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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifteen, episode

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Speaker 1: five of The Daily Like Guys production of by Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. Than it is Friday, December seventeen,

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Speaker 1: twenty one, which means that you know it is national

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Speaker 1: My Brother's Day, National Right Brothers Day? Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean just Wright Brother's Day under National Underdog Day. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ugly Christmas Sweater Day, that makes more sense, and National

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Speaker 1: Maple Scissor Day as well. Oh they specified scissor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're still drinking out of a star from cup. Came

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Speaker 1: from the five or four Boys. I think Mafia collaborated

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Speaker 1: on that one. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien ak

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Speaker 1: stuck in a well and you're a cat baby, you

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Speaker 1: make Jack the horny. Let's courtesy a met Dick at

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Speaker 1: back Dick, though it is a reference to me saying

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Speaker 1: this is where I don't even remember what we talked

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Speaker 1: about on the show, but I'm pretty sure I suggested

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Speaker 1: that I have a fetish for cat being stuck in wells.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well cat, we thought it was a well

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Speaker 1: images not talking about my there it is, Well, Miles

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by you. It's

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray a k A. You know, as I'm known

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Speaker 1: in Japan. So I just wanted to give you know,

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Speaker 1: six Jack was handing all with his legal name. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hit you with my international name, so shout out

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Speaker 1: to Japan and you up with like two names basically

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Speaker 1: your Japanese I mean, you know, because Japanese, like the

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Speaker 1: alphabet is all syllable, so there's no way a Japanese

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Speaker 1: person is gonna say Miles. So we we have to

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Speaker 1: use the alphabet that we have. So it breaks down

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Speaker 1: to my utu or my uses like people. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't do the ten thing on it. I go

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Speaker 1: for Sue, not Sup. But that's a personal decision. So

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Speaker 1: I was using to call like my was sort of

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Speaker 1: like my grandparents. Auntie's uncle's kind of saying that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. Our boys have Korean names that were selected

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Speaker 1: by their Korean school, so but I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: stick with them. Is that is there is there a

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Speaker 1: process like wouldn't wouldn't like your you're your family like us,

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Speaker 1: like you're dead, But it wasn't there like a person

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Speaker 1: who decides the name. Yeah, we just didn't bother until

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Speaker 1: they started Korean school and then they were like, all right,

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Speaker 1: well we'll we'll pick them for you. Okay, what are

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Speaker 1: their names? And they're very very cute. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: my kids names on Wow podcast. You want saying my

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Speaker 1: kids Korean names on the Yeah, they're cute though, Suti

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Speaker 1: and Tuna. Okay, Okay, Well, my we are thrilled, fortunate,

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Speaker 1: and blessed to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: one of the smartest people I know. She's a producer

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Speaker 1: here in my Heart l a podcast studio, helping to

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Speaker 1: create shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends. She's a fabulous

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Speaker 1: writer who you can read a Vulture, the A B

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Speaker 1: Club Team, vot Paste, The Advocate, many more. She is

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Speaker 1: the brilliant, the talented Joe Almony. I'm back in the

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Speaker 1: house still, the Marvel Defender is so excited to be

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Speaker 1: here today. How are you guys doing great? You have

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Speaker 1: a new microphone and it is it is covering your

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Speaker 1: eyes as though you are you had you had it

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Speaker 1: over one eye and you look like like fury. At

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Speaker 1: one point it was covering both eyes and you looked like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a witness on a special that is like

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Speaker 1: trying to cover up their identity. But they're they're just

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Speaker 1: like doing a real half past job. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: don't record right, you're gonna hear about it, hear about it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get the mic right. You know,

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Speaker 1: now that I got the professional mic, Like I've been

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Speaker 1: podcasting for eight years or something, I just got a

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Speaker 1: real mike. This is crazy. I'm gonna try to hold

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Speaker 1: it here so I can make eye contact. No, don't

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Speaker 1: do whatever I thought it was. It was fun. It

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Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, well, we were thrilled to have you back.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? How have you been since the

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Speaker 1: last you checked in? Was that gay Friday? One day?

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Speaker 1: Was that? You know? For business folks, it's que for

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Speaker 1: so everyone needs everything right this minute. Don't not later,

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Speaker 1: not thirty seconds from now. Do you not take a nap,

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Speaker 1: Do not do that other work, because their work is

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Speaker 1: most important. You know, the six people being like but

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Speaker 1: now like you have to wait, it's coming. Please believe me.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I have not forgotten about you.

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Speaker 1: I've sent that email six times. You're still in my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: The actions are helping. Can you record this had three

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Speaker 1: days ago? I can't. I'm not a time traveler unsofinitely

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Speaker 1: damn it. Someone said you might be as a as

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Speaker 1: a minor podcast Celebrita if I can, if I call

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Speaker 1: myself that. Also, other networks are now bringing me up

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Speaker 1: and being like, so our regulars are not available, will

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Speaker 1: this is what I've been asking for all year. It

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Speaker 1: would be weird if I said no. But I just

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Speaker 1: don't sleep now. I went to bed it like eleven.

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Speaker 1: I was up at three. It's fine, listen, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get all of it done and it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I got the things I asked for,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna just rebel in that manifestation. I get

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Speaker 1: your work, Get your work. Yes, yes, all right, Joel.

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Speaker 1: We are going to get to know you a little

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Speaker 1: bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our

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Speaker 1: listeners a few of the things we're talking about. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna check in with a macron because it seems like

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Speaker 1: it's been spreading fast relief for one day. Uh and

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Speaker 1: this this damn pandemic. What I do once again, what

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Speaker 1: would you do? Miles? So we'll just talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the latest on that. It's kind of a lot of

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Speaker 1: the same. But we're gonna talk about the new West

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Speaker 1: Side story getting raves but did not bring in Bafo

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Speaker 1: the right they have some answers for us, they have

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Speaker 1: some guesses, And we are gonna talk about the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: behind David Bowie's forgotten video game A Macron the Nomad

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Speaker 1: Soul that came out a lot of people forgot. We

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Speaker 1: did not, and we like the truth yea, to the

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Speaker 1: to the future, all that plenty more. But first, Joel,

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Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history? Tell far plump feel words don't mean

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Speaker 1: anything to you, Miles, and Miles is aware height Beef

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Speaker 1: and through Miles only become a hype beast because he

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Speaker 1: taught Justin about stuff and now I'm learning about the stuff. Okay, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna defend? First of all, just sorry, Justin very

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Speaker 1: much is his own hype beast. Yeah, like the seven

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Speaker 1: keep it up, super producer justin. I just buy us.

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Speaker 1: Uh Saint Virgil pins that I'm really excited about. It's

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Speaker 1: like the Saint Hood with like Louis Baton symbols. It's

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Speaker 1: really cute. Any who tell fire plump? Okay, So if

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Speaker 1: y'all don't know, tell Far is really cool. Uh comes

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Speaker 1: from a guy named how Far. He's like beer, an American.

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Speaker 1: He designs handbags. He calls them like shopping bags. They

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Speaker 1: sort of look like plastic bags almost. They like just

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Speaker 1: big t e sim bowl in the center. They're simple,

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Speaker 1: but they're classy. They come in every color. But the

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Speaker 1: cool thing about them if they're like listen, we can't

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Speaker 1: be bothered with weight listing, and we don't feel like

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Speaker 1: our bags should cost eighty thousand dollars. That's ridiculous, So

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Speaker 1: we will always sell our bags for the same price.

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Speaker 1: It is first come first, so don't call us beforehand.

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Speaker 1: We're not sitting it aside. There's no raffles or drawings.

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Speaker 1: You just come here, you purchase, and you leave. I

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Speaker 1: love the system. I think it's really beautiful. All my

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Speaker 1: it's Christmas and I deserve nice things. I bought one

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Speaker 1: so excited. I have already planned the outfits. It's I

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Speaker 1: bad back. I'm just excited. I've done. I have all

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Speaker 1: you know, like that's how you getting organized with your drip.

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Speaker 1: Any time you leave the house, now it's time for

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Speaker 1: Stalker and Crenshaw has had many generations. How are they

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Speaker 1: the thing is they come out with anyone every two weeks,

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Speaker 1: So if you miss the color you like, I feel

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Speaker 1: have been eyeing the mint one because it's meant that

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Speaker 1: tell Far, I just feel like a I hear it

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Speaker 1: just by osmosis from the chatter around me. But then

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Speaker 1: small tell Far and Cerulean because that color way is babe.

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Speaker 1: And then you're like causing some people some make making

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Speaker 1: some hard decisions. So Joel, you did mention the New

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Speaker 1: Marvel multiverses. I'm just gonna say it. You don't have

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Speaker 1: I've already seen Spider Man. I'm not saying I can't

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Speaker 1: And they're just like tripling down as they did at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic, when libertarians were like, this

425
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: is not a big deal. It's big government trying to

426
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: scare you. And I think they still are. I mean,

427
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: I guess there's no version of libertarianism that works with

428
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: global pandemic. Right, It's just like I guess you'll die. Yeah,

429
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: but in a vacuum, you know, a very convenient vacuum.

430
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: And even if we see this rapid spread, which is

431
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: the one thing we do know is happening with less severity,

432
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: it's still a lot of people getting sick at the

433
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: same time, taxing hospitals, lots of deaths, it's all the

434
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: all the bed ships that's happened with previous waves. And yeah,

435
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: that the vaccine seems less effective at protecting against it,

436
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: at least for like kind of contracting it. But it

437
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: still seems like the cutting down the severity that's still

438
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: holding because that was always the intent of the vaccine

439
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: was to prevent serious severe illness. Yeah, less effective than

440
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: previous strands. Still it's not like useless for sure. Yeah,

441
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean like on some level, like you hear epidemiologists

442
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: talk about it's like man like, when they saw the

443
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: mutations of the spike proteins, they were like, this is concerning.

444
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: But then they've you know, slightly dialed back that, like

445
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: it was completely monstrous. But the idea that this isn't

446
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: anything to worry about, or that it's because they believe

447
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: or because of the data so farmacic just it could

448
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: be milder that that's a reason to just like carry

449
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: on is completely backwards. And I think we're also seeing

450
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: this like huge I think conflict between what again, what

451
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was saying would be his how he would

452
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: lead the country using science through a pandemic and what

453
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: we're seeing now. And like, I feel a lot of

454
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: people are like, we're not quite following what we need

455
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: to be doing suddenly, and we're becoming more relaxed about

456
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: things when really we should be again possibly reconsidering some

457
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: holiday plans or some indoor gatherings because many, like especially

458
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: experts of you know, rang a light alarm to say

459
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: is definitely worth something to think about. Like I get

460
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: that people are vaccinated, but to think that this isn't

461
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: like we're in the same situation you know, that we

462
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: were in, like the you know, early fall or late

463
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: summer is uh is not is not going to do well. Yeah,

464
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: it seems strange to me that the only thing we

465
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: seem is like they're like, oh, we'll go back to

466
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: wearing your maths indoors for sure, like definitely do that

467
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: and maybe outside too, if you're gonna sort of be

468
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: around people. I just it's like confusing and exactly, I

469
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: think we're all just very very tired, and it would

470
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: behoove us as a nation to be like, what if

471
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: they really did try to just take a knee for

472
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: a minute, but if we really did just say, you

473
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: know what, like to at least two months go indoors,

474
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: like let's really legitimately have some time to your boosters

475
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: will bring back the checks to help people who need

476
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: it through and like let's see if we can really

477
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: like bring this thing down. I just the but you

478
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: just sold her on and be like, oh more people

479
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: are dying. It happens. Is it's still hard for me

480
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: to like wrap my head around even if somebody who

481
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: again wants to go out and like has gone out,

482
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: it's still that's weird. Yeah, that's the thing that like

483
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: to your point, right of it sounds like we're not

484
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: much better off than we were when the first delta

485
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: wave hit, when we were first having lockdowns, that we're

486
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: looking at really bad outcomes like the with especially when

487
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: you look at how much the hospitals are overwhelmed and

488
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: how much that has affected care in every other dimension,

489
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: because hospitals are becoming places where you know, people are

490
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: even quitting because the job has become so difficult to

491
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: deal with on a daily basis. You'd hope that we

492
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: could have another breath to say, Okay, so it's still

493
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: a pandemic. We still have people who, because of their

494
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: workplace or their living situation, are massively more susceptible to

495
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: falling ill. We act, we need to begin to remedy that,

496
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: we need to begin to think of what our contingency

497
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: planning is. But the I mean, we saw the momentum

498
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: for enhanced unemployment benefits just slowly putter out. But along

499
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: with that, we never got to a point where like, Okay,

500
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: the pandemic is over well. And I don't know if you,

501
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: like either of you have like immuno compromised friends, but

502
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: like they can't do anything, like it's it's devastating. Like

503
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: the most we can do is like I quarantined for

504
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: two weeks, and I can come visit you, you know,

505
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: for a day because I'm sure I don't have It'll

506
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: come directly to you and expose some time with you.

507
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Because like they can't go grocery shopping, they can't, like

508
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: we're afraid to even participate in outdoor activities because they

509
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: cannot fight off this disease. Like it's just it's just

510
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: very intense rous too. Again, just leave behind an entire

511
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: group of people and shrug and just be like, well,

512
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out. Yeah. The just the point about,

513
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, the our ability to just move on from

514
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: the deaths and you know, just ignore the fact that

515
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: hospitals are a text and quitting and like it does

516
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of drive drive home again the ways that this

517
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: pandemic has i think highlighted aspects of late capitalism that

518
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: just no longer work or at least have turned so

519
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: monstrous and toxic that like the results are pretty pretty

520
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: fucking stark and kind of hard to ignore at this point,

521
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: which you know, the but all of that is examples

522
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: of our society and our systems ability to remove humans

523
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: from their context and just view them as the deaths

524
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: of statistics. The we view nurses who are quitting and

525
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: drows and doctors who are quitting and drows as like

526
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: a labor force that needs like replenishing, and it's like

527
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: written about as such, and it's like, you know, these

528
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: are people in your community like that, but we've just

529
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the whole system, Like it used to be that this

530
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: was just work and like commerce, and now it's like

531
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: all culture is like kind of ruled by this. All

532
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: communication is now ruled by these massive corporations who are

533
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: just removing us from context and treating us as values

534
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: in a algorithm instead of human beings. And I think

535
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: it's more and more like both, like the society is

536
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: heading in a direction where like we're better and better

537
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: at removing people from context, but like the results are

538
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: getting so bad that I think it's harder and harder

539
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: for people to ignore it, right, Yeah, I mean you

540
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: know that there's a write up today, I think in

541
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: Box that was saying, like, how can people be expected

542
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: to work through the apocalypse? But we're like in an

543
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: omni crisis, you know whatever, You should pick a subject

544
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: and it's fucked up essentially as unless you're like very

545
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: narrowly looking at like, hey, at least you got that

546
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: plumb tell far, you know. And I think those are

547
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: the ways people find some semblance of a way to

548
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: feel fucking good or treat ourselves to something that isn't

549
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: merely looking straight into the void and not wanting our

550
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: heart to collapse in on itself. But I think it's

551
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: also again, I think with omicron, a lot of epidemiologists

552
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: to your point, are saying it will again reveal the

553
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: cracks in our system and our society where you're going

554
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to see, like with boosters, certain areas based on socioeconomic

555
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: numbers aren't going to have better access to boosters. But

556
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: it's but also access for you know, communities with less resources.

557
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: That's going to be a problem, and that's gonna an

558
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: omicron is going to affect those communities. To to still

559
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: think that you might be fine because you got to

560
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: this point in the pandemic by doing this, That and

561
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the other isn't gonna hold up necessarily because yes, this

562
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: is a very different variant, and yeah, I it is.

563
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: It is one of these things where you'd hope that

564
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: more people. It seems like most people who run a

565
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: corporation or company, they're playing like they run their ship,

566
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: like they're playing sim City, you know, like it's so zoomed,

567
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: the it's so zoomed the funk out that you're like that, Okay,

568
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: we need another fire department there, click click click click

569
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: click build it. I don't know, it just happens. I

570
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't have the context to zoom in to

571
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: actually see what's happening on the street level, where it's

572
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: a completely different game and a completely different world. Well,

573
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: in the same way that we can't comprehend how much

574
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: money they actually have. I truly think that they cannot

575
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: comprehend out like people who live paycheck to paycheck actually live,

576
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: and what that existence is like, even if they at

577
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: one point experienced that, they're just so far again, as

578
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you said, like removed from the reality of it. You know,

579
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: with bell Hook's dying, a lot of her work has

580
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: been circulating over the past couple of days, and she

581
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: had this belief that like fantasy as a as a genre,

582
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: as a form of escape, and she tied this also

583
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: to like just are purchasing of things, you know, is

584
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: actively destroying us as a society, And it made me

585
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: feel a little bit bad about my telefire purchase. But

586
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: she had this idea that, like, you know, by grounding

587
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: yourself in reality, it's the only way to bring about

588
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: radical change, right, And I've been thinking about that a

589
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: lot for the past couple of days, because we are

590
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: in a moment that requires radical change, radical being fast

591
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and the exact opposite of what we've been doing, particularly

592
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, not just how we

593
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: treat this pandemic and not just how we're going to

594
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: ratify what copitalism has done to us as a people,

595
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: but also on like a global like um omni crisis, Yes,

596
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: back to the omni crisis, And I just I wonder

597
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: if we have the ability specifically as Americans to divorce

598
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: ourselves from that fantasy. As a person who's obsessed with

599
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: fantasy both as a genre and as a form of

600
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: a scape, by myself trying to escape from reality a lot,

601
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: whether it's through purchases, whether it's through my love of

602
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Marvel and other television series, whether it's you know, even

603
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: through my work. You know, as much as I I

604
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: want to turn over capitalist system, I'm also obsessed with

605
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: my work. Has spent a lot, a lot, a lot

606
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: of hours on my work. And I just don't know

607
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: if we're prepared, and I don't know how fast we

608
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: can get prepared to actually make a difference to face

609
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: our reality, right, because on some level, right we need

610
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: the radical like you think about the radical change we

611
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: need at a governmental level, right just to even dial

612
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: back the idea that corporations can buy and sell Congress

613
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: people like that, that would require drastic change and change

614
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: that the people who are going to be affected by it.

615
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: It directly affects them. I don't have much faith that

616
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to implement something that completely

617
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: changes the power dynamic in which like how elections are one.

618
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: So then you're like, m hmm, Okay, that's kind of difficult,

619
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: and I you'd hate that. Like the real grim nature

620
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: of how unforgiving and how brutal and barbaric like this

621
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: system is like has to touch you before you might

622
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: begin to have a change of heart about something, because

623
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: there are many people who are very invested in a

624
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: system that aren't able to see that it's directly contributing

625
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: to their lack of resources. And I gues think from

626
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: the system is so hard. It's going to take actual

627
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: like you have to You're going to have to sacrifice

628
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: and truly truly invest in that sacrifice in order to

629
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: divest from this system. And that's really hard asking people

630
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: to willingly take less, you know, asking people to will

631
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: only give up the status that they value in I

632
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: just I just don't know if we're going to get there.

633
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot about the idea of like on

634
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: demand manufacturing, which is something I've only recently kind of learned,

635
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: is the new like model of capitalism is the new

636
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: way that people make things is that you have to

637
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: react quickly and start manufacturing like based on demand, but

638
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Speaker 1: you never have like a stockpile that's sitting in the

639
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Speaker 1: warehouse because it's like it cuts margins a little bit.

640
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: And this was adopted as like the more profitable way

641
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: to do things. And you know, we've been in a

642
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: global pandemic now for almost two years and the way

643
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: that the economy has reacted is to just stick with

644
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: that and still like not have the stockpile necessary for

645
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: like massive spikes. They basically just like baked the death

646
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: into the system and just been like all right, well,

647
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: I guess we're willing to live with that, rather than

648
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, building the stockpiles that are needed adding a

649
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: bunch of nurses and doctors to the system to get

650
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: ready for the next pandemic or be ready when this

651
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: pandemic spikes spikes up again, like we've had the time

652
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: to do that. But like there's just the inertia of

653
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: like the this current system and like even like new

654
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of versions of this system just get locked in

655
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: and like it's like you can't fucking break out of it.

656
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: It's it's really like the You know, some people talk

657
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: about capitalism being the like sort of artificial intelligence that

658
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: we we're afraid of in our sci fi movies, But

659
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's already everywhere, it's already impossible to defeat,

660
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: and it's actually but it's like a system that can't

661
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: be controlled and anticipates any attempt to contain it. And

662
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: that that just that example specifically like makes me makes

663
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: me realize, like how how hard this is to to defeat.

664
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Speaker 1: Where we have a type of manufacturing that is like

665
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: marginally more profitable and we can't get people to stop

666
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: doing it even though we're in the middle of a

667
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: pandemic and it killed a bunch of people, and and

668
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I think they just to sum that all up, and

669
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: you think about, like, okay, well who has the ability

670
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: to do it. It's elected officials, unfortunately, I guess in

671
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: a legislative sense. I mean, if we were more organized,

672
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: then who knows, there's really no limit to what people

673
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: could do collectively. But and currently the way things are

674
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: in we have to look at our the leaders in

675
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: d C who already are articulating that they cannot fucking

676
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: evolve at all, Like Nancy Pelosi was asked, very directly,

677
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: should fucking members of Congress and their spouse is be

678
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: allowed to hold and trade fucking stock while in office?

679
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: And she said, this is a free this quote, this

680
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: is a free market, and people, we are a free

681
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: market economy. They should be able to participate in that.

682
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: That's already you know, like that's already just like something

683
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: that seems like low hanging fruit. Hey, can you not

684
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: fucking trade stocks when you're in office and you maybe

685
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: have your ear to the street in a way that

686
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: other people might not and be able to profit off

687
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: of your position. The answer is, ah, come on, now, come,

688
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: we still have a generation stuck on equality and not equity,

689
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: and has that bridge this gap which I feel like

690
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: we've been talking about for at least the past fifteen years,

691
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: very openly, as sinctly and clearly so that school children

692
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: can understand it that there's a difference between everybody gets

693
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: to do something and this is a society that allows

694
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: everyone to live in a fair and consistent manner. Yeah, frustrating, nancy, frustrating,

695
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: not great, not great, great, find a new angle. All right,

696
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

697
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: talk about some pop culture ship and we're back, and

698
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: so we do. We do like to keep an eye

699
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: on the box office, you know, to see what people

700
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: are watching and what they aren't watching. And this past weekend,

701
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: people were surprised by how few people rushed out to

702
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the theaters to see Steven Spielberg's West Side Story, like

703
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: just great reviews, great word of mouth, and it got

704
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: it pulled in ten million in North America ticket sales,

705
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: which is you know, it cost over a hundred billions,

706
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: so they were definitely hoping for more than that, you know,

707
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: just from abroad like kind of entertainment reporting, since they

708
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: are comparing it to previous like Spielberg movies, which tend

709
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: to be like sci fi and not like he's never

710
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: done a musical before, and musicals tend to have really

711
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: long legs because people like to go see them or

712
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: they here start hearing the song. And that movie, The

713
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: Greatest Showman starring Hugh Grant was like started out somewhat

714
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: disappointing at the box office, and I think it ended

715
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: up making like three hundred something million, even more than

716
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: that four hundred thirty seven million and worldwide ticket sales

717
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: by the end, and it was a terrible movie. Yeah,

718
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: and it was bad, so maybe maybe there's hope for

719
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: this West Side Story movie. But of course, right wing

720
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: outlets like right bart were quick to lay the blame

721
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: solely on Steven Spielberg's raging wokeness because go on, well,

722
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: you know the guys, uh, you know, indeed people are

723
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: literal monsters. Uh, that guy is supposedly just too woke.

724
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think they're pointing to the casting of actual,

725
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: like people who are Puerto Rican to play Puerto Ricans

726
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: except for Maria, right, except for Maria, which I know, Like,

727
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were feeling some type

728
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: of way about that where they're like, almost did it

729
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: almost so close? So close? I mean, she has Colombian Americans,

730
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: so I guess you know, it's not like having like

731
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: a white person in brown face or right. But I mean,

732
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that was another thing where a lot of

733
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: people were like, you there for all the other points

734
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: that like they were hitting. I think other people were like,

735
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: if you know, if if we're gonna actually have like

736
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: advisors on making everything authentic as possible, like why not

737
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, honor the character's origin and why not replace

738
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Ansel L. Gore with Tig Nataro like we already did

739
00:41:53,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: with Christliah and that one actually movie absolutely Tony, oh

740
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: my goodness, yeah, just so dry. And the musical it

741
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: would you like, Charls completely upended what we even thought

742
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: of musical. Also, ansel Il Gordon is like already inadvertently

743
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: dead pan and dry. So sorry, go ahead, yeah, nope not,

744
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: You're not incorrect there what they have found a better

745
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: way to say that. They did not say it's eloquently

746
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: when Shoan Chi came out. But diversity doesn't sell. This

747
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: is what they're trying to say. And they've been seeing

748
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: it for a while and they I think they really

749
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: revel in the idea that if a movie has a

750
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: cast that is not predominantly Caucasian, that they're like, see,

751
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: no one wants your diverse bullshit. What we want it's

752
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: more white people, which is beyond ridiculous. I think there's

753
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: a number of reasons West Side Story isn't doing as

754
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: well as they hope straight out the gate. One. I

755
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: think the advertising for it has been that of a

756
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: traditional musical, which is the wrong way to go in

757
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: a YouTube generation. The theater kids have never stopped loving

758
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: theater ever, period, they will come see these movies. Grandmas

759
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: and moms are gonna come see this movie. But a

760
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: lot of things have changed over the course of the

761
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: pandemic one. As quickly as we were getting DVDs pre Pandemic,

762
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: we are getting streaming services so much faster. If this

763
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: is the movie you're gonna want to watch over Christmas

764
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: with your family if you can, you're not gonna be

765
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: able to watch this one at home, but you'll be

766
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: able to watch it in a few weeks after this,

767
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: and so like, why not just wait? It's fine too.

768
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: The way it was advertised was very like, here are

769
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: these big scenes, and it's like flashy, as if we

770
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: like just got CinemaScope or technicolor. These are not the

771
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: things that impress so much anymore. What you needed to

772
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: do was release a couple of key scenes, right. Everyone

773
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: says that um Maria not Maria h is the lead

774
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: Maria's bestie cousin, maybe if I remember the movie correctly.

775
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: But woman that plays her character, original character is supposed

776
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: to be like the standout, like the thing she is

777
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: incredible she was in Hamilton's She's Queer. Y'all should have

778
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: leaned with her scene and been like, look at these

779
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: below out stars. The girl play Maria has the loveliest voice.

780
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: I haven't heard a full song yet, I've heard little

781
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: clips of not the most musically impressive, Like as far

782
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: as vocal performance goes, it's it's the classic. On the

783
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 1: balcony scene, we don't have any of the fight scenes

784
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: which are supposed to be so good like all they

785
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: showed us. They advertise it like it's a superhero movie,

786
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: which is the thing. I think there is a problem

787
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: across our freaking landscape of cinema right now. Not everything

788
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: is a superhero movie, and we have to have to

789
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: have to stop. They make money, but they make money,

790
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: and no nobody else has been able to replicate this

791
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: process that Marvel has of like here's an entire cinematic universe,

792
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: and we've had twenty six thousand tries in the past

793
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: five years of people trying to do this, and these

794
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: like no spoiler release, get over a spoiler is not

795
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: that big of a deal because the spoiler is not

796
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: giving you the entire experience of sitting through a movie.

797
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: And because they didn't do any of those things, I

798
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are just like, oh, I'll

799
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: see it shortly, I'll see it later. We are also

800
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: in another way of the pandemic. This is not a

801
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Marvel movie in which you have to see things or

802
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: it will be spoiled. You know the story very very well.

803
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: There's just like a be jillionar reasons why this didn't sell.

804
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: But to blame it on anything other than it's a

805
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: crazy freaking time and we have to wait, I think

806
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: is shortsighted. A lot of people like, oh, the musical

807
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: is dead. No one wants to see musical. I know

808
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: that when Wicked comes out, it is going to cause

809
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: such a frenzy, such a stir in the box office,

810
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: because it's just that type of musical. It's a pop

811
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: musical which tends to lend itself better to film in

812
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: the first place. Right, I think they I think they

813
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: messed up by not having enough air force ones and

814
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: timberlands in the trailers more with or maybe it's just

815
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: what the right is saying, which they're blaming at all,

816
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: was subtitles or lack of subtitles. Yeah, that's why that's

817
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: the thing that is being called out, getting use subtitles

818
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: when Spanish that's spoken. M That's why I got entering

819
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: it on like the American non Spanish speaking person's perspective,

820
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: they have ruined it. But that's the the big failure there.

821
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: Oh look what they're okay, so everybody speaks Spanish year now, okay,

822
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: and that's the problem with Steven Spielberg, who's so damn woke. Yeah,

823
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: but that just feels like a like the easiest attack

824
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: from the right these days is like, oh, yeah, like

825
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: they're not doing well because they're against transphobia, right, huh

826
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: what Yeah, that's that's the I guess that's the dynamic

827
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: they're so desperate to establish. Is that considering other perspectives

828
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: is the you know, the recipe to go straight down

829
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: the tube. Another just point that people are making about

830
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: the box office, like actual people, not people in the

831
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: are saying that the reason it didn't do well in

832
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: the box office is clearly aimed at old people because

833
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: it's a remake of a fifty year old musical. That

834
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: definitely feels like when my dad told me that West

835
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Side Story was his favorite movie as a kid, I

836
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was so surprised. I was so surprised.

837
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: But it's not like a movie that, like, you know,

838
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: everybody like knows the snapping and stuff like that, but

839
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: it's not a movie that I feel like people I

840
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: don't know talk that much about anymore. Like that had

841
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: a cultural like a huge cultural legacy, and I mean

842
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: it has a cultural legacy, but I guess it's I

843
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: would say it's the third favorite movie culture icon Ira

844
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: his favorite movie of all time. I really feel like

845
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: it has like a lasting It's it's really everyone loves

846
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: the story of Romeo and Juliette Jack, but I think

847
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I've never heard of them. Romeo and Juliet. They sound

848
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: like a lovely couple. But I guess I'm just saying,

849
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: like it's not this thing that everyone was like, oh ship,

850
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Speaker 1: they're making West Side Story like other than like people

851
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: who are older, like that felt like a bigger or

852
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: of the palate and interest in musicals and things like that.

853
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I I acknowledge how like gigantic West Side

854
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: Stories because I felt like in the eighties and nineties,

855
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: like in my school music classes, like that's all the

856
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: teacher would talk about, and then West Side Story You're like, okay,

857
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to learn the trumpet, but that was

858
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: your teacher and all you keep talking about Yeah, right, right,

859
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is the pandemic. During the pandemic,

860
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: older audiences understandably haven't gone to movies, and so that

861
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: is like the very easy and obvious reason that this

862
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: didn't do that great. And it's not the thing that

863
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: Breitbart is going to tell you about, right and even

864
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: like to Joel's one, like, I'll watch it when it's

865
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: streaming because that the you know, the barrier to entry

866
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: is much lower, and it's just merely like, oh yeah,

867
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: like I actually kind of want to see this because

868
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really curious, Like visually it looks really

869
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: really cool. And that's the thing more than because I'm

870
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: not really a fan of musicals, but I'm like, no, no,

871
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: I like, I like how this looks. I like I

872
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: like the vibe I'm getting from the screen. So I

873
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: think the first musical, oh my gosh, like just from

874
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: as a cinophile, like you, like, I have to know

875
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: how what did he do? Yes? Yeah, alright, well real quick,

876
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: we do wanna explain the truth about the modern world

877
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: to you, and conspiracy theorists have cracked the code by

878
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: pointing out that there is a mostly forgotten game for

879
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: Dreamcast failed console that I think only released like one

880
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: wave of games, and then they were like, oh that

881
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: you're not will Hey, but shout out to Dreamcast because

882
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: those games are so pirate and it was everything. Yeah,

883
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: if you had it, I got one because the homies

884
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: at high school could get you any game for like

885
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: the cost of a CDR. Good. Anyway, I digress, but anyways,

886
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: in they kind of gave us a little peak, a

887
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: little pinhole look into the truth behind the veil the

888
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: world as the Illuminati know it with the game I'm

889
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: Acron the nomad soul I'm Kron. You're saying, how, how

890
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: the fun did they know the future? And you know,

891
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: the truth is that it's because they're the Illuminati is real,

892
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: or because it's an actual letter in the Greek alphabet.

893
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Forget about that part. Go back to the part where

894
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: they predicted the future. Yeah, so I gotta low past

895
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: that detail that blows apart this conspiracy theory. So they

896
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: thought up of the world an go on. Yes, they

897
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: came up with the word and then and then also

898
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: the virus actually told scientists what its name was. Scientists

899
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't give the virus that name, So that's what's so amazing.

900
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: It's like, how did they predict it? The because the

901
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: virus was like, Hey, what's up, I'm I'm acron mom. Yes,

902
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: like that game. Hint, hint. But so the thing that

903
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: was notable about the game at the time is that

904
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: David Bowie not only did the music, he's in it

905
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of it's like a blue fact simile of his

906
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: face surrounded by what looks like a bunch of post

907
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: it notes, right, Like, it's just very poorly rendered. It

908
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: looks like Jack He's punched into the internet man, right, right, Yeah,

909
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like somebody was like Jack,

910
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: me into the game and U this is the result.

911
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: He plays a character called Bos and the players try

912
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: to save their own soul while hunting down a serial killer.

913
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: And it features demons, government conspiracies, and ancient religious orders.

914
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: So I mean, did Q and on write this game

915
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: or did this game? Right? Thank you? But people have

916
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: latched onto the fact that this game was released by

917
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: Bill Gates himself. He was the head of Microsoft. Well,

918
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: a company that was a subsidiary of Microsoft developed the game. No, no, no,

919
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: it's come on, no, I don't like that detail personally

920
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: designed this ship called Amicron because he's letting people know

921
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: his plans in advance through a video game that you

922
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: just have to stare out long enough for the details

923
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: to come up. Yeah, well I just gotta let him know.

924
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little, a little trick he's playing

925
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: on us. You know, he's like, he's like one of

926
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: the villains in a Sherlock Holmes thing. Where are there

927
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: like within the game. I mean, there's always gonna be

928
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: stuff that conspiracy theorist point is like it's nailed on man. Well, yeah,

929
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: part how could you deny this? Yeah? Kind of even

930
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: that sort of I mean that's so tangentially. People have

931
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: pointed out that David Bowie also predicted the future because

932
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: on his Ziggy Stardust album cover he stay ending under

933
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: a sign that says k West on the cover okay,

934
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: which is obviously a reference to Kanye West, which he

935
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: like brought with him from the future to create and

936
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: change the face of music. Yeah, that's that's the best

937
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: that I got. There's also a theory that Bowie faked

938
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: his own death because you know, when he died. Sky

939
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: Sky News in the UK interviewed the music music industry

940
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: executive who looks exactly like David Bowie. Yeah, in a way,

941
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: it's almost like a joke. Yeah, it's like if David

942
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: Bowie tried to address as like a dude who had

943
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: no David Bowie swag at all. He even mentions that

944
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: the news of Bowie's death makes it feel like a

945
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: part of himself died too, which is just like all right,

946
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, come on, y'all. I mean I

947
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: do like though that with the Ziggie Stardust thing is

948
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: that there's like that track five years on it and

949
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: they're being like, almost five years to the day after

950
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: Ziggy Stardust was released, Kanye Omari West was born. I mean,

951
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: now I do have Now I do have this bumps. Actually,

952
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: all right, that actually did it for me. But anyways, yeah,

953
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: David Bowie, Bill gets clearly teamed up to give us

954
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: just this strain of the coronavirus. Weird that they just

955
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: focused on this strain to tease. But anyways, Joel, you

956
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: seem stunned by by all the truth I'm dropping on

957
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: you here. I don't know if you guys know, I'm

958
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: a huge um fan of Bowie's last album, Black Star

959
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Yea and so I was trying to see if I

960
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: could deepen the conspiracy because there's a lot of like

961
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: hidden messages about his death, particularly in the song Lazarous

962
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: Girl Loves Me has some very interesting themes that could

963
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: potentially you know, it's a lot about sort of hi

964
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: ing and all of a sudden, I couldn't do it.

965
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: I could, my brain is not as fast it's these

966
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: conspiracy folks. But I think that if you want to

967
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: deepen the conspiracy and you're interested in this, she just

968
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: definitely check out Black Star and just try to go

969
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: deeper on this. Bowie was leaving us messages everywhere. I

970
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: believe in the video game. I believe in Black Star.

971
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I hope that Bowie is not part of them. Maybe

972
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to warn us about it.

973
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, it's coming. It's gonna be the

974
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: one you really got to pay attention to, Like this

975
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: eighth version, fourth third, I don't know how many versions

976
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: in of Corona we're in, but whatever it is, he

977
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: was like, this is when you really need to be

978
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: paying attention. Well, Joel as always such a pleasure having you.

979
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? Yeah? Let

980
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: me can follow me? All over the internet at dual Monique.

981
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: That's j O E L L E m O n

982
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Speaker 1: I q u E. I forgot to grab a tweet.

983
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: Damn it, hold on, oh I got it okay. Paramount

984
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: Pictures tweeted out book, Tatum and Radcliffe introduced the official

985
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: trailer for The Lost City. If you guys like Romancing

986
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: the Stone, it's back, but Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum

987
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: and Dana Radcliffe in it. Danna Radcliffe plays a bad guy,

988
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: Book is the writer, and Tatum is a romance cover

989
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: star Alla Faggio who wants to save Sandra Bullock because

990
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: he's in love with her. My favorite part about this

991
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: tweet is Brad Pitt also makes a very important cameo

992
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: in this trailer, and he is not mentioned in this

993
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: tweet at all. If you haven't seen Romancing the Stone,

994
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: please go get your whole life. It is so so

995
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: it's deeply funny, like aside funny, and this trailer I

996
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: literally cannot wait for March twenty five. It feels like

997
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: an older like classic. You guys know, I'm really into

998
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: nineties and eighties films. Not to be that person, but

999
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: I am. And it has those vibes. It's like weird

1000
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: and cheesy and goofy but funny and also has a

1001
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: huge freaking budget. I can't wait. Velocity looks Look, It's

1002
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna be so good. It's also about Velocity of d

1003
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: is the name of her book, which is funny if

1004
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: you like Selocity of Dick. It's a romance novel. It's

1005
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: gonna be great. It's gonna be so good. Miles, where

1006
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?

1007
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray

1008
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: and also the other podport twenty day Fiance with Alexandra

1009
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: talking ninety day. Um. Some tweets that I like, Uh,

1010
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: this is this one from at Jesse Case tweeting it

1011
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: would be hilarious if alcohol had gotten stronger since the sixties,

1012
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: like we did. Your dad tries to sip of cores

1013
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: light and passes out. It's like, since it's always the

1014
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: refrain whenever I've like burned up with older people, it's

1015
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: like like whoa, whoa, whoa, this isn't like back then. Um,

1016
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, could you imagine if somehow our tolerance for

1017
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: now actually know that'd be a hellscape If you had

1018
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: a sip of a Coors light and then passed up.

1019
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean if it if it actually made

1020
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: them pass out instead of being insanely drunk, that would

1021
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: actually be not the worst thing in the world. Alright,

1022
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: that was actually mine. But I will also uh yeah,

1023
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Michael Benjamin MF. Benji tweet me, it's cold, worst person

1024
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: you've ever met? You think this is cold? I'm from

1025
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: and the hin parentheses by this point, I've turned off

1026
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: from Chicago B And it is not that cold. I

1027
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: would be that worst person. I don't care. Are have

1028
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: you not been cold at all this since this? Uh? Okay?

1029
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: Because I bet it's relative right, because I bet part

1030
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: of you, your your body gets used to this Californian this,

1031
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: and you forget your miles. I was trying to make

1032
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: a point, but there was frost on the roofs yesterday.

1033
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: I had to turn the heater on. My father disowned me.

1034
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed back in the city of Chicago. Now.

1035
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: It's over for me. But also I am like, I'm

1036
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: mentally aware that it's not that cold, but physically my

1037
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: body refuses to accept that that. I did have to

1038
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: put a blanket on there. You go okay appreciation. All right, Well,

1039
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Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

1040
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at daily Zi. Guys,

1041
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: we're at the Daily Like used on Instagram, we have

1042
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: Facebook fan page and website daily sis dot com where

1043
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: we put our episodes and our footnotes where we link

1044
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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

1045
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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,

1046
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Speaker 1: What's song do we think people might enjoy? It? Just

1047
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: some good old fashioned instrumental music from the Jabs, James

1048
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Brown's backing band. Uh. Shock full of fantastic musicians in

1049
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Speaker 1: their own right. I mean, you know Maceo Parker heard

1050
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: a Maco party, heard of Maco in the Max anyway,

1051
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: but yes, very talented band. But this track is called

1052
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: Theme from King Heroin and it's just a great track

1053
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: of just again with the with the weather and the

1054
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: indoor nature of our current season. This this is something

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Speaker 1: nice to have in the background, has got sold to.

1056
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Speaker 1: It's got a little bit of funk to it. It's

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