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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a good day

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Speaker 1: night doubleheader. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan

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Speaker 1: podcast studio talking to my friend for the second time today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you read him at ESPN, you listen to his podcast,

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell Show, and he's been maybe the defining NFL

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Speaker 1: writer of his generation. I'll say it. I did his

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Speaker 1: podcast earlier in the day. Everyone check that out. And

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Speaker 1: you're here to join me Bill to talk a really

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Speaker 1: good five pack of games.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg. What an intro. I think of myself

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Speaker 3: as the defining writer NFL writer, at least of my

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Speaker 3: own household.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm trying to think who else it would be.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast for another date.

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Speaker 1: Like Greg, Bishop is a sneaky one in the mix,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm Connor.

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Speaker 2: Connor Or is great.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying, yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really right anymore. But we're not going to

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Speaker 1: talk about that. We are going to talk about doubleheaders.

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Speaker 1: So the Bears and the Packers, they're playing twice over

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Speaker 1: the next eighteen days, or at least, you know, after Sunday,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have a Thursday night game to cap this

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Speaker 1: like two for and we're going to talk also later

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Speaker 1: about the Monday night game, the Houston Kansas City, the

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Speaker 1: Sunday night game. It's gonna be great, But I think

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Speaker 1: we have to start with this Packers game. Packers are

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Speaker 1: favored by six and a half. It's the Kevin Burkhart

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady game in the afternoon, and the Bears continue

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Speaker 1: to ascend in terms of the quality of the opponent. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting the Packers over the Eagles at this point,

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Speaker 1: and ascend in terms of the importance of the game.

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Speaker 1: What concerns you because that's a pretty big number the

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Speaker 1: Packers are favored by in a game where you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bears are the number one seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: If the Bear let's say, don't even cover that number

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Speaker 1: where it's more than a touchdown in this game, what

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Speaker 1: do you think would go wrong for the Bears for

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Speaker 1: them to lose by two scores.

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Speaker 3: Let's say their defense would stink. And unfortunately, Greg, we

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Speaker 3: talked about this as we were taping my show earlier.

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Speaker 3: The Bears defense might stink. It might actually be a

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Speaker 3: bad defense. So stat I would refer to here is

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Speaker 3: points allowed per drive on drives that do not end

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Speaker 3: in fumble recoveries or interceptions. Basically, what do you do

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Speaker 3: when you don't force a turnover. The Bears are twenty

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Speaker 3: ninth in the NFL in points allowed per drive by

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Speaker 3: that metric, so basically their defense is turnover or bust.

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Speaker 3: And thankfully, they have the highest turnover rate in football,

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Speaker 3: second highest rate of any team over the last ten seasons.

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Speaker 3: So they force a lot of turnovers, which is very good.

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Speaker 3: The problem is they are playing a Packers team which

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Speaker 3: has the fewest giveaways of any offense in football this year,

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Speaker 3: just seven turnovers this entire season for the Packers' offense. Now, admittedly,

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Speaker 3: when they have turned the ball over, it has been

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Speaker 3: at disastrous times, probably costs them a game against the

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Speaker 3: Browns earlier this season. Jordan Love, he's known for putting

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Speaker 3: the ball in danger in moments where you don't typically

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Speaker 3: want the ball to be in danger. But this Packers

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Speaker 3: team protects the football really well, and to me, that

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Speaker 3: is kind of the only way the Bears have played

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Speaker 3: defense well this season. Now they are getting back Jilan

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Speaker 3: Johnson who came back last week. Kyler Gordon is back,

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Speaker 3: you might be able to make the case that they

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Speaker 3: are a more complete defense perhaps than they were earlier

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Speaker 3: this season, But I just don't think that's a great

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, and I want to see if the

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Speaker 1: Packers can kind of continue the Christian Watson led evolution

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Speaker 1: of this passing attack. And I do think their size,

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Speaker 1: Jayden Reied isn't adding sites to the mix, but Hill

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Speaker 1: add a certain sort of dynamism. But can this offensive

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Speaker 1: passing attack get reliable because the numbers would tell you

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love has been reliable this year, but the eye

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Speaker 1: see that. The thing I'd be most worried about, and

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Speaker 1: Bears is probably the biggest weakness I think on their

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Speaker 1: entire fifty three man roster, and Jordan Love, while protected

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Speaker 1: this year, has easily the best numbers in the NFL

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Speaker 1: at any quarterback, like everyone thinks of Jared Goff as

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Speaker 1: the ultimate pressure non pressure quarterback split right now. Even

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Speaker 1: don't think the Bears are to apply a lot of

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Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I mean, the one thing

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Speaker 3: I would say maybe is that this would have been

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Speaker 3: such a good matchup for Tucker Craft against a Bears

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Speaker 3: has come back to practice, which would be a major

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Speaker 3: for the Packers. But you know, you flip it, Greg

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Speaker 3: and you mentioned that the weakest spot on the Bears

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Speaker 3: who might be able to cause Caleb Williams some trouble

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to go The biggest weakness

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Speaker 1: get real spicy and say their quarterback or something. Because

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Speaker 1: we hadn't hit on NFL Daily the comment by Ben

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Speaker 1: which the next day because he knew that got a

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Speaker 1: how happy he is with Caleb Williams, that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: which I think, for the most part is true. The

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Speaker 1: decision making has been good. He is last in the

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Speaker 1: the eye test that the ball just isn't going where

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Speaker 1: he wants it to go enough. What is your level

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Speaker 1: of concern against this Packers' defense throwing the ball because

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Speaker 1: I will get to the run game. I think the

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna need Caleb Williams to make some play.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with Ben Johnson's assessment.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and no. I'm probably a little more pessimistic maybe

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Speaker 3: Especially early in the year, even when they were on

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Speaker 3: Monday Night Football, you saw trade and pointing out, hey,

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Speaker 3: you're getting not going to lean on this over and

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Speaker 3: over again, but you're getting quarters. You a deep post,

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Speaker 2: Be going, and.

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Speaker 3: You know there's something wrong with taking those checkdown He's

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Speaker 3: taking the underneath thirst necessarily. Obviously a short completion is

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Speaker 3: so many chances per game for those explosives. And the

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Speaker 3: reality is, unfortunately, like you said, Caleb Williams is missing

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Speaker 3: That's the time with Michael Pennix basically for the worst

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Speaker 3: going to put a higher off target rate up when

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Speaker 3: really more game flow than Caleb William's talent. Like if

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Speaker 3: have opportunities to throw the football. Caleb is a talented player.

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Speaker 3: He's made some really impressive throws this year, and he's

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Speaker 3: That is the sort of situation where I feel like

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Speaker 3: the pass rush can ruin the game for the Bears,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like we're both a little skeptical that the

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Speaker 1: Bears can pull this off. I'm a I'm a fan

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Speaker 1: of Bill you know, he he does it all in

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Speaker 1: that little jag right there, you referred to a big

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Speaker 1: internet you know, storm over someone doubting the great Mina

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it is stupid attacking.

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Speaker 1: You know, quarters coverage with deep ball, you pivoted naturally

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you could just put coach in your Twitter handle.

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Speaker 3: No one checks it. No one's like, oh, no, one

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Speaker 3: verifies whether you're a coach or not.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: And you also know, you know, got a nice dig

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Speaker 1: which that he has completed exactly one pass under pressure

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Speaker 1: All right, we have to move on from this game,

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Speaker 1: but I cannot wait to watch it.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Rodriegh.

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Speaker 1: We we let a different person pick which game is

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Speaker 1: the number one draft pick of what game they're going

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Speaker 1: the Packers and the Bears. That would have been my

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Speaker 1: pick as well. But I am very excited to attend

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Speaker 1: least since the barn Burner Chargers Saints preseason game Chargers Eagles.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are favored by three. Of course, it's your colleagues.

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Speaker 1: I know you're tight with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that line is baking in justin Herbert's wrist injury,

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Speaker 1: but you don't hang with with Joe did just Joe

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Speaker 1: fucking Troy Akeven know who you are?

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Speaker 2: Do you think.

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Speaker 3: That's a good answer to that. If I say yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm bragging and if I say no, I'm being honest,

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Speaker 3: And it's a little sad, So let's just leave it

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Speaker 3: to a mystery.

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Speaker 2: I think humbole no is better.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's almost a shot at them because if they

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Speaker 1: Read Blanken schip is another one that Ali Connolly on

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Speaker 1: our recap show of those of the Black Friday Game

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is quite exciting there by the way a ball

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Speaker 1: The Chargers are second in the NFL. I was surprised

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Speaker 1: of that is justin Herbert making magic on third down frankly,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that crazy in a year where

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Speaker 1: They've been really versatile this year. They've also been very streaky.

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Speaker 1: the season. It was so bad I've almost I can't

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Speaker 1: remember another situation like that where a team turned into

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Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the NFL for the

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Speaker 1: last month of the season and like everyone just assumed

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Speaker 1: they were going to get blown out in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and then they did, and it was a team that

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Speaker 1: had a Super Bowl predigree.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to be like that.

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Speaker 1: Like, I think they'll probably lose in more heartbreaking fashion

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Speaker 1: in these games.

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Speaker 2: If they're going to.

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Speaker 3: Lose, yeah, I mean I just last week they missed

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Speaker 3: an extra point that would have tied the game. They're

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Speaker 3: in position in the red zone of score Jalen Hurts

450
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Speaker 3: fumbles on the tush push the week before, they go

451
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Speaker 3: up twenty one to nothing on the Cowboys, their position

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Speaker 3: to get in the red zone and right again and

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Speaker 3: a penalty gets the fun things catch called back and

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Speaker 3: then they fumble on the next play. Like there's been

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Speaker 3: a fair amount of bad luck and the defense is

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Speaker 3: still playing well enough. I know they didn't play great

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Speaker 3: against the rum last week, but they have been good

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Speaker 3: enough that I'm not anticipating a Matt Patricia led collapse

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Speaker 3: here down the stretch, So they might be not as

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Speaker 3: good maybe as they looked earlier this year. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think they're going to have a collapse the way

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Speaker 3: they did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: And keep an eye on Nick Sirianni. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised if he is calling the plays this week. I

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Speaker 1: know they're not going to announce it or anything, but

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Speaker 1: whether he's going to have a bigger hand. He's returning

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Speaker 1: to the place where he cut his teeth. You know

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Speaker 1: they have moved up up the highway from San Diego

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Speaker 1: to hear he didn't coach in so far.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't go to the wrong stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but he was a charger for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's

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Speaker 1: go places Texans in Kansas City. Chiefs are favored by

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Speaker 1: three and a half. It's the NBC A team Rico

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Speaker 1: Collinsworth no more.

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Speaker 3: Do you know Chris Collinsworth?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you do, personally, We got that checked out. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I've had a conversation or two with him. I did

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Speaker 3: a panel with him at a conference once.

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Speaker 1: I have never had a conversation with him, but he

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Speaker 1: once pre taped different segments for a Fantasy Show. It

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Speaker 1: was called The Fantasy Fix with Me and Tiffany Simon's

483
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Speaker 1: on nbcsports dot com about about eighteen years ago, where

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Speaker 1: he pre taped the segment kind of like Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: is doing with Mike Rico, where he did it all

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Speaker 1: in one day and he had to just sit there

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Speaker 1: for twenty straight segments and ask us a question, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Greg and Tiffany, who do you think is gonna? Okay?

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Speaker 2: That was a bad Chris was not bad. That was good.

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Speaker 3: That was so much better than I could have done.

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Speaker 1: Things should start for the Packers, Sam con Gotto or

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Speaker 1: I'm on Green or is like something like that. I

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Speaker 1: just love when that these two, these two teams are

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Speaker 1: playing each other right now is awesome because the the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are just holding on for dear life and the

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Speaker 1: Texans are reborn. And yet whoever lose this game is

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Speaker 1: in a tough spot. Including the text, So what what what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Fascinates you most from this game?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Greg, fascinating me, terrifying me, scaring me. The Chiefs

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Speaker 3: offensive line versus Will Anderson and Zaneil Hunter. So according

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Speaker 3: to the most recent reports, as we tape this on

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon, here on the east, Josh Simmons has a

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Speaker 3: dislocated risk, probably not gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to IRS. The word is he's

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Speaker 1: going to IR. Is the expectation.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Typically you don't play with disslocated risk. I feel confident

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Speaker 3: on that one. Trey Smith Juwan Taylor both questionable. It

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Speaker 3: sounds like maybe the wrong side of questionable for this game.

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Speaker 3: Greg That means Jalen Moore according to Chi Speed reporters,

512
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Speaker 3: at right tackle, Mike Collendo at right guard. And Yes,

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Speaker 3: after spending the entire offseason trying to avoid this happening,

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs are expecting the wan Ya Morris experience to

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Speaker 3: happen again at left tackle against the scariest one to

516
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Speaker 3: two punch of edge rushers in all of football, in

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Speaker 3: Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter. It's a absolute nightmare for

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Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs to have this happen against this

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Speaker 3: particular opponent.

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Speaker 2: That's so well said and true, and I'm so.

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Speaker 1: Spooked by the Chiefs that this all when you say

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Speaker 1: these things, it all just seems to be setting up well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, then Andy Reid's gonna come up with this

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Speaker 1: great game plan and we're gonna be talking Sunday night

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Speaker 1: about how did they overcome all of this?

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Speaker 2: But you know how many times I've thought that this

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Speaker 2: season and then it but it hasn't happened. Like how

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Speaker 2: many times I've thought.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is the moment where you know, when

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Speaker 1: it's not looking great, actually they're gonna do this, and

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Speaker 1: they don't. And I'll ask you this, like, do you

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Speaker 1: think Andy Reid's missing something here? Does he need a

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Speaker 1: little inspiration? It's almost like they've just run out of

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Speaker 1: ideas or something. Maybe having so many limitations this week,

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Speaker 1: they'll somehow come up with something crazy, like the Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid of old. I feel like we haven't been seeing that,

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Speaker 1: even though we've been seeing prime Patrick Mahomes. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we've been seeing prime Andy Reid.

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Speaker 3: Greg I'll tell you what Andy Reid just watched the show.

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Speaker 3: I will tell Andy Reid, Wow, what he needs to

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Speaker 3: do to win this game. He doesn't need Matt Nagey,

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Speaker 3: doesn't need a big staff out. Keep it very simple

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Speaker 3: for Andy Reid and the Chiefs. Run the damn ball

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Speaker 3: and run it from under center, and don't do your

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Speaker 3: shotgun runs, don't do your RPOs. Get underneath center and

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Speaker 3: run the damn ball. The Chiefs are the second best

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Speaker 3: offense in football by EPA per play on under center

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Speaker 3: designed rushes, and the Texans greg are twenty six in

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Speaker 3: EPA per play on under center design rushes. I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's anything they can do to stop those edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: We saw the Super Bowl last year, right like they

553
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Speaker 3: tried to chip with Kelsey. They tried to get it,

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Speaker 3: you know, tried to help out on their best player

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Speaker 3: in Jalen Carter and then have one on ones elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: It didn't work. Kelsey's on a good chipper. They had

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Speaker 3: fewer guys going out into routes. There wasn't anybody getting open.

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Speaker 3: And the Eagles, I'm sure the Chiefs were still losing

559
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Speaker 3: enough of their one on ones to the Eagles that

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Speaker 3: Mahomes was still getting sacked even though at some points

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Speaker 3: they were max protecting or keeping seven in protection. I

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Speaker 3: don't think you want to lean head into the pass

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Speaker 3: in this game. I think you want to try to

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Speaker 3: run the football. You want to try to give your

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Speaker 3: offensive linment as much help as possible. You want to

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Speaker 3: avoid third and long as much as possible. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know if that's going to work because this is

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Speaker 3: an inferior version of the Chiefs offensive line than the

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Speaker 3: one they've had at their best earlier this year. But

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Speaker 3: especially if you can get Trey Smith in the lineup,

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Speaker 3: I think you have to give it a shot, just

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Speaker 3: because to me, that's the that is the most plausible

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Speaker 3: way you can have a sustainable and successful offense against

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Speaker 3: this Texans.

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Speaker 1: Steam Barnwell becoming a run the damn ball guy in

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Speaker 1: his dotage. You know who would have thunk it? Forget

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Speaker 1: Rams Panthers. Wow, that's the biggest upset.

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think Pacheco looked better last week than he did

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Speaker 1: early in the season. He hasn't looked great for a

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Speaker 1: couple of seasons, I thought a couple of years. Just

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Speaker 1: to my eye, he had a little more juice last

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Speaker 1: week in limited snaps. They still were using cream out,

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Speaker 1: so he would be the guy if you can get

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Speaker 1: kind of the old version of Pacheco back on the

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Speaker 1: flip side, like can can Houston's offense continue to kind

588
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Speaker 1: of catch a groove of normality.

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Speaker 2: Now they're mixing in.

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Speaker 1: These dumb plays where they mess up in short yardage

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Speaker 1: or they have illegal formations or they're handing it off

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Speaker 1: to the tight end. There's still some real Texany stuff

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Speaker 1: in there. But whether it was Davis Mills or CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud last week, especially in the second half, they have

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Speaker 1: been pretty cohesive as just like a normal looking offense,

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Speaker 1: especially passing the ball, and they're getting more out of

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Speaker 1: Xavier Hutchinson and Jayden Higgins and Dalton Schultz, which I

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Speaker 1: think is really important to have kind of an array

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Speaker 1: of options for CJ. Stroud to go to. We know

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Speaker 1: Nico Collins is a badass. He'll probably match up on

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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie for a lot of this game. It's a

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Speaker 1: pretty ordinary defense for the Chiefs, and so I do

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like the Texans are coming into their

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Speaker 1: own as just a normal offense.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they can keep that going?

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Speaker 3: I like, what do you say mix in dumb plays?

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Speaker 3: Like there's a section of the play sheet that just

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Speaker 3: has dumb plays do not call and Nick Kelly cannot

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Speaker 3: resist the urge to call that play in the wrong It's.

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Speaker 2: Like poorly executed plays, just like in that Colts game.

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Speaker 1: They could have won by a lot more if they

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Speaker 1: could just pick up a yard in third or fourth

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Speaker 1: and one, so it's not even necessarily to play call.

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Speaker 1: But they they're still not great, is my point. But

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Speaker 1: the rest of the they are moving the ball a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: They are moving the ball, and so they've been way

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Speaker 3: more efficient on a play by play basis. And there's

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Speaker 3: a stat called success rate, which measures how often you

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Speaker 3: stay on schedule on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: They are third in success rate on offense over the

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Speaker 3: last month of the year, even though Skills was playing

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Speaker 3: quarterback for three of those four games. And the way

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Speaker 3: they're doing it, to me is by getting another offensive

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Speaker 3: lineman on the field. They have leaned heavily into the

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Speaker 3: six offensive lineman sets, which number one. Their linemen aren't

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Speaker 3: very good. They're getting an extra one in the field.

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Speaker 3: He just creating a further path for edge rusher to

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Speaker 3: get to the quarterback. It kind of simplifies some of

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Speaker 3: your pass pro because you know, if you're going to

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Speaker 3: full slide, if you're going to try to get one

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: on ones, it's a little easier to have an extra

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Speaker 3: linment on the field so you can handle, you know,

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Speaker 3: some bigger fronts better. They've been running the ball more efficiently.

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Speaker 3: They have had a fifty five percent success rate with

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Speaker 3: six offensive linemen sets over the year course of the year,

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Speaker 3: second best rate in football. And for the Chiefs, I

638
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: think that's a really big problem because number One, they

639
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: want to live in nickel anyway, Like they'll play based

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Speaker 3: defense if they have to, but they want to live

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Speaker 3: with five six defensive backs on the field. A lot

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Speaker 3: of the Steve Spagnolo exotic stuff is going to come

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Speaker 3: out of nickel and dime packages, and so by getting

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Speaker 3: into six o line sets, you're basically daring them to

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00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: match with their base defense. And then you're limiting a

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Speaker 3: lot of what Spags can do with kind of his

647
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Speaker 3: exotic pressures. And then I think the biggest thing is

648
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Speaker 3: if you can avoid the third and long. That was

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest problem for the Texans last year.

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Speaker 3: They had six point two snaps per game on third

651
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: and eight plus and wow with their offensive line, that

652
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: was a nightmare. I mean, all those third and lungs

653
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: were disaster. They had fifteen of them in the two

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Speaker 3: games against the Chiefs last year and only converted four

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Speaker 3: of them. And so this year it's down to five

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Speaker 3: per game over the last four It's still not ideal

657
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Speaker 3: to your point. Still some sloppiness. Run game has not

658
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Speaker 3: been great. It's being maybe a tiny if better. But

659
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Speaker 3: if you can avoid those third and lungs, you're getting

660
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Speaker 3: away from the spags, the spags downs where he can

661
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Speaker 3: dial up his best stuff. You're getting away from the

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Speaker 3: places where you're going to be blitza ble, where your

663
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Speaker 3: tackles are going to be one on one. If you

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Speaker 3: can avoid those spots, this offense is going to be fine.

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Speaker 3: And by staying on schedule and having a high success rate,

666
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Speaker 3: you are avoiding those third and lungs, and so that's

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Speaker 3: going to make this a very tough matchup for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: If the Texans can pass the ball well on early downs,

669
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Speaker 3: even if it's not a big play, even if it's

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Speaker 3: just a three four five yard game, avoiding the negatives,

671
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Speaker 3: avoiding the penalties of avoiding the sacks, that's how this

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Speaker 3: offense moves forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I never count out Steve Beegno to

674
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Speaker 1: have the right game plan, but it's just an ordinary defense.

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Speaker 3: They can I give you one more stack, great please,

676
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Speaker 3: Chiefs defense this year when they blitz thirty second in

677
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Speaker 3: the NFL in pressure rate, that is the tough part

678
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Speaker 3: for me with this Chiefs defense is that their identities

679
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Speaker 3: the perfect blitz at the right time. And I don't

680
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Speaker 3: think Steve Spagnolda has forgotten how the blitz. It's just

681
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Speaker 3: been way less successful when they have blitched. And any defense,

682
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Speaker 3: if you blitzer, you don't get home, you're in a

683
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Speaker 3: terrible problem. And so if the Chiefs are not going

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Speaker 3: to get home with their blitzers in this game, and

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Speaker 3: they have had a lot of trouble getting home with

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Speaker 3: their blitzeres this year, I would expect Jayden Higgins, David Hutchinson,

687
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Speaker 3: Nico Collins, even Dalton Schultz to have a lot of

688
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: favorable matchups downfield and see Stroud to find those receiving and.

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Speaker 1: Just judging on eye tests, like the last month, the

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Speaker 1: Houston offensive line for all the griefs that they've taken

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Speaker 1: been like, yep, it's been pretty normal. I would say

692
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Speaker 1: it's been like a little below average. Ben Baldwin does this,

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to get met Yeah, where they have.

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Speaker 1: He combines three different offensive line metrics from Sports Info

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Speaker 1: Info solutions in PFF and the ESPN and they were

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Speaker 1: like twentieth and I was like that, that's great, that's normal.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be an awesome game. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the Texans.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily as we broke from the Bill

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: Barnwell Show earlier today, he said he had to go

718
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Speaker 1: to a coffee shop to do some prep. He's a pro,

719
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Speaker 1: and I could see that prep in this show. This

720
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Speaker 1: is this is the part of the show. It's got

721
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Speaker 1: to test you a little more. Broncos heavily favored at Vegas.

722
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've covered the Raiders too much lately

723
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Speaker 1: on this show. It's just been so bad. The Broncos

724
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: are obviously the more interesting side. Could this be a

725
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Speaker 1: rare okay, bear with me here. A revenge game for

726
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Speaker 1: bo Nicks and the Broncos, just against how bad they

727
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Speaker 1: looked against the Raiders last time. Everyone was making fun

728
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: of them for how terrible they look putting up like

729
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Speaker 1: two hundred yards of offense against the Raiders. So it's

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Speaker 1: a revenge game against expectations, and it's in the perfect,

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Speaker 1: you know, conditions of Allegiant Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Greg. You know, I did go to that coffee shop

733
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Speaker 3: and I rewatched the Broncos Raiders games and weirdly everyone left,

734
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Speaker 3: everyone cleared out of the coffee shop because the game

735
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: was so awful. I think Patrick Graham had a really

736
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Speaker 3: good game plan against Bonnicks in that first game, contained

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Speaker 3: him in the pocket, didn't let him rush. He didn't

738
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Speaker 3: have a single scramble. I think his five attention it

739
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: was Niel downs and sneaks in that game, it was

740
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Speaker 3: taken away. The first read. Bonnicks was nine of twenty

741
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: for one hundred and thirteen yards and two picks when

742
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: he held the ball for over two and a half seconds.

743
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Speaker 3: It was a lot of basically daring Bonis to be

744
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Go through your progressions, work out of the pocket.

745
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Speaker 3: That's not what Sean Payden wants Bonnicks to do. It's

746
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 3: not what Bonnicks wants Bonnicks to do. But the Raiders

747
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: showed that game plan, and so you would figure if

748
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Speaker 3: you're going to talk about a guy who's good at it,

749
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Speaker 3: justin guy who's good at you know, coming up with

750
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Speaker 3: stuff to counter what you want to do on defense.

751
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Speaker 3: With a week to watch that game and to look back,

752
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Speaker 3: I would imagine Sean Payton will be in pretty good

753
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Speaker 3: shape in terms of what they're game planning for the

754
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Speaker 3: Raiders in the matchup. So I do think it's a

755
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: proved game for bow Nicks, and I do think that

756
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 3: the Broncos will be better on offense, although a little

757
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Speaker 3: concerned about the run game without JK Dodam.

758
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't looked as good.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders defensive numbers were pretty good coming out of

760
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Speaker 1: that game, for instance, like over the course of the

761
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: season they were slightly better than average considering their talent level.

762
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Speaker 1: Was a good coaching job by Pete Carroll and Patrick

763
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Speaker 1: Graham on that side of the ball. Since then, it

764
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Speaker 1: hasn't looked good. There's just not much push. I think

765
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton in much better conditions, and the conditions were

766
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Speaker 1: terrible that night. It was freezing, like it's just gonna

767
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: find too much offense for the Raiders to keep up.

768
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Speaker 1: Gino looks looks a little shell shocked out there, and

769
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Speaker 1: watching him against this Broncos team doesn't seem fair. Broncos,

770
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Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett are going after an NFL record. They

771
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Speaker 1: have a real chance here, Yeah, to get the NFL

772
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Speaker 1: team sack record. And you know who's helping out every

773
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Speaker 1: week when they face another defense and helping their sack numbers.

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Speaker 1: It's Gino Smith and the Raiders. It's just like a

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Speaker 1: walking seven sacks to start the game. It's tough to watch, Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you like when you see this Broncos defense

777
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Speaker 1: at their best.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you didn't even mention that they didn't have

779
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Speaker 3: Pats or ten. I believe good point the first game

780
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Speaker 3: for these two teams. So now you're adding the raining

781
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Speaker 3: defensive player of the year back to a game where

782
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: it felt like the Raiders could have played for forty

783
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: quarters and maybe not gotten to twenty one points, which

784
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: is probably what they needed to win that game. I mean,

785
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: you're hoping maybe the chip Kelly firing changes some things.

786
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Speaker 3: I know that there's some reports this week that they

787
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: were just running the chip Kelly offense all along? Are

788
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: they running the Carrol offense all along? But I mean

789
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: they could not in that game reliably get to brock Bauers.

790
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: The only big catch brock Bauers had was a play

791
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Speaker 3: where Talanoahfanga tried to jump on underneath rap Basks just

792
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: went off his instincts, and usually those are good, sometimes

793
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: they aren't, and this was a play where they weren't.

794
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: Powers could open for a big game, but he otherwise

795
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: was completely locked down. They did just not have the

796
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Speaker 3: ability to get the ball to their really not only

797
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Speaker 3: their their best receiver, but really their only receiver of

798
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Speaker 3: any note, right, now they weren't able to run the football.

799
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Speaker 3: Ashton john Di did not have a good game, And

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Speaker 3: I don't put that on Ashton john Ty put that

801
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: on on the offensive line and the fact that the

802
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: Bronco was of one of the best defensive lines in football.

803
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 3: But you know, with the with the Raiders, it was like, Okay,

804
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: you don't have the talent, but you schemed up a

805
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: good game. With the Broncos, the scheme is good, and

806
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: they have incredible talent, and they're getting back their best

807
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: defensive players. So it's just hard for me to imagine

808
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: this game being significantly different for the Raiders' offense. I

809
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Speaker 3: would expect a lot of third and long, a lot

810
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: of facts. I would expect Nick Benito to, you know,

811
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Speaker 3: try to win the Best Mortal Defensive Player award behind

812
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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. But I just don't see a way for

813
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Speaker 3: the Raiders to dramatically change the way they approach offense

814
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Speaker 3: in this game.

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say that the Broncos, you know,

816
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Speaker 1: they've skated by the last three weeks, winning actually four weeks,

817
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Speaker 1: winning four games by a combined ten points. They have

818
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Speaker 1: had a couple blowouts this season. They had the Bengals

819
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Speaker 1: game that was not closed. They took care of the

820
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Speaker 1: Cowboys pretty easily. I think this is going to be

821
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Speaker 1: another one. And yeah, like I said, everyone check out

822
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Speaker 1: Bill's show where we decided whether the Broncos were lucky

823
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Speaker 1: or good.

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Speaker 2: They were a good discussion.

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Speaker 1: Let's wrap with the Rams, who are both good and

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Speaker 1: now I don't even think they're lucky. They actually maybe

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Speaker 1: should be better than nine to three if you think

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Speaker 1: about if you think about the way their season started

829
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Speaker 1: that Eagles game. Certainly the Panthers game last week was

830
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Speaker 1: a certain sort of you know, losing the turnover battle

831
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Speaker 1: and not being able to get the ball back. I

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Speaker 1: do think in this matchup against the Cardinals, the Rams

833
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: are favored by seven and a half. It's Kenny Albert

834
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Vilma on the call that there are some

835
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Speaker 1: things that the Cardinals can do to bother him, and like,

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Speaker 1: the number one thing I'm probably watching from the Rams

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Speaker 1: side is like, can the pass rush be a little

838
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Speaker 1: more consistent. Teams have done a good job passing quickly

839
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Speaker 1: to kind of mitigate the Rams pass rush, and you know,

840
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Speaker 1: they struggled to get off the field last week. I

841
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Speaker 1: mean that's of course that's the recipe to do it.

842
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Speaker 1: But it's a little surprising. I know they don't blitz much,

843
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Speaker 1: but they're not in the top ten of pressure rate

844
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Speaker 1: this season. Considering the talent that they have, I kind

845
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Speaker 1: of want to see their pass rush come fully alive

846
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Speaker 1: down the stretch, and this would be an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do so against a team in Jacoby Brissette who holds

848
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Speaker 1: the ball quite quite a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, a lot of the success the Panthers

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Speaker 3: had last week was throwing under two and a half seconds,

851
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Speaker 3: a lot of quick game, a lot of you know,

852
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Speaker 3: just trying to find soft spots and zones. Nine of

853
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Speaker 3: eleven Bryce Young for one twenty two and two touchdowns

854
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Speaker 3: within two and a half seconds, and the rams are

855
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Speaker 3: only fifteenth in the NFL. And qbr on throws under

856
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Speaker 3: two and a half seconds your last. That's usually the

857
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Speaker 3: kind like the common delineator for quick game versus a

858
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Speaker 3: more traditional passing attack. And so in the ideal world

859
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: you would have the ability to make throws throws if

860
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: you're Jacoby Brissett, that's just not typically how this offense work.

861
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Speaker 3: They want to be more of a heavy play action team,

862
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Speaker 3: which is going to be holding the ball, trying to

863
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: hit more shots downfield. Going to be tougher if Marvin

864
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Speaker 3: Harrison doesn't play in this game. He's still uncertain. The

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Speaker 3: rest have been very good against tight ends just here.

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Speaker 3: I think they're second in the NFL in qbr on

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Speaker 3: targets to tight ends, and so not just as simple

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Speaker 3: as getting the ball to Trey McBride. I love a

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Speaker 3: little bit of Greg Dortch. I would always wish they'd

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Speaker 3: get a little more Greg Dortsch involved in the offense.

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Speaker 3: But Greg, the big thing that I think really underpinned

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Speaker 3: the Panther's offense last week was running the football, and

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals offense is thirtieth in the NFL this year

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Speaker 3: in apaper play on design runs. That's been the biggest

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00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: disappointment for this team this season, full stop. Is just

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Speaker 3: they have been a very fun, very aggressive rushing attack

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Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. Whether it was losing

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Speaker 3: their offensive court, losing James Connor, losing Trade Benson, not

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Speaker 3: having the ability to go to three tight end sets

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Speaker 3: with Tim Bryan hurt, all those things probably contributed a

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Speaker 3: little bit, but they just have not been a good

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Speaker 3: designed run team this year and so that was hurting

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Speaker 3: with Kyler Murray that were getting stuck in a lot

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Speaker 3: of third and longs. They've been a little better because

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Speaker 3: Kobe Prissett, I think is better in those drop back

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Speaker 3: passing spots than Kyler is. But against the Rams, that

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Speaker 3: might be the rusely It's like, you know, if you're

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Speaker 3: just if your play action games taken out of the

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00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: game because you're trailing and because you're you're not running

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Speaker 3: the ball effectively and you're stuck in third and long,

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Speaker 3: that might be what unlocks a really good game from

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Speaker 3: this Rams pass ruck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a tough matchup because of what

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Speaker 1: you just said. Trey Benson, by the way, not at practice.

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison not at practice. Harrison as a heel injury.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's expected to play Benton. It's especially

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Speaker 1: concerning because he came off the activation window and now

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Speaker 1: he's not practicing. For what it's worth, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's much in this matchup. John McVay, Jonathan Gannon,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same players. Was still a pretty

901
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: good Rams offense last year. They scored twenty three total

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Speaker 1: points in two games. They averaged eleven and a half

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Speaker 1: point also included, you know, maybe the high moment of

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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Gannon era putting up a forty burger on

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Speaker 1: the Rams in like a thirty five point victory early

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Speaker 1: last season, and then they had a struggle fest defensive

907
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: game later in the year. This Cardinals team is good

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00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: enough to make you sweat, but then lose their twentieth

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Speaker 1: in DVOA, which is better than you would expect from

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Speaker 1: a three to nine team. They have five point three

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00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: like estimated win.

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Speaker 2: That sounds right. They actually seem like a five and

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Speaker 2: seven team.

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Speaker 1: But I always think that really great teams coming off

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00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: a loss, there is a human element I think where

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Speaker 1: there's like the plexiglass principle. They bounce back generally, and

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00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I think they'll play their best and I think they'll

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Speaker 1: do it by running the ball. People don't, I think,

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Speaker 1: realize how just how great they are running the ball.

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: And even last week against Carolina they are getting such

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00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: good push up front for Quorum and Kyron Williams. So

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Speaker 1: I could see a game this is not a fantasy

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Speaker 1: show bill, but like where where you got like a

924
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Speaker 1: Bears thing going on where both Korum and kyn Williams

925
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Speaker 1: go over one hundred yards and it's like thirty one

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Speaker 1: to sixteen, and it's just like a run fest for

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Speaker 1: the Rams.

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Speaker 2: That's the time of the type of game you can't

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Speaker 2: lose in the division.

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Speaker 1: They cannot lose this game in the division, or else

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Speaker 1: you're actually let in San Francisco to win this division.

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Speaker 2: Still they they're four and one in the division, San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you and we'll share.

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Speaker 2: I guess with that, Yes, you got to go pick

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Speaker 2: up your kid.

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Speaker 3: I do any reason to think Matthew Stafford's uh rough

937
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: game last week fluke, any reason to think it could

938
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Speaker 3: stick around, any reason to think that the Rams should

939
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: be a little concerned at all, Just kind of just

940
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: a bad game.

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Speaker 1: Not at all, because a couple were just the type

942
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Speaker 1: of turnovers that he makes consistently throughout his career. He's aggressive,

943
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Speaker 1: and it happens he held the ball a little like no,

944
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Speaker 1: because he played well the rest of the game, Like

945
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Speaker 1: they averaged almost eight yards for playing that game. So

946
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Speaker 1: that's a big fat no. Because to me, he's out,

947
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: he'll have some turnovers. It's kind of been a fluky

948
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Speaker 1: how few turnovers he's had. But he's probably my m

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Speaker 1: v P right now, if I have to choose, we

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Speaker 1: don't have to.

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00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: In the conversation, we don't have to go.

952
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Speaker 1: Would you give Jonathan Gannon a fourth season?

953
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Speaker 2: By the way, yes, I would.

954
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Speaker 3: The defense is not the problem with this team. The offenses.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Bill you Uh you said you were gonna prep and

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Speaker 1: uh you did it and we did it, and so

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Speaker 1: everyone uh should check out.

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Speaker 2: You know who knows we've got We've got you.

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00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get uh Joe and Troy uh on

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Speaker 1: a podcast and we could introduce you guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, I'll pass that up the chain. We'll see,

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Speaker 3: we'll see if see if that's likely to occur.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing this from our great producer here that you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe uh, there was gonna be some combination there. There's

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Speaker 1: an article out here on a podcast of like maybe

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Speaker 1: schefter could be on NFL Network and maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: me and you are now doing it together. We are

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00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the synergy. By the way, without even being asked that

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00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: they're asking for me, you and Mina, we've already been

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Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 3: On the trojan horse of NFL Network. It seems like

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Speaker 3: I'm just bringing the pristiality over to cultur City, Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: You made this multi billion dollar merger happen. Thank you, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Go go pick up your lovely child. And that's it

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Speaker 1: for our preview show. We will be back on Thursday

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Speaker 1: with an exciting recap. We've got a banger. It's Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: it's lions that'll be up in the field from Nick

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Speaker 1: Chook and myself and then yes, all the weekend content

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Speaker 1: with our picks and Allie. Check us out on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: for being on your Spotify wrapped.

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Speaker 2: We love you.