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Speaker 1: here's your host, super Bowl forty eight champion, Robert Turbin. Yo,

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Speaker 1: what up? Everybody? Welcome to another edition another episode of

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Stories. Mirror in episode four. Now man, moving and growing, grooving.

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Speaker 1: We got a special guest on the show today. Man

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Speaker 1: always good to hear Steve Rabels man his voice. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know doing doing the highlights is amazing. But I

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Speaker 1: want to introduce our guests to the show today. Former

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Speaker 1: Seahawk University of Virginia graduate Ray Roberts. What's going on, boss?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Man? It's good to I love hearing uh

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Speaker 1: Rabel make those calls too, you know, right, guys that

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Speaker 1: are on the show, And like it's one thing it

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Speaker 1: shows you how long Rabel has been doing it, and

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Speaker 1: then the other thing is that you know, it says that,

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Speaker 1: he's good to be able to have a highlight here

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Speaker 1: and there. Now, I know, I know, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you played offensive line, so a lot of times you

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Speaker 1: know those highlights. You know what I'm saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: the office a line not getting the attention that they

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Speaker 1: probably deserve. You know, I want you to know, for me,

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Speaker 1: none of those highlights matter without y'all doing the thing upfront. Man.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I appreciate it. When my buddies

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Speaker 1: in Detroit we always had this thing with with say

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Speaker 1: like the thing that you got to embrace as an

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Speaker 1: can't imagine I'm playing in any other position because you

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Speaker 1: have to have that mentality that you're not chasing the

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Speaker 1: stardom or you're not trying to get the limelight or

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Speaker 1: the credit or whatever. You're just going out there to

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Speaker 1: do your job, man, like pound somebody in the face

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Speaker 1: and drive them in the dirt, you know, games and yards,

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Speaker 1: only time they're gonna call your names if they're like

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Speaker 1: false start number seventy. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? Though?

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Speaker 1: It's like you guys are only getting the attention when

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Speaker 1: there's something like negative pretty much like and I want

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about that that that in a second,

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Speaker 1: but I want all of our listeners to know for me,

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Speaker 1: first off, really appreciate everyone who subscribe, who's taking the

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Speaker 1: time to listen to these episodes. Man, we're continuing to

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Speaker 1: grow the goal of this show, Ray is, you know,

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Speaker 1: eventually to be able to move on from the zoom

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Speaker 1: a you know, invite the twelves to come out and

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Speaker 1: way that that's the vision that we have for this show,

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Speaker 1: to uh to build um and grow and Seahawks stories

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Speaker 1: is really all about, you know, the behind the scene

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Speaker 1: stories that you wouldn't be able to google, that you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to read in the media about you know,

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Speaker 1: your life and career, um, you know, as a Seahawk

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Speaker 1: once again, thanks for coming on the show. But I

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Speaker 1: do want to highlight that offensive line and attention thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of random. I don't have it

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Speaker 1: one on one basketball, but it will. But I'd rather

427
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Speaker 1: have it happened later. It's possible. You know then that

428
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: turbo is like, you better learn all the old man

429
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: tricks as much in your brain as you think, like,

430
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 1: oh I can still cross him over, I can still

431
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,479
Speaker 1: drop stuff and jump and do all that stuff. Yeah,

432
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: your mind will be saying one thing and your body

433
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: will be saying something totally different. But you have to learn,

434
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: like all those old man post moves. Come on now,

435
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: my little fade away jumper. When you're rustling with them,

436
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: you can't let them know that they're gaining strengths. So

437
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 1: you gotta be like the pension of twisting us grab

438
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff. I hear you know, but but

439
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: but I say that to say, like I believe you

440
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: when you say, like, man, you could dunk any kind

441
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: of way, you know what I mean, because for whatever reason, man,

442
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 1: you know we you know obviously like everybody, you know,

443
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 1: we get older and you know what I mean. Like

444
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: I got the highlight tape. I showed it to him

445
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: one time and he was like, that was you uncle

446
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: in high school. I'm like, yeah, like we are you

447
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: talking about? Man? So hey, I feel you. You know

448
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You don't gotta you don't gotta prove

449
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: nothing to me. Man, did you think about playing going

450
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: to basketball round at all? Uh? No, Man, I've always

451
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: known myself to be a football player. Man. My dad

452
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: coached basketball, which you know would be au right now,

453
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: But my dad used a coach like these wreck teams

454
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: where we had such good athletes in our in our

455
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: school and stuff to dudes that didn't make the basketball

456
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: team and stuff, my dad would take him and make

457
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: a wreck team out of them, and we travel all

458
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: over the all over the state, like, uh, playing other

459
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: wreck teams in basketball. And then it became a you.

460
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: So I always played for my dad, and then when

461
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: I got to like eleventh grade, the basketball dudes were like, dude,

462
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: like you gotta come play for the high school man,

463
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: Like like we could use you, you you know, like, and

464
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I just like playing for my dad,

465
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: like I'm a football dude, like and so uh so,

466
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: actually my tenth grade year, well, let me back up.

467
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: My ninth grade year, I was like, hey, we go

468
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: out and try this basketball day. And I went and

469
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: try it out. You know, it was bawling, and I

470
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: got cut. I didn't make the team. And so back

471
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: then you used to go up to the door and

472
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: they have all the dudes that made the team. You

473
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: want the paper. So I'm like going down the line like, okay, wait,

474
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: let me let me look one more time. And then

475
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, y'all, do y'all see my name

476
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: up here? And they're like, I'm like, son, maybe don't

477
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: see your name. I'm like, damn, like I got cut,

478
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: Like like how did I get cut from the basketball team.

479
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: And so then the next year, my junior year, I

480
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: mean my sophomore year, I walked up to the door

481
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Speaker 1: for the trial. So I was just like, yeah, I

482
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: don't even feel like playing. So I went back and

483
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: played for my dad. And then my junior year, I

484
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: went out for the high school team and then I

485
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: was all confidence, you know, two years in a row

486
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: playing basketball and all that kind of stuff. And then

487
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: and then when AAU first started, I was like on

488
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: our eight our first AAU team, and like going around

489
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: the area of region playing basketball. And then I started

490
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: getting you know, like scholarship offers for basketball. But I

491
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: love to contact of football. I wasn't gonna fool anybody

492
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: to think that I was, you know, basketball whatever. I

493
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: played it because my buddies played in a light plan.

494
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: But I just I like hitting people and I couldn't.

495
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't hit people on basketball, you know, so I

496
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: just never I never even entertained even that Virginia when

497
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Speaker 1: they asked me to my red shirt you to come

498
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: play basketball, I didn't really want to play, but I

499
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: told the head coaches Terry Hollers at the time, I said, hey,

500
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just give you five fouls, bro, like

501
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to after double double. Like That's what I

502
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: told him. But that's just my way to say, like, na, bro,

503
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: I'm playing football. That's all right. And uh but uh

504
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, like but I do like playing like I

505
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: did like playing up you know, you know, pick up basketball,

506
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: playing with the I would go and play with the

507
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: college team, like doing pick up games and stuff like that.

508
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: We had a lot of good basketball players on our

509
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Speaker 1: foot bolt team too, so um, we would always challenge

510
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: them and stuff. The only way they beat this because

511
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: they got dudes are like eight foot tall and stuff.

512
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: We didn't well, of course, and that's what they do

513
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, and I'm on a guard like their

514
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: seven foot center that ain't working. Yeah, ain't working well.

515
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned, man, you mentioned earlier that you know, your

516
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: pops came to visit you. You know, he said, listen,

517
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: you committed to the school all right, play left tackle.

518
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: So you decided from that moment forward you were gonna

519
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: be the best left tackle. You know this, this school

520
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 1: has ever seen you. Now. And so speaking of that,

521
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: you won the Jacob's Trophy two years in a row

522
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: during your time in Virginia, and you're an All American

523
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: your senior year. Talk about what those accolades meant to

524
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: you those times. Well, you know, I've never really paid

525
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: that much attention to him. I just I just as

526
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: an offensive line man. It was all about our whole unit,

527
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: like like everybody working together to make each other better.

528
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: And uh, and then even like our guys like uh,

529
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: on our our scout team, you know, like those dudes

530
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: like had to bring their best to make me better,

531
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: you know. And and then you know, I also had

532
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: the privilege of practice against Chris Slade, who was also

533
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: like a you know, a legend in the acc and

534
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: played like made one of the all decade teams for

535
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: the Patriots back in the day. And so hen I

536
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: used to go head to head a lot, and to

537
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: the point where sometimes they wouldn't let us practice against

538
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: each other because we go so hard. So when I

539
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: think about those things, I think about all the people

540
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: that that helped me get there, you know, to be

541
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: honest with you, almost flunked out of school, you know.

542
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: So like like even the the lady that helped me,

543
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, recapture my academic career, Like she takes part

544
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: of that, you know, because if it wasn't for that,

545
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to be there. Like this

546
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: is the god down, the truth Turbo. After my first

547
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: semester at the University of Virginia, Like, you know, I

548
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know what college was, I didn't know

549
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: how to manage my time. I didn't know, you know,

550
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: all these different things I had, like a like a

551
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: one point zero four or something like that. And uh,

552
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: and so I went to my my academic advice and

553
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: I was saying, yo, like this is not because I

554
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: can't do the work. I just don't know how to

555
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: organize my time to get the work done. And like

556
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: you can, you know, talk the nasts and those dudes

557
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: about my my organizational skills and even on time and

558
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um, but I said, I

559
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: can't go home. I say, I'll do anything, but I

560
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: can't go home. And she was like, like, well, we're

561
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: gonna put your on academic probation. So that means you

562
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: can't practice in the spring with the football team. You

563
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: can work out by yourself with the strength coach, can't

564
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: work out with the team, You can't practice with the team,

565
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. And so and so they found

566
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Speaker 1: this lady who helped me just learn how to break

567
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: down my assignments and my readings and when to start

568
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: my papers and all that kind of stuff. And then

569
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: then I was like a three point old student from

570
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: that point on. So like, even if it wasn't for

571
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: that piece, none of the All American accolades and all

572
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: that stuff would have ever happened, and it may have

573
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: happened somewhere else, but not that, not at UVA, because

574
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I would have been there. So like, when I think

575
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: about those those things, I think about all the people

576
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: that were part of the journey to get me there,

577
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: you know. So but it was good to see that

578
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: your hard work, you know, pays off. Like I, like,

579
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the best offensive linement in the

580
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: entire country. And I will say that like my last year,

581
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: like arguably there was like uh, Bob Whitfield at Stanford

582
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: and myself at Virginia, and then probably every now and

583
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: again it would be Leon Sarci from Miami or Eugene

584
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Chong for Virginia Tech. But usually me and Bob were

585
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: considered the top two tackles in the entire country. So

586
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: that was a pretty cool thing, you know, been a

587
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: guy that came into defense, got moved the offense, uh,

588
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, and had to had to like get my

589
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: mind right to do all that stuff. And then with

590
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the Jacob's Blocking Trophy at the time, I was only

591
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: the second person ever to win it two times in

592
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: a row or to win it twice period. Uh and uh,

593
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: And so that was a big deal. Because that trophy

594
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: is not a media one. That's one is voted on

595
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: by the coaches. And so now that's when you know

596
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: that you've been putting into work because these dudes are

597
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: watching film and game plan and all that stuff. They're

598
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: not going by whatever hype the media machine has. And

599
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: and so that's that trope I hold like really close

600
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: and dear to me because, uh, that means more to

601
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: me than than the All American one, because the All

602
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: American one, all those people didn't see me play. You

603
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're voting offer like who should

604
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: this guy be? And what do you know about that guy?

605
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: And that, you know, all this reputation stuff. But the

606
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: Jacobs Blocking trophy, those dudes that have seen me play,

607
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: they've watched the film, they've had the game plan for me,

608
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: they've had to scout me and all those kinds of

609
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: things that they knew what I was capable of and

610
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: what I really truly was as a player. So that

611
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: was kind of a big deal. Yeah, no, that's amazing, man.

612
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Anytime you know, you get voted high in terms of

613
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, buy your peers and anything, man, it just

614
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: it means a lot more. Man. So you know, you

615
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: went to UVA, and I can relate to to what

616
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: you went through, man, especially with the academic portion. My

617
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: true freshman year, I was actually was injured. I got

618
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: I got hurt. Was the first time I've ever been

619
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: hurt in my entire life, you know, so I didn't

620
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: even know how to I mean, you know, aside from

621
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: like learning how to handle like a college education, and

622
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to handle the first

623
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: time ever having surgery and like going through the rehab

624
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: process and stuff like that. So if you can imagine, academically,

625
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: my freshman year was was not great, you know, and

626
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: then and then and followed that up with the not

627
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: so great sophomore year either to the point where I

628
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: had to go sit down and talk to the dean,

629
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, and then uh, then I was able to

630
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: get it turned around with the help of uh my

631
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: four year or twotor Alison Noble, who all shout out

632
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: on this episode because you know, she was you know,

633
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: she helped me becoming uh not only you know, a

634
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: three point zero, but you know, academic, the hunters and

635
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: everything like that. So uh, pretty relatable right there. Man.

636
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: So you you have your for your career, uh at

637
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Uva and you get drafted to the Seahawks tenth over.

638
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: I didn't realized you were a top ten pick. You

639
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: know I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, membership

640
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: in the draft. So I got to ask you about

641
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: the job because the draft is like, you know, it's

642
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: an intricate theme, you know what I mean, Because like

643
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I just remember the process. For me, I was a

644
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, but I thought I was going in

645
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: the second, like no doubt. And if I wasn't going

646
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: to go in the second, it was like, okay, right,

647
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going in the third, like without a doubt.

648
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: There's no way possible I'm getting past the third round.

649
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: And regardless of where you're picked, whether you're top five,

650
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: top ten, first round, there you know, there's a space

651
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, expectation, you know what I mean.

652
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: So did you expect to go tenth to to Seattle

653
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: or or did you expect it maybe even the earlier

654
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: somewhere else or even later perhaps, But honestly, I thought

655
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna go higher than that. Um when I

656
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: went to the NFL combine. Uh as soon as we

657
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, the offensive limanate the first one to arrive

658
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: to do the work couts and things. At least back

659
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: then we were. And uh, as soon as I got

660
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: to the hotel, all the guys are getting off the bus.

661
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: We're coming from that different you know, flights and things.

662
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: We're all in the same bus. Get now, and there's

663
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: this dude with the Indianapolis Colts holding this sign up

664
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: for Ray Roberts. And so of course I called everyone's

665
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: attention because they had the first two picks in the

666
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: draft that year, had the number one pick and a

667
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: number two pick. Like dangn Like we just landed in

668
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: the Colts on the talk to Ray already, and so

669
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I go do this interview with the Colts and uh.

670
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: And so then in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, like, well, man,

671
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: that's a chance like that I could be like one

672
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: of the top two picks in the draft. Going into it, though,

673
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: you knew that Steve Ventman, the defensive lineman for the

674
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: University of Washington, dude should have won the hyper Trophy

675
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: as a defensive linement. He was that dominant. Uh knew

676
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: he was gonna be the first number one pick. So

677
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: it was pretty much two and then on because that

678
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: dude was gonna. He was gonna. He was the most

679
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: dominant player in college football at that time. Just an

680
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: amazing player. And so so then what to the combines tested?

681
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, to combine, I didn't do. I didn't

682
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: do as well as I wanted to do. But coming

683
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: up against on the draft day that morning, I had

684
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: like two different calls. One was then Naples Coats and

685
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, like, if we go offense with

686
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: the number two pick, we're gonna draft you at number two.

687
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: If we go defense, we're gonna draft Quintin choreat linebacker

688
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: from Texas and m and uh. And I'm like, oh, okay,

689
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: like like what do you want me to argue? Right?

690
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Want me to disagree with you? Like you know, I'm like,

691
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: uh right, Like you know, I'm like I didn't know

692
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: what to do. Like you know, back then, I had

693
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the little landlines. We didn't have all the cell phones

694
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. The phone up and call my agent who

695
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: was on his way to my apartment, and I'm like, yo, dude,

696
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: I just got this call from the from the Colts

697
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: and this is what they said. And he's like, oh man,

698
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Like when I get there, I'll get on

699
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: the phone with him, blah blah blah. And so then

700
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: he gets there and we get another call and it

701
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: was the Dallas Cowboys, and the Cowboys had fifteenth pick

702
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: and the seventeenth pick in the draft. And they said

703
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: they had two questions. They said they you know, they

704
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: said one, anytime someone calls you, you know, to draft

705
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: you before our pick, we need to talk to him

706
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: because we want to try to trade up to get you.

707
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: And then and then the second part was, uh, do

708
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: you mind if we have someone, you know come watch

709
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: the draft with you? So I'm thinking, like I'm in Charlottesville, Virginia,

710
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: the draft is happening in like three hours, Like who's

711
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna be here, Like someone's gonna automatically come from Dallas

712
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: to get here. And so my agents like, oh, yeah,

713
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: that's no problem, honestly, God Turbot. As soon as we

714
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: hung the phone up, boom boom, boom boom, dude knocked

715
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: on the door. He's getting in the park about the

716
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: whole time, just waiting to see if he's gonna be

717
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: able to watch the draft with us. And so wow,

718
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: this dude comes in and he has this briefcase and

719
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: he and he says, hey, okay, so if someone calls

720
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: you and before our pick, I need to talk to

721
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: him blah blah blah blah blah. And then uh and

722
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: then he's like, you know, here's some other things to

723
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: think about. We have like this contract already written up

724
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: that you know, we tried. Our guys agreed to the

725
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: contract before we draft him, and all this stuff from

726
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: my agents like looking through all that stuff. And and

727
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how the morning started. And so

728
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: then so then the draft starts, and then it seems

729
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: more likely they're gonna take Quentin koreyall with a number

730
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: two pick. So then I knew I was gonna be

731
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: somewhere in the top ten because Atlanta need an offensive lineman.

732
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: I think uh, Cleveland was looking for officer the line

733
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and so um. And so then we started

734
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: getting the calls from the Seahawks and the Seahawks for

735
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: like saying like hey, like, if you're there at number ten,

736
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna take you. What do you think about the weather?

737
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Do you have an umbrella? Like all the kind of

738
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: Seahawks Seahawks and stuff, And then they and then they

739
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: hit me with the we want to do. Ah, want

740
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: you to agree to this contract before you before we

741
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: draft him, and somewhere like okay, what are the terms.

742
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we're gonna take an average of like

743
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: these the players above you and all this other kind

744
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: of stuff, but we're not gonna include if a quarterbacks

745
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: get drafted. We're not gonna include the quarterback because every

746
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Stalari it's gonna be different. And I'm like, nah, no,

747
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: if a quarterback goes before, that's good for me, you

748
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So like, na, we're not gonna

749
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: agree to that one. And so then all of a

750
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: sudden they go, okay, well we'll talk to you later.

751
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: And so then I'm looking at my age and like,

752
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: oh man, I man just messed that one up. Like

753
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: that didn't sound like we're still gonna draft you talk.

754
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: And then about two picks later I could the dude

755
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: was carrying a card up to the commissioner and he

756
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: repeats your name from the card and gives it to

757
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: the commissioner, and everybody in my house was like doing

758
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: their little party thing and drinking. I was right up

759
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: to the phone, I mean to the team to have

760
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: my ear right up to that mine, and I heard

761
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: him say Ray Roberts, So I knew that I was

762
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: about to get drafted, and and so then I just

763
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: sat back down like real quiet, and I just had

764
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: my head down. And then they were like with the

765
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: tenth pick. See also like offen the top of you rest,

766
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Virginia Ray Roberts. And then like our whole place just

767
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: went just went nuts. Wait a minute. So so so

768
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: so because first of all, like I mean, obviously you

769
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: getting drafted. There's a lot going on. But there's a

770
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: lot going on right now. I'm trying to figure out, like,

771
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: like what happened with the Is that even legal? Yea,

772
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the Dallas guy to even be there like that, Like,

773
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's legal a lot, but I

774
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: will say this that my mom and my girlfriend had

775
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: girlfriend's parents had cooked like all this food that joker

776
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: ate everything. It was just like, come on, what's up?

777
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: He was like, Hey, do you only mind if I

778
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: had some of this food, like thinking like doggy bags

779
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: and everything. My mom was like, hey hold on, baby,

780
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: like we had we had a long day to go.

781
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: You can't take all the food. Oh man. Yeah, I

782
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it was legal or not. Like when

783
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: they called. That's why I refer to my agent. I'm

784
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: just like, hey, dude, like can we do this? And

785
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, so what And so then I'm on

786
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: the phone like yeah, like whatever, hating the phone up Boom.

787
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Did they try to call him make the trade? Yeah,

788
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: they were trying to trade with teams, but teams wouldn't. Uh,

789
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: teams wouldn't trade with them. Like nobody traded traded out

790
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: of the top ten. They just old everyone stayed right

791
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: pat with their picks, and so they ended up drafting

792
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: like uh, Kevin Smith, a defensive back and Robert I

793
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: can't think of Roberts last thing. He was a linebacker

794
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: round of East I want East Tennessee State. I think

795
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I was like East Carolina. Who Yeah, I'm just thinking, man,

796
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: because like this is ninety two right, so so so

797
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you know this is like this is prime, this is

798
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 1: prime Dallas. Yeah, I mean can't you can you imagine, man,

799
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, to be like I visited the Cowboys before

800
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the draft, and so I went down there and I

801
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: sat down with Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson and they

802
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: were telling me, like, you know, how they saw me

803
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: fitting into their to their offense and all this stuff.

804
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: And then I went into the locker room and met

805
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: and sat and talk with uh Troy Aitman and Emmett

806
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Smith and Michael Irvin. And that was crazy, Like I mean,

807
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: like these are you know, three dudes that you're just like,

808
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: what like, first of all, I grew up a Cowboy fan,

809
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: and then and to be at the Cowboy facility walking

810
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: through all this stuff and then meeting this you know,

811
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: three headed trio. Yeah fan, he was just like and

812
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: I was just like I couldn't like whatever they said.

813
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I was just like, oh, yes, sir, yes sir,

814
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: because I was just I was in all of them,

815
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I just remember Michael Irvin saying like,

816
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: old man, can you block for like two point seven

817
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: seconds or something like that. He's like, yeah, that's all

818
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: I need. I'm gonna be open at two points seven

819
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: second try of course, you know, And I'm just like, yes, sir,

820
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: yes sir, yes sir, because I was just away by

821
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: so uh so, yeah, I was. I would have been

822
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: excited to be a Cowboy on a bunch of different fronts,

823
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: but also excited that that the Seahawks like held their

824
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: spot because they wanted me too, and so yeah, so

825
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty awesome to have that type

826
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: of thing between the between those three different teams, the Colts,

827
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and the Seahawks, you know, really want like

828
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: really desiring you to be there. You know. It wasn't like, oh,

829
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: we're just gonna take the best available or he just

830
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: happened to be the guy that fell to the board.

831
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Like you felt like you were at the top of

832
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: the board, like you were the guy that they were pursuing. Yeah. Well,

833
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's safe to say that the team because

834
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I know for me and and I would imagine this

835
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: is for all players, you know, at least for most

836
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: of them, you have like a we'll call it like

837
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: a dream team, right, like a team that you want

838
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: to play for growing up. For me, it was the Ravens.

839
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Like I was like, man, I used to when I

840
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: was in college. I used to like lie to like

841
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: like like if I was like, you know, trying to

842
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: hilhight a girl or something in college, and I'll just

843
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: lie and be like I played for the Ravens or something.

844
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Whenever I when I was or like when I was

845
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: playing mad and anytime I created a player myself, I

846
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: normally created myself as a Raven And at the same time,

847
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: I thought during my draft process that team was gonna

848
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: draft me. Also because man, I killed it in the

849
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: combined meetings with the Ravens. Man, I mean they told

850
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: me to. They asked me who my favorite play was

851
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: and then and then they asked me to draw it

852
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: up on the board. I'm talking aboum And I drew

853
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: that thing up like I was off as a coordinator,

854
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I know the game,

855
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, thing like I studied. So was Dallas is

856
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: probably the dream team. Is there a team that you

857
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: probably thought you were gonna go to aside from Seattle? Yeah, obviously,

858
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: I Like, I think Atlanta had the eighth pick. And

859
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: so when I did my pro day, the offensive line

860
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: coach for the Falcons ran the whole thing and so, uh,

861
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, he really saw what I could do, really

862
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: up close and everything and and uh and so we

863
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: had a really good relationship and uh. And so I

864
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: thought that I was gonna go number eight. I thought

865
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the first offensive line and taken

866
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: and uh and still go number eighth to Atlanta, but

867
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: that they ended up taking Bob Whitfield from Stanford and

868
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: so and then I went number two was a tackle, yeah,

869
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: he was a left tackle two, and so we were

870
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: generally considered like the top two tackles in the in

871
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: the country. I had to play to some motivation for

872
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: you a little bit, a little bit. Bob and I

873
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: was so such a great friends though, because we played

874
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: him like all Star games and like the compound together,

875
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: like we were always the last two and every drill

876
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: and everybody's we're always standing next to each other. We've

877
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: always comparing us and like all kinds of stuff, and

878
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: so we just became like really good friends. And so

879
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I was happy for Bob, you know what, I'm standing

880
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: so cool. But I knew that if I didn't go

881
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, that I wasn't going to get past Seattle,

882
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: and so I was I was fine with that, And

883
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: like you, I don't get into you know, some of

884
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: these guys these days, like you put a chip on

885
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: their shoulder because they went number two and not number one,

886
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: and it's just like what, like, dude, you like get

887
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, like you know, like that

888
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: was my biggest dream. It didn't like it really didn't matter.

889
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: It was great that I was a number ten pick,

890
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: and it's great that my hard work paid off and

891
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I was highly rated and all that other kind of stuff.

892
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I made it

893
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: to the freaking NFL. Dude, Like I made it to

894
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: where I wanted to go. Like, this is a dream

895
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: I had. I don't care if I was the first

896
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: pick or missed insignificant in the last pick. You gave

897
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: me a chance to put my cleats on that grass,

898
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna get a chance to show you

899
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: what I can do. And so like that was what

900
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: motivated me, not necessarily like oh, that guy shouldn't have

901
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: got drafted or because if that was the case, there

902
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of other positions before me that that

903
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: should not have gone before me. You know what I'm saying.

904
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: Let alone the off of the tackle with there are

905
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: some other disposition players that uh that uh that I

906
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: didn't think that they're that they were better football players

907
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: than me, and uh, but I was just excited to

908
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: get to the to the NFL. Uh to hear my

909
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: name called on whatever day it was gonna be, and

910
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: then get a chance to you go live out this

911
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: dream well, the years you spend in Seattle. I mean, obviously,

912
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, it weren't the greatest of times, you know

913
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: for the franchise, but some of the worst ever. But

914
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, you you you still did have some pretty

915
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: uh significant teammates, uh, you know on the roster, and

916
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and some of the guys that you had to compete

917
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: with like Cortez Kennedy and Mike Sinclair, Jeff Bryan, Joe

918
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Nash and and and others. Uh, you know, talk about

919
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: what it was like competing against those guys. Well, the

920
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: cool thing was, I felt like I got to the

921
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Seahawks had an interesting time because there was a lot

922
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: of like I mean like old school type dudes leaving

923
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: the team and this kind of more modern type football

924
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: player was coming into the team. And so you were

925
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: like in this really cool to the zone to sit

926
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: and here some old stories about like how you know,

927
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: just how brutal and tough it used to be. And

928
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: then you're also in this this this group of players

929
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: where things are starting to kind of change as relates

930
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: to how you work out and the facilities and all

931
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: these different types of things. And so it was a

932
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: really interesting thing to be able to talk to like

933
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Brian and Joe Nash. You know, I've barred seventy

934
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: two in college. And then I thought, like when I

935
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: got to the Seahawks, like, I'll get you know this,

936
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: whoever this dude, Joe Nash is, I'll just get him

937
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: to give me a jersey, I pay him for it

938
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. And his wife saw my girlfriend before I

939
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: could see Joe at some point and she said, I

940
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: just want you to know, to let Ray know he

941
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: ain't getting him or seventy two. The wife, yeah, yeah.

942
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: And so then when I when I learned that, you know,

943
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: he was part of this kind of diehard group that

944
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: they called to him and Jeff Brian and uh uh

945
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Jacob Greene uh, then I understood his significance to the

946
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: organization and stuff like that. And then it just it

947
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: was just been a disservice to try to some way

948
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: convinced him out of number seventy two. I wish I

949
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: had taken seventy four, but I took seventy three, and

950
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, because I really didn't care at the time,

951
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: but but yeah, it was it was awesome practicing against

952
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: those dudes. Man, they knew like all the little tricks

953
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: they knew the tricks how to set you up to

954
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: to make you think like they're gonna take it easy

955
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: on the play and then they bust it. But and

956
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: then you look like, yeah, I hadn't looking like dang, dude,

957
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: you gave me like the head tap. I thought that.

958
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I thought the head tap meant like like we're chilling out,

959
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: like we brought the law in this thing. So like

960
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: I had to learn like all that kind of stuff. Uh.

961
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: One of the really cool things is, uh, I don't

962
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: know if you ever seen the movie Brian's Song, and

963
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: it was about Brian Piccolo who played for the Chicago Bears,

964
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: and it's the true story. Had cancer was became really

965
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: good friends with Gail Sayers and uh, and then you

966
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: know they were they were just real great friends through

967
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and they did a movie about it.

968
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: And then the movie there's just named Gabe who was

969
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: their office, who's there a coach at the time, and

970
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: big old dude and there's all these videos sometimes you

971
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: watch the old NFL films and he's singing like Jeremiah

972
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: was a bull frog like that he's singing on the sideline.

973
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: But that dude was a friend of Tom Flores when

974
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I came here, and so he would be at every

975
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: single practice and he had had like some like a

976
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: brain tumor or something removed, so he wasn't like great

977
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: at communicating unless you like really sat right with him

978
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: and he just giving me a time. He would watch

979
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: every single thing I did, and then after practice he

980
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: would make me sit down right beside him as you

981
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: going to the facility and this is up in Kirkland,

982
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: and he would just sit there and he coached me

983
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: up on all these different things like, hey, you need

984
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: to get your pad level down, or your feet are

985
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: too close together, you're standing too tall, you run your

986
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: holding your hands too low, like all the other kind

987
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. And so he and I became like great friends.

988
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: And so it was really cool to be connected to

989
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: the league that way because he was a head coach

990
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: for the Chicago Barts at one time, and so so

991
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: this sabit around like that type of stuff. Like I

992
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: always wanted to absorb anything that David Green was talking

993
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: about when he's Russian talking about from the quarterback, you know,

994
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Quartes was Quartett dude like that dude was like that

995
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: dude was like a like a world of his own

996
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like like he was

997
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: a planet on the planet, like, and that's how he

998
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: was with the Seahawks, And so we would have to

999
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: tell him not to practice, like he'd always like one

1000
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: thing people don't understand about tests, like his body may

1001
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: not have looked like it, but this dude could play

1002
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: football all day long, full steam ahead. Because he wouldn't

1003
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: want to take all the scout team reps. He wanted

1004
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: to take all the first team reps. Like he never

1005
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: wanted to take a break. And so every now and

1006
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: then we'd have to go like, dude, you gotta get

1007
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: off the scout team and he's like, what's going on,

1008
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: big ring. I'm like, dude, like we can't run any plays,

1009
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: Like we can't get anything done. What you're over to, dude,

1010
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Like we don't know what the play supposed to look

1011
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: like because you're blowing it up every time. So can

1012
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you like step out for a few players? He said,

1013
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: you know so. So it was really cool, uh, you know,

1014
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: and our culture here even though my first year, dude,

1015
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: we were two and fourteen and our defense is one

1016
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: of the top ten defenses in the league. Our defense

1017
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: was so good the offense was so bad that Sports

1018
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: Illustrated named by defensive coordinator the coach of the Year,

1019
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: like that's how that's how that's how good, that's how

1020
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: good our defense was. But not one time was our

1021
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: defensive finger point. And not sure they were upset, frustrated,

1022
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but they would always you know,

1023
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Paul Morier was a coach at one of the coaches,

1024
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: but they would always be like, man, we're gonna get

1025
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: you the ball back. We're gonna get you guys the

1026
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: ball back. Don't we work about well, get you the

1027
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: ball back? And we just we just didn't have the

1028
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: We didn't have a quarterback, we didn't have the skilled position.

1029
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: We had running back back Chris Warren. We led the

1030
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: AFC at the time when the FC West, we led

1031
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: the FC and rushing Chris Rush over a thousand yards

1032
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl rusher, you know, running back and all that stuff.

1033
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: We just couldn't throw the ball. We didn't have any receivers.

1034
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: We had nobody to throw the ball too, and and

1035
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: then that and really nobody that could throw the ball

1036
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to him, and so uh so we really struggled that

1037
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: way on offense that first year. We I think we

1038
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: averaged eight points a game, which is like, if we

1039
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: had averaged sixteen points a game, we had just doubled

1040
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: that with where our defense was planned, would have made

1041
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: it to the playoffs. Like that's but we just we

1042
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: were just bad. We had like three or four shutout

1043
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: games where we didn't score any points like stuff like that.

1044
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: So it was it was a really tough year coming

1045
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: from Virginia. We had run won a lot of football

1046
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: games and at one point in Virginia where number one

1047
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: in the country for four weeks, like we're always in

1048
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the top ten, top fifteen, and then to come here

1049
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: and then just can't figure out how to win. It

1050
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: was just that was really hard. That was hard. That

1051
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: was the hardest adjustment of all was that first year

1052
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out how do you win a

1053
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: football game in this league? You know, it's it's it's

1054
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough, man, It's tough at the highest level. Man.

1055
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: You mentioned something that was kind of interesting though. I mean,

1056
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, just about your number, you said you wish

1057
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: you would have had seventy four instead of seventy three.

1058
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: Is there any significance to that. When I was at

1059
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: UVA and they would like maybe my jersey was dirty

1060
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: or torn or whatever, and I need to I need

1061
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: a jersey to practice them. They'd always give me number

1062
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: seventy three, and I have bad practices and number seventy three,

1063
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: and so the long coaches like, dude, don't don't wear

1064
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: seventy three, Like don't you tell them to give you

1065
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: any other jersey number? Funny and uh and so. But

1066
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you get to the league, you're like, yeah,

1067
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't get whatever, dude whatever, you know, saying like whatever, judge,

1068
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: they could have gave me freaking sixty three out of ward,

1069
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I don't care,

1070
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: um and so. But just my superstition in me was like, man,

1071
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: maybe I should have taken like seventy four or seventy one,

1072
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: but seventy three is not like the coolest looking number.

1073
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, um. But then when I went to when

1074
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I went to Detroit, I said, hey, I'm coming, but

1075
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean one thing, And they're like, what that I

1076
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: need number seventy two, bro, Like I meaned too, Yeah,

1077
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: well we'll get to Detroit too. We'll get to Detroit

1078
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: here in the second, um, I wanted to touch on

1079
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: something real quick, because you know, you grew up in Asheville,

1080
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: I said, at right, Nashville, North Carolina, small town, I'm assuming, right, yep, um,

1081
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: And you go to college at at Virginia, and then

1082
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you end up on the west coast,

1083
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: the Pacific northwest, up in the corner of the United States.

1084
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Culture shock. I mean, how was that just for you? No,

1085
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: it was real tough man, Like. I had never been

1086
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: past I had never been further west in like Chicago,

1087
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: and so I had no idea of anything past Chicago

1088
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: other than what you see on TV. And you gotta remember,

1089
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: like back then, oh yeah, it was like three or

1090
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: four channels, So it's not like you were saying the

1091
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: whole world on TV and so um. I didn't even

1092
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: leave my state until I was like fourteen, you know

1093
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So like to come to leave. H

1094
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, the first time I left my state was

1095
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen. I went to Chicago for a

1096
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: family union and I was just like whoa, Like they

1097
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: had a huge buildainge and uh and coming out to Seattle,

1098
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what this fact. I couldn't even picture

1099
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: my head where Seattle was like I was thinking, like, man,

1100
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: this right next to Alaska. It's gonna be really cold.

1101
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: And then I felt like, oh, well, it's probably close

1102
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: to California. I can live in California, you know, and

1103
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: like and then my agent was like, well, if you're

1104
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna drive seven teen hours to you can't live in

1105
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: California because you gotta state of Oregon. I'm like, right right,

1106
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: you know. So liked no clue, so when I got

1107
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: out here, I would just like soup. First of all,

1108
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: I was impressive at how clean it was, Like I

1109
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: just there was no you know, trash from the roads,

1110
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, coming from the airport up through Bellevue into

1111
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: Kirkland and all that kind of stuff, and everything was

1112
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: so green. It was beautiful. Um but quite frankly, like

1113
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in a really poor black neighborhood. Um,

1114
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was, you know, you're

1115
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: living in Kirkland, and it's just like wow, Like that's

1116
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: a house. I thought that was an office builder, you know,

1117
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff, you know. And then like

1118
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: this idea of like you people living right on the

1119
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: lake and on the boats and all this stuff. I

1120
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: really didn't know I didn't really know how to respond

1121
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: to it. Like I was kind of in shock of

1122
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: all of it, you know, and and uh and not

1123
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, like even like going to the mall and

1124
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: and just like send just stores and things you've never

1125
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: even heard of, and like you know, all that stuff,

1126
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then aking the trip to

1127
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: drive into the city for the first time, it was

1128
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: like where all these cars come from? Man, Like, you know,

1129
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: like there's just so many cars and people and I'm

1130
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: just like so afraid I'm gonna hit somebody driving into

1131
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: Seattle at the time, and you know, stuff like that,

1132
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and so it was. It was it was a lot

1133
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: of a shock that way, like a real small town

1134
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm from. And then even Charlesville College town is still

1135
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: a small town, you know what I'm saying. And uh

1136
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden come out here and

1137
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: had never had any type of experience like in any

1138
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: type of big city and stuff. Uh, it was definitely

1139
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: a learning experience. And you know, been from you know,

1140
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and we talked a little bit slower and stuff.

1141
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: People I'm just like every time someone talked to me,

1142
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: I thought they were trying to talk me out of something,

1143
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't. I wouldn't if it was if it

1144
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: was something I had to answer yes or no, I

1145
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: just would not answer because I'm just like I don't

1146
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying yes to. I don't know what

1147
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying no to because you're talking too fast, and

1148
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: so I'm just not gonna answer anything. I'm just gonna

1149
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: give you, like, okay, all right, nice to meet you,

1150
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: and then I'm out, you know, saying that's what I

1151
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: was dealing with. But no, Yeah, it was a definite

1152
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: coaching shop. But it always helps you because you you

1153
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: have instant friends on team and talk to a team.

1154
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: You just already had that built in peer peer group.

1155
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: And so Chris Warren, who was the running back here

1156
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: at the time, was actually a running back at UVA

1157
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: and UH and he was there with me for one

1158
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: spring and the dude was like, people don't understand how

1159
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: athletic this dude is, Like, you know, six two two

1160
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: twenty some pounds can run one of the fastest times

1161
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: I've seen in runs like a four to three nine

1162
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: or something like that. Super fast dude, you know, almost

1163
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: forty inch and vertical like when he when I got

1164
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: to Uva. He was coming off of academic probation, and

1165
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: so he has had missed a year, and he was preseason,

1166
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: hadn't played it down in the year. His preseason All

1167
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Conference cornerback, his preseason All conference returner, part returner, his

1168
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: preseason all conference running back. They didn't know where they

1169
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: was gonna put him. They just knew he's gonna be

1170
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: all conference no matter what they put it. You know,

1171
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: that's how that's how athletic was. But then he didn't

1172
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: quite get the GPA they he needed, so they need

1173
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: he had to you know, they booted him out and

1174
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: he ended up going to fair Hum, not not Furman,

1175
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: but fare Um. This Division three school broke all of

1176
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: their records, playing half only one half of each game.

1177
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: The dude was just a man child. Wow. So I've

1178
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: already already knew him from UVA, and so when I

1179
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: got out here, he kind of took me on his arm,

1180
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: and you know, I had a familiar face and all

1181
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and so that was kind of cool.

1182
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: You'll be pretty interesting, who who was your favorite running

1183
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: back that you blocked fort in a moment as well?

1184
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask this question and then we're

1185
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: gonna move on to uh, you know, your decision to

1186
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: go to Detroit and kind of get into your career

1187
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: over there. But you know, everybody has a moment or

1188
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's something that kind of inspires them to say,

1189
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I want to do this or I

1190
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. You know when I when

1191
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: I grew up, So you know, when was that free you?

1192
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: When you decided like, man, I'm gonna do this football thing. Yeah, well,

1193
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, in my neighborhood, there wasn't a whole lot

1194
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: going on, like honestly, like dudes were either getting locked up,

1195
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: shot up, or they were working at like McDonald's or something,

1196
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: and which is nothing wrong with working at McDonald's. But

1197
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: I just didn't see myself as you know, I saw

1198
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: myself doing bigger things than that. And so then I

1199
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: had to figure out how how was I going to

1200
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: get out, How was I going to find another pathway?

1201
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: And the only thing I think about was going to

1202
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: the military, and uh, and then I started thinking, like, man,

1203
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm a big dude. I go to the military, and

1204
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: people shooting like we're about hide, like you know, like

1205
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: bringing six five hid behind the trees. You know, the

1206
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: rocks and all this other kind of stuff like A'm

1207
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: gonna get out of out of the way of these

1208
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: bullets and uh and so then this is the god

1209
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: Donald truth. Man. I had no concept of what it

1210
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: took to get to college to play sports. I just

1211
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: thought that you get to college and you go out

1212
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: for the football tea the same when you do in

1213
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: high school. And so I went to my coach, my

1214
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: high school coach one time, and I said, dude, like,

1215
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I have all these letters from these colleges want me

1216
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: to come play football. We can't afford can't afford to

1217
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: play football there. And he goes, what are you talking about, Ray,

1218
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I got we get all these letters

1219
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: at my house, like from colleges all over the country.

1220
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, bring me those letters. And so I

1221
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: had like these two light trash bags full of letters.

1222
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: I took them in boom. I'm like here they are.

1223
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: And he goes, Ray, like, these people want to give

1224
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: you money to come to play football, Like what are

1225
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's like it's called a scholarship, Like

1226
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: they pay for everything. Like He's like this, this is

1227
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: like this is awesome, Like this is your this is

1228
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: a way to change your life forever, you know, like

1229
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And so I'm thinking to myself because

1230
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: like my dad, I'm raised by my dad. My dad

1231
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you don't get nothing for free. Like

1232
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: some way, somehow, that bill is coming. And so I'm

1233
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: like telling the coach the same thing. I'm like, dude,

1234
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: my dad said, you don't get nothing in this world

1235
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: for free. So they might be paying for it now,

1236
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: but they're gonna send us a bill and we can't

1237
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: afford it. My dad is a dad of the high

1238
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: school and and my mom's a made They maybe make

1239
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars combined for the year. There's no way

1240
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to pay for college. He goes

1241
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: where I'm telling you, like, you don't have to pay

1242
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: it back, Like you don't have to tad it back.

1243
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: It's free, like you get to go for free. Think

1244
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: of it that way. I'm like, all right, well, then

1245
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to convince my dad that's what the

1246
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: truth is, because there's no way, there's no way I'm

1247
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell my dad that he's gonna believe me. And

1248
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: so it took us like a month to convince my

1249
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: dad about what the scholarship thing is and what recruiting

1250
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: is and all that kind of stuff. And so then

1251
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: then as I started taking these trips and started learning

1252
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: about you know, like the you know, the academics in

1253
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: college and how everything works, that's when I realized, like,

1254
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: you know what, like this is what I need. I'd

1255
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: never thought about. I hadn't really thought about the NFL

1256
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: at that point. I just thought about how am I

1257
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna get to a place where I can better my life?

1258
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: And the way I saw to do that once I

1259
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: understood this recruiting thing was to play, was it to

1260
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: get to college on this football thing? And then the

1261
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: other thing I thought about was if I can do it,

1262
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: then it's gonna show other dudes from our community that

1263
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: they can do it. And obviously, like you want to

1264
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: inspire the women too, but at the time, women sports

1265
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: and it's big, and they weren't giving out tons of

1266
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: scholarships and all that kind of stuff. So I was

1267
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out, how do I make it

1268
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: better for myself, change my life forever, but also changed

1269
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: their lives forever by by being an example. That's as

1270
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: far as it went. And so so then when I

1271
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: got to college and um, one of the first times

1272
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: I ever really thought that I could be an NFL

1273
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: player is when I was playing defense and the scouts

1274
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: were there, um watching some of our older players, uh,

1275
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, on defense, and this one scout from the

1276
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and walked past me as I was walking

1277
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: out the field and he said, hey, brother, if you

1278
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing, you'll be the first million

1279
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: dollars defensive vent in the NFL. Because at the time,

1280
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: I think, like Bruce Smith was maybe the highest paid

1281
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: player defensive player defensive van He's making like eight hundred

1282
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year or something like that. And when

1283
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: he said that, that just that changed my whole mindset forever.

1284
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: Like I did it just it planted in my mind

1285
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: that I could get to the NFL and uh and

1286
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: so that stuff put me through offense and defense, but

1287
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: that was those are like pivotal moments and my journey,

1288
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: but then ultimately my journey. My final destination has never

1289
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: been the NFL. My final destination has been to be

1290
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: doing the work that I do now, where I get

1291
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: to inspire other people, create opportunities for other people, give

1292
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: people that don't have voice, help them find their voices

1293
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and speak for them until they do find their voices.

1294
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: Like I've always felt like that's that was my purpose

1295
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: in life, and football was just a you know, the

1296
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: NFL is just another stepping stone to give me to

1297
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: that place because it opens a lot of doors. When

1298
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: you get to say, from an NFL player, then you

1299
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: can jump in they want to talk about football, and

1300
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: you can do that and then be like, you know what,

1301
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: but this is what I want to tell you. You

1302
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm gonna talk to you for

1303
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: football for like ten fifteen minutes, and so are your questions.

1304
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: But then we're gonna talk about what I want to

1305
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: talk about. And then that's how I go about it.

1306
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: And so that's how I kind of crafted my life,

1307
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: you know. Ever since it's just using football as a

1308
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: stepping stone, and so it was never like a like hey,

1309
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: I made it moment. It was like, Okay, this is

1310
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: another step with an important step, but it's just another

1311
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: step up to being who who it is. I really

1312
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: truly wanted to be right the platform. The platform. Yeah,

1313
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: well let's go back a little bit, because you know,

1314
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: you you did your time in Seattle, then you decided

1315
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: to go to Detroit. Um. Well, went into that decision. Well,

1316
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I was a free agent at the time, and my

1317
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: third year, we're playing the Houston Owners. That's how old

1318
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: I am. They're still playing in Houston. And uh. We

1319
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: had this play where the tight end with down block

1320
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: and I pulled around the corner. They tossed the ball

1321
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: to Chris and then we'd have this you know, pulling

1322
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: sweep thing going and the dB at the time went

1323
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: low to take me out. And when he went low

1324
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: to take me out, everybody else fell on top of me,

1325
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: and I dislocated my foot, so my left foot was

1326
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: turned completely backwards and uh and so uh it took

1327
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: me until about halfway through the next season, which would

1328
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: have been my fourth year, to come back from that injury. Uh.

1329
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: And so then the Seahawks at the time, you could

1330
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: do a franchise tag and a transition player tag. And

1331
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: so the franchise tag man that you got like an

1332
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: average of like the top ten people at our top

1333
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: five or ten people at your position, and then the

1334
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: transition tag means you got the average of like the

1335
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: top ten contracts at your position. And so they had

1336
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: the franchise tag and its transition tag, so they had

1337
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: transition tag me, but because I had missed so much

1338
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: time and they didn't think that my ankle was gonna

1339
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: recover and all these different kinds of things, they removed

1340
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: the transition tag and just let me be a free agent.

1341
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: But I still thought I was going to get the

1342
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: sign with the Seahoffs because I just wanted to play

1343
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: my whole career here. But they were, like, I think

1344
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: they thought I was damaged goods and so they didn't

1345
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: want to make an offer, and so I became an

1346
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent, and so I went and visited the Raiders,

1347
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: the Panthers, I think, the Jets, maybe the Titans had

1348
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: they moved to Houston by then forgot. It's like five

1349
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: or six teams that I visited, And then when I

1350
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: went to Detroit, they had Herman Moore who he and

1351
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: I were freshman freshman together at Uva. He just left

1352
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: the year early. So from one class they had we

1353
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: had two top ten picks. He was a tenth pick

1354
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: of the year before I was. They had Don mccowski,

1355
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: who had played at UVA before we got there, quarterback

1356
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: who was a dude that was a Pro Bowl quarterback

1357
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: for the for the Packers got hurt, Brett Farve came

1358
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: in and the rest is history. And then they also

1359
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: had this dude, Greg Jeffries, who played defensive backup Virginia. Uh.

1360
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: And then that year I think they drafted this guy

1361
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison, who was the right tackle at Virginia with

1362
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: me for one year. So there was a bunch of

1363
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: Virginia dude. Yeah, it just felt like home, dude. And

1364
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: I just went and I just asked herman like two

1365
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: or three questions about like your city and the team

1366
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: and the organization, and he's kind of signed off on it.

1367
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I'm coming to Detroit then,

1368
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: And honest to god, I had seen highlights and things

1369
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: of Barry, but hadn't really watched Barry. Like I'd seen him,

1370
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: but I hadn't seen him seen him, you know what

1371
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so when I got there, I'm just like,

1372
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, trying to block for Barry, and I was

1373
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: kept running into him, he cutting things back all the time,

1374
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just like, man, let me just

1375
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna blog him to the whistle blows.

1376
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: And then and then I'll just watch the film what

1377
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: he did? You know what I'm saying, like like that's

1378
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: that's what it was. But now that that was, that

1379
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: was the reason I went to uh went to Detroit.

1380
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: And the thing that's funny about that is, uh, you

1381
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: know John Clayton. John Clayton knows everybody and so like

1382
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: it was like the Detroit lines called me like on

1383
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: a Wednesday night, said hey, man, we love we got

1384
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: a ticket for you if you can just get to

1385
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: the airport first thing in the morning, get out here. Man,

1386
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: we'd love to see you get this contract signed. Da

1387
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: da da da da. I'm like, all right, no problem.

1388
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like like in the middle, like this is like

1389
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: the last thing at night. And before I could even

1390
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: get to the airport on the next one in John

1391
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: Clayton was calling, Hey, heard you go on to Detroit.

1392
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you hear that? Dude? Like we

1393
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: just had a conversation last night, How did you How

1394
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: do you understand all that stuff? And so John Clayton

1395
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: has just been the man forever, like he was the

1396
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: first one to be breaking like all that stuff because

1397
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: you just had all the connections. But but yeah, that's

1398
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: how it ended up in Detroit. It's just because it

1399
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: was just it just felt like family because of all

1400
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: the Virtunia guys there. It wasn't because of Barry Sanders

1401
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: or Wayne Fonts or the city of Detroit. It had

1402
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: everything to do with just the five or six UVA

1403
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: players that are already there. Man, there was a pretty

1404
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: interesting moment during your time at Detroit. You guys are

1405
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: planning against the Steelers and the game, the game goes

1406
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: into overtime, and so, uh, you go out there for

1407
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: the coin toss, which is you know, you were a

1408
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: captain there for four out of the five years Uh

1409
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: that that you were there, And we'll get into that

1410
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: as well. And uh, guess the referee misheard you better,

1411
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: you know. So the problem was that I think he said,

1412
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: tells I can't here. Whatever he said, the referee got

1413
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: it wrong. So it was And what happened was when

1414
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: he was you had to call it in the air

1415
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: at the time, and so he flipped it in the air.

1416
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: Pheel lockett I thing was and the coin was coming

1417
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: back towards him and so he was trying to get

1418
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: out of the weight of the coin as Jerome was

1419
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: calling tales. Yeah, so he was like tails, and then

1420
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: the thing hit the ground and he's like, uh, it's tails,

1421
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: you said heads. And if you ever watched the film again,

1422
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: just watched, I think it was either. I think it's

1423
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: my right hand. I pointed, my hand went up like this.

1424
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: I was about to correct the referee, right, you know,

1425
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: he said. And then I realized that we were going

1426
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: to get the ball, and then I put them and

1427
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: then and then Robert Porchet said we'll take the ball.

1428
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: And when I was running off the field, I was

1429
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: dying laughing like the because I'm like, man, they messed

1430
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: that up so bad. And I almost corrected them, like

1431
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: I was just like just this, it's just in my nature,

1432
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: like oh right, But I was like, no, that would

1433
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: have could that would have caused some controversy right there

1434
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: for sure? And uh. And so I ran right off

1435
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: the field right to our team chaplain and I said,

1436
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, like they got that, they got

1437
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: that call wrong. Should I have said something, you know,

1438
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: because my conscience wasn't feeling good. I hear he was

1439
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: like he's like, you know what, Ray, not your job.

1440
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you, let's go away. That's the perfect

1441
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: answer right there. Oh, man, And then with all this

1442
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: controversy around it, you know, my mom sees the highlight

1443
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: and so then my mom's calling me when I get home,

1444
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: why were you lying on TV. I'm like, Mom, I

1445
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: wasn't lying. I just didn't have anything to say once

1446
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: of my job to say anything. The dude messing got

1447
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: a wrong when you better not be lying, And I'm

1448
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: just like whatever, Mom, like, yeah, we won the football game,

1449
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, everything's given. It's in the it's in the

1450
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: top ten plays. And so I always get people blow

1451
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: me up on social media, and my family blows me

1452
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: up every time. I videotape it every time. I don't

1453
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: know why, but I do. It's kind of cool, and

1454
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: you still get asked about it from time to time,

1455
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: not a whole I was a little messed up mad

1456
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: one time they did like a pizza commercial. I don't

1457
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: want this pizza of someone did a commercial like joking

1458
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: about it and they had they had a drum metus

1459
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: on there. But I'm like, man, I could have like

1460
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: called your boy like I was the other half of that,

1461
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, oh yeah, I could have gave me

1462
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: some some juice on the TV. But I only get

1463
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: asked about it like around that time when it when

1464
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: it when around Thanksgiving and people start talking about it.

1465
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: But I always feel like that's my legacy to the

1466
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: game because now you got to call you call the

1467
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: heads of tails before they toss it, and there's more

1468
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: than one referee out there. There's two referees that Back

1469
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: then there's only one referee that's a head referee. Now

1470
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: they have two referees out there, and you got to

1471
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: call it before they flip it. And so that all

1472
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: was a result of that particular coin toss, right. Right,

1473
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: So you go, you go to Detroit, you become a

1474
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: team captain, and you're the team captain for that team

1475
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: for four out of the five years that you were there. Right, Yeah,

1476
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: When was the first opportunity that you got because Seattle

1477
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: felt like you were a damaged goods? Right? When was

1478
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: that first opportunity to play against Seattle and maybe you know,

1479
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: have that get back game. Yeah, so I think it was.

1480
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: It might have been my first year there. I can't

1481
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: remember first or second. I think it was Mike Holmgren's

1482
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: first year here and we came back to Seattle. Uh, well,

1483
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: let's see it. I think that was the first time

1484
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: came back to because we did play one time in

1485
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: Detroit in Detroit too, but I think it was the

1486
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: first time we came back into Seattle. That's when I

1487
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: told you that the defensive line was loaded bro with

1488
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: you know last week I was telling you on the

1489
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: radio they had Cortez and Sam Adams and Michael Sinclair

1490
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: and Michael McCrary like those news could get after the quarterback.

1491
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like at one point Michael McCarry and Michael

1492
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: Sinclair were chasing each other for the league, the league

1493
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: in sacks, and I'm talking about like like in the teams,

1494
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: like I think I think uh Sinclair ended up leading

1495
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: the league and he had like sixteen sacks or something

1496
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: seventeen sacks. Creyer was like right behind him with like

1497
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen, and so it was it was we're

1498
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: in Old Kingdom too. And so our whole game plan

1499
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: was to just make those two big boys in the

1500
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: middle run in the whole first half, and so we

1501
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: just ran sweep less, sweep right sweep, like making Cortez

1502
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: and Sam had to run sideline and sideline and silent silon,

1503
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: and so we could wear them out and then maybe

1504
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: we can make some yards and uh, and so that's

1505
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of how we how we went about it. But uh,

1506
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: it was it was more like, um, I just wanted

1507
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: to prove I just wanted people to see me playing

1508
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: good football, you know what I'm saying, Because sometimes you

1509
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: get lumped in with everything that was not good about

1510
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: the teams that I was there, and you just think

1511
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,919
Speaker 1: that everybody was terrible. But man, I was playing good football,

1512
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: even though our our offense wasn't you know, wasn't all

1513
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: that good, and you know, we didn't have all the

1514
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: skills stuff like they When little rankings and things would

1515
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: come out, I'd always be liking a top you know,

1516
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: ten or twelve you know tackles and just all tackles

1517
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: right and left tackles. I'd be like in the top

1518
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: ten or twelve in there. So that would make me

1519
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: somewhere in the top you know, eight or so less

1520
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: tackles in the league. And uh, but being on the

1521
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: team that wasn't doing anything, you just don't get a

1522
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: whole lot of recognition that way. So it was just

1523
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: important for me to come back and play good, solid

1524
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: football and Kingdome in front of the fans, because I

1525
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: always came back here after this is where I lived

1526
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: doing all season, So it kind of gave me. I

1527
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to be walking around town and they're like,

1528
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: oh man, we killed So even when you played in Detroit,

1529
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: you kept your home in uh in Seattle. Seattle, yep,

1530
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: came back here every all season, and I still like

1531
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: engaged in like all the community work and you know,

1532
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: did all those types of things. I just love it.

1533
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: I just love it out here, you know. And uh,

1534
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: if I was gonna move anywhere, I was gonna go

1535
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 1: back home to North Carolina. And so that just wasn't,

1536
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, a good move at the time. And so

1537
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: just staying here in Seattle was the best thing to do.

1538
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: And so we would we had a house that we

1539
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: lived in and Detroit and doing the all season, I

1540
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: would rent it out to the players that wanted to

1541
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: stay there for the all season, and I would come

1542
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: back here to Seattle and then and we had a

1543
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: home back here. And so that's kind of how we

1544
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: worked at all. Right. I got to get into it now,

1545
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: Cab been holding off. I've been patient, Okay, I gotta know,

1546
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: because Barry said I grew before they'n a fan. But

1547
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders is my favorite all time player. Never He's

1548
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: the reason why I play running back. Barry I wanted

1549
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: to be Barry Sanders. Okay, when you know when I

1550
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: when I was, when I was growing up, Let's fast

1551
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: forward to uh, you know, let's fast forward to when

1552
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: I was getting recruited out of high school because I

1553
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: was a defensive player as well. It actually had more scholarships,

1554
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: more scholarship offers to play safety, free safety than I

1555
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: did running back. And my high school coach even advised me,

1556
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: he said, Turban, everybody wants to be a running back,

1557
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: you should play free safety. You'll have a longer career.

1558
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: And as a you know, sixteen seventeen year old, you know, teenager,

1559
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, when I think about it now, like

1560
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he was right, maybe, you know, uh, but

1561
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: and I always think about how my career would have

1562
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: been as a free safety because I was really good.

1563
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: I was you know, first team, you know, all league

1564
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff coming out of high

1565
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: school and you know, all that kind of stuff. But

1566
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Barry Sanders. That's who I wanted

1567
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: to be. Like that was like, I guess my idol,

1568
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: the guy that I tried to imitate when I ran

1569
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: the football, and so you know, obviously we know as

1570
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: a player, and you even explained earlier, it's just like

1571
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm just going to block to the whistle because I

1572
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: don't know where this guy is gonna go on any

1573
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: given play. And you know, so we know he's to me,

1574
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: he's the greatest running back of all time. And he

1575
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, he retired early and stuff like that, and

1576
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that as well. But

1577
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: I just want to ask, you know, how was it

1578
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: being teammates with him? How was he not just as

1579
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: a ball player, but just as as a person, as

1580
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, but Barry is a very quiet dude,

1581
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: which is really interesting to send him do all these

1582
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: TV commercials and whether or not he's like man in

1583
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: his own social media page or nine, he still like

1584
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: engages a lot. And uh but back then, this this

1585
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: dude like this just did not sail a whole lot.

1586
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's a good dude. He worked hard, can't

1587
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: put his work indn't didn't say a whole lot. You know,

1588
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: if we rushed for a hundred yards or something, he'd

1589
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: take us taken off of the line out for dinner,

1590
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, he always gives a gift at the end

1591
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: of the season. You know, he's rushed for over a

1592
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: thousand yards stuff like that. But he was kind of

1593
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: a dude that not like a today's superstar that gets

1594
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: all bent out of shape because he's not getting his

1595
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: carries or he thinks they should be doing it a

1596
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: different way, or he wants to have input on who

1597
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: who's on the team, who's off the team. Barry just said,

1598
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: you paid me to be the running back. I'm gonna

1599
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: come and be the running back. Like that's that's what

1600
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: he was. So if he got five carries, okay, that's

1601
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: what you guys wanted to do today. If he got

1602
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: fifty five carries, okay, that's what you guys want to

1603
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: do today. He just stayed just stayed right here all

1604
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: the time, you know, and anybody ever in the league

1605
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: that had capital to say what he wanted to say

1606
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: when he wanted to say it, you know, Barry had

1607
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: to be right up there with one of those dudes

1608
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: just because of who he was and what he had

1609
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: done and what he represented. But he was just never

1610
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: he was just never that guy. And not saying that

1611
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: that's good or bad, but I'm just saying like he

1612
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: just he Barry. If that Barry was planning this time,

1613
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: he'd probably get swallowed up by like the social media

1614
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: stuff because he just wasn't. Just wasn't that dude, you know,

1615
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: And he's not gonna jump out and say, well, I

1616
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: want to say half saying who does what when we

1617
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: do it? This wasn't that guy. As a matter of fact,

1618
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: when the year he rushed for two thousand yards, we

1619
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: had after the first two games we had exactly fifty

1620
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: three yards rushing Barry did. And so the offensive coordinator

1621
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: called myself, another offensive lineman, one of the receivers, Barry

1622
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: a tight end, and he said, hey, like, what do

1623
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: we need to do, you know, to get this thing going?

1624
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: And I just said, look, man, like I don't get

1625
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: paid to do this. I don't. I don't get paid

1626
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: to call the plays. I get to play you the block,

1627
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: and that's what I do. But if you got to

1628
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: ask me, I would get this ball at number twenty

1629
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: until his freaking wheels fell off, like we would need

1630
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: like we would need a thousand auctioning machines on the sideline.

1631
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,520
Speaker 1: That's how much I would give him the ball. He's

1632
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: our best player, and he's he hasn't touched the ball

1633
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: that many times in the first two games. I'm like,

1634
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: so that's all I have to give. Now, whatever those

1635
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: plays are, or when you want to call him, how

1636
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: you want to call him, or you know, the right side,

1637
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: left side, trap zone, whatever it is, pitch scring, whatever

1638
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: it is. Somehow to dude has to get the ball.

1639
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: That's not my job. I'm just since you asked me

1640
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: this question, that's the answer I have for you. And

1641
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,440
Speaker 1: h and then from that point on, we set the

1642
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: consecutive one hundred yard game mark. We rushed fourteen games

1643
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: for over a hundred yards and then rushed for He

1644
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: rushed for exactly two thousand and fifty three yards in

1645
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: fourteen games. He rushed for two thousand yards, which a

1646
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: lot of people always say, well, O J. Simpson rushed

1647
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: for his two thousand yards in fourteen games. So technically

1648
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: we rushed for two thousand yards in fourteen games. And

1649
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,919
Speaker 1: uh and so that was that was pretty awesome. Uh.

1650
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: And that was a type of dude Barry were like,

1651
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: Barry did say one word at me, Like Barrying gonna

1652
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: say like, hey, we should be or shouldn't do or

1653
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: who should or whatever. He didn't say anything. But we

1654
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: had like a dude like Herman that Hermann thought he

1655
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: had to answer to everything. Brent Harryman. Uh, you know

1656
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: Don mccowski. You know, the backup quarterback was drawn up,

1657
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: plays on the board and all this other kind of stuff.

1658
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, I don't get my I'm gonna

1659
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: get an increase and pay if I'm doing all that.

1660
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, like, hand the ball to that

1661
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: that dude that we're number twenty. I'm not here gonna

1662
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: say his name. That's how we referred to him. We

1663
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: never whatever called him like Barry. He would always be like, hey,

1664
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: number twenty, Like y'all gonna it's number twenty in the drill. Yeah,

1665
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: Like the defense would be like, hey, number twenty in

1666
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: the drill, Like nobody touched him, number twenty in the drill,

1667
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, and stuff like that. But uh, but yeah,

1668
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: Barry is a really cool dude, real cool down to

1669
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: the earth, you know, like, uh was really quiet. Uh.

1670
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: It's good to see him, like, you know, stepping out

1671
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: of his conference one these last you know, since he's

1672
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: retired and like really letting people get to knowing and

1673
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: see what he is. But uh, I couldn't imagine. As

1674
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: much as I love Chris, because Chris Warner will always

1675
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: be my guy, I just couldn't imagine block for anybody else.

1676
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude was just classy. Dude, score touchdown,

1677
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: don't He didn't celebrate or anything. But I don't care

1678
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: if you do or not. But I just thought it

1679
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: was cool that he didn't. And like one time we

1680
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: were giving him a hard time because he got caught

1681
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: from behind and uh, and so he took off on

1682
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: this one run and it's like fifty sixty yard touchdown

1683
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: run and when he crossed the end zone, the go

1684
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Speaker 1: on he just kind of pumped his fist like this,

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01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: and we replayed it about fifty times, and he ain't

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: very celebrated, look like very celebrated. Its like maybe two

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01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: inches you know in the ball to the referee earning

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: walked to the sideline. That's that was score, give you

1689
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: the ball and I'm going to the sideline. Yeah, but

1690
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: now it's a great block for that dude. Yeah, no,

1691
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: I've got it. So, you know, like I said, buries

1692
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: my idol. So whenever I would score, I was the

1693
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: same way high school college get the ball to the

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: ref And then when I got to the league. You know,

1695
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: my cousin was just over it. He's okay, okay, Turboy,

1696
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: I get it, man, but you gotta give me something. Okay,

1697
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: this is entertainment. Now, remember Barry spiking the ball, Like

1698
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: he wouldn't even like spike the ball or nothing like.

1699
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: He just han't banded right to the referee. And the

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: other thing about that though, his dad was always on

1701
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: the sideline alright, cool Like if you ever watched the

1702
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: old school movie Chef, he had to like chaff. He

1703
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: had a long level coat on that little ground like

1704
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: this is a guy. This is no joke, Turbo. If

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: you had a bad block and Barry got blocked to

1706
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: the attacking it back in the backfield of something, you

1707
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: come run out the field. You do not look at

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01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: missus Sanders at all, just right, like you look at

1709
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: the ground or you look up at the sky. Knew

1710
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: that you not look at missus Sanders, because man, his

1711
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: stare would freaking break you down, bro, Like like, oh, bro,

1712
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: that's my son, like like you're supposed to protect him, man,

1713
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: like it just got tacking in the backfield, like you know,

1714
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: so missus Missus Sanders was always on the side like

1715
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny. Well, I want to finish

1716
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: with this, man. You know, I had some other things

1717
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: in my notes. Obviously you're doing a Seahawks broadcast. Now.

1718
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: You coached at Lake Washington for a little bit, man,

1719
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: and you know you decided kind of coaching just kind

1720
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: of wasn't your thing. You know, you like doing the

1721
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: the media stuff. Um. You know, man, I'm sure you've

1722
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: been a part of You played against a lot of

1723
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: big time trash talkers, uh and things like that. But

1724
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about because you mentioned you

1725
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: always lived in Seattle, even when you went to Detroit

1726
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: you finish your career, you always spent your off seasons

1727
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: in Seattle. You still live here now. You talked about

1728
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: doing things in the community. Uh, and so you're the

1729
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: director of uh, you know, Unified Champion Schools and Urban

1730
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Development with Special Needs and so, UH talk a little

1731
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: bit about that, how you got into that and why

1732
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: why it means so much to you to be a

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01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: part of this community. Yeah. Well, for one thing, part,

1734
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: I've always had this dream of having my own school,

1735
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't want it to be I didn't want

1736
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: to call it a school for at risk kids, because

1737
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: at risk is such a the answer to that as

1738
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: always negative, and so I always say, like, at risk

1739
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: have been great, at risk has been awesome, at risk

1740
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: had been a millionaire. At risk it like, I hate

1741
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: the at risk thing because there's a negative connotation to people.

1742
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: So I always wanted to I wanted to create a

1743
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: school that just taught differently, that like some people learn differently,

1744
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: and so this I wanted to have a school that

1745
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of did that. And so that's kind of why

1746
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: I went into coaching, because then I had these kids

1747
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: for three hours a day, and my classrooms a football field,

1748
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: and so it was more than It's always been more

1749
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: than football to me. So I've coached at Lake High

1750
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: School here and I coached like Washington, and for me,

1751
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: it was always bigger than football, Like we can win

1752
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: some games, great, if we don't win some games, we're

1753
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: gonna win life, you know what I'm saying. Guarantee you

1754
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: were gonna win life, you know what I'm saying. And

1755
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: so that has always been my approach to it. Well,

1756
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: then I got this opportunity to work for Special Olympics,

1757
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: and what that did was it made my classroom bigger.

1758
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,520
Speaker 1: So now my classroom is every state in the country,

1759
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: every school in the country. Every kid that's in those

1760
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: schools are my students. And so this this idea of

1761
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: having a school like like brick and mortar didn't come

1762
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: to pass, but the idea of having a school came

1763
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: to pass. And so I get to like, you know,

1764
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 1: bring resources and strategies and and things to these schools

1765
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: into these communities that make a difference in their lives,

1766
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: that give them a chance. They give them, these these

1767
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: students with latch the disabilities, a chance to have a life,

1768
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: to be successful life, to have friends, to graduate from

1769
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: high school, to participate in sports, to win awards, uh,

1770
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, to go to like national and world competitions.

1771
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: And so you changed the tra directory of their lives.

1772
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: And that changed the directory of the family's life, which

1773
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: can also change the trajectory of that community. And so

1774
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: when you think about it, it's a heck of a

1775
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: teaching job to have, you know. And so that's the way,

1776
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: that's the way I look at it. I feel like

1777
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: this is the purpose that I'm on this earth is

1778
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: to do this type of work. Like it wasn't to

1779
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: play football. It wasn't entertained hundreds of thousands of people

1780
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: on TV. It wasn't the block for Barry Sanders or

1781
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: Chris Warren or Rick Meyer or Scott Mitchell or Charlie Batcher.

1782
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: And it was dudes, it was to do this work

1783
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: that I'm doing now. And this is this is like

1784
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: life changing work. It uses every ounce of me more

1785
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: than football ever did, because it uses my physical self

1786
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 1: to use my intellectual self, uses my emotional self, using

1787
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: my intelligence, like all of that kind of stuff is

1788
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: activated in this work. And so when you go to

1789
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: sleep at the end of the day, like you know

1790
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: that you've put in a good day's work to make

1791
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: at least one person's life better. And that's what life

1792
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: should all be about. Right, So we're all if we

1793
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: could all go to bed at night and know that

1794
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: because of something we did today, somebody else's life is better, Uh,

1795
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 1: then our world would be different. The way we respond

1796
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: to things would be different. That the desire to to

1797
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: celebrate difference and the way that we lift up each

1798
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: other would be different, you know what I'm saying. Like

1799
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: if the outcomes would be different, their approach to it

1800
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: with different, the energy around it would be different, and

1801
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: so you can't do this type of work that I

1802
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: do and not be touched that way. And so it's

1803
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: the type of work I can see myself doing for

1804
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Uh. And it's the type

1805
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: of work I would have done even if I wasn't

1806
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: being paid for it, because I feel like that's what

1807
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: I was born to do. Like I felt like that

1808
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: God put me on this earth with the gifts and

1809
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: talents that I have to do this work to impact

1810
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: those people. And uh. And so that's why I get

1811
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: so excited about it. I'm glad you gave me a

1812
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it here at the end. UH.

1813
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: And if you know whoever's listening to this, if you're

1814
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: in the state of Washington or not, you know, find

1815
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: your local Special Olympics organization. There's always volunteer opportunities, ways

1816
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: to give where the donate, ways to donate, you can coach,

1817
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: you can help set up and break down events, all

1818
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: these different kinds. You can create experiences for the athletes,

1819
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: all those types of things. Volunteer with your jobs, everything,

1820
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: anything that you can think of. Reach out to your

1821
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: local Special Olympics program and then and get involved that

1822
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: way because we need to help, and we and promise

1823
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: you it will change your life forever by being engaged

1824
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: with it. Man, powerful powerful stuff. Man. Always a big

1825
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: time deal when you can make a difference in other

1826
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: people's life in a positive way, especially for those who

1827
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: may be a little bit less fortunate. Man, Big Gray,

1828
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: Uncle Ray, you know what I'm saying. Number seventy two,

1829
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: We appreciate, we appreciate you being on the show today. Man,

1830
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Thanks to all the listeners for listening

1831
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: to this episode. Can't wait to be back for episode

1832
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: number five. And we'll let you know who we guys

1833
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, even if you want to do it

1834
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: part two, I'm down for that. Part two. Part two,

1835
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: we do part two. That's gonna be venue, well's call

1836
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 1: it that. That'll be in venue. We don't know exactly

1837
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be yet, hopefully somewhere in uh, you know,

1838
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: nice bit somewhere downtown Seattle. Man, when we can, you know,

1839
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,919
Speaker 1: have a have a crowd and bring in the fans

1840
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: and you know sort of like uh, sort of like uh,

1841
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: what's his name, David Letterman that he's doing on Netflix

1842
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: right now, the next guest, you know, something like that. Man,

1843
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: so really appreciate you guys. Uh, don't hit it, don't

1844
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: forget to hit that subscribe button as we continue to

1845
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: have more episodes, So everybody take care, much love. He's