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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome, So that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we talk
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Speaker 1: We're back from July fourth, and I mean I was
Speaker 1: in bed pasted.
Speaker 4: Out by ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I was at Coney Island for twelve hours.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that'll that'll take it right out of you.
Speaker 1: That's how it's crazy. It is what hours, like nine
Speaker 1: to nine. Yeah, So we got to the beach at
Speaker 1: nine am and then Paul's daughter this like bar restaurant
Speaker 1: we like on the boardwalk, that's kind of an institution.
Speaker 1: We went there at right at eleven as it opened,
Speaker 1: and we were there and then it was then we
Speaker 1: were drunk.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we played games. I don't know if you saw.
Speaker 4: I wanted well lane.
Speaker 1: There was only one man with a big gaggle of women,
Speaker 1: and he won all the toys for us. I saw
Speaker 1: Elaine was the hero of the day. I did see that. Well,
Speaker 1: he came back to the table. He just went to
Speaker 1: the bathroom and came back with a little Pikachu. So
Speaker 1: then we were like okay. And then he just kept
Speaker 1: winning us toys, and we all had demands and all
Speaker 1: of us wanted different toys in different games, and he
Speaker 1: was just doing it so good. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, he like looks like a Kendall. He totally looks
Speaker 3: like your guy that you're like, hey, cute strong man,
Speaker 3: go win me a toy, and he's like be right back,
Speaker 3: you know, like that is like Lane's look.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was just knocking down milk bottles, those
Speaker 1: milk jugs in one toppling them down, and these are scams.
Speaker 1: He popped balloons with a dart thing.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: These weren't even just simple. Because then we all played
Speaker 1: the water gun games, so I don't count that as
Speaker 1: a win because we were all playing against like, we
Speaker 1: were all trying to win Julia this one thing, like
Speaker 1: for the demand. But we rode the rides. I went
Speaker 1: into that ball, got jumped, you know, thrown in the air.
Speaker 1: But we were also just like drinking all night, smoking weed,
Speaker 1: so I got home and ate taco. I mean that
Speaker 1: walk home from the train to my apartment. I looked like,
Speaker 1: oh you of course we have this podcast together. Remember
Speaker 1: Big Business when the limo leaves them and they're just
Speaker 1: like walking back to the hotel so tired. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I looked like, just holding this giant Ux saladel
Speaker 1: fully just like tanned tits out. Well, I went to
Speaker 1: the to the ride to buy the ball, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, and then he comes back. He goes,
Speaker 1: you need to put on a shirt, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I have a shirt. I have a shirt. But I
Speaker 1: get their fear. They were worrying your tits. We're gonna
Speaker 1: fly out on a ride. That's amazing. Oh but then,
Speaker 1: so I'm wearing an obscure tailor bracelet right now.
Speaker 4: It says blue dress on a.
Speaker 1: Boat And I made it and I really like it,
Speaker 1: and a girl in line went loved the tailor, and like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you guys are all like, well,
Speaker 1: it's very popular.
Speaker 4: It's like liking the Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: It's like everywhere you go you can meet a Seinfeld fan,
Speaker 1: a Tailor Swift fan, Like liking popular culture is fun
Speaker 1: because you can connect with people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Taylor Swift is the monoculture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's monoculture, and I'm okay.
Speaker 3: It's a bear. There's barely a monoculture anymore. And if
Speaker 3: there is, it's Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Sorry I keep babbling. But it was also Lane's birthday
Speaker 1: this past week, and yeah, I sent him a text,
Speaker 1: and so I made him bracelets as well, like of
Speaker 1: his girlfriend's name is Cat's named Florida the bills. But
Speaker 1: I made some Seinfeld ones and I'll share them with you.
Speaker 1: Love it. One said the big Salad and it was
Speaker 1: obviously green and fun. One said the moops, the moops
Speaker 1: that's from Trivial Pursuit from the Bubble Boy episode. The
Speaker 1: answer was the moors boost the moops.
Speaker 4: A little upscare, a little scare.
Speaker 1: And then one that just said serenity now with like
Speaker 1: serene colors and like a smiley face. But it was
Speaker 1: it was really excite. I mean, I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: a little fat. All of a sudden, my brain broke
Speaker 1: open and I went, I can make people bracelets.
Speaker 5: Let's say anything, anything, it doesn't even have to be Yeah, truly,
Speaker 5: I've only been making tailor bracelets for months, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I went, well, I like other things too.
Speaker 1: Hold on, people have birthdays. I can really spin it around. Well, somebody,
Speaker 1: one of our listeners, gave me a ww OBD bracelet
Speaker 1: for one of our things, and I posted on my table,
Speaker 1: I'm holding it. I have bracelet. I have beads everywhere.
Speaker 3: But Rosie put it on as a headband and was
Speaker 3: wearing it over of July weekend.
Speaker 4: So I did post that on our Instagram and.
Speaker 1: The kids looks cute. The kids looks quintessential Fourth of July. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were being cute. They loved it.
Speaker 3: It was kind of Oscar's first year of him being
Speaker 3: able to like be away, stay up and like watch
Speaker 3: the fireworks and stuff. So they had a great time.
Speaker 3: We went to our friend's house and they have like
Speaker 3: older kids that are like seven and nine and their
Speaker 3: boys and like fireworks are illegal in La, which is
Speaker 3: lol because people are truly lighting them off, like out
Speaker 3: of like baby carriages. I mean, they're like going off
Speaker 3: crazy everywhere. But they were like, we went to all
Speaker 3: hombro because you can buy them in a hombro. So
Speaker 3: they bought like just the little ones that go off
Speaker 3: on the ground and like spin around and go crazy,
Speaker 3: and the kids were like dying.
Speaker 4: They were in heaven. They loved it so much.
Speaker 3: Also, I have to tell you I was sleeping in
Speaker 3: the other day because it was Jared's morning to wake
Speaker 3: up with the kids, and he showed them Beetlejuice without
Speaker 3: even though I had said I think it's too scary.
Speaker 1: Turns out I stand corrected. Rosie was not scared at all.
Speaker 3: She was pissed that it took so long for me
Speaker 3: Juice to show up on the screen, and she was
Speaker 3: annoyed he was not wearing a black and white striped
Speaker 3: suit the entire time.
Speaker 1: She was like, what he's not wearing? Me out? I really,
Speaker 1: I already texted you this, but I feel like Rosie's
Speaker 1: going to Beetlejuice for Halloween. Love it.
Speaker 4: I would love it. It's pants, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: He's so good.
Speaker 3: I can totally get her Beetlejuice. But here's what's crazy.
Speaker 3: First of all, we're in the car today talking and
Speaker 3: she mentioned something about Beetlejuice and Oscar goes remember when
Speaker 3: the sandworm is chasing Barbara, and I started laughing so hard.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember yes, I'm like Gena Davis.
Speaker 3: Like he he doesn't know who Geena Davis is.
Speaker 1: He knows who Barbara Maitland is from Beetlejuice. Well, you
Speaker 1: guys can be them when they turn scary. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a classic out high in costume with the eyes
Speaker 1: and the big mouth and stuff.
Speaker 3: And Rosie was like, whatever, the sandworms weren't scary. They
Speaker 3: were just like the snake in Jack Skellington. And I
Speaker 3: was like, actually, they're the same guy who made both movies. Like,
Speaker 3: she's she's seeing the threads between Tim Burton movies.
Speaker 1: She isn't an IMDb household and it's coming out. Yes
Speaker 1: for sure. Wow, She's yeah, she's gonna be She's gonna
Speaker 1: be winning cinematrix by the time she's like six.
Speaker 3: Family that we've been, we've been like total. We've been
Speaker 3: taking them to so many freaking movies because it's so hot.
Speaker 3: So we've taken them already to see Inside Out, to
Speaker 3: Garfield and we just saw Despicable Me four on this weekend,
Speaker 3: so we are and not in this weekend, but next weekend,
Speaker 3: Jared's taking them to Lelo and Stitch at the New
Speaker 3: Beverly I mean, we're we're all over the place here
Speaker 3: with movies, and they are they're gonna be cinophiles. Yeah,
Speaker 3: starting with Leelo and Stitch and Beetle Juice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so happy they like Beetle Juice. But I
Speaker 1: knew it because they like Halloween.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they loved Jumanji. That was another Lisa wreck. They
Speaker 3: watched Jumanji and Rosie was like, they were asking me
Speaker 3: so many questions about it afterwards, like when the boy
Speaker 3: turns into a monkey, why is he talking because he
Speaker 3: wasn't talking before. I'm like, I don't know, he just
Speaker 3: starts talking.
Speaker 1: But they were, Yeah, they we had a fun little
Speaker 1: fourth I mean a stampede. It's a fun movie. David
Speaker 1: Ellen Greer. I mean Robin Williams. I mean we talk
Speaker 1: about him all the time on the pod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, true, A true treasure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know how I'm addicted to trying
Speaker 1: to be a regular at my coffee shop. I did
Speaker 1: see one of the workers at Coney Island, but everyone
Speaker 1: was like, leave him alone, and so I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: But he noticed me too. The little shop was talking
Speaker 1: like they were like, he said, you were there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I knew it. And I got another free coffee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we both we both clocked each other. I mean I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I live, you know right here, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we see you here all the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's okay. So on fourth of July, I
Speaker 3: actually did escape my family for a couple of hours
Speaker 3: and I went to my our friend Nicole's house for
Speaker 3: a pool party that was no kids, and I was
Speaker 3: like happy to leave them at home.
Speaker 1: And she also doesn't just have like a regular house.
Speaker 1: It is like a gorgeously unique tiled skull. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: all like I've never I've only seen on the internet, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's her house is beautiful. But it was also
Speaker 3: nobody was really allowed in the house for the party.
Speaker 3: She had like the door shut and was like no inside,
Speaker 3: Like she had people in the poolhouse like to change
Speaker 3: and use the bathroom and stuff, but like no, I
Speaker 3: think she wanted to keep everybody outside. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 3: but like when I go over, she's very into showing
Speaker 3: off all of like because she's done a lot of
Speaker 3: cool renovations to it, so I know she likes to
Speaker 3: show it off, but I don't think she wanted to
Speaker 3: do for this. But one of so one of her
Speaker 3: friends is there and has like a sixteen year old.
Speaker 3: So I was like, tell me about being a mom
Speaker 3: of a sixteen year old. I'm just like interested in
Speaker 3: like teens and like what's going on. She's like, well,
Speaker 3: last night she came home and her phone was dead,
Speaker 3: so I did not know where she was. She came
Speaker 3: home at midnight and I could tell she'd been drinking,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: Like what did you do?
Speaker 3: And she basically she you know, she tries to be
Speaker 3: kind of like a stern but cool mom. She's like,
Speaker 3: my daughter has friends whose parents are like never around,
Speaker 3: and so they call me when they need help. So
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like stay that person that they'll call.
Speaker 3: And I'm like interesting, like, but she's also like, my
Speaker 3: daughter will tell me stuff and I'll be like that's unsafe,
Speaker 3: that's unsafe, and she'll be like, if I'm going to
Speaker 3: tell you stuff, you can't say that, like you can't
Speaker 3: be giving me all this feedback. And she's like okay,
Speaker 3: So she tries to just like listen, but they were
Speaker 3: telling me about fuck now, what are they called booze bombs?
Speaker 1: Boozball?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about. They're like busbos, buzzballs, buzzballs.
Speaker 1: I never heard of them. They're always like at the
Speaker 1: checkout of a Binnie's liquor depot or something.
Speaker 3: So I had never heard of these, And these are
Speaker 3: the hot things with the kids now because like, first
Speaker 3: of all.
Speaker 1: The flavors are wild.
Speaker 4: I mean, like she.
Speaker 3: Told me her daughter was drinking some kind of like
Speaker 3: you know, lemonade, cotton candy bullshit that's like made for
Speaker 3: like kids, but it's also like plastic, easy to like
Speaker 3: put in your backpack.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize they were.
Speaker 3: Also there's a market for those because of places like
Speaker 3: the Hollywood Bowl and places where you can't bring in
Speaker 3: glass but you want to like bring your booze.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then I saw they have these huge buzz balls
Speaker 3: now they're like the size of your head. I don't
Speaker 3: know if those are called like mega buzzballs or what
Speaker 3: the fuck?
Speaker 1: What are the biggies? They're called biggies, But what do
Speaker 1: you do with them if they're the size of your
Speaker 1: you just chug it product. I think you bring them
Speaker 1: to a party.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, but she was saying like she
Speaker 3: would pick up her like one of her friend's kids
Speaker 3: friends bags and be like this is pretty heavy, and
Speaker 3: then like I'll put it up and there'd be like
Speaker 3: a biggie buzz ball in there, like the huge and
Speaker 3: like I just am like really strapping in for teen
Speaker 3: years because it sounds like it's gonna be wild. But
Speaker 3: I had not heard of buzzballs, and so I had
Speaker 3: a long conversation in the pool with some girls about
Speaker 3: buzzballs and I don't know, should I be bringing buzzballs
Speaker 3: to my next concert?
Speaker 4: Like what let's try it for?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think sometimes these pre mixed cocktails,
Speaker 1: especially like this ball type situation too sweet, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want you gotta be care. I think you should
Speaker 1: try it before you invest and bring it to a concert.
Speaker 3: I also went to a party that was a book party,
Speaker 3: so there was like sponsored alcohol and I don't know
Speaker 3: the name it and I want to talk shit on it,
Speaker 3: but like it was like a cosmo in a can
Speaker 3: and it was truly disgusting. Like I was like, did
Speaker 3: anybody taste test this? Like this is horrible, and I
Speaker 3: like it wasn't even too sweet. It was just a
Speaker 3: bad taste, like I like sweet shit, you know, but
Speaker 3: it was well, but I think some people are getting
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 4: I like the way highnuons taste.
Speaker 1: I like, uh, but that's that's like there's a little
Speaker 1: seltzer to it, right.
Speaker 3: But high nuns are alcohol like, like white claws are
Speaker 3: malt liquor, I think, but high nuns actually have like
Speaker 3: tequila or vodka in them.
Speaker 1: Well, one we did. I did shoot my first day
Speaker 1: with Michelle again Survival of the Thickest. Yeah, season two.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was fun. It was like really fun. I
Speaker 1: just like I like feeling when I'm a working actress
Speaker 1: in New York. I love it. I love it, like
Speaker 1: one of our guests. But then I should have ca
Speaker 1: I knew I should have canceled. But I actually had
Speaker 1: a great time. But I had a bar show where
Speaker 1: my spot, like two shows in a row er, is
Speaker 1: eight thirty and eleven in this bar, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't belie I'm gonna be there all night. You know,
Speaker 1: we have work to do. But I actually did research
Speaker 1: on my phone in the back of a bar, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll do it again because it did
Speaker 1: depress me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say not exactly the right amp
Speaker 3: up fuel for getting on stage to be funny.
Speaker 4: No, people were like, are you working on your set.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I would say I'm a horrific murder
Speaker 1: a horrific murder article.
Speaker 3: But I literally brought my laptop to Rosie's gymnastics yesterday
Speaker 3: and was finishing some of my research and I was like,
Speaker 3: if we're all on Risers there, so I was like,
Speaker 3: the person behind me can easily see that. I have
Speaker 3: my split screen up and I'm watching an episode of
Speaker 3: SVU and researching a murderer like at the same time,
Speaker 3: and like I have the captions on for SVU and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, so it's SMM stuff. Oh a Little
Speaker 3: Dog and Pony show, like you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: it's just like they're not good.
Speaker 4: They're not good to be in a kid's gymnastics place.
Speaker 1: So I was there online, but I had a great
Speaker 1: chicken wrap I do like a tiki bar, and you
Speaker 1: know what it is, Like some of our listeners were there.
Speaker 1: Someone was wearing a Benson shirt, so shout out Tia.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're obviously a listener. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you're seeing me like this. But by the time I
Speaker 1: went up, there was maybe eight people people were off
Speaker 1: the street. I mean it was like a bar show
Speaker 1: where not everyone knows there's a bar show. Oh so,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just been a while and it was
Speaker 1: really a good time. But the second show, this maniac
Speaker 1: comes on. I've never seen him before. He kind of
Speaker 1: looks like the Roger Rabbit bad guy. I was a
Speaker 1: little bulgy, just a little weird, a little unhinged, just
Speaker 1: kind of jitter like, just unsettling, I would say, and
Speaker 1: it's not going well and the vibe is weird. Then
Speaker 1: it gets really sexual. He's you know, he likes glory
Speaker 1: holes whatever, but got it. Oh god, he brings out
Speaker 1: and it was like a statement. There was no joke,
Speaker 1: but he legit was just like I'm really into lactation porn.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I looked around the room, I
Speaker 1: don't see anyone's breasts are engorged right now, just like
Speaker 1: the craziest thing. I was in the back shocked. And
Speaker 1: then there was one woman she couldn't stop laughing because
Speaker 1: it was just the and everyone was like, no one
Speaker 1: knew what to do. Then he did a joke of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, guys, when you pretend to like pussy, but
Speaker 1: then you just want to get a toe in their mouth,
Speaker 1: but you have to pretend and then you can suck
Speaker 1: on a toe. And I was like, I went up
Speaker 1: at the end, I go, do you remember when we
Speaker 1: all witnessed that? And it was just this like cathartic
Speaker 1: moment because it was one of the crazier sets I'd
Speaker 1: seen in a Wow, it's really crazy when people just
Speaker 1: think they can get up and just say the weirdest
Speaker 1: things about themselves and that that that's.
Speaker 4: Just it for comedy.
Speaker 1: Oh well, my god, I'm so fucking annoyed. So there
Speaker 1: was someone that I hate going up and my friend
Speaker 1: had just gotten off stage and she killed killed. So
Speaker 1: she got off the stage, we chat, she has another spot.
Speaker 1: She runs around the corner. So this motherfucker, while she's
Speaker 1: not in the room, starts making fun of her but
Speaker 1: not in a fun way, and they're not friends, and
Speaker 1: this person sucks. So all of a sudden, he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: give it up for that lesbian. She's not gay, But also,
Speaker 1: what's the punchline? You know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me, and then he goes, ugh,
Speaker 1: you guys were clapping for thirty six in single what
Speaker 1: You Women? Are delusional. You're all past your prime. I
Speaker 1: don't know why you'd be clapping for that. That's why
Speaker 1: none of you are like in charge, you know, like
Speaker 1: and I'm in the back and you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: a rage. And so he gets off stage and in
Speaker 1: the corner, I go, yo, I think it's fucked what
Speaker 1: you said about my friend while she wasn't in the room.
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, we're friends. I go, oh, I
Speaker 1: text her everything you said. She doesn't like seem to
Speaker 1: like it, and he goes, We're just we're friends. And
Speaker 1: I go, well, I think it's fucked up what you
Speaker 1: just said. He leaves. Servers come up to me and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, fuck that guy, thanks for saying that.
Speaker 1: That was bullshit. You know she killed?
Speaker 4: I go, of course, she fucking killed.
Speaker 1: Then I wake up the next morning to a screenshot
Speaker 1: of a message he sent her going, hey, I just
Speaker 1: got yelled at on your behalf.
Speaker 4: I did not yell. I was in the showroom.
Speaker 1: If I had yelled, I would have interrupted the show,
Speaker 1: he goes, and then he writes, in front of a
Speaker 1: large group of people, I go, I couldn't have done
Speaker 1: it more respectfully. You got off stage. I didn't even
Speaker 1: talk shit about it. I went right to your face
Speaker 1: and said what you said was fucked up.
Speaker 3: He's also calling a girl who's not a lesbian a lesbian,
Speaker 3: like he obviously has no grasp of reality.
Speaker 1: Like now he's like an alt right maniac, you know,
Speaker 1: like no one likes him, Like most of the servers
Speaker 1: were coming up to me to be like, I hate him,
Speaker 1: but now I've written tons of new material just at
Speaker 1: the hope of me going after him again because if
Speaker 1: he just he doesn't know who the fuck he's fucking with, honestly,
Speaker 1: but also how dare you lie? And it was just
Speaker 1: like this is what men do. This is also like
Speaker 1: they record all our sets. So I wrote show or
Speaker 1: the tape. Yeah, roll the tape like the Unions, roll
Speaker 1: the tape the tape. Yeah, Let's see if you're piggy
Speaker 1: he called it piggybacking. I'm like, let's see if it's funny.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I love when people make fun of me, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing in the world. But I gotta
Speaker 1: like you, and you also can't be a hateful like
Speaker 1: right wing punk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be funny. It has to be funny,
Speaker 3: funny is funny? Yeah, what you just said, she's past her?
Speaker 3: Like she's true, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And it's like you obviously don't value women also, so
Speaker 1: like fuck you, but I can't wait to follow you again.
Speaker 1: Bro oh god, ill gross. But then what happens with
Speaker 1: these people because this used to happen with this other
Speaker 1: comic that it was always there. Now he's successful, even
Speaker 1: though you know things are so unfair for her white men.
Speaker 1: But I then hate the audience because when the oh,
Speaker 1: because while he's talking about her and doing all that
Speaker 1: and how women should like get married and like you're
Speaker 1: past your prime and you're desperate and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: a man straight up yelled out yeah brother, oh like
Speaker 1: people were clapping like suddenly, the like all right energy,
Speaker 1: you know the pockets that are usually a shape, people.
Speaker 4: Were like clapping like amen.
Speaker 1: And so it's like if it was your friend, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, actually no, no, no, I actually hate you.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, you want that you did it
Speaker 1: on purpose. And I was in the fucking room. I
Speaker 1: usually leave when you go up because I hate you
Speaker 1: so much. Oh my god, wait for you to tell
Speaker 1: me who this is off? Mic. But Anyways, I was
Speaker 1: just so mad that I saw that message. I got
Speaker 1: yelled at. It's like, honey, please, you are not yelled at.
Speaker 1: You want to, You'll know what you're gonna yelled at.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it makes me hate the audience. So then
Speaker 1: I have to like hyde myself down to be like,
Speaker 1: just do your set. Don't remember that, Like, yeah, because
Speaker 1: when I go up angry, it's not fun. It was
Speaker 1: one guy. It was one guy, like because when I
Speaker 1: go up angry, it's like not as much fun totally.
Speaker 1: But I then hate the crowd because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you fucking losers. Yeah, yeah, ooh ooh, I know, god gross.
Speaker 1: Wait we did have well, I mean Orfe and Andy
Speaker 1: Carl broke up. He did her dirty. He's been on
Speaker 1: the podcast, She's been on the podcast shots.
Speaker 3: This is okay, this is worse, and this is like
Speaker 3: eight months old. Yeah, we're pivoting to a gossip corner now.
Speaker 3: But we realized we never talked about this on the podcast.
Speaker 3: A few of you have messaged us. I actually heard
Speaker 3: about this on who Weekly the other podcasts that I
Speaker 3: that I listened to, because I had I had seen
Speaker 3: the message that went up where he posted to his
Speaker 3: Instagram saying like like, respect our privacy while we go
Speaker 3: through this time and blah blah blah. So Andy writes
Speaker 3: this thing and I'm like, oh no, they broke up.
Speaker 3: That's so terribly Like we interviewed them both like last year.
Speaker 3: They are they seem so in love, Like whatever's that's upsetting?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: We love this so together for decade two days, right, decades?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like singing together, this and that. So I don't
Speaker 3: think anything of it. But I did go to her
Speaker 3: page and see that she had not posted anything, and
Speaker 3: I was like, interesting.
Speaker 1: Then I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 3: Then I listened to this WHO Weekly episode where they
Speaker 3: talked about how what happened was he apparently went over
Speaker 3: to Australia to do Groundhog Day the musical, and he
Speaker 3: was there for like a long time, fell in love
Speaker 3: with his co star, then had her or fe come
Speaker 3: all the way out to Australia were allegedly and this
Speaker 3: is all alleged. I really like both of them and
Speaker 3: don't want to, you know, get them mad at me
Speaker 3: or whatever. But I'm just saying what I heard on
Speaker 3: this thing that he like kind of they had this
Speaker 3: nice little time where he paraded around Australia. This is
Speaker 3: my wife, is my wife, and then like right before
Speaker 3: she left to come back to the States, he ended
Speaker 3: their marriage and was like I'm dating my co star
Speaker 3: or whatever, which is like so fucking crazy, And then
Speaker 3: I think he posted that thing without asking her. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, baby Dods, We're not happy. We're not
Speaker 3: happy with that kind of treatment of our girl Orfe here.
Speaker 4: I'm so can you not be so cliche?
Speaker 1: I know, it's like crazy, I don't know, and the
Speaker 1: whole parade, because then if you were like, listen, I
Speaker 1: fucked up, don't come visit. I am cheating on you.
Speaker 1: That's one thing to pretend all is good and then
Speaker 1: it switches. That's a psychopath. Sorry.
Speaker 3: And also why did they not put Orfe on Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of New York, Like this would have been a
Speaker 3: great storyline, you know, or it would be great on
Speaker 3: the Real house She was telling us that she was like,
Speaker 3: you know, interviewing for it or whatever. But Share is
Speaker 3: her godmother. I'm sure that she will. They're hanging onward
Speaker 3: and upward, they're hanging out. I'm sure like or Fe
Speaker 3: will be you know, bopping around Broadway more and I
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish her the best. Wait, one other
Speaker 3: thing I was gonna say, I posted this. This is
Speaker 3: the last thing, and then we're really gonna start. I
Speaker 3: posted this on our Instagram over the weekend. But Stephanie
Speaker 3: March did this little I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 3: but Stephanie March did this little interview with People magazine
Speaker 3: about like turning fifty and like how you know, like
Speaker 3: what she's focusing on in her life and stuff, and
Speaker 3: how you know for fifty she's gonna do some fabulous
Speaker 3: travel thing. And Stephanie March, I mean, we had her
Speaker 3: on the podcast We love her. She seems like she's
Speaker 3: living her best life.
Speaker 1: But she had this.
Speaker 3: Story about how one time on the set of SVU,
Speaker 3: her and Judith Light had a conversation about being child
Speaker 3: free by choice, and Judith Light was like.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something about people that don't have kids.
Speaker 3: We're fine, like and they had this like there's this
Speaker 3: great quote in it where she's like, Judith Light is
Speaker 3: the one that told me that I would have like
Speaker 3: a great fulfilling life without kids. And I was like, hell, yes,
Speaker 3: I love imagining that conbo of like Judge Donnelly and
Speaker 3: Cabot just chatting about how they're gonna be fucking boss bitches.
Speaker 4: And not have kids.
Speaker 1: I have kids.
Speaker 3: Look, I love my choice to have kids. Kids are wonderful.
Speaker 3: Just not doesn't have to be everybody's choice. And I
Speaker 3: think these two women are examples of two women having
Speaker 3: an amazing life without kids.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's you know, the thought of Judith Light
Speaker 1: and the thought of them just hanging outch.
Speaker 4: Hanging out chatting.
Speaker 1: I thought, like I always am assuming the words I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna be like. And then Dan Flora
Speaker 1: came up to them and be like, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: have a baby. JK, he's child free as well.
Speaker 3: Like Dan Flora walks up and goes, I'm really into
Speaker 3: lectation Born No, no, we gotta stop this, we gotta
Speaker 3: stop rock.
Speaker 1: I don't even think SVU has tackled lactation. No, the
Speaker 1: only show I.
Speaker 4: Know that he was like, he was graphic.
Speaker 1: He goes, I just wanted to squirt it in my
Speaker 1: mouth and we were all just like jaws on the floor.
Speaker 3: American Horror Story is the only show I know that
Speaker 3: is fucked with that. And that's because they fuck with anything,
Speaker 3: all right. Casey's seriously about to wave a thirty flag
Speaker 3: at us. We've got to start, but okay, we're starting.
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Speaker 4: But let's get started. This episode is iconic.
Speaker 1: All right, Lucky ducks. We are doing Shadow season eleven,
Speaker 1: episode twelve, so that's pretty thrilling. And we were just
Speaker 1: talking that this is camp. This is the most one
Speaker 1: of the like you would think the one with the
Speaker 1: monkey out of the basketball is crazy. Honestly, that seems
Speaker 1: more realistic than what is the The silly.
Speaker 3: Way this one rolls out is hilarious to me, Like
Speaker 3: there are so I mean, I can't wait for us
Speaker 3: to get into it.
Speaker 1: It's the funniest episode.
Speaker 3: But what I love is that I think I've maybe
Speaker 3: only seen it twice, so I was forgetting a lot
Speaker 3: of details like I remember Navin Andrews coming in, I
Speaker 3: remember like the basic plot, but I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what Like I just remember, like I love
Speaker 3: when I see an old one like that I haven't
Speaker 3: seen and it kind of feels new to me again.
Speaker 1: But also like she is a good actress and it
Speaker 1: is like, what are you doing like this? Yeah, people
Speaker 1: for the Camp Red Carpet should have worn a TV
Speaker 1: with this episode playing and they would have gotten on
Speaker 1: my best dress list for sure.
Speaker 3: Wait now, I really want to know now that you
Speaker 3: say that, I really want to know where this fell
Speaker 3: in Sarah Paulson's career, Like it's twenty ten. She wasn't
Speaker 3: doing twelve years a slave and then going right to
Speaker 3: SVU right, Like there's there's no way, right, Okay, let's
Speaker 3: see twenty So.
Speaker 1: The Vulture game it's every day now weekends too. Ooh,
Speaker 1: I guess something yesterday that had zero percent? Zero percent
Speaker 1: was how many other people guessed it? That's amazing? How
Speaker 1: is that? Like they're like, you're the only one, You're
Speaker 1: the only person. I think I was because it's in
Speaker 1: pyramid and you do get lower percents than that first
Speaker 1: drove pyramids. But I guess the movie Andre, did you
Speaker 1: watch that in the nineties, The Girl with a Little
Speaker 1: Seal with the Seal? Yeah, So I don't know why
Speaker 1: more people didn't guess it. It's so funny.
Speaker 3: You just have like these classics from like Cable and
Speaker 3: stuff that we but able.
Speaker 1: I saw in the movie Theater my brother I got Swizzlers.
Speaker 1: It was a huge moment in my life.
Speaker 3: Well, she, Sarah Paulsen, was like mostly a TV girly
Speaker 3: at this point. I would say like she was in
Speaker 3: desk stylish is yes, true, but she was in like
Speaker 3: twelve Years of Slave Carol, like Oceans eight, you know,
Speaker 3: like she started becoming like more of like a lot
Speaker 3: of Oh my god, she was in the Goldfinch. I
Speaker 3: read that book and never saw the movie. Anyway, My
Speaker 3: point is I could see why she did like this
Speaker 3: episode she did a graze the same year, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, or she plays why does this
Speaker 3: say she? Oh, she plays a young doctor Ellis Gray.
Speaker 3: I think she's Kate Burton young. Right, I'm not a
Speaker 3: Gray girl me neither. Anyway, you'll all write us, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but go on start your recap. I'm just like interested
Speaker 3: in where the spell and Sarah.
Speaker 1: Also, since I did just say lucky duck, I do
Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out that I did
Speaker 1: see a family of geese and I'd never seen baby
Speaker 1: geese before, so it was like five of five babies
Speaker 1: and two parents, and it was really cute. They're gray
Speaker 1: and fuzzy, and I understand why they're so protective of
Speaker 1: they're young, because the.
Speaker 4: Classic American family. I love it.
Speaker 1: I don normative vibes.
Speaker 4: And this starts out normal too.
Speaker 1: A butler kind of man walks into a home with
Speaker 1: an eggshell yellow wall. I would say color just very
Speaker 1: I liked it. I really liked it. And so then
Speaker 1: there's fresh flowers. We could tell this is an affluent situation.
Speaker 1: The guy yells out for mister and missus Gillette, and
Speaker 1: then he goes its, Hey, it's Mike. You know, do
Speaker 1: you want me to load the luggage? So maybe it's
Speaker 1: a driver or a jack of all trades. And I
Speaker 1: don't know why I get so specific about like people's
Speaker 1: jobs sometimes, but it is an illness I have throughout
Speaker 1: this podcast. So then he's yelling about traffic. A dog
Speaker 1: runs down. He's excited to pet this little cutie, but
Speaker 1: the Qt then is covered in blood. So the man
Speaker 1: now understands something's going on. He slowly opens the bedroom
Speaker 1: door upstairs, and Mike is like, Hey, it's Mike, It's Mike.
Speaker 1: He flips on the light. So much blood I would
Speaker 1: say the most blood I've ever seen on the show.
Speaker 1: Dexter Morgan all over this place like splatter, right, it's spatter, splatter,
Speaker 1: what's the right one? We got? School? I don't know
Speaker 1: what the difference is between the ladder. We knew for
Speaker 1: a while, Caro, we knew for a while, and it
Speaker 1: just left us, but we did know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, spatter is for a liquid that is scattered
Speaker 3: in small drops, while the ladder is used for a
Speaker 3: liquid that is sprayed in large amounts or in a random,
Speaker 3: careless manner.
Speaker 1: Okay, those both sounds similar, Like there's big splashes and
Speaker 1: little so there's splatter and splatter of book okay, yes,
Speaker 1: while ceiling, bedding or outfit. I mean, it's a dead
Speaker 1: couple and we're at an active crime scene, so an
Speaker 1: unknown tech, Ben and Benson and Stabler are there, and
Speaker 1: it's an initial vibe is murder suicide and and the
Speaker 1: did you not think it was wild?
Speaker 3: That the guy pulled back the If that was you,
Speaker 3: if you walked into a bedroom and you saw a
Speaker 3: comforter over something lumpy and blood truly coating the walls,
Speaker 3: I don't think I would touch the comforter.
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to open it. It might
Speaker 1: be one of those situations where you lose control, you know,
Speaker 1: like where you just have to look or something. And
Speaker 1: I guess because if somebody was alive there would you
Speaker 1: would see movement of breathing, or you would hear whimpering
Speaker 1: or something. It's like, just I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of wild. The chauffeur was like, hello, like,
Speaker 1: but yeahbe it could have been one of them the
Speaker 1: other maybe that one of them could have been like ugh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is interesting. But whatever the blood,
Speaker 1: you know, consistent with the story of a murder suicide situation.
Speaker 1: They find a hatchet by the fireplace and then a
Speaker 1: gun on the.
Speaker 4: Bed by his hand.
Speaker 1: Benson was like, jam, why would he turn his wife
Speaker 1: into chopped liver? Which now I'm craving honestly, Okay, sorry
Speaker 1: about that cough. Well, honestly I had that cought a
Speaker 1: FedEx and I the guy went, oh, summer cold. I go, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's a cough that won't leave. I I smoke too
Speaker 1: much weed. I go, I'm just gonna have a coff
Speaker 1: with the rest of my life. He goes, oh nice,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna comp your envelope since you like weed. Oh nice?
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? What a day?
Speaker 4: It's like Lisa I like, it's like Lisa Trager's neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Like you're just coming around getting a boba, getting free envelopes,
Speaker 1: talking about weed with the post office.
Speaker 4: It's a fun that's a better cartoon.
Speaker 1: But anyways, okay, So Elliott goes, h oh. So Benson's like,
Speaker 1: why would you turn this wife into Choppliver And Elliott goes, ah, well,
Speaker 1: you haven't been married a get a life Elliott, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and and your wife is a saint. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like you want to kill Kathy. She's not staying
Speaker 3: home enough raising your five children.
Speaker 1: And it seems like she's hot for you. It seems
Speaker 1: like they do have romantic scenes. She's taking care of
Speaker 1: all your kids, she doesn't care when you come home,
Speaker 1: like what do you want? It is just kind of
Speaker 1: like cheesy, old like people making fun of marriage kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You know, Well, for sure, I just think
Speaker 1: he's kind of in a great situation. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then we hear a miss you can't go in
Speaker 1: here screamed off camera, but in runs in Sarah Paulson, okay, bitch, hi,
Speaker 1: And so she's crying at their bed and drops to
Speaker 1: her knees. What happened? What happened? Benson pulls her up
Speaker 1: to her feet. Sadler thinks, we think the dad murdered
Speaker 1: the mom and then took his own life. And you know,
Speaker 1: but maybe we should investigate. For more than five seconds,
Speaker 1: Benson pushes a blonde Sarah Paulsen out of the room.
Speaker 1: She twists back and says, oh, mother, why would he
Speaker 1: do this to you? End credits. So and her accent
Speaker 1: is rich person accent, like she's not British, but she's
Speaker 1: not talking like you and I. There's a prep school
Speaker 1: vibe to her enunciation. Yes, I just feel like once
Speaker 1: she played I didn't even watch this season, but once
Speaker 1: she played a two headed person in the Carnival a thing,
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess you're really talented, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? If you're playing attached twins all day on,
Speaker 1: like okay, girl, get it, get that bag.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's kind of wild to me.
Speaker 1: So we're back, We're in the work hallway and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: why did you duck out of the Geleste early? Warner
Speaker 1: said you were gone by the time she got there. Okay,
Speaker 1: playing hooky, but they said they needed to take the
Speaker 1: daughter home. She was a mess, and so they didn't
Speaker 1: really get anything out of her though. So Craigan says
Speaker 1: that Warner threw away the murder suicide theory. They look
Speaker 1: shocked as hell, even though they were on the scene
Speaker 1: for less than a minute. Like, I come on, guys,
Speaker 1: like you yelled at Stucky about this and now you're
Speaker 1: being Stucky.
Speaker 4: I just I don't like when they go against type.
Speaker 1: There's just like little moments where suddenly Benson goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know, she feels like she's lying to me, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben's he would not do that. Like, I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like they would do this kind of
Speaker 1: bad detective work. JK. They always jump to conclusions. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the gunshot wound to Daddy Warbucks. Craigan says that
Speaker 1: So was inconsistent with self infliction because no gun residue
Speaker 1: on the hand, So double homicide. And they better do
Speaker 1: good because these rich people are connected as hell. They're
Speaker 1: cop lovers, like every rich person on SVU. They bribe
Speaker 1: the mayor and the commissioners on speed dial.
Speaker 4: But like, are they committing that much crime any this way?
Speaker 1: Like why on speed or just rich people give to
Speaker 1: cops because they are succession vibes murdering people? What is up?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a great quest.
Speaker 3: I mean, you definitely do it so that in case
Speaker 3: anything ever happens, you've got them in your pocket.
Speaker 4: I would say that the true crime that.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about is gonna maybe illuminate a
Speaker 3: little bit of that.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm really excited about that. So and a lot
Speaker 1: of political pals.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So then Benson goes, okay, but this isn't a DV
Speaker 1: case anymore, So give it to homicide piece bitch, and
Speaker 1: he goes, nope, they are special victims. And Stabler's like
Speaker 1: what because they're rich and connected, And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so go do it. So I like that even the
Speaker 1: higher ups know that these are an elite form of detectives.
Speaker 1: You know, So craign sends the duel back to the
Speaker 1: house to check it out with fresh eyes.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the glass whatever.
Speaker 1: So basically we see that one pane of the glass
Speaker 1: was cut out of the home and it's easy to
Speaker 1: put your arm in, reach around and open the thing.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's being kind of shitty, like, oh and you
Speaker 1: missed this. He's like, yeah, we were in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: You guys are the ones who jumped to conclusions. So
Speaker 1: then the detectives are also like, well, how did it
Speaker 1: not trip the alarm? The unknown text says individual pains
Speaker 1: aren't wired, but because they wanted it to look cute,
Speaker 1: so it is going to be less safe, and Sablers
Speaker 1: are like a high heel and Stabler's like yeah, but still,
Speaker 1: what about when the window was open, like it should
Speaker 1: have done the alarm? So the text way ahead of
Speaker 1: them and checked with the security company, and the records
Speaker 1: show that the Gillettes usually set it around eleven, right
Speaker 1: before they go to bed, and the system wasn't armed
Speaker 1: last night because their time of death is ten right
Speaker 1: before ten pm, right before the alarm gets set, which
Speaker 1: means this person knew they're a routine done done.
Speaker 4: That is good police works.
Speaker 1: So then it's like, well, this is a hack job
Speaker 1: and a blowjob, so I mean a hack and blow
Speaker 1: is what I wrote, But then I felt weird saying
Speaker 1: that too. But there's okay, so there's guns and hacks
Speaker 1: and so so it's serious violent, So this can't be
Speaker 1: some straight I mean, it could be a stranger, but
Speaker 1: it seems like there's some passion behind the murder. So
Speaker 1: they go talk to the daughter, Sarah Paulson, and she
Speaker 1: is shocked that her dad didn't do it. She's like, what,
Speaker 1: and then Stablers apologizes that they ever suggested it, and
Speaker 1: she's just relieved. She has a fresh blowout. There's nice flowers,
Speaker 1: her balcony view is stunning. So she's like, it made
Speaker 1: no sense that daddy would do something so terrible, and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, okay, who would And she starts to cry
Speaker 1: and says she doesn't know anyone who'd want to hurt
Speaker 1: her parents. They were patrons of the arts, they gave
Speaker 1: millions to charity, and they shouldn't even have even been there.
Speaker 1: They were actually supposed to be in Florida, but her
Speaker 1: mom had the flu. So the daughter is the one
Speaker 1: who suggested like, you should stay one more day before
Speaker 1: going and rest up. Benson goes, who else knows they
Speaker 1: go on vacation? She goes, I mean everybody, that's what
Speaker 1: they do. They have their little house in Santa Belle
Speaker 1: Island and right after Christmas until Easter they go there.
Speaker 4: I want that life. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just to go to an island for four months,
Speaker 1: that's cool, amazing. Yeah, I guess that's what snowbirds is.
Speaker 1: It's not a new concept, but for some reason, I
Speaker 1: was like it hit me in this moment. And Santa
Speaker 1: bell is beautiful. It's really close to where I was
Speaker 1: going to the beach as a kid because my grandparents
Speaker 1: lived in Sarasota and the beaches are gorge white sand.
Speaker 1: So then the question as well, well, who knew they
Speaker 1: hadn't left yet, and she says me the staff and
Speaker 1: a few friends. And her makeup is smudged from all
Speaker 1: the tears, and she says, everyone loved my parents. It
Speaker 1: must have been a burglar. Sibla goes, oh, no way, girl,
Speaker 1: robbers grab stuff and leave. They don't set up murder suicide,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't do theater. Sailor goes, listen, this
Speaker 1: was personal. Sarah Paulson goes, oh my god, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that means the killer is after me too. They're like,
Speaker 1: why what are you talking about? She goes, So she
Speaker 1: was out shopping the other day and she had a
Speaker 1: strange sense someone was following her, and he would duck
Speaker 1: when she would look back, dark glasses, our care, but
Speaker 1: too far to get a good look. So now they're
Speaker 1: going to hit up all the stores and art galleries
Speaker 1: and spots she went to on Wednesday, and yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna see if they're gonna feel the feelings that she
Speaker 1: had felt. So they're at the gallery and there's another
Speaker 1: accent in this episode, air horn, and he says, Sarah
Speaker 1: Paulson has exquisite taste. She was there Monday and Wednesday.
Speaker 1: She was there buying and selling, and she sold them
Speaker 1: a roth Coo. Yeah, fucking right. This is insane because
Speaker 1: any place that would have Rothkos would not have what
Speaker 1: we see next, which is some woman artists on a
Speaker 1: ladder spilling giant blue of paint against the ground in
Speaker 1: a wall and like after the paint can fall. Stable goes,
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, and I just think that we have to
Speaker 1: show our art friend because this is comical. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about her. Yeah, because like the rock rothkos Our Museum,
Speaker 1: they're all at the Louis that ended in April. But
Speaker 1: like pieces that are worth tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 1: are not gonna be sold to this casual gallery where
Speaker 1: also are being dropped, also to.
Speaker 3: A place that doesn't have security camera like all like
Speaker 3: either's so I feel like there's so much security, like
Speaker 3: when it's a painting that expensive. But I also have
Speaker 3: to point out that the guy playing this Galerino is
Speaker 3: Nathan Lee Graham, who plays Todd in Zoolander, which is,
Speaker 3: to me and my family a very iconic role. And
Speaker 3: he's also in Theater Camp, a movie that you and
Speaker 3: I both enjoyed extensively, And he is so funny. He
Speaker 3: really cracks me up, and he like he's been working
Speaker 3: for I think it feels like a long time, like
Speaker 3: and he's been in.
Speaker 4: A lot of stuff, but he's really like kills me.
Speaker 1: Zoolander is pretty amazing. I did watch an embarrassing clip.
Speaker 1: I think this was from last summer, but it's Ben
Speaker 1: Stiller like talking at a tennis game and the tennis
Speaker 1: player legit turns around and goes, are you good at tennis?
Speaker 1: And Ben Stiller is like getting scolded in front of
Speaker 1: the whole fucking stadium by this tennis player who's like,
Speaker 1: then stop fucking Like he doesn't swear. He goes, then
Speaker 1: stop talking that I don't tell you how to act,
Speaker 1: do I. And it's just like Christine Taylor pretending she
Speaker 1: doesn't know who been. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: It's like it honestly so cringe.
Speaker 1: I don't know they were still together, but I make
Speaker 1: a break and then they got back together. Oh good.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Zulander was his first gig, and he's Todd.
Speaker 3: He's like Mugatu's like guy, and we would always be like,
Speaker 3: why is there phone in my latte?
Speaker 1: Todd? Like my family life?
Speaker 3: We like always talk about Todd like he's like one
Speaker 3: of the funniest characters in that because there's like also
Speaker 3: weirdly sexual tension between him and Mugatu.
Speaker 1: It's like so funny. Anyway, Wait, what a great first roll.
Speaker 1: I know, damn Zoolander. That is a classic, and I
Speaker 1: hope it's treated as such in the future. It Like
Speaker 1: I love it so much. It's goofy. Yeah, Ben stillards
Speaker 1: just started taking himself so seriously, like he used to
Speaker 1: be just so funny and silly.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean there's a freak gasoline fight accident
Speaker 3: in the movie.
Speaker 4: It's like everything is in Zulander is So.
Speaker 3: I mean that movie just hit me at a time
Speaker 3: where I was like, oh, this is like the funniest
Speaker 3: movie I've.
Speaker 1: Ever seen it. Like they used to make more wild
Speaker 1: parody type movies like that, and they just like don't anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, no, and now it's all about him being
Speaker 1: Walter Schmidt taking a world adventure a lesson, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so annoying. Yeah, or what was the Greta Gerwig
Speaker 1: movie he was in Greenberg? Yeah that I hate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Noah Bumback's dumbass. Yeah, I have this old gross man.
Speaker 1: Get a hot, beautiful woman with personality, and you get
Speaker 1: to be a piece of shit with you know, negative Nancy.
Speaker 1: I just I really don't like that man, except for
Speaker 1: Francis Hot. Did he write that? I liked that? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he actually wrote complex Women wild, So that was
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't realize it was his movie.
Speaker 4: So we're still in the gallery.
Speaker 1: And thank you for the taught update I was just
Speaker 1: I knew that you were gonna mention him, so I
Speaker 1: didn't even look him up, like I just knew. But yes,
Speaker 1: as Kara mentioned, this place has no cameras because of privacy. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have a roth Co and you don't have a camera. Cool,
Speaker 1: So it all seems fishy. They go to the jewelry
Speaker 1: store and it cuts to the employee. They're going, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have fucking cameras.
Speaker 4: Smaller the better. Yeah, he goes, we have him everywhere.
Speaker 1: My brother runs security in the back and they ask
Speaker 1: about Angela and he smiles softly goes, oh, Annie, of course.
Speaker 1: Oh such a classy lady, very old school, and she
Speaker 1: loves to buy and wear ice and pay for it
Speaker 1: and cash and bought a watch on Wednesday. And they
Speaker 1: ask if they saw someone follow her, and he goes, actually, yes,
Speaker 1: this dark skinned person. And he gets upset and goes,
Speaker 1: don't tell me that Annie was mugged, and they go no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Mischellette is fine, but someone might have been tailing her,
Speaker 1: and that's why we would love some of your camera footage.
Speaker 1: And he's opposite of gallery, opposite of anyone we've actually
Speaker 1: ever seen on the show. He goes, I'll do you
Speaker 1: one better. I'll burn you a disc of all the footage.
Speaker 1: You could take it with you watch it at the
Speaker 1: comfort of your own office.
Speaker 4: So and they find him.
Speaker 1: It's Naveen Andrews from Lost, and I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: famous for dating Barbara Hershey for a really long time
Speaker 1: and it and both him and Sarah have said no
Speaker 1: to the podcast. So if you were hoping for a
Speaker 1: big surprise this episode that we did try, we did try.
Speaker 1: We did try. Yeah try. But also what's funny is
Speaker 1: they both are in relationships with like pretty or he's
Speaker 1: no longer with Barbara hers there in.
Speaker 4: May December relationship they have been or are currently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's more more of an illegal way to
Speaker 1: say it. They're legal these I would say extreme age gap.
Speaker 1: I thought May December he was a student and she was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was based on Mary Lever Laturno.
Speaker 3: Oh, well the movie made December, but the term May
Speaker 3: December is her. I didn't know that, and I've always
Speaker 3: thought of it as just a relationship with an age difference,
Speaker 3: but maybe it is.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. It was a saying yeah, look
Speaker 4: that up, look it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well aarp says that a May December romance is
Speaker 3: an age for an amoroist relationship between two people with
Speaker 3: a considerable it's a considerable age difference, which is I
Speaker 3: think that's part of why they called it May December,
Speaker 3: because it's like a May December romance is a normal thing.
Speaker 3: What this woman did was illegal, Like it's not legal.
Speaker 3: Calling it May December is like softening it, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's like, sure, maybe he consented after he was eighteen,
Speaker 3: but like, you know, yeah, what Mary Kay Turnard did
Speaker 3: and what people do when they are in relationships with
Speaker 3: children is hardly made December.
Speaker 1: But yes, So they're showing Annie the pictures and she confirms.
Speaker 1: She goes, yes, yes, I know him, and they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: he entered right after you left, thirty seconds after you
Speaker 1: would leave, Like this is it. And she's like, ah,
Speaker 1: so you followed me to my parents' house and killed them,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, yeah, but why would he target your family.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know. Maybe it's because my photo's
Speaker 1: in the paper a lot and men want my money.
Speaker 1: And then so Annie asks, well, how will you find him?
Speaker 1: And Stanbla goes, oh, well, we know where we he's
Speaker 1: going to be tomorrow. And he does a lot of
Speaker 1: eyebrow acting here and then he goes following you. So
Speaker 1: she's like, wow, you want to use me for bait. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll hire extra security. And they're like, well, no, that's
Speaker 1: going to spook your shadow. Okay, name title, take a hit,
Speaker 1: And so then she's appalled they would want to lure
Speaker 1: him out unprotected, and Benson and Stabler are like, will
Speaker 1: we be with you the whole time and we will
Speaker 1: snatch him. And so they're now casket shopping and she
Speaker 1: wants solid bronze handles and Stabler's acting like her driver,
Speaker 1: and Benson's acting like her sidekick friend slash assistant, and
Speaker 1: sabers like, he's not going to go in coffin shopping.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You can't really browse coffins.
Speaker 1: So I think it's usually by appointment only. I'll say
Speaker 1: that about coffin shopping. I think it's by appointment only. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: So you know, now they have to go to the floorist.
Speaker 1: So Annie opens the window a little she's sitting in
Speaker 1: her car already, and goes, Olivia, I have some calls
Speaker 1: I'd like you to make and Benson's like, damn, these
Speaker 1: outfits are so good that she forgot where cops. So
Speaker 1: Benson's annoyed that they haven't seen him all day and
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, whatever, we have one more stop. So they
Speaker 1: end up at the church and I thought they were
Speaker 1: going to the floorist, but they're at a church and
Speaker 1: they're talking, you know, about the funeral with the priest,
Speaker 1: and Benson's walking behind them and there's movement at three
Speaker 1: o'clock and he is so bad at this, like he
Speaker 1: must have wanted to be found, right, it's insane.
Speaker 3: It's it's an empty church and he's just like hanging
Speaker 3: out in the wings, like he's so obvious.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the.
Speaker 4: First moments where I was like, oh, this episode's insane.
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, he's pulling back the curtain like he
Speaker 1: is a cartoon wolf chasing like a little fox, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and like.
Speaker 4: It was so obvious.
Speaker 1: Oh, So Benson tries to act with this, you know, Annie,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, you look pale. Come with me,
Speaker 1: and she's like I'm fine, Olivia, don't be a fussy
Speaker 1: little bitch, like and then Stabler says, police freeze we
Speaker 1: got Ayaza on a vie and he stops and turns around.
Speaker 1: Annie els that's him, Benson and Yell's gun and they
Speaker 1: rush off, So Stabler goes to arrest him in a
Speaker 1: Vinga is really calm, hands up in the air, collected,
Speaker 1: and he's like, just check my pocket, you'll find somebody
Speaker 1: like and he's NYPD Special Frauds. Stabler makes him turn
Speaker 1: around and asks, why are you tailing Annie Gillette and
Speaker 1: he says because she's a killer, didn't you know?
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike drop so okay.
Speaker 3: But also special frauds is so funny, Like wait, what
Speaker 3: like special victims Unit? It's like they're special victims because
Speaker 3: like they're women and children.
Speaker 4: What are special frauds? Like, fraud is fraud.
Speaker 3: I think most fraud that anyone's going after is high level,
Speaker 3: fucking Gillette level fraud.
Speaker 1: So what are the special frauds?
Speaker 3: Just like sweet gentle little blondes are the special frauds?
Speaker 1: Like I'm such a silly title that they call it that,
Speaker 1: yeah and all theok yeah, well this his badge is silly.
Speaker 1: So Navin says he's been tailing her for two weeks
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, we know you got made by
Speaker 1: a woman who lunches, and he responds, yeah, who's been
Speaker 1: leading you and your partner in a wild goose chase?
Speaker 1: And Craigan off the phone, is like, hey, special Frauds
Speaker 1: doesn't know about this, and he goes, yeah, I'm off
Speaker 1: the books. He goes fur who and it's chief of detectives.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty impressive to Craigan and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you're running a shadow op, so another use of the
Speaker 1: word shadow. Yeah, and then but it also does make
Speaker 1: sense because her family's still connected with the cops. They
Speaker 1: would have to do it secretly, and he goes, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm doing what the mayor wants. So the mayor's in
Speaker 1: on this and is trying to turn against the Gillets,
Speaker 1: and he confirms like, yeah, her family could.
Speaker 4: Squash the case.
Speaker 1: It had to be hush hush, but they're going after
Speaker 1: her for embezzlement. Anne has very expensive taste. Her trust
Speaker 1: fund ran out, so she used her seat on the
Speaker 1: Prestwick Foundation board to supplement her income and still three
Speaker 1: point five million dollars, which doesn't seem like a lot
Speaker 1: for a rich person, even though that's a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I mean, that's not gonna last for
Speaker 1: too long, not if you have that kind of taste,
Speaker 1: not if you're selling rothkos. I don't not like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're up to. But is there a
Speaker 1: proof she killed her parents? He goes no, but when
Speaker 1: I show you my file, I think you'll be convinced.
Speaker 1: Craigan thinks embezzlement to murders stretch. So he's like really,
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, she's the sole heir to her
Speaker 1: parents fortune was just two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: Craigan is like, damn, well, that's a motive.
Speaker 1: And Benson comes in like a fool, like why aren't
Speaker 1: Why aren't you in cuffs? And they're like, oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: we should have filled you in and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's one of us. Okay, got it.
Speaker 4: So she's like, wow, we have a modern day Lizzie Borden.
Speaker 1: Cool. So they all go to Special Frauds together and
Speaker 1: then they go through a list of her failures and
Speaker 1: I love this. So she tried to be in Equestrian Girly,
Speaker 1: she failed. She opened an art gallery, it closed because
Speaker 1: she forgot to pay taxes for five years. Then it's
Speaker 1: a photo of her with a tall man in a
Speaker 1: Fedora style hat with shoulder lenks, slight curled like hair,
Speaker 1: Bob long Bob. I don't know why there's a photo
Speaker 1: of them together, but basically it's to indicate her next
Speaker 1: failure was interior design, and her interior design life led
Speaker 1: to six lawsuits. How badly did you design these homes? Jesus?
Speaker 4: So then Benson's like, why would the board let her in?
Speaker 1: Then? And He's like, well, her dad donated ten million dollars,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, okay, I got my daughter a job
Speaker 1: at Target.
Speaker 4: It costs me nothing.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I just can't imagine Kathleen wearing a
Speaker 1: red little polo, Like that's what's funny to me, Like,
Speaker 1: I just love that one of the daughters is working
Speaker 1: at Target, but I just would hate to wear khakis.
Speaker 1: I just I, oh god, khaki's in a red polo
Speaker 1: in my Target.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're wearing whatever they want on the
Speaker 3: bottom and they're just wearing the red up top.
Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, that is great, because a khaki is
Speaker 1: a hard look for a lot of people. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: if I could wear a khaki skirt, but then how
Speaker 1: are you bending down to fill up the shelves. You
Speaker 1: can't do that. So he's trying to like, you know,
Speaker 1: shame target or marine or whatever, or he's just talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm attacking Stabler so much, but
Speaker 1: basically the dude is like, yeah, and I bet your
Speaker 1: daughter's more qualified to be on the board than this bitch.
Speaker 1: She's been kicked out of three prep schools. She finally
Speaker 1: graduated from a girl's finishing school in Switzerland and flower arranging.
Speaker 1: I want to be that rich, I mean, but listen,
Speaker 1: I've known people like this.
Speaker 3: I've talked about it before, like having too much money
Speaker 3: causes failure to launch for a lot of people. She
Speaker 3: could have found something she was good at, but it
Speaker 3: might not have been something that was impressive enough for
Speaker 3: her parents or for her society life.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Getting sued so many times
Speaker 1: must look bad, but I learned from Hacks that's just
Speaker 1: what rich people do.
Speaker 3: Like rich people just sue each other for fun. Yeah
Speaker 3: I also suing your interior designer. What did I really
Speaker 3: want to know what she did to these six homes?
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's for another episode.
Speaker 1: Burned it down? Okay, So yeah, so Benson goes, oh,
Speaker 1: poor little rich girl can't cut it in the real world.
Speaker 1: But then she's smart enough to steal three point five
Speaker 1: million dollars. Like Benson doesn't like this double thing, and
Speaker 1: he goes, no, no, no, no, don't underestimate her. She is smart,
Speaker 1: she just doesn't like to play by the rules. So
Speaker 1: then they walk into a room with a lot of
Speaker 1: marker and papers on the wall, and he says that
Speaker 1: the record keeping at the foundation is awful.
Speaker 4: No computerized files.
Speaker 1: They just write checks to deserving organizations, and none of
Speaker 1: those organizations are actually real lol. So what she would
Speaker 1: do is start bank accounts with fake documents and then
Speaker 1: take the cash out after the checks cleared. And this
Speaker 1: was all found out when mister Prestwick of the Prestwick
Speaker 1: Foundation decided to visit one of the organizations and it
Speaker 1: was actually just.
Speaker 4: A pet shop.
Speaker 1: But it's so humiliating, and they wanted to keep this
Speaker 1: quiet so, you know, to not scare off future donors.
Speaker 4: And so they you know, through, rubbed it under the table.
Speaker 1: What is it? Through it under the table, swept it
Speaker 1: under the rug, wept it under the rug. That's how
Speaker 1: little I clean, Okay, And I'm anti rug. You know,
Speaker 1: I am glad I had a rug in that studio apartment,
Speaker 1: but I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4: I just don't think rugs are for me. I'm not
Speaker 4: a rug.
Speaker 1: I don't have I have one.
Speaker 3: I have like a rug in my kids room, and
Speaker 3: I don't have a rug in my bedroom. I don't
Speaker 3: like rugs that much. You deemed you were really pushing
Speaker 3: that rug on me.
Speaker 1: I thought, because and you were pushing a rug on
Speaker 1: me in this apartment.
Speaker 4: You know, why are you trying to pretend you're not
Speaker 4: a rug pusher?
Speaker 1: Is crazy?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think it's good in New York
Speaker 3: apartments or in your apartment because of people downstairs. I
Speaker 3: don't want people to be on your shit about you.
Speaker 3: Because of the lady you had in West Hollywood. You
Speaker 3: had wall to wall carpeting, and she was on your
Speaker 3: shit for being too loud.
Speaker 4: So I thought, like a rug in New York to
Speaker 4: absorb sound.
Speaker 1: But I'm alert. I have allergies, so when I see rugs,
Speaker 1: I just think of sneezing and dust mites. And so
Speaker 1: there's no bake IDs because the counsel are all opened
Speaker 1: by unmemorable white men. So she doesn't even go in there.
Speaker 1: There's no camera footage of her, so she sends in
Speaker 1: like some white old guy and then no one knows
Speaker 1: what's going on. SIDB goes, Okay, well, how do you
Speaker 1: know it's her if it's this dude's going in in
Speaker 1: the and he Navin says, the fraud didn't start until
Speaker 1: she joined the board, and right after the money was withdrawn,
Speaker 1: she would go on shopping spreeze. So you know, detectives
Speaker 1: start weaving tails. So they're like, yeah, she's out of money,
Speaker 1: but they you know, she went her parents for more
Speaker 1: money and they said no, and Avin goes, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a typical red collar crime. When white collar criminals
Speaker 1: are confronted, they can turn violent, and you know common
Speaker 1: targets are their parents. And so now Chief Muldrew, which
Speaker 1: I think we can call Mildew. That'll be funny, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, And we've never talked about this guy or looked
Speaker 3: him up, but we hate him and he's been in
Speaker 3: so many episodes we've talked about like he's just like
Speaker 3: he does look like a little old turtleman kind of.
Speaker 3: I called him a toad later on, Oh okay, he
Speaker 3: looks like a bullfrog, like a giant bullfrog and so,
Speaker 3: and that's how they treat it. And just like a
Speaker 3: bullfrog fell on your pizza, And so Mulgrew and mister
Speaker 3: Prestwick they're there together and he's being told to stop
Speaker 3: the investigation and the money has been replaced, and Press
Speaker 3: looks like, listen, a member heard about our issue and
Speaker 3: decided to cover our losses.
Speaker 1: And he wants, you know, all the files back and
Speaker 1: it's done and you're stop. So then the oldies walk
Speaker 1: away and Ramsey turns to Benson and Sibbur goes, fuck,
Speaker 1: that's six months of hard work going down the to toilet,
Speaker 1: and Mensa goes, well, nobody's shut down our case. Just
Speaker 1: come work with us, and he's like yeah, but if
Speaker 1: Mildew gets a sniff of your squad, you know, he'll visit.
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, no, no, we'll just question her
Speaker 1: as a victim.
Speaker 4: Hello, And they have a twinkle in their eye. They're excited.
Speaker 1: They like when they get to play a little game,
Speaker 1: and so they go, you know, she had a stalker
Speaker 1: and we did catch you, so let's go. So kut
Speaker 1: Sinavine looking menacing as hell in the glass tank and
Speaker 1: she's outside the glass, staring at him like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you for arresting him. And they're like, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, and we think he killed your parents, but
Speaker 1: we need to ask you some questions to help, and
Speaker 1: she goes of course. So she's really grossed out by
Speaker 1: the room though, and she's like, eh, broke vibes in here,
Speaker 1: and she offers a grant in honor of her parents' name,
Speaker 1: and Benson is like, oh, for sure, yes, but let's,
Speaker 1: you know, first convict the your parents killer to avoid
Speaker 1: any conflict of interest.
Speaker 4: And she goes, yes, yes, yes, of course I get that.
Speaker 1: And you are charging him for murder, right, and Benson
Speaker 1: goes yeah, but we need evidence, so you know, him
Speaker 1: just being at place as your doesn't that's not enough.
Speaker 1: She's upset there's no evidence, but Benson assures her it
Speaker 1: might take time, but they will convict the parents killer.
Speaker 1: She's like, ugh, but I want to get him now
Speaker 1: and Bensay's like, okay, well, you said that your parents
Speaker 1: never mentioned being followed or watched, Like are you sure
Speaker 1: if they didn't talk to you about it, is there
Speaker 1: someone in their lives they would have talked about being followed?
Speaker 1: And she says, yes, a business manager named Nate Hartman.
Speaker 1: He handles all family affairs. So Benson decides to go
Speaker 1: talk to you know, Nate. So she's like, well, let
Speaker 1: me call him first. He's a stickler for confidentiality, so
Speaker 1: let me speak to him tonight and then tomorrow you
Speaker 1: can reach out to him. L ol. Delulu. So she
Speaker 1: says she is tired, I wants to go home now,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like, great, I'll give you a ride home.
Speaker 1: So now the boys rush to Nate Hartman's house to
Speaker 1: get there before that she's able to call and get
Speaker 1: the story straight, and they know she's going to do that,
Speaker 1: so you know, he answers. He's like, oh, what's the emergency?
Speaker 1: And this guy is Dennis Bhutsakaris and he's in season
Speaker 1: one and sixteen SVU episodes as well, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's so familiar.
Speaker 3: But I like looked him up and was like, I
Speaker 3: don't really know what else I know him from, but yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's concerned with Anne's safety and wants her to
Speaker 1: be okay, and he has not spoken to her yet,
Speaker 1: but obviously is so worried about her after what happened
Speaker 1: with bertin Elaine and Annie told him that a robber
Speaker 1: murdered her parents, and of course he believes her when
Speaker 1: they're because they're like, oh, you just believed her, And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, why would I not believe her?
Speaker 4: But what is going on? Why are you here?
Speaker 1: Levin says, listen, she's about to call you and ask
Speaker 1: you to lie for her, and he says, no fucking way,
Speaker 1: she would never do that. He calls her a gentle
Speaker 1: soul and honest. Sabler is like, she has been robbing
Speaker 1: the foundation blind and you've been helping her. The phone
Speaker 1: rings and it's Anne, and he says, Nate, it's over.
Speaker 1: You're going to jail unless you answer that phone and
Speaker 1: do exactly what we say, And so he puts it
Speaker 1: on speaker and he slowly answers, and after eight rings,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it rings so much. So she tells
Speaker 1: him over the phone, the police know who killed my parents,
Speaker 1: but they don't have enough evidence to arrest him. So
Speaker 1: please say that you saw him following my parents describe
Speaker 1: him indian, well dressed, star hair menacing dangerous. Say that
Speaker 1: you saw him watching the house and that my parents
Speaker 1: told you about him, and that they saw him too,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh girl, I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I want justice for my parents.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to lie, but she's like do it.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, kisses, see you tomorrow at the funeral.
Speaker 1: And he asks, well, now what, and they say, you talk,
Speaker 1: we listen. So he's in cement room bars and he
Speaker 1: says he thought it was just like a tax dodge
Speaker 1: situation with the foundation, and like they found out.
Speaker 4: He says, I didn't know about the stealing. Navina is like, bro, you.
Speaker 1: Don't even have to convince me, Like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is convince a grand jury,
Speaker 1: the DA and the judge. So why'd you do it? Nate?
Speaker 1: And he says I loved her and I thought she
Speaker 1: loved me. And Stabler behind the glass is like, but
Speaker 1: in a fatherly, like uncle way, you think they're fucking.
Speaker 3: I think she's making it seem like they're an item.
Speaker 3: Like I think that she uses that to get guys
Speaker 3: to do things for her. You know, I don't think
Speaker 3: in an uncle way. I think in a romantic Wow. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's the impression I got. That's the impression I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, interesting, they're happy they have them for emvestlement.
Speaker 1: But you know, also that case was shut down six
Speaker 1: hours ago, so no one fucking cares and nobody has
Speaker 1: anything on Angelotte for murder, and Stabler starts acting up
Speaker 1: big baby style, and Craigan's just like, shut up and
Speaker 1: do your job. But they really want to go arrest
Speaker 1: her now before this investigation gets shut down as well,
Speaker 1: or she flies to some private island. Craigan takes a
Speaker 1: breath and goes, okay, fine, charge her with witness tampering
Speaker 1: and make a splash and won't be able to hush
Speaker 1: this up if it's on the front page. So now
Speaker 1: we're at the church funeral, like this is truly an
Speaker 1: episode of the Real Housewives. They're on their way to
Speaker 1: the gravesite post funeral. This is savage as hell, even
Speaker 1: for SVU, like what the fuck? And then behind her
Speaker 1: walks in the veenda cuff her and she's like, wait,
Speaker 1: you're a cop, and then they arrest her ass on
Speaker 1: the steps of her parents' funeral. Thoughts. I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: it's like when they walk in.
Speaker 3: They only arrest people while they're giving a huge presentation
Speaker 3: to their company or they're accepting an award, you know,
Speaker 3: like of course they're doing it on the funeral steps.
Speaker 1: It's like perfect.
Speaker 3: And then they get her stalker to go arrest her,
Speaker 3: like she's so they're playing mind games with this bitch,
Speaker 3: but they're also playing with the audience, and I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm here for this episode. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I just think it's too much. It's different than like,
Speaker 1: you know, a gala or a charity event. And then like,
Speaker 1: but I guess she killed them, so if she killed them,
Speaker 1: she doesn't give a fuck. You know, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. Okay, I'm back on their side. Thank you
Speaker 1: for help for leading me. So she calls Olivia a
Speaker 1: bitch and says you've set me up and she has
Speaker 1: not lawyered up yet. But Benson's like, well, so many
Speaker 1: of her friends saw her. Someone's gonna call a lawyer
Speaker 1: for her quick, and Craigan's like, okay, get in there
Speaker 1: before someone shows upd Wong is conveniently standing right behind
Speaker 1: Craigan waiting for his moment to shine and says she's
Speaker 1: a sociopath, so she'll want control. She says, fine, then
Speaker 1: I won't give her any MBD Wong's like, no, no, no, opposite,
Speaker 1: give it to her in spades, make her feel comfortable
Speaker 1: until she slips up.
Speaker 4: But uh oh.
Speaker 1: Old Mildew is screaming in the lobby desk area and
Speaker 1: Craigan sneaks Bence and through the side door. He's like, oh, go,
Speaker 1: go go, and he goes to confront the toad, and
Speaker 1: then the Toad does have a point. He's like, you
Speaker 1: arrested Annie at her parents funeral and he calls Benson
Speaker 1: and Stabler kid cops and Craigan goes, nope, they were
Speaker 1: obeying my orders standing up for his girl.
Speaker 4: Love that.
Speaker 1: Mildew Is like, I told you to stop, and Craigan goes, sure,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think that trump a double homicide and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, but you didn't even arrest her for murder,
Speaker 1: did you? Did you? And so this is a pretty
Speaker 1: good battle where they even you know, we're supposed to
Speaker 1: hate him, but they both have really good points. And
Speaker 1: Huang gets involved and says she is very dangerous and
Speaker 1: he says, what is that your clinical opinion? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you want me to use bigger words, fine, she's a
Speaker 1: psychopath with extremely violent and then before he can finish.
Speaker 1: Mildew goes, stop showing off, and it's like those weren't
Speaker 1: even big words. Yeah, extremely was the biggest word. Like
Speaker 1: it's he didn't even get, you know, Melinda Warner on
Speaker 1: his ass, So then maybe that's a is that merch?
Speaker 1: Get Melinda Warner on your ass? He then says, stop
Speaker 1: showing off. Okay, I already said that. So then Grunston says,
Speaker 1: if you bring her in for murder, I will have
Speaker 1: your back, but if you fail, I'm gonna let the
Speaker 1: crap roll downhill. And I really like that, saying he's
Speaker 1: a poet. So then Craigan goes, they better crack her
Speaker 1: or we're gonna have a lot of shoveling to do.
Speaker 1: I like that too, Okay, So I think your kids
Speaker 1: would like that kind of humor too, Yes, oh they
Speaker 1: certainly would. Why do kids love but so much? So hard?
Speaker 3: Now he's on it so hard. I go say hi
Speaker 3: to my mom on face daime. He goes, Hi, poop
Speaker 3: poop butt diarrhea, Like it's so insane, it's all they
Speaker 3: think about.
Speaker 1: Huge milestone. Though yesterday I sent Oscar to school in
Speaker 1: the same shorts and underwear that he came home in
Speaker 1: couldn't believe he didn't piss himself. Couldn't believe it. Wait,
Speaker 1: this is huge, yeah, huge. I went, are you wearing
Speaker 1: the same shorts? I say you school with? And he
Speaker 1: goes yeah, and I went like this, and he just
Speaker 1: gave me the biggest hug and he was like so
Speaker 1: proud of himself.
Speaker 4: It was, you know, tails of body training. It's the
Speaker 4: fucking nightmare.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So in your mind to these people
Speaker 3: own in your mind, to these people own a razor fortune,
Speaker 3: because like, that's what I keep thinking of when they
Speaker 3: keep talking about the Gillette.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking about the stadium. That's right, but I
Speaker 1: forgot and men's razors. You're right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: The mock three, baby, yes, the mock. I loved the
Speaker 1: close ups of the hair and the blade cutting it
Speaker 1: like what I did. Like that. Whoever has so many blades?
Speaker 1: The art and design for those Gillette rais her hair
Speaker 1: cutting videos.
Speaker 4: You have a fan for life.
Speaker 1: Sold it. The dream Team enter cement room bars and
Speaker 1: she goes, wow, three against one, you all hardly play
Speaker 1: fair and she goes, you two, no, get out of here.
Speaker 1: I want just him so Navin stays and Benson and
Speaker 1: Slabor leave and they're giving her the power that she wants.
Speaker 1: And Navin is in a men in black style suit
Speaker 1: and she reaches out her hand to shake hands and says,
Speaker 1: Angelette Ashok Ramsey. He responds and she goes, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: is your mother Sna Ramsey? And he says yes and
Speaker 1: sits down. She says, oh my god, you have her eyes.
Speaker 1: You know, I used to run into your mother all
Speaker 1: the time in London. Do you think she knew before
Speaker 1: he said her name his name, or she knew she
Speaker 1: recognized him? Like what is this? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: A wild fucking coincidence that this guy is from like
Speaker 3: high society enough that he recognized his mom would be
Speaker 3: Ramsey's a very common last name.
Speaker 1: Like it's just wild to be like, oh, is that
Speaker 1: your mother?
Speaker 3: Like, but I think they're painting him as somebody because
Speaker 3: he is really high, like he dresses really well, Like
Speaker 3: they point out that he dresses really well, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's got kind of a posh accent as well,
Speaker 3: and like I think it's just hilarious to be like
Speaker 3: the criminal being like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I used to chill with your mom in London.
Speaker 1: Like this episode just was cracking me up. And Sailor
Speaker 1: and Benson are confused behind the glass and they're like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: are you somebody? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then Pollie is like, you haven't spoken in six years?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 1: Oh? I for some reason, that's what I decided to
Speaker 1: call Sarah Pulson there, and I apologize.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know Sarah Poulson slash Annie slash Pollie is like,
Speaker 1: you haven't spoken in six years? Why not? And he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know over these calls are expensive, and she goes,
Speaker 1: you can afford it, babe, and he goes, why are
Speaker 1: you so interested in me? And she's like, well, because
Speaker 1: we're two of a kind to the prodigal children, and
Speaker 1: he goes, we are nothing alike. She goes, yeah, you
Speaker 1: came across the pond to escape your family, slumming it
Speaker 1: as a cop and pretending to be someone else. And
Speaker 1: she's like, I know all about you, darling, and soon
Speaker 1: you'll go back home. And he goes and kill my
Speaker 1: parents like you killed yours, and she chuckles and goes,
Speaker 1: I think that's projection and he's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: my parents dead, and she says, yes, you do. We
Speaker 1: all do. And I actually just saw a TikTok video
Speaker 1: so who knows how credible, but it was some sort
Speaker 1: of forensic psychologist or pathologist I don't know, but saying
Speaker 1: how psychopaths like three traits of psychopaths, and one is
Speaker 1: that they all think everyone is like them. So if
Speaker 1: they like if they're like, well, yeah everyone's a liar,
Speaker 1: you're a liar, and it's like no, no, you're a liar,
Speaker 1: and you just assume everyone's a liar. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: feel yeah. Yeah. So TikTok new what episode is about
Speaker 1: to do, and it like came right there. And she says,
Speaker 1: it's a terrible burden growing up rich. You know, give
Speaker 1: us too much, give us too little, but in the
Speaker 1: end there's all that money waiting when they're dead. WHOA,
Speaker 1: how is this not proof?
Speaker 3: Like she I mean it's not, but like it's a
Speaker 3: wild shit to say when you're trying to still play innocent. Yes,
Speaker 3: but her ego is too big, baby, he goes, and
Speaker 3: you were tired of waiting?
Speaker 1: She goes, sure, but just tired. And there are a
Speaker 1: ton of witnesses that will tell you, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: annoyed and complained, but whatever. And Ramsey says, I don't
Speaker 1: covet what my parents have. And she says, you're still
Speaker 1: living in that adolescent place, you reject their world and
Speaker 1: trying to prove you're your own man. But sooner or
Speaker 1: later they will lure you back in. Your mother is
Speaker 1: quite seductive. He gets up pissed and says you know nothing,
Speaker 1: and he starts to walk out. She yells, I know
Speaker 1: more than you think. He runs off, so Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler are like, oh, yeah, she's playing with her food
Speaker 1: and taking bites, so they like compare her kind of
Speaker 1: like to an Orca or something. And then Finn comes
Speaker 1: in to say her attorney is there and it's Yancey Winthrop,
Speaker 1: so you know he's expensive, and they're like, yep, your
Speaker 1: client's back there, go get her. He then wants a word,
Speaker 1: but Sailor cuts him off and he's like, save your speech.
Speaker 1: You have ten minutes before I take her to Central Booking.
Speaker 1: Navin comes out to apologize and Sailor is like, oh cool, dude,
Speaker 1: I hate this bitch too. Don't worry. He says, it's
Speaker 1: hardly worth booking her for two minor counts like this.
Speaker 1: She'll waltz out of all of this on a low bail,
Speaker 1: So like we have to try to get a felony charge.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot that this is about to happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then Nigel Prestwick goes against her and that's how
Speaker 1: we'll get her. And Sailor's like, well would he, and
Speaker 1: Novina goes, yeah, I mean he's a fifth generation wasp elite.
Speaker 1: In breeding has melted their brains. Wow, I like that.
Speaker 1: It's a good line. It's a good line. In breeding
Speaker 1: has melted their brains. So what is his flaws? Sabler wonders, Right,
Speaker 1: Navin has got all these answers. Nigel's really cheap, and
Speaker 1: he's actually been billing his personal expenses to the foundation,
Speaker 1: and some of those have been to paid dues at
Speaker 1: the Yale Club, the Century Club and the Dunna Dnaty
Speaker 1: say it, I can't, it's yeah society. And then that
Speaker 1: rings off some bells to Benson. She goes, Okay, So
Speaker 1: that means this little wasp is not as vanilla and
Speaker 1: boring as we think.
Speaker 4: Let's go talk to him. I have a plan.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they go to the Preswick Foundation and he
Speaker 1: gets aggressive right away with Benson and Benson's alone and
Speaker 1: he's like what And she's doing a really sexy act
Speaker 1: out and he's in pretty quickly and she goes, hey, Nigel,
Speaker 1: can I call you that? And she's like, I know
Speaker 1: that men have needs, but when a wife can't meet
Speaker 1: those needs, men have to look elsewhere. And he's he
Speaker 1: she is like the snake from Robin Hood, Like she
Speaker 1: got him, She got him in a swirl like.
Speaker 4: That, like just took a rabbit vibes immediately.
Speaker 1: Yet because to me, I'm like, why would Benson start
Speaker 1: bringing up that, like men need to be adventurous when
Speaker 1: their wives don't want to be Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It makes no sense, especially when this man,
Speaker 1: to me gives get very heavy gay vibes. But that's fine,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's neither here nor there. Yeah, like him
Speaker 1: and Tim Gunn would be at events together. Even Tim
Speaker 1: is cooler and better. I don't know why I said that,
Speaker 1: but like upper Crust gay, I saw that.
Speaker 3: Well, actually I googled this actor who is gay and
Speaker 3: he said, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I didn't come out.
Speaker 3: He said something like I didn't come out for a
Speaker 3: long time, but like it wasn't really necessary because in
Speaker 3: America for a long time, like anyone British was gay
Speaker 3: like that was just like any man that like talked
Speaker 3: with that accent. They were like, he's gay, you know,
Speaker 3: like that was just American bullshit stereotyping.
Speaker 1: But this man, this actor is actually gay.
Speaker 4: Oh great, I'm glad you did the research. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out where I knew him from, and
Speaker 3: I know him from some stuff.
Speaker 1: He's in stuff, but now I'm forgetting what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his name's Edward Hibbert, this guy who plays Prestwick,
Speaker 3: and he was he was in something where I go, oh,
Speaker 3: I bet Lisa saw him in that. Let me let
Speaker 3: me just really quickly look ye where I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I bet Lisa knows him from this? Oh well, interestingly
Speaker 3: I read about him that after. You know, Rowan Atkinson
Speaker 3: is the voice of Zazu in the Lion King. In
Speaker 3: anything that followed the original Lion King, like Lion Kid two,
Speaker 3: Lion King one and a half, he's.
Speaker 1: The voice of Zazu.
Speaker 3: This man, oh, he plays Maurice in First Wives Club.
Speaker 3: That's why I thought you might.
Speaker 4: Know him, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's Jazu.
Speaker 4: That's I mean, Mateo has jokes about how gay Zazu is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this guy like has been i mean seventy
Speaker 1: three credits.
Speaker 4: He's been working since the seventies.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so that it is wild.
Speaker 4: He just buckles, but we would all buckle to Benson,
Speaker 4: so I get it. But he's just like nodding his
Speaker 4: head up and down.
Speaker 1: And she says, but sometimes those needs are misunderstood, judged,
Speaker 1: and then he then she stands right up to him,
Speaker 1: stares him right in the eyes and says, get on
Speaker 1: your knees, worm a and his jaws on the floor,
Speaker 1: And he gets on his knees and she puts her
Speaker 1: high heeled boots up on an automnan and he starts
Speaker 1: licking her boots. And then Navi, Yeah, for the people
Speaker 1: that don't watch us, for you at all and just
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, like how shocked are you that
Speaker 1: this is happening?
Speaker 4: Like you have to go and watch this episode, just
Speaker 4: this part, like we cannot describe it enough.
Speaker 1: I feel it is so insane. Yeah, and then Navin
Speaker 1: runs in with a camera takes photos of the dude
Speaker 1: licking Benson's boots.
Speaker 3: This is the Rhyan like a TMZ bomb, Like it's
Speaker 3: so crazy. He just runs in and goes like it's
Speaker 3: like a cartoon. It is, but it's also like they're
Speaker 3: at SVU. They're against this, like you can't this is
Speaker 3: blackmail and bribery already, but it is also like kink
Speaker 3: shame abuse like sex abuse images right, like what I
Speaker 3: forgot what we call revenge porn and I think it's that,
Speaker 3: but because revenge porn is not good, yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 3: we've talked about this a lot, but it implies that
Speaker 3: you did something wrong because of the revenge, and then
Speaker 3: porn is too Sentingle does so it's not born. But yeah,
Speaker 3: just them doing this is so against the sv moral code.
Speaker 3: But Benson says get up, and he whimpers and he's
Speaker 3: like burn and he rises and Benson tells Navin, like,
Speaker 3: you owe me new boots and he wants the photo
Speaker 3: delete it and they say, only after you press charges
Speaker 3: on Angeleette for embezzlement cookie turn and he's like also.
Speaker 1: She does say that.
Speaker 3: He does say like I'll get you new pradas or something,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, are these Benson's Prada boots. Does
Speaker 3: the department pay for Prada boots like a weird Prada We.
Speaker 1: Find out later they are her boots. Yeah, because another
Speaker 1: item of clothing of hers kits. But this is the
Speaker 1: thing I think Benson. I mean, she works non stop.
Speaker 1: The ot must be overwhelming. Yeah, she earns in overtime,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't go out. She doesn't go to concerts,
Speaker 1: she doesn't take vacations, she does it do anything. She
Speaker 1: has a one bed, like I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I get that she's like, I'm just I'm gonna buy Prada.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she I think she probably bribes like pieces
Speaker 3: she has like nice a few like nice pieces, you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, because it's also at work, she has to
Speaker 1: look like shit most of the time, so I think,
Speaker 1: like when she's not working, she likes to slip on
Speaker 1: some luxury items. Yes, she looks like she's in Ann
Speaker 1: Taylor at most of the time at work, like a
Speaker 1: little purple sweater with a T shirt peeking out, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's not really spending a lot. I think on the.
Speaker 4: Work clothes, a bootleg black jean, you know.
Speaker 1: But it is something consistent and when we do talk
Speaker 1: to Marishco Hargatea. I think we have to remember this
Speaker 1: question because I want to be like, you know.
Speaker 4: She's always been a fashion queen.
Speaker 1: She knows how much all these expensive items, like how
Speaker 1: was that implemented with the character? Right? Curious and because
Speaker 1: we know you're interested in fashion, you know, so did
Speaker 1: you bring that to Olivia? Where it's like, listen, this
Speaker 1: bitch looks too rich. We can't pretend she's poor.
Speaker 3: She's always like going through racks of dead people going laperla, like,
Speaker 3: you know, like she knows all the brand.
Speaker 1: You know what. We're not even entertaining that we should,
Speaker 1: Like we always see her dates get fucked up, but
Speaker 1: like maybe she does get luxury goods from people that
Speaker 1: do want to fuck her. Me, you don't think the
Speaker 1: commissioners trying to fuck Benson. You don't think. You don't
Speaker 1: think people at the Galla are sending her Benson has
Speaker 1: a sugar daddy. I don't think one. I think I
Speaker 1: think people are courting her and she's like I'm a
Speaker 1: busy bee and they're like, here's a Prada boo. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, so it's interesting, oh okay,
Speaker 1: or I wonder if there are gay sugar daddies that
Speaker 1: just want to dress women up really nice and like
Speaker 1: have a little Barbie doll. I wonder if that's the
Speaker 1: rare thing of like, listen, you're cute, let me buy
Speaker 1: you nice things. I'm gay and rich. Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know what or is the whole point that
Speaker 1: you would get sex out of it after? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. Maybe for yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I really don't know. That's a great question.
Speaker 4: That'll be a cute thing to write into, like a
Speaker 4: movie or something.
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, he goes if I turn on her
Speaker 1: and like all the embezzlement and all of this, it's
Speaker 1: going to ruin the foundation. We will we will lose
Speaker 1: all respect. And Benson is like, well, you might lose
Speaker 1: your wife once she learns about your dirty little fetish.
Speaker 1: And then Benson is so smart and she's like, you
Speaker 1: think you're pretty clever there, huh. Naming your secret society
Speaker 1: after the Marquis de Sade, Donetti and Alfonse Francois, which
Speaker 1: is the name of the Marquis de Sade, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what is it? It was he a freak. He was
Speaker 1: a dirty freak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Marquis de Sade is like where all the
Speaker 3: sadism comes from?
Speaker 4: Like uh, like I didn't. I don't know if it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he had.
Speaker 3: He was like a French aristocrat, writer, political activists and
Speaker 3: nobleman and he has he wrote novels and then he
Speaker 3: was imprisoned for sex crimes, blasphemy and pornography. Like I
Speaker 3: think he was like a horny man from old French
Speaker 3: seventeen hundred's time, early eighteens.
Speaker 1: Navian goes, listen, save Anne or your skin, but you
Speaker 1: can't do both. Then Benson spills Morabans on how she
Speaker 1: busted two people from his little club before, and they
Speaker 1: have a lot of videos and evidence in lock up.
Speaker 1: Again for an SVU detective, this is insane jumping the
Speaker 1: shark fully. Benson goes, yeah, I remember a video where
Speaker 1: there was a Nazi role and then the old man
Speaker 1: screams enough, so I guess he's going to this club,
Speaker 1: going to be dasm rooms, dressing up like a Nazi
Speaker 1: and then getting pummeled. And there's videos and there's.
Speaker 4: Something in the true crime parts and I'll tell you
Speaker 4: about what.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just have to hurry up so or is
Speaker 1: it about Prince Harry? Okay, so so he'll do it
Speaker 1: and she says I thought so, and they walk out.
Speaker 1: Benson and Levine are doing a brisk walk outside chatting
Speaker 1: and they're getting gritty in case talk, and then he
Speaker 1: says something that impresses Olivia and she's like, wait, did
Speaker 1: you go to law school? And he says, London's School
Speaker 1: of Economics. So then he goes math puts order to chaos,
Speaker 1: and Benson knowingly smiles like police work, and then they
Speaker 1: nod at each other psychotic. So then they go to
Speaker 1: speak to someone that Navine knows that he runs into
Speaker 1: at the opera all the time, and she is the
Speaker 1: US She works at the US Attorney's office and maybe
Speaker 1: she can help with the case and make it go
Speaker 1: federal or something.
Speaker 4: So they find this hottie.
Speaker 1: They flank her on the busy streets of New York
Speaker 1: and she's like, listen, you came at the right time.
Speaker 1: I've been so busy post nine to eleven doing terrorism,
Speaker 1: but I have time for some parent money murders now.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why I.
Speaker 1: Did that accent. That's not what she sounded like. So
Speaker 1: they're like, please, help us finish this case. And she's listening,
Speaker 1: but once she hears it's Annie Gillette, she's like, no,
Speaker 1: her parents have given millions to politicians, and Benson screams
Speaker 1: her dead parents who she killed. I think she looks
Speaker 1: like Minnie Driver with no freckles an American. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you feel that way.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can see what you're saying. And I looked
Speaker 3: this woman up and bosh, Dexter. She was in like
Speaker 3: eleven episodes of Dexter.
Speaker 1: Whoa who'd she playing? Yeah? She played Sylvia Prado.
Speaker 4: Oh is she the one where the fire?
Speaker 1: Is? That?
Speaker 4: Where the fire was?
Speaker 1: I feel like she.
Speaker 3: Must have been a love interest or something because she
Speaker 3: was Her name was Sylvia Prado, so she couldn't have
Speaker 3: been somebody that was like quickly killed or what.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know she was in the Jimmy Schmidt episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was his wife. Yeah right, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's beautiful though she was. You're right. She had the
Speaker 1: look of somebody that I knew, And it is like
Speaker 1: a Mini Driver. She does look like Mini Driver. Wow. Cool,
Speaker 1: now that I look at more photos, it's just like
Speaker 1: the jawline, I guess but I can't believe she's dexter.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, cool, yeah. The actress's name is Valerie Crue.
Speaker 3: So there she is, uh, the freckless minie driver.
Speaker 1: Okay, so but she basically her thing is like, you
Speaker 1: cannot prove the murder, leave me the fuck alone, and
Speaker 1: Navin goes, we will please help us murders always on
Speaker 1: a state level, Like aren't you excited you'd be you know,
Speaker 1: it's a huge career move doing a federal murder case.
Speaker 1: She says, give me the files, I'll go to Rikers
Speaker 1: and like, let's let's get things going. So Navine gives
Speaker 1: her eyes like he looks her up and down when
Speaker 1: he walks away. He's smitten with her. So then Stabler
Speaker 1: goes to arrest Anne. She's flipping out like don't fucking
Speaker 1: touch me, and Sabler looks to her lawyer and goes,
Speaker 1: why don't you explain that this is how it works? Okay,
Speaker 1: And she's also floored that Nigel turned her back on him,
Speaker 1: so he arrests her and the lawyers like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll work on this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get you out as soon as I can.
Speaker 1: Please don't worry, and then she goes, oh, Detective, you
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm capable of, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I saw your mother's body. And she says, if you
Speaker 1: think I would do that to someone I love, what
Speaker 1: do you think I could to someone you love? Stabler
Speaker 1: pulls her out the door. Stabler walks into Craigan's office,
Speaker 1: asking if Live and Ash her back yet, and they
Speaker 1: are twenty minutes out, but he asks for them to
Speaker 1: take her to Rikers and he's going to take.
Speaker 4: A little lost time right now.
Speaker 1: And Cragan is confused and he's like, wait, what's up, dude,
Speaker 1: and Stabler responds it might be nothing, but she threatened
Speaker 1: my family and I don't like that. So Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: that is not nothing, Stabler, and I know you, and
Speaker 1: go take your family. And so he's going to take
Speaker 1: her to Kathy's sister's house in Jersey. And you know,
Speaker 1: Hank did say she was very dangerous, so let's act
Speaker 1: like that's the fucking truth. Benson is busy working late
Speaker 1: and making it perfect before giving it to the Feds,
Speaker 1: and he says, good because you're off the case, and
Speaker 1: she's like, what the fuck And he's like, you and
Speaker 1: your new buddy Ash are in trouble, and so they
Speaker 1: go to Ramsay's house. Benson is banging on the door
Speaker 1: and he won't let her in, and he confirms that
Speaker 1: he hears the Knox and finally he's like he's like,
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. So he opens the
Speaker 1: door and goes, don't you ever sleep and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't answer your phone, and behind Benson is a
Speaker 1: gaggle of swat team and he's like, what the fuck.
Speaker 1: She goes, Angelette took out a hit on us dun dune. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Navina has like a sick ass apartment. So even
Speaker 1: if he's just working as a cop like he's, he
Speaker 1: didn't run out of his trust fund.
Speaker 4: So nice opa plan.
Speaker 1: Lot of wood. He's bringing some mugs over to Benson
Speaker 1: and an informant at Riker's ratted her out. That's how
Speaker 1: they got the info. And now that sexy woman from
Speaker 1: earlier the department US Department, Federal Woman's Victoria, right, sexy woman.
Speaker 1: She walks out of the back of the apartment and
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's like thanks for the files and
Speaker 1: that duke.
Speaker 4: She says good night and runs off and ashes.
Speaker 3: And they have her shirt like a little bit untucked,
Speaker 3: like it's really it's very good.
Speaker 1: I love that they are fucking. And Ash's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't say it, don't say it. And Benson's like,
Speaker 1: I mean you could have kissed her good night? Like fuck.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, you know I didn't make her take
Speaker 1: the fire escape. So they have a little cute bantern.
Speaker 1: I bet they say friends like I think they have
Speaker 1: a vibe, like I feel like Benson and Navienn had
Speaker 1: some drinks after. Maybe they fucked too, Like I just
Speaker 1: I see there are people like them being friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like I bet he's like, don't go to the
Speaker 1: Bahamas again, come with me, take it to Saint Bart's
Speaker 1: in December. That's when the rich people go. That's a
Speaker 1: Jill Zarin reference and either here nor there. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that hit was it was going to say Barts in July. No,
Speaker 1: I's going to say Barts in July, basically, and in
Speaker 1: prison took a hit out for the both of them
Speaker 1: one hundred grand. And Murphy is offended or Ramsey, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I called him Murphy jesus, I'm doing.
Speaker 4: A bad job, okay.
Speaker 1: So Ramsey is so offended that it was only fifty
Speaker 1: grand each hit on them. So he's like, she's a
Speaker 1: psycho and you've only seen all her masks, but she
Speaker 1: will murder and do everything in her power to get away.
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, okay, I don't know if greedy equals psychopath,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 4: Know again, I don't know why she went in.
Speaker 1: She's a good cop. She reads people like I don't
Speaker 1: like when they do this to our peeps. So he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: some psychopaths and never commit a crime. You know, they've
Speaker 1: adapted their amorality to fit into society. And Benson goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like your friend's on Wall Street. And he goes, yes,
Speaker 1: who better to fire people and not care about people's
Speaker 1: pensions like psychopaths. And she goes sure, but they didn't
Speaker 1: break the law, and Benson goes, rape and embezzlement isn't
Speaker 1: the same. He goes, yeah, you're bad guys get eighteen
Speaker 1: years and my bad guys only get eighteen months. I
Speaker 1: want my bad guys to serve more embarrassing. This is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I don't think she wants to be friends with him anymore.
Speaker 1: So Benson is like, let's make sure she gets down
Speaker 1: for murder then so Craigan takes them all off the
Speaker 1: case and she's you know, connected and all of that,
Speaker 1: and he has to protect his people. Benson still begs
Speaker 1: to be the person to drive her from Rikers, and
Speaker 1: he goes, no, it's done. Stop. Benson pretends to go
Speaker 1: on Errand's and Stabler catches her and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: don't do this. She goes, I'm not gonna let this
Speaker 1: bitch scare me off. And he says, I shit my
Speaker 1: family off and she's like, they're civilians.
Speaker 4: I have a job to do. Stabla goes, what Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Put you up to this?
Speaker 4: And it's like, do you not know our girl?
Speaker 1: No, it was her idea, and Saba goes, well wait
Speaker 1: a minute, go fuck yourself leaving me out. I want
Speaker 1: to help too. So they bring him up and they're like,
Speaker 1: what so you're just gonna go out with SERGQ just
Speaker 1: cowboy it up. Then she goes, you have a problem
Speaker 1: with Ash. She goes no, but you're my partner and
Speaker 1: anyone should have your back, it's me. She says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got come on, let's go. So they all like
Speaker 1: they all head out to Rikers. So Sarah Paulson's walking
Speaker 1: out in orange jumpsuit and she's pretty flattered that she's
Speaker 1: going to be moved to federal facilities. And Naven and
Speaker 1: Benson are doing the switching. She's getting chained up, and
Speaker 1: she's being fully de Lulu. She's like, these women are
Speaker 1: trash and I hate orange. And you get blue jumpsuits
Speaker 1: in Federal, which is great. And so the cop gar
Speaker 1: arrives and they're driving, and then they're in a part
Speaker 1: of Queen's and so Naven and Benson are in the
Speaker 1: car in the front and we have Richie rich S
Speaker 1: in the back and there a white van pulls up
Speaker 1: in front of them, cutting them off. People start running out.
Speaker 1: Ash backs out fast. A truck cuts them off from
Speaker 1: the other side. They run out of the car and
Speaker 1: they start shooting, and they tell her to stay in
Speaker 1: the car. She is smiling. She is having the time
Speaker 1: of her life in the back of the car as
Speaker 1: there's a shootout. And then Benson and Ash gets shot
Speaker 1: dead shot shot shots like twelve shots each in their
Speaker 1: stomach and chess and we know this is like obviously
Speaker 1: not real, since Benson has a dozen more seasons after this, but.
Speaker 3: There's like blood pops like, I mean, like there's blood
Speaker 3: on their shirts, like it looks this is action movie level,
Speaker 3: saying this live.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. Then someone on buckles Anne puts
Speaker 1: her in the back of the white van. The masked
Speaker 1: men in her drive off as she stares at their
Speaker 1: dead bodies.
Speaker 4: They go to a motel.
Speaker 1: She walks in and goes, oh, well, this isn't the Walldorf,
Speaker 1: but hey, the masked man takes off his mask and
Speaker 1: it's Finn. Oh my god. So then he says, if
Speaker 1: you want to go somewhere else, there's the door. She's like,
Speaker 1: how about a ride to Westchester County Airport there's a
Speaker 1: jet waiting, and he says sure, as long as I
Speaker 1: get the rest of my money. She's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wire it to you. Don't you trust me?
Speaker 1: And he sits on the bed and he's like, lady,
Speaker 1: I just iced two cops for you. I don't trust
Speaker 1: you one bit. He pulls on Sonny's She goes, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll make a phone call and goes to the hotel landline.
Speaker 4: He goes, no, no, no, no, don't use that phone. You
Speaker 4: don't know who's listening.
Speaker 1: Use my cell phone, So Benson and Ash they meet
Speaker 1: up with Stabler in a van's steakout style. Benson is like, okay,
Speaker 1: first my boots, now my shirt. So then Sarah Paulson
Speaker 1: now calls the bank and she's talking in France and
Speaker 1: she's I'm in France in French.
Speaker 4: She's loving it. She's having so much fun.
Speaker 1: She says, it's all done, and she goes, my father
Speaker 1: always said to seal business deals with champagne. So let's
Speaker 1: start popping bottles. Do you think this dump has room service?
Speaker 1: And Stabler I can't wait to get involved, and goes, well,
Speaker 1: they do now, And so Anne is changing and telling
Speaker 1: Finn like, damn, when my cellmate said that she knew
Speaker 1: a hit man, I had no idea you'd be so attractive.
Speaker 1: And so then he says I'm the total package, and
Speaker 1: she goes, I wish I knew you sooner, and he goes,
Speaker 1: what to kill your parents? And she says I didn't.
Speaker 1: He says, relaxed, baby, you're among friends. He adds, but
Speaker 1: an axe, that's old school. She says, you didn't know
Speaker 1: my mother. Constant judgment and harping, and then the bitch
Speaker 1: try to tell my daddy to cut me off the whill.
Speaker 1: I had him wrapped around my finger for years, but
Speaker 1: my mom was out to get me, always whispering nasty
Speaker 1: things in his ear. But I didn't want him dead.
Speaker 1: But and then Finn cuts her off and says collateral damage,
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh, exactly. She is so into him.
Speaker 1: She says, you should come with me, darling. I can
Speaker 1: always use a man with your skills. The possibilities are
Speaker 1: endless for us. Rio is beautiful this time of year.
Speaker 1: Knock knock, knock, room service. She is so excited to
Speaker 1: drink and fuck Finn. And then Anne walks in Benson, Stabler,
Speaker 1: and Ash and she is shocked. She screams, you bast
Speaker 1: her and Finn arrests her. She screams, I will kill you.
Speaker 1: I will kill all of you. And Ash finally goes
Speaker 1: see your mask finally coming off, and Benson says, what
Speaker 1: took you so long? Then you know, they all walk
Speaker 1: out of the motel room feeling pretty good about themselves.
Speaker 1: And that's dick wolf Baby. Well, I mean, it's too
Speaker 1: bad it's based on a true crime, because this would
Speaker 1: have been a really fun one to.
Speaker 4: Do our live shows. I feel it is so silly
Speaker 4: and wild and it's crazy that.
Speaker 1: This like decorated actress is like the star of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, Naveen Andrews two is very talented and like
Speaker 3: it's just, oh my god, so nuts. Anyway, let's get
Speaker 3: into the true crime, shall we can't wait? Okay, So
Speaker 3: a little blurb up top the Nazi reference. Okay, when
Speaker 3: they're talking about like blackmailing the head of the foundation
Speaker 3: with like the sadus from the sex club with the
Speaker 3: Nazi role play, that's a reference to Max Mosley, who
Speaker 3: was a British businessman, a lawyer and a racing driver
Speaker 3: who was the president of the Federacion International Delotomobile, which
Speaker 3: is the FIA which runs all of Formula one and
Speaker 3: in March of two thousand and eight News of the World,
Speaker 3: which I think is kind of like a trashier rag
Speaker 3: over in the UK, they released video footage of Max
Speaker 3: Mosley engaged in acts with five consenting women in a
Speaker 3: sexual situation that they claimed involved Nazi like imagery and uh.
Speaker 3: The case was dismissed as having no genuine basis by
Speaker 3: the court, but it really fucked up Moseley's reputation.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what they're borrowing from with this
Speaker 1: so wrong if everyone's consent, like it's so wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's like, I don't know where the Nazi part
Speaker 3: of it came in, but like because there's video footage
Speaker 3: of it, so is there Nazi stuff or not Nazi stuff?
Speaker 4: You know, but that's where that's what that came from.
Speaker 3: It's really wild too, because England has such stronger slander
Speaker 3: laws than we do here. Like I know people that
Speaker 3: will go and they will like sue corporate, they'll sue
Speaker 3: like media in the UK because they consider we don't
Speaker 3: consider We're like, something has to be really serious to
Speaker 3: be slanderous here in the UK. It's much like more
Speaker 3: broad like what can be considered slandering people. I'm sure
Speaker 3: we have British listeners that will let me know, but
Speaker 3: I'm pretty positive that that's true. No, their rags are
Speaker 3: known as ruthless, I believe, yes for sure, but they
Speaker 3: in their rags they must have some kind of truth
Speaker 3: to like the little things, because you can get got
Speaker 3: for slander pretty hard. But anyway, Lizzie Borden, this is
Speaker 3: what this case this episode is mostly based on. I
Speaker 3: would say there were a few other like people were
Speaker 3: in the wiki. There were some suggestions that this might
Speaker 3: be about other cases where people just kill their parents,
Speaker 3: but they actually reference Lizzie bordon So that's the crime
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1: Today, which, like I.
Speaker 4: I know, casually, I feel like I've probably like maybe
Speaker 4: did a paper.
Speaker 1: In high school or something. I don't know. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to know more details and information because she's such an eye,
Speaker 1: you know, for feminism. But yeah, and like there was
Speaker 1: movies made about her. I just feel like she's like
Speaker 1: a really famous woman killer. But I want to know everything.
Speaker 3: It's a hugely famous case and for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3: But I'm the same as you. I knew vaguely what happened.
Speaker 3: I really didn't know before I researched it, so I
Speaker 3: was actually happy to do it. So Benson refers to
Speaker 3: Angela as Lizzie Borden. One of the most famous crimes
Speaker 3: in American history took place during the Gilded Age, and
Speaker 3: the violence of the crime attracted national attention, but also
Speaker 3: because the victims had money and social clout, much like
Speaker 3: in this episode. It's been referenced in the media like
Speaker 3: tons and tons of times, plays, books, whatever, But there's
Speaker 3: also a very creepy nursery rhyme that people know, which
Speaker 3: is Lizzie bored and took an axe and gave her
Speaker 3: mother forty whax. When she saw what she had done,
Speaker 3: she gave her father forty one.
Speaker 1: So the rhyme is not.
Speaker 3: Even accurate, but that's like a rhyme that people know about.
Speaker 3: So Lizzie Andrew Borden famously killed both her father Andrew
Speaker 3: Jackson Borden and her stepmother Abby Durfy Gray with a
Speaker 3: hatchet in Fall River, Massachusetts in eighteen ninety two. So
Speaker 3: a lot of times it's like axe imagery and stuff,
Speaker 3: and even like at the end of this episode, Finn
Speaker 3: goes with an axe that's cold, but it's actually a hatchet,
Speaker 3: and they say that at the beginning of the episode
Speaker 3: that those two parents are killed with a hatchet.
Speaker 1: A hatchet is lighter and smaller than an axe.
Speaker 4: You have to be like really fucking close up to
Speaker 4: somebody and like really like whacking at them to kill
Speaker 4: somebody with a hatchet like that, you know, So a
Speaker 4: lot of them were a difference between those.
Speaker 3: Right, Like a lot of people called her an ex murder,
Speaker 3: but it was really a hatchet. So her father was
Speaker 3: quite successful, had come from being a poor upbringing and
Speaker 3: he had become quite successful and was worth around three
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars at the time of his death, which
Speaker 3: is like ten million today, so pretty successful. Lizzie's mother
Speaker 3: had died and then three years later he married Abby,
Speaker 3: and Lizzie thought that she was kind of a gold
Speaker 3: digger and only married her father for the money. So
Speaker 3: there was some tension in the family. The dad had
Speaker 3: been giving away properties to members of his wife his
Speaker 3: new wife's family. Lizzie and her older sister Emma were
Speaker 3: pissed and they were like, well, we want our old
Speaker 3: house that we lived in with our mom, and so
Speaker 3: he gave them that. He sold it to them for
Speaker 3: a dollar, and then weeks before the murders they actually
Speaker 3: sold it back to him for five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's weird. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was reading about that and was like, I don't
Speaker 3: really know what's up. I'm sure he gave it to
Speaker 3: them as a gift, and then was probably they were
Speaker 3: probably like, we don't know how to take care of this.
Speaker 1: You take it, give us money for it.
Speaker 3: It was essentially sometimes I think the gifting of property
Speaker 3: is really just like instead of the crassness of just
Speaker 3: handing cash to someone.
Speaker 4: So anyway, it's ugs us forth. Eighteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: In the house were Lizzie and a maid named Bridget Sullivan,
Speaker 3: and that they would they called Bridget Maggie by the way,
Speaker 3: I don't know why. And the girl's maternal uncle, John Morse,
Speaker 3: had actually stayed the night the night before, but he
Speaker 3: had left that morning to go into town and buy
Speaker 3: oxen and visit a niece. It's like a very eighteen
Speaker 3: ninety two morning. I'm just gonna go buy some ox
Speaker 3: and have brunch with my niece. And then her father,
Speaker 3: Andrew Borden, went on a morning walk. Abby, the stepmom,
Speaker 3: went upstairs to do some chores, and forensics alleged that
Speaker 3: she was facing her killer when she was attacked. She
Speaker 3: was first smacked on the side of the head with
Speaker 3: a hatchet, which cut her just above her ear, which
Speaker 3: caused her to turn and fall face down on the floor.
Speaker 3: The killer struck her multiple times, delivering seventeen more blows
Speaker 3: to the back of the head, killing her. And Then
Speaker 3: Andrew came back from his walk, but his key wouldn't work,
Speaker 3: so we called the maid Sullivan, who had gone up
Speaker 3: to her room to rest. And then the maid went
Speaker 3: back to her room to rest, and she didn't know
Speaker 3: anything that was going on until Lizzie called to her
Speaker 3: and said, Maggie, come quick, father's dead.
Speaker 4: Someone's coming and killed him.
Speaker 3: And Andrew was found on a couch with ten to
Speaker 3: eleven wounds from a hatchet, and his face was apparently unrecognizable.
Speaker 4: So it's an extremely violent crime. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 4: a self defense.
Speaker 3: Whack where you hit an artery and somebody bled out,
Speaker 3: like somebody wanted to fuck these people up. One of
Speaker 3: his eyes had been cleanly split in two, it said,
Speaker 3: suggesting that he had maybe been asleep on the couch
Speaker 3: when he was attacked. And these attacks, by the way,
Speaker 3: between the mother, the stepmother, and the father were like
Speaker 3: within this space of ninety minutes. And then a neighboring
Speaker 3: doctorate said, came over and pronounced them both dead. Eventually,
Speaker 3: people were stunned that these murders could have happened in
Speaker 3: broad daylight on a busy street and like a block
Speaker 3: away from the main part of town, like where all
Speaker 3: the businesses were. There was no apparent motive because there
Speaker 3: was no sexual assault, nothing was stolen, no one saw
Speaker 3: anyone enter or leave the home, and Lizzie claimed that
Speaker 3: she was like out in the barn during what these attacks,
Speaker 3: and that she came in and found the bodies. Police
Speaker 3: initially thought the suspect would be a man and likely
Speaker 3: quote unquote a foreigner, and within a few hours of
Speaker 3: the murder they had actually arrested an innocent Portuguese immigrant.
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of elements of nationalism on
Speaker 3: display in this case, like where Lizzie had wanted her
Speaker 3: parents to move to a nicer part of town to
Speaker 3: get away from all the Catholic immigrants that had been
Speaker 3: flooding their neighborhood, like people from Ireland and like Portugal,
Speaker 3: it seems like. And then another thing was when she
Speaker 3: found her father's body, she sent servants to go find
Speaker 3: the family doctor across the street. She never bothered with
Speaker 3: the Irish doctor who lived right next door, never bothered
Speaker 3: with the French Canadian doctor who lived behind them, and
Speaker 3: according to Smithsonian Magazine quote, only a Yankee doctor would
Speaker 3: do so this is.
Speaker 4: Like how a xenophobic family, yes, exactly. So.
Speaker 3: Something else also happened in the aftermath of the murders,
Speaker 3: which was that thousands of townspeople were curious and visited
Speaker 3: the home and were totally tampering with evidence and tainting
Speaker 3: the integrity of the crime.
Speaker 4: But it's like eighteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: It don't a police tape, you know, so no one's
Speaker 3: like so, you know, the crime scene was very fucked,
Speaker 3: so no one suspected Lizzie had done this. She was
Speaker 3: a Sunday school teacher at her wealthy Central Congregational Church.
Speaker 3: She was described by everybody as like a typical Victorian lady,
Speaker 3: like she wasn't married or anything. But what I was
Speaker 3: reading was that her sister was considered a spinster, her
Speaker 3: older sister, because on her deathbed, the mother said, please
Speaker 3: take care of baby Lizzie, and so the sister had
Speaker 3: sort of devoted her life to take care of Lizzie.
Speaker 3: Lizzie didn't have any romantic prospects and was in her
Speaker 3: early thirties, which at that time seems like late to
Speaker 3: be a single woman still, but everyone thought she was
Speaker 3: like so elegant and like the picture of Victorian society
Speaker 3: or whatever Gilded Age realness. But then no one suspected her.
Speaker 3: But then her interviews with the police were weird. At
Speaker 3: one point she said, oh, I heard a groan and
Speaker 3: then I went into the house. And then later she
Speaker 3: said she heard nothing, and she went into the house
Speaker 3: suspecting nothing. And a lot of the cops that talked
Speaker 3: to her didn't like her attitude. Okay, they didn't like
Speaker 3: that she wasn't hysterical. They said she was too calm.
Speaker 3: She never shed a tear while she was talking to them,
Speaker 3: and they thought that was weird.
Speaker 1: It is kind of weird.
Speaker 3: But also we've talked about this before, like there's no
Speaker 3: perfect way to be traumatized, you know, like some people freeze,
Speaker 3: So her reaction was weird. And then police found two
Speaker 3: hatchets and two axes in the basement, and the police
Speaker 3: also found that Lizzie had tried to procure a deadly
Speaker 3: prussic acid from a pharmacy the day before, but she claimed,
Speaker 3: oh no, that was just to clean my fur coats.
Speaker 3: I use that acid to clean my fur coats. They
Speaker 3: tested the two bodies were poisoned. None was found, so
Speaker 3: there was an inquest hearing on the eighth, Like, this
Speaker 3: move's really fast, because what's the day? August fourth is
Speaker 3: the day they're murdered four days later, there's an inquest hearing.
Speaker 3: A doctor testified that Lizzie had been prescribed double doses
Speaker 3: of morphine to calm her nerves and that that may.
Speaker 1: Have affected her behavior.
Speaker 3: Like that could have been what caused her to remember
Speaker 3: things differently, be confused, possibly not be emotional and reactionary.
Speaker 3: She's in like a morphine stupor, you know, like but
Speaker 3: also there are expectations of women at this time that
Speaker 3: she act in a certain way. So then apparently she
Speaker 3: started refusing to answer questions, she contradicted herself, her story
Speaker 3: started to vary again.
Speaker 4: This all could have been from the morphine, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, the family doctor testified that it could have contributed
Speaker 3: to her foggy memory. On August eleventh, one week after
Speaker 3: the murders, Lizzie was arrested and jailed. And this high
Speaker 3: society lady was in a cell for almost ten months.
Speaker 3: And the case, yeah, the case, so no, no, that
Speaker 3: was just her jail time until the trial. She just
Speaker 3: didn't get bail, so she was jailed till trial.
Speaker 1: Ahy, that's shocking. Yeah, so she's jailed till trial. So
Speaker 1: this case, I think what I was reading a lot
Speaker 1: of my reading.
Speaker 3: The reason that it sort of has hit such a
Speaker 3: nerve and been like a big part of our cultural
Speaker 3: consciousness is because of a couple of things, and one
Speaker 3: of them is that sensational journalists had like just begun,
Speaker 3: you know, like that had just started, and like a
Speaker 3: murder happening among like the well healed was super like
Speaker 3: supercharging that fire, you know, like this was just like
Speaker 3: kind of the first Nancy Grace type trial and like
Speaker 3: some doctor Jean Kim, who was a clinical assistant professor
Speaker 3: of psychiatry at George Washington University, told Rolling Stone that
Speaker 3: the bored and murders quote reflect a key moment in
Speaker 3: our modern public consciousness about the reality of violence in
Speaker 3: private families, even ones that seem outwardly affluent or normal
Speaker 3: end quote.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: It's like one of these first crimes among the rich,
Speaker 3: you know, that hasn't been shunned. And then there is
Speaker 3: also this like nationalistic like you know, nativism that's happening
Speaker 3: of like you know, white people that are think they're
Speaker 3: whatever Mayflower people, and then the immigrants that are coming in.
Speaker 3: So like there was a local Irish paper that was
Speaker 3: posting all this shipping like, oh, Lizzie's guilty as hell,
Speaker 3: And then the local town paper that had been around
Speaker 3: forever was like, oh no, not lady.
Speaker 4: Lizzie, She's innocent. She's innocent.
Speaker 3: So that's all contributing to like the atmosphere. So there
Speaker 3: was grand jury on November seventh, and then eventually she
Speaker 3: was indicted on December second. So women's groups were furious
Speaker 3: and protested because she would not be charged by a
Speaker 3: jury of her peers because women at that time were
Speaker 3: not allowed to sit on juries. So suffragettes and all
Speaker 3: these women's groups were like really protesting on behalf of Lizzie,
Speaker 3: like this is bullshit, like you know, witch hunt vibes.
Speaker 3: And so another major thing was like the acts found
Speaker 3: in the basement, which prosecutors did not adequately prove was
Speaker 3: the murder weapon, and a Harvard chemist testified that there
Speaker 3: was no blood found on the axes or the hatchets.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's eighteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are.
Speaker 3: Gonna have axes in their basement, right or hatchets. It
Speaker 3: doesn't really prove anything. Also, interestingly, no bloody clothing was
Speaker 3: found at the scene, and Lizzie turned the dress she
Speaker 3: was wearing over to the plea and it only had
Speaker 3: a tiny spot of blood on it, which is pretty
Speaker 3: impossible considering the murder weapon was a hatchet. She'd have
Speaker 3: to be extremely close to the victims and there would
Speaker 3: have been spatter splatter or whatever. But then what kind
Speaker 3: of turned to get her the indictment was her friend
Speaker 3: Alice Russell testified she was like Lizzie's best friend. She
Speaker 3: testified that she had come to stay at the home
Speaker 3: after the murders to support her friend, and she saw
Speaker 3: Lizzie take a dress from the closet and burn it
Speaker 3: in the kitchen stove. Lizzie had said she brushed up
Speaker 3: against wet paint and ruined the dress, but everybody was
Speaker 3: pretty positive that was like a dress that she was
Speaker 3: covered in blood that she murdered her parents in. And
Speaker 3: that testimony is what caused the grand jury to indict.
Speaker 3: So she does get indicted, she stays in jail, and
Speaker 3: then her trial happens on June fifth of eighteen eighty three,
Speaker 3: So now she's been in jail for about ten months
Speaker 3: since the murder has happened, and now it's trial time. Also, weirdly,
Speaker 3: five days before the trial started. There was another axe
Speaker 3: murder in fall River, Massachusetts, but they got that guy
Speaker 3: and he was not in fall River at the time
Speaker 3: of the Boarden's murder.
Speaker 4: So it's just a weird coincidence that I wanted to mention.
Speaker 3: So at trial, Lizzie's lawyers are giving her the elwoods,
Speaker 3: you know, they're telling her how to handle it. They're
Speaker 3: like she played damsel in distress. She wore black, she
Speaker 3: wore a tightly corseted black flowing dress. She had flowers
Speaker 3: in one hand a fan in the other, Like she
Speaker 3: was definitely you know, she was showing up for the
Speaker 3: people that were on her side and trying to.
Speaker 1: Play like little o me.
Speaker 3: She had the best legal team that her murdered father's
Speaker 3: money could buy. One of Boston's best defense attorneys was
Speaker 3: on her team, as well as a former Massachusetts governor
Speaker 3: who had appointed one of the three judges who was
Speaker 3: presiding over the case. So wild conflict of interestship. But
Speaker 3: she's got a crackerjack team of lawyers. And during the trial,
Speaker 3: both the victims' heads had been removed and were presented
Speaker 3: as evidence, Like they brought their severed heads into the courtroom,
Speaker 3: and Lizzie fainted when she saw them, but after hearing everything,
Speaker 3: after an hour and a half of deliberation, Lizzie Borden
Speaker 3: was acquitted.
Speaker 1: She walked.
Speaker 3: No one else has ever been charged with the murders.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of theories of the crime that
Speaker 3: have circulated in the years.
Speaker 1: One is that.
Speaker 4: Lizzie was physically and sexually abused by her father.
Speaker 1: Wait, but what do we know?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, but do we know why? The jury was like,
Speaker 4: you're a good girl.
Speaker 3: I think they just like couldn't prove it, Like they
Speaker 3: really couldn't prove she did it. Like there was no
Speaker 3: blood on the app They obviously didn't prove that it
Speaker 3: was the murder weapon, so no murder weapon.
Speaker 1: It would have been hard for her to dispose.
Speaker 3: Of a murder weapon as well, you know, But also
Speaker 3: there wasn't there could have been blood on the axes
Speaker 3: that were in the basement. They didn't have like luminol
Speaker 3: and like all that shit. Then I don't think maybe
Speaker 3: they did, but it's possible she cleaned the hatchet really
Speaker 3: quick and threw it in the basement and then was like, Maggie,
Speaker 3: come quick.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Who knows, But it seems like this could have been
Speaker 3: a case of a random murder. I'm like, the more
Speaker 3: I was researching it, I was like, maybe she didn't
Speaker 3: do it. Maybe it was truly like the sexism of
Speaker 3: like she wasn't reacting in the way that the cops liked,
Speaker 3: and she was giving weird answers which could be attributed
Speaker 3: to the morphine.
Speaker 1: And so well, because I feel there was a movie
Speaker 1: with Christina Ricci or something, yeah, and it Oh you're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it? Yeah, okay, because I felt like
Speaker 1: the way they marketed it, it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like the actual truth and like this, like she was framed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's sort of like Lizzie Borden.
Speaker 3: I think kind of folds into like which I have.
Speaker 1: To see what she looks like because I am only
Speaker 1: imagining Sarah Paulson right now. Oh no, different, Wait, she's scary,
Speaker 1: She's scary.
Speaker 4: She did it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, she was acquitted. No one else was ever
Speaker 3: charged with the murders, and that's it. Like there are
Speaker 3: tons of theories, like one is that she was physically
Speaker 3: and sexually abused by her dad, which led her to
Speaker 3: murder her. There's not a lot of evidence that that happened,
Speaker 3: but also that kind of thing wasn't openly discussed at
Speaker 3: the time, nor is it openly discussed, you know now.
Speaker 3: Another was that she was angry at her father, who
Speaker 3: a few days before the murder had killed her pet
Speaker 3: pigeons with a hatchet. And there was also a theory
Speaker 3: that Lizzie was caught by her stepmother in a sexual
Speaker 3: situation with Maggie the Maid, and that is another movie
Speaker 3: that was made of it. But none of these theories
Speaker 3: have been proven, which is another reason why people are
Speaker 3: just obsessed because it's like conspiracy theories, like it's like
Speaker 3: a little generator for that. After the trial, she stayed
Speaker 3: in fall River. Her and her sister Emma moved into
Speaker 3: a house together. Even though she was acquitted and people
Speaker 3: in the town had been on her side, she was
Speaker 3: pretty much a pariah in fall River after the trial,
Speaker 3: like people stared at her when she went out on
Speaker 3: the streets, and then when she kind of withdrew and
Speaker 3: stayed in her home, people played pranks on her house.
Speaker 3: And then in nineteen oh four, the two sisters had
Speaker 3: an argument and Emma moved out. In nineteen oh five
Speaker 3: and never saw Lizzie again, and despite being this outcast,
Speaker 3: Lizzie remained in Fall River until her death, and she
Speaker 3: died of pneumonia at the age of sixty six on
Speaker 3: June first, nineteen twenty seven, and like nine days later,
Speaker 3: her sister Emma died and they were buried in the
Speaker 3: same plot as their father and their stepmother.
Speaker 1: And there have been.
Speaker 3: Plays about Lizzie bordon ballets, musicals, rock operas, books, movies,
Speaker 3: so much media about this story. In nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 3: the star of Bewitched, Elizabeth Montgomery, starred as Lizzie in
Speaker 3: a made for TV movie called The Legend of Lizzie Borden,
Speaker 3: and Elizabeth Montgomery was actually sixth cousins with Lizzie Borden,
Speaker 3: so I guess that made it more legit. Christina Ricci,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, played her in a Lifetime movie which
Speaker 3: spawned a TV series. Both were wild widely panned by critics,
Speaker 3: so they both kind of flopped, and then Chloe seventy
Speaker 3: played her. Svulum played Lizzie Borden along with Kristin Stewart
Speaker 3: playing Maggie the Maid in another movie that took the
Speaker 3: lesbian affair angle between the two of them, and Fall River,
Speaker 3: Massachusetts actually still does an annual dramatization on August fourth
Speaker 3: of the thing and people like role play as them,
Speaker 3: and one year a guy playing a detective and a
Speaker 3: woman playing a bride or something.
Speaker 1: Wait, maybe she was playing Lizzie Bord.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry I didn't break this down, but these
Speaker 3: two people that met at the dramatization got married. And
Speaker 3: the house where the murders truk place is now like
Speaker 3: a spooky B and B and you can go to
Speaker 3: like Lizzibordon dot com and there's full.
Speaker 4: Exactly what I'm doing right now. That's so yeah, there's
Speaker 4: like you can book a room.
Speaker 3: I put it, I'll put it in a show notes, guys,
Speaker 3: you can book a room, you can book a tour.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole thing.
Speaker 3: So, I don't know, Like the more I read about it,
Speaker 3: I was like, it is like pretty wild that in
Speaker 3: such a quick amount of time, first of all, that
Speaker 3: she would be ballsy enough to like do it, knowing
Speaker 3: that her uncle, who was a house guest, could have
Speaker 3: come home at any minute, her her maid could have
Speaker 3: seen her.
Speaker 1: Did anyone even find out? Like who else could have?
Speaker 1: Like were there enemies. Was it a ram that like
Speaker 1: no one knows that's the thing, Like nobody else stood
Speaker 1: to gain anything from it.
Speaker 4: But it's so funny.
Speaker 1: There's like so much availability to stay in a room
Speaker 1: except for the third and fourth fucked booked baby in August.
Speaker 4: Wait, this is nuts.
Speaker 1: Select what kind of room? Oh my god, you could
Speaker 1: pick their names. Oh my god, you can, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the whole house. I need to get married so I
Speaker 1: can have my bachelort party at the Lizzie Boarden House.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it says join us to stay, play and for
Speaker 3: a hauntingly fun time, and you can do tours.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 4: Fall River is like a place.
Speaker 1: The whole house is harder to book, that's for sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's some in November. Let's see.
Speaker 3: Fall River is a place that the bus I used
Speaker 3: to take from Boston to Newport RhoD Island used to stop.
Speaker 3: So I don't really know that much about it. But
Speaker 3: that's that on Lizzie Borden and I didn't really know
Speaker 3: a ton And it's creepy. It's creepy here, Like I
Speaker 3: don't want to stay. I don't want to say, I
Speaker 3: don't want to say. I take an ax, let's do
Speaker 3: something else for your batch, please case.
Speaker 1: He is nodding, no as well. No, I, now that
Speaker 1: I see these rooms, I really have no interest. I'm
Speaker 1: more of a luxury traveler. But that's that one way.
Speaker 4: So you can say, like in the room where they
Speaker 4: were murdered.
Speaker 3: I guess so, because well, the yeah, the mother was
Speaker 3: murdered upstairs, and then that he was murdered on a couch.
Speaker 4: It looked like almost in a common area.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's sort of yeah, but yeah, ok, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's creepy, but it's affordable though.
Speaker 4: It's like two hundred to three fifty for each of
Speaker 4: the rooms. Yeah, and for a for a night of
Speaker 4: no sleep because you'll probably be hearing ghosts.
Speaker 3: But let's get well, let's get into the post mortem.
Speaker 3: We don't have a guest today, so we can just
Speaker 3: start talking about our feelings.
Speaker 1: Now that's great, boom, all.
Speaker 3: Right, no guests today, so let's just jump right into
Speaker 3: the post mortem of I don't know our postmortem. Like
Speaker 3: the idea of it when we first started this podcast
Speaker 3: was like what are the lessons we learned?
Speaker 4: What are the big takeaways?
Speaker 3: And then there's like episodes like this where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess, don't be like a psycho, greedy, trust fun
Speaker 3: bitch who murders your parents. Like I don't really know
Speaker 3: how like this much of this episode applies to life, but.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that like, and that lot people are bad
Speaker 1: at things. Yeah that you know, we're so hard on nepos,
Speaker 1: but it's like there are a lot of nepo failures.
Speaker 1: And yes, I think.
Speaker 3: Actually nepotism contributes greatly to failure to launch and for
Speaker 3: like you know, delusions of grandeur and then you can't
Speaker 3: like reach.
Speaker 1: Up to them, you know.
Speaker 3: But I also think that it is interesting in the
Speaker 3: episode how she's so she's like, oh, I love my daddy,
Speaker 3: and my daddy was.
Speaker 4: Like wrapped around my little finger, but my mom was
Speaker 4: a fucking bitch that she was like just had to
Speaker 4: kill my dad too. Collateral damage.
Speaker 1: I think she's doing in prison or did she get off?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure she got a great lawyer, I
Speaker 1: know somebody.
Speaker 3: But you know how like you can't profit from your crimes,
Speaker 3: Like if you kill somebody for money ostensibly, like and
Speaker 3: you inherit all this money from somebody that you murder,
Speaker 3: can you use that money in your own defense. I'm interested,
Speaker 3: although she could get a pro bono good lawyer because
Speaker 3: this kind of case would be all over the news.
Speaker 1: I also, this reminds me of are you thinking about
Speaker 1: the same thing I am, Gypsy Rose being pregnant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, that's exactly what I was saying. I know,
Speaker 3: there's no way you're thinking what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was just gonna.
Speaker 4: Say to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see?
Speaker 3: So we're a little bit behind, obviously because we're in
Speaker 3: the time machine, but not this aka Lindsay Hubbard pregnant,
Speaker 3: Gypsy Rose pregnant two major pregnancies.
Speaker 1: For us, I would say yeah, But to Rinda in
Speaker 1: the rumors about Traders, like, I don't know, I believe
Speaker 1: the rumors of Lindsay being pregnant before she announced and confirmed,
Speaker 1: so I never't.
Speaker 4: As a surprise to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's pissed at Dirnda because she was gonna
Speaker 1: be on the Traders and kept her pregnancy secret and
Speaker 1: Derinda told on her, told producers H wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then one of the things I saw that advertised
Speaker 3: the New Traders cast wrote her down as door Linda,
Speaker 3: which I love and I might just be calling her
Speaker 3: that from now on, Door Linda anyway.
Speaker 1: Wow, But Gypsy Rose is guy, so I guess they
Speaker 1: used to date before this other ex husband and then
Speaker 1: they've kicklled once she got out. You know, all the
Speaker 1: male killers get to have groupies. Like I'm I'm fine
Speaker 1: with her doing this. I hope, you know, she's happy
Speaker 1: having a kid. I hope she makes money. But the
Speaker 1: video I saw in all the comments I saw about
Speaker 1: her talking about it is she's crying in quotes, but
Speaker 1: there's no tears. Okay, okay, Like she's talking about I
Speaker 1: want to give this baby like a childhood I didn't have,
Speaker 1: filled with love, and then she starts crying because of
Speaker 1: you know, her abuse, but there's no tears.
Speaker 3: I just like really need there to be somebody very
Speaker 3: carefully monitoring this whole situation.
Speaker 1: She's in some sort of parole situation, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm sure she has a parole officer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I just kind of mean, like and I feel
Speaker 1: like she has a therapy unless she's a psychopath, but
Speaker 1: like she was really good on the view, Like the
Speaker 1: way she talks about stuff is very measured, and I
Speaker 1: don't think she's a psychopath. I just do think I
Speaker 1: just think she has been like severely traumatized, and I
Speaker 1: just like would stunted.
Speaker 4: I just want to be sure that everything is at least.
Speaker 1: This guy's hotter, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm at least happy she's getting this hot dude, this baby.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope everything goes good for Gypsy poor thing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, but I can't believe we were both
Speaker 3: just thinking that that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Well someone just I saw a story or is like
Speaker 1: hold on, So Gypsy Rose got a dude to murder
Speaker 1: her mom for her, then she had a husband in jail.
Speaker 1: Now she has a new husband, like a like what
Speaker 1: and I'm getting ghosted or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: like just someone on top. Oh yeah yeah yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 1: she's really bringing them in. Yeah, she sure is.
Speaker 3: But like you said, people, you know, there's the guy
Speaker 3: groupies for the they're the girl groupies for Richard Ramirez,
Speaker 3: and there's the guy groupies for Gypsy Ros.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh and you know what else, going back to
Speaker 1: what I was talking about up top about him being like, uh,
Speaker 1: you're thirty six and single. You guys are clapping for that?
Speaker 1: Like that's so delusional. All that like Jared Freed straight
Speaker 1: up as a special called thirty seven and single, Like
Speaker 1: it is just so crazy. Yeah, like the different dynamics
Speaker 1: and how they don't see that. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't see us as people and that's why, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I will never yeah, PEO will never
Speaker 1: understand each other and I will always. Those guys don't.
Speaker 4: Care about men being single at fifty or sixty, Like
Speaker 4: they don't care.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. They also don't actually care about it.
Speaker 1: They just don't like that there's a lack of control
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. They like, well, the idea that
Speaker 1: there's a woman running around without having to that doesn't
Speaker 1: need you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't need man, men man any man. I mean,
Speaker 3: I you just told me who it is, and that
Speaker 3: guy's pretty repulsive. So I texted someone else and he
Speaker 3: was like, that is a psychopath. Why are you getting involved?
Speaker 3: Like he's like, I'm like, I wasn't getting involved. Thought
Speaker 3: it'd be a normal convo. Not really but you know,
Speaker 3: but I agree, But I think that what you said
Speaker 3: is comic to comic. You shouldn't really like talk shit
Speaker 3: about a comic after they've left the room. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I think that's like what you're saying. Like I did
Speaker 3: part about the electation guy, but that is different.
Speaker 1: Oh, he had left the room.
Speaker 4: He left.
Speaker 3: I think he ran away as soon as he got
Speaker 3: off the stage. Well that's I think you were therapizing
Speaker 3: the audience. Let's be honest. I think they needed you
Speaker 3: to land the plane on that one.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then I would say the first show, I go,
Speaker 1: who's under thirty? Almost everyone? I go, who's under twenty five?
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the room. I go, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I go, oh my god. I don't have to respect
Speaker 1: any of you. And then I said, how many of
Speaker 1: you are in finance? Every hand they were all one
Speaker 1: work at Newmark, one was Bank of America, one was
Speaker 1: Ernst and Young and yeah, like they all were like
Speaker 1: finance boys and two girls. Jeez, finance bros. Night out.
Speaker 4: Yeah at the comedy at the comedy night.
Speaker 1: This is a fun episode. You're not going to get
Speaker 1: one on the SV Detective, so don't even try it.
Speaker 1: That's what we fucking learned. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't know
Speaker 1: how much money you get fan undercover. I mean she
Speaker 1: wanted a fuck fin I'm honestly pissed. We didn't get
Speaker 1: to see that from it. I know.
Speaker 3: We also learned that, like there was a course in
Speaker 3: the Police Academy in acting, and that the NYPD has
Speaker 3: like a full special effects budget where they can like
Speaker 3: forge deaths, fake deaths and full gunshot kidnappings. Like this
Speaker 3: episode is camp baby, and I love it so much.
Speaker 3: We can move on to what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: Our weekly segment where we direct you guys towards you know, organizations, articles, books,
Speaker 3: something that gives you more information on what we talk today.
Speaker 3: To be honest, this episode doesn't really conjure a any
Speaker 3: sort of charitable organization in my mind because it, like,
Speaker 3: you know, the crime is over one hundred years old
Speaker 3: and the episode is off the charts wild. So I
Speaker 3: just wanted to point you guys to the twenty eighteen
Speaker 3: movie Lizzie, which people say has sort of like a
Speaker 3: me too perspective of the Lizzie bordon story. It's a
Speaker 3: sexy retelling starring Chloe Savignier as Lizzie Borden and Kristen
Speaker 3: Stewart as her servant girl Bridget. And who I guess
Speaker 3: is that the one they maybe call Maggie in real life.
Speaker 3: But whatever, I think it's got some fun girl on
Speaker 3: girl action and is like a canty little story about
Speaker 3: Lizzie if you want to see that dramatized, and the
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