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Speaker 1: Ready for a busy off season. Welcome Burg Gang. On

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Speaker 1: Today Show, Danny Surrek joins me. Okay, all off seasons

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Speaker 1: are busy, but this offseason the Cardinals can and hopefully

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Speaker 1: will focus strictly on the field many personnel, in other words, players,

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Speaker 1: whether that's draft prospects, free agent targets, or possible trade candidates.

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Speaker 1: Time to get started. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven eight,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's a a ten half of five?

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Speaker 1: He's it again? So far?

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Speaker 3: Harry Magic?

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Speaker 1: Whoa?

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: Quick question before we begin.

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Speaker 3: I don't like when you start with this, Craig, because

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Speaker 3: I never know where you're going. Do you find an

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Speaker 3: old tweet of mine?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I did not, Okay, then I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Do I need to search?

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Speaker 3: I don't know?

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Speaker 1: Okay. The question is this, do you know what today is?

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Speaker 1: And today? Depending on when people might be partaking in

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Speaker 1: this podcast February fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: Is it a trap to say Valentine's Day? Is that

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Speaker 3: the answer you're looking for?

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Speaker 1: That's not a trap. I was just asking, do you

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Speaker 1: know what today is? If that's your answer, then that's

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Speaker 1: your answer. Is that your answer?

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Speaker 3: It's the one year unniversary of Jonathan Gannon being hired

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Speaker 3: as a head coach. Was that right? Oh goodness?

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Speaker 1: Do you think I was trying to catch you off,

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Speaker 1: guarden av I mean, okay, you brought a Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 3: Not really? That's why I was thought that it was

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Speaker 3: a trap, question of shoot, is this what he wants

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Speaker 3: me to say? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Although I'd nice to see you wear in your Valentine's.

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Speaker 3: Day red my Cardinals, my red T shirt I'm representing.

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Speaker 1: No, it is the one year anniversary of the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals naming Jonathan Gannon as head coach. Daniel Durban's got

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Speaker 1: a story up on Easycardinals dot com. In some respects,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like a year, and other respects, Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: it feels like a full calendar year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like it's been a year to me.

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Speaker 3: Craig when I think I look back and you think

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Speaker 3: about everything, that's all the moves that have been made

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Speaker 1: It's just because we're here in the middle of February,

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Speaker 1: and typically when you have new head coaches it's January,

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Speaker 1: middle January, late January. The Cardinals waited until after the

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did. It took a long time and then

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Speaker 3: Last offseason, don't forget a new uniforms. I mean there

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: Thankfully we don't have to worry about those new GM

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Speaker 1: It's a different off season. It might not be any

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Speaker 3: This is really where you get into the nitty gritty

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Speaker 1: What worked, what didn't work. To your point, you have

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, wide receiver is very high on the list in

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Speaker 3: terms of need, there's a good argument to take a

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Speaker 3: You bring up a good point, though, of besides the

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Speaker 3: And Amaro de Mercado As you're blocking running back, is

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Speaker 3: moving forward, you're gonna have some decisions that still need

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Speaker 3: Maybe it makes sense to draft a wide receiver and

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Speaker 3: And it's a question of left tackle. Is this staff

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Speaker 1: This year, I'll bring up one more position on offense,

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Speaker 1: and it's a position that you hope you don't have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Claytuone's probably not ready for that role.

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Speaker 1: There were sixty six different quarterbacks who started at least

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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting point. I don't know how fair

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Speaker 1: But you talk about wide receiver and offensive line, and

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not just because of what the Cardinals need.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network four wide receivers in his top

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Speaker 1: I know there's there are countless mock drafts. I pay

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Speaker 3: That all sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it's I love. I will always advocate

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Speaker 3: There does come a point where when a team is

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Speaker 1: And if that's the way the Cardinals choose to go,

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Speaker 3: those top picks. The money should go, yes, in the trenches,

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Speaker 3: you could put money anywhere on this defense, Craig, and

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Speaker 3: I do think it would. It would really help. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals run defense was bottom tier in the league

442
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Speaker 3: really no surprise based on the injuries. The original idea

443
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Speaker 3: was to have a true rotation on that d line,

444
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Speaker 3: and defensive coordinator Nick Rollis had his hands a little

445
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Speaker 3: tied because of how many injuries, how many biceps injuries

446
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Speaker 3: this team was dealing with specifically, and having to really

447
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Speaker 3: go into the depth and some of those younger players

448
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: bringing in it experienced players and having to make do

449
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Speaker 3: with what you could there. So defensive line absolutely is

450
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Speaker 3: a top place for me if you're asking where do

451
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Speaker 3: you want to spend money in free agency? And then

452
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Speaker 3: of course a pass rusher that was non existent for

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Speaker 3: the second half. I don't think there was a single

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Speaker 3: sack by the Cardinals defense. In the final six games.

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Speaker 3: You got a glimpse in the first half of the

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Speaker 3: season from you know, some Zave and Collins, Victor d mccagee,

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Speaker 3: Dennis Gardeck. It turned out to not be consistent enough

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Speaker 3: throughout the season. And that's an area that you really

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Speaker 3: if you're looking for a game wrecker, that's a great

460
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Speaker 3: spot if you can find somebody in that position because

461
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Speaker 3: that's obviously going to then connect with your coverage and

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Speaker 3: force the quarterback to get the ball out a little quicker.

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Speaker 3: And how's that going to help your secondary? It all

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Speaker 3: ties together one hundred percent agree with you know, the

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Speaker 3: big bucks should absolutely go to the defensive side of

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Speaker 3: the ball.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense finished with the third fewest sacks, fifth fewest

468
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Speaker 1: passes defense, and the fewest takeaways. And that's why this

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Speaker 1: Cardinals team didn't win as many games as perhaps many

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Speaker 1: people thought, because they just didn't quite have the talent

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Speaker 1: or talent to stay on the football field. But you

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Speaker 1: bring up the sacks, and as you said that, technically

473
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Speaker 1: there was one sack over the last six games. Dennis

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Speaker 1: Gardek gets credited when Justin Fields ran out of bounds.

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Speaker 2: But here's a trivia.

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Speaker 1: Question for you Danny Okay, who is the last Cardinals

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Speaker 1: player to sack, actually make a town sack a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So middle of the season, I'm not gonna go with

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Speaker 3: Xavi and I'm not going to go with Dennis. Oh

480
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Speaker 3: was it Jalen Thompson.

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Speaker 1: No, I'll give you the It was Fine, not Blitz. No,

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Speaker 1: it was Week eleven. That's how far this goes back

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Speaker 1: Week eleven.

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Speaker 3: Again like a against the Texans. Against the Texans.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals had four sacks in that game, Roy Lopez, Dante Stills.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Well, I guess am I am I wrong?

487
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Speaker 3: Against Chicago, Jalen only had the pick. He didn't have

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Speaker 3: a sack off the Blitznow it was guard I.

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Speaker 1: Who had the sack against the Bears.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that was technically there, okay, okay, Dante Stills, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, in that game against the Texans, because I

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Speaker 1: went back and I did a deep dive on number

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Speaker 1: of sacks and I saw the number four is okay,

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Speaker 1: And and I'm trying to figure out the last quarterback

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Speaker 1: of that Oh it was bj Julai. He had a

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Speaker 1: sack in the fourth quarter. Well, oh, he didn't sack

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. He sacked Tank Dell, but Tank Dell went

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Speaker 1: out as looking to throw the football, so gets credited

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Speaker 1: for a sex. So the last Cardinals player to sack

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Speaker 1: a quarterback Dante Still's Week eleven against the Texans third quarter.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Wow, it's the off season. I can

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Speaker 1: do these diving numbers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: You have got a knack for numbers, Greg.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the numbers are not always good, but hey,

505
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: does show you what this team needs again, going back

506
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Speaker 1: to the fewest number of sacks and passes defense and

507
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Speaker 1: getting to the opposing quarterback. This Cardinals team, I do

508
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Speaker 1: believe has several pieces, rotation pieces. They don't have that guy.

509
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Speaker 1: They don't have that Montes Sweat. When the Bears acquired

510
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Speaker 1: him from the Commanders. You're like, wow, and it completely

511
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: changed what the Bears could do defensively. Cardinals need to

512
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Speaker 1: find themselves a Montest Sweat.

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Speaker 3: After watching the Super Bowl in the Chiefs and Trent McDuffie,

514
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking the Cardinals need to get a stud cornerback,

515
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Speaker 3: Craig So pick your poison here, Gary, what is gannon?

516
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Speaker 1: Nick rollis always say the Russian coverage, coverage and rushing, Yes,

517
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Speaker 1: what is more important? I'll go back to what Drew

518
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Stanton always likes to say former Cardinals quarterback colleague of ours.

519
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are much more concerned about the rush than they

520
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: are the coverage because they see someone coming at them

521
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Speaker 1: and that if they've got time in the pocket, they'll

522
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Speaker 1: dissect a Trent mcduffee. It doesn't matter how good you

523
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: are in that secondary. If they've got four or five seconds,

524
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: they'll beat any All Pro cornerback or safety. It's the

525
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: edge rusher, the defensive lineman that they are aware of.

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Speaker 3: I still think if you're able to get a game

527
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Speaker 3: wrecker as one of your pass rushers, you can get

528
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Speaker 3: more out of the players you have here. You could

529
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Speaker 3: probably get more out of a BJS Lauri, who didn't

530
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Speaker 3: even have a truer off season as a rookie last

531
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Speaker 3: year because he was rehabbing. You could probably get more

532
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Speaker 3: with Davin Collins after giving him another full year and

533
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Speaker 3: another offseason to really fine tune that switch from inside

534
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: linebacker to outside that he made this last year. I

535
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: think a good example is when the Cardinals had Chandler

536
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Speaker 3: Jones and Marcus Golden, and you were able because you

537
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Speaker 3: had Chandler Jones on one side, you were able to

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00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: get a lot out of Golden. Opposite once Jones left

539
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: and you were relying on Golden to step up as

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Speaker 3: the number one pass rusher wasn't as productive. Think if

541
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Speaker 3: you're able to get a number one star that is

542
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Speaker 3: going to demand attention from your opponent, you can get

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00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: a little more. You can work, get some magic out

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Speaker 3: of the other players you've got opposite of whoever you're

545
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Speaker 3: able to bring in. And that, look, that is a

546
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Speaker 3: position that costs money. You want to get somebody who's

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Speaker 3: really going to make a difference, you're going to have

548
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Speaker 3: to pay up. The Cardinals are in a pretty good

549
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: spot when you're looking at cap space that they have.

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Speaker 3: It's just a matter of allocating the money and doing

551
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Speaker 3: it in a smart way, which from the limited decisions

552
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Speaker 3: we have seen in that aspect from Austin for it,

553
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: seems to have done a nice job with that so far.

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Speaker 1: Got a two year contract for Kaiser White, that's a

555
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty good deal. Get a two year contract for Yo

556
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: to thro Holt that turned out to be a great

557
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: deal as well.

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00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: Well.

559
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: Hernandez on a two year deal. Another solid move by

560
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: the front office. But you're right this Cardinals defense lacks

561
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Speaker 1: that star on the premium position, the edge rush of

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Speaker 1: the cornerback caw Can BG O Jallari develop into that star? Perhaps?

563
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: Can Garrett Williams develop into that star? Perhaps? But when

564
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Speaker 1: you're looking for something now to maybe help elevate their

565
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: game to your point of Okay, my attention is focused

566
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Speaker 1: on the right, and all of a sudden O Juli

567
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: is on the left, and all of a sudden, his

568
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: numbers look better and he feels more confident, and you

569
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Speaker 1: have someone that a quarterback now has to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to on both sides of the line of scrimmage versus

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Speaker 1: just one guy, or in the case of this year,

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Speaker 1: there was no one. There were just rotation pieces, solid players,

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Speaker 1: but not that one guy that I think any opposing

574
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Speaker 1: quarterback feared, whether that was on the first level, second level,

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Speaker 1: or third level of the Cardinals defense.

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Speaker 3: That's just right. And that's just the point where the

577
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: Cardinals are in the cycle that every team goes through

578
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: of you know, you start winning, you start bringing in

579
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Speaker 3: the pieces to win, and then it just starts to

580
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: cost a lot of money to retain those players. And

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Speaker 3: then you go through a couple of years where you've

582
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: only got to do some you know, fill a couple spots,

583
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: put some band aids on, and then every team goes

584
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Speaker 3: to the cycle. At some point you got to kind

585
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 3: of refresh. And that's just where the Cardinals were, and

586
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: that's the position that they found themselves in. Similar lead

587
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: to the defensive line. A couple of years ago, you

588
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: had JJ Watt demanding a ton of attention allowed Zach

589
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: Allen on the defensive line to really be a game

590
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: changer and disrupt something. So that's really what I think

591
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are missing is either a big run stuffer

592
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: or are really an edge rusher that's going to demand

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00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: attention and elevate this defense and the sense that the

594
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: other players are going to be able to do a

595
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: little bit more with one player getting that attention, and.

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Speaker 1: Then you have to identify those players and then are

597
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: they truly available?

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00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: I e.

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones did the Kansas City Chiefs let him walk

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Speaker 1: out the door, and based off what Jones had to

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Speaker 1: say earlier on Wednesday at the Super Bowl parade, He's

602
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: not going any That's.

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Speaker 3: The key at the parade, Craig. But here's the thing is,

604
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Speaker 3: even if Chris Jones hadn't gone on the mic and

605
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 3: said he was going to be in Kansas City year

606
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: after year, which is again not sure how how much

607
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: he had to drink. I don't know how thirsty he

608
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: was before he got to that point, if he was

609
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: enjoying a celebration somebody like a Chris Jones's. It's an interesting,

610
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Speaker 3: very specific example because not only does it make would

611
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Speaker 3: it make sense financially? Would it make sense for Chris

612
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Speaker 3: Jones to come to Arizona at this point in his career.

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00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: The Cardinals are not a defensive tackle away from winning

614
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, They're not. So is that a position

615
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: that Jones wants to put himself in, is willing to

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Speaker 3: put himself in at this point in his career. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure that that would make the most sense for him. Now.

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00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: A scenario maybe like that, where you've got a player

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Speaker 3: who isn't as far along or maybe wouldn't require as

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Speaker 3: much money based on how successful Jones has been, how

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Speaker 3: well he's played, that's a veteran could still make sense.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's not gonna be a single veteran

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Speaker 3: who wants to come here. I'm just saying, if you've

624
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: got a veteran who just won a Super Bowl in

625
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: Kansas City and he can stay there with Patrick Mahomes

626
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: and the rest of their team and wants to stay

627
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: there like you could. He really blame him rather than

628
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Speaker 3: going to a team where they're in a transition year

629
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Speaker 3: and it might take a couple of years to get

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Speaker 3: to that point of being dominant year after year.

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Speaker 1: It always comes down to the dollars and cents. Yet,

632
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: as you get older in the league, less about the

633
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: dollars and cents, especially if you have already made a

634
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: lot of money. But then the Cardinals, if you look

635
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: at or you want to spend money, do you have

636
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: a limit at how much you're willing to spend for

637
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: one particular player versus spreading that money out to two

638
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: or three different players at different positions where you add

639
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: depth but maybe lack that one quote unquote big name.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what I see from this

641
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: front office. It's responsible spending. Yeah, you like those big

642
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: ticket items, but you do a little bit more of

643
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: your homework. Are you catching a guy in a contract

644
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: year or just the third year of a three straight

645
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: seasons in which they've produced, And then you figure out, Okay,

646
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Speaker 1: do they really love the game, Do they have the

647
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Speaker 1: passion for it? Are they willing, as Jonathan Ganna likes

648
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Speaker 1: to say, put team in front of me.

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Speaker 3: Here's the good thing is the Cardinals were incredibly competitive

650
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: this year with the players that they had, specifically on defense,

651
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: they might not have done a great job at stopping

652
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: the run, but we did see some flashes and they

653
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: were competitive and they did go up and beat some

654
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: good offenses, some teams that made deep playoff pushes. That

655
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 3: is a good sign that now having another full off

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Speaker 3: season again, now more of an understanding, more of a

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Speaker 3: a really good sign when you see the flashes we

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Speaker 3: saw times from keetro Clark, who I know started as

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Speaker 3: saw good things from Clark, who probably just needs a

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Speaker 3: little more time to refine his skills. We saw Jalen Thompson,

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Speaker 3: We saw good things from Garrett Williams. You saw flashes

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Speaker 3: from Dante Stills on that D line, b j Ojalari

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Speaker 3: have a good sense of what you have in these

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Speaker 3: younger players where I feel like if you are able

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Speaker 3: to spend the money on a pass rusher, maybe then

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Speaker 3: and spread the money more throughout a couple options, right,

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Speaker 3: you might see significant jumps from those players that you

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Speaker 3: saw flashes from going into year two. And if you

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Speaker 3: were able to get what you got out of them

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Speaker 3: this year, you can only think you can get more

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Speaker 3: to them with more time under head coach Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 1: No player or no team I should say got more

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Speaker 1: out of their rookies than the Arizona Cardinals in terms

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Speaker 1: of snaps played, games played, starts made. That all bodes

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Speaker 1: well for what we hope to be another successful draft

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Speaker 1: class for Monty Austin for and yeah, this front office.

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Speaker 1: I joked that the offseason is not a kind of

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Speaker 1: it's underway, but this front office has been looking at

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Speaker 1: what we've been talking about, whether that's the draft or

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Speaker 1: free agency for months now, not just not just since

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Speaker 1: the season ended after Week eighteen, but for months now,

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Speaker 1: but now. Really, the spotlight really shines now, especially when

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Speaker 1: everyone convenes in Indianapolis. And I'm looking forward to going

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Speaker 1: back because it's been a couple of years since I

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Speaker 1: was there. There's no better city, at least from my

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Speaker 1: vantage point, that can host everyone and one location as

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Speaker 1: far as the amenities, the hotels, the convention spat space,

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Speaker 1: the hospital nearby for all the medical checks. It's well done.

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Speaker 1: And as long as the weather is good, then I'll

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Speaker 1: be good.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all of a sudden, now that you're going

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Speaker 3: to Indianapolis, you care about the weather and you care

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Speaker 3: about the cold and all this stuff. Craig, real interesting timing.

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Speaker 3: Don't think that got past me.

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Speaker 1: It's snowed the last time I was in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a lot of fun. Should be fun, Honestly.

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Speaker 3: The best part is if you don't want to go outside,

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Speaker 3: you don't you really have to unless you want to

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Speaker 3: go somewhere specific for dinner. Yes, you don't.

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Speaker 1: Really have having the wall is connected while with all

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Speaker 1: the different tunnels and everything. Yeah, it's all under cover.

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Speaker 3: It's very nice and you're not even dropping The most

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Speaker 3: exciting part about what's happening at combine For all of

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Speaker 3: our Cover two listeners, We're gonna have Cover two and

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Speaker 3: a bunch of other podcasts happening out there.

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Speaker 1: From the Combine Cardinals Underground. Two of the three main people,

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Speaker 1: the two of the three.

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Speaker 3: Most will be holding it down here in Tempe because

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Speaker 3: someone's got to That's true. We need to have an

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Speaker 3: adult on hand for Zach Gershman.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I like that, Like, see what you did there?

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Speaker 2: Nice?

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Speaker 1: So for Zach or Zach for Paul. Who's who's the

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Speaker 1: true adult?

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Speaker 3: Let's say Paul's here for Zach. Come on, Let's get

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Speaker 3: Paul a little credit, all right, just a little I

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Speaker 3: see what you did there, just a.

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Speaker 1: Little for Paul.

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Speaker 3: I did not do that, Okay, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Before we get in any further trouble, how about

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Speaker 1: we put a lot on This edition of Cardinals. Cover two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Yundai, pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals has

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Speaker 1: always special thanks to everyone behind the scenes. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Mama Andre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For

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Speaker 1: Danny Surrek, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two,