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Oh baby, 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: human field. Here's Craig Griolud, Mike Jarecki and Darren Urban. 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Now this is big mg, bigger than Aaron Rodgers's reported 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: contract extension. I'd see even bigger than Kyler Murray reposting 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: all of his Cardinals related to his Instagram. We got 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Darren Urban on the show here on this Tuesday morning, 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: fresh off the Combine a week long stay in Indianapolis. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I hear things were a little slow at the scouting combine. 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Last slow. You know. First of all, I just want 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: to apologize for not being an ex player. I know 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: that that's normally what you need here in this spot, 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: but you're stuck with You do have a solid fifteen 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: eighteen foot jumper, though, so don't fout yourself. Appreciate now 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: it's a different, different kind of sport, but you know 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: your game is right there, Darren. I appreciate that. So 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: how was okay? We know how the early part of 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: the week went. It was far from slow, but overall 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: you're what twentieth something, yeah, twenty two somewhere now, who's counting? Um? Yeah, 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: it was obviously getting out there. Um, the the social 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: media hit on right when I got through security with 30 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Eric Burke hearts Kyler Murray's statement. That was right when 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: I was getting through security on the way out, So 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: obviously that was what was happening. On Monday Tuesday, both 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Steve Kim and Steve Cliff Kingsbury talked, so we got 34 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: the reactions to the Kyler thing, and that's usually the 35 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: big deal down there is having those two guys talk, 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and then of course Wednesday morning comes the news of 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: the extension. So yeah, it was a frontloaded and very 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: busy week. You know, even nationally, I think people were 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: paying attention although I felt like in a lot of 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: ways the extensions resonated a lot less nationally than obviously 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the Kyler stuff, which makes sense to me. I think 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: the Kyler stuff is going to get the clicks, so 43 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: you always focus on the quarterback m J and I 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: think less to a certain extent, the head coach to 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: general managers always about the players and what they do 46 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: on the field on Sundays. We haven't had a chance 47 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: here on the Cardinals Red tea report presented by Sea 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: get your seats in a seat to discuss. Steve kim 49 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: Clip Kingsbury signed through twenty twenty seven a five year 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: extension for the general manager four year extension for the 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: head coach. Surprised at all that this was done when 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: it was announced, Well, I mean I think it's very 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: clear this doesn't go against a salary cap, so I mean, 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, there was you know, comments about stability and 55 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, obviously disappointing finish, but on paper they've made progress. 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you just look at it from 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: a winning standpoint. But again, it's goin to get better, 58 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: So you know, if this doesn't get better in the 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: next couple of years and then maybe they won't see 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the contract. So but I think if 61 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: from a standpoint of if Kyler was worried about, hey, 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: you know it's Cliff going to be here next year, 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: that's just me connecting dots. But again, at the end 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: of the day, these two are attached to the hip 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: along with Kyler. Murray certainly took me by surprise. Darren, 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: as you're in Indianapolis getting ready for your day on Wednesday, 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: having just spoken to Time and Kingsbury, how surprised are you? 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Maybe not so much that something was extended, because you're 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: going into the final year for the general manager and 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: if that team option isn't picked up the final year 71 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: for the head coach. Yet that's not always what you want. 72 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: But the timing of everything, the way that week went 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: from Monday to Tuesday, Wednesday, all of a sudden, the 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: pendulum swinging back and forth between player organization back to 75 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the player. It's it's been it's been fun seventy two 76 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 1: hour Yeah, I mean I was. I was taken aback 77 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: by it a little bit. Um maybe less about the 78 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: extensions and more about the timing and and not necessarily 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: uh you know, I'm not one hundred percent sure that 80 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: that was exactly when the Cardinals were going to put 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: it out there, but obviously things had changed a little 82 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: bit in a lot of ways. And you never know 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: what's going to happen either. I mean, once in this 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: league you try and get something done and a reporter 85 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: starts sniffing down, and then that change can change timelines 86 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I will say that, you know, again, 87 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: I was surprised because our everybody's thoughts for two days 88 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: were the Kyler Murray situation. You're that's where your head is, 89 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: is what's going to happen with the quarterback, you know, 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: him talking about wanting to contract. Um, you know, Kim 91 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: and Kingsbury trying to talk about it as best they 92 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: can without getting too much into detail because as Steve 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: Kim mentioned, he wants all that to be confidential. So 94 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: that's that's where all the thought was for me. Uh 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: certainly not where their contracts were at that point. So 96 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: to have it then come out was a little bit 97 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: of whiplash. Um. Again, as Mike said, as you think 98 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: about it a little bit more, okay, makes a little 99 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: bit of sense, and you understand why it happened. But again, 100 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: because of everything that was happening at the time. That's 101 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: that's what made it mostly surprising to me. And who's 102 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: to say that these talks, these contract extensions, weren't talked 103 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: about initially seven and zero, ten and two at some 104 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: point mid season, and then this was just the finality 105 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Yes, it was disappointing 106 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: how the year finished, but you take a step back 107 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: and you realize, yeah, Levin wins is a big deal. 108 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: Get into the postseason is a big deal, and you 109 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: just again, everyone has a chance to calm down a 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: little bit. You finalize it, and into your point, Darren, 111 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: all right, when does it get announced, whether it was 112 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: scheduled or pushed up because reports out You're not, I 113 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: mean to me and I don't know the details, but 114 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: you're not getting deals like that done, you know, overnight. 115 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there had to be some discussions and 116 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: you go back to where and those I think are 117 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: probably going to be a lot more simple to do 118 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: than anything you do with the quarterback. So if Kyler 119 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: Murray is able to do something with this team this offseason, 120 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: I can't see it taking a little bit of time 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: and I and I understand that part about the You 122 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: know when Michael Bidwell mentioned on Arizona Sports a couple 123 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: of weeks ago about how it can be complicated. It 124 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: is complicated. It should be complicated. It's I would think 125 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I would and not because of I mean, all this 126 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: stuff is complicated. It's just like talking about Aaron Rodgers today. 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever deal that got done today, I mean 128 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: the Packers knew for a few days Aaron Rodgers was 129 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: coming back, and Aaron Rodgers knew it too. We're all guessing, ohays, 130 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers going to stay, as they've known for a 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: few days at least. So yeah, Well, well cynical there, Darren, 132 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: I get you know, they'll always I can call you 133 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: just what's happened. When you've been around the game for 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: twenty plus years, it's it's it's easier to day than day. 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: And MJ you brought up a good point. You don't 136 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: have to deal with the salary cap when you're talking 137 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: about the front office. You're a head coach, you're coaching staff. 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: Because that quarterback contract, if and when it does get done, 139 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: how much does that factor into this year's salary cap, 140 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: next year's and the year after that? Gentle manages a 141 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: coaches all takes his one man ownership. What do they 142 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: want to do, how long, how much? And that's it. 143 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: There's no piece of the pie that you have to 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: pencil off or slice off for that particular individual. Yeah, 145 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: and you know, clearly nobody was happy how it ended, 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: and I think cooler heads prevailed. But you know, let's 147 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: be honest, when this team was seven to no and 148 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: ten and two, I think, you know, contract extensions were discussed. 149 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And I also think that you know, if Cliff, let's 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: say this team gets to the playoffs next year and 151 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: they win another game, is somebody going to try to 152 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: come up to me in college? So you don't have 153 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: to worry about that now. He obviously is going to 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: be here for the next few years, and we'll see 155 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: if it ends. You know, Cardinals will have an opportunity 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: to pick up that fifth year option on May third, 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and that's close to thirty million. He's made thirty five 158 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: guaranteed already, so you know, we'll just have to wait 159 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: and see. But you know, it's going to be interesting 160 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: just to see the process. And because normally, and I 161 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: thought Michael brought up a good point on Newsmaker's Week 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: was you look at these other quarterbacks. Nobody's going to 163 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: contract extension in February March. I mean, the focus right 164 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: now should be on the roster, focus should be on 165 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: free agency in the draft. That should be the focus 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: right now. All right, let's focus on that because that's 167 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: what's coming up next. The scouting combine has come and gone. 168 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: Free agency is what's next. The legal tampering period, I 169 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: think that's what they officially call. It begins on Monday 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: the fourteenth, and then the new league of year free 171 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: agency officially kicks off on Wednesday. The Cardinals with twenty 172 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: one unrestricted free agents, and they'll also be looking on 173 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: that market to find out where they can upgrade at 174 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: certain positions. At the scouting combine, Generalmenter's chief time what 175 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: awaits his team in free agency. I think that we 176 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of tough decisions to make, and that's 177 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: a good thing when yere in my position, because we 178 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: had twenty one unrestricted free agents on our roster last year, 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: so we have some really tough decisions to make and 180 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: move forward. We'll have conversations this week with a number 181 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: of their representatives, but again, a lot of guys that 182 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: came in and in my opinion, have put themselves in 183 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: a position to be rewarded. Little surprised. And I mentioned 184 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: this to you off air, Darren earlier in the week 185 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: that of those twenty one, we haven't heard at least 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: a couple of those resigning before they hit free agency. 187 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: You'll go back to a couple of years ago. DJ 188 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: Humphries signed before hitting free agency. If you want to 189 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: be here, if it makes sense, And the one name 190 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: that I'm pointing to is Cult McCoy because of what 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: he means. And I'm not talking about big names Chandler Jones, 192 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: James Connor. I'm talking about some of those role players, 193 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: those key players that are active and play significant snaps 194 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: don't get a lot of the headlines that you need 195 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: to have on a roster, and the Cardinals do have 196 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: several of those amongst those twenty one. The Colt McCoy 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: question is an interesting one. You know, what does that mean? 198 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, usually we you know, obviously, the the official 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: tampering time doesn't come till Monday, but it's naive to 200 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: think that there isn't some things floated out there during 201 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: the buying, and who knows if there might be something 202 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: out there for Colt McCoy. You know, if a team 203 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a quarterback and is isn't going to 204 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: be able to really settle it down, or might be 205 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: willing to draft one early, maybe they want a placeholder 206 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: starter like a Colt McCoy. I don't know. I mean, 207 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. I do know that Colt McCoy holds 208 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: a ton of value for this team if they can 209 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: bring him back. I think he showed that on the field. 210 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: I think he showed that off the field. But again, 211 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: they got him in a at a pretty cheap price 212 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: last year, and maybe he's saying, hey, I deserve a 213 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: little bit more money than that. And that's ultimately what 214 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: happens when you win a bunch of games and you 215 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: have free agencies. They want to they want to cash 216 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: in if they can't. Yeah, I mean we've talked to 217 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: Drew stan and Kyle Vanenbosch, and you know, when the 218 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals initially brought in Drew stand he was a starter. 219 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: And then obviously they made the trader for Carson Palmer. 220 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: But you know, two or three year deal, two and 221 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: a half three, you know, just so have some protection 222 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: because you know, give him credit he won two out 223 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: of three games on the road against division opponents, so 224 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: and he's been really good for Kyler. Hopefully that that 225 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: relationship can continue to grow in the future. I'd love 226 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: to have that because it's what happens off the field, 227 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: away from the cameras, on what someone like a Colt 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: McCoy can do for a young quarterback. And I'd still 229 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: consider Kyler Murray young, and McCoy is someone that Kyler 230 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: has openly. I looked up for him, another Texas quarterback, 231 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: very successful in the state of Texas, someone that you 232 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: hope Kyler Murray listens to. And I don't know that's 233 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: that's not easy to find if you do lose a 234 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: Cole McCoy. Yeah, I just know last year that they 235 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: watched a lot more film and you know, obviously Kyler, 236 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: you know he likes to work out and being a 237 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: dual threat quarterback, you have to have make sure your 238 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: lower tourists are strong, and he does a lot of 239 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: squatting and all that. But you like to see him 240 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: possibly go on the film and I'm not saying he doesn't, 241 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: but that's where the game's got to slow down for him. 242 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: He's got to be able to recognize things. And if 243 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: you watch film. I listen to Mike McDonald, he said, 244 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: you have the answers to the test when you watch film, 245 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: so when you step on the field you know exactly 246 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: what's going on. Again, twenty one unrestricted free agents. Ten 247 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: of those including Cole McCoy on offense, which will discuss 248 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: even further as we continue here on The Cardinals Red 249 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: Sea Report, presented by a Seat Geek. Get your seats 250 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: in a seat. 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And he understands that, 260 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: and he understands my view of him and how I 261 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: feel about him. And once again I'm gonna refer it 262 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: back to the business side of days, and that's not 263 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: something that I deal with, but it's all part of 264 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: the business right now and things that would continue to 265 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: work through. In regards of the statement, I know everybody's 266 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: seen that. I think it's an agent throwing his job. 267 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for Eric Brookhar obviously 268 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. From my standpoint, any negotiations, any conversations and 269 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: dialogue will be certainly held confidential between the three of US. 270 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Cardinal's head coach Cliff Kingsbury, Cardinals Jeernal manager Steve Kim 271 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: last week in Indianapolis speaking to reporters at the scouting 272 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: combine and reference to Kyler Murray and the statement issued 273 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: by his agents, he wants a contract and he wants 274 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: it's right now. Question is, well he gets what he wants. 275 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: He did, though Darren earlier here on Tuesday we joked 276 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: about it off the top, maybe not the biggest news 277 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: of the day, that would be to Aaron Rodgers. But 278 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's Instagram is back to normal. Of course, now 279 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: people are trying to read into that, trying to connect 280 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: dots several pictures of him wearing a Cardinal's uniform. What 281 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: does it mean? Mightbe nothing. Yeah, maybe maybe the nothing. 282 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna say that if 283 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: Kyler has something to say about restoring his Instagram posts 284 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: or even the fact he took him down in the 285 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: first place, I'm gonna defer to him to say whatever 286 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: he needs to say. I mean, honestly, I understood why 287 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: the people were wondering about it originally because there was 288 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: nothing out there. But I mean, what does the IG 289 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: mean anything at this point after the lengthy post from 290 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Eric Burkhard. I mean, we know we know what Kyler's thinking, 291 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: so the rest of it seems kind of like window 292 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: a dressing to me, Well, actions do speak louder than 293 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: words in terms of well that's what we were told 294 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: during lengthy statement and the scrubbing and now the repost 295 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: team are actions, So those are the actions you're talking. 296 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying again, I'm trying to make I'm 297 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: trying to connect dots here, Mike Jarek, and it's probably again, 298 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: we won't know, And to Darren's point, we won't know 299 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: until actually Kyler Murray does speak, and when that happens, 300 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: who knows. The other thing that has been announced ahead 301 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: of free agency is the salary cap is going up 302 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: till over two hundred and eight million, which is good 303 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: news for teams. Now, the question is how do you 304 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: spend that money? If you're the Arizona Cardinals, who according 305 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: to over thecap dot Com, have thousands of dollars under 306 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: the cap. But we know you can find money very 307 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: quickly with some restructuring. Offensive priorities for you, m J. 308 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: As far as free agents, of those ten that are 309 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents, bringing back it's your priority, Star Wars 310 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: James Conner. You know, according to John Clayton, he thinks, 311 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe the market for the free agents 312 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: now Londard four nets out there, you've got Cordell Patterson, 313 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon, Chase Edmonds, he thinks is right around six million. 314 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to happen. Obviously Connor 315 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: is going to be twenty seven, I want to say, 316 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: so maybe a two year or three year deal, hopefully 317 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: somewhere in the average there, so he'd be my number 318 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: one priority. And then zach Ertz. You know, obviously three 319 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: tight ends were tagged, so I gotta think he's gonna 320 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: be at one at the top of the list. Tight 321 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: ends available in free agency. He said all the right things, 322 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: but we know it's a business. And then I want 323 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: to try to bring back Max Williams on a one 324 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: year deal if he's active on game day, you know, 325 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: maybe a million and a a half, and then he can 326 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: make fifty sixty thousand a game to be active. And 327 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: I think that they missed him in then eleven personnel. 328 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: So you'd have your two tight ends. And we know 329 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: the draft is deep at tight end, so you can 330 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: probably get one in the mid round. So that would 331 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: be my priorities, at least on offense. Connor will be 332 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: twenty seven in May. Last Cardinals running back who turned 333 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: twenty seven going into his fourth season, David Johnson. I'm 334 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: not expecting to arn a David Johnson contract extended to 335 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: James Connor. But the value within this offense. Was it 336 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: just a one year hit or did they find something 337 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: in James Connor? And if it's not Connor, then what 338 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: do you do at the running back position because Chase 339 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: Emmons is also expected to hit the free agent market. Well, yeah, 340 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: this is why Steve Kime gets paid the big box. 341 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I want them to bring back James Connor. 342 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I think they very much want to have James Connor here. 343 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: I think James Connor really wants to be here. But 344 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: what does that mean. You know, it does not mean 345 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: obviously you're going to give him ten million dollars other 346 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: one because he'd be signed by now if that was 347 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: the case. I think they're going to be very careful 348 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: about any free agent that they might resign or sign 349 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: off the street in terms of what kind of deals, 350 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: in part because of what you were just saying, which 351 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: is you you have less money under the cap. And yes, 352 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: you're right, you can find money whenever you want it, 353 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: but you would need to find the money to do that, 354 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and if you're doing that, there's always a cost involved 355 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: at some point, may not be this year, but it 356 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: might be a couple of years from now or whatever 357 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: it might be. And you do need to keep in 358 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: mind what may or may not happen with Kyler Murray 359 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: with his contract because his cap number, you could lower 360 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: it if you gave him an extension, but again he's 361 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: gonna have bigger cap numbers later. I mean, one of 362 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: the things that we talk about the cap a lot 363 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: of times is I mean Patrick Mahomes had a lower 364 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: salary cap number than Kyler Murray this past year, but 365 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: that's because you played with it. Well, that's not going 366 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: to be a case this year. So again it's a 367 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: year to year thing getting back to the original thing. 368 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: Though for me with James Connor, I absolutely think they're 369 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: gonna want to get them back, but I think there's 370 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna be a number in their head of what they 371 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: can do in terms of how they can structure it, 372 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: and they'll probably say, James, we really want you, but 373 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: this is what we're looking at, and if you find 374 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: something else better that you want to take, we understand that, 375 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: but this is where we're going to come from. That's 376 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: usually how they handle these things. And I don't think 377 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: it would be any hard feelings necessarily anywhere, but that's 378 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: kind of how they are going to approach it. It 379 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: is my guess it was perhaps MJ the best free 380 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: agent pick up as far as what was paid and 381 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: the results, the production that you got out of James Connor, 382 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: as far as the eighteen total touchdowns, leaving the team 383 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: in scrimmage yards, leaving the team in rushing yards. So yes, 384 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: he is going to be rewarded, and he should be rewarded. 385 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: The question, to Darren's point is all right, how much 386 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: and then how much of the Cardinals willing to spend? Well, 387 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, the grass hasn't always green at another side, 388 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: and we watched Kingsbury since he's been here, he likes 389 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: to ride their hot hand. I mean that's the reason 390 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: why I went on got Kenyan Drake. He wasn't as 391 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: successful in the second half. And then yes, last year 392 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: they went with the one two punch. So and I 393 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: think I think he could be the bell cow in 394 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: this offense. Now, clearly he was dealing with some rib 395 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: injuries towards the end of the year, wasn't you know. 396 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: I give him credit for playing in that playoff game, 397 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: but he wasn't very effective like a lot of other guys. 398 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: So and I think if you look at it, eighteen 399 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: to nineteen carries and maybe five to seven targets in 400 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the passing game, I think he could be your bell cow. 401 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: But you also have to have some backup behind him, 402 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: whether that's email Benjamin, very similar to Chase. Run between 403 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: the tackles. They got one out and got Jalen's, Samuel's 404 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: he's got forty five starts, he's got good size six 405 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: feet about two hundred and five pounds, and then you 406 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: got Jonathan Award. And then of course you can always 407 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: bring in an undrafted free agent or take a flyer 408 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: on a guy in a late round. Cardinals do have 409 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: backups as far as running backs, at least options when 410 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: it comes to the tight end position. Zach Ertz, Max Williams, 411 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Darrel Daniels, Demitris Harris. Their top four all scheduled to 412 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: become unrestricted free agents next week before the season, or 413 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: I should say before free agency began. We actually had 414 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: a chance to hear from both James Connor and zach 415 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Ertz on their upcoming free agency status. You know, just 416 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: what easy opportunity they gave me, you know, and just 417 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: relationships I'll built there. You know, we'd love to continue 418 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: out there. But yeah, free agents, so I'm excited to 419 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: see what's next. You know, a man of faith, so 420 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: I know it all work out for me. I've loved 421 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: my time here in Arizona. I would love the opportunity 422 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: to continue here. There's a lot of things out of 423 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: my control. We got a lot of good players at 424 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: our free agents as well, so it may not be 425 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: even up to me, but I still feel like we 426 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: have unfinished business as a team. I would love to 427 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: be a part of it. Ertz was very productive in 428 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: his eleven games. Now how much of that was because 429 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: everything was open and he found a lot of space, 430 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: or how much it was because DeAndre Hopkins wasn't on 431 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: the field and Kyle Murray relied a lot on zach 432 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: Ertz as far as targeting him as opposed to someone else. 433 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it really matters. You know, 434 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: somebody's got to catch the passes, and if zach Ertz 435 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: is that guy, that's great. Now if you're if you're 436 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: bringing it up in the context of, you know, if 437 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: everybody's healthy and DeAndre Hopkins is out there, do you 438 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: want to pay a lot to zach Ertz because he 439 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: might not get the ball as much? You know, I 440 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: think if you have zach Ertz, it relieves a little 441 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: bit of the pressure on trying to find high end receivers. 442 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna happen with Christian Kirk. I 443 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: don't I'm guessing you probably don't bring back aj Green, 444 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: but we'll see. But if zach Ertz is around, okay, 445 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: maybe having that number two whatever receiver that you added 446 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and Rondale Moore changes how you might look 447 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: at that a little bit. I don't know, you know, 448 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how again they approach not 449 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: only tight end, but the other receiver spot and what 450 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: direction they might want to go on free agency. You know, 451 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: if they have in the back of their minds we 452 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: might want to draft some guy, because I do think 453 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: ultimately it's going to lend itself to like what kind 454 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: of money we are willing to spend for a zach 455 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: Ertz or a Max Williams. I mean, that's I think 456 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: there's I don't think there's anybody who wouldn't mind having 457 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: both those tight ends on the roster. I just I 458 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: wonder if that's going to be possible. Now. Perhaps MJ's right, 459 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: and because Max Williams has been hurt and he's coming 460 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: off the ACL tear, that you know you can get 461 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: him to work on a one year deal. He may 462 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: be in that situation, but you don't know. And with 463 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: all these tight ends being scooped up by franchise tags, 464 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: that only not only raises the profile of zach Ertz 465 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: is a potential target, but it might with Max Williams, 466 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: who is playing excellent football before he got hurt. Ertz 467 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: turns thirty two in November. Williams will turn twenty eight 468 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: next month. And you don't want to hope, but you 469 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: you you don't forecast injuries happening. And my concern is 470 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: what this offense looked like when it did not have 471 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins on the field. It's a rarity that de 472 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: hop misses games, but he did. He missed seven. So 473 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: all right, what are your plans if you don't have 474 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: your number one wide up that became zach Ertz toward 475 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: down the stretch it should have been in my opinion, 476 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: Aj Green, it was not. It became zach Ertz. So 477 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: if you don't, you know, de hop is healthy, But 478 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: if it's not, what's this plan? As far as target 479 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray can throw too? Well, I would assume 480 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: that they need to find a number two receiver and 481 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: whether that's in free agency. And again, a lot of 482 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: these guys are coming off A Cell's Michael Gallup Godwin. 483 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: They could get franchised. You know, I like Marquez VAL's scandaling. 484 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a twenty seven years old. The draft 485 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: is deep at wide receiver. You know, it's deep at corner. 486 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: So I think we if we just file and connect 487 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: the dots, whatever they do in free agency will likely 488 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: if they can check a couple of these boxes, retain 489 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: some players and then go And it wouldn't surprise me 490 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: if they went after a veteran corner on a one 491 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: year deal and still draft at one. I mean, you've 492 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: got to double up there. I mean, so you got 493 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: to make sure and then what do they do with 494 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: the two guard spots? I mean, it's Pew going to 495 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: be the guy, and you know, what's what's the latest 496 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: with the right guard? You know, justin Murray's making two million, 497 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: is he going to be on the roster again? He's 498 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: been a backup Josh Jones. So and again there's a 499 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: lot of good linemen into this draft. So I think 500 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: we got to just focus on what happens first and 501 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: then see what happens on the second wave. You bring 502 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: back zach Ertz, Max Williams, James Condrey, bring those three back. 503 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't go out and spend big money on 504 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: a number two wide receiver. You find somebody maybe in 505 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: that second or third wave, but it's not one of 506 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: the marquee names that potentially could hit the market. Episode 507 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: twenty six of the Day Pash Podcast featuring PAC twelve 508 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: Commissioner George Pliokov, is available now wherever you get your 509 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: podcasts get the latest or for the latest updates on 510 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: the Day Pash podcast, follow along on Twitter at Pash pod. 511 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: We've had halftime here on the Cardinals Red Sea Report, 512 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: presented by Seat Geek Get your seats and a seats, 513 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: Greg Rayel, Luke, Darren Erman, and Mike Jarecki. When we 514 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: come back, priorities on defense with respects to free agency, 515 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: one name stands above the rest. We'll go to that 516 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: next Here on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. Second or 517 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: five of the eight shotgun formation again, three receivers, two love, 518 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: one run snapped, the garoppolo drops back, the drawl and 519 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: trouble steps up and gets hit and down he goes. 520 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones was leading the way. They give Chandler Jones 521 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: a full sack. He's the record holder. Chandler Jones the 522 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: all time sack king for the Arizona Cardinals. You should 523 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: have seen the locker room when we announced that they 524 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: went crazy. Now the all time sack leader in history 525 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: there from the Cardinal. He's the guy brings joy every day. 526 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: You know, he's always smiling, he's always into it. And 527 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: what a phenomenal run he's had here five times in 528 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: six seasons Chandler Jones double digit sacks. Question is, well, 529 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: you have an opportunity at doing it for a sixth time, 530 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: meaning a seventh season. We are in a Cardinals uniform 531 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: as we welcome you back here to the Cardinal's Red 532 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: Sea Report presented by zee Kiek. Get your seats in 533 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: a seats for me. Chandler Jones the most intriguing of 534 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: the twenty one unrestricted free agents. MG and I have 535 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: gone back and forth as far as what to do 536 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: with the former Syracuse or A Lunda not former the 537 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: Syracuse alump, and that's part of my bias perhaps, But Darren, 538 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: I turn to you because if you don't all right, 539 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: maybe a large partner, if you don't bring back Chandler Jones, 540 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: and this is my fear, you have to do something 541 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: because Marcus Golden, Devon Kannard, Victor d mccagee, Dennis Gardeck, 542 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: that is not enough as far as a pass rush 543 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback and then also helping the back end. 544 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: You are correct in that analysis, but again you're you're 545 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: you're balancing some different stuff. I understand where people are 546 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: coming from who say you want to keep Chandler Jones. 547 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't disagree with that, you know, and 548 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: I think, down deep, I think the Cardinals would like 549 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: to keep Chandler Jones. But just like we were talking 550 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: about James Connor, I think there's a monetary limit that 551 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: they have and that thought process. This feels like it's 552 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: played out a lot like Patrick Peterson did a year ago, 553 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: which is you want to have the veteran guy back. 554 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: He's not at the peak of his career anymore, but 555 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: he's still producing. How much do you see him being 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: worth and how much is that going to be compared 557 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: to I mean, the problem the Cardinals have is that 558 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones is going to be the number one pass 559 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: rusher available on the market, and according to the couple 560 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: of lists that I saw, he's fifth or sixth best 561 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: player period available in a free agent market that a 562 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: lot of people are saying isn't quite as robust as 563 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: maybe it has been in years past. So he's going 564 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: to get money and he's going to get an offer. 565 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know this for a fact. 566 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: You never know what could happen. But as we go 567 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: into this stretch run here before free agency, it sure 568 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: feels like Chandler Jones is going to get an offer 569 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: elsewhere that he can't get here. It hasn't gotten here. 570 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: That'll probably be moving on and then and then you're 571 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: going to have to deal with what you were just 572 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: talking about. But that was going to come at some point, 573 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: whether it was this year or whenever Chandler Jones was done, 574 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 1: because it is hard to find guys like that. I mean, 575 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: let's look at the past rush situation for this team 576 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: before Chandler they traded for Chandler Jones in twenty sixteen. 577 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was piecemeal. They they they 578 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: struck gold with John Abraham for a year and they 579 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: did what they could with uh, you know, some pieces 580 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: here and there. But if I recall correctly, I'm trying 581 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: to remember who, I mean, who is their best outside 582 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: pass rusher when they were thirteen and three and twenty fifteen, 583 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm drawing a blank. Dwight Fraany. They had to signed 584 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: Dre Fraanye five games into the season, you know. I 585 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: mean the problem is is everybody says, well, you needed 586 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: a t J. Watt or you know, a Khalil Mack. Well, no, duh. 587 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: But finding those guys, where did those guys come from? 588 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: T J. Watt a little bit different, But I mean 589 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa was the number two pick in the draft, 590 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: Clie Mac was the top five. I mean, you got 591 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: a stink, and then you got to be high in 592 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: the draft. And then you've got to hope you already 593 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: have your quarterback so that you can afford to take 594 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: a pass rusher that high. That's that's what you're you're 595 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: stuck with. And and so you're hoping that at some point, 596 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: who knows, at twenty three, I mean that's later than 597 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: when Chandler Jones went in the first round, when he 598 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: was picked in the first round. But in that area, 599 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, you start getting maybe you maybe you hit 600 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: a diamond in the rouff. And then let's fact the 601 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: other thing too, is as good as Chandler Jones was 602 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher in New England, nobody thought he 603 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: was going to be as good as he ended up 604 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: being in Arizona. I mean, he took his game to 605 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: another level as a pass rusher and has been great. 606 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: So again, I think they're just gonna they're gonna have 607 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 1: to obviously look other places. I think they're gonna need 608 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: to invest in the draft would not shock me if 609 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: it was a first round pick, depending on who's on 610 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: the board, and you need to get younger there, and yeah, 611 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: they need to find somebody. But I understand also where 612 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: they're coming from, where you're leary about giving a thirty 613 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: two year old player twenty million dollars a year for 614 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: four years. I get that. Yeah, according to Pro Football Focus, 615 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: he's he's projected to get two years, sixteen point seven 616 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: twenty four guarantee close to thirty four million. So somebody's 617 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: going to pay him. But see if that's I think 618 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: I would pay that if that's what he'd be well, 619 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: and so maybe maybe the door is open. I think 620 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: he's going to get more money than that or more years, 621 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: I think. So is it a Calais Campbell situation to 622 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: where he sees what's available, comes back to the Cardinals 623 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: and says, hey, this is what i've got, do you 624 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: want to match? Or because he did ask for a trade, 625 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: and these conversations happen last offseason. Is that door closed 626 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: in his mind? I need to go somewhere else. Well, 627 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: Klais was thirty, he won, and he wanted to stay here, 628 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: but obviously they offered four sixty and he never saw 629 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: that fourth season and he knew that going in, and 630 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: then he gets traded to the Ravens and he's a 631 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: free agent this year. Yeah, I think we're having a 632 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: different conversation. If Chandler Jones was more consistent last year 633 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: he flashed early on. Now, again, sacks could be misleading. 634 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: Hurry's pressure is the force, fumbles, the fumble recoveries. But 635 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, you look at he's played in twenty games 636 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: in the last two years and he has eleven and 637 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: a half sacks. I think if he would have continued 638 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: to rack up sacks, they would have maybe possibly tried 639 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: to extend him during the season, but it was too 640 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: much inconsistency. And again, thirty two years old. Yes, he's 641 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: got at least three good years left in him. But 642 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: I agree with Darren. I do think he's gonna get paid, 643 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: whether it's here or somewhere else. Certainly a topic of 644 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: conversation at the scouting combine. General manager Steve Kim on 645 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, he's one of the twenty one that we 646 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: would obviously like to have back. You know, I think 647 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: we all know that market dictates that, and we'll have, 648 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, certainly conversations with his represented as well. Again, 649 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: those conversations could be happening as we speak. Chandler Jones 650 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: will know what his market is next week when free 651 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: agency begins. The Cardinals also need to address and we've 652 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of touched on it already, but the cornerback position, 653 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: something Kingsbury brought up last week in Indianapolis. I think 654 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: we all feel we need to add some pieces there. 655 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Marco as a rookie, I thought got better and did 656 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: a nice job. But Byron as a guy, we'd like 657 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: to move around, play inside, play outside, and so you'd 658 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: like to find a couple more pieces that you feel 659 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: good about going on the next year. Is that in 660 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: free agency? Is that in the draft? Is that bringing 661 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: back a Robert Alford and Antonio Hamilton or maybe a 662 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: combination of all three options? Well, I think it would 663 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: have to be a combination of all three. Well maybe 664 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: not all three, but at least two of those. I mean, 665 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: you're you're sitting there right now. You like some of 666 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: the progress Marco Wilson had, and I thought he was 667 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: solid for a chunk of the season. I think I 668 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: think his play dropped a little late in the season. 669 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, you made the point on some of the 670 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: other things that we've been doing, Craig that Robert Alford 671 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: was really good, pretty solid when he was playing, and 672 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: it hurt them badly when he got hurt. And I 673 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: agree with that for a number of reasons, not just 674 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: the way Robert Alford was playing, but just the ability 675 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: to kind of move people around. By Murphy was another 676 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: guy who he started. I thought he had a chance 677 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: to be Pro Bowl last year and he struggled. I 678 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: thought down the stretch a little bit. Now, there's lots 679 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: of things that go into that pass rush, just where 680 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: the team was in generalities. But cornerback is another position 681 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: where again, if you we've all been around Steve Khin 682 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. I've covered Steve khib his entire 683 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: career back from you know, when he was just a scout. 684 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: He believes, you know, the main positions that are hard 685 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: to find. The guys that do it really well are quarterback, 686 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: left tackle, edge rusher, and cornerback, and so that's the 687 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: place where I think there's a possibility of the first 688 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: round going And okay, all right, I just got thrown off. 689 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: That's a kind of a big one and I need 690 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: to double check the Yes, there is a blue check 691 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: mark next to the name of one ESPN NFL insider, 692 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter. The Seattle Seahawks and Denver Broncos have agreed 693 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: to terms for a deal involving Russell Wilson. Sources tell 694 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: ESPN trade is pending the physical and obviously Wilson's approval. 695 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos were in the market for a quarterback. 696 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: Their names had been or He, they had been attached 697 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers, and now apparently they have landed with 698 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Well. The immediate reaction here on the Cardinals 699 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: Red Sea report presented by SeatGeek get your seats in 700 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: a seats is an obvious one. Russell Wilson's out of 701 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: the division and that certainly helps the Arizona Cardinals. And 702 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: last I checked, who do they have? Geno Smith? Now 703 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: they're probably we're gonna work the phones. I mean, Jimmy 704 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: Garoppolo's out there. But this is the domino effect of 705 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers staying in Green Bay. And it needs to 706 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: be mentioned that the Cardinals do visit the Broncos this 707 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 1: upcoming season, so you're not quite away from not quite 708 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: done with Russell Wilson yet. But that's one that I 709 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: was not expecting here on this Tuesday. You know, first 710 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: of all, let's kind of make you think the Broncos 711 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: were sitting there hoping for Aaron Rodgers, and but they 712 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: obviously worked hard on a backup plan that I'll be honest, 713 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: did not see that happening. I thought all the main 714 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks were going to stay where they are right now, 715 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: and I'm wrong. More from Adam Schefter again, this is 716 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: just coming down here, Russell Wilson going to the Denver Broncos. 717 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: And according to Schefter, this deal had nothing to do 718 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers's decision to return to Green Bay. Apparently 719 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: the Seahawks and Broncos have been working on this for 720 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: the past a couple of weeks. So wow, I don't 721 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: buy that. Wow. All right, Okay, then, so Aaron Rodgers 722 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: decides to stay in Green Bay, Russell Wilson is on 723 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: his way to Denver. According to Adam schefter again, this 724 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: is again pending a pending his approval because he does 725 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: have a no trade in and obviously pending physical as well. 726 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: But the big news here on this Tuesday is not 727 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers remaining in Green Bay. It's Russell Wilson going 728 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: to the Denver Broncos about that. And heck, we're not 729 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: even in the afternoon yet on this Tuesday, Oh boy. 730 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: Check out Season one of Cardinal's Folk Tales on your 731 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: official YouTube channel, YouTube dot com. Slash as Cardinals. Get 732 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: the story behind the stories from several remarkable moments and 733 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: Cardinal's history. That's Cardinal's Folk Tale is available at YouTube 734 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: dot com slash as Cardinals. Original audio podcasts also available 735 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: by searching Cardinal's Folk Tales. Wherever you get your podcasts. 736 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: It is the Cardinals Red Sea Report, presented by SeatGeek 737 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: get your seats in a seat, Craig Reel, Luke, Darren Urban, 738 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki here on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. 739 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: Are you ready for the news? Yes? J Watt signed 740 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. He really did. Yes for me and 741 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals did. After the signing of J. J. Watt 742 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: just over a year ago, March first, twenty twenty one. 743 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: That's was the big move for the Arizona Cardinals, and 744 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: you can argue one of the bigger moves in the 745 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: entire National Football League last off season. Well fast forward 746 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: one year, the biggest move of this off season, according 747 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: to now several reports Adams after the first to report, 748 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson traded to the Denver Broncos for a large 749 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: hall of draft picks. Don't know all of the details, 750 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: but Russell Wilson is out of the division. Earlier Aaron 751 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: Rodgers deciding to remain in Green Bay. So all right, 752 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: you don't have Aaron Rodgers out of the conference, but 753 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: you do have Russell Wilson out of the division. As 754 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier here on the Cardinals Red Seat Report presented, 755 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: buy seat, keet, get your seats in a seat. The 756 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals do play at the Broncos this upcoming season, so 757 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: at least one more appearance, one more game against Russell 758 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: Wilson m J. But yeah, this is this is quite 759 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: the story across the National Football League. Wow, I mean, 760 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean free agency happy even started yet, and I 761 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: know all these trades cannot be official. He actually had 762 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: a trade clause and he's got to take a physical. 763 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: So everything will become once a league years starts. But 764 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, you look in San Francisco, they have a quarterback. 765 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: You know, the Rams have a quarterback. I mean there's 766 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: John Snyder's a smart guy, and you know Pete Carrol's 767 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: gotting up there in age. So you just wonder what 768 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: they have behind door number two, Like, what are they 769 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: going to do? Because Geno Smith, he's a free agent. 770 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: He is a free free agent, and he he got 771 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: a duy any offseason, but I think they still like 772 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: to bring him back. But that's for a backup job. 773 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: I don't have the draft order in front of me, 774 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: But the Denver Broncos finished seven and ten? Did they 775 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: give a first round draft pick meeting? Now they have 776 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: a top ten pick, top fifteen pick, And now, all 777 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: of a sudden, in this year's draft, the Seahawks look 778 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: at the quarterback, not in free agency, but one of 779 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: these younger quarterbacks. Now, it's not supposedly a great quarterback 780 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: draft class, but we've tend to say that every year, 781 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: and he needs you get closer to the draft, all 782 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden is hey, we want that guy, and 783 00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: that becomes our franchise quarterback. There's so many fascinating parts this. 784 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I mean, obviously Russell wanted to leave. 785 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all knew that, um, but 786 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: to but to get to this point, um yeah, I 787 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: mean you can. You can. You can go ahead and 788 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: draft a guy, but you don't know what that guy's 789 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: going to be. And there's a lot of people that 790 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: have big questions over the top end of the quarterback 791 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: draft this year. I do expect them to have a 792 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: first round pick, which they did not have before. They 793 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: have the ninth overall pick, so I mean, and that's 794 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: where many people think the first quarterback off the board 795 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: might be, and that and that's very possible. It's just 796 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: it's it's rare in today's day and age when you 797 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: have a franchise quarterback or player and have the team 798 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: essentially choose the coach over the player. And it feels 799 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: like that's kind of what's happened here. And there's nothing 800 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: wrong with that. Pete Carroll is a great as a 801 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: may and maybe it was time for Seattle to reset 802 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: and maybe they weren't going to be able to deal 803 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 1: with him and maybe see, this is the other thing 804 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: that people if I don't think this is just about 805 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wanting to leave, right, I mean, the Seahawks 806 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: know Russell Wilson and the health he's in and where 807 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: his career has headed better than anybody. Now, could you 808 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: could you have kept him even if he was unhappy? Sure? 809 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: But I mean if you're the Seahawks and you start 810 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: to say, okay, there's there's issues with his game as 811 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: he gets older and is get a little more beat up, 812 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: and we can get this huge haul right now, in 813 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: some ways, it's it's like we were just talking about 814 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: with free agents like Chandler Jones, if that's what ends 815 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: up happening. It isn't always necessarily about the season that's 816 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: about to be played. Sometimes it's about the season after 817 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: or the season after that. I mean, Craig, you know 818 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: it very well. MJ. You remember this too. The Sons 819 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: went through that with a Maristademeyer. Uh. They they tapped 820 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: out early on Amari Stademer and they were right on that. 821 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: Now they offered sixty one minixt game one Hunter million, 822 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: and then the Cardinals. The Cardinals that something like that 823 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: with Klais Campbell and they were wrong. So it's a 824 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: hit and miss things. But you wonder a little bit 825 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: about what the Seahawks think of Russell Wilson beyond the 826 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: fact that he just wanted to move on. He's getting older, 827 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: coming off that finger surgery. He did not quite look himself. 828 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: Drew Locke going to Seattle, Adam Schefter, Tom Pelliser reporting 829 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: that part of that trade. So the Seahawks now have 830 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback Drew Locke. Now is that the quarterback the 831 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals will face twice next season? Wowt's so. How about 832 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: Darren Urban bringing it with breaking news on this week's 833 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: edition of The Cardinals Red Sea Report. Twitter? Wow, this 834 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: is Darren. You're gonna join us next week for some 835 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: more started three. Yeah, well then everything's gonna happen. 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