1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. He's the popular host Tuesday NBA on TNT 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: host the Leftco Show on Bleacher Report. Adam Leftco joining 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: us on the program left Goo Good to have you on. Dan, 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Good to be here. Just want to say I woke 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: up today and you know sometimes when the voice just 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: feels crispy when you wake up and you can't explain it. Yeah, 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: it's happening, and I feel great. Oh oh, that's a 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: good sounding voice, is what you're saying. I mean, I 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: was getting ready to say that you had a top 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: five voice of all time, and I was hoping to 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: one day stand in the shadow of that voice. But 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: seeing as how you're attacking today, Thanks Dan, Good to 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: see you as well. Is that a Cranberry Volure shirt? 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: So that velvet Cranberry is an interesting use of the 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: word maroon. It's very soft. I wanted you to think 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: that I had either expensive pajamas or I just like 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: have a strong sweater game. It's kind of a Merlau. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: You're wearing like you're walking Merlot. Yeah, you know, for me, 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: it's more of a pedo noir oka or okay button 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Merlot is nice. And I like the way that Tragger 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: read earlier. I almost bought a trigger grill, I did. 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Was it that good? I mean, convincing you can make 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: cocktails on it? Yeah? She was like, this is incredible. 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: We've made cocktails, We've made pies on there, and then 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: you can make anything you want. Really wow, incredible. But 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: you're a big time I mean, you should be able 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: to afford a trigger grill. I don't. I have never 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: lived in a place in which a grill could exist. 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: Have either been in New York for eight years. I'm 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: currently in an airbnb in Atlanta. I don't know what 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: it's like to have a yard. Dan, I'm not an 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: adult yet. It's an issue. And you went with the turtleneck. 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: You're rocking the turtleneck. Is that it? I like it. 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm just worried about turtleneck. Late March, early April in Atlanta. Uh, 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: I kind of came into it and I said, Ernie 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: in that chair has taken bow ties and made it iconic. 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: And the last thing I wanted to do was to 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: be another suit and tie. You know that that's over. 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: And I kind of looked around and I said, when 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I think back to my college experience. Who was the 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: creepiest person, Ah, the old guy that comes back in 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: a turtleneck, And I tried to channel that. I'm just 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: having fun. And the greatest thing with NBA on TNT 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: is that people feel comfortable insulting you and then I 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to clap back at them, which has 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: been very enjoyable. Did anything change yesterday in the NBA 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: as far as yeah, seismic shift the power rankings there. 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: For me, the team that caught my attention the most, 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: maybe surprisingly, was the Denver Nuggets. I really thought that 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets were going to have a big second half, 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: mainly because they had so much depth that was hurt 53 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: in the first half. And when I looked that them, 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: I was like, Nicole Yokis just been carrying this team 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: by himself twelve thirteen triple doubles, but now he has 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: athleticism and size around him. Aaron Gordon JaVale McGee won 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Yokich's ability to pass that two man game. Now with 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon, I don't need you to dribble, go run 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: at the hoop, Yokis is going to hit you. But 60 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: when they lost Jeremy Grant, when they lost Plumy last year. That, 61 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: along with Jamal Murray and Yokis, gave a lot of depth, 62 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: and it really seems like the NBA went. Anthony Davis 63 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: is a ways away. According to Frank Vogel and Lebron James, 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: we don't see him get hurt that often. It was 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: as if everybody woke up. Denver caught my attention because 66 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: now I think they have the athletic biggs, and when 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: I look at the Clippers, they don't have the biggs. 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: When I look at the Lakers, Gasol is still trying 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: to work on his conditioning. They don't really have the 70 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: biggs right now. So Denver really caught my attention. And 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: I always wondered that though Adam, if somebody was going 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: to be like counterintuitive of hey, we can't match you 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: with this, so we need you to try to match 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: what we do. Now you deal with us as opposed 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: to us trying to be like everybody else in the NBA. 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Is that what Denver's doing Sure does seem like it. 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: I like the fact that there was a number of 78 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: teams that maximized the short window of their stars and 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: were honest about it. Don't wait for Gary Trent Junior 80 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: to become Norman Powell. Get Norman Powell. Don't wait for 81 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: Zach Levine to maybe get to free agency and go. 82 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what it would be like to be with 83 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: an athletic big get Vucevic put him out there. And 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: so for Denver, they're like, we don't think last year 85 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: was a fluke. We don't think that that Jamal Murray 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: that we saw in the bubble all of a sudden 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: went away. It's funny. The bubble guys are starting to 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: come back. Jamal Murray is starting to come back. Tyler 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: heroes starting to come back. We forget that they had 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: like three weeks between the end of the bubble and 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: the regular season. We're like, why isn't this continuing? So 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't think Denver was a flash in the pan, 93 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: and I think they were. Let's get some athletes around 94 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Yokish and make it easier for him. I mentioned this 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes ago. Can you remember a player who 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: averages four points a game and gets as much attention 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: as Rajon Rondo does. M I thought you're gonna talk 98 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: about Kelly Olennock. I thought you're gonna say you ever 99 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: see someone get four points a game they get traded 100 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: for like a former All Star. Rondo has so much 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: respect from every NBA player when that trade, you know, 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: because let's be honest, Shack gets out there a need 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the list of the truths so he can look at them, 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, and he goes, Oh, Rondo, it's his IQ. 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: We've read the stories before about how nobody learns the 106 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: pocket of a shooter of his team better than Rondo 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: and puts those perfect passes the leadership. That's the reason 108 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: they brought him to Atlanta was to mentor Trey and 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the whole experience with the coach there didn't work out. 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: But it is interesting that when I was looking at 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: the crunch time numbers, the under five minutes for the Clippers, 112 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: how much everything fell apart and it turned into ISO 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: ball where it was Paul George figure it out, Kauai 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: figure it out. And now that Rondo can be out there. 115 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: The other thing that I love is Montrez Harrold goes 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: from the Clippers to the Lakers, and it felt like 117 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: this backstabbing and it's now like the Clippers got their 118 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: former Laker from last year to come right. So I 119 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: pray that if the Lakers do fall, they fall to 120 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: a spot in like six or seven to where they 121 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: have to play the Clippers in the first round, because 122 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: that would be unbelievable. Rondo a Hall of Famer, oh man, 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are Hall of famers. 124 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: The Pro basketball or the basketball Hall of Fame is 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: very loose. But he's got a number of titles he was, 126 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: but they're far more lenient with the basketball Hall of Fame. 127 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he won anything at Kentucky and is 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: what one year there? No, I believe, but Billy Gillespie, Yeah, 129 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: I feel like Rondo is a Hall of Fame going 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. I hear a lot of 131 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: people just say hall of famer, you know, so, yeah, 132 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I would. I mean, I'm hearing Kyle Lowry's a Hall 133 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: of Famer, really, Rudy Gobert is a Hall of Famer. 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: These are things I hear people say all the time. 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Because you look at You're like, oh, Rudy Gobert, it's 136 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: a two time defensive Player of the Year. Oh yeah, yeah. 137 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: And it's we look at the It's tough because it's 138 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: we look at them in a vacuum. But its NBA's lose. 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I just know that whenever the Hall of Fame comes up, 140 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: Shack is like, I wish it was tighter. It's the 141 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Hall of every body, like he only wants like him. 142 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: Kareeman will like that's all he wants in. There is 143 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: like four guys. Yeah, we are a lot more lenient 144 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball because you have to we 145 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: know nothing of the process. Tom. It's not like the NFL, 146 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: where we know there's this conference room and there's writers 147 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: and we know who's pitching you and what was the 148 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 1: argument against you, and we know the votings. The NBA 149 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: it's like hunger games and they're like and these are 150 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: the six names and we're like, wait, how did you 151 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: how did you get there? How did that happen? Nobody 152 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: is allowed to know. Yeah, I saw the latest odds 153 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: after the trade deadline. It's the Niche, the Lakers, and 154 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: then the Clippers. All right, Like, what are the Clippers 155 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: done that would make you think they're the third best 156 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: team to win a championship here? Maybe I'm biased, but 157 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: I thought the Sixers would be ahead of the Clippers. 158 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean and beads out and they've won eight of 159 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: eight and one in their last night. I got the 160 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Bucks in the Jazz and then the Sixers with these odds. 161 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Tobias Harris is only up to season average 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: by five to like twenty five points per game. Simmons 163 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: is like a walking triple double and he sometimes doesn't 164 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: even need points to even come near it. They now 165 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: add George Hill that that's interesting. The Bucks are slept on, 166 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: and I'm a part of the problem because I am 167 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: one of those media members that has suffered Bucks fatigue 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: and Boudenholzer fatigue, and I'm sitting there going, you haven't 169 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: adapted in the playoffs the last three years, and I'm 170 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: self conscious worrying that they're gonna pull the Raptors where 171 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: when they won, everybody's like, yeah, we'll prove it to 172 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: me in the playoffs, and we just write them off 173 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: all season long. I love the PJ. Tucker edition, and 174 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: I think we've forgotten that Drew Holliday is there and 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: he missed a large chunk of time with COVID. And 176 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: then the Nets, though to me, are the most fun 177 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: watch in the NBA, and at the end of the day, 178 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: we can look at odds, but I think they're the 179 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: best team in the NBA because you have hardened Kyrie 180 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: and Durant, and when those guys are clicking, I don't 181 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: know who's stopping them. Because playoff basketball is half court basketball, 182 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: and it's a one on one game, and all three 183 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: of those guys are a walking bucket. But the Lakers 184 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: I have a real concern with If Anthony Davis has 185 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: a calf strain, which is the same injury that Kevin 186 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Durant had before he popped as achilles, we cannot take 187 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: it lightly because it's also a mental thing for Lebron. 188 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: He has played ninety three percent of the games that 189 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: his teams have he has missed I think in his 190 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: career one one hundred and four games, he has played 191 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: almost fifty thousand minutes and missed one hundred and four games. 192 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: And not all those were injuries. A lot of those 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: were just let's get some rest on the second half 194 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: of a back to back, and so when he went 195 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: down writhing in pain, it is open. But yeah, I'm 196 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you with the Clippers, where I go, Okay, 197 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: where's the big guy that's going to defend embat if 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: he's there, or defend if the Nets end up pulling 199 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: anybody else or Anthony Davis if he's healthy. And look, 200 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: I love Paul George. He's having a career true shooting season. 201 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: But we've seen this story before and it's not one 202 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: that I enjoy reading. Keep rocking the valure, keep rocking 203 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: the turtleneck, but just keep on rocking in the free world. Okay, 204 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: And that was great, By the way, Can I ask 205 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: one quick question before you kick me off? Yes? You can? 206 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: You told me to be stocked in, Yes, man, I 207 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: want to be iverson and I just want to know 208 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: did you have any other broad casting hosting advice or 209 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: analysis of what I need? Like what do I really 210 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: suck at dan Um? But there's nothing wrong with starting 211 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: at Stockton because your job is to distribute. But when 212 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: you want to call your own number, then it'll stand 213 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: out even more. If you call your number all the time, 214 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: then I think you get in the way of the 215 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: people who they've done this before. But when you want 216 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: to go and you can be Magic Johnson against the 217 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: Sixers in the NBA Finals and you know, go for 218 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: forty two points, But the other times your job is 219 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: to set those guys up. You got to have at 220 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: least ten assists at night. I like that you mentioned 221 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Magic in the finals because he saved it for the stage. 222 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean pick your spot. You didn't do 223 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: it here, but pick your spot when you want to 224 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: be really good. Okay, that burn brought to you by 225 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: triggered grills. Not going to do it on our grills. 226 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Well do it on the show. Look at that voice. 227 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: How listen to that voice? Not as good as this voice? 228 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: No one, not as good as this voice. Yeah we know. Yeah, yeah, 229 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: keep your head up. Okay, thanks pal, all right, that's 230 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: Adam Lefco. 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So whether it's talking to a 239 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, The 240 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Lights Out Podcast will bring it to you the only 241 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: way I know how to. I'm giving you the best 242 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: insight from the best we've ever done it. Listen to 243 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: Lights Out with Sean Merman, or the iHeartRadio app or 244 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Dan Lebertard, the artist formerly 245 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: known as Dan Labertary. How do I introduce you? Dan? Well, 246 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: not formerly? What is this? You go to ESPN, you 247 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: leave ESPN and you immediately become formerly No lo, I 248 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: don't want to become formally anything. You can introduce you 249 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: my name as your friend, Dan Lebotard at following in 250 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: your footsteps, trying to do the pipe ring thing of 251 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: breaking free from the mothership. Any trepidation when you decided 252 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: to leave, or now that you left, I bring this 253 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: up that I came home, made the right move, and 254 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: then six weeks later I'm at home by myself with 255 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: the family dog, and I went, oh, I think I 256 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: just made a terrible mistake. Any of those feelings Saturday 257 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: every day, and Saturdays are pretty cool right up until 258 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: every day is Saturday, and then you're like, well, I 259 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: lost sense of time. There's always gonna be doubt and 260 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: fear and pain when you leave something comfortable. I have 261 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: learned later in life. It took me a long time 262 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: to learn it that you should generally lean into the 263 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: fear and the doubt and the pain. It's where you 264 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: need to be going to get to growth. So it 265 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: took me a long time to learn that, but it 266 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 1: is something to lean into. So of course I'm also responsible. 267 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: You know this, Dan, You and I have talked about this. 268 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm responsible for a lot of people. I'm responsible for 269 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people I care about, and so it's 270 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: more of the pressure of that. If not for the 271 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: pressure that I might already be on a boat somewhere 272 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: far away from debating whether or not Chris Paul fits 273 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City. What exactly are you doing and what 274 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: are the plans for the future. It's a very broad question. 275 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: What I would say is I am vigorously enjoying and 276 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the freedom that I did not realize 277 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: had a great deal of power to it. When you 278 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: are us, Our businesses have been run by middlemen and 279 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: agents and agencies for a long time, and it's been 280 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: a bit startled to see once you get outside of 281 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: the corporate machine, Oh my god, there's a whole playground 282 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: here of people who want to work with you, creatives 283 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: who want to do stuff with you. Who are starved 284 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: for similar freedom. So I've just seen a lot of 285 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: instances already where I've been moved right as the son 286 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: of Cuban exiles, I've been moved by freedom being even 287 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: bigger than I imagined. And freedom has always been the 288 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: thing I've negotiated. Freedom has always been front of mind, 289 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: it's always been priority. But to see maximum freedom, you 290 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: can work with anybody. You can choose anything you want. 291 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that I deserve what it is that 292 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: that is because it fills me with a great deal 293 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: of gratitude to be free of all shackles, to be 294 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: able to speak my mind without any encumbering whatsoever, and 295 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: to work only the rest of the way dan only 296 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: with people I like. I don't have to do it anymore. 297 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I do not have to work with anybody I don't 298 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: like the rest of my life. That's not going to happen. 299 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: Let's name some names here. Do you want to do? 300 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: You want to get that out there too? People? People 301 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't like, Yes, people I don't like. What is 302 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: it you go first? Given? What's the disparagement language in 303 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: your contract? What are the confidential confidentially? You know? I 304 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: left with all my stuff. You know, I got out 305 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: of ESPN and I took I was able to leave 306 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: with all my stuff, right, so I am not allowed 307 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: to say bad things about certain people. That was the trade, 308 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: you know what I took. I got my ties, all 309 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: my ties that I wore on the air. That was it. 310 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: You have a lot of them though that Yes, I 311 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: don't know if these it can be non fungible tokens 312 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: now in the new commerce economy that I don't understand. 313 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: But maybe these ties are words something or videos of 314 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: these ties are words something. Yeah, But also that you know, 315 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: the media landscape is changing. I don't know if it's 316 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,359 Speaker 1: ever changed this fast, right, right, I mean, it's unbelievable 317 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: how fast has changed. I've been amazed by this, Dan, 318 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: Like this happened to newspapers, right if the newspapers who 319 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: were throwing yesterday's news on your lawn and asking you 320 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: to pay for it and giving it to you more 321 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: immediately on your computer for free, and of course it 322 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: kills newspaper. Radio doesn't pay attention, television doesn't pay attention, 323 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: movies don't pay attention, and all of them get swallowed 324 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: by the same thing, which is today. I get what 325 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: I want when I want it. I don't live by 326 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: a television schedule. I don't live by when you want 327 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: to give me television or radio. I am on demand 328 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: all the time. And so this is a great time 329 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: to be free because this is a golden age of content. 330 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the companies keeping up our 331 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: economy is Netflix, and the others who want to get 332 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: into the game are Amazon and Google and everybody else. 333 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: I was actually surprised to see football and hockey go 334 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: traditional routes are largely traditional routes, old school television and 335 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: streaming rights as opposed to choosing some of these new models. 336 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Because this game is going to be totally different in 337 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: five years, Dan, because here comes the gambling money too. 338 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Like it's like, in five years, all of this is 339 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: going to be hugely different than it is right now. 340 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: What is the big topic that you guys have been 341 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: dealing with with your podcast? Is there a sports topic 342 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: that has been front and center our specialty and no 343 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: one else can have It is just narcissistic, ego soaked 344 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: naval gazing. That is the number one thing that we 345 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: do and as it relates to sports, we enjoy talking 346 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: about the Miami Heat a lot because we've over the 347 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: last ten years in Miami basketball, It's been cool to 348 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: learn a lot about basketball, just the measurements watching. I mean, 349 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: how long have you been doing this? Dan? It is 350 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: rare to be watching sports and see, whether it's the 351 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: shift in baseball or the way that the three point 352 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: line has dominated basketball, where you see evolutions that make 353 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: you one, Hey, how good would Shack be today? Wait 354 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: a minute, Andre Drummond went from something I wanted to 355 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: something I'm not sure I want anymore because everybody is 356 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: outspread out on the perimeter like you never get to 357 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: see real time. Evolutions in sports are lived through them 358 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: like that where you realize it not looking back on it, 359 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: but watching it in real time. How's your wife doing? 360 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: She's a source of perpetual happiness, my muse, and the 361 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: reason that I was able to summon the ability to 362 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: leave the safest platform in sports to jump off a 363 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: cliff because I want to follow love and freedom. Thank 364 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: you for asking. By the way, the audience should know, well, 365 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to even say this on the air. 366 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I was going to tell the audience that 367 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: my wife wishes you or her father, but I would 368 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: never do that. I don't want to say that on 369 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: the air, So I'm glad we're not talking about this publicly. 370 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: And I you know, I would sing that Madonna song, 371 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: I will be your father figure, put your tiny hand 372 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: in mind, and your wife would then sing along with me, 373 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: and I land a pro stopped flirting with my wife, 374 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: stopped serenading my wife, stopped singing to my wife. Deeply, 375 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable or uncomfortable than I was just making making 376 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: her your father, really making you her father. Was there 377 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: any thought of not taking Stugots when you left? Not 378 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: from my end? There were many thoughts from Stugots of 379 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: just because I'm William H. Macy and Boogie nights in 380 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: terms of my marriage, where I always end up on 381 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the parking lot, in the parking lot and there's Stu 382 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: Gots flirting with Golick, you know, like on my end, 383 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: I always intended to be with Gotsu Gots. Well, you 384 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: know you were at the wedding. Did he didn't he 385 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: drive you home because he was didn't he angle for 386 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: a job with you? Yes he did, Yes he did, 387 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Yes he did. Um Hey, happy to be glad to 388 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: talk to you and my best everybody there and hopefully 389 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: we'll cross pass here soon. I love you, buddy, Always 390 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: good talking to you. Take care. That's Dan Leabatar. Fox 391 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 392 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 393 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: com and within the iHeartRadio app search sr to listen live. 394 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: The CBS college basketball analyst, and a man who had 395 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: the nicknames Special K when he was in high school Clark. 396 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: How are you today? Hey, always good to check in 397 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: with you. I'm doing well and I trust that you 398 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: could say the same. When's the last time you were 399 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: called Special K? Yes, the other day. They called me 400 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: that in the studio quite a bit. As a matter 401 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: of fact, Seth calls me that's some other folks that 402 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: are part of our behind the scenes broadcast team that 403 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: help us look good and sound good. They referred to 404 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: me as that. Some of my golfing buddies will throw 405 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: that out if I'm not in their pocket, but yeah, 406 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: I hear it on occasion. Yeah, I'm kind of a 407 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: natural connector having the last name in Kellogg and distinguishing 408 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: myself a little bit. And you my hardwood and my 409 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: days of playing. Yeah, now you scored fifty in the 410 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: state championship game fifty one in Ohio? Is that is 411 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: that record still? Did that still stand? Yeah? It does. 412 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: It was in the championship game. And actually, it's interesting 413 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned that we just had the sad news. I 414 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: played against Granville Waiters in that game, and he was 415 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: my roommate in college at Ohio State, and we just 416 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: got word a few days ago that he sadly passed 417 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: on COVID complications are suspected. But he always had that 418 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: up on me, that one leg because I have the 419 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: state championship single game record and he got the trophy 420 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: because they beat us in that game, and as much 421 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: as we loved each other, he would always jab me 422 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: about that on the case it. So that's one of 423 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: my farm memories of my former roommate and good friend. 424 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I still have. They only get one chance 425 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: a year, Dan go after and you got to be 426 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: in the end. You gotta be in the championship game. 427 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a championship game record, so they 428 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: only get one shot at it, and a couple of 429 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: guys have come close, but so far it's still standing. 430 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: But as you know, just about all records are meant 431 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: to be broken and eventually that wont to crawl too, 432 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure. And when you went to the Indiana Pacers 433 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: out of Ohio State, do you remember you're Welcome to 434 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: the NBA moment as a rookie, Yeah, I do, I do. 435 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: It was it was Spencer Haywood. He was playing. I 436 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: think it was for the Wizards, and he occasionally brings 437 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: him up when I bump into him. But he was 438 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: a veteran near the end of unbelievable player. I remember 439 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: reading about him and then watch him a little bit 440 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: in his prime and then he but he was near 441 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: the backside of his career, but he was still a 442 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: wily veteran. And I think I shot like two for 443 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: eighteen and he was in my ear the whole time. 444 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: And the other thing he did to me, which I 445 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: never forgot, I was trying to deny him as he 446 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: went across the lane trying to get to the post, 447 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: and I had my arm out away from my body 448 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: and I tried to deny him. He locked my arm 449 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: and dragged me in front of the official and screamed, 450 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: and guess who got the file? You did? Yeah, well 451 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: he was a grown man. Then he laughed it laughed 452 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: at me after he did it. He suckled. Your first 453 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: game against Michael Jordan, you you had, you had a 454 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: great game your first game, right, I played well. I 455 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: mean at that time, you know, the Placers weren't playing. 456 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: We were struggling. The Bulls were not where they would 457 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: get to as a championship. So that team, so that 458 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: was a team, a couple of teams, Cleveland the Bulls 459 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: that were kind of we felt on our level. We 460 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: were all in transition, trying to build something and deal 461 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: with Milwaukee and the Bucks, the Bucks and the Sixers 462 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: and the self trying to get to that level. And 463 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, we always felt like we competed. Actually, in 464 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: my first couple of years, I think we pretty much 465 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: split our games, and I typically performed if I recall correct. 466 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's almost out of my rear actually, it 467 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: is out of my rear view mirror. I can't even 468 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: see that Jordan had twenty seven. This is his first 469 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: week in the NBA. You had thirty one. Jordan had 470 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: twenty seven. So you owned Michael Jordan. No, no, no, 471 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: there you go. You go reach to trying to connect 472 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: nuts that aren't close. Okay, okay, all right, my bad. Definitely, 473 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: I thought you I thought you owned him. My bad, 474 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm bad. We're talking to Clark Kellogg, CBS Sports College 475 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: basketball analysts studio analysts. Is it easier to explain what 476 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: happened with the Pac twelve or what didn't happen with 477 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: the Big Ten? I think you can go either way 478 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: on that, because that's two sides of the same coin. Man. 479 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: You know, we have this conversation on occasion in basketball 480 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: circle is a really good conference regular season, there's not 481 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: pour ten for a great tournament season for the conference. 482 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: You play teams in the tournament, you play against your 483 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: conference opponents in the conference. So the Big Ten and 484 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: Big twelve, clearly, based on how those teams performed during 485 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: the regular season, were arguably the two best leagues in 486 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: the country. I don't think there's any de nine or 487 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: debating that once the tournament starts, unless you play against 488 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: all Big ten opponents as the Pac twelve, and there 489 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: were a couple of There was a woodshed from Oregon 490 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: on Iowa. There was a win UCLA over Michigan State, 491 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know if there were any other interconference 492 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: collisions between the Pac twelve and Big Ten. I don't 493 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: think so. So that said, clearly, the PAC twelve has 494 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: had a remarkable run during the tournament. Those teams were 495 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: good and inconsistent for different reasons, but a fair minted 496 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: nicely and played and then you get Oregon State that's 497 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: been outstanding and it's two wins to get to this point, 498 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: not to mention rolling through the PAC twelve tournament in 499 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: a tournament they had to win to be on this stage. 500 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: So kudos to the PAC twelve. I mean, clearly, they've 501 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: had a remarkable run in the tournament, but it doesn't 502 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: dismiss the quality of play during the regular season for 503 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: the Big Ten. It's unfortunate that it wasn't able to 504 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: be validated. And during this time of year, you know, 505 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: it almost feels like they're two top heavy teams. It's 506 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Baylor and it's Gonzaga and then Baylor, and then it 507 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: feels like we take a little bit of a step 508 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: down with Michigan because they don't have one of their 509 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: better players. Do you see it that way that it's 510 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: it's real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've actually felt that way. 511 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Baylor had a bit of a snag and 512 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: speed after coming out of an extended pause, and their 513 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: pause is a little different than the pause that Michigan had, 514 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: where Michigan came out after a couple of weeks off 515 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: and played really well because none of their players actually 516 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: a contracted the virus, whereas very which players actually a 517 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: few of them had gotten sick. So there was a 518 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: difference in their recovery. And now that they've had the 519 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: benefit of some time together, they're healthier, and so for 520 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: if they showed another level of what they showed pretty 521 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: much during the early season and regular season. I mean, 522 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: that's an elite defensive team with the quartet of guards 523 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: that can do everything you want guards to do at 524 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: both ends of the floor, pressure of the ball, help out, 525 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: dig down on the post, make threes, dribble drive to 526 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: create shots for other people, dribble drive to finish with themselves. 527 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no weakness with their four guards, and 528 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: that's where it intrigues me. If in fact both advanced 529 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: gonzagg in Baylor, if they were to match up, then 530 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: that would be one that would be really interesting to watch. 531 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Could Baylor disrupted gonzagg in the back court. I don't 532 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: see if there I don't think there's another team out 533 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: there that could, So I've got dissagg to winning it all. 534 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: Have had them in that position since probably midway through 535 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: the season. Beyla would be my second choice, and I 536 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: think the winner of the Michigan Florida State game would 537 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: be the next team I would look at. You will 538 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: see is intriguing if they advanced man because they can defend. 539 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: They've got size up front and good perimeter defenders. And 540 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: then after that, I'm not enamored with anybody else and 541 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm right, but I just wouldn't be I 542 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't have great conviction and picking the remaining any of 543 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: the remaining teams to beat Gonzaga. This Just in Texas 544 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: coach shock as smart as headed to Marquette. According to 545 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Jeff Goodman, is this a preemptive move of all, leave 546 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: before I get fired, will jump before they pushed? I 547 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, but interesting. Yeah, well, the 548 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Carosell starts. You know, there are a number of spots 549 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: that are open and new leadership in different places. All 550 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: of that lends to change and transition, and so yeah, 551 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: that was a tough way for that was also one 552 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: of the more painful things to watch on Just As 553 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: a fan of shot us to see that loss, and 554 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: then the way he took it was just it was 555 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: it was It was hard. But that's part of the 556 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: the agony of defeat. So why it's called madness. Clark 557 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: exactly right, That's exactly right, madness. One more item here. 558 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: Porter Moser has been great at Loyola, he's been here before. 559 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: At what point do you jump from Loyola to take 560 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: another job, um or do you get to a point where, 561 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: almost like Mark Hugh at Gonzaga, he realized that that 562 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: person wants to stay in that location. Well, you took 563 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: the thought right out of my head. I mean, that's 564 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: always a personal call then unless you're up folks to 565 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: somebody and no kind of where they are in life, 566 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: season and cycle, what pushes their buttons, what motivates them, 567 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: what's on the horizon they'd like to grab hold of. 568 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, fit is important, success is important, But each 569 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: individual has to make that call for themselves. And obviously 570 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Mark has decided the things that Gonzaga offers him, and 571 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: competitiveness and opportunity and lifestyle and all of that is 572 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: more important than any offers he got in the past. 573 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how that plays out for Porter Moser. 574 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: But that's a question, you know. George Ravlin has a 575 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: quote that says, the greatest battle of your life will 576 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: always be you versus you, and so you have to 577 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: be willing to determine what it is you seek and desire, 578 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: and if it's out there and you want to pursue it, 579 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: go after. If not, be okay with staying put. So 580 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's going to play out, but 581 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: I love watching that team play and I love how 582 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: he coaches, so he'll have an opportunity to keep doing 583 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: it for as long as he'd liked to, in my opinion, 584 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: Have fun tomorrow, play nice and always great to catch 585 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: up with you. Clark, thank you, love it, Dan, thank 586 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: you man, Healthy and safe, that's Clark kell On