to 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.280 tell you stuff, you can't say that, like you can't 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.280 be giving me all this feedback. And she's like okay, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.520 So she tries to just like listen, but they were 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.040 telling me about fuck now, what are they called booze bombs? 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:21.640 Boozball? 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.720 Do you know what I'm talking about. They're like busbos, buzzballs, buzzballs. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.160 I never heard of them. They're always like at the 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.640 checkout of a Binnie's liquor depot or something. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.760 So I had never heard of these, And these are 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.120 the hot things with the kids now because like, first 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:36.800 of all. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.280 The flavors are wild. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:39.400 I mean, like she. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.320 Told me her daughter was drinking some kind of like 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.840 you know, lemonade, cotton candy bullshit that's like made for 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.160 like kids, but it's also like plastic, easy to like 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.120 put in your backpack. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:50.240 I didn't realize they were. 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.760 Also there's a market for those because of places like 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.680 the Hollywood Bowl and places where you can't bring in 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.480 glass but you want to like bring your booze. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:57.319 Yeah. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.360 So then I saw they have these huge buzz balls 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.480 now they're like the size of your head. I don't 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.400 know if those are called like mega buzzballs or what 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:04.760 the fuck? 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.720 What are the biggies? They're called biggies, But what do 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.480 you do with them if they're the size of your 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.840 you just chug it product. I think you bring them 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:13.440 to a party. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.040 I don't know, like, but she was saying like she 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.120 would pick up her like one of her friend's kids 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.560 friends bags and be like this is pretty heavy, and 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:21.880 then like I'll put it up and there'd be like 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.760 a biggie buzz ball in there, like the huge and 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.559 like I just am like really strapping in for teen 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.240 years because it sounds like it's gonna be wild. But 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.280 I had not heard of buzzballs, and so I had 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.240 a long conversation in the pool with some girls about 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.360 buzzballs and I don't know, should I be bringing buzzballs 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.360 to my next concert? 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.360 Like what let's try it for? 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.280 I mean, I just think sometimes these pre mixed cocktails, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.280 especially like this ball type situation too sweet, Like I 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.760 don't want you gotta be care. I think you should 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.600 try it before you invest and bring it to a concert. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.360 I also went to a party that was a book party, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.679 so there was like sponsored alcohol and I don't know 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.280 the name it and I want to talk shit on it, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.840 but like it was like a cosmo in a can 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.000 and it was truly disgusting. Like I was like, did 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.160 anybody taste test this? Like this is horrible, and I 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.600 like it wasn't even too sweet. It was just a 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.640 bad taste, like I like sweet shit, you know, but 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.520 it was well, but I think some people are getting 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:17.800 it right. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.360 I like the way highnuons taste. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.760 I like, uh, but that's that's like there's a little 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:23.800 seltzer to it, right. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.920 But high nuns are alcohol like, like white claws are 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.880 malt liquor, I think, but high nuns actually have like 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.920 tequila or vodka in them. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.480 Well, one we did. I did shoot my first day 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.440 with Michelle again Survival of the Thickest. Yeah, season two. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.360 Maybe it was fun. It was like really fun. I 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.319 just like I like feeling when I'm a working actress 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.760 in New York. I love it. I love it, like 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.360 one of our guests. But then I should have ca 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.080 I knew I should have canceled. But I actually had 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.920 a great time. But I had a bar show where 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.640 my spot, like two shows in a row er, is 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.880 eight thirty and eleven in this bar, and I'm like, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.400 I can't belie I'm gonna be there all night. You know, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.840 we have work to do. But I actually did research 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.120 on my phone in the back of a bar, and 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.079 I don't think I'll do it again because it did 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:14.640 depress me. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.560 Yeah, I was gonna say not exactly the right amp 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.640 up fuel for getting on stage to be funny. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.960 No, people were like, are you working on your set. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.199 I'm like, no, I would say I'm a horrific murder 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.720 a horrific murder article. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.880 But I literally brought my laptop to Rosie's gymnastics yesterday 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.640 and was finishing some of my research and I was like, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.000 if we're all on Risers there, so I was like, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.840 the person behind me can easily see that. I have 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.480 my split screen up and I'm watching an episode of 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.240 SVU and researching a murderer like at the same time, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.240 and like I have the captions on for SVU and 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.880 it's like, oh, so it's SMM stuff. Oh a Little 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.640 Dog and Pony show, like you know what I mean. Like, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.280 it's just like they're not good. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.400 They're not good to be in a kid's gymnastics place. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.920 So I was there online, but I had a great 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.000 chicken wrap I do like a tiki bar, and you 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.280 know what it is, Like some of our listeners were there. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.840 Someone was wearing a Benson shirt, so shout out Tia. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.840 I was like, you're obviously a listener. I can't believe 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.000 you're seeing me like this. But by the time I 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.360 went up, there was maybe eight people people were off 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.160 the street. I mean it was like a bar show 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.840 where not everyone knows there's a bar show. Oh so, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.120 you know, it's just been a while and it was 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.760 really a good time. But the second show, this maniac 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.040 comes on. I've never seen him before. He kind of 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.120 looks like the Roger Rabbit bad guy. I was a 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:34.360 little bulgy, just a little weird, a little unhinged, just 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.800 kind of jitter like, just unsettling, I would say, and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.480 it's not going well and the vibe is weird. Then 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:45.120 it gets really sexual. He's you know, he likes glory 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.040 holes whatever, but got it. Oh god, he brings out 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.360 and it was like a statement. There was no joke, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.840 but he legit was just like I'm really into lactation porn. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.040 And then he's like, I looked around the room, I 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.160 don't see anyone's breasts are engorged right now, just like 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.960 the craziest thing. I was in the back shocked. And 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.280 then there was one woman she couldn't stop laughing because 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.480 it was just the and everyone was like, no one 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.400 knew what to do. Then he did a joke of like, yeah, 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.280 you know, guys, when you pretend to like pussy, but 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.160 then you just want to get a toe in their mouth, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.680 but you have to pretend and then you can suck 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.920 on a toe. And I was like, I went up 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.200 at the end, I go, do you remember when we 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.560 all witnessed that? And it was just this like cathartic 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.640 moment because it was one of the crazier sets I'd 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.320 seen in a Wow, it's really crazy when people just 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.960 think they can get up and just say the weirdest 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.680 things about themselves and that that that's. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:42.800 Just it for comedy. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.400 Oh well, my god, I'm so fucking annoyed. So there 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.880 was someone that I hate going up and my friend 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.640 had just gotten off stage and she killed killed. So 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.280 she got off the stage, we chat, she has another spot. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.240 She runs around the corner. So this motherfucker, while she's 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.040 not in the room, starts making fun of her but 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.120 not in a fun way, and they're not friends, and 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.560 this person sucks. So all of a sudden, he goes, yeah, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.280 give it up for that lesbian. She's not gay, But also, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.200 what's the punchline? You know what I mean? Like that 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.200 makes no sense to me, and then he goes, ugh, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.640 you guys were clapping for thirty six in single what 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.040 You Women? Are delusional. You're all past your prime. I 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.200 don't know why you'd be clapping for that. That's why 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:26.920 none of you are like in charge, you know, like 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.120 and I'm in the back and you know, I'm in 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.840 a rage. And so he gets off stage and in 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.480 the corner, I go, yo, I think it's fucked what 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.480 you said about my friend while she wasn't in the room. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.640 And he goes, oh, we're friends. I go, oh, I 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.000 text her everything you said. She doesn't like seem to 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.520 like it, and he goes, We're just we're friends. And 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.240 I go, well, I think it's fucked up what you 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.120 just said. He leaves. Servers come up to me and 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.040 be like, yeah, fuck that guy, thanks for saying that. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:54.680 That was bullshit. You know she killed? 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.000 I go, of course, she fucking killed. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.880 Then I wake up the next morning to a screenshot 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.400 of a message he sent her going, hey, I just 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.720 got yelled at on your behalf. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.080 I did not yell. I was in the showroom. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.480 If I had yelled, I would have interrupted the show, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.720 he goes, and then he writes, in front of a 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.040 large group of people, I go, I couldn't have done 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.080 it more respectfully. You got off stage. I didn't even 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.000 talk shit about it. I went right to your face 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.520 and said what you said was fucked up. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.360 He's also calling a girl who's not a lesbian a lesbian, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.560 like he obviously has no grasp of reality. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.800 Like now he's like an alt right maniac, you know, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.840 like no one likes him, Like most of the servers 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.520 were coming up to me to be like, I hate him, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.480 but now I've written tons of new material just at 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.600 the hope of me going after him again because if 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.960 he just he doesn't know who the fuck he's fucking with, honestly, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.399 but also how dare you lie? And it was just 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.399 like this is what men do. This is also like 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.240 they record all our sets. So I wrote show or 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.760 the tape. Yeah, roll the tape like the Unions, roll 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.720 the tape the tape. Yeah, Let's see if you're piggy 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.960 he called it piggybacking. I'm like, let's see if it's funny. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.679 And it's like, I love when people make fun of me, honestly, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.879 it's my favorite thing in the world. But I gotta 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.080 like you, and you also can't be a hateful like 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:08.000 right wing punk. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.280 Yeah, it has to be funny. It has to be funny, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.399 funny is funny? Yeah, what you just said, she's past her? 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:14.919 Like she's true, I don't know. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.199 And it's like you obviously don't value women also, so 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.800 like fuck you, but I can't wait to follow you again. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.159 Bro oh god, ill gross. But then what happens with 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.280 these people because this used to happen with this other 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.920 comic that it was always there. Now he's successful, even 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.840 though you know things are so unfair for her white men. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:35.000 But I then hate the audience because when the oh, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.159 because while he's talking about her and doing all that 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.919 and how women should like get married and like you're 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.240 past your prime and you're desperate and all this stuff, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.560 a man straight up yelled out yeah brother, oh like 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.800 people were clapping like suddenly, the like all right energy, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.440 you know the pockets that are usually a shape, people. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.000 Were like clapping like amen. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.120 And so it's like if it was your friend, you'd 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.760 be like, oh, actually no, no, no, I actually hate you. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.720 And it's like, no, you want that you did it 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.879 on purpose. And I was in the fucking room. I 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.560 usually leave when you go up because I hate you 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:09.080 so much. Oh my god, wait for you to tell 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.679 me who this is off? Mic. But Anyways, I was 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.720 just so mad that I saw that message. I got 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.920 yelled at. It's like, honey, please, you are not yelled at. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.560 You want to, You'll know what you're gonna yelled at. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.560 But yeah, it makes me hate the audience. So then 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.280 I have to like hyde myself down to be like, 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.240 just do your set. Don't remember that, Like, yeah, because 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.480 when I go up angry, it's not fun. It was 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:36.359 one guy. It was one guy, like because when I 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.520 go up angry, it's like not as much fun totally. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.879 But I then hate the crowd because I'm like, oh, 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:48.360 you fucking losers. Yeah, yeah, ooh ooh, I know, god gross. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.200 Wait we did have well, I mean Orfe and Andy 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.439 Carl broke up. He did her dirty. He's been on 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.160 the podcast, She's been on the podcast shots. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.199 This is okay, this is worse, and this is like 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.360 eight months old. Yeah, we're pivoting to a gossip corner now. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.720 But we realized we never talked about this on the podcast. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.600 A few of you have messaged us. I actually heard 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.200 about this on who Weekly the other podcasts that I 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.480 that I listened to, because I had I had seen 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.040 the message that went up where he posted to his 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.800 Instagram saying like like, respect our privacy while we go 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.840 through this time and blah blah blah. So Andy writes 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.280 this thing and I'm like, oh no, they broke up. 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.720 That's so terribly Like we interviewed them both like last year. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.920 They are they seem so in love, Like whatever's that's upsetting? 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:28.119 You know? 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.680 We love this so together for decade two days, right, decades? 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.560 Yeah, like singing together, this and that. So I don't 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.520 think anything of it. But I did go to her 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.680 page and see that she had not posted anything, and 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:40.560 I was like, interesting. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.120 Then I didn't think anything of it. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.520 Then I listened to this WHO Weekly episode where they 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.280 talked about how what happened was he apparently went over 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.800 to Australia to do Groundhog Day the musical, and he 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.520 was there for like a long time, fell in love 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.800 with his co star, then had her or fe come 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.600 all the way out to Australia were allegedly and this 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.879 is all alleged. I really like both of them and 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:03.879 don't want to, you know, get them mad at me 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.119 or whatever. But I'm just saying what I heard on 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.520 this thing that he like kind of they had this 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.960 nice little time where he paraded around Australia. This is 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:12.720 my wife, is my wife, and then like right before 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.960 she left to come back to the States, he ended 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.200 their marriage and was like I'm dating my co star 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.000 or whatever, which is like so fucking crazy, And then 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.680 I think he posted that thing without asking her. So 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.399 I don't know, baby Dods, We're not happy. We're not 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.879 happy with that kind of treatment of our girl Orfe here. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.800 I'm so can you not be so cliche? 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.200 I know, it's like crazy, I don't know, and the 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.240 whole parade, because then if you were like, listen, I 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.880 fucked up, don't come visit. I am cheating on you. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:50.280 That's one thing to pretend all is good and then 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.560 it switches. That's a psychopath. Sorry. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.400 And also why did they not put Orfe on Real 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.320 Housewives of New York, Like this would have been a 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.159 great storyline, you know, or it would be great on 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.520 the Real house She was telling us that she was like, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.680 you know, interviewing for it or whatever. But Share is 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.160 her godmother. I'm sure that she will. They're hanging onward 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.560 and upward, they're hanging out. I'm sure like or Fe 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:21.159 will be you know, bopping around Broadway more and I 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.280 I mean, I wish her the best. Wait, one other 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.440 thing I was gonna say, I posted this. This is 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.359 the last thing, and then we're really gonna start. I 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.680 posted this on our Instagram over the weekend. But Stephanie 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.720 March did this little I don't know if you saw, 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.640 but Stephanie March did this little interview with People magazine 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.879 about like turning fifty and like how you know, like 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.240 what she's focusing on in her life and stuff, and 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.560 how you know for fifty she's gonna do some fabulous 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.000 travel thing. And Stephanie March, I mean, we had her 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.000 on the podcast We love her. She seems like she's 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:49.000 living her best life. 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:49.800 But she had this. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.080 Story about how one time on the set of SVU, 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.040 her and Judith Light had a conversation about being child 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.520 free by choice, and Judith Light was like. 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.359 Let me tell you something about people that don't have kids. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.560 We're fine, like and they had this like there's this 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.280 great quote in it where she's like, Judith Light is 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:06.720 the one that told me that I would have like 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.240 a great fulfilling life without kids. And I was like, hell, yes, 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.040 I love imagining that conbo of like Judge Donnelly and 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:17.600 Cabot just chatting about how they're gonna be fucking boss bitches. 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:18.040 And not have kids. 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:18.800 I have kids. 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.320 Look, I love my choice to have kids. Kids are wonderful. 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:23.399 Just not doesn't have to be everybody's choice. And I 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.760 think these two women are examples of two women having 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.840 an amazing life without kids. 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.080 And yeah, it's you know, the thought of Judith Light 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:36.360 and the thought of them just hanging outch. 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:36.919 Hanging out chatting. 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.280 I thought, like I always am assuming the words I 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.479 thought you were gonna be like. And then Dan Flora 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.720 came up to them and be like, yeah, you gotta 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.160 have a baby. JK, he's child free as well. 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.840 Like Dan Flora walks up and goes, I'm really into 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.040 lectation Born No, no, we gotta stop this, we gotta 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:52.880 stop rock. 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.399 I don't even think SVU has tackled lactation. No, the 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:57.200 only show I. 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.640 Know that he was like, he was graphic. 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.359 He goes, I just wanted to squirt it in my 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.119 mouth and we were all just like jaws on the floor. 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.280 American Horror Story is the only show I know that 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.720 is fucked with that. And that's because they fuck with anything, 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.600 all right. Casey's seriously about to wave a thirty flag 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.480 at us. We've got to start, but okay, we're starting. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.520 Don't say anything. Check that's messed up live dot com. 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:19.720 I'm coming to Toronto. 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.320 Yeah, and we've got some great merch up there, some 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.439 tanks for summer, some teas for summer. Get up there, 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.760 grab some do you have children detective stuff and also 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:29.960 all of our promo codes are up there as well. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.520 If you want to support our the things we do 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.160 promos for so that they keep promoting us, that would 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:35.720 be wonderful. 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.840 But let's get started. This episode is iconic. 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.280 All right, Lucky ducks. We are doing Shadow season eleven, 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:50.119 episode twelve, so that's pretty thrilling. And we were just 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.239 talking that this is camp. This is the most one 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:54.720 of the like you would think the one with the 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.760 monkey out of the basketball is crazy. Honestly, that seems 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.800 more realistic than what is the The silly. 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.359 Way this one rolls out is hilarious to me, Like 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.560 there are so I mean, I can't wait for us 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:07.040 to get into it. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:08.160 It's the funniest episode. 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.359 But what I love is that I think I've maybe 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.400 only seen it twice, so I was forgetting a lot 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.560 of details like I remember Navin Andrews coming in, I 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.280 remember like the basic plot, but I was like, oh 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.440 my god, what Like I just remember, like I love 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.200 when I see an old one like that I haven't 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.040 seen and it kind of feels new to me again. 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.320 But also like she is a good actress and it 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:32.720 is like, what are you doing like this? Yeah, people 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.720 for the Camp Red Carpet should have worn a TV 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.640 with this episode playing and they would have gotten on 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.080 my best dress list for sure. 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.040 Wait now, I really want to know now that you 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.160 say that, I really want to know where this fell 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.720 in Sarah Paulson's career, Like it's twenty ten. She wasn't 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.760 doing twelve years a slave and then going right to 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.320 SVU right, Like there's there's no way, right, Okay, let's 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.480 see twenty So. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.879 The Vulture game it's every day now weekends too. Ooh, 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.159 I guess something yesterday that had zero percent? Zero percent 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.320 was how many other people guessed it? That's amazing? How 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.400 is that? Like they're like, you're the only one, You're 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:09.960 the only person. I think I was because it's in 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.200 pyramid and you do get lower percents than that first 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.960 drove pyramids. But I guess the movie Andre, did you 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.240 watch that in the nineties, The Girl with a Little 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.560 Seal with the Seal? Yeah, So I don't know why 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.840 more people didn't guess it. It's so funny. 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.040 You just have like these classics from like Cable and 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:25.560 stuff that we but able. 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.600 I saw in the movie Theater my brother I got Swizzlers. 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:30.960 It was a huge moment in my life. 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.800 Well, she, Sarah Paulsen, was like mostly a TV girly 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.840 at this point. I would say like she was in 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.520 desk stylish is yes, true, but she was in like 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:46.560 twelve Years of Slave Carol, like Oceans eight, you know, 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.880 like she started becoming like more of like a lot 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.000 of Oh my god, she was in the Goldfinch. I 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.119 read that book and never saw the movie. Anyway, My 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.520 point is I could see why she did like this 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.680 episode she did a graze the same year, you know 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.280 what I mean? Like, or she plays why does this 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.560 say she? Oh, she plays a young doctor Ellis Gray. 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.639 I think she's Kate Burton young. Right, I'm not a 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.560 Gray girl me neither. Anyway, you'll all write us, I'm sure, 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.640 but go on start your recap. I'm just like interested 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:14.720 in where the spell and Sarah. 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.240 Also, since I did just say lucky duck, I do 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.160 just want to give a shout out that I did 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.680 see a family of geese and I'd never seen baby 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:26.720 geese before, so it was like five of five babies 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.560 and two parents, and it was really cute. They're gray 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.920 and fuzzy, and I understand why they're so protective of 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.960 they're young, because the. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.000 Classic American family. I love it. 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:40.680 I don normative vibes. 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:41.920 And this starts out normal too. 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.920 A butler kind of man walks into a home with 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.240 an eggshell yellow wall. I would say color just very 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.200 I liked it. I really liked it. And so then 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.360 there's fresh flowers. We could tell this is an affluent situation. 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:59.240 The guy yells out for mister and missus Gillette, and 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:00.720 then he goes its, Hey, it's Mike. You know, do 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.399 you want me to load the luggage? So maybe it's 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.080 a driver or a jack of all trades. And I 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.400 don't know why I get so specific about like people's 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.119 jobs sometimes, but it is an illness I have throughout 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.560 this podcast. So then he's yelling about traffic. A dog 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.840 runs down. He's excited to pet this little cutie, but 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.200 the Qt then is covered in blood. So the man 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.920 now understands something's going on. He slowly opens the bedroom 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.800 door upstairs, and Mike is like, Hey, it's Mike, It's Mike. 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.840 He flips on the light. So much blood I would 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.360 say the most blood I've ever seen on the show. 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:35.520 Dexter Morgan all over this place like splatter, right, it's spatter, splatter, 0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:37.320 what's the right one? We got? School? I don't know 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.720 what the difference is between the ladder. We knew for 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.800 a while, Caro, we knew for a while, and it 0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:44.440 just left us, but we did know. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.240 Okay, Okay, spatter is for a liquid that is scattered 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.280 in small drops, while the ladder is used for a 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.800 liquid that is sprayed in large amounts or in a random, 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:54.719 careless manner. 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.760 Okay, those both sounds similar, Like there's big splashes and 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.920 little so there's splatter and splatter of book okay, yes, 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.320 while ceiling, bedding or outfit. I mean, it's a dead 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.400 couple and we're at an active crime scene, so an 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.000 unknown tech, Ben and Benson and Stabler are there, and 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:14.280 it's an initial vibe is murder suicide and and the 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:15.760 did you not think it was wild? 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.560 That the guy pulled back the If that was you, 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.000 if you walked into a bedroom and you saw a 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:25.640 comforter over something lumpy and blood truly coating the walls, 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.080 I don't think I would touch the comforter. 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.280 I don't think I want to open it. It might 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.040 be one of those situations where you lose control, you know, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.080 like where you just have to look or something. And 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.840 I guess because if somebody was alive there would you 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.080 would see movement of breathing, or you would hear whimpering 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.920 or something. It's like, just I don't know. I was 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.120 I thought it was kind of wild. The chauffeur was like, hello, like, 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.760 but yeahbe it could have been one of them the 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:55.000 other maybe that one of them could have been like ugh, yeah, 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:59.960 I don't know, but it is interesting. But whatever the blood, 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.640 you know, consistent with the story of a murder suicide situation. 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.120 They find a hatchet by the fireplace and then a 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:06.640 gun on the. 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:07.600 Bed by his hand. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.280 Benson was like, jam, why would he turn his wife 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:20.800 into chopped liver? Which now I'm craving honestly, Okay, sorry 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.720 about that cough. Well, honestly I had that cought a 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:29.120 FedEx and I the guy went, oh, summer cold. I go, honestly, 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.959 it's a cough that won't leave. I I smoke too 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.960 much weed. I go, I'm just gonna have a coff 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.200 with the rest of my life. He goes, oh nice, 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.320 I'm gonna comp your envelope since you like weed. Oh nice? 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.600 Can you believe it? What a day? 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.720 It's like Lisa I like, it's like Lisa Trager's neighborhood. 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.400 Like you're just coming around getting a boba, getting free envelopes, 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.120 talking about weed with the post office. 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:54.000 It's a fun that's a better cartoon. 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.800 But anyways, okay, So Elliott goes, h oh. So Benson's like, 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.520 why would you turn this wife into Choppliver And Elliott goes, ah, well, 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:07.360 you haven't been married a get a life Elliott, yeah, so, 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.040 and and your wife is a saint. Yeah. 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.120 It's like you want to kill Kathy. She's not staying 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.520 home enough raising your five children. 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.640 And it seems like she's hot for you. It seems 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.120 like they do have romantic scenes. She's taking care of 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.520 all your kids, she doesn't care when you come home, 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.080 like what do you want? It is just kind of 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.960 like cheesy, old like people making fun of marriage kind 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.000 of thing. You know, Well, for sure, I just think 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.440 he's kind of in a great situation. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.920 So then we hear a miss you can't go in 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:43.800 here screamed off camera, but in runs in Sarah Paulson, okay, bitch, hi, 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:49.000 And so she's crying at their bed and drops to 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.720 her knees. What happened? What happened? Benson pulls her up 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.920 to her feet. Sadler thinks, we think the dad murdered 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.000 the mom and then took his own life. And you know, 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.200 but maybe we should investigate. For more than five seconds, 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.800 Benson pushes a blonde Sarah Paulsen out of the room. 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.080 She twists back and says, oh, mother, why would he 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.680 do this to you? End credits. So and her accent 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.040 is rich person accent, like she's not British, but she's 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:18.400 not talking like you and I. There's a prep school 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:23.440 vibe to her enunciation. Yes, I just feel like once 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.960 she played I didn't even watch this season, but once 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.000 she played a two headed person in the Carnival a thing, 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.880 I was like, I guess you're really talented, you know 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:37.000 what I mean? If you're playing attached twins all day on, 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.640 like okay, girl, get it, get that bag. 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.000 It's just like it's kind of wild to me. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.680 So we're back, We're in the work hallway and Craigan's like, 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.959 why did you duck out of the Geleste early? Warner 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.400 said you were gone by the time she got there. Okay, 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.000 playing hooky, but they said they needed to take the 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.040 daughter home. She was a mess, and so they didn't 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.040 really get anything out of her though. So Craigan says 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.120 that Warner threw away the murder suicide theory. They look 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.760 shocked as hell, even though they were on the scene 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.479 for less than a minute. Like, I come on, guys, 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.360 like you yelled at Stucky about this and now you're 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:13.120 being Stucky. 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.920 I just I don't like when they go against type. 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.640 There's just like little moments where suddenly Benson goes, I 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.720 don't know, she feels like she's lying to me, where 0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.360 I'm like, Ben's he would not do that. Like, I 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.080 just don't feel like they would do this kind of 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.440 bad detective work. JK. They always jump to conclusions. Okay, 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:36.400 so the gunshot wound to Daddy Warbucks. Craigan says that 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:41.040 So was inconsistent with self infliction because no gun residue 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.280 on the hand, So double homicide. And they better do 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.720 good because these rich people are connected as hell. They're 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.360 cop lovers, like every rich person on SVU. They bribe 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.160 the mayor and the commissioners on speed dial. 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.760 But like, are they committing that much crime any this way? 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.720 Like why on speed or just rich people give to 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.320 cops because they are succession vibes murdering people? What is up? 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.439 I don't know. That's a great quest. 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.759 I mean, you definitely do it so that in case 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.320 anything ever happens, you've got them in your pocket. 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.440 I would say that the true crime that. 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.800 I'm going to talk about is gonna maybe illuminate a 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:18.360 little bit of that. 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.359 Wow, I'm really excited about that. So and a lot 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:23.320 of political pals. 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:23.720 Okay. 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.080 So then Benson goes, okay, but this isn't a DV 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.600 case anymore, So give it to homicide piece bitch, and 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.160 he goes, nope, they are special victims. And Stabler's like 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.680 what because they're rich and connected, And he goes, yeah, 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:40.800 so go do it. So I like that even the 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.799 higher ups know that these are an elite form of detectives. 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.960 You know, So craign sends the duel back to the 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.439 house to check it out with fresh eyes. 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.800 Okay, so the glass whatever. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.040 So basically we see that one pane of the glass 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.759 was cut out of the home and it's easy to 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.160 put your arm in, reach around and open the thing. 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.920 And Stabler's being kind of shitty, like, oh and you 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.800 missed this. He's like, yeah, we were in the bedroom. 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.360 You guys are the ones who jumped to conclusions. So 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.360 then the detectives are also like, well, how did it 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.920 not trip the alarm? The unknown text says individual pains 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.880 aren't wired, but because they wanted it to look cute, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.360 so it is going to be less safe, and Sablers 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.640 are like a high heel and Stabler's like yeah, but still, 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.279 what about when the window was open, like it should 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.719 have done the alarm? So the text way ahead of 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.320 them and checked with the security company, and the records 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.040 show that the Gillettes usually set it around eleven, right 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.399 before they go to bed, and the system wasn't armed 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.440 last night because their time of death is ten right 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.600 before ten pm, right before the alarm gets set, which 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.600 means this person knew they're a routine done done. 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.440 That is good police works. 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.600 So then it's like, well, this is a hack job 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.200 and a blowjob, so I mean a hack and blow 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:49.959 is what I wrote, But then I felt weird saying 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:56.960 that too. But there's okay, so there's guns and hacks 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:01.000 and so so it's serious violent, So this can't be 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.160 some straight I mean, it could be a stranger, but 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.160 it seems like there's some passion behind the murder. So 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.799 they go talk to the daughter, Sarah Paulson, and she 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.720 is shocked that her dad didn't do it. She's like, what, 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.640 and then Stablers apologizes that they ever suggested it, and 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.960 she's just relieved. She has a fresh blowout. There's nice flowers, 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:24.080 her balcony view is stunning. So she's like, it made 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.040 no sense that daddy would do something so terrible, and 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.839 Benson goes, okay, who would And she starts to cry 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.759 and says she doesn't know anyone who'd want to hurt 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.080 her parents. They were patrons of the arts, they gave 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.680 millions to charity, and they shouldn't even have even been there. 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.440 They were actually supposed to be in Florida, but her 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.759 mom had the flu. So the daughter is the one 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.200 who suggested like, you should stay one more day before 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.920 going and rest up. Benson goes, who else knows they 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.000 go on vacation? She goes, I mean everybody, that's what 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.960 they do. They have their little house in Santa Belle 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.959 Island and right after Christmas until Easter they go there. 0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.160 I want that life. Are you kidding me? 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:04.040 Yeah? Just to go to an island for four months, 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:08.160 that's cool, amazing. Yeah, I guess that's what snowbirds is. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.000 It's not a new concept, but for some reason, I 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.200 was like it hit me in this moment. And Santa 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.920 bell is beautiful. It's really close to where I was 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.120 going to the beach as a kid because my grandparents 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.720 lived in Sarasota and the beaches are gorge white sand. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.040 So then the question as well, well, who knew they 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.120 hadn't left yet, and she says me the staff and 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.080 a few friends. And her makeup is smudged from all 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.640 the tears, and she says, everyone loved my parents. It 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.640 must have been a burglar. Sibla goes, oh, no way, girl, 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.680 robbers grab stuff and leave. They don't set up murder suicide, 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.319 you know, they don't do theater. Sailor goes, listen, this 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.200 was personal. Sarah Paulson goes, oh my god, holy shit, 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.799 that means the killer is after me too. They're like, 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.319 why what are you talking about? She goes, So she 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.719 was out shopping the other day and she had a 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.879 strange sense someone was following her, and he would duck 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.640 when she would look back, dark glasses, our care, but 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.759 too far to get a good look. So now they're 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.520 going to hit up all the stores and art galleries 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.919 and spots she went to on Wednesday, and yeah, they're 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.719 gonna see if they're gonna feel the feelings that she 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.040 had felt. So they're at the gallery and there's another 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:18.040 accent in this episode, air horn, and he says, Sarah 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:22.640 Paulson has exquisite taste. She was there Monday and Wednesday. 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.759 She was there buying and selling, and she sold them 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:29.280 a roth Coo. Yeah, fucking right. This is insane because 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.960 any place that would have Rothkos would not have what 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.920 we see next, which is some woman artists on a 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.600 ladder spilling giant blue of paint against the ground in 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.160 a wall and like after the paint can fall. Stable goes, 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.120 that's unfortunate, and I just think that we have to 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.799 show our art friend because this is comical. I was 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:54.440 thinking about her. Yeah, because like the rock rothkos Our Museum, 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.680 they're all at the Louis that ended in April. But 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.560 like pieces that are worth tens of millions of dollars 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.000 are not gonna be sold to this casual gallery where 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.960 also are being dropped, also to. 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.160 A place that doesn't have security camera like all like 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.960 either's so I feel like there's so much security, like 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.759 when it's a painting that expensive. But I also have 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.640 to point out that the guy playing this Galerino is 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.680 Nathan Lee Graham, who plays Todd in Zoolander, which is, 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.719 to me and my family a very iconic role. And 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:26.560 he's also in Theater Camp, a movie that you and 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:30.360 I both enjoyed extensively, And he is so funny. He 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.200 really cracks me up, and he like he's been working 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.440 for I think it feels like a long time, like 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:36.160 and he's been in. 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.080 A lot of stuff, but he's really like kills me. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.479 Zoolander is pretty amazing. I did watch an embarrassing clip. 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.239 I think this was from last summer, but it's Ben 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.600 Stiller like talking at a tennis game and the tennis 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.160 player legit turns around and goes, are you good at tennis? 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.360 And Ben Stiller is like getting scolded in front of 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.120 the whole fucking stadium by this tennis player who's like, 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.040 then stop fucking Like he doesn't swear. He goes, then 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.560 stop talking that I don't tell you how to act, 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.160 do I. And it's just like Christine Taylor pretending she 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.240 doesn't know who been. Oh my god. 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:09.400 It's like it honestly so cringe. 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.000 I don't know they were still together, but I make 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.200 a break and then they got back together. Oh good. 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:14.920 I like that. 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:19.000 Yeah, but Zulander was his first gig, and he's Todd. 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.880 He's like Mugatu's like guy, and we would always be like, 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.680 why is there phone in my latte? 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:24.839 Todd? Like my family life? 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.920 We like always talk about Todd like he's like one 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.520 of the funniest characters in that because there's like also 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.480 weirdly sexual tension between him and Mugatu. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.960 It's like so funny. Anyway, Wait, what a great first roll. 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:40.080 I know, damn Zoolander. That is a classic, and I 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.600 hope it's treated as such in the future. It Like 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.520 I love it so much. It's goofy. Yeah, Ben stillards 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:50.000 just started taking himself so seriously, like he used to 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.080 be just so funny and silly. 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:55.360 And yeah, I mean there's a freak gasoline fight accident 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:56.040 in the movie. 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.359 It's like everything is in Zulander is So. 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.799 I mean that movie just hit me at a time 0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.440 where I was like, oh, this is like the funniest 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:02.880 movie I've. 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.000 Ever seen it. Like they used to make more wild 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.880 parody type movies like that, and they just like don't anymore, 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.520 you know, no, and now it's all about him being 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:15.239 Walter Schmidt taking a world adventure a lesson, you know, 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.760 it's so annoying. Yeah, or what was the Greta Gerwig 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:24.520 movie he was in Greenberg? Yeah that I hate it. Yeah, 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.680 it's Noah Bumback's dumbass. Yeah, I have this old gross man. 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.080 Get a hot, beautiful woman with personality, and you get 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.040 to be a piece of shit with you know, negative Nancy. 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:38.359 I just I really don't like that man, except for 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.600 Francis Hot. Did he write that? I liked that? Okay? Yeah, 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:47.080 so he actually wrote complex Women wild, So that was 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.080 that's why I didn't realize it was his movie. 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:51.400 So we're still in the gallery. 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.560 And thank you for the taught update I was just 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.320 I knew that you were gonna mention him, so I 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.879 didn't even look him up, like I just knew. But yes, 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:05.680 as Kara mentioned, this place has no cameras because of privacy. Okay, 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:10.040 you have a roth Co and you don't have a camera. Cool, 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.320 So it all seems fishy. They go to the jewelry 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.680 store and it cuts to the employee. They're going, yeah, 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:17.960 we have fucking cameras. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.000 Smaller the better. Yeah, he goes, we have him everywhere. 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.640 My brother runs security in the back and they ask 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.440 about Angela and he smiles softly goes, oh, Annie, of course. 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.560 Oh such a classy lady, very old school, and she 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.480 loves to buy and wear ice and pay for it 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.440 and cash and bought a watch on Wednesday. And they 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.799 ask if they saw someone follow her, and he goes, actually, yes, 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.640 this dark skinned person. And he gets upset and goes, 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.800 don't tell me that Annie was mugged, and they go no, no, no, no. 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.319 Mischellette is fine, but someone might have been tailing her, 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.480 and that's why we would love some of your camera footage. 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:57.240 And he's opposite of gallery, opposite of anyone we've actually 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.040 ever seen on the show. He goes, I'll do you 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.040 one better. I'll burn you a disc of all the footage. 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:03.600 You could take it with you watch it at the 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.920 comfort of your own office. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.000 So and they find him. 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.040 It's Naveen Andrews from Lost, and I think he's pretty 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.920 famous for dating Barbara Hershey for a really long time 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.640 and it and both him and Sarah have said no 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.440 to the podcast. So if you were hoping for a 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.479 big surprise this episode that we did try, we did try. 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:26.040 We did try. Yeah try. But also what's funny is 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.000 they both are in relationships with like pretty or he's 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:30.440 no longer with Barbara hers there in. 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.200 May December relationship they have been or are currently. 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.840 Yeah, well that's more more of an illegal way to 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.680 say it. They're legal these I would say extreme age gap. 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.360 I thought May December he was a student and she was. 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.200 I thought it was based on Mary Lever Laturno. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.400 Oh, well the movie made December, but the term May 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.880 December is her. I didn't know that, and I've always 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.240 thought of it as just a relationship with an age difference, 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:54.960 but maybe it is. 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:57.920 I didn't know that. It was a saying yeah, look 0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:58.759 that up, look it up. 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.000 Yeah, Well aarp says that a May December romance is 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.239 an age for an amoroist relationship between two people with 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.600 a considerable it's a considerable age difference, which is I 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.040 think that's part of why they called it May December, 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.200 because it's like a May December romance is a normal thing. 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.640 What this woman did was illegal, Like it's not legal. 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.400 Calling it May December is like softening it, you know, 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:25.360 because it's like, sure, maybe he consented after he was eighteen, 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.520 but like, you know, yeah, what Mary Kay Turnard did 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.040 and what people do when they are in relationships with 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:33.680 children is hardly made December. 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.960 But yes, So they're showing Annie the pictures and she confirms. 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.839 She goes, yes, yes, I know him, and they're like yeah, 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.239 he entered right after you left, thirty seconds after you 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.040 would leave, Like this is it. And she's like, ah, 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.200 so you followed me to my parents' house and killed them, 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.240 and Benson goes, yeah, but why would he target your family. 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.720 She's like, I don't know. Maybe it's because my photo's 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.680 in the paper a lot and men want my money. 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.040 And then so Annie asks, well, how will you find him? 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.399 And Stanbla goes, oh, well, we know where we he's 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:01.880 going to be tomorrow. And he does a lot of 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.120 eyebrow acting here and then he goes following you. So 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.800 she's like, wow, you want to use me for bait. Okay, fine, 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:09.959 I'll hire extra security. And they're like, well, no, that's 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.680 going to spook your shadow. Okay, name title, take a hit, 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.319 And so then she's appalled they would want to lure 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.879 him out unprotected, and Benson and Stabler are like, will 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.120 we be with you the whole time and we will 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.319 snatch him. And so they're now casket shopping and she 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:29.600 wants solid bronze handles and Stabler's acting like her driver, 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.840 and Benson's acting like her sidekick friend slash assistant, and 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.120 sabers like, he's not going to go in coffin shopping. 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.920 You know what I mean. You can't really browse coffins. 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.759 So I think it's usually by appointment only. I'll say 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:47.839 that about coffin shopping. I think it's by appointment only. Yeah, but. 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.480 So you know, now they have to go to the floorist. 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.239 So Annie opens the window a little she's sitting in 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.680 her car already, and goes, Olivia, I have some calls 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.799 I'd like you to make and Benson's like, damn, these 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.600 outfits are so good that she forgot where cops. So 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.040 Benson's annoyed that they haven't seen him all day and 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.960 Stabler's like, whatever, we have one more stop. So they 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.080 end up at the church and I thought they were 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:10.920 going to the floorist, but they're at a church and 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.400 they're talking, you know, about the funeral with the priest, 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.160 and Benson's walking behind them and there's movement at three 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.600 o'clock and he is so bad at this, like he 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.960 must have wanted to be found, right, it's insane. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.960 It's it's an empty church and he's just like hanging 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.400 out in the wings, like he's so obvious. 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:27.239 It's it's one of the. 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.560 First moments where I was like, oh, this episode's insane. 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.360 But yes, yeah, he's pulling back the curtain like he 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.080 is a cartoon wolf chasing like a little fox, you 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:36.920 know what I mean, and like. 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:38.200 It was so obvious. 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.480 Oh, So Benson tries to act with this, you know, Annie, 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.560 and she's like, oh, you look pale. Come with me, 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:45.800 and she's like I'm fine, Olivia, don't be a fussy 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:51.080 little bitch, like and then Stabler says, police freeze we 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.760 got Ayaza on a vie and he stops and turns around. 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.840 Annie els that's him, Benson and Yell's gun and they 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.279 rush off, So Stabler goes to arrest him in a 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.480 Vinga is really calm, hands up in the air, collected, 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.520 and he's like, just check my pocket, you'll find somebody 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:09.120 like and he's NYPD Special Frauds. Stabler makes him turn 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.480 around and asks, why are you tailing Annie Gillette and 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.080 he says because she's a killer, didn't you know? 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.040 Okay, Mike drop so okay. 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.799 But also special frauds is so funny, Like wait, what 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.160 like special victims Unit? It's like they're special victims because 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:25.120 like they're women and children. 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.400 What are special frauds? Like, fraud is fraud. 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.440 I think most fraud that anyone's going after is high level, 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:31.920 fucking Gillette level fraud. 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:33.880 So what are the special frauds? 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.280 Just like sweet gentle little blondes are the special frauds? 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.239 Like I'm such a silly title that they call it that, 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.960 yeah and all theok yeah, well this his badge is silly. 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.000 So Navin says he's been tailing her for two weeks 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.520 and he's like, yeah, we know you got made by 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.600 a woman who lunches, and he responds, yeah, who's been 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.120 leading you and your partner in a wild goose chase? 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.040 And Craigan off the phone, is like, hey, special Frauds 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:00.840 doesn't know about this, and he goes, yeah, I'm off 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.600 the books. He goes fur who and it's chief of detectives. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.680 So that's pretty impressive to Craigan and he goes, oh, 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.560 you're running a shadow op, so another use of the 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:13.080 word shadow. Yeah, and then but it also does make 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.040 sense because her family's still connected with the cops. They 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.239 would have to do it secretly, and he goes, listen, 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.279 I'm doing what the mayor wants. So the mayor's in 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.440 on this and is trying to turn against the Gillets, 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.880 and he confirms like, yeah, her family could. 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:24.560 Squash the case. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.000 It had to be hush hush, but they're going after 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:30.480 her for embezzlement. Anne has very expensive taste. Her trust 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.480 fund ran out, so she used her seat on the 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:36.319 Prestwick Foundation board to supplement her income and still three 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.480 point five million dollars, which doesn't seem like a lot 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.760 for a rich person, even though that's a lot of money. Yeah, 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.400 you know what, I mean, that's not gonna last for 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.760 too long, not if you have that kind of taste, 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.440 not if you're selling rothkos. I don't not like, I 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.120 don't know what you're up to. But is there a 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.839 proof she killed her parents? He goes no, but when 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.040 I show you my file, I think you'll be convinced. 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.920 Craigan thinks embezzlement to murders stretch. So he's like really, 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:05.440 and he's like, listen, she's the sole heir to her 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.960 parents fortune was just two hundred million dollars. 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.440 Craigan is like, damn, well, that's a motive. 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.480 And Benson comes in like a fool, like why aren't 0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:18.280 Why aren't you in cuffs? And they're like, oh yeah, sorry, 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:19.919 we should have filled you in and she's like, oh, 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.160 he's one of us. Okay, got it. 0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.120 So she's like, wow, we have a modern day Lizzie Borden. 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:28.000 Cool. So they all go to Special Frauds together and 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.080 then they go through a list of her failures and 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.200 I love this. So she tried to be in Equestrian Girly, 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.359 she failed. She opened an art gallery, it closed because 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.239 she forgot to pay taxes for five years. Then it's 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:40.960 a photo of her with a tall man in a 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:44.160 Fedora style hat with shoulder lenks, slight curled like hair, 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.960 Bob long Bob. I don't know why there's a photo 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.879 of them together, but basically it's to indicate her next 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:55.040 failure was interior design, and her interior design life led 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:59.600 to six lawsuits. How badly did you design these homes? Jesus? 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.480 So then Benson's like, why would the board let her in? 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.880 Then? And He's like, well, her dad donated ten million dollars, 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.600 and Stabler's like, okay, I got my daughter a job 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:11.160 at Target. 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:12.160 It costs me nothing. 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:14.719 And it's like, I just can't imagine Kathleen wearing a 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.680 red little polo, Like that's what's funny to me, Like, 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.800 I just love that one of the daughters is working 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.840 at Target, but I just would hate to wear khakis. 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:27.240 I just I, oh god, khaki's in a red polo 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:28.040 in my Target. 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:29.440 I feel like they're wearing whatever they want on the 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.080 bottom and they're just wearing the red up top. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.360 That's great, Yeah, that is great, because a khaki is 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.080 a hard look for a lot of people. Yeah, maybe 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:38.759 if I could wear a khaki skirt, but then how 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:40.759 are you bending down to fill up the shelves. You 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:44.799 can't do that. So he's trying to like, you know, 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.200 shame target or marine or whatever, or he's just talking. 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:52.960 I don't know why I'm attacking Stabler so much, but 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.200 basically the dude is like, yeah, and I bet your 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.520 daughter's more qualified to be on the board than this bitch. 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:01.000 She's been kicked out of three prep schools. She finally 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:05.840 graduated from a girl's finishing school in Switzerland and flower arranging. 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.560 I want to be that rich, I mean, but listen, 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:11.359 I've known people like this. 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.080 I've talked about it before, like having too much money 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.960 causes failure to launch for a lot of people. She 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:18.759 could have found something she was good at, but it 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.520 might not have been something that was impressive enough for 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.000 her parents or for her society life. 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:27.520 You know, I don't know. Getting sued so many times 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.319 must look bad, but I learned from Hacks that's just 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:31.279 what rich people do. 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.479 Like rich people just sue each other for fun. Yeah 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.520 I also suing your interior designer. What did I really 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.520 want to know what she did to these six homes? 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.760 But yeah, that's for another episode. 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.799 Burned it down? Okay, So yeah, so Benson goes, oh, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.200 poor little rich girl can't cut it in the real world. 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.120 But then she's smart enough to steal three point five 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.400 million dollars. Like Benson doesn't like this double thing, and 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.360 he goes, no, no, no, no, don't underestimate her. She is smart, 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.600 she just doesn't like to play by the rules. So 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.560 then they walk into a room with a lot of 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.880 marker and papers on the wall, and he says that 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.040 the record keeping at the foundation is awful. 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:09.880 No computerized files. 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.200 They just write checks to deserving organizations, and none of 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:17.759 those organizations are actually real lol. So what she would 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.040 do is start bank accounts with fake documents and then 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.680 take the cash out after the checks cleared. And this 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.520 was all found out when mister Prestwick of the Prestwick 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.719 Foundation decided to visit one of the organizations and it 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:29.399 was actually just. 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:30.040 A pet shop. 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:32.640 But it's so humiliating, and they wanted to keep this 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.760 quiet so, you know, to not scare off future donors. 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:39.399 And so they you know, through, rubbed it under the table. 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.800 What is it? Through it under the table, swept it 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:44.600 under the rug, wept it under the rug. That's how 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.400 little I clean, Okay, And I'm anti rug. You know, 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.520 I am glad I had a rug in that studio apartment, 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:51.280 but I'm not kidding. 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:52.920 I just don't think rugs are for me. I'm not 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:53.319 a rug. 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:54.600 I don't have I have one. 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:56.359 I have like a rug in my kids room, and 0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:58.160 I don't have a rug in my bedroom. I don't 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.640 like rugs that much. You deemed you were really pushing 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:02.279 that rug on me. 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.000 I thought, because and you were pushing a rug on 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:05.880 me in this apartment. 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:07.560 You know, why are you trying to pretend you're not 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:08.240 a rug pusher? 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:08.680 Is crazy? 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.640 No, no, no, I think it's good in New York 0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:14.120 apartments or in your apartment because of people downstairs. I 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.200 don't want people to be on your shit about you. 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.080 Because of the lady you had in West Hollywood. You 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.080 had wall to wall carpeting, and she was on your 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.600 shit for being too loud. 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.960 So I thought, like a rug in New York to 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:24.920 absorb sound. 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.560 But I'm alert. I have allergies, so when I see rugs, 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:31.120 I just think of sneezing and dust mites. And so 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.960 there's no bake IDs because the counsel are all opened 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.080 by unmemorable white men. So she doesn't even go in there. 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.680 There's no camera footage of her, so she sends in 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.680 like some white old guy and then no one knows 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.239 what's going on. SIDB goes, Okay, well, how do you 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.200 know it's her if it's this dude's going in in 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.919 the and he Navin says, the fraud didn't start until 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.600 she joined the board, and right after the money was withdrawn, 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.400 she would go on shopping spreeze. So you know, detectives 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:58.160 start weaving tails. So they're like, yeah, she's out of money, 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:01.080 but they you know, she went her parents for more 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.560 money and they said no, and Avin goes, yeah, this 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.000 is a typical red collar crime. When white collar criminals 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.640 are confronted, they can turn violent, and you know common 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:13.640 targets are their parents. And so now Chief Muldrew, which 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.080 I think we can call Mildew. That'll be funny, right. 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.520 Yes, And we've never talked about this guy or looked 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:20.880 him up, but we hate him and he's been in 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.920 so many episodes we've talked about like he's just like 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.440 he does look like a little old turtleman kind of. 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.600 I called him a toad later on, Oh okay, he 0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:32.520 looks like a bullfrog, like a giant bullfrog and so, 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:34.759 and that's how they treat it. And just like a 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.560 bullfrog fell on your pizza, And so Mulgrew and mister 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:42.399 Prestwick they're there together and he's being told to stop 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:46.280 the investigation and the money has been replaced, and Press 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.799 looks like, listen, a member heard about our issue and 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:50.280 decided to cover our losses. 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.600 And he wants, you know, all the files back and 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.439 it's done and you're stop. So then the oldies walk 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.040 away and Ramsey turns to Benson and Sibbur goes, fuck, 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.320 that's six months of hard work going down the to toilet, 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.799 and Mensa goes, well, nobody's shut down our case. Just 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.520 come work with us, and he's like yeah, but if 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:08.080 Mildew gets a sniff of your squad, you know, he'll visit. 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.560 And they're like, no, no, no, no, we'll just question her 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:11.240 as a victim. 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.520 Hello, And they have a twinkle in their eye. They're excited. 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:16.479 They like when they get to play a little game, 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.280 and so they go, you know, she had a stalker 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.319 and we did catch you, so let's go. So kut 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.279 Sinavine looking menacing as hell in the glass tank and 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.319 she's outside the glass, staring at him like, oh my god, 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.680 thank you for arresting him. And they're like, yes, you know, 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.319 of course, and we think he killed your parents, but 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:34.200 we need to ask you some questions to help, and 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.040 she goes of course. So she's really grossed out by 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.160 the room though, and she's like, eh, broke vibes in here, 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.680 and she offers a grant in honor of her parents' name, 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.880 and Benson is like, oh, for sure, yes, but let's, 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:49.720 you know, first convict the your parents killer to avoid 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:50.840 any conflict of interest. 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.120 And she goes, yes, yes, yes, of course I get that. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:55.960 And you are charging him for murder, right, and Benson 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.080 goes yeah, but we need evidence, so you know, him 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:01.560 just being at place as your doesn't that's not enough. 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.400 She's upset there's no evidence, but Benson assures her it 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:06.960 might take time, but they will convict the parents killer. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.880 She's like, ugh, but I want to get him now 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.240 and Bensay's like, okay, well, you said that your parents 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.840 never mentioned being followed or watched, Like are you sure 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.640 if they didn't talk to you about it, is there 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.880 someone in their lives they would have talked about being followed? 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:25.320 And she says, yes, a business manager named Nate Hartman. 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.040 He handles all family affairs. So Benson decides to go 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.040 talk to you know, Nate. So she's like, well, let 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:35.000 me call him first. He's a stickler for confidentiality, so 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.759 let me speak to him tonight and then tomorrow you 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:43.120 can reach out to him. L ol. Delulu. So she 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.480 says she is tired, I wants to go home now, 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.239 and Benson's like, great, I'll give you a ride home. 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.960 So now the boys rush to Nate Hartman's house to 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.759 get there before that she's able to call and get 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.200 the story straight, and they know she's going to do that, 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.759 so you know, he answers. He's like, oh, what's the emergency? 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:03.760 And this guy is Dennis Bhutsakaris and he's in season 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.800 one and sixteen SVU episodes as well, so you know, 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.040 he's so familiar. 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:10.480 But I like looked him up and was like, I 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:14.719 don't really know what else I know him from, but yes, yeah. 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:17.080 And he's concerned with Anne's safety and wants her to 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.280 be okay, and he has not spoken to her yet, 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.640 but obviously is so worried about her after what happened 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.600 with bertin Elaine and Annie told him that a robber 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.240 murdered her parents, and of course he believes her when 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:29.720 they're because they're like, oh, you just believed her, And 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:32.000 it's like, yeah, why would I not believe her? 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:33.520 But what is going on? Why are you here? 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:35.960 Levin says, listen, she's about to call you and ask 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.480 you to lie for her, and he says, no fucking way, 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.920 she would never do that. He calls her a gentle 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.680 soul and honest. Sabler is like, she has been robbing 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.720 the foundation blind and you've been helping her. The phone 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.480 rings and it's Anne, and he says, Nate, it's over. 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.080 You're going to jail unless you answer that phone and 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:56.520 do exactly what we say, And so he puts it 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.959 on speaker and he slowly answers, and after eight rings, 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.840 I can't believe it rings so much. So she tells 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.520 him over the phone, the police know who killed my parents, 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.960 but they don't have enough evidence to arrest him. So 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.440 please say that you saw him following my parents describe 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:15.000 him indian, well dressed, star hair menacing dangerous. Say that 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.440 you saw him watching the house and that my parents 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:20.120 told you about him, and that they saw him too, 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.880 and he's like, oh girl, I just I don't know, 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.200 and she goes, I want justice for my parents. 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.760 He doesn't want to lie, but she's like do it. 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.560 And then she's like, kisses, see you tomorrow at the funeral. 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.920 And he asks, well, now what, and they say, you talk, 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.120 we listen. So he's in cement room bars and he 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.240 says he thought it was just like a tax dodge 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:42.000 situation with the foundation, and like they found out. 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.440 He says, I didn't know about the stealing. Navina is like, bro, you. 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.840 Don't even have to convince me, Like, don't worry about it. 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:49.560 All you have to do is convince a grand jury, 0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:52.919 the DA and the judge. So why'd you do it? Nate? 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.040 And he says I loved her and I thought she 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.200 loved me. And Stabler behind the glass is like, but 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.440 in a fatherly, like uncle way, you think they're fucking. 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.240 I think she's making it seem like they're an item. 0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:07.080 Like I think that she uses that to get guys 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:10.280 to do things for her. You know, I don't think 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.360 in an uncle way. I think in a romantic Wow. Okay, 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:15.479 that's the impression I got. That's the impression I got. 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.920 Yeah. Interesting, interesting, they're happy they have them for emvestlement. 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.400 But you know, also that case was shut down six 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.680 hours ago, so no one fucking cares and nobody has 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.440 anything on Angelotte for murder, and Stabler starts acting up 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.120 big baby style, and Craigan's just like, shut up and 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.600 do your job. But they really want to go arrest 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.439 her now before this investigation gets shut down as well, 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.280 or she flies to some private island. Craigan takes a 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:42.760 breath and goes, okay, fine, charge her with witness tampering 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.440 and make a splash and won't be able to hush 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:48.040 this up if it's on the front page. So now 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.680 we're at the church funeral, like this is truly an 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.280 episode of the Real Housewives. They're on their way to 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.720 the gravesite post funeral. This is savage as hell, even 0:59:56.760 --> 1:00:01.240 for SVU, like what the fuck? And then behind her 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:03.240 walks in the veenda cuff her and she's like, wait, 1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.160 you're a cop, and then they arrest her ass on 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:09.960 the steps of her parents' funeral. Thoughts. I mean, of course, 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:11.120 it's like when they walk in. 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.000 They only arrest people while they're giving a huge presentation 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:16.280 to their company or they're accepting an award, you know, 1:00:16.480 --> 1:00:19.520 like of course they're doing it on the funeral steps. 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:20.440 It's like perfect. 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.480 And then they get her stalker to go arrest her, 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.560 like she's so they're playing mind games with this bitch, 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:30.320 but they're also playing with the audience, and I'm loving it. 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.360 I mean, I'm here for this episode. It's so crazy. 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.280 I just think it's too much. It's different than like, 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.520 you know, a gala or a charity event. And then like, 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.520 but I guess she killed them, so if she killed them, 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:43.959 she doesn't give a fuck. You know, yeah, that's true. 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:45.920 That's true. Okay, I'm back on their side. Thank you 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.400 for help for leading me. So she calls Olivia a 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.919 bitch and says you've set me up and she has 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:54.480 not lawyered up yet. But Benson's like, well, so many 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:56.600 of her friends saw her. Someone's gonna call a lawyer 1:00:56.640 --> 1:00:58.400 for her quick, and Craigan's like, okay, get in there 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.120 before someone shows upd Wong is conveniently standing right behind 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:04.560 Craigan waiting for his moment to shine and says she's 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:08.120 a sociopath, so she'll want control. She says, fine, then 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.560 I won't give her any MBD Wong's like, no, no, no, opposite, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:12.960 give it to her in spades, make her feel comfortable 1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:14.040 until she slips up. 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:15.120 But uh oh. 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:19.760 Old Mildew is screaming in the lobby desk area and 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:22.600 Craigan sneaks Bence and through the side door. He's like, oh, go, 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:24.840 go go, and he goes to confront the toad, and 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.560 then the Toad does have a point. He's like, you 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.480 arrested Annie at her parents funeral and he calls Benson 1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:32.880 and Stabler kid cops and Craigan goes, nope, they were 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:36.040 obeying my orders standing up for his girl. 1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:36.800 Love that. 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.160 Mildew Is like, I told you to stop, and Craigan goes, sure, 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.720 but I didn't think that trump a double homicide and 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:45.760 he's like, yeah, but you didn't even arrest her for murder, 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:48.200 did you? Did you? And so this is a pretty 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:50.320 good battle where they even you know, we're supposed to 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:52.200 hate him, but they both have really good points. And 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:54.960 Huang gets involved and says she is very dangerous and 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:58.560 he says, what is that your clinical opinion? And he goes, oh, 1:01:58.560 --> 1:02:00.880 you want me to use bigger words, fine, she's a 1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:05.360 psychopath with extremely violent and then before he can finish. 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:08.720 Mildew goes, stop showing off, and it's like those weren't 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:13.120 even big words. Yeah, extremely was the biggest word. Like 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:16.520 it's he didn't even get, you know, Melinda Warner on 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:19.760 his ass, So then maybe that's a is that merch? 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:27.880 Get Melinda Warner on your ass? He then says, stop 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:31.080 showing off. Okay, I already said that. So then Grunston says, 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:32.760 if you bring her in for murder, I will have 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.080 your back, but if you fail, I'm gonna let the 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.640 crap roll downhill. And I really like that, saying he's 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:42.480 a poet. So then Craigan goes, they better crack her 1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.240 or we're gonna have a lot of shoveling to do. 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:48.400 I like that too, Okay, So I think your kids 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:50.920 would like that kind of humor too, Yes, oh they 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:56.040 certainly would. Why do kids love but so much? So hard? 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.560 Now he's on it so hard. I go say hi 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.560 to my mom on face daime. He goes, Hi, poop 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.880 poop butt diarrhea, Like it's so insane, it's all they 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:04.360 think about. 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:07.320 Huge milestone. Though yesterday I sent Oscar to school in 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.600 the same shorts and underwear that he came home in 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.800 couldn't believe he didn't piss himself. Couldn't believe it. Wait, 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:17.320 this is huge, yeah, huge. I went, are you wearing 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:18.760 the same shorts? I say you school with? And he 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.040 goes yeah, and I went like this, and he just 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:23.439 gave me the biggest hug and he was like so 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:24.440 proud of himself. 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:28.600 It was, you know, tails of body training. It's the 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:29.360 fucking nightmare. 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:32.640 Okay, all right, So in your mind to these people 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.680 own in your mind, to these people own a razor fortune, 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.120 because like, that's what I keep thinking of when they 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:38.760 keep talking about the Gillette. 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:42.600 I kept thinking about the stadium. That's right, but I 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.280 forgot and men's razors. You're right, you're right, you're right. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:51.400 The mock three, baby, yes, the mock. I loved the 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.680 close ups of the hair and the blade cutting it 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:57.080 like what I did. Like that. Whoever has so many blades? 1:03:57.440 --> 1:04:00.479 The art and design for those Gillette rais her hair 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:02.280 cutting videos. 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:04.120 You have a fan for life. 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:09.000 Sold it. The dream Team enter cement room bars and 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:11.920 she goes, wow, three against one, you all hardly play 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:15.800 fair and she goes, you two, no, get out of here. 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:18.560 I want just him so Navin stays and Benson and 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:21.000 Slabor leave and they're giving her the power that she wants. 1:04:21.360 --> 1:04:23.520 And Navin is in a men in black style suit 1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:26.640 and she reaches out her hand to shake hands and says, 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:30.720 Angelette Ashok Ramsey. He responds and she goes, oh, my god, 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:34.200 is your mother Sna Ramsey? And he says yes and 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:36.760 sits down. She says, oh my god, you have her eyes. 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:38.640 You know, I used to run into your mother all 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:41.440 the time in London. Do you think she knew before 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:44.800 he said her name his name, or she knew she 1:04:44.920 --> 1:04:47.680 recognized him? Like what is this? I don't know, but 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:48.280 this is. 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:53.200 A wild fucking coincidence that this guy is from like 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:56.880 high society enough that he recognized his mom would be 1:04:57.280 --> 1:04:59.160 Ramsey's a very common last name. 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.160 Like it's just wild to be like, oh, is that 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:02.760 your mother? 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.480 Like, but I think they're painting him as somebody because 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:08.480 he is really high, like he dresses really well, Like 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.680 they point out that he dresses really well, and like, 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:13.320 you know, he's got kind of a posh accent as well, 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:16.840 and like I think it's just hilarious to be like 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:18.400 the criminal being like. 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:20.680 Oh, I used to chill with your mom in London. 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:24.440 Like this episode just was cracking me up. And Sailor 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:26.760 and Benson are confused behind the glass and they're like, 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:28.640 who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, they're like, wait, 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:30.120 are you somebody? Yeah? 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:33.000 And then Pollie is like, you haven't spoken in six years? 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:33.360 Why not? 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:36.480 Oh? I for some reason, that's what I decided to 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:38.320 call Sarah Pulson there, and I apologize. 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:39.560 I don't know why I know that. 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:48.640 I don't know Sarah Poulson slash Annie slash Pollie is like, 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.200 you haven't spoken in six years? Why not? And he says, yeah, 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:55.240 you know over these calls are expensive, and she goes, 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:57.400 you can afford it, babe, and he goes, why are 1:05:57.400 --> 1:05:59.160 you so interested in me? And she's like, well, because 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:01.800 we're two of a kind to the prodigal children, and 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:03.960 he goes, we are nothing alike. She goes, yeah, you 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.640 came across the pond to escape your family, slumming it 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.880 as a cop and pretending to be someone else. And 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:11.280 she's like, I know all about you, darling, and soon 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.280 you'll go back home. And he goes and kill my 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:15.640 parents like you killed yours, and she chuckles and goes, 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:18.680 I think that's projection and he's like, I don't want 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:20.760 my parents dead, and she says, yes, you do. We 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:24.200 all do. And I actually just saw a TikTok video 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.800 so who knows how credible, but it was some sort 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:30.080 of forensic psychologist or pathologist I don't know, but saying 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:34.440 how psychopaths like three traits of psychopaths, and one is 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.680 that they all think everyone is like them. So if 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:40.760 they like if they're like, well, yeah everyone's a liar, 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:42.919 you're a liar, and it's like no, no, you're a liar, 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:46.600 and you just assume everyone's a liar. So yeah, we 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:50.240 feel yeah. Yeah. So TikTok new what episode is about 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:54.040 to do, and it like came right there. And she says, 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:57.080 it's a terrible burden growing up rich. You know, give 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:58.760 us too much, give us too little, but in the 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:02.200 end there's all that money waiting when they're dead. WHOA, 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:03.760 how is this not proof? 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.600 Like she I mean it's not, but like it's a 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:10.400 wild shit to say when you're trying to still play innocent. Yes, 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:14.200 but her ego is too big, baby, he goes, and 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:15.280 you were tired of waiting? 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.920 She goes, sure, but just tired. And there are a 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:20.040 ton of witnesses that will tell you, Yeah, I was 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:23.480 annoyed and complained, but whatever. And Ramsey says, I don't 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:26.600 covet what my parents have. And she says, you're still 1:07:26.640 --> 1:07:30.080 living in that adolescent place, you reject their world and 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:32.320 trying to prove you're your own man. But sooner or 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:35.040 later they will lure you back in. Your mother is 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:38.360 quite seductive. He gets up pissed and says you know nothing, 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:40.640 and he starts to walk out. She yells, I know 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:43.760 more than you think. He runs off, so Benson and 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.400 Stabler are like, oh, yeah, she's playing with her food 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:48.600 and taking bites, so they like compare her kind of 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.560 like to an Orca or something. And then Finn comes 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:55.280 in to say her attorney is there and it's Yancey Winthrop, 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:58.960 so you know he's expensive, and they're like, yep, your 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:02.040 client's back there, go get her. He then wants a word, 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.840 but Sailor cuts him off and he's like, save your speech. 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:07.640 You have ten minutes before I take her to Central Booking. 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:11.040 Navin comes out to apologize and Sailor is like, oh cool, dude, 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.240 I hate this bitch too. Don't worry. He says, it's 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:15.520 hardly worth booking her for two minor counts like this. 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.200 She'll waltz out of all of this on a low bail, 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:21.040 So like we have to try to get a felony charge. 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.960 Oh my god, I forgot that this is about to happen. Okay, 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:27.920 So then Nigel Prestwick goes against her and that's how 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:30.160 we'll get her. And Sailor's like, well would he, and 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:34.000 Novina goes, yeah, I mean he's a fifth generation wasp elite. 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:39.519 In breeding has melted their brains. Wow, I like that. 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:42.719 It's a good line. It's a good line. In breeding 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:48.360 has melted their brains. So what is his flaws? Sabler wonders, Right, 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:51.800 Navin has got all these answers. Nigel's really cheap, and 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:55.120 he's actually been billing his personal expenses to the foundation, 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:58.599 and some of those have been to paid dues at 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:02.360 the Yale Club, the Century Club and the Dunna Dnaty 1:09:02.640 --> 1:09:08.479 say it, I can't, it's yeah society. And then that 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:12.000 rings off some bells to Benson. She goes, Okay, So 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.240 that means this little wasp is not as vanilla and 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:15.679 boring as we think. 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.200 Let's go talk to him. I have a plan. 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:21.960 Okay, So they go to the Preswick Foundation and he 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:26.080 gets aggressive right away with Benson and Benson's alone and 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:29.400 he's like what And she's doing a really sexy act 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:33.360 out and he's in pretty quickly and she goes, hey, Nigel, 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:35.519 can I call you that? And she's like, I know 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:37.599 that men have needs, but when a wife can't meet 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:40.800 those needs, men have to look elsewhere. And he's he 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:43.160 she is like the snake from Robin Hood, Like she 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:47.280 got him, She got him in a swirl like. 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:51.479 That, like just took a rabbit vibes immediately. 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:54.200 Yet because to me, I'm like, why would Benson start 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.720 bringing up that, like men need to be adventurous when 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:58.439 their wives don't want to be Like you know what 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:00.719 I mean, It makes no sense, especially when this man, 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:04.080 to me gives get very heavy gay vibes. But that's fine, 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:08.559 Like yeah, that's neither here nor there. Yeah, like him 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:10.840 and Tim Gunn would be at events together. Even Tim 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:12.760 is cooler and better. I don't know why I said that, 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:16.120 but like upper Crust gay, I saw that. 1:10:16.760 --> 1:10:19.960 Well, actually I googled this actor who is gay and 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:20.680 he said, you. 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:21.240 Know, I didn't come out. 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:23.120 He said something like I didn't come out for a 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.920 long time, but like it wasn't really necessary because in 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:28.880 America for a long time, like anyone British was gay 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:31.160 like that was just like any man that like talked 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:32.760 with that accent. They were like, he's gay, you know, 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:36.040 like that was just American bullshit stereotyping. 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:38.160 But this man, this actor is actually gay. 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:41.040 Oh great, I'm glad you did the research. Yeah. 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:44.120 I couldn't figure out where I knew him from, and 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:45.639 I know him from some stuff. 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:49.360 He's in stuff, but now I'm forgetting what it is. 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:52.880 Yeah, his name's Edward Hibbert, this guy who plays Prestwick, 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:55.080 and he was he was in something where I go, oh, 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.160 I bet Lisa saw him in that. Let me let 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:00.120 me just really quickly look ye where I was like, oh, 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.600 I bet Lisa knows him from this? Oh well, interestingly 1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:06.799 I read about him that after. You know, Rowan Atkinson 1:11:06.840 --> 1:11:09.360 is the voice of Zazu in the Lion King. In 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:12.360 anything that followed the original Lion King, like Lion Kid two, 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:14.040 Lion King one and a half, he's. 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:14.639 The voice of Zazu. 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:17.439 This man, oh, he plays Maurice in First Wives Club. 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:18.439 That's why I thought you might. 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:19.920 Know him, Oh my god. 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:23.599 Yeah, and that's Jazu. 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:26.920 That's I mean, Mateo has jokes about how gay Zazu is. 1:11:27.600 --> 1:11:32.040 Yeah, but this guy like has been i mean seventy 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:32.639 three credits. 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:34.040 He's been working since the seventies. 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.240 Like yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so that it is wild. 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:39.400 He just buckles, but we would all buckle to Benson, 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:41.360 so I get it. But he's just like nodding his 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:42.160 head up and down. 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:46.400 And she says, but sometimes those needs are misunderstood, judged, 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:49.280 and then he then she stands right up to him, 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:51.320 stares him right in the eyes and says, get on 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:56.479 your knees, worm a and his jaws on the floor, 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:58.760 And he gets on his knees and she puts her 1:11:58.800 --> 1:12:01.040 high heeled boots up on an automnan and he starts 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:04.920 licking her boots. And then Navi, Yeah, for the people 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:06.760 that don't watch us, for you at all and just 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:08.880 listen to this podcast, like how shocked are you that 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:09.679 this is happening? 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:12.160 Like you have to go and watch this episode, just 1:12:12.200 --> 1:12:14.200 this part, like we cannot describe it enough. 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:17.599 I feel it is so insane. Yeah, and then Navin 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:20.479 runs in with a camera takes photos of the dude 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:21.919 licking Benson's boots. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:25.479 This is the Rhyan like a TMZ bomb, Like it's 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:28.720 so crazy. He just runs in and goes like it's 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:33.760 like a cartoon. It is, but it's also like they're 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:38.559 at SVU. They're against this, like you can't this is 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.639 blackmail and bribery already, but it is also like kink 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:46.640 shame abuse like sex abuse images right, like what I 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.920 forgot what we call revenge porn and I think it's that, 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:54.920 but because revenge porn is not good, yeah, because yeah, 1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:56.960 we've talked about this a lot, but it implies that 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.240 you did something wrong because of the revenge, and then 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:03.120 porn is too Sentingle does so it's not born. But yeah, 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:07.200 just them doing this is so against the sv moral code. 1:13:08.000 --> 1:13:11.960 But Benson says get up, and he whimpers and he's 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:15.960 like burn and he rises and Benson tells Navin, like, 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:18.479 you owe me new boots and he wants the photo 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:21.120 delete it and they say, only after you press charges 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:25.880 on Angeleette for embezzlement cookie turn and he's like also. 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:26.519 She does say that. 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:29.599 He does say like I'll get you new pradas or something, 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:32.479 and I'm like, okay, are these Benson's Prada boots. Does 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:35.639 the department pay for Prada boots like a weird Prada We. 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:39.880 Find out later they are her boots. Yeah, because another 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:46.439 item of clothing of hers kits. But this is the 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:50.280 thing I think Benson. I mean, she works non stop. 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:53.960 The ot must be overwhelming. Yeah, she earns in overtime, 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:58.400 but she doesn't go out. She doesn't go to concerts, 1:13:58.439 --> 1:14:01.880 she doesn't take vacations, she does it do anything. She 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.479 has a one bed, like I don't know. I think 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:07.200 I get that she's like, I'm just I'm gonna buy Prada. 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:10.479 Yeah, and she I think she probably bribes like pieces 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:13.040 she has like nice a few like nice pieces, you know. 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:15.320 And yeah, because it's also at work, she has to 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.880 look like shit most of the time, so I think, 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:20.479 like when she's not working, she likes to slip on 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:24.040 some luxury items. Yes, she looks like she's in Ann 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:26.760 Taylor at most of the time at work, like a 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:29.680 little purple sweater with a T shirt peeking out, you know, 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:32.400 like she's not really spending a lot. I think on the. 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:34.960 Work clothes, a bootleg black jean, you know. 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:39.040 But it is something consistent and when we do talk 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.439 to Marishco Hargatea. I think we have to remember this 1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:44.400 question because I want to be like, you know. 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:45.840 She's always been a fashion queen. 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:48.320 She knows how much all these expensive items, like how 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:51.439 was that implemented with the character? Right? Curious and because 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:54.080 we know you're interested in fashion, you know, so did 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:57.680 you bring that to Olivia? Where it's like, listen, this 1:14:57.920 --> 1:14:59.920 bitch looks too rich. We can't pretend she's poor. 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:04.040 She's always like going through racks of dead people going laperla, like, 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:06.400 you know, like she knows all the brand. 1:15:06.240 --> 1:15:09.040 You know what. We're not even entertaining that we should, 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:11.680 Like we always see her dates get fucked up, but 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:14.680 like maybe she does get luxury goods from people that 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:18.080 do want to fuck her. Me, you don't think the 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:21.800 commissioners trying to fuck Benson. You don't think. You don't 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:25.000 think people at the Galla are sending her Benson has 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:28.320 a sugar daddy. I don't think one. I think I 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:30.559 think people are courting her and she's like I'm a 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:36.760 busy bee and they're like, here's a Prada boo. I 1:15:36.800 --> 1:15:41.160 don't know. I don't know, so it's interesting, oh okay, 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:43.599 or I wonder if there are gay sugar daddies that 1:15:43.960 --> 1:15:46.400 just want to dress women up really nice and like 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:49.800 have a little Barbie doll. I wonder if that's the 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:52.360 rare thing of like, listen, you're cute, let me buy 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:55.960 you nice things. I'm gay and rich. Yeah, I'm sure. 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.559 I don't know what or is the whole point that 1:15:58.600 --> 1:16:00.479 you would get sex out of it after? You know, 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:04.360 I'm not really sure. Maybe for yeah, I don't know. 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:06.799 I don't know, I really don't know. That's a great question. 1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:08.760 That'll be a cute thing to write into, like a 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:09.559 movie or something. 1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:14.880 You know, Yes, he goes if I turn on her 1:16:15.080 --> 1:16:16.960 and like all the embezzlement and all of this, it's 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:20.080 going to ruin the foundation. We will we will lose 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:22.679 all respect. And Benson is like, well, you might lose 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:25.520 your wife once she learns about your dirty little fetish. 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:27.559 And then Benson is so smart and she's like, you 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:30.760 think you're pretty clever there, huh. Naming your secret society 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:38.599 after the Marquis de Sade, Donetti and Alfonse Francois, which 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:41.000 is the name of the Marquis de Sade, Yeah, but 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:42.519 what is it? It was he a freak. He was 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:43.280 a dirty freak. 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:46.120 Yeah, the Marquis de Sade is like where all the 1:16:46.200 --> 1:16:47.320 sadism comes from? 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:52.480 Like uh, like I didn't. I don't know if it's like, yeah, 1:16:53.200 --> 1:16:53.519 he had. 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:58.519 He was like a French aristocrat, writer, political activists and 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:02.120 nobleman and he has he wrote novels and then he 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:05.160 was imprisoned for sex crimes, blasphemy and pornography. Like I 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:08.240 think he was like a horny man from old French 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:11.440 seventeen hundred's time, early eighteens. 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:15.519 Navian goes, listen, save Anne or your skin, but you 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:20.120 can't do both. Then Benson spills Morabans on how she 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:22.559 busted two people from his little club before, and they 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.840 have a lot of videos and evidence in lock up. 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:30.240 Again for an SVU detective, this is insane jumping the 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:33.400 shark fully. Benson goes, yeah, I remember a video where 1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:35.920 there was a Nazi role and then the old man 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:41.519 screams enough, so I guess he's going to this club, 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.280 going to be dasm rooms, dressing up like a Nazi 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:49.479 and then getting pummeled. And there's videos and there's. 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:50.920 Something in the true crime parts and I'll tell you 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:51.200 about what. 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:55.200 Okay, I just have to hurry up so or is 1:17:55.240 --> 1:18:00.400 it about Prince Harry? Okay, so so he'll do it 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:02.479 and she says I thought so, and they walk out. 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.839 Benson and Levine are doing a brisk walk outside chatting 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:08.519 and they're getting gritty in case talk, and then he 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:10.960 says something that impresses Olivia and she's like, wait, did 1:18:10.960 --> 1:18:13.479 you go to law school? And he says, London's School 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:16.759 of Economics. So then he goes math puts order to chaos, 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:20.559 and Benson knowingly smiles like police work, and then they 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:23.920 nod at each other psychotic. So then they go to 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:27.240 speak to someone that Navine knows that he runs into 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:28.920 at the opera all the time, and she is the 1:18:29.040 --> 1:18:31.240 US She works at the US Attorney's office and maybe 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:33.080 she can help with the case and make it go 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:34.120 federal or something. 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:35.760 So they find this hottie. 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:37.880 They flank her on the busy streets of New York 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:39.599 and she's like, listen, you came at the right time. 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:42.240 I've been so busy post nine to eleven doing terrorism, 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:45.000 but I have time for some parent money murders now. 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:45.760 And I don't know why I. 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:47.680 Did that accent. That's not what she sounded like. So 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:51.920 they're like, please, help us finish this case. And she's listening, 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:55.280 but once she hears it's Annie Gillette, she's like, no, 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:59.519 her parents have given millions to politicians, and Benson screams 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:03.719 her dead parents who she killed. I think she looks 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:07.040 like Minnie Driver with no freckles an American. I don't 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:07.920 know if you feel that way. 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:10.639 Yes, I can see what you're saying. And I looked 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:13.599 this woman up and bosh, Dexter. She was in like 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.759 eleven episodes of Dexter. 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:19.639 Whoa who'd she playing? Yeah? She played Sylvia Prado. 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:21.000 Oh is she the one where the fire? 1:19:21.200 --> 1:19:21.360 Is? That? 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:22.280 Where the fire was? 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:23.920 I feel like she. 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.519 Must have been a love interest or something because she 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:29.040 was Her name was Sylvia Prado, so she couldn't have 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:31.240 been somebody that was like quickly killed or what. 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:36.120 Oh yeah, you know she was in the Jimmy Schmidt episodes. Yeah, 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:42.320 she was his wife. Yeah right, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, Okay, 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.160 she's beautiful though she was. You're right. She had the 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:46.800 look of somebody that I knew, And it is like 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:50.360 a Mini Driver. She does look like Mini Driver. Wow. Cool, 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:52.519 now that I look at more photos, it's just like 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.639 the jawline, I guess but I can't believe she's dexter. 1:19:56.800 --> 1:20:00.440 Hell yeah, cool, yeah. The actress's name is Valerie Crue. 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:05.840 So there she is, uh, the freckless minie driver. 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:10.320 Okay, so but she basically her thing is like, you 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:12.920 cannot prove the murder, leave me the fuck alone, and 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:16.680 Navin goes, we will please help us murders always on 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:19.400 a state level, Like aren't you excited you'd be you know, 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:22.280 it's a huge career move doing a federal murder case. 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:25.479 She says, give me the files, I'll go to Rikers 1:20:25.520 --> 1:20:28.639 and like, let's let's get things going. So Navine gives 1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:30.960 her eyes like he looks her up and down when 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:34.120 he walks away. He's smitten with her. So then Stabler 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:37.000 goes to arrest Anne. She's flipping out like don't fucking 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:39.720 touch me, and Sabler looks to her lawyer and goes, 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:41.679 why don't you explain that this is how it works? Okay, 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:44.679 And she's also floored that Nigel turned her back on him, 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:46.920 so he arrests her and the lawyers like I'm sorry, 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:47.439 I'll work on this. 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:48.840 I'm gonna get you out as soon as I can. 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:51.920 Please don't worry, and then she goes, oh, Detective, you 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:54.200 don't know what I'm capable of, and he's like, no, 1:20:54.400 --> 1:20:57.080 I saw your mother's body. And she says, if you 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.400 think I would do that to someone I love, what 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:04.839 do you think I could to someone you love? Stabler 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:07.519 pulls her out the door. Stabler walks into Craigan's office, 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:09.519 asking if Live and Ash her back yet, and they 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:11.800 are twenty minutes out, but he asks for them to 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:13.800 take her to Rikers and he's going to take. 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:14.960 A little lost time right now. 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:18.479 And Cragan is confused and he's like, wait, what's up, dude, 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.759 and Stabler responds it might be nothing, but she threatened 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:23.479 my family and I don't like that. So Craigan's like, 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:26.479 that is not nothing, Stabler, and I know you, and 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:28.840 go take your family. And so he's going to take 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:31.720 her to Kathy's sister's house in Jersey. And you know, 1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:34.120 Hank did say she was very dangerous, so let's act 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:36.960 like that's the fucking truth. Benson is busy working late 1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:39.599 and making it perfect before giving it to the Feds, 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.040 and he says, good because you're off the case, and 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:43.960 she's like, what the fuck And he's like, you and 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:46.320 your new buddy Ash are in trouble, and so they 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:48.639 go to Ramsay's house. Benson is banging on the door 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:50.840 and he won't let her in, and he confirms that 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:52.600 he hears the Knox and finally he's like he's like, 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:54.120 I got it, I got it. So he opens the 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:57.280 door and goes, don't you ever sleep and she goes, well, 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:00.360 you didn't answer your phone, and behind Benson is a 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.639 gaggle of swat team and he's like, what the fuck. 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:06.920 She goes, Angelette took out a hit on us dun dune. Yeah, 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:09.320 so Navina has like a sick ass apartment. So even 1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:12.120 if he's just working as a cop like he's, he 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:13.479 didn't run out of his trust fund. 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:15.800 So nice opa plan. 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:18.679 Lot of wood. He's bringing some mugs over to Benson 1:22:19.200 --> 1:22:22.280 and an informant at Riker's ratted her out. That's how 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:26.040 they got the info. And now that sexy woman from 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:32.400 earlier the department US Department, Federal Woman's Victoria, right, sexy woman. 1:22:32.520 --> 1:22:34.800 She walks out of the back of the apartment and 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:38.240 oh my god, she's like thanks for the files and 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:38.800 that duke. 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.600 She says good night and runs off and ashes. 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:43.840 And they have her shirt like a little bit untucked, 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:46.080 like it's really it's very good. 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:49.080 I love that they are fucking. And Ash's like, hey, 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:51.439 I don't say it, don't say it. And Benson's like, 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:54.439 I mean you could have kissed her good night? Like fuck. 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:56.680 He goes, well, you know I didn't make her take 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:59.880 the fire escape. So they have a little cute bantern. 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:01.600 I bet they say friends like I think they have 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:04.720 a vibe, like I feel like Benson and Navienn had 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:08.840 some drinks after. Maybe they fucked too, Like I just 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.000 I see there are people like them being friends. Yeah. 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:14.240 So like I bet he's like, don't go to the 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:18.160 Bahamas again, come with me, take it to Saint Bart's 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:21.400 in December. That's when the rich people go. That's a 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:25.200 Jill Zarin reference and either here nor there. Okay, So 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.080 that hit was it was going to say Barts in July. No, 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:33.080 I's going to say Barts in July, basically, and in 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.360 prison took a hit out for the both of them 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:40.400 one hundred grand. And Murphy is offended or Ramsey, I 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:45.839 don't know. I called him Murphy jesus, I'm doing. 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:47.000 A bad job, okay. 1:23:47.479 --> 1:23:50.559 So Ramsey is so offended that it was only fifty 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.280 grand each hit on them. So he's like, she's a 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:57.559 psycho and you've only seen all her masks, but she 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:00.479 will murder and do everything in her power to get away. 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:03.560 And Benson's like, okay, I don't know if greedy equals psychopath, 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:04.519 but you. 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.720 Know again, I don't know why she went in. 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:11.599 She's a good cop. She reads people like I don't 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:14.639 like when they do this to our peeps. So he's like, listen, 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:17.400 some psychopaths and never commit a crime. You know, they've 1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:20.840 adapted their amorality to fit into society. And Benson goes, yeah, 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:22.960 like your friend's on Wall Street. And he goes, yes, 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:25.719 who better to fire people and not care about people's 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:28.920 pensions like psychopaths. And she goes sure, but they didn't 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:32.080 break the law, and Benson goes, rape and embezzlement isn't 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:34.559 the same. He goes, yeah, you're bad guys get eighteen 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:36.920 years and my bad guys only get eighteen months. I 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:41.320 want my bad guys to serve more embarrassing. This is embarrassing. 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:43.240 I don't think she wants to be friends with him anymore. 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:46.200 So Benson is like, let's make sure she gets down 1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:49.320 for murder then so Craigan takes them all off the 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:51.920 case and she's you know, connected and all of that, 1:24:52.080 --> 1:24:55.000 and he has to protect his people. Benson still begs 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:56.840 to be the person to drive her from Rikers, and 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:59.880 he goes, no, it's done. Stop. Benson pretends to go 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:02.240 on Errand's and Stabler catches her and he's like, no, 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:04.640 don't do this. She goes, I'm not gonna let this 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.000 bitch scare me off. And he says, I shit my 1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:09.360 family off and she's like, they're civilians. 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.840 I have a job to do. Stabla goes, what Ramsey. 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:13.040 Put you up to this? 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:14.320 And it's like, do you not know our girl? 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:16.439 No, it was her idea, and Saba goes, well wait 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:19.000 a minute, go fuck yourself leaving me out. I want 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:22.400 to help too. So they bring him up and they're like, 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:26.080 what so you're just gonna go out with SERGQ just 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:31.040 cowboy it up. Then she goes, you have a problem 1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:32.720 with Ash. She goes no, but you're my partner and 1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:36.040 anyone should have your back, it's me. She says, Okay, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:38.120 I've got come on, let's go. So they all like 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:41.360 they all head out to Rikers. So Sarah Paulson's walking 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:44.120 out in orange jumpsuit and she's pretty flattered that she's 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:46.439 going to be moved to federal facilities. And Naven and 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:50.160 Benson are doing the switching. She's getting chained up, and 1:25:50.200 --> 1:25:53.280 she's being fully de Lulu. She's like, these women are 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:55.880 trash and I hate orange. And you get blue jumpsuits 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:58.439 in Federal, which is great. And so the cop gar 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.840 arrives and they're driving, and then they're in a part 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:04.720 of Queen's and so Naven and Benson are in the 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:07.519 car in the front and we have Richie rich S 1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:10.479 in the back and there a white van pulls up 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:13.000 in front of them, cutting them off. People start running out. 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:15.800 Ash backs out fast. A truck cuts them off from 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:17.920 the other side. They run out of the car and 1:26:17.960 --> 1:26:19.840 they start shooting, and they tell her to stay in 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.639 the car. She is smiling. She is having the time 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:24.320 of her life in the back of the car as 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:27.880 there's a shootout. And then Benson and Ash gets shot 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:30.280 dead shot shot shots like twelve shots each in their 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:33.320 stomach and chess and we know this is like obviously 1:26:33.400 --> 1:26:37.479 not real, since Benson has a dozen more seasons after this, but. 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.080 There's like blood pops like, I mean, like there's blood 1:26:40.120 --> 1:26:43.519 on their shirts, like it looks this is action movie level, 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:44.880 saying this live. 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:48.679 I can't, I can't. Then someone on buckles Anne puts 1:26:48.680 --> 1:26:51.000 her in the back of the white van. The masked 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.240 men in her drive off as she stares at their 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:53.960 dead bodies. 1:26:54.360 --> 1:26:55.200 They go to a motel. 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:58.200 She walks in and goes, oh, well, this isn't the Walldorf, 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:02.920 but hey, the masked man takes off his mask and 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:05.640 it's Finn. Oh my god. So then he says, if 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:08.439 you want to go somewhere else, there's the door. She's like, 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:12.080 how about a ride to Westchester County Airport there's a 1:27:12.200 --> 1:27:14.400 jet waiting, and he says sure, as long as I 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:16.960 get the rest of my money. She's like, okay, yeah, 1:27:16.960 --> 1:27:19.519 I'm gonna wire it to you. Don't you trust me? 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:21.320 And he sits on the bed and he's like, lady, 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:23.799 I just iced two cops for you. I don't trust 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:27.320 you one bit. He pulls on Sonny's She goes, fine, 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:29.320 I'll make a phone call and goes to the hotel landline. 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:30.880 He goes, no, no, no, no, don't use that phone. You 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:31.719 don't know who's listening. 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:34.960 Use my cell phone, So Benson and Ash they meet 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:38.599 up with Stabler in a van's steakout style. Benson is like, okay, 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:42.360 first my boots, now my shirt. So then Sarah Paulson 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:44.800 now calls the bank and she's talking in France and 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:46.360 she's I'm in France in French. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:48.960 She's loving it. She's having so much fun. 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:52.280 She says, it's all done, and she goes, my father 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:55.400 always said to seal business deals with champagne. So let's 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:59.400 start popping bottles. Do you think this dump has room service? 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:01.439 And Stabler I can't wait to get involved, and goes, well, 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:04.240 they do now, And so Anne is changing and telling 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:07.320 Finn like, damn, when my cellmate said that she knew 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:10.080 a hit man, I had no idea you'd be so attractive. 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:13.559 And so then he says I'm the total package, and 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:16.120 she goes, I wish I knew you sooner, and he goes, 1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:18.799 what to kill your parents? And she says I didn't. 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:22.360 He says, relaxed, baby, you're among friends. He adds, but 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.400 an axe, that's old school. She says, you didn't know 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:29.479 my mother. Constant judgment and harping, and then the bitch 1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:31.840 try to tell my daddy to cut me off the whill. 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.080 I had him wrapped around my finger for years, but 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:38.519 my mom was out to get me, always whispering nasty 1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:40.760 things in his ear. But I didn't want him dead. 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:44.519 But and then Finn cuts her off and says collateral damage, 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:48.000 and she goes, oh, exactly. She is so into him. 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:50.200 She says, you should come with me, darling. I can 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:53.240 always use a man with your skills. The possibilities are 1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:56.439 endless for us. Rio is beautiful this time of year. 1:28:56.760 --> 1:29:00.240 Knock knock, knock, room service. She is so excited to 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:04.080 drink and fuck Finn. And then Anne walks in Benson, Stabler, 1:29:04.120 --> 1:29:07.080 and Ash and she is shocked. She screams, you bast 1:29:07.120 --> 1:29:10.000 her and Finn arrests her. She screams, I will kill you. 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.760 I will kill all of you. And Ash finally goes 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:16.880 see your mask finally coming off, and Benson says, what 1:29:17.000 --> 1:29:19.519 took you so long? Then you know, they all walk 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:21.679 out of the motel room feeling pretty good about themselves. 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:25.880 And that's dick wolf Baby. Well, I mean, it's too 1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:28.599 bad it's based on a true crime, because this would 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:29.840 have been a really fun one to. 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:33.320 Do our live shows. I feel it is so silly 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:36.960 and wild and it's crazy that. 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:39.400 This like decorated actress is like the star of it. 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:41.960 I mean, Naveen Andrews two is very talented and like 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:46.439 it's just, oh my god, so nuts. Anyway, let's get 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:56.599 into the true crime, shall we can't wait? Okay, So 1:29:57.240 --> 1:30:00.360 a little blurb up top the Nazi reference. Okay, when 1:30:00.400 --> 1:30:02.759 they're talking about like blackmailing the head of the foundation 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:04.560 with like the sadus from the sex club with the 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:08.320 Nazi role play, that's a reference to Max Mosley, who 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:12.040 was a British businessman, a lawyer and a racing driver 1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:16.320 who was the president of the Federacion International Delotomobile, which 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:19.160 is the FIA which runs all of Formula one and 1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:22.439 in March of two thousand and eight News of the World, 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:26.200 which I think is kind of like a trashier rag 1:30:26.320 --> 1:30:29.880 over in the UK, they released video footage of Max 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.320 Mosley engaged in acts with five consenting women in a 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:41.400 sexual situation that they claimed involved Nazi like imagery and uh. 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:44.640 The case was dismissed as having no genuine basis by 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.080 the court, but it really fucked up Moseley's reputation. 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:50.120 So I think that's what they're borrowing from with this 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:54.800 so wrong if everyone's consent, like it's so wrong. 1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:57.639 Yeah, everybody's like, I don't know where the Nazi part 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:00.759 of it came in, but like because there's video footage 1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:02.840 of it, so is there Nazi stuff or not Nazi stuff? 1:31:02.880 --> 1:31:05.840 You know, but that's where that's what that came from. 1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:10.679 It's really wild too, because England has such stronger slander 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:12.720 laws than we do here. Like I know people that 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:16.040 will go and they will like sue corporate, they'll sue 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:21.400 like media in the UK because they consider we don't 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:23.960 consider We're like, something has to be really serious to 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:26.880 be slanderous here in the UK. It's much like more 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:30.559 broad like what can be considered slandering people. I'm sure 1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:32.240 we have British listeners that will let me know, but 1:31:32.400 --> 1:31:36.080 I'm pretty positive that that's true. No, their rags are 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:40.120 known as ruthless, I believe, yes for sure, but they 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.800 in their rags they must have some kind of truth 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:47.880 to like the little things, because you can get got 1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:53.280 for slander pretty hard. But anyway, Lizzie Borden, this is 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:56.120 what this case this episode is mostly based on. I 1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:58.400 would say there were a few other like people were 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:01.360 in the wiki. There were some suggestions that this might 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:03.639 be about other cases where people just kill their parents, 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:05.840 but they actually reference Lizzie bordon So that's the crime 1:32:05.880 --> 1:32:06.799 I'm going to talk about. 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:08.559 Today, which, like I. 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:14.160 I know, casually, I feel like I've probably like maybe 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:14.919 did a paper. 1:32:14.760 --> 1:32:17.559 In high school or something. I don't know. I'm excited 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:20.599 to know more details and information because she's such an eye, 1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:23.720 you know, for feminism. But yeah, and like there was 1:32:23.840 --> 1:32:26.320 movies made about her. I just feel like she's like 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.000 a really famous woman killer. But I want to know everything. 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:31.599 It's a hugely famous case and for a lot of reasons. 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:34.719 But I'm the same as you. I knew vaguely what happened. 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:36.439 I really didn't know before I researched it, so I 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.080 was actually happy to do it. So Benson refers to 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:42.439 Angela as Lizzie Borden. One of the most famous crimes 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.840 in American history took place during the Gilded Age, and 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:49.360 the violence of the crime attracted national attention, but also 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:53.000 because the victims had money and social clout, much like 1:32:53.080 --> 1:32:56.560 in this episode. It's been referenced in the media like 1:32:56.840 --> 1:33:00.320 tons and tons of times, plays, books, whatever, But there's 1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:03.360 also a very creepy nursery rhyme that people know, which 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:05.640 is Lizzie bored and took an axe and gave her 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:07.960 mother forty whax. When she saw what she had done, 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:09.400 she gave her father forty one. 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:11.960 So the rhyme is not. 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:14.920 Even accurate, but that's like a rhyme that people know about. 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:19.799 So Lizzie Andrew Borden famously killed both her father Andrew 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:24.000 Jackson Borden and her stepmother Abby Durfy Gray with a 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:27.920 hatchet in Fall River, Massachusetts in eighteen ninety two. So 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:31.559 a lot of times it's like axe imagery and stuff, 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:34.160 and even like at the end of this episode, Finn 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.120 goes with an axe that's cold, but it's actually a hatchet, 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:40.080 and they say that at the beginning of the episode 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.200 that those two parents are killed with a hatchet. 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:44.800 A hatchet is lighter and smaller than an axe. 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:46.720 You have to be like really fucking close up to 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:49.639 somebody and like really like whacking at them to kill 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:52.640 somebody with a hatchet like that, you know, So a 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:54.639 lot of them were a difference between those. 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:56.840 Right, Like a lot of people called her an ex murder, 1:33:56.960 --> 1:33:59.040 but it was really a hatchet. So her father was 1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:02.560 quite successful, had come from being a poor upbringing and 1:34:02.600 --> 1:34:04.840 he had become quite successful and was worth around three 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:07.479 hundred thousand dollars at the time of his death, which 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:11.639 is like ten million today, so pretty successful. Lizzie's mother 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:14.360 had died and then three years later he married Abby, 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:16.400 and Lizzie thought that she was kind of a gold 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:18.760 digger and only married her father for the money. So 1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:20.800 there was some tension in the family. The dad had 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:23.560 been giving away properties to members of his wife his 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:26.760 new wife's family. Lizzie and her older sister Emma were 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:28.439 pissed and they were like, well, we want our old 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:30.320 house that we lived in with our mom, and so 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:32.200 he gave them that. He sold it to them for 1:34:32.280 --> 1:34:34.960 a dollar, and then weeks before the murders they actually 1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:36.960 sold it back to him for five thousand dollars. 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:40.320 So, yeah, it's weird. I don't know. 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:42.160 I was reading about that and was like, I don't 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:45.160 really know what's up. I'm sure he gave it to 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:46.519 them as a gift, and then was probably they were 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:47.840 probably like, we don't know how to take care of this. 1:34:47.960 --> 1:34:49.160 You take it, give us money for it. 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:52.919 It was essentially sometimes I think the gifting of property 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:55.519 is really just like instead of the crassness of just 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:56.840 handing cash to someone. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:01.400 So anyway, it's ugs us forth. Eighteen ninety two. 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:06.360 In the house were Lizzie and a maid named Bridget Sullivan, 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:10.000 and that they would they called Bridget Maggie by the way, 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:13.599 I don't know why. And the girl's maternal uncle, John Morse, 1:35:13.600 --> 1:35:15.880 had actually stayed the night the night before, but he 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:17.840 had left that morning to go into town and buy 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:21.120 oxen and visit a niece. It's like a very eighteen 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.120 ninety two morning. I'm just gonna go buy some ox 1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:26.040 and have brunch with my niece. And then her father, 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:29.280 Andrew Borden, went on a morning walk. Abby, the stepmom, 1:35:29.320 --> 1:35:32.360 went upstairs to do some chores, and forensics alleged that 1:35:32.479 --> 1:35:34.920 she was facing her killer when she was attacked. She 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:36.880 was first smacked on the side of the head with 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:40.320 a hatchet, which cut her just above her ear, which 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:42.320 caused her to turn and fall face down on the floor. 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:46.599 The killer struck her multiple times, delivering seventeen more blows 1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:49.760 to the back of the head, killing her. And Then 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:52.840 Andrew came back from his walk, but his key wouldn't work, 1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:54.920 so we called the maid Sullivan, who had gone up 1:35:54.920 --> 1:35:58.640 to her room to rest. And then the maid went 1:35:58.720 --> 1:36:01.840 back to her room to rest, and she didn't know 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:04.160 anything that was going on until Lizzie called to her 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:06.880 and said, Maggie, come quick, father's dead. 1:36:07.000 --> 1:36:08.200 Someone's coming and killed him. 1:36:08.479 --> 1:36:11.040 And Andrew was found on a couch with ten to 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:15.560 eleven wounds from a hatchet, and his face was apparently unrecognizable. 1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:19.960 So it's an extremely violent crime. It's not like, oh, 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:21.320 a self defense. 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:23.160 Whack where you hit an artery and somebody bled out, 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:26.200 like somebody wanted to fuck these people up. One of 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:28.720 his eyes had been cleanly split in two, it said, 1:36:28.800 --> 1:36:31.320 suggesting that he had maybe been asleep on the couch 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:33.439 when he was attacked. And these attacks, by the way, 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.160 between the mother, the stepmother, and the father were like 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:38.960 within this space of ninety minutes. And then a neighboring 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.439 doctorate said, came over and pronounced them both dead. Eventually, 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:45.000 people were stunned that these murders could have happened in 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:47.840 broad daylight on a busy street and like a block 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:49.760 away from the main part of town, like where all 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:52.479 the businesses were. There was no apparent motive because there 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:55.360 was no sexual assault, nothing was stolen, no one saw 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.479 anyone enter or leave the home, and Lizzie claimed that 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:01.759 she was like out in the barn during what these attacks, 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:04.040 and that she came in and found the bodies. Police 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:06.400 initially thought the suspect would be a man and likely 1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:09.640 quote unquote a foreigner, and within a few hours of 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.559 the murder they had actually arrested an innocent Portuguese immigrant. 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:15.960 And there are a lot of elements of nationalism on 1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:18.880 display in this case, like where Lizzie had wanted her 1:37:18.920 --> 1:37:20.760 parents to move to a nicer part of town to 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:22.800 get away from all the Catholic immigrants that had been 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:26.879 flooding their neighborhood, like people from Ireland and like Portugal, 1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:29.040 it seems like. And then another thing was when she 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:32.080 found her father's body, she sent servants to go find 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.400 the family doctor across the street. She never bothered with 1:37:34.479 --> 1:37:37.479 the Irish doctor who lived right next door, never bothered 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:40.200 with the French Canadian doctor who lived behind them, and 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:43.920 according to Smithsonian Magazine quote, only a Yankee doctor would 1:37:43.920 --> 1:37:44.720 do so this is. 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:48.439 Like how a xenophobic family, yes, exactly. So. 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:53.000 Something else also happened in the aftermath of the murders, 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:55.920 which was that thousands of townspeople were curious and visited 1:37:56.000 --> 1:37:59.120 the home and were totally tampering with evidence and tainting 1:37:59.160 --> 1:37:59.960 the integrity of the crime. 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:01.400 But it's like eighteen ninety two. 1:38:01.479 --> 1:38:04.439 It don't a police tape, you know, so no one's 1:38:04.760 --> 1:38:07.040 like so, you know, the crime scene was very fucked, 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.720 so no one suspected Lizzie had done this. She was 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:13.200 a Sunday school teacher at her wealthy Central Congregational Church. 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:18.320 She was described by everybody as like a typical Victorian lady, 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:21.120 like she wasn't married or anything. But what I was 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:23.559 reading was that her sister was considered a spinster, her 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:27.439 older sister, because on her deathbed, the mother said, please 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:29.479 take care of baby Lizzie, and so the sister had 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:31.200 sort of devoted her life to take care of Lizzie. 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:33.599 Lizzie didn't have any romantic prospects and was in her 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:36.680 early thirties, which at that time seems like late to 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:38.560 be a single woman still, but everyone thought she was 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:41.799 like so elegant and like the picture of Victorian society 1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:45.439 or whatever Gilded Age realness. But then no one suspected her. 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:48.080 But then her interviews with the police were weird. At 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.760 one point she said, oh, I heard a groan and 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:52.360 then I went into the house. And then later she 1:38:52.400 --> 1:38:54.160 said she heard nothing, and she went into the house 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:56.679 suspecting nothing. And a lot of the cops that talked 1:38:56.720 --> 1:38:59.880 to her didn't like her attitude. Okay, they didn't like 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:02.400 that she wasn't hysterical. They said she was too calm. 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:05.000 She never shed a tear while she was talking to them, 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:08.840 and they thought that was weird. 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:10.439 It is kind of weird. 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:12.439 But also we've talked about this before, like there's no 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:16.920 perfect way to be traumatized, you know, like some people freeze, 1:39:17.360 --> 1:39:20.200 So her reaction was weird. And then police found two 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.759 hatchets and two axes in the basement, and the police 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:26.439 also found that Lizzie had tried to procure a deadly 1:39:26.640 --> 1:39:30.280 prussic acid from a pharmacy the day before, but she claimed, 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.080 oh no, that was just to clean my fur coats. 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:34.519 I use that acid to clean my fur coats. They 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:37.360 tested the two bodies were poisoned. None was found, so 1:39:37.479 --> 1:39:40.000 there was an inquest hearing on the eighth, Like, this 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:42.840 move's really fast, because what's the day? August fourth is 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:45.559 the day they're murdered four days later, there's an inquest hearing. 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:49.160 A doctor testified that Lizzie had been prescribed double doses 1:39:49.200 --> 1:39:51.719 of morphine to calm her nerves and that that may. 1:39:51.680 --> 1:39:53.639 Have affected her behavior. 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:55.439 Like that could have been what caused her to remember 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:59.799 things differently, be confused, possibly not be emotional and reactionary. 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.600 She's in like a morphine stupor, you know, like but 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:05.960 also there are expectations of women at this time that 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:09.400 she act in a certain way. So then apparently she 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:13.000 started refusing to answer questions, she contradicted herself, her story 1:40:13.080 --> 1:40:14.280 started to vary again. 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:16.200 This all could have been from the morphine, and. 1:40:17.960 --> 1:40:20.759 Yes, the family doctor testified that it could have contributed 1:40:20.760 --> 1:40:23.920 to her foggy memory. On August eleventh, one week after 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:27.200 the murders, Lizzie was arrested and jailed. And this high 1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:30.280 society lady was in a cell for almost ten months. 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:38.680 And the case, yeah, the case, so no, no, that 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:40.479 was just her jail time until the trial. She just 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:43.120 didn't get bail, so she was jailed till trial. 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:47.360 Ahy, that's shocking. Yeah, so she's jailed till trial. So 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.360 this case, I think what I was reading a lot 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:50.960 of my reading. 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:53.479 The reason that it sort of has hit such a 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:55.679 nerve and been like a big part of our cultural 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:58.280 consciousness is because of a couple of things, and one 1:40:58.360 --> 1:41:01.360 of them is that sensational journalists had like just begun, 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:04.000 you know, like that had just started, and like a 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:08.400 murder happening among like the well healed was super like 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:11.560 supercharging that fire, you know, like this was just like 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:15.880 kind of the first Nancy Grace type trial and like 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:19.200 some doctor Jean Kim, who was a clinical assistant professor 1:41:19.439 --> 1:41:23.040 of psychiatry at George Washington University, told Rolling Stone that 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:26.000 the bored and murders quote reflect a key moment in 1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:29.000 our modern public consciousness about the reality of violence in 1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:33.360 private families, even ones that seem outwardly affluent or normal 1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:34.360 end quote. 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:35.599 So I thought that was interesting. 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:37.920 It's like one of these first crimes among the rich, 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:41.120 you know, that hasn't been shunned. And then there is 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:46.719 also this like nationalistic like you know, nativism that's happening 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:49.080 of like you know, white people that are think they're 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.960 whatever Mayflower people, and then the immigrants that are coming in. 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:54.519 So like there was a local Irish paper that was 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:57.200 posting all this shipping like, oh, Lizzie's guilty as hell, 1:41:57.280 --> 1:41:59.040 And then the local town paper that had been around 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:01.200 forever was like, oh no, not lady. 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:02.920 Lizzie, She's innocent. She's innocent. 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:07.360 So that's all contributing to like the atmosphere. So there 1:42:07.439 --> 1:42:10.000 was grand jury on November seventh, and then eventually she 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:16.080 was indicted on December second. So women's groups were furious 1:42:16.320 --> 1:42:19.920 and protested because she would not be charged by a 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:21.920 jury of her peers because women at that time were 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:24.639 not allowed to sit on juries. So suffragettes and all 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:28.080 these women's groups were like really protesting on behalf of Lizzie, 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:32.120 like this is bullshit, like you know, witch hunt vibes. 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:36.360 And so another major thing was like the acts found 1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:40.439 in the basement, which prosecutors did not adequately prove was 1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:42.920 the murder weapon, and a Harvard chemist testified that there 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:45.519 was no blood found on the axes or the hatchets. 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:47.840 So, I mean, it's eighteen ninety two. 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:48.559 A lot of people are. 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:50.840 Gonna have axes in their basement, right or hatchets. It 1:42:50.880 --> 1:42:56.160 doesn't really prove anything. Also, interestingly, no bloody clothing was 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:58.800 found at the scene, and Lizzie turned the dress she 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:00.720 was wearing over to the plea and it only had 1:43:00.760 --> 1:43:03.080 a tiny spot of blood on it, which is pretty 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:06.360 impossible considering the murder weapon was a hatchet. She'd have 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:08.320 to be extremely close to the victims and there would 1:43:08.320 --> 1:43:12.479 have been spatter splatter or whatever. But then what kind 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:16.000 of turned to get her the indictment was her friend 1:43:16.160 --> 1:43:20.880 Alice Russell testified she was like Lizzie's best friend. She 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:23.200 testified that she had come to stay at the home 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:25.720 after the murders to support her friend, and she saw 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:28.040 Lizzie take a dress from the closet and burn it 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.840 in the kitchen stove. Lizzie had said she brushed up 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:34.600 against wet paint and ruined the dress, but everybody was 1:43:34.640 --> 1:43:36.720 pretty positive that was like a dress that she was 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:38.960 covered in blood that she murdered her parents in. And 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:41.639 that testimony is what caused the grand jury to indict. 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:44.280 So she does get indicted, she stays in jail, and 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:47.120 then her trial happens on June fifth of eighteen eighty three, 1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:49.360 So now she's been in jail for about ten months 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:52.719 since the murder has happened, and now it's trial time. Also, weirdly, 1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:55.920 five days before the trial started. There was another axe 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:59.920 murder in fall River, Massachusetts, but they got that guy 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:01.880 and he was not in fall River at the time 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:02.720 of the Boarden's murder. 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:05.240 So it's just a weird coincidence that I wanted to mention. 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:11.440 So at trial, Lizzie's lawyers are giving her the elwoods, 1:44:11.560 --> 1:44:13.479 you know, they're telling her how to handle it. They're 1:44:13.560 --> 1:44:17.880 like she played damsel in distress. She wore black, she 1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:22.120 wore a tightly corseted black flowing dress. She had flowers 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.080 in one hand a fan in the other, Like she 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:27.320 was definitely you know, she was showing up for the 1:44:27.360 --> 1:44:29.320 people that were on her side and trying to. 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:30.760 Play like little o me. 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:33.439 She had the best legal team that her murdered father's 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:36.720 money could buy. One of Boston's best defense attorneys was 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:39.559 on her team, as well as a former Massachusetts governor 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:41.720 who had appointed one of the three judges who was 1:44:41.800 --> 1:44:46.040 presiding over the case. So wild conflict of interestship. But 1:44:46.600 --> 1:44:50.880 she's got a crackerjack team of lawyers. And during the trial, 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:54.280 both the victims' heads had been removed and were presented 1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:58.320 as evidence, Like they brought their severed heads into the courtroom, 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:03.200 and Lizzie fainted when she saw them, but after hearing everything, 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:05.920 after an hour and a half of deliberation, Lizzie Borden 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:06.519 was acquitted. 1:45:07.160 --> 1:45:08.080 She walked. 1:45:08.600 --> 1:45:10.679 No one else has ever been charged with the murders. 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:13.080 There are a lot of theories of the crime that 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:14.639 have circulated in the years. 1:45:14.800 --> 1:45:15.280 One is that. 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:18.439 Lizzie was physically and sexually abused by her father. 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:20.160 Wait, but what do we know? 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:20.559 Why? 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:23.840 Oh fuck, but do we know why? The jury was like, 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:24.720 you're a good girl. 1:45:25.760 --> 1:45:28.080 I think they just like couldn't prove it, Like they 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:30.600 really couldn't prove she did it. Like there was no 1:45:30.720 --> 1:45:33.040 blood on the app They obviously didn't prove that it 1:45:33.080 --> 1:45:35.240 was the murder weapon, so no murder weapon. 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:38.080 It would have been hard for her to dispose. 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:40.719 Of a murder weapon as well, you know, But also 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:43.320 there wasn't there could have been blood on the axes 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:45.400 that were in the basement. They didn't have like luminol 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:47.840 and like all that shit. Then I don't think maybe 1:45:47.880 --> 1:45:51.280 they did, but it's possible she cleaned the hatchet really 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:53.360 quick and threw it in the basement and then was like, Maggie, 1:45:53.400 --> 1:45:53.880 come quick. 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:54.120 You know. 1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:58.640 Who knows, But it seems like this could have been 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:02.400 a case of a random murder. I'm like, the more 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:04.240 I was researching it, I was like, maybe she didn't 1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:07.240 do it. Maybe it was truly like the sexism of 1:46:07.439 --> 1:46:10.479 like she wasn't reacting in the way that the cops liked, 1:46:10.520 --> 1:46:12.879 and she was giving weird answers which could be attributed 1:46:12.920 --> 1:46:13.559 to the morphine. 1:46:13.600 --> 1:46:15.240 And so well, because I feel there was a movie 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:18.280 with Christina Ricci or something, yeah, and it Oh you're 1:46:18.320 --> 1:46:21.120 gonna talk about it? Yeah, okay, because I felt like 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:23.040 the way they marketed it, it was supposed to be 1:46:23.160 --> 1:46:26.679 like the actual truth and like this, like she was framed. 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:29.679 So yeah, I wonder. 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:32.519 I mean, I think it's sort of like Lizzie Borden. 1:46:32.560 --> 1:46:34.120 I think kind of folds into like which I have. 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:35.880 To see what she looks like because I am only 1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:41.759 imagining Sarah Paulson right now. Oh no, different, Wait, she's scary, 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:42.559 She's scary. 1:46:42.680 --> 1:46:43.080 She did it? 1:46:45.240 --> 1:46:45.960 Oh my god. 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:51.120 Well, listen, she was acquitted. No one else was ever 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:54.760 charged with the murders, and that's it. Like there are 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:57.400 tons of theories, like one is that she was physically 1:46:57.479 --> 1:46:59.560 and sexually abused by her dad, which led her to 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:02.599 murder her. There's not a lot of evidence that that happened, 1:47:02.640 --> 1:47:04.960 but also that kind of thing wasn't openly discussed at 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:07.840 the time, nor is it openly discussed, you know now. 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:10.599 Another was that she was angry at her father, who 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:13.200 a few days before the murder had killed her pet 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:16.240 pigeons with a hatchet. And there was also a theory 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:20.320 that Lizzie was caught by her stepmother in a sexual 1:47:20.400 --> 1:47:25.360 situation with Maggie the Maid, and that is another movie 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:28.160 that was made of it. But none of these theories 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.040 have been proven, which is another reason why people are 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.320 just obsessed because it's like conspiracy theories, like it's like 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:36.200 a little generator for that. After the trial, she stayed 1:47:36.200 --> 1:47:38.479 in fall River. Her and her sister Emma moved into 1:47:38.520 --> 1:47:41.639 a house together. Even though she was acquitted and people 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:43.960 in the town had been on her side, she was 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:46.559 pretty much a pariah in fall River after the trial, 1:47:46.720 --> 1:47:48.400 like people stared at her when she went out on 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:50.040 the streets, and then when she kind of withdrew and 1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:52.639 stayed in her home, people played pranks on her house. 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:55.720 And then in nineteen oh four, the two sisters had 1:47:55.760 --> 1:47:57.920 an argument and Emma moved out. In nineteen oh five 1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:02.200 and never saw Lizzie again, and despite being this outcast, 1:48:02.280 --> 1:48:04.519 Lizzie remained in Fall River until her death, and she 1:48:04.640 --> 1:48:06.840 died of pneumonia at the age of sixty six on 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:10.639 June first, nineteen twenty seven, and like nine days later, 1:48:10.720 --> 1:48:13.120 her sister Emma died and they were buried in the 1:48:13.160 --> 1:48:15.479 same plot as their father and their stepmother. 1:48:16.240 --> 1:48:17.559 And there have been. 1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:22.559 Plays about Lizzie bordon ballets, musicals, rock operas, books, movies, 1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:26.120 so much media about this story. In nineteen seventy five, 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:30.439 the star of Bewitched, Elizabeth Montgomery, starred as Lizzie in 1:48:30.479 --> 1:48:32.719 a made for TV movie called The Legend of Lizzie Borden, 1:48:32.800 --> 1:48:36.000 and Elizabeth Montgomery was actually sixth cousins with Lizzie Borden, 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:39.240 so I guess that made it more legit. Christina Ricci, 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:41.519 as you mentioned, played her in a Lifetime movie which 1:48:41.600 --> 1:48:45.880 spawned a TV series. Both were wild widely panned by critics, 1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:49.160 so they both kind of flopped, and then Chloe seventy 1:48:49.360 --> 1:48:53.639 played her. Svulum played Lizzie Borden along with Kristin Stewart 1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:57.760 playing Maggie the Maid in another movie that took the 1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:01.920 lesbian affair angle between the two of them, and Fall River, 1:49:02.080 --> 1:49:06.559 Massachusetts actually still does an annual dramatization on August fourth 1:49:06.880 --> 1:49:09.639 of the thing and people like role play as them, 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:12.840 and one year a guy playing a detective and a 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:14.599 woman playing a bride or something. 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:16.960 Wait, maybe she was playing Lizzie Bord. 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:18.680 And I'm sorry I didn't break this down, but these 1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:21.519 two people that met at the dramatization got married. And 1:49:21.880 --> 1:49:24.000 the house where the murders truk place is now like 1:49:24.120 --> 1:49:26.040 a spooky B and B and you can go to 1:49:26.160 --> 1:49:29.679 like Lizzibordon dot com and there's full. 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:32.040 Exactly what I'm doing right now. That's so yeah, there's 1:49:32.120 --> 1:49:33.160 like you can book a room. 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:35.120 I put it, I'll put it in a show notes, guys, 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:37.760 you can book a room, you can book a tour. 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:39.320 It's like a whole thing. 1:49:39.520 --> 1:49:41.920 So, I don't know, Like the more I read about it, 1:49:42.000 --> 1:49:45.920 I was like, it is like pretty wild that in 1:49:46.080 --> 1:49:48.000 such a quick amount of time, first of all, that 1:49:48.080 --> 1:49:51.000 she would be ballsy enough to like do it, knowing 1:49:51.080 --> 1:49:52.760 that her uncle, who was a house guest, could have 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:54.840 come home at any minute, her her maid could have 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:55.320 seen her. 1:49:56.200 --> 1:50:03.160 Did anyone even find out? Like who else could have? 1:50:03.680 --> 1:50:05.560 Like were there enemies. Was it a ram that like 1:50:05.640 --> 1:50:08.280 no one knows that's the thing, Like nobody else stood 1:50:08.360 --> 1:50:09.519 to gain anything from it. 1:50:11.000 --> 1:50:12.040 But it's so funny. 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:14.200 There's like so much availability to stay in a room 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:18.759 except for the third and fourth fucked booked baby in August. 1:50:18.920 --> 1:50:20.240 Wait, this is nuts. 1:50:20.400 --> 1:50:22.639 Select what kind of room? Oh my god, you could 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:28.000 pick their names. Oh my god, you can, Oh my god, 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:29.840 the whole house. I need to get married so I 1:50:29.880 --> 1:50:32.200 can have my bachelort party at the Lizzie Boarden House. 1:50:33.920 --> 1:50:36.200 Yeah, it says join us to stay, play and for 1:50:36.320 --> 1:50:40.599 a hauntingly fun time, and you can do tours. 1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:41.640 And I don't know. 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:42.920 Fall River is like a place. 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:45.479 The whole house is harder to book, that's for sure. Okay, 1:50:45.479 --> 1:50:47.000 there's some in November. Let's see. 1:50:47.400 --> 1:50:49.599 Fall River is a place that the bus I used 1:50:49.600 --> 1:50:52.040 to take from Boston to Newport RhoD Island used to stop. 1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:53.680 So I don't really know that much about it. But 1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:56.960 that's that on Lizzie Borden and I didn't really know 1:50:57.080 --> 1:51:00.479 a ton And it's creepy. It's creepy here, Like I 1:51:00.479 --> 1:51:02.240 don't want to stay. I don't want to say, I 1:51:02.280 --> 1:51:04.479 don't want to say. I take an ax, let's do 1:51:04.640 --> 1:51:07.760 something else for your batch, please case. 1:51:07.520 --> 1:51:10.720 He is nodding, no as well. No, I, now that 1:51:10.800 --> 1:51:12.840 I see these rooms, I really have no interest. I'm 1:51:12.880 --> 1:51:17.479 more of a luxury traveler. But that's that one way. 1:51:17.600 --> 1:51:19.720 So you can say, like in the room where they 1:51:19.760 --> 1:51:20.640 were murdered. 1:51:20.520 --> 1:51:23.519 I guess so, because well, the yeah, the mother was 1:51:23.640 --> 1:51:26.360 murdered upstairs, and then that he was murdered on a couch. 1:51:26.439 --> 1:51:28.040 It looked like almost in a common area. 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:33.160 I don't know, it's sort of yeah, but yeah, ok, yeah, 1:51:33.360 --> 1:51:35.720 it's creepy, but it's affordable though. 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:38.880 It's like two hundred to three fifty for each of 1:51:38.960 --> 1:51:43.280 the rooms. Yeah, and for a for a night of 1:51:43.360 --> 1:51:45.360 no sleep because you'll probably be hearing ghosts. 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:48.679 But let's get well, let's get into the post mortem. 1:51:48.680 --> 1:51:49.880 We don't have a guest today, so we can just 1:51:49.920 --> 1:51:51.439 start talking about our feelings. 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:57.719 Now that's great, boom, all. 1:51:57.720 --> 1:52:00.920 Right, no guests today, so let's just jump right into 1:52:01.000 --> 1:52:04.640 the post mortem of I don't know our postmortem. Like 1:52:04.720 --> 1:52:06.479 the idea of it when we first started this podcast 1:52:06.640 --> 1:52:08.280 was like what are the lessons we learned? 1:52:08.320 --> 1:52:09.400 What are the big takeaways? 1:52:09.439 --> 1:52:11.599 And then there's like episodes like this where you're like, yeah, 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:14.040 I guess, don't be like a psycho, greedy, trust fun 1:52:14.080 --> 1:52:16.160 bitch who murders your parents. Like I don't really know 1:52:16.280 --> 1:52:20.360 how like this much of this episode applies to life, but. 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:25.479 It's interesting that like, and that lot people are bad 1:52:25.520 --> 1:52:29.599 at things. Yeah that you know, we're so hard on nepos, 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:31.800 but it's like there are a lot of nepo failures. 1:52:32.040 --> 1:52:33.759 And yes, I think. 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:37.320 Actually nepotism contributes greatly to failure to launch and for 1:52:37.800 --> 1:52:41.040 like you know, delusions of grandeur and then you can't 1:52:41.120 --> 1:52:42.120 like reach. 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:42.720 Up to them, you know. 1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:46.760 But I also think that it is interesting in the 1:52:46.840 --> 1:52:50.639 episode how she's so she's like, oh, I love my daddy, 1:52:50.680 --> 1:52:51.400 and my daddy was. 1:52:51.400 --> 1:52:53.240 Like wrapped around my little finger, but my mom was 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:56.760 a fucking bitch that she was like just had to 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:58.919 kill my dad too. Collateral damage. 1:52:59.800 --> 1:53:03.400 I think she's doing in prison or did she get off? 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:05.880 I mean, I'm sure she got a great lawyer, I 1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:06.839 know somebody. 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:11.639 But you know how like you can't profit from your crimes, 1:53:11.880 --> 1:53:15.840 Like if you kill somebody for money ostensibly, like and 1:53:15.920 --> 1:53:17.960 you inherit all this money from somebody that you murder, 1:53:18.560 --> 1:53:22.879 can you use that money in your own defense. I'm interested, 1:53:22.920 --> 1:53:25.000 although she could get a pro bono good lawyer because 1:53:25.000 --> 1:53:26.679 this kind of case would be all over the news. 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:30.880 I also, this reminds me of are you thinking about 1:53:30.880 --> 1:53:34.120 the same thing I am, Gypsy Rose being pregnant. 1:53:34.240 --> 1:53:37.000 Yeah, yes, yes, that's exactly what I was saying. I know, 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:38.840 there's no way you're thinking what I'm thinking. 1:53:39.360 --> 1:53:41.040 That's exactly what I was just gonna. 1:53:40.760 --> 1:53:41.360 Say to it. 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:42.320 Yeah, did you see? 1:53:42.760 --> 1:53:44.880 So we're a little bit behind, obviously because we're in 1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:49.280 the time machine, but not this aka Lindsay Hubbard pregnant, 1:53:49.880 --> 1:53:53.280 Gypsy Rose pregnant two major pregnancies. 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:55.280 For us, I would say yeah, But to Rinda in 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:58.320 the rumors about Traders, like, I don't know, I believe 1:53:58.360 --> 1:54:01.720 the rumors of Lindsay being pregnant before she announced and confirmed, 1:54:01.960 --> 1:54:03.760 so I never't. 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:04.280 As a surprise to me. 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:06.080 Yeah, because she's pissed at Dirnda because she was gonna 1:54:06.080 --> 1:54:08.560 be on the Traders and kept her pregnancy secret and 1:54:08.720 --> 1:54:13.759 Derinda told on her, told producers H wow. 1:54:15.120 --> 1:54:15.360 Yeah. 1:54:15.439 --> 1:54:17.840 And then one of the things I saw that advertised 1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:20.080 the New Traders cast wrote her down as door Linda, 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:22.280 which I love and I might just be calling her 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:25.519 that from now on, Door Linda anyway. 1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:31.680 Wow, But Gypsy Rose is guy, so I guess they 1:54:31.760 --> 1:54:34.440 used to date before this other ex husband and then 1:54:34.440 --> 1:54:38.520 they've kicklled once she got out. You know, all the 1:54:38.640 --> 1:54:42.320 male killers get to have groupies. Like I'm I'm fine 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:45.520 with her doing this. I hope, you know, she's happy 1:54:45.600 --> 1:54:48.960 having a kid. I hope she makes money. But the 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:51.920 video I saw in all the comments I saw about 1:54:51.960 --> 1:54:55.200 her talking about it is she's crying in quotes, but 1:54:55.320 --> 1:55:01.160 there's no tears. Okay, okay, Like she's talking about I 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:03.480 want to give this baby like a childhood I didn't have, 1:55:03.640 --> 1:55:06.240 filled with love, and then she starts crying because of 1:55:06.520 --> 1:55:08.600 you know, her abuse, but there's no tears. 1:55:09.040 --> 1:55:11.800 I just like really need there to be somebody very 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:15.480 carefully monitoring this whole situation. 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:18.640 She's in some sort of parole situation, you know, Like 1:55:18.680 --> 1:55:20.160 I'm sure she has a parole officer. 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:20.840 Yeah. 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:22.960 No, I just kind of mean, like and I feel 1:55:23.000 --> 1:55:25.920 like she has a therapy unless she's a psychopath, but 1:55:26.040 --> 1:55:28.440 like she was really good on the view, Like the 1:55:28.520 --> 1:55:30.760 way she talks about stuff is very measured, and I 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:33.560 don't think she's a psychopath. I just do think I 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:36.360 just think she has been like severely traumatized, and I 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:38.080 just like would stunted. 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:41.200 I just want to be sure that everything is at least. 1:55:41.040 --> 1:55:43.720 This guy's hotter, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 1:55:44.480 --> 1:55:47.800 I'm at least happy she's getting this hot dude, this baby. 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:49.040 I'm sorry. 1:55:49.840 --> 1:55:53.600 Yeah, I hope everything goes good for Gypsy poor thing. 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:56.160 Oh my god, but I can't believe we were both 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:58.080 just thinking that that's so funny. 1:55:58.320 --> 1:56:00.240 Well someone just I saw a story or is like 1:56:00.320 --> 1:56:03.160 hold on, So Gypsy Rose got a dude to murder 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:06.680 her mom for her, then she had a husband in jail. 1:56:07.000 --> 1:56:10.200 Now she has a new husband, like a like what 1:56:10.800 --> 1:56:13.040 and I'm getting ghosted or something like that, you know, 1:56:13.200 --> 1:56:16.200 like just someone on top. Oh yeah yeah yeah, like yeah, 1:56:16.280 --> 1:56:19.440 she's really bringing them in. Yeah, she sure is. 1:56:19.520 --> 1:56:21.680 But like you said, people, you know, there's the guy 1:56:21.760 --> 1:56:25.160 groupies for the they're the girl groupies for Richard Ramirez, 1:56:25.200 --> 1:56:28.080 and there's the guy groupies for Gypsy Ros. 1:56:28.840 --> 1:56:30.720 Yeah. Oh and you know what else, going back to 1:56:30.760 --> 1:56:32.960 what I was talking about up top about him being like, uh, 1:56:33.000 --> 1:56:35.320 you're thirty six and single. You guys are clapping for that? 1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:39.320 Like that's so delusional. All that like Jared Freed straight 1:56:39.360 --> 1:56:41.600 up as a special called thirty seven and single, Like 1:56:41.720 --> 1:56:47.600 it is just so crazy. Yeah, like the different dynamics 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:49.600 and how they don't see that. It's like, oh, yeah, 1:56:49.600 --> 1:56:51.120 you don't see us as people and that's why, like 1:56:51.440 --> 1:56:53.880 I don't know, I will never yeah, PEO will never 1:56:53.960 --> 1:56:56.200 understand each other and I will always. Those guys don't. 1:56:56.000 --> 1:56:58.520 Care about men being single at fifty or sixty, Like 1:56:58.560 --> 1:56:59.000 they don't care. 1:56:59.080 --> 1:57:01.600 That doesn't matter. They also don't actually care about it. 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:03.680 They just don't like that there's a lack of control 1:57:03.800 --> 1:57:05.720 all of a sudden. They like, well, the idea that 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:08.240 there's a woman running around without having to that doesn't 1:57:08.280 --> 1:57:08.560 need you. 1:57:08.880 --> 1:57:12.880 Yeah, that doesn't need man, men man any man. I mean, 1:57:13.000 --> 1:57:14.320 I you just told me who it is, and that 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:19.640 guy's pretty repulsive. So I texted someone else and he 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:22.560 was like, that is a psychopath. Why are you getting involved? 1:57:22.560 --> 1:57:25.160 Like he's like, I'm like, I wasn't getting involved. Thought 1:57:25.160 --> 1:57:27.800 it'd be a normal convo. Not really but you know, 1:57:28.440 --> 1:57:30.760 but I agree, But I think that what you said 1:57:31.920 --> 1:57:35.640 is comic to comic. You shouldn't really like talk shit 1:57:35.680 --> 1:57:38.680 about a comic after they've left the room. Yeah, and 1:57:38.720 --> 1:57:40.880 I think that's like what you're saying. Like I did 1:57:40.960 --> 1:57:43.720 part about the electation guy, but that is different. 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:45.320 Oh, he had left the room. 1:57:45.880 --> 1:57:46.360 He left. 1:57:46.560 --> 1:57:48.240 I think he ran away as soon as he got 1:57:48.280 --> 1:57:50.840 off the stage. Well that's I think you were therapizing 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:53.000 the audience. Let's be honest. I think they needed you 1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:54.840 to land the plane on that one. 1:57:55.360 --> 1:57:56.000 Oh my god. 1:57:56.240 --> 1:57:59.800 And then I would say the first show, I go, 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:04.320 who's under thirty? Almost everyone? I go, who's under twenty five? 1:58:04.600 --> 1:58:06.560 Eighty percent of the room. I go, oh my god. 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:09.560 I go, oh my god. I don't have to respect 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:12.720 any of you. And then I said, how many of 1:58:12.760 --> 1:58:16.400 you are in finance? Every hand they were all one 1:58:16.480 --> 1:58:19.560 work at Newmark, one was Bank of America, one was 1:58:19.680 --> 1:58:23.400 Ernst and Young and yeah, like they all were like 1:58:23.600 --> 1:58:29.240 finance boys and two girls. Jeez, finance bros. Night out. 1:58:30.320 --> 1:58:33.040 Yeah at the comedy at the comedy night. 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:35.400 This is a fun episode. You're not going to get 1:58:35.440 --> 1:58:38.760 one on the SV Detective, so don't even try it. 1:58:38.920 --> 1:58:41.320 That's what we fucking learned. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't know 1:58:41.320 --> 1:58:43.560 how much money you get fan undercover. I mean she 1:58:43.680 --> 1:58:45.720 wanted a fuck fin I'm honestly pissed. We didn't get 1:58:45.720 --> 1:58:46.600 to see that from it. I know. 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:50.040 We also learned that, like there was a course in 1:58:50.080 --> 1:58:53.200 the Police Academy in acting, and that the NYPD has 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:55.640 like a full special effects budget where they can like 1:58:56.240 --> 1:59:01.880 forge deaths, fake deaths and full gunshot kidnappings. Like this 1:59:02.040 --> 1:59:05.320 episode is camp baby, and I love it so much. 1:59:05.600 --> 1:59:07.160 We can move on to what would Sister Peg do? 1:59:07.320 --> 1:59:13.560 Our weekly segment where we direct you guys towards you know, organizations, articles, books, 1:59:13.680 --> 1:59:15.600 something that gives you more information on what we talk today. 1:59:15.880 --> 1:59:19.600 To be honest, this episode doesn't really conjure a any 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:23.400 sort of charitable organization in my mind because it, like, 1:59:23.600 --> 1:59:25.920 you know, the crime is over one hundred years old 1:59:25.960 --> 1:59:29.080 and the episode is off the charts wild. So I 1:59:29.240 --> 1:59:31.000 just wanted to point you guys to the twenty eighteen 1:59:31.080 --> 1:59:34.720 movie Lizzie, which people say has sort of like a 1:59:34.840 --> 1:59:38.240 me too perspective of the Lizzie bordon story. It's a 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:42.720 sexy retelling starring Chloe Savignier as Lizzie Borden and Kristen 1:59:42.800 --> 1:59:46.320 Stewart as her servant girl Bridget. 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