WEBVTT - #59 - Twista 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:12.080 All right, another episode. All right, so check this out. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.000 We got a great episode for you today with the 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.880 legend Twister. That's right. You know, I've been dming Twisted 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.919 for the better part of the last three or four years, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.000 and we finally have linked up. I was trying to 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:26.479 get him to come on the radio show when I 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.280 was on with DJ Head, trying to get him go 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.520 on the podcast. He finally came to LA. We sat down. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.159 He's got a new EP out, and man, we just 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.640 talk about history. Twist is a historical artist. He's a 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.640 legendary artist. He's been a part of a lot of 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.800 legendary moments in hip hop. 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Hey, man, listen, 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.400 I just want to say I've been trying. I feel 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.080 like I've been dming you probably for about six months, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:52.800 trying to be like, yeah when you come to LA man, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.920 like it's been a while. Man, I know, we always 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.680 like trying to lock in GLA and then when I 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.280 was at the radio station, I mean I've probably been 0:01:58.320 --> 0:01:59.760 dming you longer than that because were trying to get 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.000 you on the radio station and shit, and yeah, it's 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.520 good to have you here though. Bro. Man, man, it's 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.040 a hey, better late than never. Run one hundred percent, Man, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.920 hundred percent. You have so much just historical legacy in 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.160 the game. Bro. You know what I'm saying, It's been 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:21.000 a long time. Let's started. Like obviously, I remember I 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.240 first heard you probably it was probably around like ninety 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.160 nine when I was like a kid and you already 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.480 you know, moving and shaking. But it was it was 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.120 a I think the first song I probably ever heard you, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.120 I really it was probably pop Pemp Yeah, and then 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.560 digging into all the other shit, the speeding up mobsters 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.760 and all that, you know what I'm saying. So like 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.600 during that era in Chicago hip hop, this was before 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.400 the drill shit, I felt like it was like what 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.720 you were doing a crucial conflict was doing. And then 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.000 on the other side of the token, it was like 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.000 common sense in the Resurrection and you know, and Solt. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.919 It always just felt like Chicago has always kind of 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:07.040 been two sides sonically at all times. It was like 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.680 like south side West side. You know, you have to 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.120 you know, shout to the north side too, but you know, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.480 mostly like a south side West side thing, not really 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.519 intuit with each other, but just you know, two different 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.400 vibes a little bit when it came to music, Yeah, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.120 what what is it that inspired you to wrap the 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:32.239 way you rap originally? Because you you know, I always 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.440 have this talk with UH, with the homie rints that 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.840 when it comes to the like Tech nine two, we've 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.400 we've talked about you a lot when it comes to chopping. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:47.880 There's nobody who can UH really like you, like when 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.200 you wrap, it's so clean. Some people can rap fast, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.840 but it's really hard to understand. Like you enunciate so 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.160 perfectly every single like it's it's like, to me, that's 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.120 what it's about. That that's that's the limit of it 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:05.000 is how clear can you say your words at a 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.240 certain pace or k you know, so to me, that's 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.520 what it's about. It's a complete package. And once once 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.960 one is over the other one, then you're not really 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.560 doing it the right way. But when did you start 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.240 to master that, like and what were the influences that 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.359 kind of made you decide to start rapping that way? 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.840 This was early on just really because I was doing 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.920 so many, so many rhymes where I'm having punchlines and 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.960 stuff like that, and like more into battles like the 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.960 younger stage, you know, and I wanted to sound different, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.039 make something different, make a song, or just a new flow. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.119 So I started like changing up the flow and making 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.000 different patterns. And then every once in a while, you were, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.880 you know, uh, coming up the street and not be 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.400 backing into the beat, and then just a little more, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.920 then a little more, and then you start to hear 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.520 a few other rappers doing it here and there, you know, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.240 oh man. And then one day I just decided I 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.400 want to make a whole song like that. I'm like, 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.200 I always make little phrases like that. Let me make 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.719 a whole song like that, you know. And then I 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:13.120 started making songs like mister Tongue Twisters. That's crazy? So 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.080 what year? What year was mister tongue twister? Man? A 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.440 long time ago, like ninety one or something like that. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.360 Ninety one. That's so crazy. You know, it's crazy too, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.800 because I think it was ninety one. I was, I 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:35.400 was four now. But what's crazy is uh? Like I 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:41.160 remember as a kid like there was like this. I 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.240 don't know if it was a bee for weird energy 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.679 between you boys in Chicago and the Bone Thugs guys. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.720 Mm hmm. It was kind of like I think they 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.159 might have said something on Art of War. Yeah, I 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.600 think it was Art of War, right, it was on 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.480 that album, like all of the all of the early 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.039 early app was that that had that style at some 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:09.600 form or time got out their body a little bit, right, yeah, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.520 because it was like no, you bite me, you bite me? 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.000 Well I was doing it first. Yeah, we all got 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.039 out of our body a little bit about that type 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.520 of stuff. So that was that was early on when 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.920 you know, we all were trying to stay claim at 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.120 a certain vibe, not realizing that we were all the 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.240 founders of a certain sound facts people. You know, once 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:33.440 we started to realize how many people we influenced, then 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.039 that's when we realized that we were all brothers in 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.400 the sex who who who said something first? Back then, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.880 like who took the first? So you were the first? Okay, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.080 so it was you first? Yeah? Yeah, I think I 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.360 kicked it off first. I think I saw a crazy 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:51.760 bone when we was doing a video for Spit Your Game. Okay, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.320 yeah I remember, Yo, that's crazy. Yeah, because years later 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.800 you guys end up working on that together. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.880 shout out to crazy. You know, all of them are 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.400 eyes though you know, yeah, that's dope. Yeah, that's it's crazy. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.000 As we think about like how rap beef is now, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.360 it's like it's not a lot of mature and getting 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.720 PASTI it anymore, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, uh, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.680 and then then there is some you know, so hopefully 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.320 hopefully a lot of the younger cats look at the 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.560 way we moved a little bit and kind of kind 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.720 of follow suit. You know, when did you realize that 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.840 you had something like because we I think every rapper 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.520 has a you know, whether it's back then getting your 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.600 demo in the right person's hand, or hearing your record 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.720 on the radio, or when was the first instance where 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.720 you realize like, oh I could really like make real 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.560 money off this rap shit. Man, I probably can't remember 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:48.680 the first. The first probably entering entering h contests back then, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.440 you know, because this was how I first got on. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.480 It's like just getting in contests and stuff like that. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.200 So I think it was maybe me and my guy 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.360 Creed getting in the show U one day or should 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.640 I say, a contest and did a song and got 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:09.280 the opportunity to record them. You know, once people start 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.200 paying for stuff, right, once you saw people paid money 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.680 for it to see me. Yeah, paid to see a 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.000 show or something like that. You know, things like that. Yeah, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:25.800 that's wild. So you ended up putting out Adrenaline Rush. Uh. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:27.800 You were kind of like a I don't want to 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.840 call you an underground favorite, but you were kind of 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.480 like a you had like a dope Colt following and 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:39.160 hip hop. I remember when the Uh Paid in full 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.200 soundtrack Slash Rock Rockefeller album came out. It was like 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.320 it was like a double disc album, and that was 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.280 the first time that I it was the We Are 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.640 the Champions record and the way the way Dame brought 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.960 you in on that record was so legendary. And you 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.520 just came. You caught a fucking body and I think 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.160 I might have saw it was like maybe a video 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.600 you or something in Chicago getting the Rockefeller chain put 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.880 on you. Uh, it wasn't Chicago. It was somewhere. It 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.760 was on stage though, right it was on stage, Yeah, yeah, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.040 it was that was that was an a dope vibe 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.199 right there. Shout out to the homie. Dang. Yeah. How 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:21.640 did talk about how your relationship with Rockefeller started? Just 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.960 early on a little bit of everything. I will say 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.440 Kanye Dame and Jay all in some form of fashion 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.320 just just had something to do with me being involved 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.040 with Rockefeller of course Jay, you know, with him being 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.360 who he is and us doing what we did with 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.560 like uh you know, uh is that your chick popping tags? Right? 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.200 Just like that? And then of course Yay having that 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.760 vibe and bring bringing me along in that whole vibe, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.760 and then even with that vibe, but like dang with 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.960 the Champions joint. So yeah, it was crazy. Everybody I 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.480 was cool with all of that. Was h Did you 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.360 have a relationship with Kanye first because of the Chicago 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.160 share or did you It's not really like have a relationship, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.880 but before he became Kanye West per se, he was 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.319 already cool. He was already cool. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.160 kick it a lot or nothing like that, but we 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.840 always was around each other, especially on the music scene, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:18.120 you know in Chicago. So so yeah, yeah, it's crazy 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.360 because you mentioned is that your chicken and popping tags? 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.480 Those are some crazy joints, crazy features. Is that your 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.760 chick is Like I think that's one of those records 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.440 that it's forgotten it hip hop, you know what I'm saying, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.200 Like we forgot rocking that joint. That joint is fucking 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.160 That ship is a classic, man, that's my joint. That's 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.760 the I think it's the hardest Memphis Bleak record. That ship. Okay, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.559 shout out, I mean shout out to Bleak, but that's 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.400 shout out to the homie Bleak. So who So originally, 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.520 what made you decide to go to rock? I mean, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.319 obviously at the time, it probably wasn't hard to make 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.679 the Rockefeller decision because it's the hardest crew and hip 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.680 hop at the moment, right, Yeah, yeah, we was rocking. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.840 I was loving it. You know, that whole vibe. To 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.320 be around that team at that time period was definitely 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.000 a plus, you know, and then to be vibing with 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.640 him was a whole other thing. So so it was cool. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.120 What was give me like a Rockefeller story, man, one 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.520 that like just being being around that era, being around 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.880 Hole during that time something that we like people might 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.400 not know, just like a crazy experience that you had 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:26.960 back then. Just always weirded out at Jay's prediction ability, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.000 how he would look up and say, you know that 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.520 slow Jams was gonna be a hit, and then it 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.960 would it would happen. And then like me writing Is 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.280 This the End? That song with P Diddy? And when 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.920 I did that song and walking in the room with 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.520 Jay and P Diddy chopping it up and we were talking. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.840 We started talking about the is this the End joint? 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.360 And I remember how how I was doing that joint. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.280 I was faded writing that joint, you know, so like 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.040 real faded, and I had some good weed that I 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.120 never had before. So I wrote that joint and everything. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.880 So we was in there talking about it and was 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.680 looking at it, and he just looked at it. He 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.600 was he was high when you wrote that, So it 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.600 was just but it was strange because I was real 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.720 high when I wrote that, so for some reason about 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.679 the flow, he knew I was high. The Origin of 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.800 the Slow Jams is a record that I distinctly remember, 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.680 like being in high school and and that being like 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.360 my favorite record. You know, that was a record that 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.800 was it was early Kanye as far as you know, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.280 that was like one of Kanye's early earliest records. I 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.160 feel like it was like through the Wire and then 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.600 that came and and that just kind of added to 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.000 his allure and that was really that was really like, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.959 was that like your first hit record? As far as 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.000 like radio like solo radio level. Yeah, yeah, that was. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.520 That was like the biggest record of my career, hands down. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.920 Overnight Celebrity was nice too, though, Man, that was that 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.480 was the joint, you know, that was something to have 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.160 to come with. Yeah, the whole the vibe of that, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.880 you know. So I got lucky being able to come 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.440 with that one and him going as hard on the 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.800 beat as he was able. It was crazy. Now, but 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.880 Slow Jams tell us about that record? How was it made? 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.160 Like what were the origins of that record? Like, like 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.320 like Slow Jams was something that was a vibe that 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.960 U Yay already had. He already just just had the 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.439 whole aura of it. He had the beat, He had 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.679 an idea of what he wanted me to do, so 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.960 you know, me obviously knowing what I'm hearing is like 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.240 like dope as hell, you know, not not knowing it 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.800 was gonna beat that fucking beat, but I'm I'm like, man, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.480 I gotta body this, so I'm doing my thing on it. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.839 But then he put Jamie on it and the way 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.800 it all came together and that was like right, that 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.640 was like peak Jamie as an artist too, or really 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.400 I feel like that is what really kind of kicked 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.560 off people taking Jamie serious as a singer. It was 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.280 that song. That song was because that was before Unpredictable, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.240 that was before that his album. That was like the 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.160 very first time that we were like, oh Jamie Fox 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.640 could sing. Yeah, That's what turned it on to me 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.880 for us music career. He always was talented to of course, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.280 of course that record coming out like turned it on 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.480 and launched that opportunity. And you say, Jay called that 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:14.000 record he knew it was gonna be a hit when 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.240 you were around Yay early did did? Did he? I mean, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.040 because I always tell people who aren't like real hardcore 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.120 Kanye fans, is Kanye has always been oh you some 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.680 water something? Is there some water in there? I always 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.520 tell people who haven't followed Kanye West until recently over 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.360 the last ten years that, like, Kanye has always been 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:38.600 a very confident dude. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.720 I don't think I mean, it's obviously magnified a lot, 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.680 you know, but I feel like Kanye has always kind 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:53.080 of been a mad scientist. Yeah, yeah, for sure, mad scientists, right, Yeah, 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.640 Like working with him, because you were working with him 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.200 that was before college dropout right, Yeah, that was before 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.840 Slow James was BEFO calls dropout for that released. You know, 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.800 I already had a vibe of of how he worked 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.960 and and and just what he do because I was 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.600 around him when he was making beats early on, you know, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.720 so I was I would always know that his sound 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.080 was very unique. His choice of music was like a 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.080 like a DJ, almost like a you know, it felt 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.320 like a DJ. I was like, man, he knows the records. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:29.640 You So, yeah, he was always dope to talk about 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.760 to Cameron. So Cam has always paid homage to the 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.080 shy he used to live there. Yeah, he on Purple Haze, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.280 he re redid adrenaline Rush and you you caught a 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.920 fucking body on that. What is it about Cam in Chicago? 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.040 And like just the homage and the and the respect 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.920 he's always shown. Man, it's it's been I mean, it's 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.920 been dope to see over the over the last however 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.360 many years. I just feel like, you know, it's an 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.480 old saying where they say real recognized real, you know, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.960 and I just think, uh, you know, the vibes really 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.120 you know, like like like where he from and how 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.240 he get down and shot town people and how they 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.720 get down. And then just cam being a person that 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.400 moved around though he was in Ohio at one point, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.640 chilling doing his thing too, like Chicago as well as 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.360 other places. So him being a fan of my music 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.160 as well me being a fan of his music. It 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.080 was real dope when he came because he was in 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.680 Chicago and we actually sat right there in each other's 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.800 face and talked about doing that record. So he did 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:31.720 he come to you? And when he when he came 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.040 to you, was he like, y'all, I want to remake 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.680 this for purple Hats. Yeah, he had a mastermind already. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.800 He knew exactly what the fuck you wanted. Yeah, So 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.760 that's what made the record so fun, was because he 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.760 knew exactly how he wanted. That's wild, yo. Let me 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.720 ask you this. With Kamakazi being a classic record, right, 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.600 that was your only album on Rockefeller, I didn't actually 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.760 have an album, so that album wasn't So what was 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.400 your situation with him because you had to ain't on 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.400 you had the features you know that it was it 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:08.639 was It was pretty much more like a family vibe. Okay, okay, okay, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.640 that we could have took further, but at the time. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.080 I was on Atlantic Records, right, I knew that album 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.800 came out through Atlantic. I didn't know Rock, so it didn't. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:21.399 So you technically never dropped an album album through Rockefeller. Damn, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.480 that's crazy. So that was just some family ties ship, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.440 like hey, you're part of the gang. Here's the change, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.040 you know what I'm saying. Like, definitely, that was far 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:31.520 as far as we could take it. We would have 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.359 took it further if if the companies could have merged 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.879 the situation. But you know, unfortunately that couldn't happen. So 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.160 I had to keep it moving, keep it moving. Who 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.680 is who were you closest with on the roster because 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.560 there was such a large roster of artists. But you know, 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.439 we're talking about the young guns. Were talking about all 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.640 the state property beans Memphis, Like who was like your 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.680 your your closest comrade on the Rockefeller roster. Everybody was cool. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.480 I had a vibe with everybody. I probably kicked it 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.960 the most with with a bleak and Freeway. Freeway is 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.120 a good dude man. Probably kicked it with the most 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:11.840 shouts to free It's crazy to see the evolution of 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.360 what you got started in the nineties with chopping and 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.080 and and and rapping that way. There's so many dope 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.720 artists who do it. Now, the you know, the logics 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.240 of the world. We mentioned Rits. You know, obviously tech 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.880 nines are o G text tech and getting that bag. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.200 Who are some artists that that you respect what they 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:38.040 do when it comes to chopping like that? Damn? Who 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:48.200 was that I was talking about the day? Damn? Oh man, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.240 you caught me up on that one too. It's I 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.280 want to remember so hard. I can't remember the name 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.520 of the group though, but definitely the people who you 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.720 name and are still people who I listened to, like 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.320 like Rits and stuff like that. Now, Hey, by the way, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.040 rit Riz, you and Rich ever talk about doing the 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.600 EP together? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, because he's he's mentioned 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.439 that too, Yes, my boy. So he mentioned it that 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.600 in passing and I was like, hey, you that'd be crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.160 we we mentioned it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:17.920 We're gonna be in the right space at the right time. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.320 He's also another one of those guys that raps very fast, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.360 but like enunciates his words so where it's just like 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.040 if you're listening. You understand every single thing he's saying. Yeah, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.200 you know, like you some some some people got a 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.919 funk zoned with it, and then some people, you know, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.679 they just do it. You know, you gotta have a 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.120 funk zone with it. You know. I want to talk. So, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.159 so your boy had set me some talking points and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:47.920 I had no idea that you a group that that 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.400 that it'll come to me. Okay, Okay, So I didn't 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:56.520 know that you are a concealed gun carry instructor. Yeahal carrier, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.520 so official certified us c c A and n R 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.479 A cance Carry instructor. Yeah, and you started a new 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.240 gun safety company called the Gun Camp. This is in Chicago. Yeah. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.080 So I'm because I'm I'm a proponent. I'm a pretty 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.400 liberal dude, but I'm very very you know, I feel 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.320 like we should all have a right to protect ourselves. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.960 You know what I'm saying. How did you get involved 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.480 in in that? Because I would never in my wildest 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.600 dreams picture you know, man, Like, I've always been into firearms. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.680 But then when I got my concealed carry, my boy 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.639 Eddie trained me to get my concealed carry license. And 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.600 then when I wanted to be an instructor. My boy 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.119 Creative Can trained me. Uh my Creative trained me to 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.600 be a concealed carry instructor really during that whole quarantine, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.560 you know. So I think a lot of us got 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.360 an extra career in the quarantine around that quarantine thing. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.160 So you know what happened with me was I got 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.879 into that whole industry very heavy, you know, and became 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.720 an instructor and just you know, just been going after 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.520 a lot of certifications, being a few extra ones, you know. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.000 So that's something I'm into heavy. I'm an advocate for 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.440 Second Amendment. Yeah, definitely. I want to. I want to 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.080 teach people the right way when it comes to course 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.960 guns and guns safety and yeah, just that people's thought 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.680 process about guns. Yeah. I think that sometimes in hip 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.159 hop we get like a little like wrapped up in like, uh, 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:29.199 whatever the popular issue is at the time. And you know, 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.280 I always talk with Killer Mike about this because Killer 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.040 Mike's also very pro Second Amendment. He's gotten a lot 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.480 of ship for that, by the way, Like they came 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.719 came for him a lot. But I think that, uh, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:44.320 you know, especially in La No, they've came for Mike 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.880 a lot. I know, that and it's it's wild. It's 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.480 like it doesn't make any sense. And you know, I 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.560 think that he would always say, like our people more 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.480 than anybody. We need to protect ourselves more than anybody, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.880 you know what I'm saying, especially with what we're going 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:01.679 on in the world the last you know, with this 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:03.600 Trump ship and all this other wild ship, like you 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.600 never know, but it's never know what can happen. Like 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.720 we live in I live in California, and it's like 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.440 out here they pretty much make it as impossible as 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:16.040 possible for you to protect yourself. So it's like out here, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:22.240 motherfuckers is getting robbed ships. I'm from Phoenix though, Phoenix 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.320 is anybody can have a gun, Yeah, but you can't 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:30.600 have a negligent discharge in Phoenix, right what you mean? 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.199 I think in Arizona, if you have a negligent discharge, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:35.880 it's a little rough, you know, if you just fire 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.000 the gun with that Yeah, with that type of I 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:42.520 just know that. I know they're like I could literally 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.520 give you my gun and that's you. It's your gun now. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:47.760 You don't have to worry about registering it. You don't 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.480 know what I mean? Like cats is really it's the 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.240 wild wild We No, I'm sure, I'm sure. Right two cars, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.720 I was gonna says, it's like two sides of the coin. 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.520 Because if we think of Chicago and the gun violence 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:01.960 in Chicago, right, like you know, I see people are 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.080 gonna get guns no matter what. Right that That pretty 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.840 much says it, like, like, no matter how the gun 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.680 laws are different in the state, you still got violence. Yeah. 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.920 And the people who are who want those guns, who 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.919 are committing those crimes, they're gonna get those guns no 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.160 matter get no matter what. So why not be protected 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.480 like legally obviously you know what I'm saying. What they say, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.720 the only thing that stops a bad guy with a 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:29.560 gun is a good guy with a gun. Ain't that 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.199 the truth? Ain't that the truth? Yeah, it's a very 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.199 It's just I just think, you know, it's interesting, Like 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.080 I think more more people like yourself and Mike should like, 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.320 you know, I think it's dope that you guys talk 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:43.600 about that because in hip hop, you know, and I'm, 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.159 like I said, I'm pretty much liberal on most things, 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.240 just the gun ship. I'm like, listen, man, like this 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:57.080 was America for a reason. It's it's in the constitution 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.720 that we could protect ourselves, you know what I mean? 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.080 And it is what it is. And you know a 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.600 lot of times we you know, we are conditioned to 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.480 have a perception of guns that make you go. You know, 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.560 well everybody else is going. So your your thing is 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.879 is to try to just educate people like yo, like 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.600 this is you know, because because guns a scary thing, 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.000 you know what I'm saying. So when you do these courses, 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.280 you're teaching people about the weapon. You're teaching people how 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.840 to take it apart, put it back, Like what are 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:27.880 you teaching people? Yeah, we're teaching all of that. We're 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.159 teaching people how to break a gun down, put it 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.760 back together, like you know, a field strip so you 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.600 can clean it and everything, the parts to a gun, 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.320 how to hold a gun, proper stance, proper grip, the 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.280 safety rules, you know, how to keep your finger off 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.600 the trigger, you know how to make sure you don't 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.280 muzzle anybody, the whole everything. So so not only just 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:51.960 the mentality of having a gun, but how to properly 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.840 uh care for a gun and handle it with safety. Right, 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.240 So you said during the during the pandemic, you pick 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.639 that up because I know you do a lot of 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.200 live shows like I know that you like under normal, 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.840 normal circumstances, you do a bunch of live shows every year. 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.360 How many live shows would you say you do year? 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.720 I don't know that's a question for somebody else. A lot, 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.879 but a lot, yeah, because I know you're in Phoenix 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.639 a lot. You know how many Justice books you're out there? 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.960 Shout out to Justice? But but uh, what did you 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.560 like like outside of learning this new this new trade? 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.960 What how did Holse did you handle the pandemic? Because 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.000 the ship was kind of you know, at first, it 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.359 was kind of like, I feel like the first couple 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.560 of months it felt like, oh well I could work 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.199 from home. I feel like I threw a lot. I 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.199 drew a lot of portraits and stuff like that. You 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.399 know really Yeah, that was actually the first thing that 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.879 I did as a kid. So you were always a 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:53.200 good artist. First talent that popped out was me drawing. Yeah, 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.560 so you was whipping up some portraits during the pandemic. Yeah, 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:01.199 you know, did you watch the Tiger what's the guy's name, 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.679 Tiger King? Did you watch Tiger King on Netflix? Oh? 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.480 You didn't watch that? You heard of that? Though I 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.199 heard of it. I ain't sitting on. It didn't grab me. 0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:14.960 I wasn't. You know, it wasn't a time frame where 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.320 it grabbed me enough to say, let me watch. What 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:22.400 are your thoughts on on you know, Chicago's music seeing 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.720 the last eight years, nine years with the drill ship 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:29.600 because the drill the drill, So when it first came 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.199 out for me, I really wasn't because I'm like, I 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.320 love the lyrical ship, you know what I mean, Like 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.320 it was just it was, it wasn't for me. I 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.080 mean I loved it. You know, a lot of people 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.280 have different different perceptions of music at different times. So 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.679 at that time, me listening to the music, it's a 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.199 lot of different reasons. Like you could listen to some 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.919 of the drill music and you will see, like damn, 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.720 from a DJ perspective, adrenaline rush fits right on top 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.840 of it, right right, yeah, yeah, So definitely I'm locked 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:04.400 in from that perspective. Then I saw too as technology 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.000 advanced and people got a chance to open their laptops 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:12.359 and see how Chicago really was from a Chief Keith perspective, 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.040 and little Dirk and all of these guys right here 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.840 that's coming up doing anything and you're like, wow, you know, 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.960 so now you got something new that you never saw 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.960 that and now we got another element added on to 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.600 hip hop with this old drill ol vibe and it 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.640 and it kind of shifted the way everybody is doing 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.760 their music. So because you know, like, not only was 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.840 I waiting on Chicago to just come with that constant 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.359 quality music, man, once they started lighting it up, man, 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.440 I was like, yeah, I feel like whatever you want 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.359 to say. Man, Like all has influenced everything going on 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.600 right now. Like we just were in New York interviewing 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.960 all the Brooklyn Drill rappers and it was like all 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.480 of them are just straight. Yo. I grew up listening 0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:01.680 to Chief Keith and Dirk and g Herbo and yeah, 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:03.560 and all those guys too, like shout out to Dirk, 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.320 shout out to g Herbo. Like those guys have evolved 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.800 musically too, that's right. Yeah, and their talents have young bulls. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.360 They be killing it. Man, I love it. You love it? 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.199 What else out of Chicago or you check? Because you know, 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:18.760 like I said, there's the other side of Chicago. You 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.080 know there's guys like Vic Mensa. I mean, obviously Chance 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.080 has been on quite a run since about twenty thirteen. 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.640 You like like, yeah, Vic Spencer too. Is a guy 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.520 named Vic Spencer and Chicago to be killing it to really? 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.919 Oh Vic Spencer, I think you said Vic Spencer, like 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.800 Vic Spencer, no, the Chicago slang Vic Spencer. Yeah, Yo, 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.080 what's going on with uh? With the Crucial Conflict guys? Man, 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.160 the last time I heard I heard ah, I want 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.840 to say it was was a Wild Style or or 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.200 one of them dudes was on vic Mensa was a 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.280 part of a group called the Kids These Days and 0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.080 the and they redid Hey okay, and I think the 0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:59.760 dude was on and I was like, yo, I used 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.600 to love the Final Tick. They still do show Final 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.200 Tick was my ship. Yeah, and they still perform those records. Man, 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.040 you you you definitely need to check out a Crucial 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.520 Conflict show. One of the guy's names is wild Style 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.360 was one of his names? Was it never? Yeh Never? 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.600 I'm trying to remember if I remember Wild Style Never? 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:24.040 Cold Hart and Co. Yeah, that ship and that showdown record. Yeah, 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.360 that was to tell you that album was a Crucial 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.480 Conflict you did. What's up with the Do or Die? Guys? 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.480 Still doing shows, still doing their games. I do a 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.280 lot of records with them. You know what would you 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.239 like like like you know, because because uh, there was 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.200 definitely a vibe about that music y'all were making, Like, 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.680 uh it was some because you know, we think of 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.840 Chicago and I remember as a kid seeing the documentary, 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.600 like getting the documentary from Blockbuster that I forget which 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.840 pimpin documentary was, but you remember they was doing pimping 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.000 documentaries in the nineties. Yeah, And I remember Ice T 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.360 went to the Player's Ball in Chicago go and there 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.880 was like all kinds of famous pimps. There was like 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.240 mister White. I can't even remember all the pimps in 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.280 this movie, but Chicago's known for pimping for that culture, 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.120 right yeah. Yeah, and that vibe and that player Ship 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.040 record got made. Yeah, and I felt like that some 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.680 of those records were just they kind of just fit 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:22.960 that vibe and it was something it was like it's 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.120 like it almost was like a real Midwest Like at 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.400 the time, there was West Coast, there was East Coast, 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:31.760 and like like that was like to me, like what 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.240 I what I kind of computed as like Midwest ship. Yeah, 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.600 I mean it was everywhere though. You you you definitely had it, 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.920 you know out this way, you know, a lot of 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.040 the Bay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but so I just 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:48.360 feel like when you when you input that vibe in 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.760 a certain place, I think it's just the aura, you know, 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:57.320 the aura the swag of the whole pimp culture, you know, 0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.800 more so than anything, just would affect the music and 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.400 the certain way, you know. One hundred. You got a 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.880 new project coming out for twenty Yeah, a joint project. 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.440 Yeah for twenty you know, like when you were speaking 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:14.520 of the young bulls in Chicago, definitely years. We can 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.280 talk about it. Man, we want to go grab him. 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:21.240 You're doing a joint album. It's my man, Relo. He 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.400 got some dope music. You know, in Chicago, we'd be 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.640 doing our thing. He'd be doing this thing in the studio. 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.360 You know, he's been working in my studio for a 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.160 long time, and uh, Relo' he'd be coming with it 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:39.960 all right. So for twenty what's what's the name of 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.320 the album? Man? The news and that news or nothing 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.840 news and nine? And how long have you guys been 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.400 making music together? He's been how long you've been working 0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:54.120 like two years? Okay, you I gotta figure this out 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.560 because this guy's you've you've killed so many rappers on 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:01.160 so many songs. It's like embarrassing, like you got you 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.120 gotta hit list of guys you just put under the 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.000 dirt on their own records. You know what I'm saying, 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.720 How it's never that man, but it is, it's not 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:13.360 It might not be that on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.480 you pick up I pick up the energy of the 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.040 of the artists I'm working with. I'm always excited about 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.640 the music and I always try to try to please. 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.760 So you yeah, what kind of pressure is it hopping 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.640 on a record with this guy or doing a whole 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.479 album blood alone. It's a lot of pressure. But you know, 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.760 I create, so I make sure the music ain one. 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.440 Everything gotta be up the part. You know. It's like 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.680 you say, definitely a legend. So I step in the 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.600 booth gonna make sure I gotta have everything in order. 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.960 And then plus you know, see you might not be 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.760 be into his music as of yet, but once you 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.040 get into his music and see how you know, how 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.800 artistic and prolific he is with it, you will see 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.320 it's not a problem for him to get on the record, 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.560 if anything. In some In some ways it's reverse a 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.800 lot of times because remember I'm I'm from a certain era, 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.280 and I have to stay relevant and keep up. And 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.680 if I don't stay fresh and youthful thinking, then I 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.840 can't mesh into that whole vibe. Right So, if anything, 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.080 I'm hearing fabulous, fabulous music when I come into the 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.400 studio every day. So when I get off of the 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.400 opportunity to get on it, I got to make sure 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.960 that when I'm on it, I ain't coming with something 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.600 that's like, man, you got Musha sound and old as hello. 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.200 You get what I'm saying. So, if anything, I gotta 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.600 kill it and have that same mentality just as much 0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:34.840 as he might. How many records it's on this projects? 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.640 Five records on that? Okay? So five piece nice? Still 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:41.240 five people? Are you from Chicago as well? South Side? Okay? 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.120 How would you say you described like you describe where 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.240 you fit into, like like the Chicago sound right now? Basically, 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.600 I'm just gonna usher in a new sound because, like 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.840 you say, it's a whole bunch of drill rappers. But 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.040 I'm coming. I'm telling the shorties to stay positive, create, 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.120 you know what I'm saying, dream and chase their gold. 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.840 So we trying to step outside of the drill and 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.000 just give them the real dig for show that's I 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:10.120 mean ship City for like that Birth Common and Hey, 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.239 I want to just acknowledge some of the most influential 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.600 guys that don't get love the cool kids. Shout out 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.160 to Chicago's on the cool Man, Shout out to Uck English, 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.360 Michael Rocks, you know those guys. Those guys have influenced 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.080 so much when it came to fashion and sonics and music, 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:28.880 and they they really get their credit, you know what 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.799 I'm saying. So those guys that are super legends, man, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.480 So shout out to the cool kids much love. So 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:39.640 the album comes out on the twentieth. Yeah, that makes sense. Man. 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.120 It's a holiday holiday definitely a holiday Yeah, and it's 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.000 a dope record. You're gonna like it. You're gonna be surprised. 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:52.919 Any features Yeah yeah, yeah, the one two punch Man. 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.279 You're gonna be surprised. You're gonna enjoy it. You're gonna 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.279 be like, oh man, all right, well yo ghost, go 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.359 go get that. And then are you working on any 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.359 any more solo? Shiit Twists? Yeah? After that, we got 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.880 I got a project solo that's gonna be called shoot 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.359 a Ready, Shoot a Ready, shoot a Ready. Yeah, so 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.480 that how many records are you on that it's pretty 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.680 much done. I probably got like one record to do 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.600 just because you know, and it's like a combination. It's 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.000 it's flat out my original sound, but it's a combination 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.520 of what you would normally hear me do musically, me 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.960 attacking and beats and music. And then you got me. 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.440 You got me doing music from the perspective talking about 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.799 guns from a perspective that you've never heard. You used 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.560 to rah rah gun ship, but I'm talking about guns 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.319 from a perspective you never heard before. So you're talking 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.520 about guns from the perspective of a guy who teaches 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:53.280 a gun course. Now, not that it ain't that simple, 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.440 right right, right, right right, you know, but when you 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.520 know you ain't gonna hear me say clip, you gonna 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.680 hear me say magazine. Okay, you know, but it's dope, 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.759 you're gonna hear it. Uh. Talk about what you're doing 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.520 with the real estate ship right now, because I think 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.480 the real estate market is I don't know how it 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.200 is in Chicago, but I don't know everywhere else. It's 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.120 crazy right now? Yeah, I mean, is that something that 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.960 you've been investing in it for a while Yeah, I mean, 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.200 we definitely dabble in that area too. You know, I 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.200 try to have my hands and a few things. Right now. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.040 They say, if you ain't got your hands in about 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.919 five if you ain't got income coming from like five 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.560 different sources, then you you lacking, you know, So we 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.640 definitely try to keep busy and things like real estate. 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.920 You know, what I do with the music, what I 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:45.520 do as far as the gun life, a bunch of things. 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.880 Has there ever been any talks because we got the 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:55.239 bad Boy Reunion tour, which was legendary, Yeah, there's been, 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.880 you know, so many dope, like it's kind of Has 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.160 there ever been anything kicked around about doing any sort 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:05.040 of like Rockefeller Reunion tour or show or anything like that. 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.520 I mean, I know that Dame Jay relationship is obviously 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.120 what it is. I don't know, but if they do it, 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.200 I gotta jump down. And if they do another Bad 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.480 Boy too, I'm gonna have to send a clip of 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.759 me doing is this the end of the Diddy so 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.880 he can see, like, damn, twist this ship like yesterday, 0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.680 so he can be like, come on in, come on, 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.280 you still got your Rockefeller Jane. Of course, that's something 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.239 that like, that's like history, man. Yeah, I need to 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.719 bust it out of the show or someone day or 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.439 an occasion, you know, a great moment or something. Bust 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.200 it out. Who actually, Like, do you remember the actual 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.359 show where you got to change? Because I remember seeing it. 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.120 I just don't remember, like like you said, it wasn't 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.800 in Chicago. But what was the actual remember the actual 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:54.040 place I was? I can't remember, but I remember how 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.320 the stage looked and everything, when Dang walked on stage, 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:00.279 how he gave it to me, the whole presentation thing, 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.640 so I was real good. Do you think Dame gets 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.480 it's like misunderstood sometimes because I feel like Dame's I 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.560 feel like he's I feel like when I when I 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.600 hear him talk, I understand what he's trying to say. 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.719 I just think sometimes he says it in a way 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.959 that might be off footing to certain people, a little 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.560 too rough, but I understand what he's saying. I always 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.480 understand what he's saying. Like he's never really wrong, he 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:28.040 just might have say it a little rough. Yeah. Yeah, 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.319 I definitely think he gets misunderstood a lot. But if 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.320 you listen to him the right way, like you said, 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:38.239 there's nothing but gems, so many gems. Yeah, did you 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.520 ever have one of those experiences with Dame where maybe 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:46.239 he because you know, I always think back to watching backstage, 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.719 you know the movie where he was going off on 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.440 Clue and and Kevin Lyles, And I mean did you 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.919 ever were you ever like a witness or a part 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:59.399 of a go off moment? Yeah, I'm glad I miss all. Yeah, 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.719 I wouldn't round those, Yeah, because like I feel like, 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.520 what year did you What year was We Are the Champions? 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.399 Was that in two thousand and two? Two thousand and one? 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.200 You know you're gonna have a problem trying to give 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.440 me the guest these years the match up these records 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:20.080 that was paid in full soundtrack? Hey, when when they 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.560 sent you that record We Are the Champions? Was everyone's 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.359 else ship already on it? Were you like like like 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:27.520 like how did you hear it? I was actually in 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.719 New York. I was actually standing in the studio with 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:36.080 Beanie Siegel with them talking about the record with with 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.480 with Dame explaining to me how he wanted it to 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.520 sound and everything, and uh, why did I record that? 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:48.840 I can't remember recorded record? Did? I recorded in Chicago? 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.960 And I can't remember when I recorded it, but I 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:57.239 remember writing it and I remembering in New York vibe. 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:04.120 You remember where I recorded Champions at Well, we got 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.160 the record in New York and I took it back 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.120 to Chicago. That's what happened. Were you there? Because I 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.600 always what I loved about Beanie Siegus verse on that 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.279 song is it was really not it was just really him. 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.880 It was just him talking going off. Yeah, like it was. 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.160 It was just like energy. It wasn't so much about 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.640 his rapping as much as it was like, yeah, you 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.040 know what I mean, like he would stop. Yeah. I 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.560 love that vibe he put on that. Were you around, like, 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:29.960 like you said, you were in with Beanie when that 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.480 record got like explained was he did he record it 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.719 that night or I don't think he recorded it that night, 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:40.920 but uh yeah, I don't think he recorded that night, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.600 but he was definitely around and just you know, the 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.200 whole vibe and everything. And then you know, I was 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.319 the new one to the team. So that's that was 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.520 the energy that I had on that record right there 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.200 on the Champion. Oh yeah, when they brought you on, 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.319 when Dame brought you on, it was like, oh man, 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.359 and then you just you hit the home run. Yo. 0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.200 Who's somebody who you've recorded a song with or that 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:00.719 you hopped on a record or with where you were 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.359 intimidated when it came to like you know, you've worked 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.880 with a lot of legends, man, and like I said, 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.520 you've you've done your thing on a lot of people's 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.640 records and made them look crazy. But who's somebody who 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.360 you were like extra? Like, Man, I really got to 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:21.879 bring my ship. Damn. I don't know. I mean, I 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:27.239 love hate doing records with Tech nine. Ah yeah, I 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.719 love hate doing records with that dude. You guys got 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.719 some ship? Did you gotta work? It is like I 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.759 know he feel the same way. Trust me, if you 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:39.080 ask him, you feel the same. Yeah. If you if 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.960 you're in a lazy mode, you don't want to do 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.520 a record, you gotta be ready, you gotta you gotta 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.200 like miss the ship out of rap tech N. I 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.200 feel like Tech nine always has the biggest chip on 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:49.840 his shoulder or what he raps like, no matter what 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.399 he's like, always it's like it's just there's a chip 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:56.200 and it's just it's too much going on. You you 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.160 were on, you were on, you were on the Worldwide 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:03.319 Choppers with Buster Rhymes, yellow Wolf. There was a lot 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.680 of people on that record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like that 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.479 record was crazy, Like when you go back and listen 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.520 to that, that was like eight minutes straight of people 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.919 just from all over the word, people from Instant, from 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.440 Turkey on there, all kinds of it was yeah, tech 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.120 Nis Man tech Nis also for a lot of artists. 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.200 If you want to come up, go watch a tech 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.120 nine concerts so you can figure out how to perform too, 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.040 because that motherfucker's a beast live. Oh yeah, so who 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.680 are you? You got another guy? It's probably a bunch 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.520 of them, but I can't think of any right now 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.320 that uh pops right in my head of course, j 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:48.440 of course Jay yeah, hm hmm popping popping tags. Was 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.440 one man do this record with this person, and I 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:58.840 was like, damn god mh. I wouldn't say, uh, worried 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:03.680 or scared, but probably my thought process on how I 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.680 was gonna come with my delivery or what to do 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.040 with this particular person. You know, so like damn this 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.600 such and such or this so and something right, you know, 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:18.800 so like Mariah somebody like that, you know, yeah, like damn, 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.520 you know, but like like another rapper or something like that. 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.359 It's probably somebody. I just can't think of anybody right 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:29.879 now besides Tech Technicals that's the one that and probably Buster. Yeah, 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.200 it's the work. You gotta put some damn work in 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.160 you gonna feel like all that sometimes for sure? For sure? 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:40.600 What's your favorite personally? Like, what's your favorite album of yours? 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:47.239 Adrenaline Rush. Adrenaline Rush. That was ninety seven, right, I'm 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.760 over asking you about years and ship about about ninety 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:54.080 six Adrenaline Rush. Man should remember, But yeah, I said, 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.160 I feel like that's an album too. That's also like, uh, 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.480 you know, we don't. It's it's one of them. I 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.560 feel like it's like a cult classic. Like my favorite 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.560 movie is called The Big Lebowski is right up there. 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:04.479 A lot of a lot of people don't talk about 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:06.719 The Big Lebowski. I feel like Adrenaline Rush is a 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.719 cold claxic, like it's like if you know, you know, 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:10.960 you know what I mean, you had to be there 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.880 type shit. Yeah, that's my joint right there. Man. That's 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.080 you know, of course Kama Kazi and my first album. 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.680 But Kama Kazi was like your commercial peak as far 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.759 as like hit records on an album, right, just like 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.480 that was like, yeah, yeah, I would call it my 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.440 commercial peak. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Do you think what 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.879 do you think like kind of you know, because you've 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.359 you've had such a long career, obviously still doing your thing, 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:40.640 but what do you think worked against you kind of 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:50.000 extending that peak longer? Me? Me loving rap from a 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.160 certain angle, you know, I always love rap from a 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.920 rapper's perspective and not a be in the industry's perspective, 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.960 and so sometimes some of that may have hindered me. 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.080 You know, always had the will to want to be 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:10.080 half normal, half amazing or in this thing, you know, 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.920 so I gotta have a little bit of normal in 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.640 my life, and I think that thought process kind of 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:20.279 you know, hinders me. And because because to be in 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:24.560 the industry, man like successful people outside of it don't 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.359 realize how much hard work it is. It's it's way 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.319 harder than the nine to five, but they don't know 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.080 that until they try to get in it and do it, 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.799 you know. So so you're saying essentially, like you know, 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.040 like like you said, you know, if you're in an industry, 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.640 you gotta go to functions, you gotta kind of you gotta. 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.520 I mean, you gotta kind of have fake friends, like 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.160 people who you kind of talk to just because it's 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.759 a good like. You know, there's associates. There's a lot 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:52.920 of people who you might consider acquaintance has been not 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.120 friends in the music industry, right man, You gotta do, 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.560 you gotta do. It's a lot of bullshitting other people 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.439 in this an extremely lot of bullshitting yourself. And it's 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.960 just only so much I can bullshit myself, you know 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.160 what I mean? So I just got to keep it real. 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:11.720 I wanted to be a dope ass rapper, rock shows, 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.360 rock people, put out records, and there was a certain 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.719 extent of it, you know. So so to get to 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.120 a certain level, to have to act a certain way 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:24.520 or be a certain way, or fake a certain friendship 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.560 with certain people. And isn't that I just couldn't be 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:31.640 into all that. What was a feature that almost happened 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:35.600 that didn't happen for you? Damn? Oh, I know it's 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.560 gonna be one that come right in. I always think 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.799 back to like just being like a big, a big 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.480 fan of Biggie and thinking like how I got a 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.640 late when I got a late? When I first off 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.520 let me say I love all rappers in Texas. I'm 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.839 a fan of all rappers in Texas. And with that 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.920 being said, I was just about to do a feature 0:46:55.080 --> 0:47:00.240 with Mo three. Oh yeah, we was like probably days away, right, 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.080 We were literally literally days away from working on a 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:09.160 record together. So he yeah, he passed. Was it this year? 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.759 Was it late last year? Most three is dope? Man? 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.880 He just put a new album out too, So that 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:18.759 just came out Friday. All of them guys dope man. 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.279 So you've always just been a big fan of the 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.359 Texas guys. Yeah, all the Texas got Dallas, Houston, all 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.440 of them. Yeah, hey shure, hey man. What was it 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.160 like coming up at the same time as Common in 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.520 the same city, because that's the common I mean I 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.799 loved Resurrection and like that era of Common, like when 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:34.960 he was common sense, like you guys kind of being 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.640 on like opposite sounds of the same like of the 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.080 same city. Like, did you guys have a good relationship 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.680 in the nineties, Like yeah, we was always cool. We 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.680 never really got a chance to like hang around each other, 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.200 like right as much as we probably could have, but 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.200 you know, just was on different vibes. You know, he 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.799 was a south Side guy was the West Side guy. 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:59.040 My music was, you know, more street orientated. His was 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.239 more hip hop orientated. You know, were you rooting for 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.640 him when he when he when he put out the 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:09.439 bitching you against Ice Cube? Oh yeah that was bad. 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.640 That was what was gonna happen, you know, but damn, 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:14.680 I didn't know what was gonna happen like that as 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:18.040 smooth as it happened. Yeah, I think Cube is self 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:21.120 even respected. I would out when I saw Cube too. Man, 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:25.360 I had a fan out moment of course. Yeah, like, damn, 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.960 there's a few of those guys ship. I mean, I 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.920 it's crazy because you know, losing DMX, that was one 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:32.640 of the few guys in hip hop I met who 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.080 I like, really was like starstruck, id like tell him, like, man, 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:37.719 you don't stand what you meant to me? Bro, Like 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.520 you know what I'm saying. I saw him at an 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.920 award show and I fanned out and didn't speak to him. 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.000 He was walking past, so he didn't really see me, 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.920 and I had the opportunity to probably speak to him, 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.960 but I just looked and fanned out. And because of 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.640 the current situation, that that's one moment I regret that 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:59.640 I didn't go straight at him. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy man. Yeah, 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.080 you know, he lived a good life. You know, there 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.520 was an interview clip that I saw recently on the 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.400 Drink Champs where he said, if I dropped dead tomorrow, 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:09.880 I lived a good life. And he did live a 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:11.799 good life man. Yeah, touched a lot of people. So 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.240 rest in peace to Dmax. Well, look, the new album 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:18.919 is out for twenty yeah, ep, and then a new 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.520 Twisted album will be coming shortly after its you said 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.560 it's pretty much done yep. For twenty we got News 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.759 at nine with Relo or Dreamer right here with your 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.880 Shot Town, and then we got Shoot Already that's coming 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.320 after that. We got a bunch of dope songs. You go. 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:36.239 It's like a mixture of Adrenaline Rush and Shooter song 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:40.719 features on that. Oh yeah, it's a few surprises on that. 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.600 I didn't go too hard with the features. It's a 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.480 few surprises. I kept it adrenaline Rush esque. Do you 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.520 enjoy being independent now, like as opposed to the major 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.279 label shit? Yeah, I've always enjoyed it once I got 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.000 into it, you know. Yeah, when we first started off, 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.960 we was killing it too, right. It's always like, you know, 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:06.320 it's I think nowadays, specifically back in the day, it 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.319 would makes sense to sign to a major label. Yeah. 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.839 I think once you learn, learn the ropes a little bit, 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:13.520 learn the business, got people on your team that can 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.960 kind of emulate what you would get from a record label, 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.759 and especially got some income. Well yeah, now I feel 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.920 like nowadays you get there, you go straight to the fans. 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:23.680 Back in the day, you kind of needed a label 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:29.239 to get to your fans. Yeah, because it's like technology 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:33.319 was expensive then. Yeah, now it's free labels they had 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.960 the money to do it. Right now, technology advanced to 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:40.480 the level where you know, it can't be controlled like that, 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.000 and and you know, in one way, so I think 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.880 a lot of artists today got an advantage. You know. 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:50.960 The advantage today is that you can use technology in 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.080 a way that we couldn't in the past. The other 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:59.520 difference though, is that the playing field you got so 0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:03.880 many people to be up against that also have the 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.440 Internet for free, got you, and so it kind of 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:10.040 balances itself out. You have the ogs like, oh, y'all 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:14.120 got it easier than us, because not really, because Newcat's 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.799 got to go against a million other people. When you 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.680 were probably the only person rapping in your neighborhood, right, 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.120 because now everyone's rapping. Everyone can get fruity woops, everyone 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.560 can go buy a mic for one hundred dollars or so. 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.879 So it evens itself out. Yeah, it's like you got 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.160 the little perception, the gifting, the curses of each era 0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.200 even themselves out for sure, because like now you got 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.600 like you said, it's the everything's so saturated. It's like 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.319 it's like DJing. You know, back in the day, you 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.160 had to buy records, you had to learn how to 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:45.239 actually mix. You know. Now you got a laptop, you 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.120 download some songs. Yeah, you get a little controller and 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:50.759 you go do a gig. Back in the day, it 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:52.719 was not like that. But now you know, you can 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:58.719 literally play a video of a DJ's old DJ set, right. 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.920 That shit crazy. Well, look Twisted, Thank you for coming through, man, 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.920 the legend Twister. Go get your new new project. Appreciate 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:11.040 you coming through. Man. Let's get to it. Boom perfect 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:12.320 much love y'all,