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Speaker 1: We got a great episode for you today with the
Speaker 1: legend Twister. That's right. You know, I've been dming Twisted
Speaker 1: for the better part of the last three or four years,
Speaker 1: and we finally have linked up. I was trying to
Speaker 1: get him to come on the radio show when I
Speaker 1: was on with DJ Head, trying to get him go
Speaker 1: on the podcast. He finally came to LA. We sat down.
Speaker 1: He's got a new EP out, and man, we just
Speaker 1: talk about history. Twist is a historical artist. He's a
Speaker 1: legendary artist. He's been a part of a lot of
Speaker 1: legendary moments in hip hop. So we discussed all of
Speaker 1: that shit and much more. So that's coming up. A
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Speaker 1: don't say that lightly. Twist this here, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: You're a fucking legend, bro, appreciate it. Hey, man, listen,
Speaker 1: I just want to say I've been trying. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've been dming you probably for about six months,
Speaker 1: trying to be like, yeah when you come to LA man,
Speaker 1: like it's been a while. Man, I know, we always
Speaker 1: like trying to lock in GLA and then when I
Speaker 1: was at the radio station, I mean I've probably been
Speaker 1: dming you longer than that because were trying to get
Speaker 1: you on the radio station and shit, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: good to have you here though. Bro. Man, man, it's
Speaker 1: a hey, better late than never. Run one hundred percent, Man,
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You have so much just historical legacy in
Speaker 1: the game. Bro. You know what I'm saying, It's been
Speaker 1: a long time. Let's started. Like obviously, I remember I
Speaker 1: first heard you probably it was probably around like ninety
Speaker 1: nine when I was like a kid and you already
Speaker 1: you know, moving and shaking. But it was it was
Speaker 1: a I think the first song I probably ever heard you,
Speaker 1: I really it was probably pop Pemp Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: digging into all the other shit, the speeding up mobsters
Speaker 1: and all that, you know what I'm saying. So like
Speaker 1: during that era in Chicago hip hop, this was before
Speaker 1: the drill shit, I felt like it was like what
Speaker 1: you were doing a crucial conflict was doing. And then
Speaker 1: on the other side of the token, it was like
Speaker 1: common sense in the Resurrection and you know, and Solt.
Speaker 1: It always just felt like Chicago has always kind of
Speaker 1: been two sides sonically at all times. It was like
Speaker 1: like south side West side. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: you know, shout to the north side too, but you know,
Speaker 1: mostly like a south side West side thing, not really
Speaker 1: intuit with each other, but just you know, two different
Speaker 1: vibes a little bit when it came to music, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what is it that inspired you to wrap the
Speaker 1: way you rap originally? Because you you know, I always
Speaker 1: have this talk with UH, with the homie rints that
Speaker 1: when it comes to the like Tech nine two, we've
Speaker 1: we've talked about you a lot when it comes to chopping.
Speaker 1: There's nobody who can UH really like you, like when
Speaker 1: you wrap, it's so clean. Some people can rap fast,
Speaker 1: but it's really hard to understand. Like you enunciate so
Speaker 1: perfectly every single like it's it's like, to me, that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. That that's that's the limit of it
Speaker 1: is how clear can you say your words at a
Speaker 1: certain pace or k you know, so to me, that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. It's a complete package. And once once
Speaker 1: one is over the other one, then you're not really
Speaker 1: doing it the right way. But when did you start
Speaker 1: to master that, like and what were the influences that
Speaker 1: kind of made you decide to start rapping that way?
Speaker 1: This was early on just really because I was doing
Speaker 1: so many, so many rhymes where I'm having punchlines and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and like more into battles like the
Speaker 1: younger stage, you know, and I wanted to sound different,
Speaker 1: make something different, make a song, or just a new flow.
Speaker 1: So I started like changing up the flow and making
Speaker 1: different patterns. And then every once in a while, you were,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, coming up the street and not be
Speaker 1: backing into the beat, and then just a little more,
Speaker 1: then a little more, and then you start to hear
Speaker 1: a few other rappers doing it here and there, you know,
Speaker 1: oh man. And then one day I just decided I
Speaker 1: want to make a whole song like that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I always make little phrases like that. Let me make
Speaker 1: a whole song like that, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: started making songs like mister Tongue Twisters. That's crazy? So
Speaker 1: what year? What year was mister tongue twister? Man? A
Speaker 1: long time ago, like ninety one or something like that.
Speaker 1: Ninety one. That's so crazy. You know, it's crazy too,
Speaker 1: because I think it was ninety one. I was, I
Speaker 1: was four now. But what's crazy is uh? Like I
Speaker 1: remember as a kid like there was like this. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a bee for weird energy
Speaker 1: between you boys in Chicago and the Bone Thugs guys.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It was kind of like I think they
Speaker 1: might have said something on Art of War. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was Art of War, right, it was on
Speaker 1: that album, like all of the all of the early
Speaker 1: early app was that that had that style at some
Speaker 1: form or time got out their body a little bit, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was like no, you bite me, you bite me?
Speaker 1: Well I was doing it first. Yeah, we all got
Speaker 1: out of our body a little bit about that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. So that was that was early on when
Speaker 1: you know, we all were trying to stay claim at
Speaker 1: a certain vibe, not realizing that we were all the
Speaker 1: founders of a certain sound facts people. You know, once
Speaker 1: we started to realize how many people we influenced, then
Speaker 1: that's when we realized that we were all brothers in
Speaker 1: the sex who who who said something first? Back then,
Speaker 1: like who took the first? So you were the first? Okay,
Speaker 1: so it was you first? Yeah? Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: kicked it off first. I think I saw a crazy
Speaker 1: bone when we was doing a video for Spit Your Game. Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah I remember, Yo, that's crazy. Yeah, because years later
Speaker 1: you guys end up working on that together. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to crazy. You know, all of them are
Speaker 1: eyes though you know, yeah, that's dope. Yeah, that's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: As we think about like how rap beef is now,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not a lot of mature and getting
Speaker 1: PASTI it anymore, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and then then there is some you know, so hopefully
Speaker 1: hopefully a lot of the younger cats look at the
Speaker 1: way we moved a little bit and kind of kind
Speaker 1: of follow suit. You know, when did you realize that
Speaker 1: you had something like because we I think every rapper
Speaker 1: has a you know, whether it's back then getting your
Speaker 1: demo in the right person's hand, or hearing your record
Speaker 1: on the radio, or when was the first instance where
Speaker 1: you realize like, oh I could really like make real
Speaker 1: money off this rap shit. Man, I probably can't remember
Speaker 1: the first. The first probably entering entering h contests back then,
Speaker 1: you know, because this was how I first got on.
Speaker 1: It's like just getting in contests and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I think it was maybe me and my guy
Speaker 1: Creed getting in the show U one day or should
Speaker 1: I say, a contest and did a song and got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to record them. You know, once people start
Speaker 1: paying for stuff, right, once you saw people paid money
Speaker 1: for it to see me. Yeah, paid to see a
Speaker 1: show or something like that. You know, things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild. So you ended up putting out Adrenaline Rush. Uh.
Speaker 1: You were kind of like a I don't want to
Speaker 1: call you an underground favorite, but you were kind of
Speaker 1: like a you had like a dope Colt following and
Speaker 1: hip hop. I remember when the Uh Paid in full
Speaker 1: soundtrack Slash Rock Rockefeller album came out. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like a double disc album, and that was
Speaker 1: the first time that I it was the We Are
Speaker 1: the Champions record and the way the way Dame brought
Speaker 1: you in on that record was so legendary. And you
Speaker 1: just came. You caught a fucking body and I think
Speaker 1: I might have saw it was like maybe a video
Speaker 1: you or something in Chicago getting the Rockefeller chain put
Speaker 1: on you. Uh, it wasn't Chicago. It was somewhere. It
Speaker 1: was on stage though, right it was on stage, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that was that was an a dope vibe
Speaker 1: right there. Shout out to the homie. Dang. Yeah. How
Speaker 1: did talk about how your relationship with Rockefeller started? Just
Speaker 1: early on a little bit of everything. I will say
Speaker 1: Kanye Dame and Jay all in some form of fashion
Speaker 1: just just had something to do with me being involved
Speaker 1: with Rockefeller of course Jay, you know, with him being
Speaker 1: who he is and us doing what we did with
Speaker 1: like uh you know, uh is that your chick popping tags? Right?
Speaker 1: Just like that? And then of course Yay having that
Speaker 1: vibe and bring bringing me along in that whole vibe,
Speaker 1: and then even with that vibe, but like dang with
Speaker 1: the Champions joint. So yeah, it was crazy. Everybody I
Speaker 1: was cool with all of that. Was h Did you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Kanye first because of the Chicago
Speaker 1: share or did you It's not really like have a relationship,
Speaker 1: but before he became Kanye West per se, he was
Speaker 1: already cool. He was already cool. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: kick it a lot or nothing like that, but we
Speaker 1: always was around each other, especially on the music scene,
Speaker 1: you know in Chicago. So so yeah, yeah, it's crazy
Speaker 1: because you mentioned is that your chicken and popping tags?
Speaker 1: Those are some crazy joints, crazy features. Is that your
Speaker 1: chick is Like I think that's one of those records
Speaker 1: that it's forgotten it hip hop, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like we forgot rocking that joint. That joint is fucking
Speaker 1: That ship is a classic, man, that's my joint. That's
Speaker 1: the I think it's the hardest Memphis Bleak record. That ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: shout out, I mean shout out to Bleak, but that's
Speaker 1: shout out to the homie Bleak. So who So originally,
Speaker 1: what made you decide to go to rock? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously at the time, it probably wasn't hard to make
Speaker 1: the Rockefeller decision because it's the hardest crew and hip
Speaker 1: hop at the moment, right, Yeah, yeah, we was rocking. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was loving it. You know, that whole vibe. To
Speaker 1: be around that team at that time period was definitely
Speaker 1: a plus, you know, and then to be vibing with
Speaker 1: him was a whole other thing. So so it was cool.
Speaker 1: What was give me like a Rockefeller story, man, one
Speaker 1: that like just being being around that era, being around
Speaker 1: Hole during that time something that we like people might
Speaker 1: not know, just like a crazy experience that you had
Speaker 1: back then. Just always weirded out at Jay's prediction ability,
Speaker 1: how he would look up and say, you know that
Speaker 1: slow Jams was gonna be a hit, and then it
Speaker 1: would it would happen. And then like me writing Is
Speaker 1: This the End? That song with P Diddy? And when
Speaker 1: I did that song and walking in the room with
Speaker 1: Jay and P Diddy chopping it up and we were talking.
Speaker 1: We started talking about the is this the End joint?
Speaker 1: And I remember how how I was doing that joint.
Speaker 1: I was faded writing that joint, you know, so like
Speaker 1: real faded, and I had some good weed that I
Speaker 1: never had before. So I wrote that joint and everything.
Speaker 1: So we was in there talking about it and was
Speaker 1: looking at it, and he just looked at it. He
Speaker 1: was he was high when you wrote that, So it
Speaker 1: was just but it was strange because I was real
Speaker 1: high when I wrote that, so for some reason about
Speaker 1: the flow, he knew I was high. The Origin of
Speaker 1: the Slow Jams is a record that I distinctly remember,
Speaker 1: like being in high school and and that being like
Speaker 1: my favorite record. You know, that was a record that
Speaker 1: was it was early Kanye as far as you know,
Speaker 1: that was like one of Kanye's early earliest records. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was like through the Wire and then
Speaker 1: that came and and that just kind of added to
Speaker 1: his allure and that was really that was really like,
Speaker 1: was that like your first hit record? As far as
Speaker 1: like radio like solo radio level. Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was like the biggest record of my career, hands down.
Speaker 1: Overnight Celebrity was nice too, though, Man, that was that
Speaker 1: was the joint, you know, that was something to have
Speaker 1: to come with. Yeah, the whole the vibe of that,
Speaker 1: you know. So I got lucky being able to come
Speaker 1: with that one and him going as hard on the
Speaker 1: beat as he was able. It was crazy. Now, but
Speaker 1: Slow Jams tell us about that record? How was it made?
Speaker 1: Like what were the origins of that record? Like, like
Speaker 1: like Slow Jams was something that was a vibe that
Speaker 1: U Yay already had. He already just just had the
Speaker 1: whole aura of it. He had the beat, He had
Speaker 1: an idea of what he wanted me to do, so
Speaker 1: you know, me obviously knowing what I'm hearing is like
Speaker 1: like dope as hell, you know, not not knowing it
Speaker 1: was gonna beat that fucking beat, but I'm I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta body this, so I'm doing my thing on it.
Speaker 1: But then he put Jamie on it and the way
Speaker 1: it all came together and that was like right, that
Speaker 1: was like peak Jamie as an artist too, or really
Speaker 1: I feel like that is what really kind of kicked
Speaker 1: off people taking Jamie serious as a singer. It was
Speaker 1: that song. That song was because that was before Unpredictable,
Speaker 1: that was before that his album. That was like the
Speaker 1: very first time that we were like, oh Jamie Fox
Speaker 1: could sing. Yeah, That's what turned it on to me
Speaker 1: for us music career. He always was talented to of course,
Speaker 1: of course that record coming out like turned it on
Speaker 1: and launched that opportunity. And you say, Jay called that
Speaker 1: record he knew it was gonna be a hit when
Speaker 1: you were around Yay early did did? Did he? I mean,
Speaker 1: because I always tell people who aren't like real hardcore
Speaker 1: Kanye fans, is Kanye has always been oh you some
Speaker 1: water something? Is there some water in there? I always
Speaker 1: tell people who haven't followed Kanye West until recently over
Speaker 1: the last ten years that, like, Kanye has always been
Speaker 1: a very confident dude. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, it's obviously magnified a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, but I feel like Kanye has always kind
Speaker 1: of been a mad scientist. Yeah, yeah, for sure, mad scientists, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like working with him, because you were working with him
Speaker 1: that was before college dropout right, Yeah, that was before
Speaker 1: Slow James was BEFO calls dropout for that released. You know,
Speaker 1: I already had a vibe of of how he worked
Speaker 1: and and and just what he do because I was
Speaker 1: around him when he was making beats early on, you know,
Speaker 1: so I was I would always know that his sound
Speaker 1: was very unique. His choice of music was like a
Speaker 1: like a DJ, almost like a you know, it felt
Speaker 1: like a DJ. I was like, man, he knows the records.
Speaker 1: You So, yeah, he was always dope to talk about
Speaker 1: to Cameron. So Cam has always paid homage to the
Speaker 1: shy he used to live there. Yeah, he on Purple Haze,
Speaker 1: he re redid adrenaline Rush and you you caught a
Speaker 1: fucking body on that. What is it about Cam in Chicago?
Speaker 1: And like just the homage and the and the respect
Speaker 1: he's always shown. Man, it's it's been I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been dope to see over the over the last however
Speaker 1: many years. I just feel like, you know, it's an
Speaker 1: old saying where they say real recognized real, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just think, uh, you know, the vibes really
Speaker 1: you know, like like like where he from and how
Speaker 1: he get down and shot town people and how they
Speaker 1: get down. And then just cam being a person that
Speaker 1: moved around though he was in Ohio at one point,
Speaker 1: chilling doing his thing too, like Chicago as well as
Speaker 1: other places. So him being a fan of my music
Speaker 1: as well me being a fan of his music. It
Speaker 1: was real dope when he came because he was in
Speaker 1: Chicago and we actually sat right there in each other's
Speaker 1: face and talked about doing that record. So he did
Speaker 1: he come to you? And when he when he came
Speaker 1: to you, was he like, y'all, I want to remake
Speaker 1: this for purple Hats. Yeah, he had a mastermind already.
Speaker 1: He knew exactly what the fuck you wanted. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's what made the record so fun, was because he
Speaker 1: knew exactly how he wanted. That's wild, yo. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. With Kamakazi being a classic record, right,
Speaker 1: that was your only album on Rockefeller, I didn't actually
Speaker 1: have an album, so that album wasn't So what was
Speaker 1: your situation with him because you had to ain't on
Speaker 1: you had the features you know that it was it
Speaker 1: was It was pretty much more like a family vibe. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that we could have took further, but at the time.
Speaker 1: I was on Atlantic Records, right, I knew that album
Speaker 1: came out through Atlantic. I didn't know Rock, so it didn't.
Speaker 1: So you technically never dropped an album album through Rockefeller. Damn,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So that was just some family ties ship,
Speaker 1: like hey, you're part of the gang. Here's the change,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, definitely, that was far
Speaker 1: as far as we could take it. We would have
Speaker 1: took it further if if the companies could have merged
Speaker 1: the situation. But you know, unfortunately that couldn't happen. So
Speaker 1: I had to keep it moving, keep it moving. Who
Speaker 1: is who were you closest with on the roster because
Speaker 1: there was such a large roster of artists. But you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the young guns. Were talking about all
Speaker 1: the state property beans Memphis, Like who was like your
Speaker 1: your your closest comrade on the Rockefeller roster. Everybody was cool.
Speaker 1: I had a vibe with everybody. I probably kicked it
Speaker 1: the most with with a bleak and Freeway. Freeway is
Speaker 1: a good dude man. Probably kicked it with the most
Speaker 1: shouts to free It's crazy to see the evolution of
Speaker 1: what you got started in the nineties with chopping and
Speaker 1: and and and rapping that way. There's so many dope
Speaker 1: artists who do it. Now, the you know, the logics
Speaker 1: of the world. We mentioned Rits. You know, obviously tech
Speaker 1: nines are o G text tech and getting that bag.
Speaker 1: Who are some artists that that you respect what they
Speaker 1: do when it comes to chopping like that? Damn? Who
Speaker 1: was that I was talking about the day? Damn? Oh man,
Speaker 1: you caught me up on that one too. It's I
Speaker 1: want to remember so hard. I can't remember the name
Speaker 1: of the group though, but definitely the people who you
Speaker 1: name and are still people who I listened to, like
Speaker 1: like Rits and stuff like that. Now, Hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: rit Riz, you and Rich ever talk about doing the
Speaker 1: EP together? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, because he's he's mentioned
Speaker 1: that too, Yes, my boy. So he mentioned it that
Speaker 1: in passing and I was like, hey, you that'd be crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we mentioned it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be in the right space at the right time.
Speaker 1: He's also another one of those guys that raps very fast,
Speaker 1: but like enunciates his words so where it's just like
Speaker 1: if you're listening. You understand every single thing he's saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like you some some some people got a
Speaker 1: funk zoned with it, and then some people, you know,
Speaker 1: they just do it. You know, you gotta have a
Speaker 1: funk zone with it. You know. I want to talk. So,
Speaker 1: so your boy had set me some talking points and
Speaker 1: I had no idea that you a group that that
Speaker 1: that it'll come to me. Okay, Okay, So I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you are a concealed gun carry instructor. Yeahal carrier,
Speaker 1: so official certified us c c A and n R
Speaker 1: A cance Carry instructor. Yeah, and you started a new
Speaker 1: gun safety company called the Gun Camp. This is in Chicago. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm because I'm I'm a proponent. I'm a pretty
Speaker 1: liberal dude, but I'm very very you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like we should all have a right to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. How did you get involved
Speaker 1: in in that? Because I would never in my wildest
Speaker 1: dreams picture you know, man, Like, I've always been into firearms.
Speaker 1: But then when I got my concealed carry, my boy
Speaker 1: Eddie trained me to get my concealed carry license. And
Speaker 1: then when I wanted to be an instructor. My boy
Speaker 1: Creative Can trained me. Uh my Creative trained me to
Speaker 1: be a concealed carry instructor really during that whole quarantine,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think a lot of us got
Speaker 1: an extra career in the quarantine around that quarantine thing.
Speaker 1: So you know what happened with me was I got
Speaker 1: into that whole industry very heavy, you know, and became
Speaker 1: an instructor and just you know, just been going after
Speaker 1: a lot of certifications, being a few extra ones, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's something I'm into heavy. I'm an advocate for
Speaker 1: Second Amendment. Yeah, definitely. I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: teach people the right way when it comes to course
Speaker 1: guns and guns safety and yeah, just that people's thought
Speaker 1: process about guns. Yeah. I think that sometimes in hip
Speaker 1: hop we get like a little like wrapped up in like, uh,
Speaker 1: whatever the popular issue is at the time. And you know,
Speaker 1: I always talk with Killer Mike about this because Killer
Speaker 1: Mike's also very pro Second Amendment. He's gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of ship for that, by the way, Like they came
Speaker 1: came for him a lot. But I think that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in La No, they've came for Mike
Speaker 1: a lot. I know, that and it's it's wild. It's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't make any sense. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think that he would always say, like our people more
Speaker 1: than anybody. We need to protect ourselves more than anybody,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, especially with what we're going
Speaker 1: on in the world the last you know, with this
Speaker 1: Trump ship and all this other wild ship, like you
Speaker 1: never know, but it's never know what can happen. Like
Speaker 1: we live in I live in California, and it's like
Speaker 1: out here they pretty much make it as impossible as
Speaker 1: possible for you to protect yourself. So it's like out here,
Speaker 1: motherfuckers is getting robbed ships. I'm from Phoenix though, Phoenix
Speaker 1: is anybody can have a gun, Yeah, but you can't
Speaker 1: have a negligent discharge in Phoenix, right what you mean?
Speaker 1: I think in Arizona, if you have a negligent discharge,
Speaker 1: it's a little rough, you know, if you just fire
Speaker 1: the gun with that Yeah, with that type of I
Speaker 1: just know that. I know they're like I could literally
Speaker 1: give you my gun and that's you. It's your gun now.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about registering it. You don't
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like cats is really it's the
Speaker 1: wild wild We No, I'm sure, I'm sure. Right two cars,
Speaker 1: I was gonna says, it's like two sides of the coin.
Speaker 1: Because if we think of Chicago and the gun violence
Speaker 1: in Chicago, right, like you know, I see people are
Speaker 1: gonna get guns no matter what. Right that That pretty
Speaker 1: much says it, like, like, no matter how the gun
Speaker 1: laws are different in the state, you still got violence. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the people who are who want those guns, who
Speaker 1: are committing those crimes, they're gonna get those guns no
Speaker 1: matter get no matter what. So why not be protected
Speaker 1: like legally obviously you know what I'm saying. What they say,
Speaker 1: the only thing that stops a bad guy with a
Speaker 1: gun is a good guy with a gun. Ain't that
Speaker 1: the truth? Ain't that the truth? Yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: It's just I just think, you know, it's interesting, Like
Speaker 1: I think more more people like yourself and Mike should like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's dope that you guys talk
Speaker 1: about that because in hip hop, you know, and I'm,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm pretty much liberal on most things,
Speaker 1: just the gun ship. I'm like, listen, man, like this
Speaker 1: was America for a reason. It's it's in the constitution
Speaker 1: that we could protect ourselves, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And it is what it is. And you know a
Speaker 1: lot of times we you know, we are conditioned to
Speaker 1: have a perception of guns that make you go. You know,
Speaker 1: well everybody else is going. So your your thing is
Speaker 1: is to try to just educate people like yo, like
Speaker 1: this is you know, because because guns a scary thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when you do these courses,
Speaker 1: you're teaching people about the weapon. You're teaching people how
Speaker 1: to take it apart, put it back, Like what are
Speaker 1: you teaching people? Yeah, we're teaching all of that. We're
Speaker 1: teaching people how to break a gun down, put it
Speaker 1: back together, like you know, a field strip so you
Speaker 1: can clean it and everything, the parts to a gun,
Speaker 1: how to hold a gun, proper stance, proper grip, the
Speaker 1: safety rules, you know, how to keep your finger off
Speaker 1: the trigger, you know how to make sure you don't
Speaker 1: muzzle anybody, the whole everything. So so not only just
Speaker 1: the mentality of having a gun, but how to properly
Speaker 1: uh care for a gun and handle it with safety. Right,
Speaker 1: So you said during the during the pandemic, you pick
Speaker 1: that up because I know you do a lot of
Speaker 1: live shows like I know that you like under normal,
Speaker 1: normal circumstances, you do a bunch of live shows every year.
Speaker 1: How many live shows would you say you do year?
Speaker 1: I don't know that's a question for somebody else. A lot,
Speaker 1: but a lot, yeah, because I know you're in Phoenix
Speaker 1: a lot. You know how many Justice books you're out there?
Speaker 1: Shout out to Justice? But but uh, what did you
Speaker 1: like like outside of learning this new this new trade?
Speaker 1: What how did Holse did you handle the pandemic? Because
Speaker 1: the ship was kind of you know, at first, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, I feel like the first couple
Speaker 1: of months it felt like, oh well I could work
Speaker 1: from home. I feel like I threw a lot. I
Speaker 1: drew a lot of portraits and stuff like that. You
Speaker 1: know really Yeah, that was actually the first thing that
Speaker 1: I did as a kid. So you were always a
Speaker 1: good artist. First talent that popped out was me drawing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you was whipping up some portraits during the pandemic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, did you watch the Tiger what's the guy's name,
Speaker 1: Tiger King? Did you watch Tiger King on Netflix? Oh?
Speaker 1: You didn't watch that? You heard of that? Though I
Speaker 1: heard of it. I ain't sitting on. It didn't grab me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. You know, it wasn't a time frame where
Speaker 1: it grabbed me enough to say, let me watch. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on on you know, Chicago's music seeing
Speaker 1: the last eight years, nine years with the drill ship
Speaker 1: because the drill the drill, So when it first came
Speaker 1: out for me, I really wasn't because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love the lyrical ship, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it was just it was, it wasn't for me. I
Speaker 1: mean I loved it. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: have different different perceptions of music at different times. So
Speaker 1: at that time, me listening to the music, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of different reasons. Like you could listen to some
Speaker 1: of the drill music and you will see, like damn,
Speaker 1: from a DJ perspective, adrenaline rush fits right on top
Speaker 1: of it, right right, yeah, yeah, So definitely I'm locked
Speaker 1: in from that perspective. Then I saw too as technology
Speaker 1: advanced and people got a chance to open their laptops
Speaker 1: and see how Chicago really was from a Chief Keith perspective,
Speaker 1: and little Dirk and all of these guys right here
Speaker 1: that's coming up doing anything and you're like, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: so now you got something new that you never saw
Speaker 1: that and now we got another element added on to
Speaker 1: hip hop with this old drill ol vibe and it
Speaker 1: and it kind of shifted the way everybody is doing
Speaker 1: their music. So because you know, like, not only was
Speaker 1: I waiting on Chicago to just come with that constant
Speaker 1: quality music, man, once they started lighting it up, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I feel like whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say. Man, Like all has influenced everything going on
Speaker 1: right now. Like we just were in New York interviewing
Speaker 1: all the Brooklyn Drill rappers and it was like all
Speaker 1: of them are just straight. Yo. I grew up listening
Speaker 1: to Chief Keith and Dirk and g Herbo and yeah,
Speaker 1: and all those guys too, like shout out to Dirk,
Speaker 1: shout out to g Herbo. Like those guys have evolved
Speaker 1: musically too, that's right. Yeah, and their talents have young bulls.
Speaker 1: They be killing it. Man, I love it. You love it?
Speaker 1: What else out of Chicago or you check? Because you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's the other side of Chicago. You
Speaker 1: know there's guys like Vic Mensa. I mean, obviously Chance
Speaker 1: has been on quite a run since about twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: You like like, yeah, Vic Spencer too. Is a guy
Speaker 1: named Vic Spencer and Chicago to be killing it to really?
Speaker 1: Oh Vic Spencer, I think you said Vic Spencer, like
Speaker 1: Vic Spencer, no, the Chicago slang Vic Spencer. Yeah, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's going on with uh? With the Crucial Conflict guys? Man,
Speaker 1: the last time I heard I heard ah, I want
Speaker 1: to say it was was a Wild Style or or
Speaker 1: one of them dudes was on vic Mensa was a
Speaker 1: part of a group called the Kids These Days and
Speaker 1: the and they redid Hey okay, and I think the
Speaker 1: dude was on and I was like, yo, I used
Speaker 1: to love the Final Tick. They still do show Final
Speaker 1: Tick was my ship. Yeah, and they still perform those records. Man,
Speaker 1: you you you definitely need to check out a Crucial
Speaker 1: Conflict show. One of the guy's names is wild Style
Speaker 1: was one of his names? Was it never? Yeh Never?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if I remember Wild Style Never?
Speaker 1: Cold Hart and Co. Yeah, that ship and that showdown record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was to tell you that album was a Crucial
Speaker 1: Conflict you did. What's up with the Do or Die? Guys?
Speaker 1: Still doing shows, still doing their games. I do a
Speaker 1: lot of records with them. You know what would you
Speaker 1: like like like you know, because because uh, there was
Speaker 1: definitely a vibe about that music y'all were making, Like,
Speaker 1: uh it was some because you know, we think of
Speaker 1: Chicago and I remember as a kid seeing the documentary,
Speaker 1: like getting the documentary from Blockbuster that I forget which
Speaker 1: pimpin documentary was, but you remember they was doing pimping
Speaker 1: documentaries in the nineties. Yeah, And I remember Ice T
Speaker 1: went to the Player's Ball in Chicago go and there
Speaker 1: was like all kinds of famous pimps. There was like
Speaker 1: mister White. I can't even remember all the pimps in
Speaker 1: this movie, but Chicago's known for pimping for that culture,
Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah, and that vibe and that player Ship
Speaker 1: record got made. Yeah, and I felt like that some
Speaker 1: of those records were just they kind of just fit
Speaker 1: that vibe and it was something it was like it's
Speaker 1: like it almost was like a real Midwest Like at
Speaker 1: the time, there was West Coast, there was East Coast,
Speaker 1: and like like that was like to me, like what
Speaker 1: I what I kind of computed as like Midwest ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was everywhere though. You you you definitely had it,
Speaker 1: you know out this way, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: the Bay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but so I just
Speaker 1: feel like when you when you input that vibe in
Speaker 1: a certain place, I think it's just the aura, you know,
Speaker 1: the aura the swag of the whole pimp culture, you know,
Speaker 1: more so than anything, just would affect the music and
Speaker 1: the certain way, you know. One hundred. You got a
Speaker 1: new project coming out for twenty Yeah, a joint project.
Speaker 1: Yeah for twenty you know, like when you were speaking
Speaker 1: of the young bulls in Chicago, definitely years. We can
Speaker 1: talk about it. Man, we want to go grab him.
Speaker 1: You're doing a joint album. It's my man, Relo. He
Speaker 1: got some dope music. You know, in Chicago, we'd be
Speaker 1: doing our thing. He'd be doing this thing in the studio.
Speaker 1: You know, he's been working in my studio for a
Speaker 1: long time, and uh, Relo' he'd be coming with it
Speaker 1: all right. So for twenty what's what's the name of
Speaker 1: the album? Man? The news and that news or nothing
Speaker 1: news and nine? And how long have you guys been
Speaker 1: making music together? He's been how long you've been working
Speaker 1: like two years? Okay, you I gotta figure this out
Speaker 1: because this guy's you've you've killed so many rappers on
Speaker 1: so many songs. It's like embarrassing, like you got you
Speaker 1: gotta hit list of guys you just put under the
Speaker 1: dirt on their own records. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: How it's never that man, but it is, it's not
Speaker 1: It might not be that on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you pick up I pick up the energy of the
Speaker 1: of the artists I'm working with. I'm always excited about
Speaker 1: the music and I always try to try to please.
Speaker 1: So you yeah, what kind of pressure is it hopping
Speaker 1: on a record with this guy or doing a whole
Speaker 1: album blood alone. It's a lot of pressure. But you know,
Speaker 1: I create, so I make sure the music ain one.
Speaker 1: Everything gotta be up the part. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: you say, definitely a legend. So I step in the
Speaker 1: booth gonna make sure I gotta have everything in order.
Speaker 1: And then plus you know, see you might not be
Speaker 1: be into his music as of yet, but once you
Speaker 1: get into his music and see how you know, how
Speaker 1: artistic and prolific he is with it, you will see
Speaker 1: it's not a problem for him to get on the record,
Speaker 1: if anything. In some In some ways it's reverse a
Speaker 1: lot of times because remember I'm I'm from a certain era,
Speaker 1: and I have to stay relevant and keep up. And
Speaker 1: if I don't stay fresh and youthful thinking, then I
Speaker 1: can't mesh into that whole vibe. Right So, if anything,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing fabulous, fabulous music when I come into the
Speaker 1: studio every day. So when I get off of the
Speaker 1: opportunity to get on it, I got to make sure
Speaker 1: that when I'm on it, I ain't coming with something
Speaker 1: that's like, man, you got Musha sound and old as hello.
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. So, if anything, I gotta
Speaker 1: kill it and have that same mentality just as much
Speaker 1: as he might. How many records it's on this projects?
Speaker 1: Five records on that? Okay? So five piece nice? Still
Speaker 1: five people? Are you from Chicago as well? South Side? Okay?
Speaker 1: How would you say you described like you describe where
Speaker 1: you fit into, like like the Chicago sound right now? Basically,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna usher in a new sound because, like
Speaker 1: you say, it's a whole bunch of drill rappers. But
Speaker 1: I'm coming. I'm telling the shorties to stay positive, create,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, dream and chase their gold.
Speaker 1: So we trying to step outside of the drill and
Speaker 1: just give them the real dig for show that's I
Speaker 1: mean ship City for like that Birth Common and Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to just acknowledge some of the most influential
Speaker 1: guys that don't get love the cool kids. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Chicago's on the cool Man, Shout out to Uck English,
Speaker 1: Michael Rocks, you know those guys. Those guys have influenced
Speaker 1: so much when it came to fashion and sonics and music,
Speaker 1: and they they really get their credit, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So those guys that are super legends, man,
Speaker 1: So shout out to the cool kids much love. So
Speaker 1: the album comes out on the twentieth. Yeah, that makes sense. Man.
Speaker 1: It's a holiday holiday definitely a holiday Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: a dope record. You're gonna like it. You're gonna be surprised.
Speaker 1: Any features Yeah yeah, yeah, the one two punch Man.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be surprised. You're gonna enjoy it. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, all right, well yo ghost, go
Speaker 1: go get that. And then are you working on any
Speaker 1: any more solo? Shiit Twists? Yeah? After that, we got
Speaker 1: I got a project solo that's gonna be called shoot
Speaker 1: a Ready, Shoot a Ready, shoot a Ready. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that how many records are you on that it's pretty
Speaker 1: much done. I probably got like one record to do
Speaker 1: just because you know, and it's like a combination. It's
Speaker 1: it's flat out my original sound, but it's a combination
Speaker 1: of what you would normally hear me do musically, me
Speaker 1: attacking and beats and music. And then you got me.
Speaker 1: You got me doing music from the perspective talking about
Speaker 1: guns from a perspective that you've never heard. You used
Speaker 1: to rah rah gun ship, but I'm talking about guns
Speaker 1: from a perspective you never heard before. So you're talking
Speaker 1: about guns from the perspective of a guy who teaches
Speaker 1: a gun course. Now, not that it ain't that simple,
Speaker 1: right right, right, right right, you know, but when you
Speaker 1: know you ain't gonna hear me say clip, you gonna
Speaker 1: hear me say magazine. Okay, you know, but it's dope,
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear it. Uh. Talk about what you're doing
Speaker 1: with the real estate ship right now, because I think
Speaker 1: the real estate market is I don't know how it
Speaker 1: is in Chicago, but I don't know everywhere else. It's
Speaker 1: crazy right now? Yeah, I mean, is that something that
Speaker 1: you've been investing in it for a while Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we definitely dabble in that area too. You know, I
Speaker 1: try to have my hands and a few things. Right now.
Speaker 1: They say, if you ain't got your hands in about
Speaker 1: five if you ain't got income coming from like five
Speaker 1: different sources, then you you lacking, you know, So we
Speaker 1: definitely try to keep busy and things like real estate.
Speaker 1: You know, what I do with the music, what I
Speaker 1: do as far as the gun life, a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been any talks because we got the
Speaker 1: bad Boy Reunion tour, which was legendary, Yeah, there's been,
Speaker 1: you know, so many dope, like it's kind of Has
Speaker 1: there ever been anything kicked around about doing any sort
Speaker 1: of like Rockefeller Reunion tour or show or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that Dame Jay relationship is obviously
Speaker 1: what it is. I don't know, but if they do it,
Speaker 1: I gotta jump down. And if they do another Bad
Speaker 1: Boy too, I'm gonna have to send a clip of
Speaker 1: me doing is this the end of the Diddy so
Speaker 1: he can see, like, damn, twist this ship like yesterday,
Speaker 1: so he can be like, come on in, come on,
Speaker 1: you still got your Rockefeller Jane. Of course, that's something
Speaker 1: that like, that's like history, man. Yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: bust it out of the show or someone day or
Speaker 1: an occasion, you know, a great moment or something. Bust
Speaker 1: it out. Who actually, Like, do you remember the actual
Speaker 1: show where you got to change? Because I remember seeing it.
Speaker 1: I just don't remember, like like you said, it wasn't
Speaker 1: in Chicago. But what was the actual remember the actual
Speaker 1: place I was? I can't remember, but I remember how
Speaker 1: the stage looked and everything, when Dang walked on stage,
Speaker 1: how he gave it to me, the whole presentation thing,
Speaker 1: so I was real good. Do you think Dame gets
Speaker 1: it's like misunderstood sometimes because I feel like Dame's I
Speaker 1: feel like he's I feel like when I when I
Speaker 1: hear him talk, I understand what he's trying to say.
Speaker 1: I just think sometimes he says it in a way
Speaker 1: that might be off footing to certain people, a little
Speaker 1: too rough, but I understand what he's saying. I always
Speaker 1: understand what he's saying. Like he's never really wrong, he
Speaker 1: just might have say it a little rough. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely think he gets misunderstood a lot. But if
Speaker 1: you listen to him the right way, like you said,
Speaker 1: there's nothing but gems, so many gems. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: ever have one of those experiences with Dame where maybe
Speaker 1: he because you know, I always think back to watching backstage,
Speaker 1: you know the movie where he was going off on
Speaker 1: Clue and and Kevin Lyles, And I mean did you
Speaker 1: ever were you ever like a witness or a part
Speaker 1: of a go off moment? Yeah, I'm glad I miss all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't round those, Yeah, because like I feel like,
Speaker 1: what year did you What year was We Are the Champions?
Speaker 1: Was that in two thousand and two? Two thousand and one?
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have a problem trying to give
Speaker 1: me the guest these years the match up these records
Speaker 1: that was paid in full soundtrack? Hey, when when they
Speaker 1: sent you that record We Are the Champions? Was everyone's
Speaker 1: else ship already on it? Were you like like like
Speaker 1: like how did you hear it? I was actually in
Speaker 1: New York. I was actually standing in the studio with
Speaker 1: Beanie Siegel with them talking about the record with with
Speaker 1: with Dame explaining to me how he wanted it to
Speaker 1: sound and everything, and uh, why did I record that?
Speaker 1: I can't remember recorded record? Did? I recorded in Chicago?
Speaker 1: And I can't remember when I recorded it, but I
Speaker 1: remember writing it and I remembering in New York vibe.
Speaker 1: You remember where I recorded Champions at Well, we got
Speaker 1: the record in New York and I took it back
Speaker 1: to Chicago. That's what happened. Were you there? Because I
Speaker 1: always what I loved about Beanie Siegus verse on that
Speaker 1: song is it was really not it was just really him.
Speaker 1: It was just him talking going off. Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 1: It was just like energy. It wasn't so much about
Speaker 1: his rapping as much as it was like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like he would stop. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love that vibe he put on that. Were you around, like,
Speaker 1: like you said, you were in with Beanie when that
Speaker 1: record got like explained was he did he record it
Speaker 1: that night or I don't think he recorded it that night,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I don't think he recorded that night,
Speaker 1: but he was definitely around and just you know, the
Speaker 1: whole vibe and everything. And then you know, I was
Speaker 1: the new one to the team. So that's that was
Speaker 1: the energy that I had on that record right there
Speaker 1: on the Champion. Oh yeah, when they brought you on,
Speaker 1: when Dame brought you on, it was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: and then you just you hit the home run. Yo.
Speaker 1: Who's somebody who you've recorded a song with or that
Speaker 1: you hopped on a record or with where you were
Speaker 1: intimidated when it came to like you know, you've worked
Speaker 1: with a lot of legends, man, and like I said,
Speaker 1: you've you've done your thing on a lot of people's
Speaker 1: records and made them look crazy. But who's somebody who
Speaker 1: you were like extra? Like, Man, I really got to
Speaker 1: bring my ship. Damn. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love hate doing records with Tech nine. Ah yeah, I
Speaker 1: love hate doing records with that dude. You guys got
Speaker 1: some ship? Did you gotta work? It is like I
Speaker 1: know he feel the same way. Trust me, if you
Speaker 1: ask him, you feel the same. Yeah. If you if
Speaker 1: you're in a lazy mode, you don't want to do
Speaker 1: a record, you gotta be ready, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: like miss the ship out of rap tech N. I
Speaker 1: feel like Tech nine always has the biggest chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder or what he raps like, no matter what
Speaker 1: he's like, always it's like it's just there's a chip
Speaker 1: and it's just it's too much going on. You you
Speaker 1: were on, you were on, you were on the Worldwide
Speaker 1: Choppers with Buster Rhymes, yellow Wolf. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of people on that record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like that
Speaker 1: record was crazy, Like when you go back and listen
Speaker 1: to that, that was like eight minutes straight of people
Speaker 1: just from all over the word, people from Instant, from
Speaker 1: Turkey on there, all kinds of it was yeah, tech
Speaker 1: Nis Man tech Nis also for a lot of artists.
Speaker 1: If you want to come up, go watch a tech
Speaker 1: nine concerts so you can figure out how to perform too,
Speaker 1: because that motherfucker's a beast live. Oh yeah, so who
Speaker 1: are you? You got another guy? It's probably a bunch
Speaker 1: of them, but I can't think of any right now
Speaker 1: that uh pops right in my head of course, j
Speaker 1: of course Jay yeah, hm hmm popping popping tags. Was
Speaker 1: one man do this record with this person, and I
Speaker 1: was like, damn god mh. I wouldn't say, uh, worried
Speaker 1: or scared, but probably my thought process on how I
Speaker 1: was gonna come with my delivery or what to do
Speaker 1: with this particular person. You know, so like damn this
Speaker 1: such and such or this so and something right, you know,
Speaker 1: so like Mariah somebody like that, you know, yeah, like damn,
Speaker 1: you know, but like like another rapper or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's probably somebody. I just can't think of anybody right
Speaker 1: now besides Tech Technicals that's the one that and probably Buster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the work. You gotta put some damn work in
Speaker 1: you gonna feel like all that sometimes for sure? For sure?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite personally? Like, what's your favorite album of yours?
Speaker 1: Adrenaline Rush. Adrenaline Rush. That was ninety seven, right, I'm
Speaker 1: over asking you about years and ship about about ninety
Speaker 1: six Adrenaline Rush. Man should remember, But yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's an album too. That's also like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't. It's it's one of them. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like a cult classic. Like my favorite
Speaker 1: movie is called The Big Lebowski is right up there.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people don't talk about
Speaker 1: The Big Lebowski. I feel like Adrenaline Rush is a
Speaker 1: cold claxic, like it's like if you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you had to be there
Speaker 1: type shit. Yeah, that's my joint right there. Man. That's
Speaker 1: you know, of course Kama Kazi and my first album.
Speaker 1: But Kama Kazi was like your commercial peak as far
Speaker 1: as like hit records on an album, right, just like
Speaker 1: that was like, yeah, yeah, I would call it my
Speaker 1: commercial peak. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Do you think what
Speaker 1: do you think like kind of you know, because you've
Speaker 1: you've had such a long career, obviously still doing your thing,
Speaker 1: but what do you think worked against you kind of
Speaker 1: extending that peak longer? Me? Me loving rap from a
Speaker 1: certain angle, you know, I always love rap from a
Speaker 1: rapper's perspective and not a be in the industry's perspective,
Speaker 1: and so sometimes some of that may have hindered me.
Speaker 1: You know, always had the will to want to be
Speaker 1: half normal, half amazing or in this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: so I gotta have a little bit of normal in
Speaker 1: my life, and I think that thought process kind of
Speaker 1: you know, hinders me. And because because to be in
Speaker 1: the industry, man like successful people outside of it don't
Speaker 1: realize how much hard work it is. It's it's way
Speaker 1: harder than the nine to five, but they don't know
Speaker 1: that until they try to get in it and do it,
Speaker 1: you know. So so you're saying essentially, like you know,
Speaker 1: like like you said, you know, if you're in an industry,
Speaker 1: you gotta go to functions, you gotta kind of you gotta.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta kind of have fake friends, like
Speaker 1: people who you kind of talk to just because it's
Speaker 1: a good like. You know, there's associates. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who you might consider acquaintance has been not
Speaker 1: friends in the music industry, right man, You gotta do,
Speaker 1: you gotta do. It's a lot of bullshitting other people
Speaker 1: in this an extremely lot of bullshitting yourself. And it's
Speaker 1: just only so much I can bullshit myself, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I just got to keep it real.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dope ass rapper, rock shows,
Speaker 1: rock people, put out records, and there was a certain
Speaker 1: extent of it, you know. So so to get to
Speaker 1: a certain level, to have to act a certain way
Speaker 1: or be a certain way, or fake a certain friendship
Speaker 1: with certain people. And isn't that I just couldn't be
Speaker 1: into all that. What was a feature that almost happened
Speaker 1: that didn't happen for you? Damn? Oh, I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be one that come right in. I always think
Speaker 1: back to like just being like a big, a big
Speaker 1: fan of Biggie and thinking like how I got a
Speaker 1: late when I got a late? When I first off
Speaker 1: let me say I love all rappers in Texas. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of all rappers in Texas. And with that
Speaker 1: being said, I was just about to do a feature
Speaker 1: with Mo three. Oh yeah, we was like probably days away, right,
Speaker 1: We were literally literally days away from working on a
Speaker 1: record together. So he yeah, he passed. Was it this year?
Speaker 1: Was it late last year? Most three is dope? Man?
Speaker 1: He just put a new album out too, So that
Speaker 1: just came out Friday. All of them guys dope man.
Speaker 1: So you've always just been a big fan of the
Speaker 1: Texas guys. Yeah, all the Texas got Dallas, Houston, all
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, hey shure, hey man. What was it
Speaker 1: like coming up at the same time as Common in
Speaker 1: the same city, because that's the common I mean I
Speaker 1: loved Resurrection and like that era of Common, like when
Speaker 1: he was common sense, like you guys kind of being
Speaker 1: on like opposite sounds of the same like of the
Speaker 1: same city. Like, did you guys have a good relationship
Speaker 1: in the nineties, Like yeah, we was always cool. We
Speaker 1: never really got a chance to like hang around each other,
Speaker 1: like right as much as we probably could have, but
Speaker 1: you know, just was on different vibes. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a south Side guy was the West Side guy.
Speaker 1: My music was, you know, more street orientated. His was
Speaker 1: more hip hop orientated. You know, were you rooting for
Speaker 1: him when he when he when he put out the
Speaker 1: bitching you against Ice Cube? Oh yeah that was bad.
Speaker 1: That was what was gonna happen, you know, but damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was gonna happen like that as
Speaker 1: smooth as it happened. Yeah, I think Cube is self
Speaker 1: even respected. I would out when I saw Cube too. Man,
Speaker 1: I had a fan out moment of course. Yeah, like, damn,
Speaker 1: there's a few of those guys ship. I mean, I
Speaker 1: it's crazy because you know, losing DMX, that was one
Speaker 1: of the few guys in hip hop I met who
Speaker 1: I like, really was like starstruck, id like tell him, like, man,
Speaker 1: you don't stand what you meant to me? Bro, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I saw him at an
Speaker 1: award show and I fanned out and didn't speak to him.
Speaker 1: He was walking past, so he didn't really see me,
Speaker 1: and I had the opportunity to probably speak to him,
Speaker 1: but I just looked and fanned out. And because of
Speaker 1: the current situation, that that's one moment I regret that
Speaker 1: I didn't go straight at him. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he lived a good life. You know, there
Speaker 1: was an interview clip that I saw recently on the
Speaker 1: Drink Champs where he said, if I dropped dead tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I lived a good life. And he did live a
Speaker 1: good life man. Yeah, touched a lot of people. So
Speaker 1: rest in peace to Dmax. Well, look, the new album
Speaker 1: is out for twenty yeah, ep, and then a new
Speaker 1: Twisted album will be coming shortly after its you said
Speaker 1: it's pretty much done yep. For twenty we got News
Speaker 1: at nine with Relo or Dreamer right here with your
Speaker 1: Shot Town, and then we got Shoot Already that's coming
Speaker 1: after that. We got a bunch of dope songs. You go.
Speaker 1: It's like a mixture of Adrenaline Rush and Shooter song
Speaker 1: features on that. Oh yeah, it's a few surprises on that.
Speaker 1: I didn't go too hard with the features. It's a
Speaker 1: few surprises. I kept it adrenaline Rush esque. Do you
Speaker 1: enjoy being independent now, like as opposed to the major
Speaker 1: label shit? Yeah, I've always enjoyed it once I got
Speaker 1: into it, you know. Yeah, when we first started off,
Speaker 1: we was killing it too, right. It's always like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's I think nowadays, specifically back in the day, it
Speaker 1: would makes sense to sign to a major label. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think once you learn, learn the ropes a little bit,
Speaker 1: learn the business, got people on your team that can
Speaker 1: kind of emulate what you would get from a record label,
Speaker 1: and especially got some income. Well yeah, now I feel
Speaker 1: like nowadays you get there, you go straight to the fans.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you kind of needed a label
Speaker 1: to get to your fans. Yeah, because it's like technology
Speaker 1: was expensive then. Yeah, now it's free labels they had
Speaker 1: the money to do it. Right now, technology advanced to
Speaker 1: the level where you know, it can't be controlled like that,
Speaker 1: and and you know, in one way, so I think
Speaker 1: a lot of artists today got an advantage. You know.
Speaker 1: The advantage today is that you can use technology in
Speaker 1: a way that we couldn't in the past. The other
Speaker 1: difference though, is that the playing field you got so
Speaker 1: many people to be up against that also have the
Speaker 1: Internet for free, got you, and so it kind of
Speaker 1: balances itself out. You have the ogs like, oh, y'all
Speaker 1: got it easier than us, because not really, because Newcat's
Speaker 1: got to go against a million other people. When you
Speaker 1: were probably the only person rapping in your neighborhood, right,
Speaker 1: because now everyone's rapping. Everyone can get fruity woops, everyone
Speaker 1: can go buy a mic for one hundred dollars or so.
Speaker 1: So it evens itself out. Yeah, it's like you got
Speaker 1: the little perception, the gifting, the curses of each era
Speaker 1: even themselves out for sure, because like now you got
Speaker 1: like you said, it's the everything's so saturated. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like DJing. You know, back in the day, you
Speaker 1: had to buy records, you had to learn how to
Speaker 1: actually mix. You know. Now you got a laptop, you
Speaker 1: download some songs. Yeah, you get a little controller and
Speaker 1: you go do a gig. Back in the day, it
Speaker 1: was not like that. But now you know, you can
Speaker 1: literally play a video of a DJ's old DJ set, right.
Speaker 1: That shit crazy. Well, look Twisted, Thank you for coming through, man,
Speaker 1: the legend Twister. Go get your new new project. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming through. Man. Let's get to it. Boom perfect
Speaker 1: much love y'all,