1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit un impressed of the discipline and 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: the training level of the Russian forces has had and 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: as horrific as it is, we want to make sure 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: that we do not see an escalation. Bloomberg sound On, Politics, 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: Policy and prespect from DZ's top name. I sent to 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: the commodity first, who were made very high. Elevated certainly 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: over the next year, but it's probably first half the year. 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: You Republicans want to give Democrat Day victory on getting 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: toup with China on a political basis, the answer is no. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Biden told Chinese President Shi Jinping there would be consequences 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: of China aids Russia during its invasion of Ukraine. We 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: will talk to experts to get a better understanding of 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: what that means going forward. We've got a great show 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: for you today. My name is Jack Fitzpatrick. I'm coho 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: sting with Emily Wilkins of Bloomberg Government. We're in for 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: Joe who's off today. We promise he will be back soon. 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: We're going to bring in Brian Klein, founder of Ridgepoint 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Global and a former US diplomat in Beijing shortly to 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: talk to us. We're also going to hear from June Grosso, 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: host of Bloomberg Law, here on Bloomberg Radio to talk 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: about Katangi Brown Jackson's upcoming hearings for her Supreme Court 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: nomination next week, And of course we'll bring in our 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: reliable panel, Rick Davis and Jennie she and Zano Bloomberg 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Politics contributors. Now. White House Press Secretary Jen Saki described 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: the call that happened this morning, the nearly two hour 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: call that happened between Presidents Biden and She, describing their 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: conversation on the Russia Ukraine situation as well as Taiwan. 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: Let's hear what she had to say about today's phone call. 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: The vast majority of the nearly two hours was spent 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: with the President outlining the views of the United States 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and our allies and partners on this crisis, including a 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: detailed overview of efforts to prevent and then response to 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: the invasion, how we got here, steps we've taken, where 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: where we've gone, and why um and of course, as 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: was also noted in the read out, but let me 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: just reiterate. He also conveyed and described the implications and 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: consequences of China provides material support to Russia. So that 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: is the White House description. They put out a readout 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: UH saying that President Biden warned of consequences if China 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: provides support to Russia. They put that in writing. Let's 43 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: bring in Brian Klein, founder of Ridge Point Global, who 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: was a US diplomat in Beijing two thousand six through 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: two thousand eight. Brian, really happy to have you on 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: with us. We heard the White House's description, we saw 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: China's description saying that this invasion is not what they wanted. 48 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Can you give us a little bit of a comparing 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: contrast between the US and Chinese descriptions of this video 50 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: call between the two presidents and what's your main takeaway? 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: I think the main takeaway is that one China got 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: out in front with their readout way before the US did, 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: and interestingly, they chose strategic ambiguity this time. Usually that's 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: what the US prefers when they talk about things like Taiwan. 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: But China was very ambiguous in their reply. Yes, they 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: support a peace of outcomes. How is that going to happen. 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: There are no specifics, and we don't know what that 58 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: means in practice. The US also came out with a 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: statement that didn't have a lot of detail. Part of that, 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: I think is because they're being very diplomatically sensitive to 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: dealing with China and they don't want to lay it 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: all out on the table. But it's going to be 63 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: because all that's gonna do is potentially either embarrassed China, UH, 64 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: make the US look like a like their bullying China, 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: all things that diplomatically would get the reverse response that 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: they want, which is for Beijing to kind of step 67 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: back from uh their support of Russia. UM. Overall, you know, 68 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: it's better than their talking. We don't know much more 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: than we knew going into this, you know, a few 70 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: hours ago. UM. But I think it would be highly 71 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: unlikely that China is going to go forward with full 72 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: scale military support for Russia at this time. So on 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: that point on the ambiguity from China, is the US 74 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: really trying to get China to pressure Russia in some 75 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: way necessarily or is the goal does it seem to 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: ensure that China is truly neutral rather than speaking neutral 77 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: e while aiding Russia it's probably more on the keeping 78 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: China neutral part, because I don't think anyone would realistically 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: think that China is going to go out of their 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: way to tell Putin stop one. I don't think Putin 81 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: would listen and to China doesn't like being put in 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: that position by anybody. If they wanted to do that, 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: they could have done it already. They didn't need the 84 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: US or anybody else to kind of try to push 85 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: them to do it. So the best outcome right now 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: is for the US is of China just kind of 87 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: stays neutral, stays out of it, um because if they 88 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: do get involved, and as jan Zaki said, there would 89 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: be repercussions and they would be pretty severe. Um, they 90 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: would have to be pretty severe. And I don't think 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: China really wants to get too deep in the weeds here. 92 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: And while things are going so badly for Putin, you know, 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: they could get worse and he could use biological chemical weapons, 94 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: and China certainly doesn't want to be, you know, associated 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: with that kind of activity. So from the U S perspective, 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: it's it's the ideal of China just kind of backs 97 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: away and and it kind of stays on the sidelines. Brian, 98 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm also wondering what your read out of Putin's mood 99 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: is right now. Is he worried that the US and 100 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: China had this call today? He's got to be at 101 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: least a little bit nervous. I mean, there were reports 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: that he was asking for military help. Moscow denied it. 103 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: They didn't denied it. But we know that his war 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: effort is going well. We know his troops are have 105 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: poor logistics, some of them don't even have food to 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: eat um, and he doesn't doesn't have many places to go, 107 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: if at all, to get help. So now he sees 108 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: the U, S and China talking without him, and he 109 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: also must know that China is going to act in 110 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: its own self interest. And even though they had a 111 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: joint you know, communicate of sorts by saying you, oh, 112 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: they have this really strong friendship, he knows that it's 113 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: not just about friendship. It's not just about ideology for China. 114 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: It hasn't been like that for decades. China's most important 115 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: goal here is political stability at home and a strong economy. 116 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: And if the US can make it clear that those 117 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: two things are potentially at risk if Beijing gets too 118 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: far involved with Moscow, Uh, who is going to be 119 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: left completely alone on this and he's running out of options? 120 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: And Brian, I mean, I feel like we can assume 121 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: the answer to this a little bit, but I want 122 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to hear it from from you, someone who's an expert 123 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: former U S diplomat who was stationed in Aging. I mean, 124 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: why why doesn't China just go ahead and criticize Russia 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: for their invasion of Ukraine? China seems very comfortable being 126 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: say it, say it wants peace, that it doesn't want 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: to invade Ukraine, that you know, it's not supportive of 128 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: this conflict. Why doesn't China just just come out and 129 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: criticize Putin at this point? Well, a couple of It's 130 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: a really good question. A couple of reasons. One, I 131 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: think there's a certain diplomatic sensitivity that people underappreciate in 132 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: the collective West in watching how China engages with the world. 133 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: For one, they don't often like to embarrass or we'll 134 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: push other countries into a corner, except lately in the 135 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: case of the US because things have gotten so bad. 136 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: But in general, they don't like to be seen as 137 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: the one telling all these other countries what they should 138 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: be doing. They keep saying that they believe in you know, 139 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: borders and to some degree, the international system as it exists, 140 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: and they want to be seen as a leader in 141 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: that regard. But at the same time, you know, they 142 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: pull back when it comes to uh, well, when things 143 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: get really hot, when things get really difficult, um. And 144 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: they have a longstanding you know history with with Russia. 145 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Way back when pre kissing your times, you know, there 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: was there was the Sino Soviet kind of um, not 147 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: really a formal alliance, but they were very close. And 148 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: then Kissinger came in and he managed to convince that 149 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: the future lay away from Russia's orbit. But there are 150 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: still historical ties, there are cultural ties, there are ideological 151 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: and political ties, and China is not incentivized in any 152 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: way to kind of go out on a limb now 153 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: and just kind of put Putin in his corner or 154 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: to overtly criticize them. So, Brian, we've asked about what 155 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: this message with this, what kind of messages this sends 156 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: to Putin. But on the flip side, what message have 157 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: the sanctions on Russia sent to China, particular with regards 158 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: to Taiwan. I think it gives them pause. I mean 159 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been saying this, and no 160 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: one really knows what China wants to do regarding Taiwan weather. 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: They're you know, happier to continue to try to you know, 162 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: eat away little by little, try to influence them politically 163 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: and not try to raise it to the level of 164 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: of warfare. Um. And nobody really knows. Then what happened 165 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: after she Gympin gets his third term in office, which 166 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: is unprecedented to be the longest serving Chinese ruler, and 167 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, it even unclear how much longer he could 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: rule after that. Maybe it's just indefinite. Um. So people 169 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: figured he's incentivized by the after the fall of this 170 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: year or so, or really by the end of the year, 171 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: he's will be willing to take more risks politically. Well, 172 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: now you look at what happened with Russia and how 173 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: quickly almost the entire world was galvanized to support Ukraine. 174 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was fast and it was complete in 175 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the way that Russia has been cut off from the 176 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,239 Speaker 1: economic global economic system, how trade is stopping, how exports 177 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: are no longer fluing, how the ruble is crashing. I mean, 178 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: the fact that this happened with such clarity and with 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: such unanimity of purpose. Must give she Jumping some pause 180 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: because something similar would happen if you were to invade Taiwan. 181 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: And even more critically, I mean, this is primarily a 182 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: European and NATO and US being part of the NATO 183 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: being Pardonato issue. But when it comes to Taiwan, you 184 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: have a lot of other interests that come into play. 185 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you have Japan that comes to their contested 186 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: islands and then say, well, if China is going to 187 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: try to grab Taiwan, what are they going to grab next? 188 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Similarly's grabbing Ukraine, what is he going to grab next? 189 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there would be international condemnation that would come 190 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: so quickly, and it was threatened stability in economically that 191 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Putin is. I don't think she is 192 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: ready for what Putin is going through right now. Very briefly, Brian, 193 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: Aside from Taiwan, given that the White House is warning 194 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: of repercussions, if China were to materially aid Russia, what 195 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of repercussions are on the table in that instance, 196 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: I think would be very similar to what's happening with 197 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the first It depends on what kind of aid it is. Like, say, 198 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: for example, China gave mr either gave food or something 199 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: as opposed to giving weapons. Um, if they were to 200 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: give weapons, I think they would find sanctions right away. 201 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and they'll be ratcheted up very quickly. And 202 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: if it got so bad that you know that these 203 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: weapons were considered crucial to the war effort for for 204 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Russia and they came from China, you you would potentially 205 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: potentially see cutting off of the economic financial system. Brian, 206 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us. 207 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: Brian Klein, founder Ridge Point Global and a former US 208 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: diplomat in Beijing. Let's go to the panel, Rick Davis 209 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: and Jennie she and Zano. I'm Jack Fitzpatrick here with 210 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You 211 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Well, we 212 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: just heard from Brian Klein, who served for a few 213 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: years as a US diplomat in Beijing, that, in his words, 214 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: China's most important goal here is stability at home and 215 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,119 Speaker 1: a strong economy. Uh. That is important in the context 216 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: of exactly what position China takes with regard to Russia 217 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and its invasion of Ukraine. I'm Jack Fitzpatrick, co hosting 218 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: with my Bloomberg Government colleague Emily Wilkins. Today we're in 219 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: for Joe, and we've got to bring in the usual 220 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: all star panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie she in Zano 221 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis. Guys. I thought it was interesting that 222 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: Brian in our last segment, a long time UH person 223 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: who has understood China's motivations, that he was taken by 224 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: how vague China was in the words they chose to describe, 225 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, as as the Chinese said that this invasion 226 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: is not what they wanted UH. All things considered, Genie, 227 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: are you do you think the US is okay with 228 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: some vague words of of China's position as long as 229 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: they actually stay neutral or does the US want to 230 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: hear more from China on this? You know? I was struck, 231 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: as Brian said to you, um, by how they got 232 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: a head on the readout and also how ambiguous it was. 233 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: I was also thought that it was pretty conciliatory towards 234 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: the US. China's readout that said just a couple hours 235 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: prior to the call, China sends an aircraft carrier through 236 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: the Taiwan straight tailed by an American destroyer. So to me, 237 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: I think we come back to the same thing we've 238 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: said about Vladimir Who and you cannot listen to what 239 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: they say. You've got to watch what they're doing, and 240 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: what they're doing just before a call with with President 241 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Biden is they're shooting intercraft garious, sending it right through 242 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: the Taiwan straight, and that speaks volumes in my mind. 243 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: I also found it very interesting just looking at the 244 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: statement that China put out. I mean, there's so much 245 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: talk about peace and that the world needs to be 246 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: tranquil and that they want to avoid conflict that this honestly, 247 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,359 Speaker 1: it's the same vibe as like one of those stereotypical, 248 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: like miss American speeches when they're like, what is the 249 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: most important thing and they're like world peace. Um, And 250 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Rick, you know, did this this phone call 251 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: move the ball at all, because it seems like China's 252 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: still kind of saying the same things after the call 253 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: that they were saying before the call. Yeah, well, what 254 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: they were saying before the call was both sides of 255 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: the argument. You know, go Russia and you know we're 256 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: staying out. And I think that that that I hope 257 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: the two hours that that that that Joe Biden spent 258 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: with g on the phone included a phrase you can't 259 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: have it both ways, because that's that's really what China's 260 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: quote strategic ambiguity is, right, Uh. And as Genie said, 261 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, we've got to watch what they do versus 262 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: what they say. And and I think, you know, the 263 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: American US is pressing them to actually reinforce what they 264 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: claim they stand by, which is territorial integrity. Right when 265 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: you talk about China and their views of the South 266 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: China Sea and their territorial integrity, they say, you know, 267 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the world needs a layoff, right, we 268 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: believe these are our territories. Well, what happened to the 269 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: Ukrainian territorial integrity that is sealed by by treaties with Russia? 270 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: And so like, I think we should be pressing China 271 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: to be outspoken against this war. I don't think they 272 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: should get a pass just because they signed some stupid 273 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: treaty you know with Russia that says that you know, 274 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: democracies are dead, and you know, US authoritarians are really 275 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: going to be the future. Well, I want to ask 276 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: a little more specifically on Russia, guys, Genie, I'm curious 277 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: what you make of this. Vladimir Putin appeared at a 278 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: rally in Moscow today actually to commemorate the eighth anniversary 279 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: of Russia's annexation of Crimea uh, and he talked about 280 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: Russian unity during this war in Ukraine. Obviously, Russia is 281 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: quite isolated now, so it may be hard to answer 282 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: this question, But what is our understanding of the mood 283 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: in Russia and how Putin's message is resonating with his 284 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: own people. Yeah, and if you just watched that speech, 285 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: which you know got cut famously a little bit um, 286 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: you know that they were cheering, crowds and signs and 287 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. And yet we also know that 288 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: there are protesters out at great personal you know, risk 289 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: to themselves and their families out protesting. You know, I 290 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: was particularly moved, as I'm sure you guys were, by 291 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger's appeal directly to Russians. So, you know, the 292 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: United States, the Western Allies are trying to send in 293 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: messages to do exactly what you're talking about Jack, which 294 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: is to move public opinion or at least get information 295 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: into Russia as they can. And I think one thing 296 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: that is scary about, you know, this issue of g 297 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: and Putin and their famously best friend relationship and you know, 298 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: a scream for their birthdays and all these kinds of things, 299 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: is at this point it looks like and Ping is 300 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: the only person maybe in the world, the only world 301 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: leader who can call Putin and say enough is enough. 302 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: And as Rick was just talking about, you look back 303 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: at this February fourth declaration, it doesn't look like that's 304 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: likely to happen anytime soon, unless it looks like Putin 305 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: is absolutely lost on the battlefield. And we don't. I 306 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: don't think we've reached that point yet. I want to 307 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: look ahead a little bit too. Next week, when President 308 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is going to be in Brussels, He's going 309 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: to participate in a NATO summit and also join the 310 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: European Council meeting. Rig What's going to be Biden's goal 311 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: for that trip, you know, I think obviously number one 312 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: is going to be showing a unity within the coalition 313 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: that opposes uh the incursion of Ukraine by Russia. So 314 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's actually quite uh you nique, and healthy 315 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: for democracies to to sort of wave the flag a 316 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: little bit. And I think this is a unique and 317 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: and and really important opportunity for all those Western democracies 318 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: to come together and say, you know what, not dead yet, right, 319 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: We've got a lot going for ourselves, and and and 320 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: and so I think that's number one. Number two is 321 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: to solidify ongoing pressure against Russia. And then nine times 322 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: out of ten that's going to be sanctions. And so 323 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: I think that I would hope that they would even 324 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: declare more additional sanctions. Maybe they're waiting for this moment 325 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: to roll out secondary sanctions, which could be part of 326 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: what was included in the Biden she conversation today, which is, 327 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: if you're doing business with Russia and we implose secondary sanctions, 328 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: you could be up in the barrel. Next Great Insights, guys, 329 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: that's our panel, Rick Davis and Genie Sheen Daniel. They'll 330 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: be back later in the hour. Up next, though, we're 331 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk to June Grasso, host of Bloomberg Law. 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The main event in Congress next 341 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: week will be Judge Katangi Brown Jackson facing questions from 342 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: the Senators who will decide if she will become the 343 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: first black woman to sit on the Supreme Corps. You know, 344 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: it used to be, from my understanding, a fairly non 345 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: controversial process. In the last two years, nominating Supreme Court 346 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: justices has become an absolute battle. Starting back in t teen, 347 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Republican leader Mitch McConnell denied President Obama's choice Merrick Garland. 348 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: Didn't hold any hearing any vote for ten months. Then 349 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: we had the highly contentious hearing with Justice Brett Kavanaugh 350 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: over allegations of a sexual assault when he was a teenager. 351 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: That was followed by Republicans rushing through the nomination of 352 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett a month before the elections complete one 353 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: eighty by McConnell. And now here we are again. Judge 354 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: Kanchi Brown Jackson will have her confirmation hearing next week. 355 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: Jack is it going to be another bloodbath? Well, it's 356 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: gotten a lot more controversial lately. Obviously, the historically there 357 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: are counter examples Clarence Thomas, for example. But you know 358 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Republican senators, including just a couple of 359 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: days ago, John Cornyn was talking to a group of 360 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: US reporters about how Republicans want to set sort of 361 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: an example and focus on Judge Jackson's philosophy, not get 362 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: into anything personal. They still kind of hold a grudge 363 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: about the the extent of Democrats questions toward Brett Kavanaugh, 364 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: and obviously you're going to hear some pointed questions from Republicans, 365 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: but they are kind of trying to make a point 366 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: about setting limits on on a judge's personal life, and 367 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: to talk to talk about this a little bit more. 368 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: We're going to bring in June Grasso, she's a host 369 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: of Bloomberg Law. June thank you so much for joining us. 370 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I just wanted to start off by asking what you 371 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: are going to be watching from this hearing. Well, I 372 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: think the hearing is going to be pretty cordial for 373 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. The primary thing being that you 374 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: have a liberal justice who's going to be taking the 375 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: place of another liberal justice, and the Conservatives have a 376 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: strong majority on the court already. So that's one thing 377 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we know Judge Katangi Brown 378 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: Jackson because she's been through these hearings twice before, once 379 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: for the District Court and just last year for the 380 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: d C. Circuit Court of Appeals. So we've seen the 381 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: kinds of questions that they've asked her, and I think 382 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: a lot of them will be based on some of 383 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: the cases that she has, you know, given opinions in 384 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: that would be cases involving, you know, racial discriminations, some 385 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: cases involving Trump administration officials. But unfortunately for them, for 386 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: the senators who want to question her, there there are 387 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: no questions that are going to be asked about. Well, 388 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: let me put it this way, she has no opinions 389 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: that she's written about the hot button topics like abortion 390 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: or religious rights or affirmative actions, so they're not going 391 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: to be able to use her record against her. So 392 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: those questions that they ask are going to be, you know, 393 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: some kind of general questions about you know what it's like. 394 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: I know that in the hearings for Um the d 395 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: C Circuit, Ted Cruz and Josh Holly asked her some questions, 396 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: some sort of I don't know, any questions. I guess 397 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: i'd call them about sentencing laws and sort of, um, 398 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: very technical things. And really no one laid a glove 399 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: on her. So we'll see if it gets any more 400 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: animated than that. Well, June, you bring up a really 401 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: good point that you know, Jackson was just voted on 402 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: last year in June, after she was nominated for the 403 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: DC Court of Appeals, three Republican Senators voted for her, 404 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Lindsay Graham. Are those three 405 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: likely to vote for her again for the Supreme Court? 406 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: And could we see even more Republican support for her. 407 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: That's a tough question to answer, Lindsay Graham. They'll they'll 408 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: always say, they always say this. It's different with the 409 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court because there are only nine seats, so it's 410 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: different than it is. And you saw how different it 411 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: was for Brett Kavanaugh, what it went from him being 412 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: on the d C circuit to him being on the 413 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So there is a difference. And right after 414 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: she was announced, Lindsay Graham, who as you mentioned, voted 415 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: for her, tweeted something about how the Biden illustration was 416 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: going with a far left agenda something like that. So 417 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean that those will vote for her. 418 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: Those three. It's been said that Susan Collins met with 419 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: her and said she had a very nice meeting, as 420 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: they always say. And she's a possibility. Murkowski is involved 421 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: in election coming up, and she may not want to 422 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: vote for her, even though you know in other times 423 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: she would because of the implications for her own election. 424 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: And you know, Lindsay Graham, I think he might vote 425 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: for her, but you can't ever be sure. So June, 426 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: who what are the other senators we should be looking for, 427 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: not only as in terms of swing votes potentially, but 428 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: looking back to the Kavanaugh hearings, there was a build 429 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: up a few senators on the committee who we're looking 430 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: to run for president and used it they got a 431 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: very high profile chance to ask some pointed questions, who 432 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: are you looking for, either in terms of asking tough 433 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: questions or looking for something high profile to to spring 434 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: the springboard them forward. Well, I think that high profile 435 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: it would be Ted Cruz and Josh Holly, and you know, 436 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: I think that have to work hard to come up 437 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: with a question that is going to sort of take 438 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: her off balance. She was asked on her confirmation hearings 439 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: for the d C Circuit about her representing an inmate 440 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: at Guantanamo, and um, you know, that sort of fell 441 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: flat because, as every lawyer knows, everyone has the right 442 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: to a defense, and so that sort of fell flat. Um. 443 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't see very much coming from a lot of 444 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: her opinions. As I said before, the the one opinion 445 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: that stands out to most people is the opinion that 446 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: had to do with former White House Counsel Don McGann's 447 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: testimony where she said that presidents are in king's But 448 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: that was really well documented opinion, and um, so I 449 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: think she might be asked about that. But and then 450 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: John Kennedy sometimes asked some very strange questions, So who knows. 451 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: I never know what he's going to ask because it 452 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: could be anything. So that's a possibility, you know. Um, 453 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: one quick question, June, but I want to get your 454 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: thoughts quickly here. Senator Mitch McConnell said that senators need 455 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: to explore the so called dark money groups that have 456 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: backed Jackson's nomination. Is that something that you can see 457 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: really factoring into her hearing here? We just have a 458 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: few seconds left. I don't think so, unless you know they. 459 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: I think it would be very hard to tie her 460 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: to that, and it would look kind of shoddy to 461 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: tie her to that. Um, She's had a great reputation 462 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: as a judge, and I don't know if they really 463 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: want to go down that with this nominee. June Grosso, 464 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. She is 465 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: the host of Bloomberg Law. Make sure to listen into 466 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: that coming up we reassemble. The panel discussed both the 467 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: Supreme Court as well as a surprise bill that passed 468 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: the Senate on daylight Savings time. I'm Emily Wilkins. This 469 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 470 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It is Friday, it is almost 471 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: six o'clock. You have made it through another week. Or 472 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: at least I hope everyone's making it through another week. 473 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: This is Emily Wilkins with my co host Bloomberg Government's 474 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick. We are reassembling the star panel of Jennie 475 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: Chianzano and Rick Davis. We just heard from June Grosso Um, 476 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: the host of Bloomberg Law, a little bit on the 477 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: hearing that will be next week for Judge Kanshi Brown Jackson, 478 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: who is in line to be the first black woman 479 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Jamie, we know that Brown was 480 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: a clerk for retiring Justice Stephen Briar. Is she expected 481 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: to be Brier two point oh on the bench or 482 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: does she deviate from her former boss in some key ways? 483 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: She does deviate in some key ways. And we did 484 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: see her sort of um, you know, uh brothers and sister, uh, 485 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, Briar fellow clerks come out and and support 486 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: her nomination. Um. They said she would be a clerk 487 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: in Briar's you know, like Brier, but she certainly differs 488 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: from him, I think in some fundamental ways. You know. 489 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: One of course is the work she did both as 490 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: a defender a public defender, UM, in private practice. Um, 491 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: you know that that is a key difference also, you know, 492 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: as she ascends to the bench, it's not only an 493 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: issue of gender and race, it's also the fact that 494 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: she is a mother of two children. This is you know, 495 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: she joins her her recently appointed Supreme Court justice as 496 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: the second woman on the court currently with children. So 497 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of differences there that I think may 498 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: inform her work on the bench. So, Genie, I want 499 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: to follow up on that, just on the significance of 500 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: her potentially becoming the first black woman on the Supreme Court. 501 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you see that as a significant reason 502 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: for what we're starting to hear from some Republicans that 503 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: they at least want to stay away from personal attacks. 504 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: Does that sort of uh inspirational aspect of this help 505 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: keep things civil in these hearings. Do you expect you know, 506 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: I would hope that they keep it civil. I have 507 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: to say I am not as convinced they are going 508 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: to if you look at some of the attacks that 509 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: have come out and June was absolutely right already by 510 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: people like Josh Holly. We you know, we've heard some 511 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: things from Mitch McConnell, and to your point, we hope 512 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: that it would remain civil. But we have to remember 513 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: it's not just an issue of questioning her. It's also 514 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: an issue of getting up. This is an opportunity for 515 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: get up, for them to get up and put together 516 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: advertisements for their future campaigns, for instance, and they will 517 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: use this time to get the coverage they want to. 518 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: So I suspect it maybe a little bit more personal 519 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: and pointed than some of us may wish. Well, there's 520 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: certainly a lot of very important things that are going 521 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill um next week. Of course, as we mentioned, 522 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: the nominee for the Supreme Court this week, a lot 523 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: of focus on Ukraine, on you, on Russia. We had 524 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: funding the government that there's something we really need to 525 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: talk about because everyone is talking about it on Capitol Hill. 526 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: This week. The United States Senate past legislation that would 527 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: permanently keep the US on daylight savings time. No more 528 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: moving your clocks, no more moving forward, no more falling back, 529 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: no more struggling to wake up in the morning. And 530 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to start off Rick by 531 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: just getting your general thoughts on this. You're a Senate guy, 532 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: You've worked with senators before. This passed by unanimous consent, 533 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: and it caught a lot of senators off guard. How 534 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything like this actually happened before 535 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Well, it wouldn't be the first time 536 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: that a senator didn't really know what he was voting 537 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 1: for when he voted. So I think that's probably not 538 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: the unusual part. I think what's unusual is like, you know, 539 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: Arizona and Hawaii leading the pack, and you know, they're 540 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: the two states that don't spring forward every year, and 541 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: now the rest of the country is joining them. Uh, 542 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: they're usually the tail, not wagging the dog, and so 543 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: this is really unusual. It'll actually be interesting to see 544 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: if it mounts any opposition in the House. I've already 545 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: seen a lot of articles about how, you know, not 546 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: springing forward will ruin your sarcadian rhythm. So who knows 547 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: what's gonna come next on this issue. Yeah, so I 548 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: would imagine there would be a lot of logistics to 549 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: work out. Actually, we know there would be a lot 550 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: of logistics to work out if this were to become law. 551 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: That's why even if it became law now, it wouldn't 552 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: take effect until November and Rick, you know the state 553 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: by state stuff, you know, Arizona. I lived in Arizona 554 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: for a while. Arizona is one of those states that 555 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: doesn't do daylight savings time uh, and yet the within 556 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: Arizona and some other states the Navajo Nation does. It 557 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: can be very confusing. If the changes in daylight savings 558 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: time becomes permanent, Genie, what does that mean? We're going 559 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: to see a bunch of state legislatures. Then maybe some 560 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: want to opt out of that. Do they want to 561 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: change time zones? There are some areas of the country 562 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: where in the winter they would be getting uh sunrise 563 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: after nine am. Yeah. I mean, it's gonna be fascinating 564 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: to see if you see, as to your point, states 565 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: and localities respond to this bill. You know, from from 566 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, the perspective of some of us, myself included, 567 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this is such a welcome relief for 568 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: those of us here in New York. Um. You know, 569 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: it is hard when it is dark so early, and 570 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. But but you can 571 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: see this is going to be a very localized issue. 572 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: To Urine Rick's point, you know, one thing I did 573 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: want to add is, just from my historical perspective, I 574 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: think the United States Senate Sunshine Protection Act maybe the 575 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: best named bill I've ever heard of. So I just 576 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: want to add that everybody like sunshine. I love it 577 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: Protected Jack. There's actually an interesting article to Bloomberg Opinion. 578 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: You can read it on the terminal. The headline is 579 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: just say no to permanent daylight savings. And you know, 580 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what's going to happen with this 581 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: bill in the House. Leaders have said that they're still 582 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: looking at it, but the Bloomberg Opinion editors are noting 583 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: here that maybe the way to go is not daylight 584 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: savings time, but to do the opposite, to do what 585 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: we have in November through March. Uh. That way, there 586 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: is going to be light out when kids are getting 587 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: ready to go to school in the morning, when we're 588 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: all driving to work. Um Rick Davis, I just want 589 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: you to weigh in on this. Do you do you 590 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: have a preference here for DST versus I guess just 591 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: just DT. You know, I think my greatest fear is 592 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: what you guys were just talking about, which is all 593 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: these states get rogue and decided to set their own times. Uh. 594 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: You know, this is what I've had to put up 595 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: with for the twenty five years that I worked with 596 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: Sena McCain in Arizona, where sometimes it's three hours delayed 597 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: from Washington. Sometimes it's too uh and and and honestly, 598 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: it's so confusing that uh that I think if they 599 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: could just settle on one thing. And I've heard the 600 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: debate in Arizona that I think the senators their Cinnamon 601 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: and and Kelly, I think are opting to say, why 602 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: don't we just become mountain time and and uh So, 603 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: I think that you're right, a lot of these states 604 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: are gonna scramble. I think confusion could reign supreme. It 605 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time that the Senate in the 606 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: House did something that you know, resulted in a rebellion 607 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: from the states. But at the end of the day, um, 608 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's almost irrelevant anymore with the 609 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: modern society we live in. You know, whether you're getting 610 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: up with the dark or getting up with the light. Uh. 611 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: You know that's what they make headlights for. Drive to work. 612 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: Just make sure you pay attention to the road. We're 613 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: talking about Arizona. Senator Kirsten Cinema, who was in the 614 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: Senate Chamber, kind of presiding over things when it happened, 615 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: she told BuzzFeed News that she was surprised that someone 616 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: didn't object, and then noted that Arizona, Arizona does not 617 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: change its clocks quote because we're smart. Uh. That's that's 618 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: such an Arizona way of putting that Arizona is so 619 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: comfortable standing out from the rest of America. You know. 620 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: I actually was doing some research on this, and I 621 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: have to give credit to the Reynolds Center on Business 622 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: Journalism because they did this compilation of what are the 623 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: the industries and the groups that are for or against 624 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: permanent daylight savings time. One that I found interesting, maybe confusing, 625 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: was there's been this debate in Colorado specifically as to 626 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: whether Colorado was also going to do permanent daylight savings, 627 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: and the ski industry is against that, assuming that they 628 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: would have to open later because the sun would rise later, 629 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: and people wouldn't stay later because they want to go 630 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: home and beat the traffic. I don't know how logical 631 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: that is, But Genie, do do we know? You know, 632 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: that's one example. Do we know who's really for this 633 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: and against this? Yeah? And and another group to your 634 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: point that I've heard that's for it. On the other 635 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: hide are people in the sun Belt, people in tourist 636 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: areas where the longer day means people will do the opposite. 637 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: They will be out spending more money. And of course, 638 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: as we come out hopefully of the pandemic and we 639 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: see bars and restaurants in places where people spend money 640 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: into the evening entertainment, which has been so hard hit 641 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: by the pandemic, that is going to be, you know, 642 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: potentially a welcome change. So I I do think we're 643 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: gonna see, you know, these sort of fights for and 644 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: against this, depending on what people feel is in their interest. 645 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: You know. One of the fascinating things, you know, I'm 646 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: old enough to remember before we had all these you know, 647 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: convoluted iPhones and everything, where you actually had to change 648 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: the clock. God forbid you forgot to do that. Yeah, Emily, 649 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: now you wake up, it's changed for you. But there 650 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: was a time I could tell you where you had 651 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: to do it manually. So we have it a little 652 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: bit easier these days. Rick Davis, you remember that. I 653 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: think back in the day, I'm I'm looking forward to 654 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: telling my kids about the days and we had to 655 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: change our clocks. We've been shown. Came with Jennie Chanzano 656 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis. But we also it is Women's History Month, 657 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: and every day of this month we're celebrating significant moments 658 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: in women's history. So we want to bring you our 659 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: installment for today, Friday, March eighteen. Here is Bloomberg's Fernita 660 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: Young On this day in Women's History. In nineteen seventy, 661 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: over one hundred women stage to sit in at the 662 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: Ladies Home Journal, occupying the office for eleven hours. That 663 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: were protesting the way the magazine depicted female interests and perspectives. 664 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: At the time, the staff of the Ladies Home Journal 665 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: was comprised mostly of men. Protesters argued that the content 666 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: focused almost entirely on housework, beauty, and the support of 667 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: the patriarchy. On that day, protesters made demands to the 668 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: editor in chief, John McCarter and senior editor lean Or Hershey, 669 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: who was one of the only women on staff. Among 670 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: those demands were the hiring of a female editor in 671 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: chief and an all female editorial staff, raising women's salaries, 672 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: and hiring diverse women. Later on, in nineteen seventy three, 673 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: her She was named editor in chief. That's today in 674 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: Women's history. I'm Rnita Young Bloomberg Radio. Thank you so much, Nita, 675 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: and thank you as well to Ridgepoint Global founder Bryan Klein, 676 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's June Grasso, and my co host Jack Fitzpatrick. This 677 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg